Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

>Except that there is no "prosecution" in a civil suit. There is a 
>plaintiff, someone who thinks they need compensation or some other sort of 
>injuctive relief. No one goes to jail or has a criminal record from a 
>civil trial.  Go bankrupt? Well yeah.

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Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Paul Meyer]

Except that there is no "prosecution"
in a civil suit. There is a plaintiff, someone
who thinks they need compensation or
some other sort of injuctive relief. No
one goes to jail or has a criminal record
from a civil trial.  Go bankrupt? Well yeah.



- Original Message 
From: Tom Piwowar 
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:13:41 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

> http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html

Note that article written by a CNET "political correspondent," hardly an 
authority on law or computers.

Note that article says "fears of legal action *may* not all be justified" 
(emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the 
assertion.

Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil suits are 
much more in favor of the prosecution.

> http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm

And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm

Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that "you go someplace 
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> Then let Leo fight the good fight. I assume he has the big bucks.
>
> Have you written your Congress person or donated to the ACLU or EFF?
>

Too poor at the moment for donations.  I guess I should write.  I wasn't too
hopeful with Davis about things like that.  The new model congressman,
Connelly, should be better.  Warner in the senate might be an easier subject
he understands the field.


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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

Then let Leo fight the good fight. I assume he has the big bucks.

Have you written your Congress person or donated to the ACLU or EFF?

>Besides if they are going to go after anyone for talking about the programs
>used for this someone like Leo Laporte would be high on that list.  He
>has recommended the software to use on his radio show.  The EFF and the ACLU
>would rally behind that sort of challenge.  Plus I don't think the new
>management in DC would relish this sort of fight.


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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >This would have be covered by the fair use provision.  Now who knows.
>
> Alas, fair use is trumped by DMCA.
>
> Consider yourself lucky to not be vacationing at Hotel Guantánamo, chained
> to the floor and being repeatedly questioned about Britney Spears.
>
> Isn't she the one who kidnapped the Lindberg baby?

I think the DMCA could fall under a proper court challenge but I would like
to have a couple of more Justices on the court who are young enough to at
least understand the theory of programming a VCR.

I don't mess with anything that requires decryption that involves my active
involvement.  Passive things like DVD players are OK.

Besides if they are going to go after anyone for talking about the programs
used for this someone like Leo Laporte would be high on that list.  He
has recommended the software to use on his radio show.  The EFF and the ACLU
would rally behind that sort of challenge.  Plus I don't think the new
management in DC would relish this sort of fight.
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

>This would have be covered by the fair use provision.  Now who knows.

Alas, fair use is trumped by DMCA.

Consider yourself lucky to not be vacationing at Hotel Guantánamo, chained to 
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

We have very few rules here. Some people wish we had more. Yes there are 
plenty of hacker forums. This is not one of them. Is not breaking the law 
really such a problem for you?

>As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she
>could have asked?

>> That would be illegal so please don't ask such questions here.


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Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)]

LOL! The first amendment is free speech and the 2nd is bearing arms.
So, you must be advocating the right to shooting one's mouth off?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this
issue.  
You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as
my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of
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Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[RLeeSimon]

Hey Tom ...why donna you tella dem all it's OK to copy all dem movies so
long as they send you a copy!!  ...hehee!

-Original Message-
From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]


It goes for both sides, I suppose the end point is Tom gets to be whatever
he wants since he controls the +k/b.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, John Duncan Yoyo
wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike  wrote:
>
> > Right..ban or moderate those who disagree.  The fact that you have 
> > the ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act 
> > the adult
> at
> > some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little.
>  Instead
> > you egg on and call names.  He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 
> > 'pass understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a 
> > jerk.  The
> two
> > of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, 
> > only on perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is 
> > to call him names.
> >
>
> Mike the problem is when the person is a) just being contradictory to 
> be contradictory and not really arguing a point and b) just being 
> snarky about it.
>
> It feels a like this <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppK6sxz6epk>.
>
> Tom is the top act at the floor show.
>
> >
> > If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it 
> > was
> not
> > correct.  However, several have the same perception.
> >
> > Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be
> clear
> > who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you 
> > want.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
> >
> > > >I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen.  When you disagree 
> > > >with
> > > him,
> > > >name calling ensues.  Remember jerk just a short time ago?
> > >
> > > It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of
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Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

>While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue.  
>You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as  
>my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of  
>speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution.

