Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer if backing up on external driv
Did you read any of the references that John so thoughtfully provided you? No, because I don't use MySql. I can do native SQL replication with SQL Server 2005, which I have to use, but there is still that pesky issue of vendors not wanting to give away their hardware for free. Funny that. I can see that you're stuck in the consultant's my-one-solution-fits-all template, and that you really just don't get it, so I'll stop bothering with you now. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
Everyone is scratching their heads about it, except for Gates who is scratching his butt. It was the Zune of broadcast advertising. Everyone? As in, How could Nixon win, since everyone I know voted for McGovern? I'm not scratching my head, but then I'm not stuck in the creepy, minimalist THX-1138 white design paradigm either. My condolences that you have killed your imaginative spark and can't see any way outside of the box. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] On-board Ethernet Connection (was:Re: Hard Drive Failure?)
Go into Device Manager and find the NIC, which likely will _NOT_ show up as a yellow question mark, and uninstall it. Look under Network Adapters. If you don't see something that you know is the NIC, uninstall everything under that heading. Then reboot. Fred Holmes At 11:53 PM 9/9/2008, Richard P. wrote: The only thing I found with a yellow question mark were Other Devices which listed 5 items: Video controller SM Bus Controller Other PCI Bridge Device PCI Device PCI Simple Communications Controller * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] On-board Ethernet Connection (was:Re: Hard Drive Failure?)
Of course, if the NIC has simply failed (happens all the time), it won't be showing up in Device Manager. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Fred Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go into Device Manager and find the NIC, which likely will _NOT_ show up as a yellow question mark, and uninstall it. Look under Network Adapters. If you don't see something that you know is the NIC, uninstall everything under that heading. Then reboot. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Chrome snatches share from IE
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasictax onomyName=operating_systemsarticleId=9114339taxonomyId=89intsrc=kc_tophttp://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasictaxonomyName=operating_systemsarticleId=9114339taxonomyId=89intsrc=kc_top Sep 9, 2008 ... Internet Explorer users abandoned the browser last week to try out Google new Chrome, a Web metrics vendor said... They report that everyone, but IE picked up market share last week. IE was the only loser. IE had already lost my market share. I run once in awhile for updates but that is pretty much it. Chrome is interesting but failed to down load my 45 tabs of comics in the morning. Some sites were blank when I got to the next tab. Firefox loads them all without a problem. But what do I expect from a beta release? I wonder if Gmail will every come out of beta. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] On-board Ethernet Connection (was:Re: Hard Drive Fa
I uninstalled them all and tried to reinstall them when the computer found them upon reboot, but that installation failed. The monitor refresh is sluggish, and the Ethernet port still doesn't work. Any suggestions or is it time to give up. Can't figure out if it's hardware or software or both at this point. Looks like you are in driver hell. Sometimes the cuase of the problem is a conflict caused by a driver that is not flagged. To get around that you must uninstall devices that are both flagged and not flagged with a ? and then let plug and play put everything back together, hopefull in an order that will work. Best to try this after you are sure you have current drivers for everything involved. Driver voodoo can drive you nuts. The problem could also be a too new driver. One that doesn't really match the version of the OS you are running. This is the toughest thing about reinstalling Windows. You can't be sure that the OS and the bunch of drivers you got are really compatable. Another approach woule be to install OS and drivers from your original CD that came with the computer. After installing and making sure everything works you are starting from a known state. Then start updating and checking gradually while taking careful notes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Pearl Flip is first BlackBerry that folds up
Personal Message: RIM keeps on rolling along. They think and anticipate and get into the right items. Stewart = A news article has been sent to you by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] courtesy of myEarthLink News Pearl Flip is first BlackBerry that folds up http://my.earthlink.net/article/tec?guid=20080910/48c74640_3ca6_1552620080910-884094760 = myEarthLink News http://my.earthlink.net/channel/NEWS * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Pearl Flip is first BlackBerry that folds up
I don't care for the Pearl much, I prefer the full qwerty keyboard, but this is a good idea. The OS is rock-solid, *never* crashing, as is the hardware. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personal Message: RIM keeps on rolling along. They think and anticipate and get into the right items. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Pearl Flip is first BlackBerry that folds up
RIM also is carrier independent. I think all of the major carriers in the US carry their equipment. Stewart At 11:02 AM 9/10/2008, you wrote: I don't care for the Pearl much, I prefer the full qwerty keyboard, but this is a good idea. The OS is rock-solid, *never* crashing, as is the hardware. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
