Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
I'm sure you can use the google as well as anyone. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Really? Where's your proof of that? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 1:34 PM, mike wrote: The UK and Canada are moving away from socialized medicine, not towards it. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I see no conflicts having socialized programs in a capitalist country. As a matter of fact I believe the world is moving in the direction. Marcio -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Sent: Sep 6, 2009 3:52 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit... Everyone shots themselves in the foot sometimes. Sometimes better than others. The government is not perfect but neither are we. Capitalism is not perfect either. There are some things better handle under the capitalist strategy and other things not. Stewart At 10:15 AM 9/6/2009, you wrote: This is standard wing-nut strategy to make government look bad. Of course. The guvmint never does anything to look bad. It's all a vast, right-wing conspiracy to undermine their natural efficiency. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Search youtube for obama single payer, should be the first hit posted by nakedemporer. I'd post the link but I still can't copy/paste. Sent from my iPod On Sep 6, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: No, you don't. The single payer plan, which is an option. No where have I seen it written or said by it's proponents that it would be required of everyone. It wouldn't be taken out of your paycheck automatically without your consent like social security or other taxes. What is so friggen hard to understand about this? If it passes and you want it, ask for it. If you don't, then don't. I know simple things are very hard for some, but damn. Maybe if the government passed it and made it really difficult to get and understand? Maybe then it would be more popular. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 6, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Why do so many believe this health OPTION would be forced on them? What part of the word OPTION do these people not understand? Do I need to point you to videos of Obama advocating a single payer plan or to the current proponents who have proposed the same over the years? This is a stalking horse for single payer. I don't trust the govt. to keep it's word. *** *** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** *** *** *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Variable Weight Typefaces?
Not ignoring what you write yourself would be just fine. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:01 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 4, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Mike wrote: As I said I was going by what you wrote...I should know better if I want clarity. Oh yes, we have that reading proficiency problem. I will endeavor to use simpler words. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Minions Rush to the Ramparts
Those were your deep conclusions not theirs. I can't help if you can't even read the links you post. Sent from my iPod On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:44 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:20 PM Sep 3, Mike wrote: Might want to actually read the link you posted, it gave fairly detailed and valid reasons for not switching. Unless no application support on the mac for the companies main business isn't validi suppose they could change what they do for a living to fit into the mac mold instead of using the best tool for the job. We made poor choices and painted ourselves into a corner is not a valid excuse. We are too lazy to learn new software is not a valid excuse. Our users are stupid is probably just projection. Doesn't support our 034 keypunches isn't a valid excuse either. This was sorry bunch of underachievers. Also interesting how quickly they were able to come to these deep conclusions. Unless they had lined up at the Apple Store there is no way they could have examined the software before making their pronouncements. Of course if you were to ask these bozos about a M$ OS that has not yet shipped I'm sure they would tell you how wonderful it is. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Variable Weight Typefaces?
As I said I was going by what you wrote...I should know better if I want clarity. Sent from my iPod On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:54 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:22 PM Sep 3, Mike wrote: Sorry, i went by what you wrote in your post, next time I won't just take your word for it. Bad MS, bad. Sometimes good (e.g. mice). Usually not (e.g. Vista). Why are you so afraid to see things clearly? *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
I used to make delivers in a van from the main PO here to a credit processing center around 12-2am. I had nights when staying awake was very hard and other nights when I was fine. A couple of times when I wasn't tired I found myself 6 or 7 miles from the last turn off without having any memory of passing the half a dozen off ramps between. Zero memory. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: There are some days when I get to the office or to somewhere I was going to travel that I simply cannot remember the trip! It is semi automatic driving. We are all guilty of it. Cruel joke but at least he listened to the directions! :-) Last year I was going to a Kiwanis club convention in state and I drove with a few other members. I had my GPS up as I was going to an area I was not familiar with. It was hilarious to hear one of the members argue with the GPS every now and then as we drove. If I had not driven with him before I would not have been amused, but he has a Chrysler Van that has it built in and he does it with that all the time. I will be honest I use them usually on long trips so when I get off the interstate at an interchange I am not familiar with it gets me back on without getting lost. (It has been known to happen!) Stewart At 11:24 AM 9/4/2009, you wrote: Someone (not me) came to work very tired last Monday morning. They had made a long trip. Halfway back to home someone had fiddled with the GPS and the infernal machine started giving them directions back to where they had started the day. They dutifully followed directions. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS
I've heard this all my life, but I've never met a guy who refused or didn't like asking for directions. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:32 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I will be honest I use them usually on long trips so when I get off the interstate at an interchange I am not familiar with it gets me back on without getting lost. (It has been known to happen!) Back before GPS was available, were you one of those typical males who would be reluctant to consult a map out of fear of revealing a lack of complete knowledge, or worse yet, refuse to ask for directions from any of the locals when in the presence of others? Many men used to consider having to refer to any form of reference material while driving to be a sign of a lack of manhood, yet many of those same men now insist on having that GPS unit up and running all the time. What is it that changed for them? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Not every cloud has a silver lining
The main attraction for companies is always to make money from you. If they offer you a service worth that charge... On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:42 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: ob·fus·cate * Synonyms: baffle, becloud, befuddle, bewilder, *cloud*, complicate, conceal, confound, darken, fog --- _Not every cloud has a silver lining_ There's something you won't see mentioned by too many advocates of cloud computing – the main attraction is making money from you * Cory Doctorow * guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 2 September 2009 18.00 BST The tech press is full of people who want to tell you how completely awesome life is going to be when everything moves to the cloud – that is, when all your important storage, processing and other needs are handled by vast, professionally managed data-centres. Here's something you won't see mentioned, though: the main attraction of the cloud to investors and entrepreneurs is the idea of making money from you, on a recurring, perpetual basis, for something you currently get for a flat rate or for free without having to give up the money or privacy that cloud companies hope to leverage into fortunes... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/02/cory-doctorow-cloud-computing * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
Do you cover your eyes and ears when you say that? On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: katan wrote: On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:50:30 -0400, t.piwowar wrote: America has its Dick Cheney. CGUYS has Chris Dunford. Ever notice how The List can have a pleasant conversation, or even a lively debate. . .until Tom joins in? No. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Clueful Review of World's Greatest OS
Thank you MFB. Apparently the bait was for you. Perhaps next time we hear the same blather from Tom about windows reviews we might hear a peep of protest from you? No? Shocked I am. I hear a Tammy Wynette tune playing in the background.. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: John Siracusa has been writing knowledgably for Ars technica for some years now. Ars technica writes about many technical and gaming topics, including Apple, Microsoft, IBM, etc. Mike, your question shows either a lame attempt at baiting Tom, or more than a little ignorance. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message Is the author a paid shill or was this a freebie for Apple? Sent from my iPod On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:52 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Very long, very detailed review of the World's Greatest OS. http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Clueful Review of World's Greatest OS
I don't need to read it, I've used snow cat, it's a great solid OS. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: So far you've proved you can write snarky bait, but no evidence yet you can read, Mikey. Here's a more WFB-centric article for you: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/02/snow_leopard_versus_windows_7/ Report back promptly and show us your reading and comprehensive skills! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Thank you MFB. Apparently the bait was for you. Perhaps next time we hear the same blather from Tom about windows reviews we might hear a peep of protest from you? No? Shocked I am. I hear a Tammy Wynette tune playing in the background.. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Variable Weight Typefaces?
