Re: [css-d] FOUC problem?

2006-12-22 Thread Dr. Martin Krumme
~davidLaakso wrote:

 When scrolling down, and then re-loading, the page jumps to the top and 
 simultaneously flashes the *styled* content. AFAIK, this is correct 
 behavior.
 FOUC is usually associated with the CSS @import rule, which you do not 
 seem to be using.

David,

obviously I used the wrong term - it should be FOSC (styled 
content). I remarked the flashing and concluded the wrong, the more so 
as FF does not behave in that way. Anyway, thank you very much for 
clarification.

Have I nice christmas.

Martin
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Re: [css-d] FOUC problem?

2006-12-22 Thread Dr. Martin Krumme
Hi Francky,

francky wrote:
 To diminish the effect, you can place the logo and the other sidebar 
 images in the background: then they don't show in the flash updown. :-)
 I tested this with the logo (right side images not yet done).

that's a nice idea. Thank you for the example. I will certainly try that 
on the right sidebar.

 Then I noticed that in IE the first arrow in the list after the list 
 heading doesn't show. That can be repaired by adding {position: 
 relative} to the dl.

And thank you for the sharp view. Another way to repair that is to 
insert height: 1% into an ie-stylesheet. But your method is the simple 
and better way.

Have nice christmas days!

Martin
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Re: [css-d] Why does IE 7 render div margin wrongly?

2006-12-22 Thread Chris Ovenden
Hey! This was my first IE bug, too. Have fun with the rest. (If you
read around positioniseverything you'll be prepared for most of them.)

On 12/20/06, Jeroen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've been learning CSS for a while and am now translating a
 photoshop/illustrator design
 to CSS. It renders correctly in Firefox/Opera/IE 7 but does not in IE
  7 without having a dirty fix. (* html trick).

 Example: http://www.home.intellit.nl/np/test

 Although i have it fixed, and it works now. I don't know why IE
 behaves this way.
 Can someone shed some light on this, since i don't understand why IE does 
 this,
 i won't learn from 'my' mistakes ;)

 If you remove this code:

 * html div.albuminfo {
 margin-left: 18px; /* Fix for IE, Why does IE  7 render it wrongly? 
 */
  }

 you'll see what i mean with rendering incorrectly; the DIV is placed
 too far to the right, it looks like IE doubles the margin-left: value,
 which should actually be 35px.

 BTW: If someone has IE5.5 handy, i would love to hear if it renders
 correctly with the fix in place. (or a mac for that matter).

 Thanks!

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Re: [css-d] CSS - Single or Multiple - Advise requested

2006-12-22 Thread Ingo Chao
Gate Wizard wrote:
 Currently our project uses 1 main.css which is getting to be quite large.
 Project: http://forums.ikonforums.com/
 
 I have thought about splitting it into sections
 
 example:
 /* main.css */
 
 /* ![CDATA[ */
 
   @import url(style.css);
 
   @import url(structure.css);
 
 /* ]] */
 
 /* End main.css */
 
 
 My question is this:
 would splitting the css into smaller, more manageable files cause excessive
 load on browser rendering,
 or have other unwanted side-effects ?
 
 The reason behind splitting the css is for the user's ability to customize
 the skin (background gradients and colors)
 by changing properties in style.css while maintaining overall structure.
 
 Advise appreciated.
 Thank you in advance for all replies.
 -G7W

There is some information about this topic in our wiki.
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=MaintainableCss

Although maintainance benefits are more important, you can check the 
speed in the new firebug extension for firefox. Choose Net+All or 
Net+ CSS to see the effect [2], if any, in the timeline.

HTH

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[css-d] Applying background Image

2006-12-22 Thread Raghavendhran, Kavita
Is it possible to put a background image to a table header using CSS.
What I have noticed is that the image is applied to every cell, which I
do not want.

 

Thanks,

Kavita



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[css-d] Unclickable password field

2006-12-22 Thread Barney Carroll
[http://bssh.test.textmatters.com/login/login_form]

This is driving me absolutely insane. Under IE6, the password field is 
not clickable. I'm told this can't be anything other than a CSS issue, 
and I'm tempted to agree, although nothing I've tried works.

