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Brilliant matchbox tutorial, why can't everything digital be explained with this level of lucidity? Thanks, Betty --- On Fri, 1/30/09, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Scanned To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 8:03 PM Chad Czech, Slovak, Hungarian, Polish, Lithuanian are all included in Mac international keyboards. I think they need to be Unicode CE fonts othewise all the diacriticals may not display. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Glad to provide some clarity. Now, will you find us a place to stay in Praha? HAHAHA [and a translator] Betty Brilliant matchbox tutorial, why can't everything digital be explained with this level of lucidity? Thanks, Betty --- On Fri, 1/30/09, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Scanned To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 8:03 PM Chad Czech, Slovak, Hungarian, Polish, Lithuanian are all included in Mac international keyboards. I think they need to be Unicode CE fonts othewise all the diacriticals may not display. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Hey I might know some folks there who could help you! If your translation is the same one I had gotten. Stewart At 01:05 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Glad to provide some clarity. Now, will you find us a place to stay in Praha? HAHAHA [and a translator] Betty Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have another take on the .pdf's, and take some issue with Tom. I have scanned my letterhead to a pretty high resolution .tif file. I can then type in photoshop my correspondance, then convert to .pdf - clunky, but it works. Files go from 37mb down to a manageable 500kb for e-mail. I am therefore sending a text document that starts as a graphic, and looks great on the screen - even prints well. This also is a way to preserve foreign diacriticals. Which brings up a problem I've had: my Acrobat resists copying those diacriticals from webpages; I've tried through Distiller to get them into the program, without luck. Would appreciate any advice on this. You probably have font problems. When I create PDFs from Adobe InDesign, one of the choices is to embed the fonts. I think that Apple's Print to PDF embeds fonts by default. I've had problems with Distiller, mostly because there were too many check boxes to remember. Haven't used it in a long time, but suggest to be very careful which choices you select. Using InDesign or other PostScript layout program is helpful, but it's possible to save the letterhead as a PDF [with embedded preview] then use it as a background in a word processor like Word or Pages, instead of Photoshop [the image in the word processor will be a JPEG]. Photoshop rasterizes fonts rather than embedding font data, i.e. they're pictures of fonts only in the size they are on in that file, rather than the actual fonts. InDesign will embed font data for all sizes of the font in less KB/MB than the picture of the fonts. Do you need InDesign for your business? Maybe, if it's important to send your images to make them look their best. That can be done by creating the file with InDesign, and exporting to PDF. I prefer Quark XPress, but it's much more expensive, and extremely user hostile, although with excellent results. InDesign will always look better than any word processor or files created in Photoshop, and natively exports PDFs. Which diacriticals do you need? [need umlaut, cedilla accent, circumflex, kroužek,, caron, etc?] Install the fonts for the language you want to display/embed. If you use a Mac, its in the International system prefs, although many diacriticals are in standard fonts. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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When I create PDFs from Adobe InDesign, one of the choices is to embed the fonts. I think that Apple's Print to PDF embeds fonts by default. Not to be a dittohead, but with so much said on this topic I feel compelled to say the Betty knows what she is talking about. No voodoo here! Thanks. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Now this is example of why I hang with the list, overlooking the bloviating discussion that seems to have overwhelmed the original exchange of information. I have rushed to my InDesign disc, to learn these features, many thanks, Betty. Image quality was really fine with my voodoo improvisation in Photoshop, but this promises to be even better. The diacritical requirements are the háček, etc, of Czech and Slovak, plus correspondence with Hungarian, Polish, Lithuanian accents needed. On the matter of battery life in mobil phones, you are dead-on: overseas, my batteries last forever, here, they deplete rapidly. Thanks for a cogent analysis of our sad-sack wireless situation (fewer bars in more places). --- On Fri, 1/30/09, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Scanned To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 2:32 PM When I create PDFs from Adobe InDesign, one of the choices is to embed the fonts. I think that Apple's Print to PDF embeds fonts by default. I've had problems with Distiller, mostly because there were too many check boxes to remember. Haven't used it in a long time, but suggest to be very careful which choices you select. Using InDesign or other PostScript layout program is helpful, but it's possible to save the letterhead as a PDF [with embedded preview] then use it as a background in a word processor like Word or Pages, instead of Photoshop [the image in the word processor will be a JPEG]. Photoshop rasterizes fonts rather than embedding font data, i.e. they're pictures of fonts only in the size they are on in that file, rather than the actual fonts. InDesign will embed font data for all sizes of the font in less KB/MB than the picture of the fonts. Do you need InDesign for your business? Maybe, if it's important to send your images to make them look their best. That can be done by creating the file with InDesign, and exporting to PDF. I prefer Quark XPress, but it's much more expensive, and extremely user hostile, although with excellent results. InDesign will always look better than any word processor or files created in Photoshop, and natively exports PDFs. Which diacriticals do you need? [need umlaut, cedilla accent, circumflex, kroužek,, caron, etc?] Install the fonts for the language you want to display/embed. If you use a Mac, its in the International system prefs, although many diacriticals are in standard fonts. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Where I live I do not have a problem with battery life. Also if you read ATT's ad real close they will say that the more bars in more places really means world wide not US specific. A little misleading. Stewart At 05:17 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote: Now this is example of why I hang with the list, overlooking the bloviating discussion that seems to have overwhelmed the original exchange of information. I have rushed to my InDesign disc, to learn these features, many thanks, Betty. Image quality was really fine with my voodoo improvisation in Photoshop, but this promises to be even better. The diacritical requirements are the háèek, etc, of Czech and Slovak, plus correspondence with Hungarian, Polish, Lithuanian accents needed. On the matter of battery life in mobil phones, you are dead-on: overseas, my batteries last forever, here, they deplete rapidly. Thanks for a cogent analysis of our sad-sack wireless situation (fewer bars in more places). Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Now this is example of why I hang with the list, overlooking the bloviating discussion that seems to have overwhelmed the original exchange of information. I have rushed to my InDesign disc, to learn these features, many thanks, Betty. Image quality was really fine with my voodoo improvisation in Photoshop, but this promises to be even better. The diacritical requirements are the háček, etc, of Czech and Slovak, plus correspondence with Hungarian, Polish, Lithuanian accents needed. On the matter of battery life in mobil phones, you are dead-on: overseas, my batteries last forever, here, they deplete rapidly. Thanks for a cogent analysis of our sad-sack wireless situation (fewer bars in more places). Chad Czech, Slovak, Hungarian, Polish, Lithuanian are all included in Mac international keyboards. I think they need to be Unicode CE fonts othewise all the diacriticals may not display. When you create a file with InDesign, you need to be sure the language fonts are embedded. Use TIFF for images in InDesign files. You don't need to insert images in InDesign, only low res placeholders, but you have to be sure that the links are good, otherwise the low-res images will be all you see. Embedding the images will make a much larger file, but it will also guarantee WYSIWYG for your output. For PDF or other file that will be printed, colors should be CMYK. To view only online or on the computer you can set your colors to RGB. I like to see the little flags in the menu. Simple keyboard commands change languages. Default is Command+Spacebar to change languages, but I changed it to Option+Command+Spacebar, since it conflicts with Spotlight and some Adobe commands. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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PDF is a vector format derived from PostScript. If you had the original document file, not a scan, then saving it into PDF would be a good idea. The PDF would contain the font information, the text (coded as ASCII or UTF), and geometry infomation about how the text is positioned on the page. While a PDF can contain another file format, like TIFF or JPEG, you are not accomplishing anything useful by doing that. You are just wrapping one file format around a different file format. Double wrapping may be good for the freezer, but for digital data it accomplishes nothing useful. You're overthinking this exercise. Perhaps to you, a graphics person, this data is important. To the average user who just needs the document, they don't care about this metadata if they expect it in read-only form. I haven't cared a bit about the font information in any contract or other form I've received as a pdf and no one has ever complained about a scanned pdf I've sent them. They just want what's in the document itself. It's a good, compact and portable format that most people know what to do with. Few people outside of graphics departments have encountered a tiff; even fewer know what to do with it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Of course, now that Adobe has opened up the pdf format, this may change. But for now, it's just not an editing format. I agree that PDF is not an editing format. But it was never really intended to be, it was intended to be a fixed presentation format. Also, while it is only recently that PDF became a published ISO open standard, it has been open since soon after its inception. The first version of Acrobat did not sell well and had stiff competition, so Adobe gave away Acrobat Reader and granted royalty free use to anyone who made applications to read or edit PDF documents as a way to sell more copies of Acrobat. This is why OS X has been able to have a built-in PDF engine from the beginning, and why OpenOffice, StarOffice, and TeX mathematical typesetting applications have had the ability to write their output to PDF for quite a while now. OS X's print to PDF feature is great, by the way. I use it regularly when sending documents that the recipient doesn't need to edit because that way I don't have to worry whether or not they can read it. Leopard gained the ability for PDF's to have working hyperlinks, at