So you mean to say it was killed by Adobe and M$. On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 2:27 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: Many moons ago, Adobe was promising multiple masters typefaces that had continuously variable weighting (or a large number of small increments, not just regular and bold weighting). I never saw it come to fruition. Are there any typefaces available for purchase / use with variable weighting? TT as well as PS? TT preferred, I guess. (Maybe high end Adobe products come with multiple masters? But I don't see the term used in advertising.) MM was killed by M$. When Adobe and M$ got together to compromise on the Open Type format Adobe was told to knife the baby. A real shame. The ability to make small adjustments in type weight or width was a powerful design tool. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Minions Rush to the Ramparts
Might want to actually read the link you posted, it gave fairly detailed and valid reasons for not switching. Unless no application support on the mac for the companies main business isn't validi suppose they could change what they do for a living to fit into the mac mold instead of using the best tool for the job. Sent from my iPod On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:06 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Snow Leopard fails to convince CIOs to adopt more Macs http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=2803tag=nl.e101 The basic drift is CIOs don't know much about computers beyond what M$ sales tell them. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Variable Weight Typefaces?
Sorry, i went by what you wrote in your post, next time I won't just take your word for it. Bad MS, bad. Sent from my iPod On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:41 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 3, 2009, at 5:46 PM, mike wrote: So you mean to say it was killed by Adobe and M$. Do you think Adobe would have given up on a revolutionary and innovative technology of their own invention without strong arm twisting? But then some people will believe anything M$ tells them to believe: Vista is double plus good, etc. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Clueful Review of World's Greatest OS
Is the author a paid shill or was this a freebie for Apple? Sent from my iPod On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:52 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Very long, very detailed review of the World's Greatest OS. http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
This isn't logical on it's face, this says that our useless congress and senate have spent decades unmaking laws...we know this to not be true. There are regulations in the thousands more then there were years ago. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Bill Wajert wrote: To put it straight we have not been the Land of the Free for decades. We have become the Land of the Regulated. We've had 8 years, really many more since it started before Reagan, of tearing down regulations. It doesn't work.(like we didn't already know that) Look where we are now. We need freedom for people, not freedom of corporations to take advantage of people. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What really happens to the computers we recycle?
Oddly MFB's have the same psychological issue. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:12 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 11:40 AM Sep 1, Jordan wrote: We've had 8 years, really many more since it started before Reagan, of tearing down regulations. It doesn't work.(like we didn't already know that) Look where we are now. We need freedom for people, not freedom of corporations to take advantage of people. Criminals usually think they are in the right and it is the cops who have it all wrong. Just look at Dick Cheney's latest pronouncements. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...
It could be a field goal but with your glasses you won't see anything anyway. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:01 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 1, 2009, at 10:06 AM Sep 1, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Depends on what he is comfortable with. I just wiped a drive this a.m. and reinstalled M$'s latest good OS: Win XP. Why provide Apple with more fodder for its commercials? M$ is making its usual promises for the next OS, but I suspect it will be just another episode of Charlie Brown trying to kick that football, * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Glenn Beck [was: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest ...]
I don't watch these guys (by these guys I mean beck or olbermann etc), I've watched olbermann and his lies are easy to spot, what has beck lied about? On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:10 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Chris Dunfordseed...@gmail.com wrote: This is entirely uncalled for and wholly inappropriate. As is just about anything that Glenn Beck says. Sponsors agree, and that is why they are canceling their contracts with his show on Fox. Hopefully, the guy will soon be off the air and relegated to having an internet-only presence...if even that. I do not mind opinions, but outright untruths is another matter. His modus operandi is to only utter what he knows his faithful followers want to hear. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
No, I mean what is acceptable for Apple or any other OS vendor to tell you your hardware is too old you have to spend money again. I find it ironic that some of the MFBs have touted the low price of snow cat evading the fact that apple is a hardware company, not a software one..and also not mentioning that anyone with a machine older then 4 years can't run it. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Depends on what you use the computer for and your budget. Generally every three to five years is common. Some high end professionals replace their computers in two to three, some more often. My company replaces laptops every three years. Some home users keep them much longer, but they become less useful as things change, such as faster interfaces. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- What is an acceptable time frame for leaving hardware behind? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Hooey? And then you go and make my point and not even notice. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Hooey. My two Macs are both over four years old. The older one runs 10.3.9, the other runs 10.5. No plans to upgrade further until I decide to replace the older computer. My closet computer, a 12-13 year old model, still runs OS 9 and works fine. The cut-off for 10.6 is based on CPU; it requires a Mac with an Intel processor. Mac OS 10.5 has a relatively modest minimum CPU speed. Apple will support 10.5 until they release 10.7. Where is Apple telling me my computer is too old? Apple is trying to tempt me to buy a newer model, not telling me I _must_ buy the newest anything. That is a M$ model. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No, I mean what is acceptable for Apple or any other OS vendor to tell you your hardware is too old you have to spend money again. I find it ironic that some of the MFBs have touted the low price of snow cat evading the fact that apple is a hardware company, not a software one..and also not mentioning that anyone with a machine older then 4 years can't run it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
What is an acceptable time frame for leaving hardware behind? On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 5:32 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: It is called a forced Hardware Upgrade This happens with MS releases also, although they do go further back than Apple does. I still have an old laptop that I could not install ME on as it was not a fast enough processor (I am not sure it would even install 98SE.) I have a couple of machines at home that will not take 7 as they are below the 1 GB processor threshold. Apple and MS both do this to make sure people do not complain that it makes their systems run like a dog not realizing that the hardware was never designed for it to begin with. Stewart I have no problem with older to ancient hardware not being able to run modern operating systems that is what LINUX is for. I can't see many sane people complaining that they can't run WIN7 on an old 386. My old HP Pavillion is going on 5 years old and barely runs WIN7 but most of the real problems seem to be running iTunes which soaks up all the processor time it can get on this box. It ran just as slowly on XP. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Google-Bashing Dirty Tricks
I thought it was sold to WebMD and at the time MS was only rumored to be tied to WebMD? I know healtheon merged with wmd... On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: I think I've mentioned it before, but you aught to read a book called The New New. Sorry, can't remember the author. But you get the idea that these collusion's by competitors you speak of were brought on by MS's actions themselves. The book mainly centers around Jim Clark and Netscape and his new start up at the time, Healtheon. Even though Netscape won the fight, so to speak, Jim Clark wasn't going through that crap again. So he created Healtheon, took it public and the stock value went through the roof. He immediately turned around and sold it to MS. I thought it was a great way to in a sense flip MS the bird. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: This is textbook Microsoft, the source adds. Microsoft has got some of the best, highest-priced lobbyists that money can buy in Washington. Textbook? Hardly. MS didn't have any lobbyists until they were sued by the DOJ in the 90's in collusion with MS competitors whose lobbyists were deep in the system. Now MS plays the game. Congrats. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
I just read in one of the reviews that you can do a full install with this update dvd. One of the advantages of your business being hardware, it makes the licensing of the software much less strict. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: I've read discussion of what you can update with the $30 version of Snow Leopard, but I have a specific question that I'm not sure about and have not seen anything written about. This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow? Anyone know how that works? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
