Re: [css-d] article on fonts
Chris Blake wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-10689931 might be of interest to some. I find it interesting when they say 'helvetica = cheap' and that the BBC are using Arial and that there was someone on here saying that arial is harder to read, but OK in menus. I wish there was a set rule and more readily available fonts on people's systems. i want to do things the right way, which varies between jobs, but there must be standard generic setup - sure to work on most I know, it's not quite CSS :p BR, CB Same article: 8th paragraph 2nd sentence... And in the past week the BBC website has taken on a new look, replacing Verdana font with Arial (on PCs) and Neue Helvetica (on Macs). Good call for sans. Try it. And the future looks bright with CSS3. http://www.css3.info/preview/web-fonts-with-font-face/ Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] article on fonts
On 2010/07/21 12:39 (GMT+0800) Chris Blake composed: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-10689931 might be of interest to some. I find it interesting when they say 'helvetica = cheap' and that the BBC are using Arial and that there was someone on here saying that arial is harder to read, but OK in menus. Articles comparing Arial to Helvetica, particularly those favoring Arial, make me laugh. Arial is a Helvetica knockoff: http://www.ms-studio.com/articles.html However, not all Helveticas on computers are equivalent, or suitable for web pages: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/font-helvetica.html#bitmap I wish there was a set rule and more readily available fonts on people's systems. i want to do things the right way, which varies between jobs, but there must be standard generic setup - sure to work on most http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-CombinedResultsFull.shtml provides good detail on what people have. What's sure to work is allowing the user to choose - purely generic as it were. Just set serif or sans-serif, as your design or pleasure dictate, for body text, and most text will be exactly what the user's preference is set to, giving a predictable level of reading comfort and ease. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] css-d Digest, Vol 92, Issue 13
Yes, David you are right. I started with a template and was adapting it to my needs. I was not sure about the wrapper div and had left it for time being to see if I would need it. You have no CSS included in the CSS file for #wrapper, and you opened and closed #wrapper in the wrong order. My guess is that this happened to you because you marched to two different drums within the same layout. You took only some of the corrections the first drummer offered, and mixed those up [ literally ] with the corrections that the second drummer offered. Too many cooks spoil the broth. Thank you for this explanation Tim. It helps a lot. Kris Overflow: hidden is a funny thing. If you apply overflow: hidden to the body tag, then if your page goes outside of the window, it won't scroll. But on anything else, in order for things to be hidden by overflow: hidden, you need to specify dimensions (height especially). Since you have overflow: hidden on your container, but no height, it makes the container expand to fit everything in it (including floats, which is nice because those aren't usually contained, since they're out of the normal flow). I believe that any non-auto overflow value will do this, but with overflow: scroll you get scrollbars, even if you don't need them. I haven't looked at your page, but my guess is that your footer was floated, so the background wasn't showing up because the footer was outside of your container, but now you get the background because the float is inside the container. ---Tim __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] id and class selectors
Hi! Today's my birthday. Here's a gift for you: http://onwebdev.blogspot.com/2010/07/css-id-and-class-selectors-details.html Thank you for this article, I found it a good reinforcement of using id's and class's. I have a questions on styling lists and links in a div. I have been styling lists using id's example #div ul #div li #div li a #div li a:hover I followed a tutorial when I first did this and it worked. Then I thought this is wrong. There is more then one li and more then one link in the list so I changed them to class's and the styling did not work so I had to change them back to id's. I don't understand why, I just know it works and it validated. Is this because it is in a list? Kris __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] id and class selectors
TriState Advantage, Kris Jacobson wrote: Thank you for this article, I found it a good reinforcement of using id's and class's. I have a questions on styling lists and links in a div. I have been styling lists using id's example #div ul #div li #div li a #div li a:hover I followed a tutorial when I first did this and it worked. Then I thought this is wrong. There is more then one li and more then one link in the list so I changed them to class's and the styling did not work so I had to change them back to id's. I don't understand why, I just know it works and it validated. Is this because it is in a list? Did you change the hashes to periods in the CSS ? Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] more Opera printing weirdness
Which version of the Mac Opera do you have? Anyone else have Opera 10.6 (on a
PC) that would test for me?
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From: David Laakso [mailto:da...@chelseacreekstudio.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:25 PM
To: css-d
Cc: Angela French
Subject: Re: [css-d] more Opera printing weirdness
David Laakso wrote:
Angela French wrote:
Always a bit hesitant to put my test site URL out there, but here it is.