Any ideas what's screwing it up?

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Re: [css-d] Unclickable password field

2006-12-22 Thread George Ornbo
On 12/22/06, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [http://bssh.test.textmatters.com/login/login_form]

 This is driving me absolutely insane. Under IE6, the password field is
 not clickable. I'm told this can't be anything other than a CSS issue,
 and I'm tempted to agree, although nothing I've tried works.

 Any ideas what's screwing it up?

 Regards,
 Barney


Looks fine on a Mac.

The input tags are not closed which could be causing it. Run it through the
validators first http://validator.w3.org/ and
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/.

If the problem still occurs debug by taking out rules from your CSS file
until you work out which one is causing the issue.

Cheers
George

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Re: [css-d] Unclickable password field

2006-12-22 Thread Alex Robinson
At 11:04 + 22/12/06, Barney Carroll wrote:
[http://bssh.test.textmatters.com/login/login_form]

This is driving me absolutely insane. Under IE6, the password field is
not clickable. I'm told this can't be anything other than a CSS issue,
and I'm tempted to agree, although nothing I've tried works.

Any ideas what's screwing it up?


There are two usual causes for this kind of behaviour.

1. Something with a higher z-index is overlaying the element in 
question (but you just can't see it)

2. position:relative has been declared on some ancestor element and 
unless pos:rel is applied to some intermediate ancestor, IE hust 
won't play ball


In your case, it looks like 2. Applying position:relative to the div 
whose class is infoblock seems to fix things.

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Re: [css-d] Unclickable password field

2006-12-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Barney Carroll wrote:
 [http://bssh.test.textmatters.com/login/login_form]
 
 This is driving me absolutely insane. Under IE6, the password field 
 is not clickable. I'm told this can't be anything other than a CSS 
 issue, and I'm tempted to agree, although nothing I've tried works.
 
 Any ideas what's screwing it up?

IE6 needs 'Layout'[1]...

There's an id with no ID or CLASS in #content, and the lack of 'Layout'
on that div makes IE lose track of where is what and stacking-order.

You may either add/correct...

#content div {height: 1%;}
#content h1.DesktopTitle {margin-top: 0;}

...or give that div a CLASS and target it directly with a 'hasLayout'
trigger. That'll make IE6 come to its senses, and probably save your
sanity too:-)

regards
Georg

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Re: [css-d] Applying background Image

2006-12-22 Thread Devon Miller
On 12/22/06, Raghavendhran, Kavita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is it possible to put a background image to a table header using CSS.
 What I have noticed is that the image is applied to every cell, which I
 do not want.

Yes, this will apply a background image to the entrie table:

table { background-image: url(somethiing.png); }

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Re: [css-d] [solved] Unclickable password field

2006-12-22 Thread Barney Carroll
Alex, Georg, you saved my life.

I had tried individually applying hasLayout to the field to no effect, 
and thought that since the text right next to it (in fact it was 
possible to click within the field but only on the left-most 1px) and 
the other inputs were completely mouse-interactive, it couldn't be the 
case of a higher or adjacent object's lack of hasLayout.

  2. position:relative has been declared on some ancestor element and
  unless pos:rel is applied to some intermediate ancestor, IE hust won't
  play ball

I did not know this. Very useful information.

Cheers,
Barney
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Re: [css-d] massive gap on the footer div

2006-12-22 Thread Sathish T
Phil Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Help please I cant close up the gap on the footer div
 I want the dotted lines on the various divs to meet up
 without the big white gap.

 You can see it here
 http://www.yourplanetneedsyou.org/

The padding-bottom and margin-bottom of #navbox have very large values, which
is causing the problem..