*However, in contrast to Microsoft—which offers a confusing array of full and upgrade versions of Windows, all of them requiring that users enter a unique serial number in order to prove they’re not pirates—Apple continues to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not require the entry of any serial numbers, but the standard version of Snow Leopard is a bootable “full install” disc that doesn’t actually check for the presence of Leopard in order to install. This also means that if, at a later time, you want to wipe your hard drive and reinstall Snow Leopard, you won’t have to first install Leopard and then run a separate Snow Leopard upgrade on top of it. (That sound you hear is a thousand IT managers sighing with relief.)* That's from the macworld review, Tom linked...apparently never read it, just linked it since it was from a known MFB site. Seems they are saying, no indeed, you do not need leopard to install to me. Unless I'm reading it wrong. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jordan wrote: This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow? The installer is an upgrade so it needs to see a previous OS, Leopard, or some people say Tiger works too. Reports are that it will work if you show it an older OS on an external drive and will then install a clean OS on the internal drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
...you do not need leopard to install to snow cat rather. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:14 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: *However, in contrast to Microsoft—which offers a confusing array of full and upgrade versions of Windows, all of them requiring that users enter a unique serial number in order to prove they’re not pirates—Apple continues to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not require the entry of any serial numbers, but the standard version of Snow Leopard is a bootable “full install” disc that doesn’t actually check for the presence of Leopard in order to install. This also means that if, at a later time, you want to wipe your hard drive and reinstall Snow Leopard, you won’t have to first install Leopard and then run a separate Snow Leopard upgrade on top of it. (That sound you hear is a thousand IT managers sighing with relief.)* That's from the macworld review, Tom linked...apparently never read it, just linked it since it was from a known MFB site. Seems they are saying, no indeed, you do not need leopard to install to me. Unless I'm reading it wrong. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:59 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Jordan wrote: This notebook has Leopard, but I did a migration from My iMac when I got it. I'm thinking of getting a fresh start with this hard drive with a clean custom install. So is the $30 version of Snow Leopard a complete OS, or would I have to install Leopard and then Snow? The installer is an upgrade so it needs to see a previous OS, Leopard, or some people say Tiger works too. Reports are that it will work if you show it an older OS on an external drive and will then install a clean OS on the internal drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Leopard Review
Again Tom misses the point completely. On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:14 PM, mike wrote: Apple continues to rely on the honor system for Mac OS X. Not only does Snow Leopard not require the entry of any serial numbers... We leave the thieving, lying, cheating to our WFBs. Have you seen the latest ad/demo of Mac's moral superiority? http://movies.apple.com/media/us/mac/getamac/2009/apple-mvp-surprise- us-20090824_480x272.mov * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: Will SL Finally FTFF?
Are these things difficult in the finder now? On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:33 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: If your issues are with moving large numbers of files or putting trashed items back in their original places, then these have supposedly been fixed. I'll find out for myself in just a little bit. From:t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com Reviewing Apple's tech notes I'm seeing many small changes and improvements that I think will make Mac users far happier than flashy new features. This may be the upgrade that finally fixes the Finder. The Finder has been completely rewritten using the modern Cocoa framework in Mac OS X, taking advantage of the new technologies in Snow Leopard--including 64-bit support and Grand Central Dispatch. The familiar Finder interface is unchanged, but you will discover the Finder is faster and more responsive. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3737 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] snow cat wiki compatibility list
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/ Looks pretty good for most apps... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] taking control
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html Looks like it's not just those neomicrosofticons that some are afraid of here that have desires of total control. Doesn't seem to make a difference who is in the whitehouse...those warrant less wiretaps continued unabated and now this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Firefox 3.5.2
I have 3.5.2 installed on a PC running XP, and, when it works, it works fine. But every so often it just stops and sits there with an hourglass icon for a minute or more. I can do other things on the PC, and there don't appear to be any other processes running that would cause a delay in the system. Very frustrating. But I have another unrelated(?) problem: I have tried every suggestion in the various help forums, but I cannot assign a application to file type - every time that want to open, for instance, a .wmv file, it asks what application I want to use. I find the application, click on the box marked use this application every time, and it still asks the next time. I also cannot change the settings to open a new tab automatically when click on a URL in another application (i.e. mail). It just opens the URL in whatever tab is open at the time. (Yes, I have gone to the tools menu and made all the changes, but they have been ignored - it is as if the ability to change the various options have all been locked out.) I am afraid that my only choice may be to uninstall Firefox and start all over from scratch, but I don't want to loose my bookmarks. Mike Paula Minor wrote: Is anyone else finding this latest update of Firefox to be more similar to a demolition derby than a browser. It's crashing every time it's opened on my machines. Vista Home and XP machines. My son said he's been having a lot of problems since upgrading it on his pc and his search of user groups indicates that many people are having similar issues. Im on a Mac and haven't upgraded it yet,. I have enough problems from upgrading iTunes and the security update from a few months ago. Paula * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit
Vista's problem wasn't 64 or 32bit related it was that drivers were not written for vista until it had been out nearly a year. You can blame this on MS only in that they may have not given the code to software writers soon enough. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: And Windows has been 64-bit for several years now. The problem has been in driver support and app compatibility, no surprise there. Precisely. Apple knows that some drivers won't work right with the 64 kernel, but it doesn't know if you have such drivers. It suspects that you probably do so the default is 32 bit. You can try 64 by starting up with the 6 and 4 keys depressed and from then on it will run with the 64 kernel. If you run into trouble you restart with 3 and 2 depressed and that puts you back to a 32 kernel. A very elegant solution to a problem that gave Vista users conniptions. What I don't understand is why WFBs have such a hard time understanding something so simple. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Postcard virus
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_postcard_virus.htm On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone gotten a warning or seen anything about the Postcard virus? A friend of mine forwarded a big panic about not opening anything in an email entitled Postcard. As a Mac user I guess getting emails like this are the greatest threat. Here's what it says: *checked with Norton Anti-Virus, and they are gearing up for this virus! I checked Snopes, and it is for real. Get this E-mail message sent around to your contacts ASAP. * PLEASE FORWARD THIS WARNING AMONG FRIENDS, FAMILY AND CONTACTS! You should be alert during the next few days. Do not open any message with an attachment entitled 'POSTCARD FROM HALLMARK,' regardless of who sent it to you. It is a virus which opens A POSTCARD IMAGE, which 'burns' the whole hard Disk C of your computer.. This virus will be received from someone who has your e-mail address in his/her contact list. This is the reason why you need to send this e-mail to all your contacts. It is better to receive this message 25 times than to receive the virus and open it. If you receive a mail called 'POSTCARD,' even though sent to you by a friend, do not open it! Shut down your computer immediately. This is the worst virus announced by CNN. It has been classified by Microsoft as the most destructive virus ever. This virus was discovered by McAfee yesterday, and there is no repair yet for this kind of virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc, where the vital information is kept. COPY THIS E-MAIL, AND SEND IT TO YOUR FRIENDS. REMEMBER: IF YOU SEND IT TO THEM, YOU WILL BENEFIT ALL OF US. = * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Postcard virus
Kind of ironic..the mac guys are more worried then pc guys. On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Tony B wrote: If you really looked this up at Snopes, you sure didn't read very well. If you trusted _someone else_ to look it up at Snopes and read it, shame on you. http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/postcard.asp I didn't say I looked it up at Snopes or anywhere else. I would have no reason to, and the guy who sent it to me is on a Mac too. But thanks for the heads up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Turns Black to White
