[CGUYS] Silverlight
Actually, Silverlight is supposed to be an alternative to Adobe's ubiquitous Flash. In fact, it's the *only* alternative, as nobody else has even attempted to offer one. I thought you were all opposed to monopolies and all in favor of alternatives? On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Silverlight is a Johhny-come-lately, mee-too product that MS is now trying to shove down people's throats because we can. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
Tony B wrote: Actually, Silverlight is supposed to be an alternative to Adobe's ubiquitous Flash. In fact, it's the *only* alternative, as nobody else has even attempted to offer one. I thought you were all opposed to monopolies and all in favor of alternatives? Are you naive or just making believe you are naive? We've all seen how MS does things like lure the public in with an alternative to something and then alters it so that it only works for Windows users. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
How about non standard html coding? I have lost track of the number of web apps that will only run on IIS and only work client side on IE. Matthew On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Tony B wrote: Can you name a single example of that? Probably not, because even Windows itself runs just fine on e.g. Macs. Not so for OS X - well, not easily anyway. Silverlight is still fairly new, but it works on all platforms. It's specious to claim that someday in the future when it becomes popular they'll throw some switch and make it only work in Windows. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Tony B wrote: Actually, Silverlight is supposed to be an alternative to Adobe's ubiquitous Flash. In fact, it's the *only* alternative, as nobody else has even attempted to offer one. I thought you were all opposed to monopolies and all in favor of alternatives? Are you naive or just making believe you are naive? We've all seen how MS does things like lure the public in with an alternative to something and then alters it so that it only works for Windows users. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
Can you name a single example of that? Probably not... Java. Even the courts agreed. MS paid $750,000,000 I think. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
These web apps are owned by MS? Or are you talking 3rd party? On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Matthew Taylor taylorsmatt...@gmail.comwrote: How about non standard html coding? I have lost track of the number of web apps that will only run on IIS and only work client side on IE. Matthew On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Tony B wrote: Can you name a single example of that? Probably not, because even Windows itself runs just fine on e.g. Macs. Not so for OS X - well, not easily anyway. Silverlight is still fairly new, but it works on all platforms. It's specious to claim that someday in the future when it becomes popular they'll throw some switch and make it only work in Windows. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Tony B wrote: Actually, Silverlight is supposed to be an alternative to Adobe's ubiquitous Flash. In fact, it's the *only* alternative, as nobody else has even attempted to offer one. I thought you were all opposed to monopolies and all in favor of alternatives? Are you naive or just making believe you are naive? We've all seen how MS does things like lure the public in with an alternative to something and then alters it so that it only works for Windows users. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
Huh? MS didn't develop Java, did they? I thought that was Sun. The OP said *MS* had a history of creating apps and then not sharing them with everyone for free. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Can you name a single example of that? Probably not... Java. Even the courts agreed. MS paid $750,000,000 I think. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
MS developed a version for windows only that was tied closely with their own java based applets, this went against Sun when developing java. After the settlement MS agreed to discontinue java under their umbrella. I'm not sure if you can have both Sun and MS versions of java installed, but either way, MS's implementation of java would not run what was standard java. The accusation is basically creating a standard, then forcing that standard on everyone else indirectly since most people are using windows. To be fair, most reports say IE 8 is the most standardized version of IE out there. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Huh? MS didn't develop Java, did they? I thought that was Sun. The OP said *MS* had a history of creating apps and then not sharing them with everyone for free. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Can you name a single example of that? Probably not... Java. Even the courts agreed. MS paid $750,000,000 I think. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Tony B wrote: Huh? MS didn't develop Java, did they? I thought that was Sun. The OP said *MS* had a history of creating apps and then not sharing them with everyone for free. Yes, Sun created Java, and created the spec for how Java had to behave. Microsoft created the first version of Java for Windows. But their version (sometimes called J++) had lots of extensions specific to their version. If you took advantage of those extensions, your Java program was no longer standard, and would only run on Windows. There may have been other more subtle changes, but I'm not sure of the specifics there. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Can you name a single example of that? Probably not... Java. Even the courts agreed. MS paid $750,000,000 I think. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
Huh? MS didn't develop Java, did they? I thought that was Sun. The OP said *MS* had a history of creating apps and then not sharing them with everyone for free. So you don't know the very intersting history of what MS did with the Java VM on Windows? You really should learn more about your beloved's sordid history before shacking up. You might catch a disease! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
Can you name a single example of that? Probably not, because even Windows itself runs just fine on e.g. Macs. Not so for OS X - well, not easily anyway. Silverlight is still fairly new, but it works on all platforms. It's specious to claim that someday in the future when it becomes popular they'll throw some switch and make it only work in Windows. Are you naive or just making believe you are naive? We've all seen how MS does things like lure the public in with an alternative to something and then alters it so that it only works for Windows users. Examples: 1- Microsoft rewrote Java without Sun's permission so that it wasn't universal, platform neutral. 2- Microsoft has web authoring tools that create web pages that only work in Internet Explorer, and if not IE, only in Windows with sites for Unix/Linux/Macs crippled. 3- Internet Explorer for Macs was discontinued with v.5, although IE-only sites are plentiful. 4- MS Windows Media Player was discontinued with v.9. Non-Windows versions have always been crippled. Some sites require the newest version, i.e. Windows-only. 5- Silverlight doesn't run on my MacBook because it has Tiger instead of Leopard. Almost all sites with Silverlight require newest version. Adobe Flash runs just fine on my MacBook and our old G4 and G5. MS SUCKS. I'm still mad at MS for charging me $30 for installation disks of Windows 2000 back when they first crippled, then discontinued VirtualPC for Macs. After getting my money, they said that the software was discontinued [because they delayed shipment until after it was discontinued] and, by the way, refused to refund my payment. Only after a month of long distance phone calls and faxes, they sent me upgrade disks which are useless, then after another month of talking with supervisers, and supervisers' supervisers, I finally got my installation disks. Adobe can be annoying, but never abusive like MS. Most Mac users I know also use Windows, some use Linux. We know what good software acts like and compared to everything else, MS products are mediocre at best, and the company is the same. Apple never promised that OS X would run on anything other than Macs, but the Internet must be platform neutral. MS works hard to avoid that. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Silverlight
My single example was going to be Internet Explorer, but I see beety has already stated that and more. Steve Tony B wrote: Can you name a single example of that? Probably not, because even Windows itself runs just fine on e.g. Macs. Not so for OS X - well, not easily anyway. Silverlight is still fairly new, but it works on all platforms. It's specious to claim that someday in the future when it becomes popular they'll throw some switch and make it only work in Windows. On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Tony B wrote: Actually, Silverlight is supposed to be an alternative to Adobe's ubiquitous Flash. In fact, it's the *only* alternative, as nobody else has even attempted to offer one. I thought you were all opposed to monopolies and all in favor of alternatives? Are you naive or just making believe you are naive? We've all seen how MS does things like lure the public in with an alternative to something and then alters it so that it only works for Windows users. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
