Re: [CREATE] [LGM] If anyone's interested in a libre graphics day at LCA in New Zealand...

[Susan Spencer]

Hi Sam!
I'll be at LCA.
Did you propose a miniconf?
I proposed one too, for open fashion including hands-on demos using the
software and equipment.
Good luck to you!
If yours is accepted, I can help you with setup, teardown, &  general
comraderie.

Best,
Susan
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 9:05 PM, Sam Muirhead  wrote:

> I'm in New Zealand, and keen to take this on :) Thanks for the prompt!
>
> I wasn't planning to attend LCA due to this year's focus on Internet of
> Things, which has no crossover with my interests, but I didn't even
> consider the idea of an LGM miniconf...
>
> I will submit a proposal in the next day or two. If anybody else is keen
> to be involved, please get in touch!
>
>
> 
> Sam Muirhead
> Open Source / Video
> http://cameralibre.cc
>
>
>
> Jul 29, 2018, 12:05 PM by nwil...@glyphography.com:
>
> ...now's the time.
>
>
> I realize this is short notice, but what can you do.  Linux.conf.au (LCA)
> has its call for papers open for just a couple more days:
> https://linux.conf.au/call-for-papers/
>
> The event itself is January 21 to 25, 2019.
>
> In addition to the regular session submissions, though, people can propose
> one-day 'miniconfs' for addition to the schedule. Approved miniconf
> organizers are then responsible for putting together their own program.
> They are typically single-topic-focused events, and holding one on libre
> graphics would certainly be a great opportunity for the LG community to
> engage with a totally different audience than the one that habitually
> frequents LGM itself.
>
> Several folks on this list have put together similar libre-graphics-day
> tracks at other local, community events in the past, most recently at SCALE
> in Los Angeles, and they're always enthusiastic and interesting. So if
> anybody is in the Australia / New Zaeland region (or likes going there),
> and feels like giving it a shot, this is the chance.
>
> Please note that I'm not volunteering to do that: it really would need
> somebody who's either in the area or is already 100% sure that they'll be
> at LCA. I've been a couple of times in years past and it's a great
> community, but it's quite a trip for a lot of us on certain other
> continents
>
> Anyway, just tossing that out there. I don't think you'd have to have
> anything close to a complete plan in place (like what speakers/sessions
> you'd have); this is just the deadline for proposing a miniconf in general.
>
> Nate
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Re: [CREATE] freieFarbe/freeColour HLC colour system to be accepted as a national standard for "Open Colour Communication" in Germany

[Susan Spencer]

This is huge...
This opens another area of proprietary design which affects the fashion
industry.


On Nov 30, 2017 19:36, Christoph Schäfer  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have some incredible news for you.
>
>
> Yesterday freieFarbe/freeColour received a message from the German
> industrial standards organisation (DIN) that our proposal for an open
> standard for "Open Colour Communication" based on the HLC colour model (aka
> as Lhc) has been accepted and will become a German national standard soon
> (because we have prepared this carefully during 2016 and 2017).
>
>
> What does this mean? First, it will no longer be an initiative by a tiny
> non-profit organisation, but a national standard, and since DIN is very
> influential internationally, it will become a de-facto standard in other
> countries as well. Plus, it may be possible to make this an ISO standard
> via DIN.
>
>
> In addition, DIN will support the formulation of the standard and our work
> with substantial sums, not the least because the creation of a standard and
> pushing its way through all the respective instances and expert checks is
> expensive (would've been 25,000 EUR in our case, which has been reduced to
> zero, because it's an open and non-commercial project). We will also
> receive some money for meetings, travel expenses etc. from DIN.
>
>
> One of the reasons we got so far is support by parts of the printing
> industry in Germany and Switzerland. The prototype of the printed colour
> reference, which we presented to DIN, was only possible thanks to a
> donation of inks by an international manufacturer of digitial printing
> machines. We're currently cooperating with ink manufacturers in Germany and
> Switzerland to establish ink formulas for HLC colours that cannot be
> reproduced in CMYK, aka as spot colours, so printing companies can actually
> order spot colour inks by just inserting the HLC colour code in their order
> forms.
>
>
> The printed colour reference has the form a ring binder. Colours are
> sorted by their H-values (H=Hue) in steps of ten. Luminacity (L) uses steps
> of five, and chroma (C) also steps of ten. We plan to refine this later to
> also present the H-values in steps of five.
>
>
> This is a real colour system and not just a colour collection like Pantone
> or RAL. Most importantly, it is a free and open alternative to Pantone &
> co, which is not only better, but also supported by a national standards
> organisation and some major players in the industry. There are no licensing
> costs to pay for anyone who wants to use the colour system, not for
> software producers and neither for the ink mixing formulas. The latter is
> important, because vendors like Pantone ask for a lot of money from ink
> producers for the mixing formulas, whilst the open HLC system is gratis.
>
>
> The PDF version of the colour reference and the digital colour palettes
> will be published under a CC licence (CC BY-ND 4.0). The printed colour
> reference will cost some money to cover the production costs, but it will
> be much cheaper than the ones from Pantone & co, because we only need to
> cover our expenses and do not intend/aren't allowed to as a non-profit
> organisation to commercialise it. Moreover, everyone else will be free to
> print their own references, and there are no trademarks involved.
>
>
> Another important aspect is that the HLC colour system, being a national
> standard, will be very hard to attack legally by commercial vendors like
> Pantone or RAL, who are known to play hardball when it comes to
> competition. They would have to take on DIN, which I'm sure they'll think
> about twice.
>
>
> We'll start with Germany and Switzerland, because that's where most of our
> members and supporters are from, but we plan to release an English version
> of the colour reference as soon as the colour system has been formally
> adapted as a standard.
>
>
> Currently, an older version of the HLC palette is already included in
> Scribus 1.5.3+ (L*a*b*) and the latest LibreOffice (sRGB). And speaking of
> Scribus, the juicy bit is that the colour reference will most likely be
> produced with Scribus 1.5.4svn, because it offers the highest colour
> precision for fill colours (64 bit). No other DTP software comes close in
> this regard.
>
>
>
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Re: [CREATE] freieFarbe/freeColour HLC colour system to be accepted as a national standard for "Open Colour Communication" in Germany

[Susan Spencer]

Congratulations Christoph!

Do you have an article we could link to on social media for the Fashion
Freedom Initiative (https://fashionfreedom.eu)?
This will beneficially affect many industries.

