Re: [CGUYS] Brutal Zune Review..and on to winmo
t.piwowar On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:48 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: I maintain that within 5 years, the iPhone will be a bit player in the mobile device market. Way too much competition coming down the pike. With 65,000 apps available for the iPhone and less than a dozen for the competitors it is going to be very hard to catch up. snip Now it looks like places have switched WRT the phone markets. In the desktop/laptop markets, MS had most of the headaches. In the phone markets, it now looks like Apple has that role (the hack from BlackHat with SMS messages taking over your phone). Someone else found a similiar vulnerability with WM phones, but it does seem like the iPhone market has become a big target for the bad guys. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly I used to have a handle on life, then it broke. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brutal Zune Review..and on to winmo
On Aug 9, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: Now it looks like places have switched WRT the phone markets. In the desktop/laptop markets, MS had most of the headaches. In the phone markets, it now looks like Apple has that role (the hack from BlackHat with SMS messages taking over your phone). Someone else found a similiar vulnerability with WM phones, but it does seem like the iPhone market has become a big target for the bad guys. This is a good scientific experiment to test the claim that Windows has so many viruses infecting it only because it is so popular. My take is that Windows has so many viruses infecting it because it is poorly engineered. If you check the Wild List you will see that there are 100s of active, circulating viruses that can attack Windows and we have to add anti-virus software to watch for them. For the iPhone (which runs a variant of OS X) we have had a few vulnerabilities discovered which Apple has quickly fixed. There are no active viruses circulating in the wild. There never have been. So can we put the attacked due to popularity myth down now? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How often do you hear about viruses on winmo? It's not a theory that OS X is as susceptible to viruses and trojans as windows, it's proven. It's only holdout MFBs that have a hard time with truth. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:49 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 9, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: Now it looks like places have switched WRT the phone markets. In the desktop/laptop markets, MS had most of the headaches. In the phone markets, it now looks like Apple has that role (the hack from BlackHat with SMS messages taking over your phone). Someone else found a similiar vulnerability with WM phones, but it does seem like the iPhone market has become a big target for the bad guys. This is a good scientific experiment to test the claim that Windows has so many viruses infecting it only because it is so popular. My take is that Windows has so many viruses infecting it because it is poorly engineered. If you check the Wild List you will see that there are 100s of active, circulating viruses that can attack Windows and we have to add anti-virus software to watch for them. For the iPhone (which runs a variant of OS X) we have had a few vulnerabilities discovered which Apple has quickly fixed. There are no active viruses circulating in the wild. There never have been. So can we put the attacked due to popularity myth down now? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If you check the Wild List you will see that there are 100s of active, circulating viruses that can attack Windows and we have to add anti-virus software to watch for them. Tom likes this metric because it says what he wants it to say. It has no real meaning, but oo, is it scary sounding. In Tom's world, the only security threat is a virus. Listen to that advice and you will soon be sorry. Go to http://www.securemac.com/ if you want an reality-based source on Mac security. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brutal Zune Review..and on to winmo
On Aug 9, 2009, at 1:01 PM, mike wrote: How often do you hear about viruses on winmo? How often do I see anyone using WINCE? You kind or reinforce my point. I didn't expect you guys would go for a scientific test. You just prattle on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Just forget about that bothersome second part I listed...much easier if you just cover your eyes and ears and drone to yourself. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:33 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 9, 2009, at 1:01 PM, mike wrote: How often do you hear about viruses on winmo? How often do I see anyone using WINCE? You kind or reinforce my point. I didn't expect you guys would go for a scientific test. You just prattle on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brutal Zune Review..and on to winmo
On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:48 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: I maintain that within 5 years, the iPhone will be a bit player in the mobile device market. Way too much competition coming down the pike. With 65,000 apps available for the iPhone and less than a dozen for the competitors it is going to be very hard to catch up. The competitors are still making some of the mistakes Apple made in its early days and they will need to fix those first. Right now Apple appears to be its own worst enemy with a nutty approval process at its App Store. If they don't fix that soon there will be developer leakage to the other platforms. I bet Apple will fix it soon. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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With 65,000 apps available for the iPhone and less than a dozen for the competitors it is going to be very hard to catch up. The competitors are still making some of the mistakes Apple made in its early days and they will need to fix those first. Right now Apple appears to be its own worst enemy with a nutty approval process at its App Store. If they don't fix that soon there will be developer leakage to the other platforms. I bet Apple will fix it soon. Recent history is littered with those who were there first in their particular field. Palm, Sony, IBM, Apple, Xerox, etc. Being first isn't first is no guarantee of being the last man standing. All of these companies were innovative, all had a dominant lock on their market and all were soon surpassed by competitors with better products. In fact, if recent history is our guide, being first with a successful, standard setting product is a high order of probability that you will be the first to drop as the market matures. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brutal Zune Review..and on to winmo