Well the bringing together only applies when you completely agree with the MFB's. On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Then how do you explain the Windows/Mac crap? Stewart At 11:18 PM 8/27/2009, you wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I know every one loves a good conspiracy theory, but if you read the article closely, the advertising was changed in Europe and they did the whitening over in Europe. It was not done in Redmond but in Europe. Perhaps so, but Redmond must shoulder the responsibility and is apparently responding. The ad was produced in the name of Microsoft and was probably paid for by Microsoft. Racism is alive and well all over the world. I thought that the international aspects of computing and the internet was supposed to bring us all together as one. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit
No, not 'we', I was just talking to you. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:44 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 25, 2009, at 3:42 PM, mike wrote: MS has not because no that they are running 64bit or 32bit. Got it. Official M$ line is that 64-bit is useless, something that no one would notice. You think we are stupid? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit
As I said before 99% of windows or mac users don't know and/or don't care about 32 vs 64 bit. I'd wager most mac users if confronted with the choice of the two won't know which to choose or why to choose which one. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Not sure why you're flailing on this. Mac OS 10.6, Snow Leopard, can be set to load 64-bit, every time, if desired, or left to the default, to load the 32-bit kernel. Windows users must install one or the other. This is not a huge difference. Why split hairs? I like Apple's approach; if I need to use 32-bit kernel to work with older software, I can, and can switch when 32-bit is no longer needed. M$ does provide 32-bit or 64-bit. This is at installation, but I don't slam them for that. Why the nit-picking? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No matter how you slice and dice it, the fact remains that Vista and Win7 are fully 64-bit out of the box, including the kernel. I don't have any problem with Macs, but I do love how you manage to claim that defaulting to the 32-bit version of a critical component is somehow a big advantage over 64-bit Windows, and a sign of superior engineering. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit
But the mac design issue leads into a normal user having to choose 32 or 64 unless I read wrong? On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Ah, but most of us on this list know the issues (or know who to ask). This is/was a discussion of a design issue, not the merits of 32-bit vs. 64-bit. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- As I said before 99% of windows or mac users don't know and/or don't care about 32 vs 64 bit. I'd wager most mac users if confronted with the choice of the two won't know which to choose or why to choose which one. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit
Was someone asking? On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:58 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: This explains a lot. Some things run in 32 bit, some in 64 bit. It all depends. http://www.ahatfullofsky.comuv.com/English/Programs/SMS/SMS.html There is a lot of confusion about the fact that Snow Leopard starts by default with a 32-bit kernel even though nearly everything else is 64-bit (according to Apple all system applications except DVD Player, Front Row, Grapher, and iTunes have been rewritten in 64-bit). Snow Leopard is 64-bit for all users with a 64-bit CPU. The applications are, the memory space is. The ONLY THING that doesn't load into 64-bit - ON PURPOSE - is the kernel! The problem is compatibility with third-party drivers. Some programs are so deeply intertwined with the OS that they reach deeply into its bowels and modify its core, the kernel - these drivers are called kernel extensions (or kext). BTW, the new Mac OS ships this Friday. M$'s Vista replacement is still way out there in the future. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit
You are kicking me off the list for asking? Nice. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:27 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:34 AM, mike wrote: Was someone asking? Then butt out. You are not invited to this conversation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit
Gimme the little one. Plaintive and sorrowful. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:34 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, mike wrote: You are kicking me off the list for asking? Nice. Cue the violins. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Lifeline to Frustrated PC Users
If I click on the link, do you get a kickback? I'll click twice to help the economy if so... On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.parallels.com/news/id,19860 Parallels Desktop Switch to Mac Edition Offers Lifeline to Frustrated PC Users Switching from PC to Mac is on the rise: analyst reports on operating system market share show that Mac OS X market growth comes at the expense of Windows’ market share. While the overall PC industry saw declines of 3% for the quarter ending in June 2009, Apple sales were up 4% year over year¹. According to Apple’s Q309 report, half of the Macs sold were to customers who had never owned a Mac before². The growth in switching is partially due to the ease-of-use and cool capabilities of the Mac, said Serguei Beloussov, CEO of Parallels. However, users don’t want to lose the data they have accumulated and the applications they are already familiar with. Building on our proven track record of Mac innovation, we have addressed this concern and made learning the new operating system even simpler through interactive on-demand tutorials. These are combined with intelligent moving tools and our industry-leading Parallels Desktop for Mac, which offers the greatest performance and stability for running Windows seamlessly on Mac. Golly, there is hope for the future. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit
MS has not because no one would notice that they are running 64bit or 32bit. The only ones choosing 64 are those who know what it is, the ones who don't know..well they wouldn't use it anyhow and if they did, they wouldn't even know it. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:16 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Tony B wrote: So now you're saying the only difference is the new Mac OS will combine both 64 and 32 bit versions in the same package, and the installer must choose 64 bit manually. Win7 will come in two different binaries, and the installer must use the correct one. So Apple has prepared to ease its customers through a transition, while M$ has not. OS X.6 is designed to run in either 32 or 64 mode and to easily switch between them as customer's needs require. This is a good example of the difference between the two companies. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Lifeline to Frustrated PC Users
Measuring by the thing that matters..money, they are a mac user. Apple makes money on the hardware, not the software so they really give a rats tail what os you use as long as you buy their hardware. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Don't bother; it's just an ad for software. Oddly, it's software that allows someone to run their PC on a Mac, which simply means a lot of those figures Tom's quoting are probably inaccurate. I mean, if someone buys a Mac and runs their PC on it, are they a Windows user or a Mac user? On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:22 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: If I click on the link, do you get a kickback? I'll click twice to help the economy if so... On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:02 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.parallels.com/news/id,19860 Parallels Desktop Switch to Mac Edition Offers Lifeline to Frustrated PC Users * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit
From what I understand this really is an under the hood update. It's not meant to be feature ridden for the end user. I've also read that this update will introduce technologies that will only be taken advantage of over time as applications are written specifically for the update. This is also true of vista and windows 7, the trouble with those two is MS wants to keep applications from the days of XP still viable. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Rich Schinnell richnrockvi...@gmail.comwrote: An interesting article in Info World. http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/snow-leopard-just-cheap-windows-7-knockoff-798 Quoted from the first para.. Where's the beef? That's the idiom that jumps to mind as I work my way through Galen Gruman's http://www.infoworld.com/d/mac/7-best-features-in-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-573The 7 best features in Mac OS X Snow Leopard. I knew the features list would be lean -- Apple has deliberately undersold Snow Leopard by pitching it as a relatively minor release -- but please! Gruman's article reads like a laundry list of borrowed features and derivative works. It's as if someone at Apple grabbed a copy of the Windows 7 beta and simply Xeroxed the release notes. For example: 64-bitness: Yippee,! Apple finally goes 64-bit -- BFD! As a Windows user, I've been livin' la vida 64-bit for more than three years. Vista was the first mainstream desktop OS to deliver a viable 64-bit experience, and Windows 7 has taken this migration further by making it the preferred flavor for business users. Maybe I will get banned for bringing this up. I have my reynolds wrap hat on to deflect the AFB's barbs. Rich At 03:16 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote: Date:Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:58:38 -0400 From:TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com Subject: Mac Transition to 64-Bit This explains a lot. Some things run in 32 bit, some in 64 bit. It all depends. http://www.ahatfullofsky.comuv.com/English/Programs/SMS/SMS.html There is a lot of confusion about the fact that Snow Leopard starts by default with a 32-bit kernel even though nearly everything else is 64-bit (according to Apple all system applications except DVD Player, Front Row, Grapher, and iTunes have been rewritten in 64-bit). Snow Leopard is 64-bit for all users with a 64-bit CPU. The applications are, the memory space is. The ONLY THING that doesn't load into 64-bit - ON PURPOSE - is the kernel! The problem is compatibility with third-party drivers. Some programs are so deeply intertwined with the OS that they reach deeply into its bowels and modify its core, the kernel - these drivers are called kernel extensions (or kext). BTW, the new Mac OS ships this Friday. M$'s Vista replacement is still way out there in the future. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
