Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen
Hi all, Xtext and MWE will be participating in Oxygen: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.tmf.xtext/releases/2.13 https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.emf.mwe/releases/2.9.0 Offset for both is +2. Sven 2016-07-19 7:54 GMT+02:00 Wenz, Michael <michael.w...@sap.com>: > Update on the offset: on request Graphiti will be at +2 starting with > Oxygen. > > > > Michael > > > > *From:* cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: > cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Wenz, Michael > *Sent:* Montag, 18. Juli 2016 08:20 > *To:* Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org> > *Subject:* [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen > > > > Hi, > > > > Graphiti will be participating in Oxygen: > > https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.graphiti/releases/0.14.0 > > > > Offset will be +3. > > > > Michael > > ___ > cross-project-issues-dev mailing list > cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev > -- Sven Efftinge TypeFox GmbH Am Germaniahafen 1 24143 Kiel Sitz: Kiel, Registergericht: Amtsgericht Kiel, HRB 17385 Managing Directors: Sven Efftinge, Moritz Eysholdt, Dr. Jan Köhnlein ___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev
Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen
Update on the offset: on request Graphiti will be at +2 starting with Oxygen. Michael From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Wenz, Michael Sent: Montag, 18. Juli 2016 08:20 To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org> Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen Hi, Graphiti will be participating in Oxygen: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.graphiti/releases/0.14.0 Offset will be +3. Michael ___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev
Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen
Hi
Comments inline.
Regards
Ed Willink
On 18/07/2016 16:42, Doug Schaefer wrote:
The +# days thing has never made sense, really. If you really chain
dependencies I’m sure you’d get into double digits. In fact, CDT
cycles on itself with a couple of other projects.
It's not perfect, but its better than nothing. At +1, we have EMF < UML
< OCL, and worse OCL depends on XText at +2. We survive, only one OCL
re-contribution in a couple of years.
Graphiti at +2, seems better.
Probably what would be better would be a better way to publicize API
changes that affect downstream builds. Don’t really have an answer
there but it is what causes problems. If APIs are well managed, in
theory, you can build before you’re dependencies do.
I think that it would be reasonable to very strongly recommend that
breaking API appear in an I-build a week before +0 so that nightly
builds should detect problems comfortably before the last minute.
Just a thought,
Doug.
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Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen
David,
yes, you are right Graphiti is a framework. On the other hand we
have dependencies to GEF and EMF Transactions/Validation with is
at +2.
Graphiti has been on +3 since it joined the release train, so far
it has never been an issue. Or at least these issues did not reach
me.
In case any user of Graphiti struggles with this, this would be a
good time to speak up. I’m open towards changing to an earlier day
in case that is required.
Thanks,
Michael
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in Oxygen
I believe Graphiti is a "framework", right? To be used by others?
As such +3 does not make much sense. +3 is more for "leaf"
components that no one else depends on. +1 or +2 makes more sense
to me, depending on what you depend on.
As always, feel free to correct any misconceptions I have.
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Graphiti will be participating in Oxygen:
https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.graphiti/releases/0.14.0
Offset will be +3.