Jeff Wright wrote: With 65,000 apps available for the iPhone and less than a dozen for the competitors it is going to be very hard to catch up. The competitors are still making some of the mistakes Apple made in its early days and they will need to fix those first. Right now Apple appears to be its own worst enemy with a nutty approval process at its App Store. If they don't fix that soon there will be developer leakage to the other platforms. I bet Apple will fix it soon. Recent history is littered with those who were there first in their particular field. Palm, Sony, IBM, Apple, Xerox, etc. Being first isn't first is no guarantee of being the last man standing. All of these companies were innovative, all had a dominant lock on their market and all were soon surpassed by competitors with better products. In fact, if recent history is our guide, being first with a successful, standard setting product is a high order of probability that you will be the first to drop as the market matures. This discussion is pretty much pure speculation but: The iPhone wasn't just first, it was about a generation and a half ahead. Given Apple's history of innovation it's more likely that they will innovate again than drop from popularity. That said, I'm happy with a regular iPod and the simplest of phones. I can ooo and aaah over the latest iGadgets and Palms without really wanting one. I also don't have chunks of time, like a commute, where I could use one. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This discussion is pretty much pure speculation but: The iPhone wasn't just first, it was about a generation and a half ahead. Given Apple's history of innovation it's more likely that they will innovate again than drop from popularity. You'll notice that first was in quotes in my post. Very few companies are literally first, but they were the first with a successful and popular implementation of their product. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Palm, Sony, IBM, Apple, Xerox, etc. Being first isn't first is no guarantee of being the last man standing. All of these companies were innovative, all had a dominant lock on their market and all were soon surpassed by competitors with better products. In fact, if recent history is our guide, being first with a successful, standard setting product is a high order of probability that you will be the first to drop as the market matures. An you have the temerity to accuse me of having a reality distortion field? Your beloved M$ is moving in a clockwise direction in the Southern Hemisphere, and in a counterclockwise direction in the Northern Hemisphere. The future belongs to Apple, Google, Amazon, and possibly the revitalized Palm. Can M$ turn things around by copying other's successes and bringing them to market two years late? There was a time when they could, but the Netscape case made their methods public and now much less effective. I don't think the dirty tricks of old will win the day for M$. I've read that M$ is giving away loads of Zune HDs to industry bloggers and writers. That will no doubt generate lots of sycophantic stories for you to quote. Proving nothing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Jordan wrote: That said, I'm happy with a regular iPod and the simplest of phones. I can ooo and aaah over the latest iGadgets and Palms without really wanting one. I also don't have chunks of time, like a commute, where I could use one. Me too, but it is getting harder and harder to resist. As a city person I'm totally in awe of the new geo-location features. In the past I have spent so many hours pouring over maps and transit schedules. To me this is a killer feature. I imagine being able to fly into a foreign city with almost no preparation. I can be sitting on the Spanish Steps and ask my iPod how to get to the Castel Sant'Angelo and it will tell me where to stand to get the bus that will be there in 5 minutes. This is awesome. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: You'll notice that first was in quotes in my post. Very few companies are literally first, but they were the first with a successful and popular implementation of their product. In quotes splitting hairs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I've read that M$ is giving away loads of Zune HDs to industry bloggers and writers. That will no doubt generate lots of sycophantic stories for you to quote. Proving nothing. Still waiting for the list of reasons why it's vastly inferior. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It's nice to know you've already decided to not believe any reviews of the product, makes it so you won't have to read any...not that you would, or even touch the device once it is out. This makes life so easy on you I imagine..no actual thought needed. Fits your MO. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:22 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I've read that M$ is giving away loads of Zune HDs to industry bloggers and writers. That will no doubt generate lots of sycophantic stories for you to quote. Proving nothing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Still waiting for the list of reasons why it's vastly inferior. Birther. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Still waiting for the list of reasons why it's vastly inferior. Birther. Yes, apparently you are. We ask birthers for their reasoning, and we get none, just statements of fact with no supporting evidence. Precisely what you're doing right now. Do you have any reasons for what you said, or don't you? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 8, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Jordan wrote: That said, I'm happy with a regular iPod and the simplest of phones. I can ooo and aaah over the latest iGadgets and Palms without really wanting one. I also don't have chunks of time, like a commute, where I could use one. Me too, but it is getting harder and harder to resist. As a city person I'm totally in awe of the new geo-location features. In the past I have spent so many hours pouring over maps and transit schedules. To me this is a killer feature. I imagine being able to fly into a foreign city with almost no preparation. I can be sitting on the Spanish Steps and ask my iPod how to get to the Castel Sant'Angelo and it will tell me where to stand to get the bus that will be there in 5 minutes. This is awesome. I understand and totally agree. If you live in or travel to an urban environment a GPS device would be great, and hard to resist. I live in the country and avoid urban areas. And I rarely travel without my car. There's no public transport to speak of where I live or where I travel to. If I were you I would have one. And as much as I love maps, I'd probably get one if I were going to spend much time in a city or cities I don't know. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes, but Apple wasn't first in either the music player or smart phone markets. Both markets were considered to be fairly stable and buttoned down until Apple came along and churned them up again. Remember this review of the first iPod: No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.? Of course it wasn't particularly obvious then what made the iPod so successful, so we could be missing what is so great about the new competition for iPod/iPhones. But consider the case Mike made for the Zune, a few posts back. If it was cited in an advertisement, it would read something like: Mike says: 'superior processor' … 'interface is at worst just fine'… 'what is there to complain about except lateness issue?' (Exact quotes, and I tried to not to change his meaning.) Would that endorsement make you or anyone else want to go out and buy one? The Pre? Looks very nice, but Palm hasn't released its sales figures (a good indication that the Pre isn't catching fire), and analysts mostly estimate that the Pre is doing OK but not spectacularly. I haven't read that much about WebOS recently, but my impression was that developers thought it was easy to develop for, but limited. Enlighten me if I am wrong on this. Android is more open in theory, but much of that openness is restricted by the carriers at present, and I haven't heard a whole lot about Android phone sales figures either. The problem these competitors have is that Apple already has a huge, well-developed iPod/iPhone/iTunes ecosystem, while they mostly don't and have to work hard trying to create one. In my own view, we haven't even begun to discuss a big group of potential competitors for the iPhone, and that is Japanese manufacturers. Japanese phones seem to have fantastic hardware capabilities, but are hampered globally by somewhat bulky designs and lousy user interfaces, and their manufacturers seem to be waking up to this. They at least would have a substantial Japanese user base to expand from. From:Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com With 65,000 apps available for the iPhone and less than a dozen for the competitors it is going to be very hard to catch up. The competitors are still making some of the mistakes Apple made in its early days and they will need to fix those first. Right now Apple appears to be its own worst enemy with a nutty approval process at its App Store. If they don't fix that soon there will be developer leakage to the other platforms. I bet Apple will fix it soon. Recent history is littered with those who were there first in their particular field. Palm, Sony, IBM, Apple, Xerox, etc. Being first isn't first is no guarantee of being the last man standing. All of these companies were innovative, all had a dominant lock on their market and all were soon surpassed by competitors with better products. In fact, if recent history is our guide, being first with a successful, standard setting product is a high order of probability that you will be the first to drop as the market matures. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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But consider the case Mike made for the Zune, a few posts back. If it was cited in an advertisement, it would read something like: Mike says: 'superior processor' . 'interface is at worst just fine'. 'what is there to complain about except lateness issue?' (Exact quotes, and I tried to not to change his meaning.) Would that endorsement make you or anyone else want to go out and buy one? Of course not, but that wasn't the intent of Mike's message. If it had been, it would've listed HD radio, HD video, OLED screen, Marketplace/Xbox connectivity, full WiFi, lower price, etc. The message was responding to negative comments. The basic theme that I got from it was, At the very worst it matches iPod Touch, which you like, so what's your real beef? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This sounds too much like the children's argument, I know you are, but what am I?. Rather than waiting for the No you are from Tom, and a No YOU are back from you, I beg you: Please, one of you make an actual point instead of going around in circles like this, or let it drop. Of course, that plea never worked with my Mom, either. From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com On Aug 8, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Still waiting for the list of reasons why it's vastly inferior. Birther. Yes, apparently you are. We ask birthers for their reasoning, and we get none, just statements of fact with no supporting evidence. Precisely what you're doing right now. Do you have any reasons for what you said, or don't you? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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An you have the temerity to accuse me of having a reality distortion field? Your beloved M$ is moving in a clockwise direction in the Southern Hemisphere, and in a counterclockwise direction in the Northern Hemisphere. Yes, I do, and it's at full power right now. Name one instance where MS was first with something. I'll wait. The future belongs to Apple, Google, Amazon, and possibly the revitalized Palm. The near future belongs to Google, MS and Linux to a certain degree. Apple certainly has a god deal of success with the mobile market right now, but it still has to overcome Blackberry, which is still outselling it and at equal revenue. The rest of the market is closing in. Whether or not the future belongs to them remains to be seen. Proving nothing. Herr Doctor's default setting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I beg you: Please, one of you make an actual point instead of going around in circles like this, or let it drop. I made a point. I asked for his reasons why Zune HD is vastly inferior. Three times. A pretty reasonable request, I thought. He responds, Birther. WTF? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: The basic theme that I got from it was, At the very worst it matches iPod Touch, which you like, so what's your real beef? When did Apple introduce the iPod Touch that you are comparing the as yet unreleased Zune HD to? Reviewers are already commenting that HD is false advertising. To display HD it requires a dock (sold separately) and an HD TV (also sold separately). So typically M$ to launch a new product with a lie. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It's easy...yer a birther..a pinhead, a neocon drone. You lack any skills of perception, you listen to rush, to hannity and oreilly. You aren't worth commenting on, the question itself lacks merit because YOU do. Nevermind he can't back up a thing he says and that's why the name calling starts. You birther. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: I beg you: Please, one of you make an actual point instead of going around in circles like this, or let it drop. I made a point. I asked for his reasons why Zune HD is vastly inferior. Three times. A pretty reasonable request, I thought. He responds, Birther. WTF? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Name one instance where MS was first with something. I'll wait. Does it have to be legal? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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All those damn HDTV vendors! LIARS! They sell their so called HDTV's with NO content and NO way to play HD unless you freakin BUY a blu ray player or purchase sat/cable HD. What liars! On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:11 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 8, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: The basic theme that I got from it was, At the very worst it matches iPod Touch, which you like, so what's your real beef? When did Apple introduce the iPod Touch that you are comparing the as yet unreleased Zune HD to? Reviewers are already commenting that HD is false advertising. To display HD it requires a dock (sold separately) and an HD TV (also sold separately). So typically M$ to launch a new product with a lie. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Want to talk about lairs? Went to my cable providers website this week. Saw an ad advertising 10mps cable Internet service for 39.95. I called up their chat feature to see about getting this service for 39.95 and was told I could not have it at that price it would cost me 54.95 a month. That is for new installs only! It is rampant and all over the place and the FTC does not crack down on it. Stewart At 03:30 PM 8/8/2009, you wrote: All those damn HDTV vendors! LIARS! They sell their so called HDTV's with NO content and NO way to play HD unless you freakin BUY a blu ray player or purchase sat/cable HD. What liars! Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Reviewers are already commenting that HD is false advertising. To display HD it requires a dock (sold separately) and an HD TV (also sold separately). There's an app for that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It is interesting that in your mind interface is at worst just fine translates into matches iPod touch. To me though, it says that the interface is manageable with a connotation that it is not great, which matches the impressions I've gathered. But you are right that I should've let Mike speak for himself, and state my own opinions. As for the points you made for the Zune HD, I could address them, but suffice it to say that it really does seem to me that while the Zune HD may have some points in its favor over the current generation of iPhones/Touch, they will not be nearly enough to be any kind of game changer (even assuming that Apple waits a while to update its line, which it won't). From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com But consider the case Mike made for the Zune, a few posts back. If it was cited in an advertisement, it would read something like: Mike says: 'superior processor' . 'interface is at worst just fine'. 'what is there to complain about except lateness issue?' (Exact quotes, and I tried to not to change his meaning.) Would that endorsement make you or anyone else want to go out and buy one? Of course not, but that wasn't the intent of Mike's message. If it had been, it would've listed HD radio, HD video, OLED screen, Marketplace/Xbox connectivity, full WiFi, lower price, etc. The message was responding to negative comments. The basic theme that I got from it was, At the very worst it matches iPod Touch, which you like, so what's your real beef? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Reviewers are already commenting that HD is false advertising. To display HD it requires a dock (sold separately) and an HD TV (also sold separately). So typically M$ to launch a new product with a lie. Sort of like an HD video player. I've heard you need a TV for those too. Still no list of reasons. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I wasn't giving a review of the unit when I said that. My point was that the worst that could be said about it is, that it's just fine. My point being that only Tom in his hatred of MS could say the zune interface is an abortion. Anyone with an open mind and common sense could see the interface and see that it has no glaring problems. The zune has come far enough the only thing keeping it down is the sheer power of the name brand ipod. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:00 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: It is interesting that in your mind interface is at worst just fine translates into matches iPod touch. To me though, it says that the interface is manageable with a connotation that it is not great, which matches the impressions I've gathered. But you are right that I should've let Mike speak for himself, and state my own opinions. As for the points you made for the Zune HD, I could address them, but suffice it to say that it really does seem to me that while the Zune HD may have some points in its favor over the current generation of iPhones/Touch, they will not be nearly enough to be any kind of game changer (even assuming that Apple waits a while to update its line, which it won't). From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com But consider the case Mike made for the Zune, a few posts back. If it was cited in an advertisement, it would read something like: Mike says: 'superior processor' . 'interface is at worst just fine'. 'what is there to complain about except lateness issue?' (Exact quotes, and I tried to not to change his meaning.) Would that endorsement make you or anyone else want to go out and buy one? Of course not, but that wasn't the intent of Mike's message. If it had been, it would've listed HD radio, HD video, OLED screen, Marketplace/Xbox connectivity, full WiFi, lower price, etc. The message was responding to negative comments. The basic theme that I got from it was, At the very worst it matches iPod Touch, which you like, so what's your real beef? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brutal Zune Review..and on to winmo
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:22 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I've read that M$ is giving away loads of Zune HDs to industry bloggers and writers. That will no doubt generate lots of sycophantic stories for you to quote. Proving nothing. Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: It's nice to know you've already decided to not believe any reviews of the product, makes it so you won't have to read any...not that you would, or even touch the device once it is out. This makes life so easy on you I imagine..no actual thought needed. Fits your MO. Check that pal! He's already decided to not believe any *positive* reviews of the Zune. Negative reviews will be spewed forth with reckless abandon to prove his point. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It is interesting that in your mind interface is at worst just fine translates into matches iPod touch. To me though, it says that the interface is manageable with a connotation that it is not great, which matches the impressions I've gathered Actually, most of the reviews I've read really like the interface. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brutal Zune Review..and on to winmo
It is interesting that in your mind interface is at worst just fine translates into matches iPod touch. To me though, it says that the interface is manageable with a connotation that it is not great, which matches the impressions I've gathered. But you are right that I should've let Mike speak for himself, and state my own opinions. If it's anything like the current Zune interface, it will be very nice and easy to navigate. From the videos that I've seen, it looks very similar, but with additional options and improved graphics. As for the points you made for the Zune HD, I could address them, but suffice it to say that it really does seem to me that while the Zune HD may have some points in its favor over the current generation of iPhones/Touch, they will not be nearly enough to be any kind of game changer (even assuming that Apple waits a while to update its line, which it won't). Having owned both, I can say that the Zune is technologically superior and a better design than the iPod. The HD model is extending that superiority even further. But yeah, the iPod is the 8000 lb gorilla on the block. No games will be changed, but you will have another option to use. You don't have to depend on the iHegemony. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 6:19 PM, mike wrote: My point being that only Tom in his hatred of MS could say the zune interface is an abortion. Except that Tom did not say that. Otherwise you are fine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brutal Zune Review..and on to winmo
Speaking of, MS is apparently zune-ifying windows mobile. It can't be any worse then the current os, I've seen a few vids online of the new OS, it looks nice. Basically the home screen is like zune's and the internal screens are larger so you can toss the damn stylus and use that one your were born with. With the velocity of the iphone and the early adoption of android, will this late comer make a dent in the mobile handset market? On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Zune HD Sounds Like a Winner - If it Had Been Announced in August 2007 http://www.mediabistro.com/mobilecontenttoday/hardware/ zune_hd_sounds_like_a_winner_if_it_had_been_announced_in_august_2007_123 532.asp An iPod snob waving his hanky and sniffing at the riff-raff. Oh yeah, savage. Maybe he'll actually touch one, one day. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