You can try this page.
http://checkoutacollege.com:8080/ExploreCareers/WorkerRetraining.aspx
Not sure. The primary difference that I get when printing the page in
latest versions of Mac Firefox and Mac Opera is twofold:
1/ The page background color prints fuchsia in Opera [ you have not
killed my default background-color ].
2/ The content-text is a little smaller in Opera than in Firefox.
Try:
#maincontent p, li, td
{
/*font-size: 9pt!important;
font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica;*/
font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
font -size: 11pt;
}
Best,
~d
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Re: [css-d] background color of a with class
Off course- it should be a:active!
what a silly mistake to make.
However,
both
#block-uc_catalog-0 a:active {
and
#block-uc_catalog-0 li a:active
won't show the background whilst #block-uc_catalog-0 a:hover {
works.
On 15-7-2010 15:15, Climis, Tim wrote:
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boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Tim Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:51 AM
To: Thijs Hakkenberg
Cc:css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] background color of a with class
On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Thijs Hakkenberg
th...@hakkenberg.com wrote:
Dear List,
I made an menu based on ul's and li's
(http://winkel.varkensinnood.nl)
with an a:hover turning the a element white.
However, when clicked thea element turns intoa
class=active.
I want to change the background color and should work with the
following
css:
#block-uc_catalog-0 a .active {
background: #fff;
}
(it's embedded in a DIV).
but this doesn't work. However,
#block-uc_catalog-0 a:hover {
background: #fff;
}
works.
What am I missing?
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If you copy/pasted into you message, the problem is that there is a
space between a and .active. It should be a.active not a .active
- Tim
Or, it could be that you mean a:active -- not sure, since we don't hvace code
to know if you have an active class.
--- Different Tim
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Re: [css-d] background color of a with class
a:active will only be styled for a brief second when you click a link and
must be listed AFTER a:hover in order to work. It seemed from your original
post that you were looking for styling that would persist for a menu item
that you had clicked on and now represented the current section. In that
case, you will have to, in fact, add a class.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Thijs Hakkenberg th...@hakkenberg.comwrote:
Off course- it should be a:active!
what a silly mistake to make.
However,
both
#block-uc_catalog-0 a:active {
and
#block-uc_catalog-0 li a:active
won't show the background whilst #block-uc_catalog-0 a:hover {
works.
On 15-7-2010 15:15, Climis, Tim wrote:
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boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Tim Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:51 AM
To: Thijs Hakkenberg
Cc:css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] background color of a with class
On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Thijs Hakkenberg
th...@hakkenberg.com wrote:
Dear List,
I made an menu based on ul's and li's
(http://winkel.varkensinnood.nl)
with an a:hover turning the a element white.
However, when clicked thea element turns intoa
class=active.
I want to change the background color and should work with the
following
css:
#block-uc_catalog-0 a .active {
background: #fff;
}
(it's embedded in a DIV).
but this doesn't work. However,
#block-uc_catalog-0 a:hover {
background: #fff;
}
works.
What am I missing?
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If you copy/pasted into you message, the problem is that there is a
space between a and .active. It should be a.active not a .active
- Tim
Or, it could be that you mean a:active -- not sure, since we don't hvace
code to know if you have an active class.
--- Different Tim
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Re: [css-d] background color of a with class
True, I was double mistaken.
The class is .active: http://winkel.varkensinnood.nl/catalog/2
so it should be .active after all.
However, both
#block-uc_catalog-0 a .active {
background-color:#69F;
}
as
#block-uc_catalog-0 li a .active {
background-color:#69F;
}
won't work...
On 21-7-2010 17:18, Tim Arnold wrote:
a:active will only be styled for a brief second when you click a link and
must be listed AFTER a:hover in order to work. It seemed from your original
post that you were looking for styling that would persist for a menu item
that you had clicked on and now represented the current section. In that
case, you will have to, in fact, add a class.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Thijs Hakkenbergth...@hakkenberg.comwrote:
Off course- it should be a:active!
what a silly mistake to make.
However,
both
#block-uc_catalog-0 a:active {
and
#block-uc_catalog-0 li a:active
won't show the background whilst #block-uc_catalog-0 a:hover {
works.
On 15-7-2010 15:15, Climis, Tim wrote:
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From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org [mailto:css-d-
boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Tim Arnold
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 8:51 AM
To: Thijs Hakkenberg
Cc:css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] background color of a with class
On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Thijs Hakkenberg
th...@hakkenberg.com wrote:
Dear List,
I made an menu based on ul's and li's
(http://winkel.varkensinnood.nl)
with an a:hover turning the a element white.
