Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-11 Thread Judy Cosler

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Richard P. wrote:

Any recommendations for scheduled data backup software for Windows XP?
Free would be good too.

Thanks in advance,

Richard P.


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-11 Thread Tony B
Now that you've heard what everyone else does, if you actually want
any specific help you're going to have to tell us a lot more about
what it is you do, and what it is you want backed up.

e.g. I don't back up *anything* on the wife's laptop, but her emails
are all via Yahoo, so they're already backed up in the cloud. OTOH,
the office machine that runs Quickbooks and keeps two important
company databases is backed up daily to the cloud (specifically,
Amazon via Jungledisk). My own machine, used primarily for
development, images the C drive daily to a second drive.

All three methods have already been described, but which one is right
for you just depends on what the machine in question is doing. Note
that no backup method will ever prevent you from having to reinstall
your OS occasionally, so don't bother trying to reach for that lofty
goal.


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-11 Thread Richard P.
You raise good points. The backup would essentially be for only My
Documents although at some point I would like to start backing up the
image on a daily basis too. Never planned on trying to backup the
operating system. It's too much fun reinstalling it :)

Richard P.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Now that you've heard what everyone else does, if you actually want
 any specific help you're going to have to tell us a lot more about
 what it is you do, and what it is you want backed up.

 e.g. I don't back up *anything* on the wife's laptop, but her emails
 are all via Yahoo, so they're already backed up in the cloud. OTOH,
 the office machine that runs Quickbooks and keeps two important
 company databases is backed up daily to the cloud (specifically,
 Amazon via Jungledisk). My own machine, used primarily for
 development, images the C drive daily to a second drive.

 All three methods have already been described, but which one is right
 for you just depends on what the machine in question is doing. Note
 that no backup method will ever prevent you from having to reinstall
 your OS occasionally, so don't bother trying to reach for that lofty
 goal.


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-11 Thread mike
Acronis is an option for backing up everything including OS.  I have several
images at different stages made by acronis I keep on ext drives.  My system
is back up and running with all programs in about ten minutes.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 All three methods have already been described, but which one is right
 for you just depends on what the machine in question is doing. Note
 that no backup method will ever prevent you from having to reinstall
 your OS occasionally, so don't bother trying to reach for that lofty
 goal.




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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-11 Thread Tony B
Oh, I didn't mean to imply your C: image wouldn't include your OS. I
just didn't want you to think you would _never_ have to reinstall an
OS. The trick is partitioning your C drive small enough to hold
everything you need on a daily basis as well as all your documents.
Currently, I do around 50gb for C. My Games, Music, Videos, and Adobe
 Office suites go to a different partition.

Having evaluated both, I prefer Ghost over Acronis, as it's more
versatile. Worth the extra $20 or so.


On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote:
 You raise good points. The backup would essentially be for only My
 Documents although at some point I would like to start backing up the
 image on a daily basis too. Never planned on trying to backup the
 operating system. It's too much fun reinstalling it :)

 Richard P.

 On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote:
 Now that you've heard what everyone else does, if you actually want
 any specific help you're going to have to tell us a lot more about
 what it is you do, and what it is you want backed up.

 e.g. I don't back up *anything* on the wife's laptop, but her emails
 are all via Yahoo, so they're already backed up in the cloud. OTOH,
 the office machine that runs Quickbooks and keeps two important
 company databases is backed up daily to the cloud (specifically,
 Amazon via Jungledisk). My own machine, used primarily for
 development, images the C drive daily to a second drive.

 All three methods have already been described, but which one is right
 for you just depends on what the machine in question is doing. Note
 that no backup method will ever prevent you from having to reinstall
 your OS occasionally, so don't bother trying to reach for that lofty
 goal.


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-11 Thread gerald
a lot of people back up to a single external drive.  i think this not a good 
idea.  i have not had good luck with external drive reliability.  if possible, 
back up to cd's or dvd's and grandfather them.  for my company, we did a backup 
every day just before closing.  used append feature.  dated each cd or dvd.  
stacked them back on the spindle as they filled.  

last year the state of Texas sent me a love note for not paying sales tax(my 
company is in MD) for the past 7 or 8 years for $110,000 plus about another 
100k in penalties.  went back to 1999.  i then got a bill from texas for 
another 110k for not paying franchise fees.  oh, and 100k in penalties.   by 
the time it was all said and done, texas wanted half a mil from me.

i dug out the spindles, created year end data, customer lists, etc for 
1999-2007.  hired a couple texas lawyers, and went about defending self.  could 
not have done it without the backups.

could not do it if i backed up external.  data would be long gone.

backups were on win98, 2000 and xp.  all were recoverable with backup my pc 
to xp.  this is very difficult if you used MS win 98 and win 2000 backup.  i do 
not think they talk to win xp backup.



At 04:51 PM 12/10/2008, you wrote:
Any recommendations for scheduled data backup software for Windows XP?
Free would be good too.

Thanks in advance,

Richard P.


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-11 Thread b_s-wilk

You raise good points. The backup would essentially be for only My
Documents although at some point I would like to start backing up the
image on a daily basis too. Never planned on trying to backup the
operating system. It's too much fun reinstalling it :)


Aren't settings and preferences in the OS directory? How about serial # 
registrations for your software? It's a real pain to reinstall the OS 
AND all the programs AND finding the serial numbers to make them work.