Most smart lawyers will advise you to do everything possible to avoid 
litigation. Litigation against scared people with deep pockets is 
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Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Jeff Miles]

Tom,

	While admire you as an avid Mac supporter, your a wimp on this issue.  
You are hardly an authority on law, if you were, I'd never hire you as  
my attorney. We live in America. It's the 2nd amendment for freedom of  
speech. No DMCA supersedes the constitution.
	A lot of people believe they don't have the money to fight such a  
fight. You don't need money, just backing. And there's plenty of that.  
So if the DMCA wants to take this all the way to the supreme court, I  
say go for it! We'll whomp their ass.



On Jan 22, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:


http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html


Note that article written by a CNET "political correspondent,"  
hardly an

authority on law or computers.

Note that article says "fears of legal action *may* not all be  
justified"

(emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the
assertion.

Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil  
suits are

much more in favor of the prosecution.


http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm


And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm

Did you read the site's disclaimer and suggestion that "you go  
someplace

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Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[mike]

It goes for both sides, I suppose the end point is Tom gets to be whatever
he wants since he controls the +k/b.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, John Duncan Yoyo
wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike  wrote:
>
> > Right..ban or moderate those who disagree.  The fact that you have the
> > ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult
> at
> > some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little.
>  Instead
> > you egg on and call names.  He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass
> > understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk.  The
> two
> > of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on
> > perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him
> > names.
> >
>
> Mike the problem is when the person is a) just being contradictory to be
> contradictory and not really arguing a point and b) just being snarky about
> it.
>
> It feels a like this .
>
> Tom is the top act at the floor show.
>
> >
> > If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was
> not
> > correct.  However, several have the same perception.
> >
> > Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be
> clear
> > who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
> >
> > > >I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen.  When you disagree with
> > > him,
> > > >name calling ensues.  Remember jerk just a short time ago?
> > >
> > > It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of
> frustration.
> > >
> > > I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from
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Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, mike  wrote:

> Right..ban or moderate those who disagree.  The fact that you have the
> ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at
> some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little.  Instead
> you egg on and call names.  He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass
> understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk.  The two
> of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on
> perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him
> names.
>

Mike the problem is when the person is a) just being contradictory to be
contradictory and not really arguing a point and b) just being snarky about
it.

It feels a like this .

Tom is the top act at the floor show.

>
> If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was not
> correct.  However, several have the same perception.
>
> Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be clear
> who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want.
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
>
> > >I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen.  When you disagree with
> > him,
> > >name calling ensues.  Remember jerk just a short time ago?
> >
> > It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration.
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc
> to
> >feed my tv?  I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I
> >burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote
> app
> >on my ipod touch.  Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the
> >movies now too.
>
> I believe there is a substantial reward for turning Mike in. Does anyone
> know his address? Shall we agree to split the reward so we can avoid any
> rude pushing to be first?
>
> $65,000 x 200 = 13 Mega Dollars x .25 = $3.25M / 475 = $6842 each more or
> less
>

Your lawyers should probably include the EFF and the ACLU.

This would have be covered by the fair use provision.  Now who knows.


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Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[mike]

Right..ban or moderate those who disagree.  The fact that you have the
ability to k/b people from this list should require you to act the adult at
some point before and ask the participants to cool down a little.  Instead
you egg on and call names.  He had posted that your (Tom's) posts 'pass
understanding', and that comment warranted you to call him a jerk.  The two
of you and a few others had a disagreement over nothing factual, only on
perception and your response to him not agreeing with you is to call him
names.

If only one person had this perception, it could be argued that it was not
correct.  However, several have the same perception.

Personally, yes, I'd rather have you call names so the users will be clear
who has the k/b button, but in the end you will do whatever you want.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen.  When you disagree with
> him,
> >name calling ensues.  Remember jerk just a short time ago?
>
> It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration.
>
> I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from
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> Is that what you suggest?
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[mike]

I'm poor, you would have better luck turning in rich geeks like Kevin Rose
or Leo Laporte...how about windows lover Paul Thurrott?  Tom should get his
teeth into turning that guy in...hmmm.  How about the entire staff at
Macworld...or PCMAG?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc
> to
> >feed my tv?  I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I
> >burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote
> app
> >on my ipod touch.  Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the
> >movies now too.
>
> I believe there is a substantial reward for turning Mike in. Does anyone
> know his address? Shall we agree to split the reward so we can avoid any
> rude pushing to be first?
>
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

>That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her
>first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's
>some kind of criminal?

If the file were not protected there would be no need to ask the 
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

>i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities 
>of the software.

Answering that question is a crime. Sorry. 