I wish you would. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:10 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Arguing with you guys is like trying to have a conversation with a coffee table. Fortunately there were many other posts that were thoughtful about this very interesting situation. Hang it up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
So you know google is lying...how do you know that? Sent from my iPod On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:06 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Time for a REAL reality check. Apple has rejected many apps that it later accepted. They're not lying. They're being cautious. Apple developers prefer to delay a questionable app until it will work nicely with other apps and the OS. Google Voice does neither. They'll work it out like they've done before. Use GV on an iTouch or Nokia N-series or LG and forget about the iPhone. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
So again, you are saying the FCC is involved for zero reason? On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Mike wrote: So you know google is lying...how do you know that? The issue is not Google or Apple lying. It is you trying to insert misinformation into the account of what transpired. GV was not rejected by Apple. It was not approved. The two are not the same. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
And yet still things leak. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:18 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I still have a cousin who works for Apple as an engineer. They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
The MFB set seems to completely ignore this would have never made any news or into the FCC's radar pattern if Apple had actually not rejected the app. There is no story, no reason to inquire. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: I have at least as much experience with Apple products as your so-called tech site. There are NO real inside connections with Apple, except where Apple allows. As soon as there are leaks, the leaker[s] is/are fired. Industrial espionage is serious business. I still have a cousin who works for Apple as an engineer. They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. No, but they do have connections inside Google and with iPhone developers. They solidly rebut Apple's version and Michael Arrington, TechCrunch's founder and the story's author, is as fawning over Apple as any first-order MFB. Yes, this is he said, she said. I don't pretend it to be anything else, but I also don't pretend that Apple's version is the handed-down-from-God gospel. I just want to know whom will sell who down the river first, Apple or ATT? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] HDDs and vibrators was: Slow Dell startup
We should be clear, they were talking about HD's being affected by vibration...NOT vibrators. Unless you are visiting the adult boutique and putting some purple monsters inside your computer case? On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: But maybe I shouldn't have said anything, and instead waited for one of you to suggest he get a SSD drive! Or are those affected by vibrators also? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
I usually avoid these endless pissing contests that seem to occupy so much Computer Guys bandwidth. But I have two comments to Mr. Kessler's piece: 1. I don't trust anyone who used to be a hedge fund manager to give an honest opinion of anything and 2. while I am against huge profits from either sanctioned or quasi monopolies, *somebody* has to pay for the infrastructure (both building it and maintaining it). If the users of the services don't pay for it, then who will? Mike b_s-wilk wrote: OPINION AUGUST 19, 2009 Why ATT Killed Google Voice By ANDY KESSLER Earlier this month, Apple rejected an application for the iPhone called Google Voice. The uproar set off a chain of events—Google's CEO Eric Schmidt resigning from Apple's board, and the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) investigating wireless open access and handset exclusivity—that may finally end the 135-year-old Alexander Graham Bell era. It's about time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
And also bad to charge different prices depending on what that byte carries. It is ridiculous that texting costs so much even when you have the unlimited data plan. Sent from my iPod On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:02 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: It is truly strange to see the WSJ arguing the benefits of a free market. This is, of course, another manifestation of the network neutrality debate. It is bad for society to allow the carriers to impose bizarre restrictions on what devices can generate data packets on their networks and what those data packets can contain. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
I have several friends who subscribe to the sprint 99 all in one plan. They do this because they keep no land line and no other connection to the internet. So figure in what you spend for land lines and your DSL/cable internet and you might just be above 100 bux. On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Most people would probably just say Who cares? Only elitist bastards would pay over $100/mo for a telephone anyway.. I'm not sure I agree with them, as there may actually be some people that make over $3.33 worth of telephone calls a day. What about brain surgeons? Just because they functioned perfectly well with beepers doesn't mean lives aren't being saved constantly by these new services. I know my wife, at about $50/mo, doesn't make anywhere near $1.66 worth of calls in a day. All of it could wait until she gets home/to work. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice
Everything is the fault of those damn neomircrosofticons eh? How you manage to bring your made up boogey men into everything is amazing. That said the fact you back Apple is shocking...shocking! Changes the iphone so it's not an iphone...uh...yeaaah. So the FCC is investigating Apple *not* rejecting the app because it was kicked higher up...but the app that wasn't rejected and is being investigating for being rejected, *if* perhaps Apple had rejected it...but did not...it would be because their iphone would suddenly be some other thing not an iphone. But they didn't reject it so the FCC investigation is just a big waste of time anyway? That right? You are brilliant! On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 1:17 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Apple's response to the DOJ inquiry looks a lot more plausible than the explanations proffered by the conspiracy theorists. In a nutshell, adding Google Voice to an iPhone significantly changes the operation of the iPhone. It replaces so many of the iPhone's functions that it left Apple wondering if the result was still an iPhone. Apple claims that it did not reject Google Voice, but that it merely delayed its approval and kicked the decision upstairs to a senior management committee. They need some time to sort it out. In a sense this is like the situation when right-wing wackos edit a film to meet their higher standards and then try to redistribute the film. The courts have ruled this illegal. The creator if the work has the right to control what is in the work. If the creator wants to issue a censored version it is their right to do so, but a third party may not do it. Here Apple has to decide what is essential about their iPhone and to what degree they will allow third parties to change the essential nature of their creation. There are good arguments to be made on either side of this issue. I can understand Apple being unable to make a snap judgement on this one. If the extensive changes made to the iPhone by Google Voice break some of the functionality of the iPhone will customers blame Apple or Google? Who has to make repairs? http://www.apple.com/hotnews/apple-answers-fcc-questions/ The best of all worlds might be to have Apple and Google work together to make this work. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
You should actually listen to what we're talking about. Oh wait I forgot who I am talking to. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 20, 2009, at 1:50 PM, mike wrote: It wasn't just the degree that set Dvorak off, it was also Kundra's behavior during an appearance at I believe was in front of some senators. His basic point being the guy was full of BS web 2.0 doubletalk that makes no sense when actually analyzed. Web 2.0 is hardly doubletalk. Perhaps it is just a future that some geezers have trouble comprehending? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows error reports question
I can't help but think something is wrong with your machine. I just ran disk cleanup on my win 7 install from 6 months ago...I had less then half a gig of data cleaned from running disk clean up. Never ran DCU before. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Running Disk Cleanup in Vista I was surprised when it cleaned a whopping 4gb of system queued windows error reporting last month. But now, a month later, it's reporting a whopping 7gb of them! I try to keep my C partition small, so these are a good 10% of the drive! I have system dumps turned off - I've done that since Win98 days. I have Write an event to the system log enabled. So how can I just turn this off? Or should I? What's the deal with these things, which presumably will be around in Win7 also? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] macbreak weekly announcement
To those few who may care, Merlin Mann is back on macbreak weekly. The show lost some of it's play when he left last summer, and even though Bourne isn't around doing his Ed Mcmahon impersonation it's still fun. Between Inhatko and Mann, it's quite a fun show. For those who might not know, macbreak is a weekly podcast on the twit network about all things mac. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