BTW, that article you posted was Q1 2007... Crap, you are correct. It seems I pulled a Bloomberg (read about United Airlines this AM for the reference). I have seen numbers quoted for 1Q 2008 of WM sales a 4.5 million and iPhone sales of 1.8 million. There are dozens of WM smart phones, compared to Apple's iPhone. Pick one recent WM phone, and compare its sales to iPhone. While you're at it, compare the phones that use Symbian to WM to iPhone, by manufacturer and model. Depends on which stats you use. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
I thought it was cute and a bit quirky. I especially liked the touch of Gates showing his membership card to the shoe store too. Tom can't admit to liking it - or even finding it mildly amusing - because he's lifetime member of the I hate MS club. :-) -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:24 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve! I thought it was rather amusing. I'm looking forward to the next one. Totally besotted by Microsoft? No, there was nothing funny about it. It was kinky and weird. Everyone is scratching their heads about it, except for Gates who is scratching his butt. It was the Zune of broadcast advertising. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
There are dozens of WM smart phones, compared to Apple's iPhone. Which was exactly my original point. You seemed to have missed that. You can either enjoy choice or being told what to do. I promise to act surprised as to what decision you make. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
Possible, but there is no good reason to do that. RAID is just a buzz word to impress rubes. It would be more impressive to tell them you have an LHC in the basement. There's no possible, it is. I suppose someone would run their SAN/NAS as a JBOD (just a bunch of disks), but all that does is give you a little extra storage at the cost of fault tolerance for the drives. Better to have the best of both worlds, if you can swing it. The bottom line is that having server replication on top of RAID is a damn nice thing to have, but as with all things there are costs, overheads and trade offs that have to be balanced against everything else. It's not free, plug and play nor a silver bullet, something our good Herr Doctor seems incapable of grokking. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
Jeff Wright sez: You can either enjoy choice or being told what to do. I promise to act surprised as to what decision you make. God, what a nasty person. -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] On-board Ethernet Connection (was:Re: Hard Drive Fa
Tom Piwowar wrote: I uninstalled them all and tried to reinstall them when the computer found them upon reboot, but that installation failed. The monitor refresh is sluggish, and the Ethernet port still doesn't work. Any suggestions or is it time to give up. Can't figure out if it's hardware or software or both at this point. Looks like you are in driver hell. Sometimes the cuase of the problem is a conflict caused by a driver that is not flagged. To get around that you must uninstall devices that are both flagged and not flagged with a ? and then let plug and play put everything back together, hopefull in an order that will work. Best to try this after you are sure you have current drivers for everything involved. Driver voodoo can drive you nuts. The problem could also be a too new driver. One that doesn't really match the version of the OS you are running. This is the toughest thing about reinstalling Windows. You can't be sure that the OS and the bunch of drivers you got are really compatable. Another approach woule be to install OS and drivers from your original CD that came with the computer. After installing and making sure everything works you are starting from a known state. Then start updating and checking gradually while taking careful notes. Gee, how can I get in on this fun?! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
If you think that's nasty, you must have missed the name calling earlier. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Michael Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Jeff Wright sez: You can either enjoy choice or being told what to do. I promise to act surprised as to what decision you make. God, what a nasty person. -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer if backing up on external driv
I'm putting the argument in the parameters you set. As to if you are acting or not, I won't guess. I'm still waiting for the solution that improves on the old RAID technology..now we sit and wait for you to tell us which HD's you were talking about when you claimed anyone with a failed drive must have bought it at Toys R Us. On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have Tom buy your HD's, he found a place where they don't fail like when you buy them at Toys R Us. Is acting dumb an acceptable way to win an argument? I think not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
You can either enjoy choice or being told what to do. I promise to act surprised as to what decision you make. God, what a nasty person. I didn't think I was being nasty at all; far less than Herr Doctor usually is. It was a poke at Betty and what I know of her predilections as to computers. If you're not going to come to the meetings, you'll have to keep up some other way. I also know that she prefers Nokia phones, so it really had nothing to do with phones choices per se. Nokia just signed on with Microsoft, so that may change: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10037506-94.html Do you actually have something to contribute to the conversation, or are you just heckling? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - Pearl Flip is first BlackBerry that folds up
How pathetic. Smart Blackberry users can't figure out how to lock their keyboards. Flip phones are pointless. RIM is rolling down. RIM keeps on rolling along. They think and anticipate and get into the right items. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Smart phone OS [was: All Hail Lord Steve!]