Best,
Susan

On Nov 30, 2017 19:36, Christoph Schäfer  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have some incredible news for you.
>
>
> Yesterday freieFarbe/freeColour received a message from the German
> industrial standards organisation (DIN) that our proposal for an open
> standard for "Open Colour Communication" based on the HLC colour model (aka
> as Lhc) has been accepted and will become a German national standard soon
> (because we have prepared this carefully during 2016 and 2017).
>
>
> What does this mean? First, it will no longer be an initiative by a tiny
> non-profit organisation, but a national standard, and since DIN is very
> influential internationally, it will become a de-facto standard in other
> countries as well. Plus, it may be possible to make this an ISO standard
> via DIN.
>
>
> In addition, DIN will support the formulation of the standard and our work
> with substantial sums, not the least because the creation of a standard and
> pushing its way through all the respective instances and expert checks is
> expensive (would've been 25,000 EUR in our case, which has been reduced to
> zero, because it's an open and non-commercial project). We will also
> receive some money for meetings, travel expenses etc. from DIN.
>
>
> One of the reasons we got so far is support by parts of the printing
> industry in Germany and Switzerland. The prototype of the printed colour
> reference, which we presented to DIN, was only possible thanks to a
> donation of inks by an international manufacturer of digitial printing
> machines. We're currently cooperating with ink manufacturers in Germany and
> Switzerland to establish ink formulas for HLC colours that cannot be
> reproduced in CMYK, aka as spot colours, so printing companies can actually
> order spot colour inks by just inserting the HLC colour code in their order
> forms.
>
>
> The printed colour reference has the form a ring binder. Colours are
> sorted by their H-values (H=Hue) in steps of ten. Luminacity (L) uses steps
> of five, and chroma (C) also steps of ten. We plan to refine this later to
> also present the H-values in steps of five.
>
>
> This is a real colour system and not just a colour collection like Pantone
> or RAL. Most importantly, it is a free and open alternative to Pantone &
> co, which is not only better, but also supported by a national standards
> organisation and some major players in the industry. There are no licensing
> costs to pay for anyone who wants to use the colour system, not for
> software producers and neither for the ink mixing formulas. The latter is
> important, because vendors like Pantone ask for a lot of money from ink
> producers for the mixing formulas, whilst the open HLC system is gratis.
>
>
> The PDF version of the colour reference and the digital colour palettes
> will be published under a CC licence (CC BY-ND 4.0). The printed colour
> reference will cost some money to cover the production costs, but it will
> be much cheaper than the ones from Pantone & co, because we only need to
> cover our expenses and do not intend/aren't allowed to as a non-profit
> organisation to commercialise it. Moreover, everyone else will be free to
> print their own references, and there are no trademarks involved.
>
>
> Another important aspect is that the HLC colour system, being a national
> standard, will be very hard to attack legally by commercial vendors like
> Pantone or RAL, who are known to play hardball when it comes to
> competition. They would have to take on DIN, which I'm sure they'll think
> about twice.
>
>
> We'll start with Germany and Switzerland, because that's where most of our
> members and supporters are from, but we plan to release an English version
> of the colour reference as soon as the colour system has been formally
> adapted as a standard.
>
>
> Currently, an older version of the HLC palette is already included in
> Scribus 1.5.3+ (L*a*b*) and the latest LibreOffice (sRGB). And speaking of
> Scribus, the juicy bit is that the colour reference will most likely be
> produced with Scribus 1.5.4svn, because it offers the highest colour
> precision for fill colours (64 bit). No other DTP software comes close in
> this regard.
>
>
>
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Re: [CREATE] [LGM] Update on LGM 2017

[Susan Spencer]

Hi João,

I'm looking forward to seeing you in Rio.

Valentina <http://valentina-project.org> would like to have a 3-hour
patternmaking workshop prior to LGM.
The Artediez <http://artediez.es/> school in Madrid uses Valentina to teach
patternmaking, and they have created a user manual.
It would be fantastic to have a Portuguese translation of this manual for
LGM.

If you know of anyone who could assist with translation of this manual from
Spanish to Portuguese (or English)
please have them send email to cont...@valentina-project.org


Best,

Susan Spencer
valentina-project.org
@ValentinaPSW <http://www.twitter.com/ValentinaPSW>



On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno <gwid...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello folks -
>
> Sorry for the long time without news -
>
> as it is now - we have the venue next year, to be at PUC-Rio,
> but I could not yet have the dates confirmed  due to their internal
> bureaucracy -
> (they only open up their calendar for scheduling the auditorium on October
> -
> that is why)
>
>
> We re asking for the dates of April 20-24th 2017 - so these will
> probably be the cofnerence dates, but we should have these confirmed
> only around the 3rd week of October. .
>
>
> We are also planning workshops to take place in the hosting University
> on  the days previous to the LGM - the local team should take care of
> some of these actvities, but if anyone is interested in getting a few
> days earlier to engage students from PUC and other attendees that will
> be very welcome -
>
> We will post more details on how this should work later on.
>
> Please let me know any other questions you have - I had actually been
> hoping to have the final dates before writing you again.
>
>
> Venue website: http://www.puc-rio.br/english/
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>  js
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Re: [CREATE] Pre-Libre Graphics Meeting Photowalk

[Susan Spencer]

Yeah call the number from the email. It works overseas.




On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Pat David <patda...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Absolutely will do, and I would be willing to bet a decent sum of money
> that we most certainly _will_ end up at a pub!  Should I call the number in
> your response?  You can feel free to msg me off-list with your number if
> you'd like.
>
> Safe travels and see you in London!
>
> pat
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 3:43 PM Susan Spencer <susan.spen...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Call us if you wind up at a pub afterwards. Nico (MeshLab), Jonas
>> (MakeHuman), and Roman & Valentyna (Valentina) are interested.
>>
>> Susan
>> *+1 256 508 4550 <%2B1%20256%20508%204550>*
>> *www.valentina-project.org* <http://www.valentina-project.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Pat David <patda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all!
>>>
>>> Thanks to the wonderful work by the local LGM organizing team we are
>>> able to invite everyone that is interested to join us for a photowalk on
>>> Thursday, April 14 (before LGM starts on Friday)!
>>>
>>> The kind folks at Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in Finsbury Park have
>>> offered us the facilities at the Commons to use as a base to start from.
>>> We will meet at the Commons building at 10:00 on Thursday morning.
>>>
>>> Furtherfield Commons
>>> Finsbury Gate - Finsbury Park
>>> Finsbury Park, London, N4 2NQ
>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery/visit
>>> http://osm.org/go/euu5tOiSO--?layers=N=
>>>
>>> If you will be a little late and still want to join us, email me at the
>>> address below and I'll try to arrange a way to meet up.  I don't imagine
>>> we'll be very far away (likely somewhere in the park).
>>>
>>> We will likely cover the grounds at the park and possibly the
>>> surrounding city.  This is subject to change as our attention gets diverted
>>> to other opportunities of course (Ooh, something shiny!  Ooh, something
>>> else shiny!).  I'll personally be bringing along my friend Mairi who is
>>> graciously offering to model for us, along with off-camera lighting gear in
>>> case anyone would like to learn a little about that as well.
>>>
>>> If there's a particular type of photography that you are interested in
>>> exploring, feel free to let me know and I will do my best to match folks up
>>> based on interest. Hopefully this will be a fun opportunity to learn some
>>> neat new things, make some new friends, and to grab some great images as
>>> well!
>>>
>>> If there are any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to me!
>>> patda...@gmail.com
>>> patdavid on irc://irc.gimp.org/#gimp
>>>
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Re: [CREATE] Pre-Libre Graphics Meeting Photowalk

[Susan Spencer]

Call us if you wind up at a pub afterwards. Nico (MeshLab), Jonas
(MakeHuman), and Roman & Valentyna (Valentina) are interested.

Susan
*+1 256 508 4550*
*www.valentina-project.org* 



On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Pat David  wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> Thanks to the wonderful work by the local LGM organizing team we are able
> to invite everyone that is interested to join us for a photowalk on
> Thursday, April 14 (before LGM starts on Friday)!
>
> The kind folks at Furtherfield Gallery & Commons in Finsbury Park have
> offered us the facilities at the Commons to use as a base to start from.
> We will meet at the Commons building at 10:00 on Thursday morning.
>
> Furtherfield Commons
> Finsbury Gate - Finsbury Park
> Finsbury Park, London, N4 2NQ
> http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery/visit
> http://osm.org/go/euu5tOiSO--?layers=N=
>
> If you will be a little late and still want to join us, email me at the
> address below and I'll try to arrange a way to meet up.  I don't imagine
> we'll be very far away (likely somewhere in the park).
>
> We will likely cover the grounds at the park and possibly the surrounding
> city.  This is subject to change as our attention gets diverted to other
> opportunities of course (Ooh, something shiny!  Ooh, something else
> shiny!).  I'll personally be bringing along my friend Mairi who is
> graciously offering to model for us, along with off-camera lighting gear in
> case anyone would like to learn a little about that as well.
>
> If there's a particular type of photography that you are interested in
> exploring, feel free to let me know and I will do my best to match folks up
> based on interest. Hopefully this will be a fun opportunity to learn some
> neat new things, make some new friends, and to grab some great images as
> well!
>
> If there are any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to me!
> patda...@gmail.com
> patdavid on irc://irc.gimp.org/#gimp
>
> pat david
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[CREATE] Need help with packaging Valentina for OSX Maverick Yosemite

[Susan Spencer]

Valentina http://www.valentina-project.org is looking for someone who can
create a build for OSX Maverick  Yosemite. Valentina is written in C++
using Qt v 5.2

Here is the issue on our Bitbucket repo:
https://bitbucket.org/dismine/valentina/issue/195/valentina-mac-osx-not-working

Thanks!
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Re: [CREATE] 3d knitting pattern generation

[Susan Spencer]

Cool!

I love you...


On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Steve Conklin st...@conklinhouse.com
wrote:

 During/after LGM, I talked with someone about whether there were any
 tools for 3d pattern generation, and couldn't find any. Now I found
 this, and can't remember who that was, so I'm spamming the mailing
 list.

 http://www.geocities.jp/igarashi_lab/knit/index-e.html

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Re: [CREATE] Last round of comments: LGM Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

Thanks Femke for the reminder of why the link was included:

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Femke Snelting snelt...@collectifs.netwrote:


 The reason to have examples included, is that experience learns (from many
 other groups that have done CoCs and/or that have dealt with harassment),
 that concrete cases are necessary in order for a CoC to work.
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Re: [CREATE] Last round of comments: LGM Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

This additional document is awesome.
Great work.
If in the future someone finds a link to an online article which discusses
non-gender-related incidents, it can be added to this document at that time.

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Femke Snelting snelt...@collectifs.netwrote:


 OK, so we seem to agree on the overall text but many would like the link
 to the external page at geekfeminism wiki replaced by a LGM-editable list
 of references.
 Also, this page would be more useful if it referred to a wider spectrum of
 concrete harassment-cases than to gender-related incidents only.

 Here's a start: http://piratepad.net/lgm-coc-examples
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

I think that many people by now have heard that there has been
prolonged harassment in the LGM community which
continued into the LGM 2014 conference at Leipzig.
This harassment reached a peak with physical assault in an elevator,
and there is a witness to the assault.

The University of Leipzig and the LGM sponsors have not been notified
that there was harassment and assault during the conference.

The code of conduct which was suggested as an interim code was not
referenced at the meeting.
It wasn't posted to the community at the meeting, there was no contact
information provided at the meeting,
the community wasn't informed of any procedures to take in case of
incident, the community wasn't informed
of the procedures which would be followed when an incident is reported.
Everything was handled on the fly which resulted in the situation being
handled slowly and with uncertainty as to what to do.
One ad-hoc meeting was held between LGM leadership, the harasser, me,
Steve, and the target.
The results of this meeting have not been communicated to the community,
nor has a clear statement been given to the harasser that these behaviors
are not tolerable in our community.

After the meeting, the harasser tried to intimidate me when he saw me in an
area with few people.
This harasser, who up to now has been my good friend, is a serial bully who
clearly needs help.
He has been removed from the OpenSuse community for serially bulling,
and has been seriously warned about bullying in the OpenClipArt community.

A Code of Conduct is meant to provide 3 things  - statement, definitions,
processes - which are needed for practical reasons.
CoC's must be practical above all else.
Without these 3 elements a chaotic mess results when trouble happens.

We have a clear irrefutable example of this in our own community.

- Susan



On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Jon Nordby jono...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 21 January 2014 13:25, Tobias Ellinghaus h...@gmx.de wrote:
  But whatever
  the reason is, not everyone is comfortable with the American (?) way to
 put
  everything into harmless words. So it is similar to the hugging example:
 may I
  not tell someone that he is an idiot if that is the case? Not
 necessarily in a
  derogative way, but just in a discussion. Does the idea that someone
 expresses
  his disagreement like that make you feel uncomfortable? Well, not being
 able
  to express me the way I am used to makes ME feel uncomfortable.

 If something someone says in a discussion does not make sense, that is
 what you say: X is wrong because Y.
 The same goes if the person does something wrong, say which action you
 believed was wrong, and why.
 Don't call the person an idiot. It might work out most of the time*,
 but expecting others to have a hard skin and
 deflect the comment about their person, and to correctly deduce what
 you *really* meant by it is not a good approach to communication.
 It increases the risk of hurting people and/or to derail the
 conversation. Keep criticism on actions and arguments.

 *at least for the person who calls another an idiot...

  So where to draw the line? As I wrote at the first day of this
 discussion I
  also prefer the treat others the way you think it is ok, and if it
 turns out
  that the other person doesn't feel the same then try to adapt and find
 some
  common ground for social interaction. approach. That is what being a
 social
  being is about: being able to copy with different social backgrounds,
 adapting
  and reacting to the situation at hand. And in the worst case avoid that
 person
  if interaction is not possible.
 The people you interact with decide where they draw the line. Until
 you know what the limits are, presuming that your own definition is
 suitable is risky business.

 My 2 øre.

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

Attendees of a conference should have reasonable assurance of their safety.


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Tobias Ellinghaus h...@gmx.de wrote:

 Am Donnerstag, 10. April 2014, 16:57:18 schrieb Susan Spencer:
  I think that many people by now have heard that there has been
  prolonged harassment in the LGM community which

 No, please elaborate. I guess a discussion can only happen if everyone has
 the
 same level of information.

  continued into the LGM 2014 conference at Leipzig.
  This harassment reached a peak with physical assault in an elevator,

 He had it coming is the best way to describe it.

  and there is a witness to the assault.
 
  The University of Leipzig and the LGM sponsors have not been notified
  that there was harassment and assault during the conference.

 Maybe you should make it clear that we are not talking about any sexually
 motivated harassment or anything like that but a confrontation between two
 equal opponents that should be able to settle their differences without
 others
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Re: [CREATE] Reminder registration for activities closes 25th

[Susan Spencer]

Sirko,

Steve  I will *not* be able to attend the museum visit on April 1st.
I don't remember if I signed up for the visit on the LGM website, if I did
please remove our names.

See you soon!
Susan


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 Hi,

 just an reminder the registration for the visit at Museum for Printing
 Arts closes at 25th, because I have to register an group, there are not
 enoug registrations for an group yet. So if you are interested you should
 register!

 http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/activities/

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[CREATE] Valentina website

[Susan Spencer]

The Valentina pattern design software project has a new website at
bitbucket.
We're pointing several domain names at it so you can't miss it:

www.valentina-project.com
www.valentina-project.org
www.valentina-project.net

There will be a Valentina code sprint at Libre Graphics
2014http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/about/
.
We are looking for beta-testers, coders, designers,
3d modellers, documenters, website maintainers,
and other interested persons to attend.

If you won't be at LGM2014 but would like to contribute,
join the Google group and introduce yourself:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/valentina-project-list
Since this is a relatively new project there's lots to do!

Cheers,
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Re: [CREATE] Visa letter

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Who is in charge of sending official LGM letters to presenters?

Roman Telezhinsky needs a letter to submit with his application for visa
from Ukraine.

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[CREATE] Help with localization

[Susan Spencer]

Hi all!

The Valentina patternmaking project is trying to implement localizaion for
it's body measurement names.

