Re: [cryptography] Chaos theory
Age has nothing to do with it, the math doesn't change. As or AKNOS, their is actually a lot of controversy over that book and the claims Wolfram makes. Kyle Maxwell ky...@xwell.org wrote: Fairly old, but Chaos by James Gleick was a huge influence on me as a young man and has some responsibility for the academic path I chose later. @kylemaxwell On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM, jamescho...@austin.rr.com wrote: Wolfram's book is about CAs and not chaos/fractals in general. For an initial intro you might try Chaos and Fractals - New Frontiers of Science by Hans-Otto Peitgen, Rudolph Dietmar, Saupe, Heinz-Otto, Hartmut Juergens. You'll also want to get all their other books. Your first read should always be Mandelbrot's books. For a more fun approach you should also check out Pickover's books if you want to see some code snippets and try your hand at playing with the math. All of these books have been around long enough that you should be able to find them in your local used bookstores in larger market at considerable discounts. I see them in here in Austin/Dallas/San Antonio in Half Price Books for as little as $10. http://www.hpb.com Collin RM Stocks col...@sibilance.org wrote: On 09/22/2013 10:23 PM, coderman wrote: if you're looking for general research in complexity / chaos, shortcut to perusing: Santa Fe Instutute series[0] then AKNOS[1] from there you'll be able to traverse the myraid particulars of interest... best regards, 0. Santa Fe Institute Series https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=bksq=bibliogroup:Santa+Fe+Institute+Seriescad=3#q=bibliogroup%3A%22Santa+Fe+Institute+Series%22safe=offtbm=bks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Institute 1. A New Kind of Science http://www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/toc.html Thanks, I'll take a look. -- jTDSi2iTpW4qBsAR5wuO2eIDmKkbArSMyIpvlXlE8nAF1w5nv2+oBKhp9/sT k4UO05sEd3BeLrK4mCoGZiQp/kyAqu6jwvLypofUhx8jV8Em/MVUxGX7Kmwx ITJUJmw9QIOe1t9hkDmpkEOpAaCyryjVQwOZwV0OD+e+YxV3IH5/X2Hz/Ed3 UY/SwFdmMv9EC7ZLooFhOLCrWtfvZ+IP+mgF9Ts72bYJKXjacU3ZFMIiVZf+ oGX28A2DFbTm2Lhak4bX8IrKL4kqYq+7hH39OQWM3ImPaWyqskckevzKeyqI A9gkVpAupp22csx6NgzE3GRFjIR5Yqc1Cdy5kB0N7w== ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jamescho...@austin.rr.com jcho...@confusionresearchcenter.org rav...@ssz.com james.cho...@g.austincc.edu jchoate00...@gmail.com james.cho...@twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jamescho...@austin.rr.com jcho...@confusionresearchcenter.org rav...@ssz.com james.cho...@g.austincc.edu jchoate00...@gmail.com james.cho...@twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Chaos theory
Wolfram's book is about CAs and not chaos/fractals in general. For an initial intro you might try Chaos and Fractals - New Frontiers of Science by Hans-Otto Peitgen, Rudolph Dietmar, Saupe, Heinz-Otto, Hartmut Juergens. You'll also want to get all their other books. Your first read should always be Mandelbrot's books. For a more fun approach you should also check out Pickover's books if you want to see some code snippets and try your hand at playing with the math. All of these books have been around long enough that you should be able to find them in your local used bookstores in larger market at considerable discounts. I see them in here in Austin/Dallas/San Antonio in Half Price Books for as little as $10. http://www.hpb.com Collin RM Stocks col...@sibilance.org wrote: On 09/22/2013 10:23 PM, coderman wrote: if you're looking for general research in complexity / chaos, shortcut to perusing: Santa Fe Instutute series[0] then AKNOS[1] from there you'll be able to traverse the myraid particulars of interest... best regards, 0. Santa Fe Institute Series https://www.google.com/search?tbo=ptbm=bksq=bibliogroup:Santa+Fe+Institute+Seriescad=3#q=bibliogroup%3A%22Santa+Fe+Institute+Series%22safe=offtbm=bks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Institute 1. A New Kind of Science http://www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/toc.html Thanks, I'll take a look. -- jTDSi2iTpW4qBsAR5wuO2eIDmKkbArSMyIpvlXlE8nAF1w5nv2+oBKhp9/sT k4UO05sEd3BeLrK4mCoGZiQp/kyAqu6jwvLypofUhx8jV8Em/MVUxGX7Kmwx ITJUJmw9QIOe1t9hkDmpkEOpAaCyryjVQwOZwV0OD+e+YxV3IH5/X2Hz/Ed3 UY/SwFdmMv9EC7ZLooFhOLCrWtfvZ+IP+mgF9Ts72bYJKXjacU3ZFMIiVZf+ oGX28A2DFbTm2Lhak4bX8IrKL4kqYq+7hH39OQWM3ImPaWyqskckevzKeyqI A9gkVpAupp22csx6NgzE3GRFjIR5Yqc1Cdy5kB0N7w== ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jamescho...@austin.rr.com jcho...@confusionresearchcenter.org rav...@ssz.com james.cho...@g.austincc.edu jchoate00...@gmail.com james.cho...@twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
Well then start one up and show us how it's done Adam. Put your money where your mouth is. Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 05:13:57PM +0100, Moritz wrote: On 25.03.2013 09:25, Adam Back wrote: because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting their addition to a watch-list will avoid. Isn't exactly that a nice property of a cypherpunks list? No it is not, it is a way to persuade people to leave, or not join the listserv. Maybe someone with a more neutral domain could try it - or a cypherpunks.* domain if they have a listserv handy. Cypherpunks is a distributed mailing list. A subscriber can subscribe to one node of the list and thereby participate on the full list. Each node (called a Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer [CDR], although they are not related to anonymous remailers) exchanges messages with the other nodes in addition to sending messages to its subscribers. Yes I know, but that badly named listserv is the last CDR. Adam ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jamescho...@austin.rr.com jcho...@confusionresearchcenter.org rav...@ssz.com james.cho...@g.austincc.edu jchoate00...@gmail.com james.cho...@twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] Cypherpunks mailing list
Speaking as one of the two people who started that particular effort, it never quite worked out that way. Way too many TLAs, law suits, IRS visits, and those who read their own press releases to make it nearly as enjoyable as it sounds. Moritz mor...@headstrong.de wrote: On 25.03.2013 09:25, Adam Back wrote: because its a silly domain that people who dislike inviting their addition to a watch-list will avoid. Isn't exactly that a nice property of a cypherpunks list? Maybe someone with a more neutral domain could try it - or a cypherpunks.* domain if they have a listserv handy. Cypherpunks is a distributed mailing list. A subscriber can subscribe to one node of the list and thereby participate on the full list. Each node (called a Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer [CDR], although they are not related to anonymous remailers) exchanges messages with the other nodes in addition to sending messages to its subscribers. --Mo ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)
Lodewijk andré de la porte l...@odewijk.nl wrote: To politics there is more than the destructive side. That is the funniest thing I've read in a long while. You sir don't have a drop of Cypherpunk blood in your body. -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jamescho...@austin.rr.com jcho...@confusionresearchcenter.org rav...@ssz.com james.cho...@g.austincc.edu jchoate00...@gmail.com james.cho...@twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
Re: [cryptography] New mailing list for crypto politics/non-tech (Was: Cypherpunks mailing list)
Actually, you're both wrong. Politics is a coping strategy we inherited from our social ancestors, nothing scientific or intelligent about it - it's an emotional behavior. http://www.google.com/#hl=engs_rn=7gs_ri=psy-abcp=13gs_id=1gxhr=tq=chimpanzee+politicses_nrs=truepf=psclient=psy-aboq=chimpanzee+pogs_l=pbx=1bav=on.2,or.r_qf.bvm=bv.44158598,d.b2Ifp=14b8b13aa4492d2cbiw=1751bih=873 Moritz mor...@headstrong.de wrote: Can we slowly move back to crypto on this list, and discuss politics and cypherpunk or whatever definitions on the new one? On 26.03.2013 06:19, James A. Donald wrote: Politics is collective decision making. Cypherpunk is opposed to collective decision making. Definition of POLITICS [Merriam-Webster] 1 a : the art or science of government b : the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy c : the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government 2 : political actions, practices, or policies 3 a : political affairs or business; especially : competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as in a government) b : political life especially as a principal activity or profession c : political activities characterized by artful and often dishonest practices 4 : the political opinions or sympathies of a person 5 a : the total complex of relations between people living in society b : relations or conduct in a particular area of experience especially as seen or dealt with from a political point of view ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus jamescho...@austin.rr.com jcho...@confusionresearchcenter.org rav...@ssz.com james.cho...@g.austincc.edu jchoate00...@gmail.com james.cho...@twcable.com h: 512-657-1279 w: 512-845-8989 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Confusion_Research_Center http://confusionresearchcenter.org http://arbornet.org (ravage) Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- ___ cryptography mailing list cryptography@randombit.net http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