There are dozens of WM smart phones, compared to Apple's iPhone. Which was exactly my original point. You seemed to have missed that. You can either enjoy choice or being told what to do. I promise to act surprised as to what decision you make. Ah, statistics! How many manufacturers' phones use the Blackberry OS? Palm/Garnet OS? Symbian? Mobilinux? etc. Apple doesn't tell you what to do. Neither does Blackberry, or any other OS. They simply provide a platform for a variety of features and apps to use or ignore. I don't like the iPhone [nor WM not-so-smart phones], however, comparing one phone to a group of many dozens of other phones at the same time doesn't prove anything. Compare smart phones one to one, not one to a group and see how they stand up, feature by feature, and by popularity. How many of those WM phones are the ones purchased by a company for employees [telling them what to use], and what do those employees purchase for their personal use? Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smart phone OS [was: All Hail Lord Steve!]
How many of those WM phones are the ones purchased by a company for employees [telling them what to use], and what do those employees purchase for their personal use? Betty--It's a very simple concept I was commenting on: Microsoft gives you a wide choice of devices and carriers from which to choose. Apple does not. Choice vs. dictates, and for now, in this scenario, choice is ahead. That's it. Nothing about other mfrs or who buys what for whom is needed here, unless you want the choice paradigm to be an even stronger argument against the supposed hegemony of the iPhone. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Making Video Settings Stick
i have an ati radon 1200 with 256 meg of ram. run vista. both latest upgrades. have a V7 22 wide screen monitor. cheap Acer with quad core. installed ATI CCC(catalyst control center). i set the display to 1440 x 900. all is fine. when i shut down the computer and reboot, the display goes back to 1280 x 960, or whatever is standard. if i rite click screen, 1280 x 960 is highest def. that shows. i have to go to the CCC to reset the 1440 x 900. i cannot find a driver for the V7. just shows as a generic non-pnp monitor. the switch back and forth wipes out the locations of the desktop icons, and crams them all back on the right side. what do i do to make the 1440 x 900 stay put? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no possible, it is. I suppose someone would run their SAN/NAS as a JBOD (just a bunch of disks), but all that does is give you a little extra storage at the cost of fault tolerance for the drives. Better to have the best of both worlds, if you can swing it. RAID has some possible uses nowadays. Sure. Let's see if we can recap. 1. Those with just a little money or those with a lot of money generally find that the risk associated with hardware RAID is not worth the expense. The small benefit from a possible disk drive failure is far outweighed by the huge risk from a RAID controller failure or any related hardware failure that makes the RAID disks useless. (Just try taking the RAID disk drives out of one machine and putting them in a new one.) 2. New computers spec'ed to just act as a NAS or database server are pretty darn inexpensive. You don't need lots of RAM or fast CPU as a rule (as always, YMMV). Because of this, in most cases it makes more sense today to duplicate storage on multiple disks and computers - not just multiple disks in one computer. Again, if you do the cost-benefit analysis, you have started moving away from RAID in one machine. 3. Large installations, like Google Ad-Sense, go ahead and use software-RAID (for increased reliability and portability) on the distributed computers. Bottom line? 1. RAID controllers fail, causing complete data loss and useless disk drives. Huge risk for small benefit. 2. Software RAID has fewer parts to fail and the disks can be read on other machines. 3. Distributing data among multiple computers and disks is affordable for even the smallest businesses. And it is the current best practice. 4. Backups are always important no matter how you are increasing availability through redundancy. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Making Video Settings Stick
Are you sure your 22 LCD monitor isn't native 1680X1050? Unlike CRTs, you want to set an LCD to it's exact resolution. Maybe the res you're trying to enter is so far off it's getting rejected? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:07 PM, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have an ati radon 1200 with 256 meg of ram. run vista. both latest upgrades. have a V7 22 wide screen monitor. cheap Acer with quad core. installed ATI CCC(catalyst control center). i set the display to 1440 x 900. all is fine. when i shut down the computer and reboot, the display goes back to 1280 x 960, or whatever is standard. if i rite click screen, 1280 x 960 is highest def. that shows. i have to go to the CCC to reset the 1440 x 900. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smart phone OS [was: All Hail Lord Steve!]