You should also refrain from asking us how to manufacture nerve gas in 
your bath tub. Mike will want to show off and tell you, but we won't let 
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

>The content of a DeCSS encrypted disk falls under fair use, copying that is
>not illegal, the DMCA says that breaking that DeCSS code to get to the
>content is illegal.

If you do go over to the doom9 site and read his "Revisited" story about 
the DMCA you will see the site owner jummping up and down about how 
stupid and "unconstitutional" the judge's decision was. The good guys 
lost.

In that kind of environment it is massively inappropriate to skirt the 
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Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[Tom Piwowar]

>I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen.  When you disagree with him,
>name calling ensues.  Remember jerk just a short time ago? 

It takes an extraordinary effort to get me to that point of frustration. 

I guess it would be more polite to just quietly ban the offender from 
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

>Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc to
>feed my tv?  I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I
>burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote app
>on my ipod touch.  Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the
>movies now too.

I believe there is a substantial reward for turning Mike in. Does anyone 
know his address? Shall we agree to split the reward so we can avoid any 
rude pushing to be first?

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Re: [CGUYS] DMCA: was: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

> http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html

Note that article written by a CNET "political correspondent," hardly an 
authority on law or computers.

Note that article says "fears of legal action *may* not all be justified" 
(emphasis mine). So even the author isn't full standing behind the 
assertion.

Note that rules of evidence and grounds for conviction in civil suits are 
much more in favor of the prosecution.

> http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm

And you ignored http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revisited.htm

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Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[Sue Cubic]

O no!  Not Again!  I guess it's been about a week since the last 
spat.  It's enough to drive a mom to drink!!!  Suggest you all start 
watching "The Nanny", and notice how you don't even say anything--you just 
pick them up and put them back on the "naughty chair"--1 minute for each 
year of age.


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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[mike]

Highly unfair for me to take the kids movies we own and put them on my pc to
feed my tv?  I've got 200 cds in my closet I haven't got one out since I
burned them to the pc...I play them to the stereo with the Apple remote app
on my ipod touch.  Found a great remote app from VLC that can play the
movies now too.

Mike

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marcio V. Pinheiro
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> Of course it is braking the law. Besides this is highly unfair for the
> people who
> worked and made the movie.
>
> Marcio
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> At 01:34 PM 1/22/2009, you wrote:
>
>> We have very few rules here. Some people wish we had more. Yes there are
>> plenty of hacker forums. This is not one of them. Is not breaking the law
>> really such a problem for you?
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Marcio V. Pinheiro]

Of course it is braking the law. Besides this is highly unfair for 
the people who

worked and made the movie.

Marcio

At 01:34 PM 1/22/2009, you wrote:

We have very few rules here. Some people wish we had more. Yes there are
plenty of hacker forums. This is not one of them. Is not breaking the law
really such a problem for you?

>As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[John Duncan Yoyo]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Judy Cosler  wrote:

> i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities of
> the software.
>
>
> Roxio sells a package that is called Roxio Easy DVD Copy.  As to what it
does who can tell from that description.  I've never looked, bought or
otherwise tried the produce.  This is probably a case where google is your
friend.

Tom is hypersensitive to lawyers but the DMCA is written in a way to attempt
to stifle free speech.  If there was someone to sue for money attmepting to
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Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[mike]

Cheers.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)  wrote:

> Calling it fair is irrelevant.  Rudeness is failing to meet a minimum
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>
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> -Original Message-
>
> I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen.  When you disagree with
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> handle it.
>
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>
> > Where did all that hostility come from?  Mike, the message is rude!
> > Can we show at least basic respect here, please?
> >
> > Thank you,
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> > -Original Message-
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Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)]

Calling it fair is irrelevant.  Rudeness is failing to meet a minimum
standard of basic courtesy.   

Please raise that standard of behavior.  Many on this list tire of
blatant disrespect of list members.  Please show basic respect; this is
not a list for brats.

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-

I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen.  When you disagree with
him, name calling ensues.  Remember jerk just a short time ago?  Tom
gets what he gives, no more, no less.  He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll
handle it.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)
 wrote:

> Where did all that hostility come from?  Mike, the message is rude!  
> Can we show at least basic respect here, please?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark Snyder
> -Original Message-
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[mike]

You are unreal.  LOL.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >Roxio says so.  It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies.
>
> Roxio tried to provide copying last year and ended up in court.
>
> How about this? Anyone wishing to answer DMCA-prohibited questions must
> first post a $2,000,000 bond to cover all consequent expenses.
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Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)]

Call 


Thank you,

Mark Snyder
7575 Colshire Drive
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703.883-8365

