Re: [css-d] Top Border on Fieldset gone AWOL in IE
Holly Bergevin wrote:
From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.kuroiweb.com/forms/
This performs exactly as expected in FF, but in IE6 and IE7 the top
border (the only one set) on all fieldsets except the last one is not
visible
Hi Peter,
In your ie_styles.css, remove the width from the legend ruleset and IE should
play along.
legend {
position: relative;
left: -7px;
top: -0.75em;
/* width: 100%; */ /* remove this */
}
Side benefit (tee hee) - the horizontal scroll bar goes away, too.
~holly
Many thanks Holly. This put me on the right path.
I inserted the width:100% to cope with a problem specific to IE7,
namely that each word of the fieldset legend is being wrapped. This can
be seen at http://www.kuroiweb.com/forms/ and using display:block
(which would have been a better solution than width:100% anyway) also
causes the top border to run for cover. Setting an fixed width gives it
partial cover for the duration of the width (big clue huh?).
If there's a quick solution to this I'd be interested. It appears to be
wrapped up with the use of relative positioning on the legend. Doesn't
matter what I do, remove the top: -0.75em or give it a positive value,
so long as the legend is relative and has a width, that top-border
doesn't play nicely.
Not a huge deal if there's no easy answer, as I've managed to work
around it by dropping the relative positioning
(http://www.kuroiweb.com/forms2/), so this is mainly just 'cos I don't
like getting beat on these issues.
Peter
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Re: [css-d] Online vs. Local and ID vs. Class weirdnesses?
Absolutely. Drove me nuts for a while. :-) I don't know if any other browsers do it, as I've not had a problems so far, but IE6 was my culprit. I did not explicitly define the sizes of images, leaving the browser to work them out for itself. According to Georg Sørtun, IE6 can't cope, especially with large images and gives up its size calculation part way through, with disastrous results. I don't think I ever saw it happen locally, but online it would depend on the time of day (number of DSL users) and the connection speed, so it was variable in effect, and I was getting intermittent complaints from my client. The solution - declare all image widths and heights. In my case, instant cure. Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: Melton Cartes To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:10 AM Subject: [css-d] Online vs. Local and ID vs. Class weirdnesses? Has anyone experienced any of the following? Layout problems or works doesn't work depending on if you're looking at the site online (uploaded and refreshed) as opposed to looking at it locally (from your hard drive) or via the internet but through your public folder? And... Styles working for classes but not IDs? Why? mc __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Image displacement
Hi all. Another couple of problems that are driving me insane once more. g I am using image (background) displacement to simulate the movement of a 'switch tab' on a pipe organ. Each image category (there are four) is a .png compiled from three separate images placed one above the other in a vertical line. The initial images are correctly positioned and the a:hover state works fine too. However, the a:active state is acting strangely in all browsers tested so far. What should happen is that in the a:active state the last (lowest) part of the image starting at 250px from the top of the image, should be placed in the containing div at 0 0, which it does, but it appears to be wrapping vertically so that 11px of the image below 250px appears at the bottom of the div, where there should be nothing. I can't see why this should be a placement problem and wonder if it's to do with the way z-index is handled, or is it because I have misunderstood the way that transparent images are supposed to be rendered when displaced within a set size div? The other problem is that at the bottom of each 'tab' image there is a figure and under that a three letter abbreviation. So that they can be styled and placed precisely, I've given each a separate definition, but they are defined in the HTML as spans because a href rules won't allow a div to be used. They are not picked up by the anchor state in IE, consequently they cannot be picked up by the parent div's a:active state, so I can't change their characteristics (text size etc) to follow the background image appearing to be smaller, when the mouse is clicked. The correct effect can be seen on the top text for each image, which is working correctly as expected. Can anyone think of a way of achieving this with text, as I don't want to have to resort to further graphical text manipulation? I've uploaded the site to: http://www.webbwize.co.uk/Test_Area/VTPO/ the stylesheet is at: http://www.webbwize.co.uk/Test_Area/VTPO/scripts/stylesheet.css and relevant images are in: http://www.webbwize.co.uk/Test_Area/VTPO/images and subfolders. I know that there are further problems with IE6, but I'll address those later. Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Image displacement
Alan K Baker wrote:
http://www.webbwize.co.uk/Test_Area/VTPO/
[...] I can't see why this should be a placement problem and wonder
if it's to do with the way z-index is handled, or is it because I
have misunderstood the way that transparent images are supposed to be
rendered when displaced within a set size div?
The addition of...
.couplertab li a, .fluetab li a, .reedtab li a, .stringtab li a {
background-repeat: no-repeat;
}
...will fix the problem with the shorter background.