Regards
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Re: [css-d] Horizontal list menu misbehaves in IE 6

2006-12-22 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Mark Baber wrote:
 In order to reproduce a client site, I've used ul li lists for the top 
 navigation menu. There are special graphical images on the left AND right 
 sides of the list items that must change when the anchor is hovered over. For 
 that reason I added the spans in there, especially as without the spans, I 
 can't get a li:hover background-image to show up.
 (But that's another problem, which I don't have to deal with at the moment.) 
 Let's just leave the spans in there for a moment.

 Anyway, it all looks fine in FF 2.0, but things go strange in IE 6.

 I have added a special color blue so that it's obvious what happens.
 When you hover over the menu items in IE6, you can see that the 
 background-color of the anchor is leaching over the top of that same anchor's 
 background-image.
 To the same width as the parent li.

 I tried to track this down with FF Firebug, but of course that doesn't work 
 in IE :) and I can't figure out why the blue bit extends over.

 It's not the padding-bottom that's causing the error - I tried changing it 
 and that does affect something else, but not this leaching problem.

 The site is a subdomain:  http://spip.novado.ch/squelettes/pmcbox.html
   

Mark,

I don't have time at the moment to look into this, but since you haven't 
received any responses yet, I wanted to point out that you *can* use 
Firebug in IE on your own pages, by adding a piece of JavaScript to your 
page while testing. Read up on it here:
http://www.getfirebug.com/lite.html

Also, Iyour messages says the bug occurs in IE6, but if I'm correctly 
interpreting your bug, I'm seeing it in IE7 as well. Can you confirm this?

Zoe

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Re: [css-d] Printing problem

2006-12-22 Thread Russ Peters
 Hi Russ,
 About the css-validation: I always see this kind of message if the
 (x)html is not validating. While your page is validating now, I
suspect
 it is something with the https-connection, that the css-validator
cannot
 handle.
 Anyway, a direct call to the css-validator is working: no errors
found,
 just a bunch of warnings.
 
 Now the real question!
 The culprit is the {overflow:auto} setting of the #submain wrapper. On
 screen you'll get a scrollbar, but that doesn't exist on paper. :-)
 So an {overflow: visible} in a print stylesheet will do it
 Success and greetings,
 francky
 
Perfect!!! You got it Francky, thanks a ton for your help.  That was it.
I added the style #submain {overflow:visible;} to override the main
style sheet and it looks great. 

Russ

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Re: [css-d] The clip property - what's the logic behind it?

2006-12-22 Thread David Hucklesby
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:04:52 +0100, 
 Rafael Holt wrote:


 I've been playing with clip recently and it seems to me the spec is a bit 
 counter-
 intuitive. [...]

francky replied:

 Hi Raphael,
 According to the css2.1 specs
 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visufx.html#propdef-clip
 ... a clipped element is *not* removing certain parts of the element by 
 shrinking the
 margins, but is a porthole to a *defined area* of the element (mostly: image) 
 which has
 to be shown. It is a bit confusing because it is a completely other way of 
 thinking! :-)

 * See examples over here

 http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/imaging/clipping-images-with-css-a.htm

 [...]

Wow. Lots of good information there, Franky. Thank you for all your good 
research.
The only use I have made of the clipping rectangle is to provide text animation
using JavaScript[1]. Not a subject for this discussion group, but a CSS property
nonetheless.

When dealing with CSS layout, I think I will stick to one of the alternatives 
that 
Franky proposes, rather than attempting to use the clip property. A good 
question and a helpful answer. Thank you both.

Cordially,
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Re: [css-d] Applying background Image

2006-12-22 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Raghavendhran, Kavita wrote:
 Is it possible to put a background image to a table header using CSS.
 What I have noticed is that the image is applied to every cell, which I
 do not want.
   

Do you mean you applied the background image to the thead element? What 
browsers is this happening in? Can we see a page?

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[css-d] background-position

2006-12-22 Thread Barney Carroll
I have an object of indeterminate height whose lower right-hand corner 
needs to have a little background icon.

The object is a list item and can have one two or three lines of text, 
and the image is a single non-repeating arrow - ideally I would like to 
specify the distance between its bottom and the li bottom, its right 
from the li right.

Am I right in thinking this is impossible?

Regards,
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Re: [css-d] IE6 Woes - Please Help!

2006-12-22 Thread ~davidLaakso
Aaron Roberson wrote:
 I have a two column layout with a two column nested within one of the
 columns. The Headings for the outer columns are styled and rendered
 correctly in IE and Firefox. The Headings in the nested columns are
 another story.
 http://csufresno.edu/friendsofce/layout.php
   
[trim]

Bunch of things, Aaron-- among them, but not limited to, setting height on h2 
(not good for font-scaling), use of negative margin on h2 (not-necessary), use 
of padding on width bearing containers (box model issue), and more...
These changes will not necessarily get you out of the woods. But it is a start. 
The goal is to /try/ to get 6 working without hacking it up one side and down 
the other.

--Delete the conditional comment for ie.

Amend (taking the horiz padding off  re-calculating widths:
#news{  background-color: lime;
/*width:256px;*/
width: 309px;
/*padding:20px; padding-left:33px;*/
padding: 20px 0 20px 0;
float:left;
}
Add this ruleset:
#news p {
  padding: 0 20px 0 33px;
}
Amend:
#news h2{
color:#b5a967;
   /*   height:24px; */
background:#8c;
/*margin:10px -20px; padding:10px; */
 margin: 0; padding: 20px  0 20px 30px;
}
Amend:
#summary{ background-color: fuchsia;
/*width: 605px; */width: 645px;
/*padding:20px;*/
padding: 20px 0;
float:right;
}
Add this ruleset:
#summary p {
   padding: 0 20px;
}
Amend:
#summary h2{
color:#b5a967;
/*height:24px;*/
background:#1f3651;
/*margin:10px -7px 10px -20px; padding:10px;*/
  margin: 0; padding: 20px  0 20px 20px;
}
Amend:
#support{
clear:both;
float:left;
/*width:245px;*/
width: 278px;
border-right:1px solid #ccc;
/*padding:10px; padding-top:0;*/
padding: 0 0 10px 0;
/*margin-left:-10px; */
}
Add this ruleset:
#support p {
  padding: 0 10px;
}
Amend:
#support h2{
color:#b5a967;
/*height:24px;*/
background:#8c;
/*margin:0 -20px; padding:10px; */
   margin: 0; padding: 20px  0 20px 20px;
}
Amend:
#founder{
width:365px;
float:right;
/*padding:10px; padding-top:0;*/
padding:  0 0 10px 0;
}
Add this ruleset:
#founder p {
padding:  0 10px;
}
Amend:
#founder h2{
color:#b5a967;
/*height:24px;*/
background:#1f3651;
/*margin:0 -17px 10px -20px; padding:10px; */
margin: 0; padding: 20px  0 20px 20px;
}

I am not able to remember what I forgot :-) .
HTH,
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Re: [css-d] IE6 Woes - Please Help!

2006-12-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Aaron Roberson wrote:
 http://csufresno.edu/friendsofce/layout.php

1: IE6' 'margin-doubling on float' bug for #support.
Add...
#support{display: inline;}

...and delete...
!--[if lte IE 6]
style type=text/css
#support{
width:255px;
}
/style
![endif]--
...since it won't be needed anymore.

2: both h2's suffers from IE's 'stacking problems'.
Add...
#support h2, #founder h2{position: relative;}
...to fix that bug.

That should be it, resulting in identical rendering across browser-land.

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[css-d] Footer problem with 3 col layout

2006-12-22 Thread Diane Ross
Happy Holidays to everyone.

I'm trying to convert my volunteer site from tables to CSS. I used the
example on http://www.positioniseverything.net/guests/3colcomplexside.html
for my base. The footer for the layout was in the container div, but I want
mine to go across the bottom. I added a clear div that I thought was going
to push it down, but it's not working. I'm a newbie and appreciate any help
you can offer so I can get to the real work of updating the content. GoLive
has mangled the code with extraneous divs. They have multiplied like
bunnies.  :-)  

Not sure if this is part of the same positioning question, but I need all
the columns to be of equal height. I just don't know enough to understand
where the problem is located.