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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen
Michael, WTP does have a prereq on Graphiti (for our JPA Diagram Editor), and we are at +2. (And you said that GEF is at +2... they are at +1). It would be beneficial for WTP if Graphiti were to move up to +2 (at least). Are there any plans for Graphiti to leave the "incubation" state for Oxygen? FWIW, - Carl Anderson WTP Releng project lead From: "Wenz, Michael" <michael.w...@sap.com> To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org> Date: 07/18/2016 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org David, yes, you are right Graphiti is a framework. On the other hand we have dependencies to GEF and EMF Transactions/Validation with is at +2. Graphiti has been on +3 since it joined the release train, so far it has never been an issue. Or at least these issues did not reach me. In case any user of Graphiti struggles with this, this would be a good time to speak up. I’m open towards changing to an earlier day in case that is required. Thanks, Michael From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [ mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of David M Williams Sent: Montag, 18. Juli 2016 16:25 To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen I believe Graphiti is a "framework", right? To be used by others? As such +3 does not make much sense. +3 is more for "leaf" components that no one else depends on. +1 or +2 makes more sense to me, depending on what you depend on. As always, feel free to correct any misconceptions I have. From:"Wenz, Michael" <michael.w...@sap.com> To:Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>, Date:07/18/2016 02:23 AM Subject:[cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org Hi, Graphiti will be participating in Oxygen: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.graphiti/releases/0.14.0 Offset will be +3. Michael___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev ___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev ___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev
Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen
The +# days thing has never made sense, really. If you really chain dependencies I’m sure you’d get into double digits. In fact, CDT cycles on itself with a couple of other projects. Probably what would be better would be a better way to publicize API changes that affect downstream builds. Don’t really have an answer there but it is what causes problems. If APIs are well managed, in theory, you can build before you’re dependencies do. Just a thought, Doug. From: <cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org>> on behalf of "Wenz, Michael" <michael.w...@sap.com<mailto:michael.w...@sap.com>> Reply-To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Date: Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:22 AM To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen David, yes, you are right Graphiti is a framework. On the other hand we have dependencies to GEF and EMF Transactions/Validation with is at +2. Graphiti has been on +3 since it joined the release train, so far it has never been an issue. Or at least these issues did not reach me. In case any user of Graphiti struggles with this, this would be a good time to speak up. I’m open towards changing to an earlier day in case that is required. Thanks, Michael From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of David M Williams Sent: Montag, 18. Juli 2016 16:25 To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen I believe Graphiti is a "framework", right? To be used by others? As such +3 does not make much sense. +3 is more for "leaf" components that no one else depends on. +1 or +2 makes more sense to me, depending on what you depend on. As always, feel free to correct any misconceptions I have. From:"Wenz, Michael" <michael.w...@sap.com<mailto:michael.w...@sap.com>> To:Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>>, Date:07/18/2016 02:23 AM Subject:[cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> Hi, Graphiti will be participating in Oxygen: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.graphiti/releases/0.14.0 Offset will be +3. Michael___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev ___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev
Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen
David, yes, you are right Graphiti is a framework. On the other hand we have dependencies to GEF and EMF Transactions/Validation with is at +2. Graphiti has been on +3 since it joined the release train, so far it has never been an issue. Or at least these issues did not reach me. In case any user of Graphiti struggles with this, this would be a good time to speak up. I'm open towards changing to an earlier day in case that is required. Thanks, Michael From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of David M Williams Sent: Montag, 18. Juli 2016 16:25 To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org> Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen I believe Graphiti is a "framework", right? To be used by others? As such +3 does not make much sense. +3 is more for "leaf" components that no one else depends on. +1 or +2 makes more sense to me, depending on what you depend on. As always, feel free to correct any misconceptions I have. From:"Wenz, Michael" <michael.w...@sap.com<mailto:michael.w...@sap.com>> To:Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>>, Date: 07/18/2016 02:23 AM Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen Sent by: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> Hi, Graphiti will be participating in Oxygen: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.graphiti/releases/0.14.0 Offset will be +3. Michael___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev ___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev
Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen
I believe Graphiti is a "framework", right? To be used by others? As such +3 does not make much sense. +3 is more for "leaf" components that no one else depends on. +1 or +2 makes more sense to me, depending on what you depend on. As always, feel free to correct any misconceptions I have. From: "Wenz, Michael" <michael.w...@sap.com> To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>, Date: 07/18/2016 02:23 AM Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen Sent by:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org Hi, Graphiti will be participating in Oxygen: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.graphiti/releases/0.14.0 Offset will be +3. Michael___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev ___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev
[cross-project-issues-dev] Graphiti participating in Oxygen
Hi, Graphiti will be participating in Oxygen: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/modeling.graphiti/releases/0.14.0 Offset will be +3. Michael ___ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev
