Re: [CGUYS] welcome to thunderbird
On Aug 25, 2011, at 12:00 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: These examples are the best reasons to NEVER buy software at an app store where it's automatically installed, overwriting the last version. The worst bugs are always in the automatic installs, and they're harder to clean up, too. Even most non-App Store apps don't automatically update themselves. For the most part, they tell me that an update is available and give me the option of upgrading immediately or postponing the update. I think that the point was that the app store automatically INSTALLED the update, thereby overwriting the version being updated, not that the app store automatically UPDATED the application without input from the end user. I absolutely prefer to download an updated version of any application and install it alongside the older version. That allows me to test the new version to ensure it works properly before I consider deleting the older one. That approach has saved me considerable grief and a lot of time on a number of occasions. Steve I want to have a backup of the INSTALLER, not the backup of the program. Without the installer, vital files could be missing. The online installer will overwrite what I have without giving me the choice not to do that -- Apple has done this for years, BUT they used to give a choice of downloading an installer instead of online only. I don't want to waste time digging through a series of backups, delving into the invisible system files to find all the pieces to recover, when a decent company would simply provide an installer for their software. I can even download Android and Symbian software without having it installed automatically, overwriting my files. At least Mozilla gives us software installers--and Bugzilla. What's wrong with Apple? Steve Jobs should have retired a long time ago and taken his sadistic narrow micromanagement style with him. Without the software installer, we're also at the whim of our ISP which hasn't treated us very well lately; connection has the hiccups, and calling them doesn't do any good. They blame it on our computers, even though the odds that all of our many computers will have exactly the same glitch at the same time are almost nil. Will call them and try again. Internet providers' flaky service can make a horrible product [Mac App Store online installations] even worse. Such is the pleasure of country living! Betty *** ** THIS LIST HAS MOVED TO YAHOO** ** PLEASE JOIN THE DISCUSSION THERE ** ** Info at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ***
Re: [CGUYS] welcome to thunderbird
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:47 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: What's wrong with Apple? Steve Jobs should have retired a long time ago and taken his sadistic narrow micromanagement style with him. It is my thought that Apple wants to go with program installations on-line as opposed to having the user employ a downloaded installer because Apple has decided to design their devices to satisfy the needs of the lowest common denominator as far as users of their devices is concerned. Apple thinks that their users are, to a great degree it seems, a bunch of dumb asses in terms of relating to digital devices. Apple could well be correct in that assessment, at least as far as iOS device users go. It seems to me as though Apple is headed in the direction of making most of their devices suitable for easy use and equally attractive for anyone from toddlers up to the elderly. Steve *** ** THIS LIST HAS MOVED TO YAHOO** ** PLEASE JOIN THE DISCUSSION THERE ** ** Info at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ***
Re: [CGUYS] welcome to thunderbird
What's wrong with Apple? Steve Jobs should have retired a long time ago and taken his sadistic narrow micromanagement style with him. It is my thought that Apple wants to go with program installations on-line as opposed to having the user employ a downloaded installer because Apple has decided to design their devices to satisfy the needs of the lowest common denominator as far as users of their devices is concerned. Apple thinks that their users are, to a great degree it seems, a bunch of dumb asses in terms of relating to digital devices. Apple could well be correct in that assessment, at least as far as iOS device users go. It seems to me as though Apple is headed in the direction of making most of their devices suitable for easy use and equally attractive for anyone from toddlers up to the elderly. Apple is also making their devices much less attractive for professionals who make a living with their computers and peripheral devices. It started with sealed computers, iPods and phones. What has always been a relatively simple process to change a battery or swap out a drive has become complicated to the point that we need special proprietary tools to open our devices to perform basic upgrades and repairs. We work on our own computers. We don't have time to send them out or wait for a tech to arrive. We have deadlines. The last straws are twofold. First, they broke Final Cut Pro, a very expensive downgrade/upgrade. Now they insist on installing the OS instead of permitting the user to do a very basic function. Was it REALLY necessary to discontinue Rosetta? When I finally downgrade to OS 10.7, it will cost me well over $1000 to upgrade all the important software that the new OS breaks, and more money to replace hardware that stops working--like my printer and scanner, perhaps even the interface with my camera. I like the OS, except 10.7, but the company is getting worse by the minute. The least that Apple can do is to admit that there are pros and basic consumers, and to treat them differently, treat them with respect. Have you ever tried to unlock a version 1, 2, or 3 iPhone? Apple refuses to do what every other phone manufacturers does routinely. Have you seen the odd screws they use on iPhone 4 and their notebooks? Why is my iPod touch glued together??? Apple doesn't respect its customers, no matter their levels of expertise. Betty *** ** THIS LIST HAS MOVED TO YAHOO** ** PLEASE JOIN THE DISCUSSION THERE ** ** Info at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ***