I tried putting the cleardiv2 before and after contents, but the results
were the same.

You can view page (obviously rough) here:

http://www.test.entourage.mvps.org/

--
div id=cleardiv2/div
/div!--this is the end of container--

div id=footer
   footer info goes here
/div
div id=bottom/div
/body


CSS
 #cleardiv2
 {
 clear: both;
 height: 1em;
 }

/**Begin Footer**/
div#footer {
border-top: 2px solid #5C73BA;
text-align: center;
}

Great listI'm learning a lot.

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Re: [css-d] Site check: IE5 on Mac9.x needed

2006-12-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Mary Ellen Curtin wrote:
 Yes! that works. I still don't understand why the login box's 
 position:absolute caused the problem -- I mean, pos:abs is supposed 
 to take it right out of the document flow, right?

Yes, but absolute positioned elements are positioned relative to
something, and the relation - and thereby also the position wasn't the
right one. Stacking/layering and thereby visibility can be affected in
most browsers if we get such relations wrong, and IE/Mac had most
problems with it this time. I lost partial/total sight of that table in
several browsers, while checking for those relations.

 And the client says it's still acting as though the paragraph below 
 the floatwrap is still inside the left float. This doesn't show up on
  browsercam -- is it something where I have to move around the screen
  to activate?

Can't see any problems in my IE/Mac version (or any other of my
browsers), and I don't have access to OS9. That paragraph can become
pretty narrow - down to one word width - on very narrow windows though,
since neither IE/Mac nor IE6/win understands 'min-width'.

 http://tinyurl.com/ttxgq

May be worth fixing the source-code though, as it isn't XHTML...
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://thelawyersleague.com/
...and some browsers may not be able to handle and correct all 36 errors.

regards
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Re: [css-d] CDATA?

2006-12-22 Thread Sasha Gerrand
On 23/12/06, Chris Pallé [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All, I have a question regarding this bit of syntax I see several
 people using:


 /* ![CDATA[ */

 css stuff here

 /* ]] */


 The only time I've used CDATA is creating a DTD. What is it's
 usefulness/purpose here?

You need to use CDATA containers to allow inline CSS/JavaScript
content to validate when checking XHTML documents[1].

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#h-4.8
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Re: [css-d] CDATA?

2006-12-22 Thread David Dorward
On 22/12/06, Chris Pallé [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The only time I've used CDATA is creating a DTD. What is it's
 usefulness/purpose here?

XML DTDs don't allow elements to be specified as containing CDATA, so
you have to be explicit in the document that the content is CDATA or
use entities to represent any  or  characters in the stylesheet.

If you are serving the XHTML document as text/html then things get
rather more complicated.

Its easier to use link elements with external stylesheets instead (and
to use HTML 4.01).

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Re: [css-d] Negative background position: pixels work, percent doesn't...?

2006-12-22 Thread francky
Stephanie Leary wrote:

Thanks, Ingo. I'm sure this will start making sense after a couple more
aspirin...
  

Hi Stephanie,
Good news: you can forget the aspirin, and even no coffee needed! ;-)
After some days of scratchin' my head I got the aha! for the simple 
css solution that I was feeling to be present.

First: we forget the background-image to be shifted left or right with a 
certain %.
Second: then we can forget the exact computing of it in px (by hand or 
by javascript).
Third: a background-position in a % has its own rules, as Ingo 
explained. - But a simple p we can give a width of a % of the 
containing element, no px needed.

So we can style a p line with a content of the % number ... as 
inline-block with that % as width.
We give this p a background-color ... and: ready! :-)

* Here is the example
  
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-progress-test_a.htm

And now we have made this, we can add a background-img to this p which 
has already the % width (the background cannot peep out of this width).
For instance the well known Windows progress blocks:

* Example 2
  
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-progress-test_b.htm

Or you can make your own variants (free to choose aligned left or 
aligned right):

* Example 3
  
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-progress-test_c.htm
* Example 4
  
http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-progress-test_d.htm

I think in this way (% as inline-style!) it's easy to adapt the page 
every now and then with the actual data
- without calculator, without javascript, and without much chance to 
make errors (the % has to be put in the html twice, but just in the same 
line: easy to change).