However, when clicked thea element turns intoa
class=active.
I want to change the background color and should work with the
following
css:
#block-uc_catalog-0 a .active {
background: #fff;
}
(it's embedded in a DIV).
but this doesn't work. However,
#block-uc_catalog-0 a:hover {
background: #fff;
}
works.
What am I missing?
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If you copy/pasted into you message, the problem is that there is a
space between a and .active. It should be a.active not a .active
- Tim
Or, it could be that you mean a:active -- not sure, since we don't hvace
code to know if you have an active class.
--- Different Tim
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Re: [css-d] id and class selectors
Kris, you should basically use cascade. For example, if you have a
structure like this:
div id=test
ul
li/li
!--more--
/ul
div
you can do this:
#test ul {}
#test ul li {}
if you want to apply particular styles to several lis, you can use
classes. On the contrary, if you want to stylize only one element, use
an ID.
HTH ^^
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Re: [css-d] background color of a with class
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Thijs Hakkenberg th...@hakkenberg.comwrote:
True, I was double mistaken.
The class is .active: http://winkel.varkensinnood.nl/catalog/2
so it should be .active after all.
However, both
#block-uc_catalog-0 a .active {
background-color:#69F;
}
as
#block-uc_catalog-0 li a .active {
background-color:#69F;
}
won't work...
Back to my original reply. You have a space between the a and .active
that you need to get rid of. a.active good, a .active bad.
-
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Re: [css-d] background color of a with class
#block-uc_catalog-0 a.active {
background-color:#69F;
}
won't change a thing.
#block-uc_catalog-0 li a.active {
background-color:#69F;
}
did the trick!
Thanks everyone.
On 21-7-2010 17:32, Tim Arnold wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Thijs Hakkenbergth...@hakkenberg.comwrote:
True, I was double mistaken.
The class is .active: http://winkel.varkensinnood.nl/catalog/2
so it should be .active after all.
However, both
#block-uc_catalog-0 a .active {
background-color:#69F;
}
as
#block-uc_catalog-0 li a .active {
background-color:#69F;
}
won't work...
Back to my original reply. You have a space between the a and .active
that you need to get rid of. a.active good, a .active bad.
-
tim.arn...@gmail.com
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Re: [css-d] more Opera printing weirdness
-Original Message-
From: David Laakso [mailto:da...@chelseacreekstudio.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:25 PM
To: css-d
Cc: Angela French
Subject: Re: [css-d] more Opera printing weirdness
David Laakso wrote:
Angela French wrote:
Always a bit hesitant to put my test site URL out there, but here it is.
You can try this page.
http://checkoutacollege.com:8080/ExploreCareers/WorkerRetraining.aspx
Not sure. The primary difference that I get when printing the page in
latest versions of Mac Firefox and Mac Opera is twofold:
1/ The page background color prints fuchsia in Opera [ you have not
killed my default background-color ].
2/ The content-text is a little smaller in Opera than in Firefox.
Try:
#maincontent p, li, td
{
/*font-size: 9pt!important;
font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica;*/
font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
font -size: 11pt;
}
It turns out that it is the background color in my non-print style sheet that
is creating the printing havoc (looks like a series of nested borders). If I
set the background-color to white in the print style sheet as David suggested
it prints fine. Does anyone know why this happens with Opera?
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[css-d] footer problem
hi everybody
i made a footer:
div id=footer
div id=bottom-image align=center
table
tr
td
a href=news.htmimg
src=images/news-bottom.gif height=37
alt= //a
/td
td
a href=music.htmimg
src=images/music-bottom.gif height=37
alt= //a
/td
td
a href=things.htmimg
src=images/things-bottom.gif
height=37 alt= //a
/td
td
i id=whata href=about.htmimg
src=images/what.gif
height=37 alt= //a/i
/td
/tr
/table
/div
/div
with css:
/* footer
---
*/
#footer {
position: fixed;
bottom: 0;
left: 0;
width: 100%;
height: 55px;
background: url(images/tlo-bottom.jpg) repeat-x left bottom;
}
#bottom-image {
padding-top: 10px;
}
#what {
position: absolute;
right: 10px;
bottom: 2px;
}
and it works: http://www.tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/things.htm
BUT...