In many cases Betty Iphones have not been a corporate buy! I knew one person who tried tog et one and they would not sell it as a corporate phone. Also note many folks who get a phone through work do not carry another phone. They use what the company gets them. Many many smart phones are sold on line because some company changed contracts, or they got a new job and therefore a new phone.) I have used three different smart phones. One Treo, One Samsung, and now a Motorola. I liked each one for different reasons. But I also read reviews of them on line before I purchase. Stewart At 01:41 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote: Ah, statistics! How many manufacturers' phones use the Blackberry OS? Palm/Garnet OS? Symbian? Mobilinux? etc. Apple doesn't tell you what to do. Neither does Blackberry, or any other OS. They simply provide a platform for a variety of features and apps to use or ignore. I don't like the iPhone [nor WM not-so-smart phones], however, comparing one phone to a group of many dozens of other phones at the same time doesn't prove anything. Compare smart phones one to one, not one to a group and see how they stand up, feature by feature, and by popularity. How many of those WM phones are the ones purchased by a company for employees [telling them what to use], and what do those employees purchase for their personal use? Betty Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
On behalf of the rest of us who are quite tired of this shouting match of the deaf, thank you. --- On Wed, 9/10/08, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 3:57 PM RAID has some possible uses nowadays. Sure. Let's see if we can recap. Bottom line? 1. RAID controllers fail, causing complete data loss and useless disk drives. Huge risk for small benefit. 2. Software RAID has fewer parts to fail and the disks can be read on other machines. 3. Distributing data among multiple computers and disks is affordable for even the smallest businesses. And it is the current best practice. 4. Backups are always important no matter how you are increasing availability through redundancy. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
The last 12 years, one bad RAID controller. Same time period, more then a dozen bad HD's. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:57 PM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: RAID has some possible uses nowadays. Sure. Let's see if we can recap. 1. Those with just a little money or those with a lot of money generally find that the risk associated with hardware RAID is not worth the expense. The small benefit from a possible disk drive failure is far outweighed by the huge risk from a RAID controller failure or any related hardware failure that makes the RAID disks useless. (Just try taking the RAID disk drives out of one machine and putting them in a new one.) 2. New computers spec'ed to just act as a NAS or database server are pretty darn inexpensive. You don't need lots of RAM or fast CPU as a rule (as always, YMMV). Because of this, in most cases it makes more sense today to duplicate storage on multiple disks and computers - not just multiple disks in one computer. Again, if you do the cost-benefit analysis, you have started moving away from RAID in one machine. 3. Large installations, like Google Ad-Sense, go ahead and use software-RAID (for increased reliability and portability) on the distributed computers. Bottom line? 1. RAID controllers fail, causing complete data loss and useless disk drives. Huge risk for small benefit. 2. Software RAID has fewer parts to fail and the disks can be read on other machines. 3. Distributing data among multiple computers and disks is affordable for even the smallest businesses. And it is the current best practice. 4. Backups are always important no matter how you are increasing availability through redundancy. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
There's no possible, it is. I suppose someone would run their SAN/NAS as a JBOD (just a bunch of disks), but all that does is give you a little extra storage at the cost of fault tolerance for the drives. Better to have the best of both worlds, if you can swing it. You ignore the ability of the operating system to span multiple physical volumes to create larger logical volumes. There is no necessity for RAID in this situation. The KISS principle calls for no RAID. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own I'll go with that. Thank you. However, did not one of the links posted here state that Google does not use RAID, it uses replication, except in a few situations where they find RAID is unavoidable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smart phone OS [was: All Hail Lord Steve!]
In many cases Betty Iphones have not been a corporate buy! I knew one person who tried tog et one and they would not sell it as a corporate phone. Old, obsolete news and an example of ATT being slow on the draw. The consumer rollout consumed all their brain cells. Eventually they did produce a plan for corporate iPhones. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
John, I really think that you've been at Mitre for so long that you don't have any idea of what conditions are like for smaller organizations, especially in non-profits. I'm lucky to get the money to replace desktops right now. Im trying to conjure up a mental image of where Jeff works. My crystal ball reveals a snake pit worthy of Indiana Jones. Inch-thick coaxial ethernet cables slither and sparks leap out from behind hulking machinery. Giant disk drives give out a deafening whine. The scene is dimly lit by the flashing lights of ancient concentrators. Water drips from the ceiling. There is the odor of sulphur in the air. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
The last 12 years, one bad RAID controller. Same time period, more then a dozen bad HD's. I will accept that was true *12 years ago*. I will not accept that as the case with currently sold drives. It has not been the case for the last few years. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
When did you get a picture of my office? Stewart At 05:04 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote: Im trying to conjure up a mental image of where Jeff works. My crystal ball reveals a snake pit worthy of Indiana Jones. Inch-thick coaxial ethernet cables slither and sparks leap out from behind hulking machinery. Giant disk drives give out a deafening whine. The scene is dimly lit by the flashing lights of ancient concentrators. Water drips from the ceiling. There is the odor of sulphur in the air. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smart phone OS [was: All Hail Lord Steve!]
Betty--It's a very simple concept I was commenting on: Microsoft gives you a wide choice of devices and carriers from which to choose. Apple does not. Choice vs. dictates, and for now, in this scenario, choice is ahead. That is just a silly comparison. That is like asking someone to choose among electrocution, hanging, or shooting, but not an ice cream sunday. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own I'll go with that. Thank you. I like John's postings... he's rational, and where his solution might not work for everyone, he usually acknowledges that. However, did not one of the links posted here state that Google does not use RAID, it uses replication, except in a few situations where they find RAID is unavoidable. As I recall, the Google File System is a distributed file system (i.e. where a particular chunk of data might be one any of a cluster of computers), and because it replicates each chunk of data onto multiple systems, you could say it's application-level RAID. Or, you could say it does filesystem-level replication (as opposed to database-level replication). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_File_System -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
I also know that she prefers Nokia phones, so it really had nothing to do with phones choices per se. Nokia just signed on with Microsoft, so that may change: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10037506-94.html And Android too. So? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
Tom can't admit to liking it - or even finding it mildly amusing - because he's lifetime member of the I hate MS club. :-) I work with people in the media industry, not computer geeks. The MS ad has attracted attention and does produce laughter, but of the derisive what the heck were they thinking sort. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Smart phone OS [was: All Hail Lord Steve!]
But sadly no push! for the wannabe blackberry converts :( On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many cases Betty Iphones have not been a corporate buy! I knew one person who tried tog et one and they would not sell it as a corporate phone. Old, obsolete news and an example of ATT being slow on the draw. The consumer rollout consumed all their brain cells. Eventually they did produce a plan for corporate iPhones. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
At 9:51 AM -0700 9/10/08, Larry Sacks wrote: I thought it was cute and a bit quirky. I especially liked the touch of Gates showing his membership card to the shoe store too. Did you catch that the picture on the membership card was his mug shot from when he was busted for speeding in New Mexico, a long, long time ago? -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
This is over the span of 12 years. A hard drive just failed a month ago at one location...either a seagate or WD drive, not sure. Either way, the only thing that at this point that kept his company running along was the RAID. Had the whole box gone down, or the RAID controller we'd have rebuilt from either the onsite or offsite backup. That would have been a days work gone for his employees, this one day of steady work, easily paid for the RAID that kept him running. The cost of being down one day is much higher. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last 12 years, one bad RAID controller. Same time period, more then a dozen bad HD's. I will accept that was true *12 years ago*. I will not accept that as the case with currently sold drives. It has not been the case for the last few years. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i
Yeah I'm not sure of many small businesses that can afford a cluster at the office. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Vicky Staubly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own I'll go with that. Thank you. I like John's postings... he's rational, and where his solution might not work for everyone, he usually acknowledges that. However, did not one of the links posted here state that Google does not use RAID, it uses replication, except in a few situations where they find RAID is unavoidable. As I recall, the Google File System is a distributed file system (i.e. where a particular chunk of data might be one any of a cluster of computers), and because it replicates each chunk of data onto multiple systems, you could say it's application-level RAID. Or, you could say it does filesystem-level replication (as opposed to database-level replication). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_File_System -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve!
You work in HOLLYWOOD!?! Why didn't you say so in the first place??! What's it like to get to hang with all those really, really, really important people? -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:26 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] All Hail Lord Steve! Tom can't admit to liking it - or even finding it mildly amusing - because he's lifetime member of the I hate MS club. :-) I work with people in the media industry, not computer geeks. The MS ad has attracted attention and does produce laughter, but of the derisive what the heck were they thinking sort. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
Yes, but the question remains, Big Bang Breakfast Bar or The Restaurant at the End of the Universe? Heh. The CERN people say if it happens it (the black hole) would be so small as to be completely unstable and would not persist for more than an infinitesmal period of time. They also argue that if it could happen we wouldn't be able to detect as many old neutron stars as we can (about 2000) since cosmic ray collisions would have turned them into black holes all ready. You can read about it here with links to the LSAG reports: http://physics.about.com/b/2008/06/21/new-cern-safety-report-still-no-doomsday-scenario.htm On the other hand they still haven't switched on the second beam. Nobody really KNOWS what is going to happen, but that's the whole point of the experiment. Even if they do manage to create a tiny, stable black hole it will take a very long time for it to eat a planet. But I would be ready to move my investments out of real estate... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, mike wrote: Would we have to deal with Al Gore's company selling black hole offsets? Or worse yet, Bush claiming that the black hole is a natural phenomenon, so we don't need to do anything about it. :-) On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if they do manage to create a tiny, stable black hole it will take a very long time for it to eat a planet. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Vicky Staubly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, mike wrote: Would we have to deal with Al Gore's company selling black hole offsets? Or worse yet, Bush claiming that the black hole is a natural phenomenon, so we don't need to do anything about it. :-) Or Bush could send troops to the black hole, in accordance with previous policy. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
That's true, it's not like there aren't any other black holes in the universe... On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Vicky Staubly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, mike wrote: Would we have to deal with Al Gore's company selling black hole offsets? Or worse yet, Bush claiming that the black hole is a natural phenomenon, so we don't need to do anything about it. :-) On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if they do manage to create a tiny, stable black hole it will take a very long time for it to eat a planet. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
Nobody really KNOWS what is going to happen, but that's the whole point of the experiment. Risk is computed as the product of (probability of occurrence) times (the degree of horribleness of the event). So probability of occurrence is a very small number. What value for degree of horribleness do you assign to total destruction of the planet? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
What value for degree of horribleness do you assign to total destruction of the planet? 42 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
If no one is here to measure it, is there any horribleness at all? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What value for degree of horribleness do you assign to total destruction of the planet? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
Risk is computed as the product of (probability of occurrence) times (the degree of horribleness of the event). So probability of occurrence is a very small number. What value for degree of horribleness do you assign to total destruction of the planet? Ah, I'm going to punt on that one. Total destruction of the planet would be very bad. But we all ready know that total destruction of the planet is inevitable, in a physical sense. The only question is the timeline. A coworker once made the statement to me that A cold, hard, bagel is the worst thing in the universe. My reply was, How about if the Earth is destroyed by a giant meteor? I mean horribleness is like, relative. Suppose the LHC discovers the Pelosi Boson. That's when we'd really have to start worrying. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
If no one is here to measure it, is there any horribleness at all? So how quickly does a mini-black hole eat all of creation? Do we watch Europe vanish all at once or over a period of weeks? Does a weakened earth start to break up into chunks? At what point does the atmosphere evaporate? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
At 11:07 PM 9/10/2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: At what point does the atmosphere evaporate? It already is vapor! A Gas! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] LHC
At 09:44 PM 9/10/2008, Tom Piwowar wrote: What value for degree of horribleness do you assign to total destruction of the planet? Zero? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
RE: [gini] issue with os.getlogin()
The issue is with Konsole. os.getlogin() does not work with it, this should be fixed with the first update. Use os.getenv(USER) instead. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexis Malozemoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2008 12:56 PM To: gini@cs.mcgill.ca Subject: [gini] issue with os.getlogin() I installed GINI on a lab machine. When I shut down a running topology, I get the following error: type 'exceptions.OSError' Exception in Tk callback Function: bound method ControlPanel.stop of __main__.ControlPanel instance at 0x831a02c (type: type 'instancemethod') Args: () Traceback (innermost last): File /home/2005/amaloz/gini/share/gbuilder/Pmw/Pmw_1_3/lib/PmwBase.py, line 1747, in __call__ return apply(self.func, args) File /home/2005/amaloz/gini/bin/gbuilder, line 2583, in stop os.system(killall -u %s -q uswitch Graph_Stats %s % (os.getlogin(), uml_kernel)) type 'exceptions.OSError': [Errno 2] No such file or directory It appears os.getlogin() doesn't work on machines that don't use utmp, which the lab machines don't. You can test by typing login at a bash prompt and you should see No utmp entry. Is there another way to get the login name through python without using os.getlogin()? Alex ___ gini mailing list gini@cs.mcgill.ca http://mailman.cs.mcgill.ca/mailman/listinfo/gini ___ gini mailing list gini@cs.mcgill.ca http://mailman.cs.mcgill.ca/mailman/listinfo/gini