[...] The correct effect can be seen on the top text for each image,
which is working correctly as expected.
Except that small font-sizes do not survive 'minimum font size' or
'ignore font size'.
Can anyone think of a way of achieving this with text, as I don't
want to have to resort to further graphical text manipulation?
Address them as...
#navbar li a:active span { /* and style to your liking */ }
Delete the 'z-index: 200;' on '.abbreviate, .pitch' while you're at it,
as it serves no purpose.
Additional comments:
The whole construction makes me wonder why there are so many DIVs and
ULs in there, as one UL and a number of LIs with anchors would work just
fine.
All backgrounds with all states can be contained in one image, and
horizontal background-offset be used to line them up as what you have
now. Will make the whole thing less complicated I think, and one image
loads faster. You can also tune the image a bit and make it 8bit png,
which will make IE6 more cooperative.
Remember that IE6 'auto-expands' empty elements, as IE/win sees
imaginary spaces in empty elements.
Declaring 'overflow: hidden' on them or simply placing an HTML comment
as only content inside them, will make IE6 stop expanding them.
regards
Georg
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Re: [css-d] Image displacement
- Original Message -
From: Gunlaug Sørtun
To: Alan K Baker
Cc: css-d
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [css-d] Image displacement
Alan K Baker wrote:
http://www.webbwize.co.uk/Test_Area/VTPO/
The addition of...
.couplertab li a, .fluetab li a, .reedtab li a, .stringtab li a {
background-repeat: no-repeat;
}
...will fix the problem with the shorter background.
Absolutely on the nose, Georg. I do feel silly for missing that one, but then
it's obvious after it's been pointed out. :-)
[...] The correct effect can be seen on the top text for each image, which
is working correctly as expected.
Except that small font-sizes do not survive 'minimum font size' or 'ignore
font size'.
Agreed, but then how far do you go to accomodate everyone? My main criteria is
to have the text fit the tabs and have the entire presentation look like the
'real thing', to those 'in the know'.
Can anyone think of a way of achieving this with text, as I don't want to
have to resort to further graphical text manipulation?
Address them as...
#navbar li a:active span { /* and style to your liking */ }
Thanks for that Georg. Something I needed to learn. :-)
Delete the 'z-index: 200;' on '.abbreviate, .pitch' while you're at it, as it
serves no purpose.
One that got 'left-over' when moving things around, it will be banished. g
Additional comments:
The whole construction makes me wonder why there are so many DIVs and ULs in
there, as one UL and a number of LIs with anchors would work just fine.
As with many of my 'projects', I'm always in a hurry to meet a deadline and
panic myself into taking the easy option, then maybe clean up afterwards. This
one has several 100Mb of music files for users to download, and I took the
files on because the forum-server that they are on, is almost full, so needs
emptying ASAP. This one's my own pet project, so it's only me to blame.
All backgrounds with all states can be contained in one image, and horizontal
background-offset be used to line them up as what you have now. Will make the
whole thing less complicated I think, and one image loads faster. You can
also tune the image a bit and make it 8bit png, which will make IE6 more
cooperative.
That sounds like a good idea and one I will consider as soon as the site is
actually 'live'. I presume that you are suggesting that each li is given a
style appropriate to its background image position. It's a nice solution, and
one that I am now keen to implement.
There may be one complication in that (if you've ever seen one of these
instruments) the console is shaped like a horseshoe, and the backboard which
contains all of the tabs is semi-circular, which means that the tabs nearer the
left and right sides are turned inwards by varying degrees. I'm aiming at
future expansion which would mean many more tabs, and as with the real thing,
they simply won't fit in a straight line in the available space. Although it's
straightforward enough to rotate the images, as they will still be in
straight-sided containers, it may prove quite difficult to make the 'squares'
overlap, using lis alone. Further comments appreciated.
Remember that IE6 'auto-expands' empty elements, as IE/win sees imaginary
spaces in empty elements. Declaring 'overflow: hidden' on them or simply
placing an HTML comment as only content inside them, will make IE6 stop
expanding them.
Will do. Again Georg, thanks for your sage advice.
regards
Georg
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Regards,
Alan.