We have a file with measurement names but we would like to know how to
implement localization
for using these measurements.  The measurement names are from the ASTM
D5219-09 Standard Terminology Relating to Body Dimensions for Apparel
Sizing.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

!DOCTYPE hdf encoding=UTF-8?
 personal
   family-name/family-name
   given-name/given-name
   birth-date/birth-date
   sex/sex
 /personal
 body-measurements
   unitcm/unit
   head_and_neck
 head_girth/head_girth
 mid_neck_girth/mid_neck_girth
 neck_base_girth/neck_base_girth
 head_and_neck_length/head_and_neck_length
   /head_and_neck
   torso
 center_front_waist_length/center_front_waist_length
 center_back_waist_length/center_back_waist_length
 shoulder_length/shoulder_length
 side_waist_length/side_waist_length
 trunk_girth/trunk_girth
 shoulder_girth/shoulder_girth
 upper_chest_girth/upper_chest_girth
 bust__girth/bust__girth
 under_bust_girth/under_bust_girth
 waist_girth/waist_girth
 high_hip_girth/high_hip_girth
 hip_girth/hip_girth
 upper_front_chest_width/upper_front_chest_width
 front_chest_width/front_chest_width
 across_front_shoulder_width/across_front_shoulder_width
 across_back_shoulder_width/across_back_shoulder_width
 upper_back_width/upper_back_width
 back_width/back_width
 bustpoint_to_bustpoint/bustpoint_to_bustpoint
 halter_bustpoint_to_bustpoint/halter_bustpoint_to_bustpoint
 neck_to_bustpoint/neck_to_bustpoint
 crotch_length/crotch_length
 rise_height/rise_height
 shoulder_drop/shoulder_drop
 shoulder_slope_degrees/shoulder_slope_degree
 front_shoulder_slope_length
 back_shoulder_slope_length
 front_shoulder_to_waist_length
 back_shoulder_to_waist_length
/torso
arm
 armscye_girth/armscye_girth
 elbow_girth/elbow_girth
 upper_arm_girth/upper_arm_girth
 wrist_girth/wrist_girth
 scye_depth/scye_depth
 shoulder_and_arm_length/shoulder_and_arm_length
 underarm_length/underarm_length
 cervical_to_wrist_length/cervical_to_wrist_length
 shoulder_to_elbow_length/shoulder_to_elbow_length
 arm_length/arm_length
   /arm
   hand
 hand_width/hand_width
 hand_length/hand_length
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leg
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 hip_height/hip_height
 waist_to_hip_height/waist_to_hip_height
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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I agree with Chris.

+1


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Chris Lilley ch...@w3.org wrote:


 2). Adopt a lightly-reworded PyCon code for this time around, and
 gather both feedback and experience using it to decide if a further
 refinement is necessary for next time.

  Would it be ok if we make the decision with the co-organisers of
  this year’s LGM

 Yes. Just do it.
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[CREATE] Valentina update

[Susan Spencer]

There's been so much work on the Valentina patternmaking project that Roman
created a visualization:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-HdsIa6jZA#t=8

We are thinking of applying to GSOC.
Anyone interested in helping us through the process?
Applications are Feb 3 through Feb 14.

Here's the link to the source code:
https://bitbucket.org/dismine/valentina/overview

Google group:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/valentina-project-list
Anyone can join the group

Three people are working on code. (Roman, Luzpaz, Steve)
Three people are working on translations - Czech was added this week!
(Christine, Kunda, Pavel)
Three people are working on patterns, measurements and testing. (Lisabeth,
Christine, me)


Best,
Susan :D
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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PyCon, in addition to having one of the
best anti-harassment polices, is now
providing childcare thanks to their
enlightened community:
https://us.pycon.org/2014/childcare/
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Hi Christoph,

Well, I suppose that a Code of Conduct is meaningless without a plan to
implement it.  No need for chaos and confusion and miscommunication to
erupt if an incident occurs.  Having a process defined is always the most
efficient way to handle any potential occurrence (this goes for running a
convention as well as running a data center).  It's just logical and
practical.  It's like having an emergency exit plan posted for use in the
event of fire.  It's no good to figure out what to do, word it properly,
and post it once a fire breaks out. It's only good if it's posted and
everyone knows about it beforehand.  And it doesn't increase the risk of
fire. And no one believes that it implies that the building is a wreck and
a fire hazard, so no one is insulted or made uncomfortable by it.

The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable
assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for years.
 I can't possibly cover all the bases about this, especially to everyone's
satisfaction.  I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm avoiding the issue, but
truly there is so much content that I would be spending several days trying
to provide you a synopsis.  Perhaps, if you are interested, you could
investigate how other companies and organizations have implemented their
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Just for kicks, read the Norwegian Cruise Line's Guest Code of Conduct
policy:
http://www.ncl.com/faq/guest-conduct-policy

They make parents repsonsible for their young adult's behavior! o.0
And we probably wouldn't confiscate skateboards, either.


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Christoph,

 Well, I suppose that a Code of Conduct is meaningless without a plan to
 implement it.  No need for chaos and confusion and miscommunication to
 erupt if an incident occurs.  Having a process defined is always the most
 efficient way to handle any potential occurrence (this goes for running a
 convention as well as running a data center).  It's just logical and
 practical.  It's like having an emergency exit plan posted for use in the
 event of fire.  It's no good to figure out what to do, word it properly,
 and post it once a fire breaks out. It's only good if it's posted and
 everyone knows about it beforehand.  And it doesn't increase the risk of
 fire. And no one believes that it implies that the building is a wreck and
 a fire hazard, so no one is insulted or made uncomfortable by it.

 The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable
 assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for years.
  I can't possibly cover all the bases about this, especially to everyone's
 satisfaction.  I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm avoiding the issue, but
 truly there is so much content that I would be spending several days trying
 to provide you a synopsis.  Perhaps, if you are interested, you could
 investigate how other companies and organizations have implemented their
 policies and post what you think everyone should know.


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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

To be clear about this, not all 'adult' material or discussions would break
a Code of Conduct.
So that, by posting the following link, with the disclaimer that it
contains adult material
and to only click on it if you are not offended by the mention of body
parts,
I would not be violating any reasonable Code of Conduct, because it's not
insulting
to anyone, it's just awkward. I'm being rather silly by mentioning it.
 Tight pants I think is less
problematic as a theme of discussion compared to this, yet the linked
material
is strangely on-topic for this thread:

http://www.masterslaveconference.org/rules-policies.html

I'm posting this because I am a silly person, and to demonstrate that a
good Code of Coduct
properly meets the needs of its community, and not all discussion in poor
taste is
a violation of a Code of Conduct.

So there...

- Susan O


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just for kicks, read the Norwegian Cruise Line's Guest Code of Conduct
 policy:
 http://www.ncl.com/faq/guest-conduct-policy

 They make parents repsonsible for their young adult's behavior! o.0
 And we probably wouldn't confiscate skateboards, either.


 On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Susan Spencer 
 susan.spen...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Christoph,

 Well, I suppose that a Code of Conduct is meaningless without a plan to
 implement it.  No need for chaos and confusion and miscommunication to
 erupt if an incident occurs.  Having a process defined is always the most
 efficient way to handle any potential occurrence (this goes for running a
 convention as well as running a data center).  It's just logical and
 practical.  It's like having an emergency exit plan posted for use in the
 event of fire.  It's no good to figure out what to do, word it properly,
 and post it once a fire breaks out. It's only good if it's posted and
 everyone knows about it beforehand.  And it doesn't increase the risk of
 fire. And no one believes that it implies that the building is a wreck and
 a fire hazard, so no one is insulted or made uncomfortable by it.

 The discussion about keeping people safe and providing a reasonable
 assurance of a respectful environment has been all over the web for years.
  I can't possibly cover all the bases about this, especially to everyone's
 satisfaction.  I'm sorry if this sounds like I'm avoiding the issue, but
 truly there is so much content that I would be spending several days trying
 to provide you a synopsis.  Perhaps, if you are interested, you could
 investigate how other companies and organizations have implemented their
 policies and post what you think everyone should know.



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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

One final link to examples, etc.:

If recent high-profile incidents of sexual harassment and other
inappropriate
behavior at conferences and conventions haven't convinced you, listen to
our
expert sources: Your meeting needs a harassment policy.
Here's what you need to include.

http://www.convene-digital.org/convene/december_2013#pg95

It's possible there won't be a temporary CoC for LGM 2014
due to issues Sirko mentioned earlier in this thread,
but this document will be useful for the BOF meeting.
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Re: [CREATE] [LGM] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

I agree with the understanding that this is a minimalistic draft,
suitable for the time being until the BOF at LGM 2014.



On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Louis Desjardins 
louis.desjard...@gmail.com wrote:

 2014/1/16 Gregory Pittman gpitt...@iglou.com

 On 01/16/2014 04:47 AM, ale rimoldi wrote:
  hi jon,
 
  thanks for researching and for the links!
 
  http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
 
  i specially like the python one: short, to the point and throughout
  expressed in positive terms.
 
  for what i'm concerned, we can adopt it, just by replacing python by
  LGM (and some more minor changes...) and then discuss at the LGM itself
  what we can add to make it even more adapted to our meeting (as an
  example by adding a In case of any problems please get in touch
  with ... or ... by ...).