TWIT podcast this week also discussed Dvorak's column and the complaints about it all the way to the white house. It wasn't just the degree that set Dvorak off, it was also Kundra's behavior during an appearance at I believe was in front of some senators. His basic point being the guy was full of BS web 2.0 doubletalk that makes no sense when actually analyzed. But then you listen to almost anyone in any administration they spend more time not saying anything the more they talk. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:41 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:19 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 19, 2009, at 5:30 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Dvorak was more annoyed with the quality of the school he went to. U Md has a very good Computer Science program. It is the best in this area, which has lots of schools with CS departments. It was the degree coming through the University College portion of U Md that set Dvorak off along with taking 6 years to get a degree in psychology. As someone who took rather longer than the 5 years my program was scheduled to take I find no reason to judge on anything beyond the final product. Kundra has also demonstrated the ability to think independently and innovate. When someone can do that I'm not going to be looking at his degree. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Flush With Cash and Fearing Rules, Major Carriers Tell Rural America to Get Lost
Vacation? The mind boggles. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:42 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:10 PM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Where did all this money come from that they can so cavalierly pass on $4.7 billion. Are we being overcharged? Of course we are being overcharged. I am sure that you already know that. To wit, we pay, on average, five times what users in the Netherlands pay, and our broadband bills are typically at least twice as much as in most other countries. Corporate Amerika Rules, the only country in the world that has no federal law mandating vacation for its workers. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Yeah, come in from the rain and start making stuff up where it's warm and dry. Truth holds no value just blast those neomicrosofticons. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:52 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: A failure that hasn't been released yet? Interesting point of view. Perhaps we should wait just a bit. You have to be smart enough to come in out of the rain to understand the concept. Standing there until you are soaked and sneezing is not necessary. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:19 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 19, 2009, at 5:30 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Dvorak was more annoyed with the quality of the school he went to. U Md has a very good Computer Science program. It is the best in this area, which has lots of schools with CS departments. Kundra has also demonstrated the ability to think independently and innovate. When someone can do that I'm not going to be looking at his degree. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Well mr moneybags, 2500 dollars to listen to a ten dollar cd is cost prohibitive to a lot of people. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote: A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative areas of hi-fi is in headphone systems. The youngsters all ready use Ipods and Zunes, they all ready have computers. They may not have the scratch for a full blown rig, but you can get audiophile quality for not too much more than a Mac Mini, a decent DAC/headphone amp, and some relatively cheap interconnects. Absolutely kills any Ipod or Zune on the planet for under US$2500 or less. Do it with a last generation PC for even less. Mac Mini (new) US$600.00 Benchmark DAC1 US$1000.00 Sennheiser HD600sUS$300.00 Optical interconnectUS$20.00 Itunes Free Monitor, keyboard US$200.00 Of course you're on you're own as far as the tunes are concerned. But that is highly respectable hardware that will support later expansion, that is the way I went, except that my music server is a PC. You can get less expensive than that but only if you are willimg to trade off the control flexibility and balanced outputs of the DAC mentioned. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
I have a computer hooked up to a pioneer receiver with svideo and digital audio, I've put all my cds and some dvds on the computer and can play anything with my ipod touch working as the remote. Since it's controlled via wifi, I don't even have t be in the same room. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:48 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote: A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative areas of hi-fi is in headphone systems. The youngsters all ready use Ipods and Zunes, they all ready have computers. They may not have the scratch for a full blown rig, but you can get audiophile quality for not too much more than a Mac Mini, a decent DAC/headphone amp, and some relatively cheap interconnects. Absolutely kills any Ipod or Zune on the planet for under US$2500 or less. Do it with a last generation PC for even less. Mac Mini (new) US$600.00 Benchmark DAC1 US$1000.00 Sennheiser HD600sUS$300.00 Optical interconnectUS$20.00 Itunes Free Monitor, keyboard US$200.00 Of course you're on you're own as far as the tunes are concerned. But that is highly respectable hardware that will support later expansion, that is the way I went, except that my music server is a PC. You can get less expensive than that but only if you are willimg to trade off the control flexibility and balanced outputs of the DAC mentioned. I merely send the audio output from my computer to my existing stereo system by way of cables. The result is audio that is magnitudes better than from the computer speakers. Cheap. I also have numerous CDs loaded with MP3s that are categorized into folders. I play the CDs via the CD/DVD player which has a small 9 B/W monitor attached, allowing me to view the contents of the CDs and to navigate through the offerings using the DVD player remote control. The player also has a USB port that I use in conjunction with flash drives to quickly and easily listen to newly obtained music. I often will record to my hard drive interesting music streams from the internet and listen to them later. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million
Hold on, you need to give some warning so I can get my hip boots on before you start shoveling this much high end shite. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:01 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Looks like the price tag ($18M) is for 5 years of work with an ambitious mission statement and new content constantly added. Our cons/neocons had made it sound like it was for a weekend's work. They lied to us for 8 years and I guess it is hard to break a habit. Agencies are starting to see that government needs to be part of this larger information ecosystem, said Sheila Campbell, co-chairwoman of the Federal Web Managers Council. Managing the Web isn't just managing the Web site. It means putting the content out where people are on the Web. Great dot-gov Web Sites 2009 http://gcn.com/Articles/2009/07/27/GCN-Great-Gov-Web-Sites-2009.aspx Go visit these government sites and enjoy a job well done! Don't miss the contrast between the really good government sites and the shabby GCN site. Do note aspx at the end of the GCN URL. (ASP.NET is a web application framework developed and marketed by Microsoft. Ho, ho, ho.) I have analyzed the code of some of these dot-gov sites and, as I wrote before, they are very well crafted. Lots to learn from their example. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25
A quick google and it looks like it's blocked, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, those big guys don't want anyone running a server on their network. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: I have Cox Cable Internet Access in Annandale (VA). Cox blocks Port 25 usage for all smtp servers except Cox itself, so that all outgoing e-mail messages from any sender address have to use Cox's smtp server ( smtp.east.cox.net). They do this, apparently, so they can easily detect spammers on their own circuits. Can anyone tell me whether Verizon FIOS (or DSL) service does this? (in Annandale / northern VA) Thanks, Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
Yeah open source...free. Half the work was already done for them. Not only was this company taking an existing website and merely rebuilding it, they are using pre built tools to do it. What are they doing exactly for ten million? Oh that's right, with the new transparency that info is redacted. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:24 PM, mike wrote: Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. Other than it not being from M$, what is your objection to drupal? It is a very good open-source CMS. I'm really happy to see the new government websites using high-quality open-source like drupal and jQuery. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
The hardware was supplied by the government from what I read...this was JUST for the coding etc. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. What I read was that the contract wasn't just for the web site. Most of the money was for the infrastructure behind it (databases or whatever, I don't remember the details.) The site is just the visible part. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
It's not with drupal, it's the fact they are using prebuilt systems for their website...should be SAVING money...what this website would have cost 25 million otherwise? recovery.org only monitors recovery spending..another website called fedspending.org monitors ALL government spending and did it with a less then 400k initial grant. Lets see...private .org does more then the .gov and for millions less. No, I don't expect a left winger like you to have a problem with fat government..well unless it's under your favorite villians those magical neomicrosofticons. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:40 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:35 PM, mike wrote: Yeah open source...free. Half the work was already done for them. Not only was this company taking an existing website and merely rebuilding it, they are using pre built tools to do it. What are they doing exactly for ten million? Oh that's right, with the new transparency that info is redacted. So what is your beef with drupal? We are waiting... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million
The software infrastructure was supplied by drupal...which was my point. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: The hardware was supplied by the government from what I read...this was JUST for the coding etc. I meant the software infrastructure, not the hardware infrastructure. My point was that it wasn't just for the web site; there's a lot of code behind it that you can't see. Just design and coding can be expensive if there's a lot of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Well we know from sales figures the Zune isn't mass market so you must be referring to Tom. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote: I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name. Well, I have to agree that Sarah Palin lost my vote for the Republican ticket, the official one. It would be good to see what you object to specifically with Zune, not that I generally care about mass market crap, anyway. ? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
