Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Micky Hulse]

I wonder if the list has quieted down due to the fact that CSS has
gotten easier to use over the years?

It would be interesting to compare the list participation to the
deaths of older Internet Explorers. :)

On top of older IEs becoming a thing of the past, and browsers
supporting cutting edge techniques, there's tons of frameworks and
other resources that help to take the guesswork out of CSS
development.

Some resources I use these days:

* GitHub
* Stack Overflow

Stack isn't really a place for one to 'converse' about a topic. It's a
reputation-powered Q/A site, not a forum or a discussion list. Apples
and oranges.

With that said, I propose that we all move over to the Web Design list:



>From the WebDesign-L policy page:

> The topic of the list is the technical, cultural, political, economic and 
> artistic aspects of web [design and] development and design as a profession 
> or hobby.

I'm pretty sure the list mom is a member of css-discuss. I'm also
pretty sure Eric is a member of wd-l.

Seeing that wd-l already exists, and it covers CSS plus everything
else, why not have the owners join forces and consolidate?

Side note: The WebDesign-L list has also seen a drop in usage over the
last few years. Just another reason to combine the two lists from my
point of view.

Who's with me?!?! :)
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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Tom Livingston]

>
> With that said, I propose that we all move over to the Web Design list:
>
> 
>
> >From the WebDesign-L policy page:
>
>> The topic of the list is the technical, cultural, political, economic and 
>> artistic aspects of web [design and] development and design as a profession 
>> or hobby.
>
> I'm pretty sure the list mom is a member of css-discuss. I'm also
> pretty sure Eric is a member of wd-l.
>
> Seeing that wd-l already exists, and it covers CSS plus everything
> else, why not have the owners join forces and consolidate?
>
> Side note: The WebDesign-L list has also seen a drop in usage over the
> last few years. Just another reason to combine the two lists from my
> point of view.
>
> Who's with me?!?! :)
> __


I've used WD-L only a few times (not counting while css-d was down). I
don't think the responses are on par with css-d. I *get* answers, but,
like stackoverflow, "just use Bootstrap" isn't a good answer to me.


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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Felix Miata]

Micky Hulse composed on 2015-12-30 10:38 (UTC-0800):

> I've been a member of both lists for a long time. When the wd-l list
> was active, I don't remember seeing "just use bootstrap" as a reply.
> While the participation has been down for the last couple of years
> (just like CSS-d), the wd-l list has been a pretty awesome place to
> discuss things (in past years that is). I think there's a lot of
> people on css-d that are also members of wd-l.

+1

> Also, if we consolidated (not sure of logistics involved) then all the
> people here would be there (or, a hybrid list in-between), and you
> would get the best of both worlds.
> :)

I don't share your best of both opinion. I like the tight focus here. There's
good when a hybrid solution is OK. Here's better when interested in a purely
CSS approach.
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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Micky Hulse]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Tom Livingston  wrote:
> I've used WD-L only a few times (not counting while css-d was down). I
> don't think the responses are on par with css-d. I *get* answers, but,
> like stackoverflow, "just use Bootstrap" isn't a good answer to me.

I've been a member of both lists for a long time. When the wd-l list
was active, I don't remember seeing "just use bootstrap" as a reply.
While the participation has been down for the last couple of years
(just like CSS-d), the wd-l list has been a pretty awesome place to
discuss things (in past years that is). I think there's a lot of
people on css-d that are also members of wd-l.

Also, if we consolidated (not sure of logistics involved) then all the
people here would be there (or, a hybrid list in-between), and you
would get the best of both worlds.
:)
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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Micky Hulse]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Felix Miata  wrote:
> I don't share your best of both opinion. I like the tight focus here. There's
> good when a hybrid solution is OK. Here's better when interested in a purely
> CSS approach.

I can't argue with that. :)

I suppose I'm just trying to think of a way to revitalize the listserv
community for both CSS-d and wd-l, as they are both in same boat in
terms of activity.

I agree about this list having a tight focus, but that does not do
much good when no one is really using it.

Then again, to play devil's advocate to my own proposal, combining two
inactive lists would probably just lead to more inactivity?

Now my mind goes back to why. Why is there a lack of activity? This
thought brings me back to the death of older browsers and the advent
of browser support for new/easier ways of doing things related to CSS
and HTML.

To bring us back to the original question, has the community outgrown
the need for this, and the WebDesign, lists?

To quote Eric:

> Almost all the discussion in the months leading up to the hiatus was 
> conducted between a small number of subscribers.

On the other hand, to quote Kathy:

> LOl yes, 4. Do nothing ...

Problem solved?
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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[Davies, Elizabeth]

Like many other here, I've belonged to this list for a very long time. Of all 
the web resources, this is the one I trust and know that there are voices 
proven over the years to provide solid advice. When I first started I was an 
active voice, but eventually due to life and work requirements dropped to a 
lurker roll. But through it all I've read and used this list for the gems that 
appear. I tend to only read/update about every two weeks but it's a ritual. One 
I would miss and that I value. The other resources don't provide the focus and 
discipline of css-discuss.  

Elizabeth Davies


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Subject: Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

Eric, List;

I think that to discontinue the list would be a tragic loss. I respect and 
value the list’s purity/adherence to mission (CSS-only) and the speed/response 
time that others have cited. 

It might be nice to expand the scope of what this list covers, but it’s a 
slippery slope…if you include HTML, why not include javascript, too?  All three 
(and more) technologies work with each other, so where would the limits be?

On the other hand, CSS and HTML are like salt and pepper, bert and ernie, bread 
and butter. They seem to be the keys to each other’s locks, or perhaps together 
they form a whole technology, and within that perspective, I can see a list 
embracing both technologies as a focus.

Either way, please continue the list. Thank you for what you have done so 
far..I know that these things don’t put themselves together!

John
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Re: [css-d] [ADMIN] Hello, my friends, hello

[John D]

> On the other hand, CSS and HTML are like salt and pepper, bert and ernie, 
> bread and butter. They seem to be the keys to each other’s locks, or perhaps 
> together they form a whole technology, and within that perspective, I can see 
> a list embracing both technologies as a focus.
> 

Despite what people might think, Bootstrap is pure CSS and the code works out 
of the box for today's hunger for responsive websites.

JS is optional extra as is glyphicons fonts and we don't need to discuss here 
if it is considered outside the scope of this forum. 


  
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