 I think this one is rather too verbose, and comes from the perspective
 of Python development.

 I like this one better:


 https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct/blob/master/code_of_conduct.md

 which I think is easier to adapt and make even shorter:

 *** Proposed LGM COC 

 Code of Conduct for Libre Graphics Meeting 2014

 In the spirit of FOSS and the various projects, other groups, and
 individuals who support and attend these annual meetings, we want to
 continue to enjoy the congenial and considerate atmosphere important to
 the exchange of ideas at LGM.

 All communication should be appropriate for a professional audience
 including people of many different backgrounds and cultures. Please be
 considerate of the various sensitivities of all of those who attend.

 Be kind to others. Do not insult or put down other attendees. Behave
 professionally.

 In case you observe or experience any such negative behavior, you are
 encouraged to notify LGM organizers so that appropriate steps can be
 taken.

 **


 Thanks Greg for this edited version!

 To everyone: Does the proposed LGM CoC meet our expectations?

 What I see here is something easy to understand, concise, to the point.

 Without the idea of rushing anyone, may I ask if someone feels he or she
 didn’t have time to express an opinion, share a thought or bring up an
 argument we’d need to consider?

 Is it too early or are we ready for a vote?

 Cheers!

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

This is a great code of conduct for *community at large*. (Thanks Jon!)
http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/

And this is a great procedural implementaiton of a code of conduct, needed
for a *convention*.
https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/

They are two different things, they back each other up.
Both are necessary.

Sorry if it is uncomfortable, but it's certainly not hate speech.
A Code of Conduct is not a villainous bogeyman.
CoCs help keep people safe.

- Susan




On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 3:47 AM, ale rimoldi ale.comp...@xox.ch wrote:

 hi jon,

 thanks for researching and for the links!

  http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/

 i specially like the python one: short, to the point and throughout
 expressed in positive terms.

 for what i'm concerned, we can adopt it, just by replacing python by
 LGM (and some more minor changes...) and then discuss at the LGM itself
 what we can add to make it even more adapted to our meeting (as an
 example by adding a In case of any problems please get in touch
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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Lots of other organizations have gone through this process.
We're in good company.

Here's an article about Heroku's experience in adopting a Code of Conduct.
https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2013/12/11/code_of_conduct
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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

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I applaud the statements that the LGM CoC should be phrased in a positive
way.

But this is not about staying within comfort zones, its about protecting
people.
If anyone were comfortable with this subject matter then they would be very
odd indeed.

Many people in Alabama can't talk about race properly because it makes them
uncomfortable. They can only discuss it in the abstract, and circle around
it without coming to any accountability. These conversations are very
familiar to me.  On the surface it sounds reasonable, but what it means is
that should an issue occur then the community feels entitled to complain
about the issue because it makes them uncomfortable, not because something
bad has happened.

So please consider the practical nature of the CoC, and embrace a small bit
of 'uncomfortableness' because it may help someone in the future.
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Can LGM adopt the PSF policy
as a temporary measure?
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy

Then at LGM we can hold a BOF meeting
where results are posted
with additional paper for comments.

Results will be put forward to an
all-hands vote with amendments
welcomed from the floor.

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Can LGM adopt the PSF policy
as a temporary measure?
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy

Then at LGM we can hold a BOF meeting
where results are posted
with additional paper for comments.

Results will be put forward to an
all-hands vote with amendments
welcomed from the floor.

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Re: [CREATE] Code of Conduct

[Susan Spencer]

It seems this discussion is taking place
around three definition sets of heinous behaviors.

The 1st set contains injustices against groups
as described by Hin-tak  (Hi Hin-tak! :D)

The 2nd set of heinous behaviors is contained
within the 1st set. It is the set of
injustices committed against women.

The 3rd set is within the 2nd, and is the set of injustices
which are committed against women
in the working place and in professional settings.

LGM is a professional setting.
Open source conferences historically have been places
where women are ostracized, insulted
and humiliated. Many, many women have gone
to open source conferences only to find that
they have wasted their time, money and effort.
These conferences should be events where their
career gains momentum, not where their career
is ruined.

The only reason that LGM is being asked
to have a CoC is to help erradicate behaviors
which have been shoving women to the back of the
professional line.

There are always people who constantly must
put others down in order to feel good about themselves.
A Code of Conduct is usually implemented to indicate that
insults and injuries should be dispensed *equally* against
women and men, such that there isn't a larger proportion
being aimed at women's ability to program, their intelligence,
their personalities, their fillintheblank, and that
lewd wisecracks aren't made which by definition
render women excluded from the group who laugh
at the 'joke'.

So when someone posts on this thread, it would
help me to know which set of heinous behaviors they
are addressing.

PSF is clearly concerned about the third smallest set,
which is the most critical in affecting the number
of women in the open source community.

LGM attendees have always followed the rules of polite society
so well that there has been no need to mention the rules.
But LGM is growing...

We can't eradicate stupid ridiculous behavior,
but we can at least join the effort to keep it from sweeping
the XXs out of the IT gene pool.


Solidarność,

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Re: [CREATE] Open source patternmaking tool

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The Valentina project now has a blog:

http://valentina-project.blogspot.comhttp://valentina-project.blogspot.com/2013/12/blog-post_10.html


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Re: [CREATE] Open source patternmaking tool

[Susan Spencer]

Hi Valek!

There are lists of variables which need translation,
The variable lists themselves are chosen by radio buttons,
so the labels need translation as well.

Are you interested?


On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Valek Filippov f...@gnome.org wrote:

 Susan,

 Could you be a bit more specific about what you would like to be
 translated?

 --
 Cheers,
 Valek


 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.comwrote:

  This program was recently developed by Roman Telezhinsky
 and is now going through initial testing and UI development.

 http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=38602

 If there is anyone on this list who can help with translation
 we would really appreciate your help!

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You're correct - they are abbreviations.
He can provide a list.
Would you like to install the program?
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[CREATE] Open source patternmaking tool

[Susan Spencer]

This program was recently developed by Roman Telezhinsky
and is now going through initial testing and UI development.

http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=38602

If there is anyone on this list who can help with translation
we would really appreciate your help!

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[CREATE] Sewing Pattern extension

[Susan Spencer]

Hi everyone,

Here is a link to an Edwardian-era
Shirt Waist draft which has been
coded into an Inkscape extension.

Please take a look at it and
let me know if this seems usable.
Code comments are welcome, too!

sewing_patterns.pyhttps://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxsnjDIHW4yveE5MZzhUUDQyUms/edit?usp=sharing
shirt_waist_allington.inxhttps://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxsnjDIHW4yvY0Fzc2lkN0NSSTg/edit?usp=sharing
shirt_waist_allington.pyhttps://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxsnjDIHW4yvSHNMelVxZThraTA/edit?usp=sharing

Copy these file to the Inkscape user extensions directory,
and mark sewing_patterns.py as executable.

The Tau Meta Tau Physica blog http://www.taumeta.org/?page_id=247 covers
how the
pattern from this book was converted
into code.

xo,
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Re: [CREATE] [Inkscape-devel] Quick ! Teams, please confirm LGM 2013 dates proposal

[Susan Spencer]

Aye!

- Susan

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Louis Desjardins louis.desjard...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 To all teams,

 Hi all !

 After our unanimous call for next LGM to take place in Madrid, we now need
 a quick go-ahead for the dates !

 The proposal is April 10-13 (Wednesday-Saturday)

 Please voice any concern about those dates or your clear approval asap.

 Many thanks !!!

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Re: [CREATE] Next Libre Graphics Meeting. Madrid.

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 Message: 8
 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:00:52 +0200
 From: S.Kemter buergermeis...@karl-tux-stadt.de
 Subject: Re: [CREATE] Next Libre Graphics Meeting. Madrid.
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 Am Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2012, 10:44:25 schrieb ale rimoldi:
  hi
 
   I'm M?nica from Medialab-Prado, where the Libre Graphics Meeting will
   take place next year- 2013.
  