Leaving any data, software, etc. in only one place, locally or remotely 
is a guarantee that one day, some or all of it will be lost. I like 
living dangerously, but losing essential data is crossing the line. I 
store critical info in several places in the cloud [where did that 
come from?] as well as locally. Everything else is like my travel 
philosophy: I carry one overnight bag. Anything I lose or don't have, I 
either don't need or can find as I go, but I do have 
lists/links/accounts that I can use, just in case.


Betty


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-11 Thread Tony B
You are incorrect. In my own case, my tax records for years are kept
in My Documents, and are imaged along with my whole C partition. The
most paranoid only need two drives - swap them every month, and keep
one off the premises. These drives are cheap these days, so I agree
nobody should only have one backup drive.

Optical media is still good for archiving the big stuff, but until I
can fit my C drive on one disk again, hard drives are just lots
_easier_.


On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 1:33 PM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote:
 a lot of people back up to a single external drive.  i think this not a good 
 idea.  i have not had good luck with external drive reliability.  if 
 possible, back up to cd's or dvd's and grandfather them.  for my company, we 
 did a backup every day just before closing.  used append feature.  dated each 
 cd or dvd.  stacked them back on the spindle as they filled.

 last year the state of Texas sent me a love note for not paying sales tax(my 
 company is in MD) for the past 7 or 8 years for $110,000 plus about another 
 100k in penalties.  went back to 1999.  i then got a bill from texas for 
 another 110k for not paying franchise fees.  oh, and 100k in penalties.   by 
 the time it was all said and done, texas wanted half a mil from me.

 i dug out the spindles, created year end data, customer lists, etc for 
 1999-2007.  hired a couple texas lawyers, and went about defending self.  
 could not have done it without the backups.

 could not do it if i backed up external.  data would be long gone.


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[CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-10 Thread Richard P.
Any recommendations for scheduled data backup software for Windows XP?
Free would be good too.

Thanks in advance,

Richard P.


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-10 Thread gerald
i like backup my pc by stomp. it is the old seagate-veritas-stomp now migo 
that has been updated.  I think 2005 is the latest version.should be cheap. 
 it does say NOT that it works on vista. i have not tried it on vista.  i think 
stomp disappeared.

hold the presses...MIGO just came out with 
http://www.migosoftware.com/store/pc-backup8.html?SourceID=PCBACKUP_storehomepage_ShowCase3
  backup pro 10

there may be a better product out by now, but backup my pc 2005 did an 
excellent job for me for years and made program transfers very easy.

using cheap backup software is like trying to impress someone with a cheap date.

if you think you will want to transfer your data to Vista some day within the 
next couple of years, i would recommend you find a package that works on both 
xp and vista.

At 04:51 PM 12/10/2008, you wrote:
Any recommendations for scheduled data backup software for Windows XP?
Free would be good too.

Thanks in advance,

Richard P.


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-10 Thread Ellen Rains Harris

What's wrong with the built-in backup?

I've never lost anything using it (knock wood).


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Any recommendations for scheduled data backup software for Windows XP?
Free would be good too.

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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-10 Thread Sue Cubic

At 05:30 PM 12/10/2008 -0500, Ellen Rains Harris wrote

What's wrong with the built-in backup?

I've never lost anything using it (knock wood).


I think the issue is...what would you do if your computer totally 
crashed.  Your built-in backup wouldn't work then.  If you want a true 
back-up you need to have it somewhere off of the machine you're backing up.


Sue


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Re: [CGUYS] Computer backup software

2008-12-10 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Acronis True Image Home.

Will do backups, clone, copy etc.  Very good all around program.

Use it at church to do an incremental backup after having done a full 
back up.  External USB drive.


Stewart


At 06:07 PM 12/10/2008, you wrote:

At 05:30 PM 12/10/2008 -0500, Ellen Rains Harris wrote

What's wrong with the built-in backup?

I've never lost anything using it (knock wood).


I think the issue is...what would you do if your computer totally 
crashed.  Your built-in backup wouldn't work then.  If you want a 
true back-up you need to have it somewhere off of the machine you're 
backing up.


Sue


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Re: [CGUYS] computer backup software

2008-12-10 Thread Rich Schinnell

At 06:28 PM 12/10/2008, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote:

Date:Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:51:08 -0500
From:Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Computer backup software





Any recommendations for scheduled data backup software for Windows XP?
Free would be good too.

Thanks in advance,

Richard P.


I have been using an on-line service called MOZYPRO for several of my small
business clients. I sleep comfortably at night knowing that their 
data is safe and available if a disaster strikes.


They have a FREE version for home users to backup their computer over 
the internet to Mozy, limited to 2 gigabytes of data. Mozyhome free 
is a good and cheap option.

It will give you a warm fuzzy when it is done.

 www.mozy.com  is where you can start.

Mozyhome has an ..All you can Eat.. for $4.95 per month for your home 
computer. Mozy supports Microsoft Windows 2000, XP, and Vista, and 
Apple Mac OS X 10.4 or higher.


All of this backup is done when your computer is not busy, I plan all 
my clients computer servers to backup at 1am in the morning.


Rich
I don't own stock, just use their program for several of my clients.


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