Re: [CGUYS] really bad backups
They are talking a clean install. In other words, clean the PC. Unless a clean install has taken on a new meaning. When we did clean installs with Xenix it involved cleaning the Hardrive installing the new OS and restoring all the programs, or reinstalling. We set aside 4 hours for that process. Stewart At 06:58 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: What in the world are you talking about? I've upgraded *clean* many times and never lost anything. Are you not happy with your current backup strategy? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I hope they find a better way to upgrade or a lot of us will just not do it. I will not loose all my stuff just to upgrade their OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] really bad backups
Maybe so. When I say I've always done clean installs, it has nothing to do with cleaning the PC. I usually mean I just buy a new system drive, format it, and install the new OS on it. Then I restore my personal files and programs. Takes maybe a day. Many of my programs are on a different drive so they don't usually have to be reinstalled. Anyway, you scared me when you implied that one must 'lose' stuff when upgrading. 2009/4/30 Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net They are talking a clean install. In other words, clean the PC. Unless a clean install has taken on a new meaning. When we did clean installs with Xenix it involved cleaning the Hardrive installing the new OS and restoring all the programs, or reinstalling. We set aside 4 hours for that process. Stewart At 06:58 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: What in the world are you talking about? I've upgraded *clean* many times and never lost anything. Are you not happy with your current backup strategy? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I hope they find a better way to upgrade or a lot of us will just not do it. I will not loose all my stuff just to upgrade their OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] really bad backups
Many programs cannot just be restored they must be reinstalled. That is my grief. Word, Abby Fine Reader, Paperport etc. etc. etc. I do a Belarc listing before I do stuff just to make sure I have an idea of what all I have put on my system. But that does not do enough. I too keep all data on a separate drive but that still means program installation. On my laptop that is not possible. I do backup to an external for my laptop, but still same old hassle with programs. Stewart At 08:17 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Maybe so. When I say I've always done clean installs, it has nothing to do with cleaning the PC. I usually mean I just buy a new system drive, format it, and install the new OS on it. Then I restore my personal files and programs. Takes maybe a day. Many of my programs are on a different drive so they don't usually have to be reinstalled. Anyway, you scared me when you implied that one must 'lose' stuff when upgrading. 2009/4/30 Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net They are talking a clean install. In other words, clean the PC. Unless a clean install has taken on a new meaning. When we did clean installs with Xenix it involved cleaning the Hardrive installing the new OS and restoring all the programs, or reinstalling. We set aside 4 hours for that process. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] really bad backups
Yes, but those don't require you to attend their installation. Like I said, it's rarely taken more than a day to do that. Or, more likely, I just do it as the app is needed. The three you mention take all of about 10 minutes of effort. Hardly a major project. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Many programs cannot just be restored they must be reinstalled. That is my grief. Word, Abby Fine Reader, Paperport etc. etc. etc. I do a Belarc listing before I do stuff just to make sure I have an idea of what all I have put on my system. But that does not do enough. I too keep all data on a separate drive but that still means program installation. On my laptop that is not possible. I do backup to an external for my laptop, but still same old hassle with programs. Stewart At 08:17 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Maybe so. When I say I've always done clean installs, it has nothing to do with cleaning the PC. I usually mean I just buy a new system drive, format it, and install the new OS on it. Then I restore my personal files and programs. Takes maybe a day. Many of my programs are on a different drive so they don't usually have to be reinstalled. Anyway, you scared me when you implied that one must 'lose' stuff when upgrading. 2009/4/30 Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net They are talking a clean install. In other words, clean the PC. Unless a clean install has taken on a new meaning. When we did clean installs with Xenix it involved cleaning the Hardrive installing the new OS and restoring all the programs, or reinstalling. We set aside 4 hours for that process. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] really bad backups
OK what about the programs you have downloaded. The programs you forgot you put on until you need. A desktop computer is just like you favorite bedroom. It is nice until you rearrange it and then you spend a lot of time trying to find things you once knew were there. When you use your system for work, it is down time you do not need. Stewart At 09:45 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Yes, but those don't require you to attend their installation. Like I said, it's rarely taken more than a day to do that. Or, more likely, I just do it as the app is needed. The three you mention take all of about 10 minutes of effort. Hardly a major project. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Many programs cannot just be restored they must be reinstalled. That is my grief. Word, Abby Fine Reader, Paperport etc. etc. etc. I do a Belarc listing before I do stuff just to make sure I have an idea of what all I have put on my system. But that does not do enough. I too keep all data on a separate drive but that still means program installation. On my laptop that is not possible. I do backup to an external for my laptop, but still same old hassle with programs. Stewart At 08:17 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Maybe so. When I say I've always done clean installs, it has nothing to do with cleaning the PC. I usually mean I just buy a new system drive, format it, and install the new OS on it. Then I restore my personal files and programs. Takes maybe a day. Many of my programs are on a different drive so they don't usually have to be reinstalled. Anyway, you scared me when you implied that one must 'lose' stuff when upgrading. 2009/4/30 Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net They are talking a clean install. In other words, clean the PC. Unless a clean install has taken on a new meaning. When we did clean installs with Xenix it involved cleaning the Hardrive installing the new OS and restoring all the programs, or reinstalling. We set aside 4 hours for that process. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] really bad backups