   It's a pleasure for us to propose you the following dates for the
   Meeting: April from 10 to 13.
   Following the international meeting, an  Interactivos? workshop will
   take place. It is aimed to develop projects related to Libre graphics
   contents. Interactivos? will take place from April 13 to 27.
  
   Hope this schedule suits you,
  
   Looking forward to hearing from you!
 
  while the date is perfect for me, i was wondering if we shouldn't think
  about getting the LGM to be more compatible with the needs of students.
 
  personally, i've heard of many no, thanks from students, and the
  reason was that the LGM was during the academic year.
  and this is a pity, since we want the youngsters to be there!
 
 
  as far as i know, the academic year is standardized all over western
  europe and for 2013 the summer semester should go from 18.02.2013 to
  31.05.2013, with some easter holidays from march 29th and april 7th (i
  couldn't find out if this week is a standard holiday or is only common
  in switzerland).

 wrong!

 First: There is no standardized times, in Germany and Austria they are
 different from state to state. And the universities have also the freedom
 to
 set there dates, so they differ also 2-3 days mostly.
 If that is not enough there are differences between universities also.
 Like the
 university last LGM was, is from the german view not a university, its a
 Fachhochschule and they have different semester, mostly they begin a month
 earlier. And when this is not enough we have also universities who have no
 semester, they have trimester.

 Second: the vacation between the semester means not it is free. It means
 only
 there are no lectures. But there are e.g. exams.

 So you will never find a date who fixes all.

 br gnokii
 
 
  i don't know if there is still room for a change for 2013, but i think
  that those dates could be considered for future LGMs in europe.
 
  have a nice day
 
  a.l.e
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Hmmm*all*, *should*, *must*, *always*, *never* and
other similar adverbs are in most cases unattainable.

Sothe last half of June, all of July, and first half of August
seem to the be best times to observe young adults in their
habitats of choice, free from enrollment in a course of study.

I know of a couple of youngish persons who would like to
attend LGM.

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Re: [CREATE] pre-lgm activities (a.l.e)

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I would like to attend the pre-lgm python meeting.

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Re: [CREATE] next gsoc idea

[Susan Spencer]

Yes, and soon!

- Susan


 2012/3/17 Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com

 
  But it means that CREATE should enhance its profile as an organization.
 


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Re: [CREATE] next gsoc idea

[Susan Spencer]

Yes, I have a project to create digital sewing patterns.
- Susan


 Message: 3
 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:20:19 +0100
 From: Camille Bissuel cbiss...@yagraph.org
 Subject: Re: [CREATE] next gsoc idea
 To: Create create@lists.freedesktop.org
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 I can't agree more, That's an excellent idea ;)

 Are thoses projects interested in such a deal ?

 Cheers,
 Camille

 2012/3/17 Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com

  Hi,
 
  Here is an idea for the next GSoC (2013): make CREATE an umbrella
  organization for smaller projects and projects that work on compliance
  between apps a lot:
 
  That would at the very least be:
 
  - MyPaint
  - SwatchBooker
  - Gpick
 
  Then there's the case of manufacturing that seems to be a topic at
  LGM, and that means projects like:
 
  - Thred (http://bit.ly/AmTCF6)
  - Sconcho (http://bit.ly/y6jjd8)
  - TMTP (https://github.com/sconklin/tmtp)
  - Inkcut (http://bit.ly/gGf49M).
 
  And, of course, any team that needs support for some proprietary file
  format -- we in the re-lab project are always happy to assist with
  that.
 
  But it means that CREATE should enhance its profile as an organization.
 
  Alexandre Prokoudine
  http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Yes to workshop, no to presentation.

I've written some python versions of 2D geometric algorithms, not many.
They're very simple to enable a young person to understand the movement
 sweep of the data in creating a shape, intersecting two shapes, etc.
The data structures/objects used are very 'shallow' and uncomplicated.
But I'd love to expand on this to complete a lib2geom-type package for
those who
have neither time nor background to untie the gordian knot of geometric
mathematics.

-susan

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 Today's Topics:

   1. LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom (Susan Spencer)
   2. Re: LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom (Jakub Jankiewicz)
   3. Re: LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom (Susan Spencer)
   4. Re: LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom (Igor Novikov)
   5. Re: LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom (Ricardo Lafuente)
   6. Re: LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom (ale rimoldi)


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 Would any of our fabulous graphics programmers like to
 have a workshop on using lib2geom at LGM?

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 I would, nice library, but it don't have much documentation, there's
 only goals and FAQ on wiki, and link to tutorial is dead.

 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:03:57 -0600
 Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.com wrote:

  Would any of our fabulous graphics programmers like to
  have a workshop on using lib2geom at LGM?
 
  - Susan

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 Maybe we could have one short session per day, with different presenters
 for each session.
 This would make it easier on the persons who wish to pass on their
 knowledge.

 With more knowledge about lib2geom the users of Inkscape, Scribus, Gimp,
 etc.
 become better contributors, and new programmers can pick up the work
 from those who wish to go on to other projects.

 Any takers for the presentations?

 - susan


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  I would, nice library, but it don't have much documentation, there's
  only goals and FAQ on wiki, and link to tutorial is dead.
 
  On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:03:57 -0600
  Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Would any of our fabulous graphics programmers like to
   have a workshop on using lib2geom at LGM?
  
   - Susan
 
  --
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 Subject: Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom
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 It would be great to have such workshop! We are going to use lib2geom in
 UniConvertor
 so I would take part in the workshop.

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 sK1 Project
 http://sk1project.org


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 wrote:

  Maybe we could have one short

[CREATE] LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom

[Susan Spencer]

Would any of our fabulous graphics programmers like to
have a workshop on using lib2geom at LGM?

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Re: [CREATE] LGM 2012 workshop -- lib2geom

[Susan Spencer]

Maybe we could have one short session per day, with different presenters
for each session.
This would make it easier on the persons who wish to pass on their
knowledge.

With more knowledge about lib2geom the users of Inkscape, Scribus, Gimp,
etc.
become better contributors, and new programmers can pick up the work
from those who wish to go on to other projects.

Any takers for the presentations?

- susan


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jakub Jankiewicz jcu...@onet.pl wrote:

 I would, nice library, but it don't have much documentation, there's
 only goals and FAQ on wiki, and link to tutorial is dead.

 On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:03:57 -0600
 Susan Spencer susan.spen...@gmail.com wrote:

  Would any of our fabulous graphics programmers like to
  have a workshop on using lib2geom at LGM?
 
  - Susan

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The Vienna team will need to know soon,
so that they can negotiate hotels, etc.
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[CREATE] Do what *you* do

[Susan Spencer]

Steve sent me this, thought the list might
enjoy it too.

http://xkcd.com/896/

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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 70, Issue 14

[Susan Spencer]

 Interesting article in New York Times about font selection:


*Font Size May Not Aid Learning, but Its Style Can, Researchers Find -
NYTimes.com http://preview.tinyurl.com/3qnrjks*




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 Interesting article in New York Times about font selection:


*Font Size May Not Aid Learning, but Its Style Can, Researchers Find -
NYTimes.com http://preview.tinyurl.com/3qnrjks*

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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 70, Issue 5

[Susan Spencer]

Femke et al.,

I would love to do a hands on workshop.
Would need a big roll of 36 wide paper from a printshop, some
tsquares/paper/pencils, tape measures, tables.
Inkscape and python on their laptop so we can write a basic python
extension, and I would do the programming as well so we'd need access to a
projector  screen for my laptop.
We can go from pencil to code in 2 to 3 hours, or even less.
I can make a guy's garment as the example.
Might be nice if we had a sewing machine or two plus muslin or bed sheets,
scissors, chalk and thread.
I can come early to make arrangements and source the equipment.
I'll contact Simplicity, Burda, Bernina, etc. to see if there's a possible
fund source or if they'd lend us machines (they do this for
Swap-O-Rama-Rama).
This would be more fun than a presentation anyway.

