Re: [css-d] SPAN obsolete?
Wes Gamble wrote:
I saw a comment on the list recently that the SPAN tag was obsolete.
Can anyone explain how that is?
It isn't. Using a span is a great way to hang a class or contextual
style on an inline element inside a paragraph or list item, for example.
p class=foosome text here is blue. but spanthis text/span is
red./p
p.foo {
color:blue;
}
.foo span {
color:red;
}
simplified, but you get the idea, right? You could as easily create a
span class rather than use the contextual approach, but that would mean
actually applying the class to more elements, whereas you could simply
have as many spans occur within a specific container and the rule
automatically applies without affecting non foo spans.
Donna
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Re: [css-d] Coping with Overflow
ibn Ezra wrote: Though I'm not quite sure *why* it works. What is the significance of setting overflow to first 'hidden' and then later to 'visible' with the addition of * (everything) and html (not sure what that does) selectors? it limits the property application to internet explorer browsers so that two different values apply, depending upon the browser one is using. (star filter) http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ you could also use an IE conditional comment to supply a different value for that rule (inside style tags) or link to a different style sheet with different values for a rule. some useful links about ie cc: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/conditional.html HTH Donna Casey __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE adding spaces between li nav tags
Tanya Fader wrote: I've created a roll-over CSS navigation (using a little .js). This is an example for navigation code I found somewhere else. I've added background images to each of the li nav elements so that they work more like rollovers (just a note that I haven't finished so the roll-over show nothing at this point when hovering on the nav): ... if you look at the same page in Mozilla, it displays properly. The first thing I'd try is to remove all the code formatting between ullitext/li and such... like images, when you stack img / tags (or li) in your code markup, you introduce a space after the element. Normally, you don't see it, but it happens. I suspect that's what's causing the gap. You have this in your markup: ul id=nav lia title=Corporations LLCs href=corporations-about.asp tabindex=2 class=corpspanCorporations LLCs/span/a ul Try this, instead: ul id=navlia title=Corporations LLCs href=corporations-about.asp tabindex=2 class=corpspanCorporations LLCs/span/aul (etc) It might not be as easy for you to read (I actually prefer non-indented code), but it can eliminate the gap, maybe. HTH Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Is it impossible to set margin to h1, h2... el ?
Your margin under the h1 is the correct size. You've set it to 1em, and a 1em margin on a significantly bigger h1 is going to be bigger than on the smaller p. If you want a smaller margin there, set it to a smaller value, like .5em. If your h1 element is set to 1.4em and that (through math) equates to 14px... and your p element is set to 1em and that equates to 10px, then 1em margin (top, bottom or whatever) will equal 14px for the heading and 10px for the paragraph. Remember, it's the font-size of each element that determines what 1em equals... use px instead if you must have the same space exactly beneath both elements... otherwise, the math could get ugly. On the other hand, using em allows the spacing to be proportional to the font-size of the element, so I wouldn't worry about it, but do what Zoe said, and make a proportional adjustments for your heading and paragraph margins. And don't forget that vertically adjacent margin collapse can intervene to make things appear unexpectedly different from what you planned (vertically adjacent margins collapse to the larger of the two values, even with nested elements, if no border or content appears between them) Donna Casey __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] dithered.com domain expired?
Does anyone know where the CSS filters page at dithered.com went to? I get a this domain expired notice going to my bookmark for it. thanks Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Universal reset of margins and padding: Which techniquedo you prefer?
Shawn Lawler wrote: Using the * selector removes that functionality, and when you then click a button, it'll not look as if you're pushing it in. which isn't as easily fixed as one might think, as some browsers manage this differently than others. Better to not break this functionality for the sake of a few extra keystrokes, imo. Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Disabling wrapping elements within a div
Mike Botsko wrote:
http://www.botsko.net/test.html
However, I don't want the link text itself
to wrap, so that a link is broken between two lines. I just want the
entire link to be pushed to the next line if the first line is too
long, I don't want it to wrap the link itself otherwise the gray box
starts on one line and ends on the next
for your a tags, add the following properties:
display: block;
width: auto;
float: left;
white-space: nowrap;
and then, just before the closing div of the container that surrounds
all the links, add a clearing element:
.clearme {
clear: both;
height: 0px;
}
See this page. I set the #simulatedHeader to an 80% width so you can
change the browser width and see that all the links behave as expected.
http://n2dreamweaver.com/n2dreamweaver/tips/nowrap.htm
HTH
Donna
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Re: [css-d] layout - not centered, not left aligned
Trey wrote:
say you have a page/design that's 900px wide, but you want anyone
with a view portal of say 800px to see the _rightmost_ 800px. so the
design is neither centered nor left aligned.
What's wrong with placing everything in a wrapper div that is absolutely
positioned right?
#wrapper {
position:absolute;
width:900px;
right:0;
top:0;
z-index:1;
border:1px solid #000;
min-height:400px;
}
when that loads, the right edge displays
Or maybe I'm missing what you are asking?
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Re: [css-d] class on body
Design Groups wrote: Why would someone use a class instead of an id on body? Christy - The first thing I thought of off the top of my head were navigational links. I'm sure there's other reasons out there, but I recently did a site where I had to apply a body class because the client wanted tabbed navigation. I used a system where, based on the class of the body in question, it would display the submenus for the correct tab. That same method can be used with IDs on the body tag as well. In fact, the argument for using IDs is that they would have a greater specificity. Class might be used over ID (on the body tag) where an ID is already specified for that tag (to trigger other properties that maybe are shared by more than one page layout). Since you can only have on ID on the element, a class might be used to trigger the menu properties. HTH Donna Casey __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Left floated div causes 2 or 3 pix shift of text in IE
Admin at AK wrote: Can aomeone point me at the page, or a page, where the way round this is dealt with. http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/threepxtest.html HTH __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Is there a CSS hack png transparency?