This has got to be an act, Tom can't be this obtuse and still feed himself. All the world's a stage and all the men and women are merely players. Play on Tom. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 16, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: It would be good to see what you object to specifically with Zune, not that I generally care about mass market crap, anyway. Someone else said it, but I will repeat it once again because it is so brilliantly succinct... M$ is skating to where the puck was, not where it will be. Is this too difficult a concept for WFBs to wrap their brains around? Do they know nothing about hockey? If M$ were to price this poor, belated copy of somebody else's work at $99 it might have some merit, just for being cheap. Priced as it is, one might as well buy a refurb of the real thing. The Zune HD 16GB will sell for $219 http://store.apple.com/us/product/FA623LL/B $159 Refurbished iPod touch, 8GB (first generation). Apple Certified. 1-year warranty. Free shipping. $279 Refurbished iPod touch, 32GB (first generation). Apple Certified. 1-year warranty. Free shipping. I'm waiting with great interest to see what Apple will roll out about the same time that the Zune HD is supposed to go on sale. I'm sure it will be far more interesting. It won't be a copy of somebody else's work. Why are you wasting your time defending such mediocrity? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Are there any portable players with sound you do like? I'm not trying to be a smartass, just trying to educate myself. I know you follow this particular area a lot more then I do. I've never been much of a audiophile, I've listened to a LOT of music at work over the last few decades, always on portable players because that's the only way. As far as the ipod or zune, I've read multiple places the zune has a better sound processor, but I can't tell. Could you? Or are they both just too bad to even consider? Any portables out there you do like? Any suggestions for someone wanting to see if they can hear the difference? On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote: They are what they are. No one with any serious interest in music takes them as anything more than that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Anecdotally, a lot of youngsters these days have never seriously listened to music on a REAL sound system. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
I don't think it's quality that is so much the point with HD radio as much as more content. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote: As to HD radio over earbuds, you would never hear the difference between that and FM, if you could even capture the signal to begin with. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Offers to Pay Buckets for Zune Apps
How? On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:38 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Now Apple has MS over a barrel. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] External keyboard for notebook computer
Even if you find something like that (or make it with a couple of pieces of 5/4 wood strip, I don't think you would be very happy with a keyboard being up in the air like that - it would be quite awkward/uncomfortable to use for more than a few minutes. When I use my laptop at home with an external keyboard, I leave it closed and just hook up an external monitor of some kind. Mike Fred Holmes wrote: I'm looking for an external keyboard, for a notebook computer, that would sit on top of the notebook computer's keyboard, instead of in front of the notebook computer. The keyboard might have pedestals on each end to support it over the notebook body, instead of having it rest on the notebook keyboard. Anyone seen such a beast, or a better solution? When a standard keyboard is placed in front of a notebook computer, the display is moved too far away for my liking, and also too much [physical] desk top real estate is occupied. Thanks, Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Getting Really Creepy
So these things should have been popping up in other devices unless Steve jumped up in class with his hand raised telling the big O he'd be first to implement the new tech. If this story pans out, I don't think there is proof yet, I'm sure it will be just apple being apple. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 4:35 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:33 PM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Apple cooks up a scheme so creepy that it would give me second thoughts about buying one of their products. A built-in system of sensors to monitor and log customer abuse which apparently includes jailbreaking your iphone that has the ability to shut down the product and void the warranty. Perhaps the roots of such a policy can be traced back to certain regulations perpetrated by the United States government. To wit, the numerous consumer products, many of them simply common household items, that contain the following warning: It is a violation of federal law to use this product in a manner that is inconsistent with its labeling. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] External keyboard for notebook computer
Well...why not take a day or two and learn to touch type on the laptop? You are already 90% there. Once you are trained on one keyboard the others come easily. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: I can touch-type on a real keyboard. I can't touch-type on a notebook keyboard. And for when I must hunt-and-peck, I know exactly where the key is on a real keyboard; I have to eyeball search for it on a notebook keyboard. Using the real keyboard in front of the notebook takes up real estate that I would rather use for other purposes. Or just not have to clear as much space on a messy tabletop. Some of the variable position keys on my notebook are differently located than on my standard keyboard. Have keyboard manufacturers yet standardized on the location of the backslash key? Fred Holmes At 10:44 PM 8/14/2009, b_s-wilk wrote: What's missing from the keyboard other than a numbers pad--and comfort? Is the keyboard just annoying as it is? Do you also want to use an external mouse? You can get a separate numbers keypad that plugs into USB. Or you can raise the notebook closer to eye level and put a keyboard underneath it on your desk. I'm assuming this is for your desk, not to be used on your lap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Getting Really Creepy
Your cell phone already has the water detector..works find in humidity. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:52 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Apple cooks up a scheme so creepy that it would give me second thoughts about buying one of their products. A built-in system of sensors to monitor and log customer abuse which apparently includes jailbreaking your iphone that has the ability to shut down the product and void the warranty. This is far creepier than Windows genuine advantage. I have long lamented the fact that Apple decided to hitch its cart to phones, music sales and music players. The one and only affinity I have for Apple is with their desktop and portable computers and I wish their primary focus had remained there. I fully realize that the iPhone and the iPod made mega-bucks for Apple, but that fact is likely at the root of the problem as described in the article. How many people brought Apple products to be repaired under warranty that were broken due to user abuse rather than product defects? Plenty of them--enough to create this rumor. The warranty covers defects, not abuse. However the water detector designed in northern California, where it's usually dry, won't work in Maryland or any place on the East or Gulf coasts where humidity is very high. High humidity could cause the detector to register as wet when it's the air that's saturated, rather than the device having been wet or submerged. Apple will probably develop a device to make up for humidity, if they do anything at all. It's a rumor. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] disk tool..can't recall the name
I've got two drives, identical hardware, one is a direct copy/backup of the other. The internal one shows 20 gigs less then the external backup. This after running the sync, running defrag and error checking the the drives. There is a disk tool that is free that shows who/what/when/where your HD space has gone and I can't recall the name for anything. Anyone? TIA. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
And your wife's has that much cleaner interface? Does 720p out? Does HD radio? On a related note, is Apple *any* closer to offering 1080p content? I figured since the format wars are over, we'd finally see apple release some HD hardware. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Wow. Hooks up to the TV, just like my wife's 3-year old iPod. Wow indeed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Where is the zune HD behind on the touch? On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Pretty friggin awesome. Very zippy. Very smooth. A thought. They hope to win market share by undercutting Apple's current price, but are introducing a model that is technically several years behind Apple's current models. Taking that into consideration should we not be comparing the Zune HD to models Apple is listing on its refurb pages? That would pretty much eliminate any cost difference. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
So first you want to compare it to the first gen ipod touch that are refurb...now you want to compare them to unreleased ipod touches... On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Wow. The Zune HD prices look good compared to today's iPod Touches, but not so much compared to the new camera-equipped ones Apple is set to announce next month (16/32/64 GB for $199/299/399). Same price, double the size, and photos. Not bad at all. http://gizmodo.com/5336919/new-ipod-touch-sizes-claims-daring-daring- fireball Better buy that Zune the day it becomes available, because you won't be interested in buying it for many days after. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Getting Really Creepy