-Susan

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 Today's Topics:

   1. Pre-LGM 2011 activities (Femke Snelting)
   2. Re: Pre-LGM 2011 activities (celine celines)
   3. Re: Pre-LGM 2011 activities (ginger coons)
   4. Re: Pre-LGM 2011 activities (j...@rejon.org)
   5. Re: Pre-LGM 2011 activities (Louis Desjardins)


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 Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 17:14:07 +0200
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 Dear Louis,dear list

 We've been thinking about how and what pre-LGM activities to organise in
 the weekend of 7-8 May.

 First of all: are there already any concrete agreements with Foulab? I am
 asking because StudioXX has agreed to make their workshop spaces plus
 equipment available for the weekend. It looks like the
 Let's-Talk-About-Tools-exhibition can take place at StudioXX as well (more
 news about that soon from ginger), so that seems convenient. In addition,
 StudioXX has multiple computers available, dualboot Ubuntu. What do you
 think?
 One of the spaces available:
 http://www.studioxx.org/newsletter/images/BanniereBulletin58.jpg
 About the exhibition and debate:
 http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/?page_id=2

 As for the program, we were thinking to host a maximum of three workshops
 (one or two on Saturday and one on Sunday) and to have the public jury
 discussion Sunday at 17:00 and vernissage of the exhibition Sunday at 20:00
 -- as close as possible to the start of LGM itself on Tuesday.

 We'd like these workshops to be a mix techniques, tools and concepts and
 they would run about four hours each. We thought it could be interesting to
 extend the Let's-Talk-About-Tools-theme in relation to the debate and
 exhibition. The workshops would be aimed at art- or  design students plus
 creative professionals interested in F/LOSS; a maximum of 15 participants
 per workshop.

 OSP is ready to take on one of the workshops (we're still brainstorming
 about what we would like to do and we would like to connect to one of your
 proposals), so ... is there anybody here on the list planning to arrive
 early that wants to take on a workshop?

 It would be interesting to work on the tools-theme through illustration or
 animation for example, but I can also imagine a digital Pattern Making
 workshop with Susan Spencer ... or something mixing imposition, binding and
 mapping with Tom Lechner ... or exploring the idea of manuals-before-tools
 that came up here earlier ... or ...

 best!


 Femke








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 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:40:00 -0400
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 Hello Femke,

 Brilliant!

 I was going to contact Studio XX, glad they are open to host workshops. We
 can add a page on WP LGM about these workshops and describe them so that
 people can register to them.

 Awesome!
 C?line

 On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Femke Snelting snelt...@collectifs.net
 wrote:

  Dear Louis,dear list
 
  We've been thinking about how and what pre-LGM activities to organise in
  the weekend of 7-8 May.
 
  First of all: are there already any

Re: [CREATE] Pre-LGM 2011 activities

[Susan Spencer]

Femke et al.,

I would love to do a hands on workshop.
Would need a big roll of 36 wide paper from a printshop, some
tsquares/paper/pencils, tape measures, tables.
Inkscape and python on participants laptop so we can write a python
extension, and I would do the programming as well so we'd need access to a
projector  screen for my laptop.
We can go from pencil to code in 2 to 3 hours, or even less.
I can make a guy's garment as the example.
Might be nice if we had a sewing machine or two plus muslin or bed sheets,
scissors, chalk and thread, to be available for the duration of the LGM
meeting for people to play with.
I can come early to make arrangements and source the equipment.
I'll contact Simplicity, Burda, Bernina, etc. to see if there's a possible
fund source or if they'd lend us machines (they do this for
Swap-O-Rama-Rama).
This would be more fun than a presentation anyway.

-Susan
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[Susan Spencer]

Dell ships computers preloaded with Linux.
Perhaps they are interested in cultivating
customers within the open source community.

- Susan



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 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 03:31:06 -0500
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 Subject: Re: [CREATE] Access to LGM website
 To: Gregory Pittman gpitt...@iglou.com
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 On Sat, 2011-03-19 at 13:37 -0400, Gregory Pittman wrote:
  On 03/19/2011 10:19 AM, j...@rejon.org wrote:
   Have youbguya donated or blogged about the upcoming Conference?
 
  One of the things I think we should address formally is the idea of paid
  advertising on the LGM site. I'm not talking about just any old ads
  regarding p3nis enlargement or the benefits of acai berries, but some
  graphics-related ads (example: Adobe). Or even various players in the
  computing realm, open source or not (Ubuntu, Dell, HP, IBM, RedHat,
 Google).
 
  We live currently (subject to change) in a time where it seems to be
  accepted in some form, at various sites where free information is
  provided, that some ads will be seen on the sidebars that pay the way
  for this free information.

 Sure, I'm game for targeted ads if they are relevant, but not for
 generic unrelated google text ads. There is still some void in finding
 targeted ads for projects like ours, which essentially is matching
 compatible companies who can benefit from our community and vice-versa.
 I know some people working on this, but its not there yet...

 
  Have we extended a special invitation for those involved in Google
  Summer of Code to come see what LGM is all about, so we can generate
  some esteem on their part for our various projects? It doesn't matter if
  this year's GSoC is already decided by the time LGM2011 happens.

 I asked Google, and Google is giving us 5K so far, but yes, I will
 followup in the thread about GSoC participating. I've become friends
 with the new GSoC manager, Carol.

  Have we rolled out the red carpet (so to speak) for HP, with its heavy
  investment and involvement in graphics printing, to be an honored guest
  at LGM? (With the tacit backup of contacting Canon or Epson or Brother
  or Lexmark -- ok, we'll be happy with money, but we want you to come too)

 I emailed Keith Packard at Intel and BDale at HP, hoping their companies
 will sponsor, but yes, hope that we can get more support and
 participation from people from those companies. We've never had a good
 time getting the other printing companies on-board. They redirect to
 lame sales people.

  Have we talked to any of these people about linking to LGM from their
  sites? (we're really not threatening to them in any way -- we're pretty
  benign compared to their real competitors)

 That's an interesting idea. Google is the most healthy in this aspect,
 but unless there is a deeper committment, most companies have a hard
 time promoting others.

 
  Let's make LGM2011 viral.

 Other ideas? Keep them flowing! The most potent viral campaigns are
 original content, and not gimmicks. Things like LGMag, etc are great,
 but videos of me and eric hahahahhahaa ;) just kidding...

 Jon


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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 68, Issue 17

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As someone who has recently delved into
coding, I'd love to hear what any of you
have to say on the subject, lengthy or no.

- Susan

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   1. Re: LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs (a.l.e)


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 On 2/18/11 3:56 PM, Louis Desjardins wrote:
  2011/2/18 a.l.eale.comp...@xox.ch
 
  hi jon,
 
 
after having read
  http://libregraphicsworld.org/articles.php?article_id=28
 
  and
 
 
 http://www.chromecode.com/2011/02/why-gimp-28-is-not-released-yet.html
 
  i wonder if at the next LGM we should not propose a pannel / workshop
  where
  we can discuss / present strategies for attracting new developers in
 the
  libre graphics.
 
  what do you think about it?
 
  Good initiative. However, I think that attracting new devs is a bit
  to narrow an approach. A project can have new people stop by every
  week and still not be productive. I'm thinking something along the
  lines of How to keep and make productive libre graphics projects?.
  Having a steady inflow of new developers is part of that, but just a
  means to an end in my book.
 
  yep, getting new developers involved may be a better title...
 
  just to be clear: it's not mostly about a marketing strategy, but rather
  about structures and processes that can help new developers getting
  involved.
 
  one point is indeed getting (potential) developers to feel attracted by
 our
  projects (attracting them...) but, i agree with jon that the harder part
 is
  about getting their contribution in the projects!
 