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Re: [css-d] Image displacement
At 3:17 PM +0100 5/18/08, Alan K Baker wrote: There may be one complication in that (if you've ever seen one of these instruments) the console is shaped like a horseshoe, and the backboard which contains all of the tabs is semi-circular, which means that the tabs nearer the left and right sides are turned inwards by varying degrees. I'm aiming at future expansion which would mean many more tabs, and as with the real thing, they simply won't fit in a straight line in the available space. Although it's straightforward enough to rotate the images, as they will still be in straight-sided containers, it may prove quite difficult to make the 'squares' overlap, using lis alone. Further comments appreciated. Alan: These are only images. They can be arranged any way you want with rollovers anywhere you want. Your semi-circular tabs are quite simple as compared to this: http://webbytedd.com/bbb/map/ You see, all of what you described can be accomplished with css. Everything you need to do is illustrated in this link. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Top Border on Fieldset gone AWOL in IE
Hi,
Is there a beginner's site that teaches me, in simple terms, how to create
CSS files? The sites I tried so far are rather hard to follow. Also, if I
already have a site with lots of pages, is it possible/worthwhile to go the
CSS way midstream, or is too late?
Thanks in advance.
Harry
http://harry.cckerala.com
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From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 2:41 AM
Subject: Re: [css-d] Top Border on Fieldset gone AWOL in IE
Holly Bergevin wrote:
From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.kuroiweb.com/forms/
This performs exactly as expected in FF, but in IE6 and IE7 the top
border (the only one set) on all fieldsets except the last one is not
visible
Hi Peter,
In your ie_styles.css, remove the width from the legend ruleset and IE
should play along.
legend {
position: relative;
left: -7px;
top: -0.75em;
/* width: 100%; */ /* remove this */
}
Side benefit (tee hee) - the horizontal scroll bar goes away, too.
~holly
Many thanks Holly. This put me on the right path.
I inserted the width:100% to cope with a problem specific to IE7,
namely that each word of the fieldset legend is being wrapped. This can
be seen at http://www.kuroiweb.com/forms/ and using display:block
(which would have been a better solution than width:100% anyway) also
causes the top border to run for cover. Setting an fixed width gives it
partial cover for the duration of the width (big clue huh?).
If there's a quick solution to this I'd be interested. It appears to be
wrapped up with the use of relative positioning on the legend. Doesn't
matter what I do, remove the top: -0.75em or give it a positive value,
so long as the legend is relative and has a width, that top-border
doesn't play nicely.
Not a huge deal if there's no easy answer, as I've managed to work
around it by dropping the relative positioning
(http://www.kuroiweb.com/forms2/), so this is mainly just 'cos I don't
like getting beat on these issues.
Peter
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Re: [css-d] Nested div break in IE7
--- Daniel Botting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks fine in FF and Opera, a little broken in Konqueror and completely broken in IE7. Hi Daniel, I'm not sure as to exactly which IE bugs or CSS deviations are in play here, but I notice immediately that you might have much better luck by simplifying the markup and approach. I'm not sure why you are using absolute positioning to layout the nesting, but a true nested structure: div id=outer_content_box div id=inner_content_box ... inner content box goes here /div /div combined with padding on the outer box, and dimensions set only on the inner box, will allow the outer's background to poke through as a border, in (I think) your desired effect. This also has the advantage that the two boxes will remain aligned when text is resized. I've put up a full version at: http://www.fiveminuteargument.com/nested-divs.html Let me know if you have any further issue with this approach. Regards, - Bobby __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] short tag warning
Hi gang: The following link is generating a short tag warning in W3C validation. http://webbytedd.com/bbb/map/ What am I doing wrong and how do I fix it? Thanks, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] short tag warning
tedd wrote: The following link is generating a short tag warning in W3C validation. http://webbytedd.com/bbb/map/ Markup validation isn't a CSS issue, so it's off-topic in this list. But please re-read the explanation that the validator gives; in practice, you have li a id=AK href=#span ... which should be li a id=AK href=#span i.e. with a that closes the a tag. Jukka K. Korpela (Yucca) http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] short tag warning
At 10:04 PM +0300 5/18/08, Jukka K. Korpela wrote: tedd wrote: The following link is generating a short tag warning in W3C validation. http://webbytedd.com/bbb/map/ Markup validation isn't a CSS issue, so it's off-topic in this list. But please re-read the explanation that the validator gives; in practice, you have li a id=AK href=#span ... which should be li a id=AK href=#span i.e. with a that closes the a tag. Jukka: You are absolutely correct on both counts: 1. My question wasn't a css issue, my apologies to the list; 2. And. your answer solved the problem -- thanks. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Nested div break in IE7
I'm not sure why you are using absolute positioning to layout the nesting, but a true nested structure: div id=outer_content_box div id=inner_content_box ... inner content box goes here /div /div combined with padding on the outer box, and dimensions set only on the inner box, will allow the outer's background to poke through as a border, in (I think) your desired effect. This also has the advantage that the two boxes will remain aligned when text is resized. I've put up a full version at: http://www.fiveminuteargument.com/nested-divs.html Hi Bobby, Thanks for the above, worked a treat. Now I'm sure it's something I've done and I've copied your code exactly but if I leave the style sheet embedded exactly as you have done it works fine: http://beta.bedazzled.name/ But if I use an external sheet it breaks: http://beta.bedazzled.name/external_style_sheet/ I can't for the life of me see any difference why it should do this? I'll keep the style sheets embedded but I'd prefer not to to avoid code bloat. Again thanks for your help and the solution to my problem. Daniel __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] diminishing lead-in paragraph
hello, I'm trying to create a diminishing lead-in paragraph like this: http://www.ozworkz.com/temp/leadin.png I'm not sure how to go about doing this correctly with xhtml/css. Also, I imagine that browser text size increase/decrease would just screw it up. So is something like this even possible? Thanks __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Nested div break in IE7
Hi Bobby, Worked it out, it was the base href that broke it when I used an external style sheet. I've had this before and it broke it that time only in IE6 with another page I was building. Please accept my apologies. Thanks Daniel Now I'm sure it's something I've done and I've copied your code exactly but if I leave the style sheet embedded exactly as you have done it works fine: http://beta.bedazzled.name/ But if I use an external sheet it breaks: http://beta.bedazzled.name/external_style_sheet/ I can't for the life of me see any difference why it should do this? I'll keep the style sheets embedded but I'd prefer not to to avoid code bloat. Again thanks for your help and the solution to my problem. Daniel __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] diminishing lead-in paragraph
Ryan Oswald wrote:
hello,
I'm trying to create a diminishing lead-in paragraph like this:
http://www.ozworkz.com/temp/leadin.png
I'm not sure how to go about doing this correctly with xhtml/css.
Also, I imagine that browser text size increase/decrease would just
screw it up.
So is something like this even possible?
It is possible to get the diminishing font size part of it quite easily
(see below).
Providing you can live with not setting a restrictive width for the
division the text is enclosed in;
and, can live with flush left/scatter right (text-align:left; rather
than text-align:justify;) the text will scale up /or/ down.
Otherwise, I am afraid you are out of luck...
CSS
body {font: 100% sans-serif;}
p {margin: 0;}
p.c1 {font-size: 130%;}
p.c2 {font-size: 110%;}
p.c3 {font-size: 100%;}
p.c4 {font-size: 95%;}
p.c5 {font-size: 90%;}
HTML
div
p class=c1.../p
p class=c2.../p
p class=c3.../p
p class=c4.../p
p class=c5.../p
/div
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[css-d] IE7 horizontal scroll
Why does IE7 cause this page to scroll horizontally? IE6 doesn't nor FF. http://lpnc.net -- Did you ever see an unhappy horse? Did you ever see bird that had the blues? One reason why birds and horses are not unhappy is because they are not trying to impress other birds and horses. -- Dale Carnegie Rick Pasotto[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.niof.net __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE7 horizontal scroll
Rick Pasotto wrote: Why does IE7 cause this page to scroll horizontally? IE6 doesn't nor FF. http://lpnc.net /Maybe/ because it is not recovering from the markup errors? http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Flpnc.net%2F -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Image displacement
Tedd. Granted that your map is quite an inspiration and as you imply, it's complex. However, I do believe that I may still have an equally difficult task ahead, not just due to partially rotated images, but also due to rotated text. Now that is going to be awkward without resorting to text images. g I do believe that you are right and that all can be achieved just with the use of CSS. A little lateral thinking perhaps? :-) Regards, Alan. www.theatreorgans.co.uk www.virtualtheatreorgans.com Admin: ConnArtistes, UKShopsmiths, 2nd Touch A-P groups Shopsmith 520 + bits Flatulus Antiquitus - Original Message - From: tedd To: css-d Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] Image displacement Alan: These are only images. They can be arranged any way you want with rollovers anywhere you want. Your semi-circular tabs are quite simple as compared to this: http://webbytedd.com/bbb/map/ You see, all of what you described can be accomplished with css. Everything you need to do is illustrated in this link. Cheers, tedd __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE7 horizontal scroll
On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 08:09:44PM -0400, David Laakso wrote: Rick Pasotto wrote: Why does IE7 cause this page to scroll horizontally? IE6 doesn't nor FF. http://lpnc.net /Maybe/ because it is not recovering from the markup errors? http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A%2F%2Flpnc.net%2F Evidently not. It now fully validates and still shows the same behavior. -- Exhilaration is that feeling you get just after a great idea hits you, and just before you realize what's wrong with it. -- Anonymous Rick Pasotto[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.niof.net __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