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen.  When you disagree with
him, name calling ensues.  Remember jerk just a short time ago?  Tom
gets what he gives, no more, no less.  He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll
handle it.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)
 wrote:

> Where did all that hostility come from?  Mike, the message is rude!  
> Can we show at least basic respect here, please?
>
> Thank you,
>
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http://www.macworld.com/article/59605/2006/12/handbrake.html

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Re: [CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[mike]

I ask the same from Tom but it doesn't happen.  When you disagree with him,
name calling ensues.  Remember jerk just a short time ago?  Tom gets what he
gives, no more, no less.  He's a big boy, I'm sure he'll handle it.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)  wrote:

> Where did all that hostility come from?  Mike, the message is rude!  Can
> we show at least basic respect here, please?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark Snyder
> -Original Message-
> We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance.
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Judy Cosler]

i wasn't asking about the legality! I was asking about the capabilities 
of the software.


Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:

Only if it is a copyrighted piece.

If it is a home movie and she has been given permission from the 
copyright holder it is legal.


Roxio says so.  It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies.

Stewart


At 08:56 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote:

>can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like
>Nero?

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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

>Roxio says so.  It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies.

Roxio tried to provide copying last year and ended up in court.

How about this? Anyone wishing to answer DMCA-prohibited questions must 
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[CGUYS] Rudeness [was RE: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc]

[Snyder, Mark (IT Civ)]

Where did all that hostility come from?  Mike, the message is rude!  Can
we show at least basic respect here, please?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance.

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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[mike]

The content of a DeCSS encrypted disk falls under fair use, copying that is
not illegal, the DMCA says that breaking that DeCSS code to get to the
content is illegal.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> If I understand it correctly.  The copyright law has changes so that
> anything you produce is automatically afforded copyright protection.
>
> If you so choose you can then give folks the right to copy anything you
> have produced.
>
> However if they do not ask your permission first and it is granted it is
> automatically considered a violation of the DMCA.
>
> How you want to enforce it is then your call.
>
> Stewart
>
>
> At 10:57 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote:
>
>> That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her
>> first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's
>> some kind of criminal?
>>
>> We produce thousands of 'movie DVD's' a year, none of which are copy
>> protected. We understand people can and do copy them; our only choice
>> is to sell copies cheap enough that they would rather just buy them
>> from us than go to the hassle.
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

If I understand it correctly.  The copyright law has changes so that 
anything you produce is automatically afforded copyright protection.


If you so choose you can then give folks the right to copy anything 
you have produced.


However if they do not ask your permission first and it is granted it 
is automatically considered a violation of the DMCA.


How you want to enforce it is then your call.

Stewart


At 10:57 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote:

That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her
first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's
some kind of criminal?

We produce thousands of 'movie DVD's' a year, none of which are copy
protected. We understand people can and do copy them; our only choice
is to sell copies cheap enough that they would rather just buy them
from us than go to the hassle.


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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tony B]

That's one heck of an assumption. Couldn't you at least *ask* her
first if it's a movie with copy protection before you assume she's
some kind of criminal?

We produce thousands of 'movie DVD's' a year, none of which are copy
protected. We understand people can and do copy them; our only choice
is to sell copies cheap enough that they would rather just buy them
from us than go to the hassle.


On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
>>can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like
>>Nero?
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[mike]

We aren't breaking the law, get over yourself and your self importance.

Discussing the DMCA is NOT illegal no matter how much you want it to be.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> We have very few rules here. Some people wish we had more. Yes there are
> plenty of hacker forums. This is not one of them. Is not breaking the law
> really such a problem for you?
>
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Only if it is a copyrighted piece.

If it is a home movie and she has been given permission from the 
copyright holder it is legal.


Roxio says so.  It is illegal to copy, copyrighted movies.

Stewart


At 08:56 AM 1/22/2009, you wrote:

>can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[mike]

http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm


This site has an interesting analysis of the DMCA, good for a read.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM, mike  wrote:

> As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she
> could have asked?
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
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[mike]

http://news.cnet.com/2010-12-950229.html

Another article about DMCA myths.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:16 AM, mike  wrote:

> http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/dmca_revealed.htm
>
>
> This site has an interesting analysis of the DMCA, good for a read.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM, mike  wrote:
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>> As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she
>> could have asked?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[mike]

As opposed to the thousands of other forums/email lists/podcasts etc she
could have asked?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

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Re: [CGUYS] copying a DVD movie disc

[Tom Piwowar]

>can I use Roxio to copy a movie DVD? or do I have to use something like 
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