  +1
 
  I think it is a great idea. I am not sure if a panel serves the idea
 better
  than a talk or a workshop but the idea is great ! It's a topic for LGM. A
  lot of people don't even thing they could be of great help to projects.
  Coding is one, but features have to be carefully sketched before we
 actually
  code. Unless the coders know the field perfectly (and even if they do),
 they
  need the input from the users.

 i guess this needs a formal proposal before we can discuss about details...

 just one think: what i have in mind won't fit in a talk...

 ciao
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Re: [CREATE] LGM11 panel proposal: attracting new devs

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As someone who has recently delved into
creating and coding a FOSS project,
I'd love to hear what any of you
have to say on the subject, lengthy or no.

- Susan

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 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:27:09 +0100
 From: a.l.e ale.comp...@xox.ch
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 On 2/18/11 3:56 PM, Louis Desjardins wrote:
  2011/2/18 a.l.eale.comp...@xox.ch
 
  hi jon,
 
 
after having read
  http://libregraphicsworld.org/articles.php?article_id=28
 
  and
 
 
 http://www.chromecode.com/2011/02/why-gimp-28-is-not-released-yet.html
 
  i wonder if at the next LGM we should not propose a pannel / workshop
  where
  we can discuss / present strategies for attracting new developers in
 the
  libre graphics.
 
  what do you think about it?
 
  Good initiative. However, I think that attracting new devs is a bit
  to narrow an approach. A project can have new people stop by every
  week and still not be productive. I'm thinking something along the
  lines of How to keep and make productive libre graphics projects?.
  Having a steady inflow of new developers is part of that, but just a
  means to an end in my book.
 
  yep, getting new developers involved may be a better title...
 
  just to be clear: it's not mostly about a marketing strategy, but rather
  about structures and processes that can help new developers getting
  involved.
 
  one point is indeed getting (potential) developers to feel attracted by
 our
  projects (attracting them...) but, i agree with jon that the harder part
 is
  about getting their contribution in the projects!
 
  +1
 
  I think it is a great idea. I am not sure if a panel serves the idea
 better
  than a talk or a workshop but the idea is great ! It's a topic for LGM. A
  lot of people don't even thing they could be of great help to projects.
  Coding is one, but features have to be carefully sketched before we
 actually
  code. Unless the coders know the field perfectly (and even if they do),
 they
  need the input from the users.

 i guess this needs a formal proposal before we can discuss about details...

 just one think: what i have in mind won't fit in a talk...

 ciao
 a.l.e


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Re: [CREATE] Reclaim your tools. A film by Jakub Szypulka

[Susan Spencer]

Jakub - Nice flick! I would love to attend a session about your work process
if you're presenting at LGM 2011.

Jon, Femke, et.al. - I mentioned LGM 2011 in this informal interview, hope
it helps to generate interest.
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Tau-Meta-Tau-Physica-Bringing-Open-Source-to-Fashion?category=13430

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[CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine

[Susan Spencer]

Question about what is probably obvious to everyone else:

By 'pro bono', does this mean that the remaining
eight full-page advertisements are available
for free, no fee, no remuneration to the magazine?

This 'free' concept continues to confound my brain,
which is *never* available for free, and frequently
goes out of its way to oppose my personal
needs, goals, and professional reputation.
It apparently is currently on strike until it
receives more caffeine and glucose.

Thanks for your considered and hopefully polite response,

- Susan

Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:38:19 -0400
 From: ginger coons gin...@adaptstudio.ca
 Subject: [CREATE] Pro bono ads in Libre Graphics Magazine



 ...we've reserved  nine full pages for pro bono ads.



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Re: [CREATE] Libre Graphics Magazine Pledgie campaign

[Susan Spencer]

Can I be n = 1 for the individual one-year subscription?

- Susan

 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:19:54 -0400
  From: Louis Desjardins louis.desjard...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [CREATE] Libre Graphics Magazine Pledgie campaign



  So, offer paid subscription that include
  a) Individual one-year 4 issues : 50 $
  b) Support one-year 4 issues : 150 $ or more
  c) Institutions, libraries : 75 $
  d) more options ?
  We aim at a paid subcribers campaign of n people (150? 250? 500? more?)

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[CREATE] Open source ideas associated with profits for industries.

[Susan Spencer]

Just FYI...
This TED talk is from May, 2010.
Open source ideas are on the radar for big business.
It's interesting that open source is being discussed as a business approach
which greatly enhances the bottom line at a conference which cost around
$2200 to attend.

*Johanna Blakley: Lessons from fashion's free culture*
Copyright law's grip on film, music and software barely touches the fashion
industry ... and fashion benefits in both innovation and sales, says Johanna
Blakley. At TEDxUSC 2010, she talks about what all creative industries can
learn from fashion's free culture.
http://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture.html

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Re: [CREATE] Open Source Fashion Software Update

[Susan Spencer]

Thank you Alexandre for the news story on inkscape.org

And Jon, a fashion show next LGM would be both excellent and goofy. 'goofy'=
'geeky' + ridiculous amounts of beer

I'll develop some more men's designs, and and then jump ahead to create the
website for user login, measurement input and storage, and listing of
patterns  for custom svg or pdf download with instructions.  At some point
I'll be able to handle special requests for patterns.  And be available to
answer any questions about construction.

Eventually I'll have to develop the extensions, icons, toolbar, help files,
and interface so that designs can be developed by other users, and they can
post their designs on the website, too.  It's the design that requires the
'old ways' and is not so well known.

But anyone is welcome to download the current files.  If they can read my
clunky code, they can change the extensions to draw what they want.

- Susan
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[CREATE] Open Source Fashion Software Update

[Susan Spencer]

I would like to say thank you to the open source graphics community.

I received much support, direction and advice to get this project started at
this year's LGM.
Since then, I've begun to learn Python, Inkscape, and implement SVG specs.
I would not have attempted this if I hadn't been at LGM.

Update:
1. The basic women's bodice pattern blocks have been written. Pics posted
at: http://www.sew-brilliant.org/2010/08/20/front-bodice-block-done/
The Inkscape extension files are available from a link on this page.
Feedback welcome.

2. The initial proof-of-concept that it can properly resize patterns to an
individual's measurements is a men's jacket from mid 19th century. Back
pattern piece is done. That leaves front  sleeve. Hopefully will it be sewn
up and worn at DragonCon by my stepson who asked me to do this.   I will
definitely post pics.

3. New name: TMTP project - (tau meta tau physica)

Further updates will not be posted on this list.
If interested, occasionally check out the blog/wiki at
http://www.sew-brilliant.orghttp://www.sew-brilliant.org/2010/08/20/front-bodice-block-done/
,
and in a few weeks on http://www.tmtp-project.org

Again, thanks to each of you in this extraordinary community.

- Susan
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Re: [CREATE] CREATE Digest, Vol 60, Issue 48

[Susan Spencer]

Excellent questions.

I found LGM 2010 to be a rewarding and invigorating experience,
especially as someone new to graphics, programming, and the open source
community.
I attended LGM to gather ideas to help me begin a software project.
Holding dialogs and creating working relationships
with persons who may hold the key to difficult problems I will encounter
was a productive and surprisingly pleasant experience.

LGM 2011 will be a follow up meeting for me regarding my project.
I hope that I will gain more understanding of the needs and expectations
of users of graphics software. Watching the presentations about the
programming of the software and newly developed features
will hopefully fire my imagination and shape my goals
just as the LGM 2010 meeting did.

Susan Spencer


Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:08:48 +0200

 From: a.l.e ale.comp...@xox.ch
 Subject: Re: [CREATE] Decision for LGM 2011 venue ? Action required



 i will start two new threads where i ask:

 - what YOU expect from the LGM 2011?

 - what is the LGM for YOU?

 if the answers start flowing in, it's a good sign that they ware indeed
 the right questions to ask.


 have a nice day

 a.l.e



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Re: [CREATE] Free as in Speech, and Vietnam?

[Susan Spencer]

My 2k on holding LGM in Vietnam:

LGM embraces and promotes the open source model.
But an open source model of government doesn't exist anywhere on earth.
Compromise will happen no matter our destination.
Let's be who we are anywhere we go.

I'd love to see even a small part of Vietnam.
And there's a lot happening there right now.
We can be a part of what's to come.
Let's go.

- Susan
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