There are no reports that these dots activate in humid weather, or at least that there is any inherent problem with that. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:55 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Your cell phone already has the water detector..works find in humidity. Cavan's cell phone didn't work after he dropped it into a Big Gulp. His iPod didn't work after he dropped it into water. Those kinds of mishaps cause the malfunctions that people try to get fixed or replaced under warranty. A water detector that indicates a device was wet could be faulty in humid weather, even though your phone or music player work OK. When they break due to defects, the water detector could keep you from getting service if it's affected by humidity rather than submersion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
I'll take that as you haven't looked at an specs or reviews of the product. Shocking. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 15, 2009, at 1:40 PM, mike wrote: Where is the zune HD behind on the touch? One of the commentators hit the nail squarely on the head... M$ is skating to where the puck was, not where it will be. Bravo! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] disk tool..can't recall the name
Too true. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:27 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I've got two drives, identical hardware, one is a direct copy/backup of the other. The internal one shows 20 gigs less then the external backup. This after running the sync, running defrag and error checking the the drives. There is a disk tool that is free that shows who/what/when/where your HD space has gone and I can't recall the name for anything. When asking such questions, it is always helpful to inform readers what OS you are needing such a tool for. Almost invariably, when OS info is not provided, it turns out to be a Windows user because they seem to forget that not everyone uses Windows. That being the case, and since it is therefore virtually certian that you are needing a utility for a Windows machine, i cannot be of any help. Can someone please help this Windows user? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
The zune offers 720 out...meaning you can hook it to a 65 widescreen and get 720p out. Appletv is only 720p right now, they offer no 1080p support on anything apple. Kinda strange for a platform that is targeted for media. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: On a related note, is Apple *any* closer to offering 1080p content? I figured since the format wars are over, we'd finally see apple release some HD hardware. What is the value in having a 1080p image on a screen of such a tiny size? Even 720 for that matter? Just curious. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] disk tool..can't recall the name
WINDIRSTAT! that's it! Thanks. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Treesize Pro or WinDirStat. -Original Message- I've got two drives, identical hardware, one is a direct copy/backup of the other. The internal one shows 20 gigs less then the external backup. This after running the sync, running defrag and error checking the the drives. There is a disk tool that is free that shows who/what/when/where your HD space has gone and I can't recall the name for anything. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Getting Really Creepy
It deosn't depend...these dots have been on your cell phones for *years*. We already know how they work and behave. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:33 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: There are no reports that these dots activate in humid weather, or at least that there is any inherent problem with that. Perhaps--depends on how sensitive these dots are. What if the shock detector [sudden motion sensor] in your MacBook Pro gets set off when you drop your laptop bag after 6 months but your MBP keeps working, and the sensor records the incident? Then after 18 months the HD fails. Apple opens it up and says nope, this was shocked. You try, to no avail, explaining that it worked for a whole year after the shock so the shock couldn't be to blame for the HD failure. Today you can turn that feature on or off, but will that choice be there in the future? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket
Too bad the MFB couldn't list any facts. You were asked...several times. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 15, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: -Original Message- From: TPiwowar I'll stick with my own bigotry, ignorance and confirmation bias. Note that our WFBs are now manufacturing false posts to further their evil disinformation campaign. Can't prevail on the facts. Can't prevail on the merits. The days when M$ could prevail through dirty tricks are long gone. I'll stick with: M$ is skating to where the puck was, not where it will be. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Getting Really Creepy
In some ways you'd expect this from vendors who have very little margin looking for ways out of covering warranties, but apple having such huge margins and the rep of taking care of customers...strange. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Apple cooks up a scheme so creepy that it would give me second thoughts about buying one of their products. A built-in system of sensors to monitor and log customer abuse which apparently includes jailbreaking your iphone that has the ability to shut down the product and void the warranty. This is far creepier than Windows genuine advantage. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/06/ apple_working_on_device_abuse_detection_technology.html Often companies fail, not because they have been bested by their competitors, but because they have repeatedly shot themselves in the foot. Apple looks to be loading its pistol. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disk geometry error
Right...go after MS first, can't possibly be that norton just hasn't fixed the issue with their program. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:28 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Tony B wrote: Vista introduces a new drive signature which isn't restored with a drive image with Ghost 14. Presumably Win7 will do the same. You must boot to the Vista install disk and run repair. Often several times. Pray tell, why do we need such a feature. Is this another one of those abusive things M$ does for their own personal amusement? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Disk geometry error
Is having you capitalized helping you maintain the illusion that I wrote something I did not? Might want to see who is writing what before you /start rant...helps others know what the heck yer on about. Sent from my iPod On Aug 13, 2009, at 4:39 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: YOU wrote Vista introduces a new drive 'signature' and I took you at your word. YOU wrote that it interferes with copying drives and I took you at your word. When I asked why M$ would add such an impediment all you are interested in doing is diverting blame to some poor third party whose software no longer works. Are we to believe that Vista was ghost written by some third party? On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:14 PM, mike wrote: Right...go after MS first, can't possibly be that norton just hasn't fixed the issue with their program. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:28 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Tony B wrote: Vista introduces a new drive signature which isn't restored with a drive image with Ghost 14. Presumably Win7 will do the same. You must boot to the Vista install disk and run repair. Often several times. Pray tell, why do we need such a feature. Is this another one of those abusive things M$ does for their own personal amusement? *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Zune: CNN Agrees With TP
Spose the same reason apple sells computers overseas. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Microsoft's Zune HD Could Be Too Little, Too Late http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/ djf500/200908131645DOWJONESDJONLINE000635_FORTUNE5.htm I think the are going to have to price it for much less. Pricing it at $80 under the equivalent iPod won't cut it. BTW, M$ market share is 2%. Why to they even keep trying? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
During the Virginia Tech shootings, the guy reloaded several times. Imagine being one of those still alive, standing next to your slain friends waiting for your killer to reload his guns to move on to you. We can trade anecdotes all day long, stats speak for themselves. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: . If we had guns when we were held up, and tried to use them, we would be dead. We were approached by two armed men, one from the side and one behind us. There's no way we could have gotten our guns out before being shot. We were unarmed and cooperative. We didn't get shot. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
They don't carry guns? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I have friends who are cops and never use their guns. Instead they walk their beats in Philly and know the people in the neighborhoods. Good relations, not guns are their weapons of choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Do you apply real logic to ANY argument you make or is it always this weird apple logic? On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:36 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:55 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Boy, I wasn't going to get into this, but now I cannot help it.\ End of August is always silly season around here. If most adults, perhaps even adolescents, were to walk around armed with guns, knives, brass knuckles, whatever, and this is presuming that at some future time this could become the case, would associated deaths and injuries be more or less likely to occur than now, and why? Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. To say the opposite would require you to take a pro-Apple stand to say that popularity has nothing to do with bad things happening. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Fists cause them to happen? Does this even make sense? On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Microsoft logic or not, I would agree. Just about every human is already armed with fists, yet fists rarely stop fist fights from happening, and in fact, they cause them to happen. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