The only beauty error is in IE: at small %%, IE is extending the width 
(as usual for IE) of the p-background to the width of the text inside. 
At about 14% or 15% the % is exactly the indicated % of the width of the 
bar. But assuming this progress bar is not for scientific purposes, 
there is no need to fix IE, and I guess everybody can live and/or sleep 
with it.

Whishing you good days [1],
francky

[1]
Time to read Ingo's story and links at ease, without aspirine. ;-)


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Re: [css-d] Negative background position: pixels work, percent doesn't...?

2006-12-22 Thread francky
Hi Stephanie,
Here good news part II: screenshots came back, and Saphari is taking it, 
as well as other browsers.

* Results browsershots.org
  
http://browsershots.org/website/http://home.tiscali.nl/developerscorner/css-discuss/test-progress-test_a.htm

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Re: [css-d] Footer problem with 3 col layout

2006-12-22 Thread ~davidLaakso
Diane Ross wrote:
 I'm trying to convert my volunteer site from tables to CSS. I used the
 example on http://www.positioniseverything.net/guests/3colcomplexside.html
 for my base. The footer for the layout was in the container div, but I want
 mine to go across the bottom trimmed]. 

 Not sure if this is part of the same positioning question, but I need all
 the columns to be of equal height. I just don't know enough to understand
 where the problem is locatedtrimmed]


 http://www.test.entourage.mvps.org/

   
I don't know what the footer solution is with that particular layout. If 
you are not far along, and can, or are willing to switch layouts, the 3 
column layout on this page 
http://alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins includes a footer 
across the entire bottom, and the tutorial explains the use of images to 
create faux columns for it. It is similar to (but a little different) 
than what you are using. If you prefer a fixed width, or min/max width 
layout, wrap the whole ball of wax within a containing division with an 
appropriate width assigned to it. This navbar 
http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm is 
cross-browser reliable, too-- and will work well with the negative 
margin layout: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm.
Best,
~dL

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Re: [css-d] CDATA?

2006-12-22 Thread Brian Gottier
This is very interesting. I installed a Google map into my site last
weekend, and it used CDATA. I wondered what it was for, but didn't
investigate. It also had some proprietary code for microsoft, but I deleted
it and it still seems to work fine. The Google code seems to have validation
errors whenever it sees a closing tag in one of the map's point's text
balloons, but I wasn't going to worry about it.

Merry Christmas,
R.B. Gottier
Temecula, CA








Hi All, I have a question regarding this bit of syntax I see several
people using:


/* ![CDATA[ */

css stuff here

/* ]] */


The only time I've used CDATA is creating a DTD. What is it's
usefulness/purpose here?

THanks


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Re: [css-d] Pitfalls of overflow

2006-12-22 Thread Rafael Holt
On 20/12/06, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi Raf,

 This site is fantastic - there's loads of fantastic little bits of css
 here I'd like to pull apart. The overflow selector for the drop-down
 menu is very, very cool.

 Sadly this wouldn't work for me because I can't select the parent of a
 :hover element (besides, the flyouts are only revealed after the a -
 they're not hover-based), and in any case toggling the overflow would
 cause the page to become 3 pixels high.

 Regards,
 Barney


Hi Barney

I'm glad you liked it, I've been at it for a few weeks now. Unfortunately I
keep adding more complex CSS to it that only Firefox, Opera and Safari
understand and I fear the fix for IE6 is going to be a hell of a job! I'll
just have to add more classes and ids for it.

This is an area where I think CSS is quite deficient. The inability to
affect the parent of something like you say. Something like #item 
div:hover {color:red;} would be nice, and I've wanted it before (where 
selects the parent). Unfortunately it seems like you might have to resort to
javascript. You can't just apply :hover to the parent directly?

All the best,

Rafael
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