Re: [Coworking] Re: Do I need to get a commercial dishwasher?

[VillageOne Space]

Thank you all!!! for providing information about this issue, I will do some
research about the code.

Vivienne Yang
Founder
VillageOne Space LLC

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On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Glen Ferguson 
wrote:

> It sounds like some random Joe Citizen told you this is necessary. What
> did your city's regulatory department say when you asked them about the
> requirement? Without that knowledge, your concern is hand-wringing based
> only on hearsay. Talk to the city. Most times, these departments want to
> see businesses succeed and are happy to help when you're being proactive
> and responsible to make sure your business complies with code. Ask for a
> URL to the section of code they cite so you can review it and make sure it
> really applies to you and not a restaurant.
>
> If I had to guess, I'd say the initial comment to you was made by someone
> confusing a "break room in a commercial building" with a "commercial
> kitchen". In my city/state, there's a very different set of requirements
> for each - health code inspections being one. YMMV. As Jaques offers, they
> may have been referring to a water temp requirement. We raised the temp for
> our "residential" dishwasher and passed inspection with no problem.
>
>
> *Glen Ferguson*
> Phone: 301-732-5165
> Email: g...@coworkfrederick.com
> Website: https://www.coworkfrederick.com
> Address: 122 E Patrick St, Frederick, MD 21701
> 
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Jacques Paquin 
> wrote:
>
>> When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential
>> dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control
>> accesibility.
>> But looking here: https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/
>> commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide the implication is that
>> commercial washers operate at higher temperatures and sanitize, whereas
>> residential dishwashers do not.
>>
>> Did the building specify exactly what they meant by "commercial"? Or did
>> they just mean, "not cheap"?
>> The dishwashers I've seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not
>> something I've ever seen in an office setting.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in
>>> 7th floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial
>>> dishwasher because this is the regulatory department's requirement by a
>>> shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am
>>> little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same
>>> experience? I'd appreciated any advices, thanks!
>>>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Do I need to get a commercial dishwasher?

[Jerome Chang]

I’ll try to clarify the related issues.

- ADA is mostly about spatial compliance, so yes, heights, clearances.
- Be careful about a manufacturer's claim that their dishwasher is compliant. 
The main point is that the counter height needs to be 34” max 
(https://goo.gl/images/DLzp4U ), and once you 
subtract out the counter thickness, that dishwasher might have to be 32-33”, 
plus some slack space..1/4”?
- I don’t think building codes are clear about this, and as a licensed 
architect, there’s some room for debate.
- ADA-compliant counters are meant for businesses that require kitchen 
counters to do business, ie., restaurants.
- Offices do NOT need kitchen counters, so therefore, I don’t think 
requires to comply.
- as for temperature, again, I don’t agree that offices are at all 
“food service establishments” [FSE] (aka restaurants), so I would not think 
that the health dept should and would get involved. If they were to, I would 
argue against being an FSE that would then require compliance with water temp.
- In general, I’ve taken the safe road to expedite permitting, and 
well, laws aside, I think it’s the right thing to do to make our space 
inclusive to all, including the disabled.
- BTW, regardless if your building or even your floor is mixed use, your actual 
space is what counts, and since all coworking spaces are commercial spaces, 
they must comply to commercial building codes - NOT residential.
- As for “getting caught,” 2 folks can enforce this rule: a building dept 
inspector, and anyone in the public who knows about ADA. There are 
unfortunately people out there that sue just for non-ADA compliance as their 
jobs. They mostly cite restaurants.

Bottom line: it's better to get an ADA-compliant dishwasher than to fight 
splitting of hairs.


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> On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Alex Hillman  
> wrote:
> 
> This caught me off guard when we renovated our most recent space too, I think 
> since our past buildings were mixed-use and this was our first purely 
> commercial building. 
> 
> The ADA laws are around the counter height, not the dishwasher itself. But 
> because the ADA counter height is a bit lower than the "normal" residential 
> height, regular dishwashers just won't fit. 
> 
> I had done a lot of research on quiet + efficient dishwashers for my home a 
> few years ago and found a Bosch series that I really liked...and it turns out 
> they have an ADA compatible version. You can find the model/specs here: 
> https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/SGE68U55UC.html 
> 
> 
>  The selection 
> of ADA height washers is smaller, but again the internals aren't really any 
> different. Just the height so they can fit under the counter. 
> 
> -Alex


> On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:46 AM, VillageOne Space  wrote:
> 
> My building don't have issue about what kind of dishwasher I am going to use, 
> but I am just wondering are there any regulatory department from the 
> government would check on us and be very specific about it. But I am not 
> running a food business or a bar, so I believe that residential dishwasher 
> should be good for office setting, of course, I want to be sure about it.
> 
> Can any co-working owner give me some advice? or tell me what kind of 
> dishwasher are you using?
> 
> Vivienne Yang
> Founder
> VillageOne Space LLC

> On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:53 AM, Glen Ferguson  wrote:
> 
> It sounds like some random Joe Citizen told you this is necessary. What did 
> your city's regulatory department say when you asked them about the 
> requirement? Without that knowledge, your concern is hand-wringing based only 
> on hearsay. Talk to the city. Most times, these departments want to see 
> businesses succeed and are happy to help when you're being proactive and 
> responsible to make sure your business complies with code. Ask for a URL to 
> the section of code they cite so you can review it and make sure it really 
> applies to you and not a restaurant.
> 
> If I had to guess, I'd say the initial comment to you was made by someone 
> confusing a "break room in a commercial building" with a "commercial 
> kitchen". In my city/state, there's a very different set of requirements for 
> each - health code inspections being one. YMMV. As Jaques offers, they may 
> have been referring to a water temp requirement. We raised the temp for our 
> "residential" dishwasher and 

Re: [Coworking] Re: Do I need to get a commercial dishwasher?

[Glen Ferguson]

It sounds like some random Joe Citizen told you this is necessary. What did
your city's regulatory department say when you asked them about the
requirement? Without that knowledge, your concern is hand-wringing based
only on hearsay. Talk to the city. Most times, these departments want to
see businesses succeed and are happy to help when you're being proactive
and responsible to make sure your business complies with code. Ask for a
URL to the section of code they cite so you can review it and make sure it
really applies to you and not a restaurant.

If I had to guess, I'd say the initial comment to you was made by someone
confusing a "break room in a commercial building" with a "commercial
kitchen". In my city/state, there's a very different set of requirements
for each - health code inspections being one. YMMV. As Jaques offers, they
may have been referring to a water temp requirement. We raised the temp for
our "residential" dishwasher and passed inspection with no problem.


*Glen Ferguson*
Phone: 301-732-5165
Email: g...@coworkfrederick.com
Website: https://www.coworkfrederick.com
Address: 122 E Patrick St, Frederick, MD 21701


On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Jacques Paquin 
wrote:

> When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential
> dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control
> accesibility.
> But looking here: https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/
> guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide the implication is that
> commercial washers operate at higher temperatures and sanitize, whereas
> residential dishwashers do not.
>
> Did the building specify exactly what they meant by "commercial"? Or did
> they just mean, "not cheap"?
> The dishwashers I've seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not
> something I've ever seen in an office setting.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th
>> floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial
>> dishwasher because this is the regulatory department's requirement by a
>> shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am
>> little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same
>> experience? I'd appreciated any advices, thanks!
>>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Do I need to get a commercial dishwasher?

[Alex Hillman]

This caught me off guard when we renovated our most recent space too, I
think since our past buildings were mixed-use and this was our first purely
commercial building.

The ADA laws are around the counter height, not the dishwasher itself. But
because the ADA counter height is a bit lower than the "normal" residential
height, regular dishwashers just won't fit.

I had done a lot of research on quiet + efficient dishwashers for my home a
few years ago and found a Bosch series that I really liked...and it turns
out they have an ADA compatible version. You can find the model/specs
here: *https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/SGE68U55UC.html
*

The selection
of ADA height washers is smaller, but again the internals aren't really any
different. Just the height so they can fit under the counter.

-Alex

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On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:48 AM VillageOne Space 
wrote:

> My building don't have issue about what kind of dishwasher I am going to
> use, but I am just wondering are there any regulatory department from the
> government would check on us and be very specific about it. But I am not
> running a food business or a bar, so I believe that residential dishwasher
> should be good for office setting, of course, I want to be sure about it.
>
> Can any co-working owner give me some advice? or tell me what kind of
> dishwasher are you using?
>
> Vivienne Yang
> Founder
> VillageOne Space LLC
>
> 594 Broadway, Suite 701, NY 10012
> T: 732-500-4824
> E:vivienney...@villageone.nyc
> W:villageone.nyc
>
> *CoWorking Space for Creative Minds*
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Jacques Paquin 
> wrote:
>
>> When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential
>> dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control
>> accesibility.
>> But looking here:
>> https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide
>> the implication is that commercial washers operate at higher temperatures
>> and sanitize, whereas residential dishwashers do not.
>>
>> Did the building specify exactly what they meant by "commercial"? Or did
>> they just mean, "not cheap"?
>> The dishwashers I've seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not
>> something I've ever seen in an office setting.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in
>>> 7th floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial
>>> dishwasher because this is the regulatory department's requirement by a
>>> shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am
>>> little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same
>>> experience? I'd appreciated any advices, thanks!
>>>
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Re: [Coworking] Re: Do I need to get a commercial dishwasher?

[VillageOne Space]

My building don't have issue about what kind of dishwasher I am going to
use, but I am just wondering are there any regulatory department from the
government would check on us and be very specific about it. But I am not
running a food business or a bar, so I believe that residential dishwasher
should be good for office setting, of course, I want to be sure about it.

Can any co-working owner give me some advice? or tell me what kind of
dishwasher are you using?

Vivienne Yang
Founder
VillageOne Space LLC

594 Broadway, Suite 701, NY 10012
T: 732-500-4824
E:vivienney...@villageone.nyc
W:villageone.nyc

*CoWorking Space for Creative Minds*

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Jacques Paquin 
wrote:

> When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential
> dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control
> accesibility.
> But looking here: https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/
> guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide the implication is that
> commercial washers operate at higher temperatures and sanitize, whereas
> residential dishwashers do not.
>
> Did the building specify exactly what they meant by "commercial"? Or did
> they just mean, "not cheap"?
> The dishwashers I've seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not
> something I've ever seen in an office setting.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th
>> floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial
>> dishwasher because this is the regulatory department's requirement by a
>> shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am
>> little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same
>> experience? I'd appreciated any advices, thanks!
>>
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[Coworking] Re: Do I need to get a commercial dishwasher?

[Jacques Paquin]

When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential 
dishwashers list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control 
accesibility. 
But looking 
here: 
https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide
 
the implication is that commercial washers operate at higher temperatures 
and sanitize, whereas residential dishwashers do not.

Did the building specify exactly what they meant by "commercial"? Or did 
they just mean, "not cheap"?
The dishwashers I've seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not 
something I've ever seen in an office setting.


On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th 
> floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial 
> dishwasher because this is the regulatory department's requirement by a 
> shopper, but my dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am 
> little concerned, does anyone know this? or could anyone had the same 
> experience? I'd appreciated any advices, thanks!
>

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