Negative. I can probably count on one hand the number of clean installs I've done. Win98 to Win2k, Win2k to WinXP, WinXP to Vista, And soon Vista to Win7. I have many downloaded apps. These days I never purchase physical media if I can avoid it. They re-install as easily as anything. Five minutes per. Again, I think your fear indicates you really aren't ready for a failure of any type. I always advise people to imagine: What if you woke up tomorrow and your computer was GONE (happens all the time)? Would this be a huge scary deal, or a minor inconvenience? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: OK what about the programs you have downloaded. The programs you forgot you put on until you need. A desktop computer is just like you favorite bedroom. It is nice until you rearrange it and then you spend a lot of time trying to find things you once knew were there. When you use your system for work, it is down time you do not need. Stewart At 09:45 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Yes, but those don't require you to attend their installation. Like I said, it's rarely taken more than a day to do that. Or, more likely, I just do it as the app is needed. The three you mention take all of about 10 minutes of effort. Hardly a major project. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Many programs cannot just be restored they must be reinstalled. That is my grief. Word, Abby Fine Reader, Paperport etc. etc. etc. I do a Belarc listing before I do stuff just to make sure I have an idea of what all I have put on my system. But that does not do enough. I too keep all data on a separate drive but that still means program installation. On my laptop that is not possible. I do backup to an external for my laptop, but still same old hassle with programs. Stewart At 08:17 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Maybe so. When I say I've always done clean installs, it has nothing to do with cleaning the PC. I usually mean I just buy a new system drive, format it, and install the new OS on it. Then I restore my personal files and programs. Takes maybe a day. Many of my programs are on a different drive so they don't usually have to be reinstalled. Anyway, you scared me when you implied that one must 'lose' stuff when upgrading. 2009/4/30 Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net They are talking a clean install. In other words, clean the PC. Unless a clean install has taken on a new meaning. When we did clean installs with Xenix it involved cleaning the Hardrive installing the new OS and restoring all the programs, or reinstalling. We set aside 4 hours for that process. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] really bad backups
No my fears are well bourne from having to reload systems after a crash. Not interested. Stewart At 10:20 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Negative. I can probably count on one hand the number of clean installs I've done. Win98 to Win2k, Win2k to WinXP, WinXP to Vista, And soon Vista to Win7. I have many downloaded apps. These days I never purchase physical media if I can avoid it. They re-install as easily as anything. Five minutes per. Again, I think your fear indicates you really aren't ready for a failure of any type. I always advise people to imagine: What if you woke up tomorrow and your computer was GONE (happens all the time)? Would this be a huge scary deal, or a minor inconvenience? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: OK what about the programs you have downloaded. The programs you forgot you put on until you need. A desktop computer is just like you favorite bedroom. It is nice until you rearrange it and then you spend a lot of time trying to find things you once knew were there. When you use your system for work, it is down time you do not need. Stewart At 09:45 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Yes, but those don't require you to attend their installation. Like I said, it's rarely taken more than a day to do that. Or, more likely, I just do it as the app is needed. The three you mention take all of about 10 minutes of effort. Hardly a major project. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Many programs cannot just be restored they must be reinstalled. That is my grief. Word, Abby Fine Reader, Paperport etc. etc. etc. I do a Belarc listing before I do stuff just to make sure I have an idea of what all I have put on my system. But that does not do enough. I too keep all data on a separate drive but that still means program installation. On my laptop that is not possible. I do backup to an external for my laptop, but still same old hassle with programs. Stewart At 08:17 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Maybe so. When I say I've always done clean installs, it has nothing to do with cleaning the PC. I usually mean I just buy a new system drive, format it, and install the new OS on it. Then I restore my personal files and programs. Takes maybe a day. Many of my programs are on a different drive so they don't usually have to be reinstalled. Anyway, you scared me when you implied that one must 'lose' stuff when upgrading. 2009/4/30 Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net They are talking a clean install. In other words, clean the PC. Unless a clean install has taken on a new meaning. When we did clean installs with Xenix it involved cleaning the Hardrive installing the new OS and restoring all the programs, or reinstalling. We set aside 4 hours for that process. Stewart Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