what i wanted to achieve is that the NEWS, MUSIC and THINGS in the
footer are exactly in the middle, and the QUESTION MARK is on the
right. what i did with the code does the trick, but absolute position
of the QUESTION MARK causes problem when u resize the browser window
to a small one. then QUESTION MARK goes over the THINGS.
i would like it to be in the same table so if u resize it to a small
one then u just can't see them all and u have to scroll left or right
(just as it is with NEWS, MUSIC and THINGS when u resize the window to
a small one), and they don't come over each other. and in the same
time, so NEWS, MUSIC and THINGS exactly in the middle of the footer,
and the QUESTION MARK is on the right.
how to do it?? any ideas?
thanks
Tomo
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Re: [css-d] id and class selectors
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Gabriele Romanato gabriele.roman...@gmail.com wrote: Kris, you should basically use cascade. For example, if you have a structure like this: div id=test ul li/li !--more-- /ul div And you /probably/ shouldn't have a structure like that, since: ul id=test li/li !--more-- /ul can usually be styled accordingly. YMMV, of course. - Bobby __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] more Opera printing weirdness
Well I thought I got it to work with removing the background color, but it's
not. I was printing from multiple browsers and must have made a mistake on
which one worked. :-(
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From: David Laakso [mailto:da...@chelseacreekstudio.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:25 PM
To: css-d
Cc: Angela French
Subject: Re: [css-d] more Opera printing weirdness
David Laakso wrote:
Angela French wrote:
Always a bit hesitant to put my test site URL out there, but here it is.
You can try this page.
http://checkoutacollege.com:8080/ExploreCareers/WorkerRetraining.aspx
Not sure. The primary difference that I get when printing the page in
latest versions of Mac Firefox and Mac Opera is twofold:
1/ The page background color prints fuchsia in Opera [ you have not
killed my default background-color ].
2/ The content-text is a little smaller in Opera than in Firefox.
Try:
#maincontent p, li, td
{
/*font-size: 9pt!important;
font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica;*/
font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
font -size: 11pt;
}
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Re: [css-d] more Opera printing weirdness
Angela French wrote: Well I thought I got it to work with removing the background color, but it's not. I was printing from multiple browsers and must have made a mistake on which one worked. :-( Always a bit hesitant to put my test site URL out there, but here it is. You can try this page. http://checkoutacollege.com:8080/ExploreCareers/WorkerRetraining.aspx In Mac Opera/10.6, I changed my default preference for background from fuchsia to white. I left my personal preference for /minimum font-size/ in this browser intact at 32px. I clicked OperaFilePrintCopies 1Print. It printed fine on 4 pages. The type is very large because my pref font-size setting overrides. Best, ~d PS Please bottom post. Thanks. -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] more Opera printing weirdness
Angela French wrote: But when I set the body background to white, shouldn't that do the trick? Always a bit hesitant to put my test site URL out there, but here it is. You can try this page. http://checkoutacollege.com:8080/ExploreCareers/WorkerRetraining.aspx In Mac Opera/10.6, I changed my default preference for background from fuchsia to white. I left my personal preference for /minimum font-size/ in this browser intact at 32px. I clicked OperaFilePrintCopies 1Print. It printed fine on 4 pages. The type is very large because my pref font-size setting overrides. Best, ~d PS Please bottom post. Thanks. Yes, I would think so. Since you seem to get different results than mine -- assuming we are both using the same procedure to print -- I regret that I do not know what the problem is on your end. Note, that I am using Mac Opera/10.6; and, that I am unable to test the same browser on my PC at the moment. However, I rather doubt there might be any significant difference between Mac and PC for print? Best, ~d PS Please bottom post and cc the list so others may contribute their thoughts... Thanks. -- desktop http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] id and class selectors
On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Gabriele Romanato wrote:
Kris, you should basically use cascade. For example, if you have a
structure like this:
div id=test
ul
li/li
!--more--
/ul
div
you can do this:
#test ul {}
#test ul li {}
And you certainly can optimise those selectors for better performance and
simplicity:
#test ul { }
#test li { }
#test a { }
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Re: [css-d] footer problem
tomo jacobson wrote: hi everybody i made a footer: That's nice. I have a red pencil box: and, like most folks on this -- or any other list -- a limited amount of time... and it works: http://www.tomojacobson.art.pl/strona/things.htm 1/ In what operating system [s] / browser [s] does it work as you intend? 2/ In what operating system [s] / browser [s] does it /not/ work as you intend. Tomo Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