least for PDF's produced from Apple applications. I know it's not as good as Acrobat, but it's good enough for me, and it's free with the OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have another take on the .pdf's, and take some issue with Tom. I have scanned my letterhead to a pretty high resolution .tif file. I can then type in photoshop my correspondance, then convert to .pdf - clunky, but it works. Files go from 37mb down to a manageable 500kb for e-mail. I am therefore sending a text document that starts as a graphic, and looks great on the screen - even prints well. This also is a way to preserve foreign diacriticals. Which brings up a problem I've had: my Acrobat resists copying those diacriticals from webpages; I've tried through Distiller to get them into the program, without luck. Would appreciate any advice on this. --- On Thu, 1/29/09, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Scanned To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 8:33 AM PDF is a vector format derived from PostScript. If you had the original document file, not a scan, then saving it into PDF would be a good idea. The PDF would contain the font information, the text (coded as ASCII or UTF), and geometry infomation about how the text is positioned on the page. While a PDF can contain another file format, like TIFF or JPEG, you are not accomplishing anything useful by doing that. You are just wrapping one file format around a different file format. Double wrapping may be good for the freezer, but for digital data it accomplishes nothing useful. You're overthinking this exercise. Perhaps to you, a graphics person, this data is important. To the average user who just needs the document, they don't care about this metadata if they expect it in read-only form. I haven't cared a bit about the font information in any contract or other form I've received as a pdf and no one has ever complained about a scanned pdf I've sent them. They just want what's in the document itself. It's a good, compact and portable format that most people know what to do with. Few people outside of graphics departments have encountered a tiff; even fewer know what to do with it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have another take on the .pdf's, and take some issue with Tom. I have scanned my letterhead to a pretty high resolution .tif file. I can then type in photoshop my correspondance, then convert to .pdf - clunky, but it works. Files go from 37mb down to a manageable 500kb for e-mail. I am therefore sending a text document that starts as a graphic, and looks great on the screen - even prints well. This also is a way to preserve foreign diacriticals. Here we return to a science vs sorcery situation. Files go from 37mb down to a manageable 500kb means that you have converted the scan to a lossy, highly compressed JPEG. Acrobat's default settings will do this so converting to PDF has this side effect. You could have just as well created a JPEG using a variety of other programs. Science give us control over our environment. Sorcery has us painting our faces blue to keep our computers from crashing. Which brings up a problem I've had: my Acrobat resists copying those diacriticals from webpages; I've tried through Distiller to get them into the program, without luck. Would appreciate any advice on this. You probably have font problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It's a good, compact and portable format that most people know what to do with. Few people outside of graphics departments have encountered a tiff; even fewer know what to do with it. So when you have a computer problem do you simply conclude that the gods are no longer smiling and you have to go buy a new computer? This list is about finding out how things work or don't work in order to get a solution. If you don't know about scanner file formats you will never be in control over what happens. This list is not about being stupid. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 09:55 AM 1/29/2009, chad evans wyatt wrote: I have another take on the .pdf's, and take some issue with Tom. I have scanned my letterhead to a pretty high resolution .tif file. I can then type in photoshop my correspondance, then convert to .pdf - clunky, but it works. Files go from 37mb down to a manageable 500kb for e-mail. I am therefore sending a text document that starts as a graphic, and looks great on the screen - even prints well. This also is a way to preserve foreign diacriticals. Which brings up a problem I've had: my Acrobat resists copying those diacriticals from webpages; I've tried through Distiller to get them into the program, without luck. Would appreciate any advice on this. I don't have an answer, but it's probably a Windows problem. What typefaces does Adobe have/recognize? Is the typeface in the Adobe document identical to the typeface used in the web page? Can you get them identical with a setting somewhere? If the typeface that Adobe has used as a substitute for the typeface used in creating the original web page doesn't have the diacriticals in its stable of characters, then the problem you describe is likely to occur. I.e., don't try to import individual characters, try to import a typeface that has the necessary individual characters in its character set. You not only have to import the graphic of the required character, but you would have to assign the correct Unicode value to it. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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OS X's print to PDF feature is great, by the way. I use it regularly when sending documents that the recipient doesn't need to edit because that way I don't have to worry whether or not they can read it. Leopard gained the ability for PDF's to have working hyperlinks, at least for PDF's produced from Apple applications. I know it's not as good as Acrobat, but it's good enough for me, and it's free with the OS. Office 2007 has this feature now, as a free add-on. It's great to have this option, as we've depended on PDFCreator until now. What's even nicer is that it seems to be a better engine than the open-source PDFCreator. I had someone who had created a ~90 MB Word 2003 document, filled with photos. It took about 10 minutes for PDFCreator to create a 25 MB pdf, while Word 2007 knocked it down to about 3 MB in about 20 seconds. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This list is not about being stupid. I couldn't agree more. Doing things the way we've always done it and expecting everyone else to conform to your expectations is quite stupid. I prefer to use what works for non-techies so they can go about their day, unconcerned with the sausage making, rather than what the self-proclaimed experts deem the right way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Save to PDF?, was Re: [CGUYS] Scanned
Do you mean Save as PDF ? When I last used this feature on a Pages version 3.0.2 wp document, it saved the PDF in a hug font, larger than the original Pages wp document. I thought pdfs were to preserve the look of the original. What did I do wrong? OS X's print to PDF feature is great, by the way. I use it regularly when sending documents that the recipient doesn't need to edit because that way I don't have to worry whether or not they can read it. Leopard gained the ability for PDF's to have working hyperlinks, at least for PDF's produced from Apple applications. I know it's not as good as Acrobat, but it's good enough for me, and it's free with the OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I prefer to use what works for non-techies so they can go about their day, unconcerned with the sausage making, rather than what the self-proclaimed experts deem the right way. At least you are consistent. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom Piwowar wrote: This list is not about being stupid. Damn! I knew I was in the wrong place! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yeah, I got the PDF add-on for my older Office distribution at the same time I got the add-on for opening the newer Office formats. I'm guessing that they did this because OpenOffice has had a PDF feature for a while now. Competition is good! Speaking of the new Office formats, I thought that one reason for moving to them was that they were less prone to corruption. Yet I just got a collection of about 24 *.docx files (originally a plain text questionnaire that apparently everyone filled out in Word), and one of them was unreadable. OS X's print to PDF feature is great, by the way. I use it regularly when sending documents that the recipient doesn't need to edit because that way I don't have to worry whether or not they can read it. Leopard gained the ability for PDF's to have working hyperlinks, at least for PDF's produced from Apple applications. I know it's not as good as Acrobat, but it's good enough for me, and it's free with the OS. Office 2007 has this feature now, as a free add-on. It's great to have this option, as we've depended on PDFCreator until now. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes, I meant the Save as PDF… option on the Print dialog box. Calling it Print to PDF is fairly common, I think, unless my memory betrays me. As to the problem you had, the save as PDF option has always worked properly for me, but for some reason Preview will sometimes open up PDFs with a high magnification setting if the autoscale preference is selected. Could this be what happened to you? If so, the fix is to choose the preferences setting to open PDFs at 100% scaling. Do you mean Save as PDF ? When I last used this feature on a Pages version 3.0.2 wp document, it saved the PDF in a hug font, larger than the original Pages wp document. I thought pdfs were to preserve the look of the original. What did I do wrong? OS X's print to PDF feature is great, by the way. I use it regularly when sending documents that the recipient doesn't need to edit because that way I don't have to worry whether or not they can read it. Leopard gained the ability for PDF's to have working hyperlinks, at least for PDF's produced from Apple applications. I know it's not as good as Acrobat, but it's good enough for me, and it's free with the OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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An honor to be dope-slapped. Equal opportunity. You did see the file reduction, right? Of course I tried .jpg compression first, but that printed very badly @500kb. I wanted a file that would both reduce, but print well, if needed. .pdf conversion worked, trial and error, not sorcery. I haven't conceptual skill to prefigure in computer matters, I'm just a simple photographer. My objective only is something that works for me. Thanks for the advice, however, for the opinion that I have font problems. Guess I knew that, why I wrote. Should have said that I am Mac OSX. I want to thank Fred for offering advice about working my problem in the PC environment, instructive nonetheless. You could have just as well created a JPEG using a variety of other programs. Science give us control over our environment. Sorcery has us painting our faces blue to keep our computers from crashing. Which brings up a problem I've had: my Acrobat resists copying those diacriticals from webpages; I've tried through Distiller to get them into the program, without luck. Would appreciate any advice on this. You probably have font problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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An honor to be dope-slapped. Equal opportunity. You did see the file reduction, right? Of course I tried .jpg compression first, but that printed very badly @500kb. I wanted a file that would both reduce, but print well, if needed. .pdf conversion worked, trial and error, not sorcery. Trial and error. Maybe I should have contrasted alchemy and chemistry, but the point is the same. Acrobat achieves compression of TIFFs by converting them to JPEGs. There are many possible settings for creating a good and small JPEG. To do it right you need to understand JPEGs. So by trial and error you got something working using Acrobat, but what happens when Acrobat starts working differently or when a cleint asks for something different? Thanks for the advice, however, for the opinion that I have font problems. Without details there is little more to say. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Awcrap ...and I thought I was among peers !! Silly me !! -Original Message- From: Jordan [mailto:jor17...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Scanned Tom Piwowar wrote: This list is not about being stupid. Damn! I knew I was in the wrong place! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.com escribió: An honor to be dope-slapped. Equal opportunity. You did see the file reduction, right? Of course I tried .jpg compression first, but that printed very badly @500kb. I wanted a file that would both reduce, but print well, if needed. .pdf conversion worked, trial and error, not sorcery. I haven't conceptual skill to prefigure in computer matters, I'm just a simple photographer. My objective only is something that works for me. Thanks for the advice, however, for the opinion that I have font problems. Guess I knew that, why I wrote. Should have said that I am Mac OSX. I want to thank Fred for offering advice about working my problem in the PC environment, instructive nonetheless. For email I usually scan text at 150 dpi. Then I convert the text JPEG to PDF in Photoshop, or Preview, or from the Print dialog box. Very clear, easy to read, clear enough to run through OCR. For photos I'll often post them online with a thumbnail linked to a much larger file so the thumbnail is clear, and the 600+ dpi photo can be easily downloaded. That way I avoid emailing huge files, since I hate it when people email huge files to me, too. I use TIFFs for printed materials, but not for email or web. Too big, not compatible. Designed for printing, not for Internet. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Damn! I knew I was in the wrong place! I guess that proves you are not stupid. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 03:30 PM 1/27/2009, Marcio V. Pinheiro wrote: I scanned a document and all went well. I sent it by e-mail as attachment but it arrived in a large size not only filling the whole e-mail page but going much beyond (jpeg). How can I email the documento in a size that fits the page? Many thanks Marcio The size the recipient will see depends on the screen resolution of the recipient's computer, so one has to know that to get the size right. Generally, the picture will display natively on the recipient's computer in the recipient's e-mail client. The recipient should right-click on the picture received, and then select save image as . . or similar option, to save the image to a file. Then the recipient should open the file in whatever application he/she uses to view/edit pictures -- which generally can resize the loaded image for display purposes. That being said, let's assume that a resolution of 400 x 300 pixels (adjust for aspect ratio) will do pretty well on most computers. It needs to be small enough to display in the message window of the mail client; don't use the full screen resolution of the recipient. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'm with Jeff on this. It may not be the most efficient method, but my scanner creates a jpeg which I print to a pdf doc. I then attach that to an email message. For the print/conversion from jpeg to pdf, I use PDFCreator http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yeah, but it's a document; PDF was made for documents. We don't know if it needs to be edited or not. That's right, but from that point you veer into wrongness. A scanned image is a bunch of pixels, a raster image. The basic file format for this is TIFF. You can compress the TIFF with something like lossless LZW, or for extreme compression use a lossy format, usually JPEG. PDF is a vector format derived from PostScript. If you had the original document file, not a scan, then saving it into PDF would be a good idea. The PDF would contain the font information, the text (coded as ASCII or UTF), and geometry infomation about how the text is positioned on the page. While a PDF can contain another file format, like TIFF or JPEG, you are not accomplishing anything useful by doing that. You are just wrapping one file format around a different file format. Double wrapping may be good for the freezer, but for digital data it accomplishes nothing useful. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Alas, the OP got booted from the list just as we all tried to find out what he was really trying to accomplish. Perhaps he'll take the time to look through the archives, then get back to us. No point in arguing file formats until we know what he's doing. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Yeah, but it's a document; PDF was made for documents. We don't know if it needs to be edited or not. That's right, but from that point you veer into wrongness. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I scanned a document and all went well. I sent it by e-mail as attachment but it arrived in a large size not only filling the whole e-mail page but going much beyond (jpeg). How can I email the documento in a size that fits the page? Many thanks Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Oh, and generally, you don't want to use jpeg unless photos are involved. For text, .tif is best, especially if you use bw. .gif will also work. Reason is, jpeg really sucks at text. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Marcio V. Pinheiro wefp...@terra.com.br wrote: I scanned a document and all went well. I sent it by e-mail as attachment but it arrived in a large size not only filling the whole e-mail page but going much beyond (jpeg). How can I email the documento in a size that fits the page? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I scanned a document and all went well. I sent it by e-mail as attachment but it arrived in a large size not only filling the whole e-mail page but going much beyond (jpeg). How can I email the documento in a size that fits the page? You can either rescan it at 72dpi or load it into an image editor and adjust the resolution to 72dpi. Also, for documents other than photos, JPEG is not your best option. Use TIFF, GIF, PNG...almost anything other than JPEG. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Your first mistake was in scanning to too high a resolution. You probably had like 300dpi selected. Try 100dpi and the file will right there be 1/3 the size. Also you may be able to scan to black and white, if no color is required. Lastly, you can just resize the image using any photo editor software, or there are many sites online that will do it for free. http://www.google.com/search?q=free+online+photo+resize On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Marcio V. Pinheiro wefp...@terra.com.br wrote: I scanned a document and all went well. I sent it by e-mail as attachment but it arrived in a large size not only filling the whole e-mail page but going much beyond (jpeg). How can I email the documento in a size that fits the page? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I scanned a document and all went well. I sent it by e-mail as attachment but it arrived in a large size not only filling the whole e-mail page but going much beyond (jpeg). How can I email the documento in a size that fits the page? You may not have done anything wrong, except perhaps using JPEG instead of TIFF. Documents are typically scanned at 200 dpi or more. Screen resolution is around 80 dpi. The person who got the email should not be previewing it in the email program. The email program was not designed to do that. They should have opened it in Microsoft Photo Editor or some other program. Such programs can handle a higher-resolution graphic properly. If you were to rescan or downsample the document it would get blurry. Text might no longer be readable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Why is no one suggesting that he send it as a pdf? Is that an option for you Marcio? A good number of the included scanning software I have come across has an OCR app and/or the option to scan as a pdf. -Original Message- You may not have done anything wrong, except perhaps using JPEG instead of TIFF. Documents are typically scanned at 200 dpi or more. Screen resolution is around 80 dpi. The person who got the email should not be previewing it in the email program. The email program was not designed to do that. They should have opened it in Microsoft Photo Editor or some other program. Such programs can handle a higher-resolution graphic properly. If you were to rescan or downsample the document it would get blurry. Text might no longer be readable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I didn't because pdf is more of a _destination_ format than an editing or archival format. Not a good comparison, but I would liken it to scanning an important painting; you wouldn't save it as a jpg, because you would know it may need editing later. Of course, now that Adobe has opened up the pdf format, this may change. But for now, it's just not an editing format. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Why is no one suggesting that he send it as a pdf? Is that an option for you Marcio? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yeah, but it's a document; PDF was made for documents. We don't know if it needs to be edited or not. FWIW, I hate it when people send us documents in tiff format, because: a) the attachment is much larger than it needs to be, taking up useful space in the mailbox and b) I always get the call about how the user can't open it. Not all of our systems have the MS Office Photo Manager set as the default viewer. I like how our Canon networked copier/printers do it. It will scan a doc, convert it to a pdf and email it to you. I then take that pdf and email it to the recipient, rather than fax it. It's faster and I have the message in my email archive for the paper trail if needed. -Original Message- I didn't because pdf is more of a _destination_ format than an editing or archival format. Not a good comparison, but I would liken it to scanning an important painting; you wouldn't save it as a jpg, because you would know it may need editing later. Of course, now that Adobe has opened up the pdf format, this may change. But for now, it's just not an editing format. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Ya, but good thing you don't have to open the darn thing up and spell check it! Virtually impossible with pdfs, unless you have expensive software installed. On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: I like how our Canon networked copier/printers do it. It will scan a doc, convert it to a pdf and email it to you. I then take that pdf and email it to the recipient, rather than fax it. It's faster and I have the message in my email archive for the paper trail if needed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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True that. But, I'm talking about signed documents and the like in hard form. Ya, but good thing you don't have to open the darn thing up and spell check it! Virtually impossible with pdfs, unless you have expensive software installed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