Abyss Information wrote: [...] PNG transparency and its problems with ie [...] my question is when you want to use it with a CSS via a style sheet [...] it falls over and doesn't work; is there a CSS hack for this? AFAIK, png transparency hacks (rather, scripting) only works on foreground images, not the background-image property. Otherwise, for foreground image transparency, read about it here: http://webfx.eae.net/dhtml/pngbehavior/pngbehavior.html HTH Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Really small fonts on IE
Scott Haneda wrote:
Are there any known issues I can be made aware of that would make fonts on
IE Windows unreadably small? I have a site that gets a good deal of
traffic, 2 users have reported this, and I can not replicate it.
Setting the font size to anything other than default in IE does in fact make
the fonts too small to read. However, this does not happen in Safari or FF.
I am using em units, and just set them to stuff like .85 for my main copy,
etc.
I do not have a specific 1.0 em set anywhere, so the body {} and *html {}
have no explicit font size set, could that be the issue? Maybe I need a
*html { font-size: 1.0 em; } ?
Try setting the body rule to use font-size:100.1%
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Re: [css-d] Background image
Stephen Kortz wrote:
If you had a rule:
div imagecaption {
background: #036 url(gradient.gif) repeat-X 0 100%;
}
And the background image is going to be a gradient that is 1px in height,
how does the gradient know how tall to be?
If your gradient is oriented vertically (taller than wide), then
repeat-x; if oriented horizontally (wider than tall), repeat-y
otherwise, you have to fade (in one direction or the other) to a solid
color.
Make sense?
Donna
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Re: [css-d] Background Gradient
Stephen Kortz wrote: When you are using a gradient as a background element repeating along the X axis. Is the gradient only as tall as you make it? yes, but you can artfully fade that gradient into a solid background color on the body's rule. If you make the image (jpg) only 1px wide, you can have a very small download and a very expanded (tall) gradient. I use this method all the time (yay for css!)... even using a textured background with a gradient fade top... Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] class vs. id
Christian Heilmann wrote: However, as sexy as highlighting with CSS only is, it does not make sense from a usability/accessibility point of view, as the current page _should not be a link_. Personally I highlight the current page with a strong - as this also makes sense without CSS and use the body id coupled with the nav id and the strong to apply the style. (http://www.csstoolshed.com/cocking/ page 8) but if you are using server includes, you cannot do this-adding a strong tag to a specific link in the include. That's why many developers take the other approach. Additionally, the bottom (footer) links can be a top level category, where additional pages (3rd or deeper levels) fall under that category or section. I'm just adding to the conversation as to WHY someone might take the other approach. With includes, you cannot make them different on each page, except via some overriding (specificity) unique combination of selectors, often started with the body tag and applying a class or id to it. Just to throw in another thought on this - there are many times that you might have page functions that display or don't display, yet are part of an include. AND, you might be also setting the selected state of main and footer links (even utility type links)... in many cases, I find I have to go with classes *because* I can use more than one class, where I cannot use more than one ID on the body tag. HTH donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Text decoration help
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote: Donna Sorry. My screen reader is not seeing the underline, well, it's there (lots of it) - for example Position in the Adaptive Technology field is underlined in both Firefox 1.0.7 and IE6 windows What's your screen reader and are you sure you haven't somehow reset its defaults to not show underlines? Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Text decoration help
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote: Donna I do not know what is wrong with my JAWS. I am tryingt to figure out why underlineing is not being spoken. I am not all that familiar with JAWS, but would it speak underlined if the text isn't a link? Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Text decoration help
Using em as a class or id name is probably a bad idea.
the person isn't using as a class name, but rather, redefining the em
appearance so that when they use emmy text here/em, it uses the
properties given.
em {
font-weight: 900;
text-decoration: underline;
}
but that says nothing about why their text is appearing bold italic
instead of bold underline...
my guess is that A) you've somewhere set up text-decoration:none (is
your text a link?) and B) em appears italic by default - to void that,
you must set some other value for the font-style, as in
font-style: normal;
HTH, but for more specifics, you'd need to provide a link to the page.
Donna
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Re: [css-d] Question from a beginner
Stephen Kortz wrote: Hi all, Is there a preferred way to get a project started. What I mean to say is, do you type of all the HTML first, mark it up and then write the CSS or do you do it piece meal? I think most folks *start* by doing it piece meal, as you say --a trial and error (mostly error ;) approach and with experience, tend to move to markup first, css after ... at least for layout. Since I usually wear all the hats (interface design, graphics and front-end development) I typically write up my basic container markup (html) first, adding IDs or classes as needed and putting a bit of reference content in place for visual testing (main content here, banner here, list item here sort of thing). Of course, I already have a plan in mind when developing the interface (having worked out requirements and gotten approval on designs *that I know I can implement*, and with experience, I know what approach I will take ahead of time, so putting in the markup is mostly a matter of A) putting in what will be required for whatever layout I have in mind and B) trying to make that layout as readable as possible when the CSS *isn't* applied (it's a delicate dance most of the time). Then I typically set up my CSS for layout and display of boxes, background images, borders and the like, including generous commenting of function for each region/container. After I have the basic container elements working and *tested thoroughly in all target browsers and platforms* - I add additional (real) content and expand my css to tweak it - adjusting the details of text sizing, line-spacing and such. HTH, Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout
Duckworth, Nigel wrote: Yep, exactly as Donna described. But...I can also make everything disappear by clicking on the little square box in the top right with the [x] in it. ;) Seriously though, who does this (besides us)? And is this problem unique to this method? I suppose someone wanting to nick your copy would do this - nice anti-theft device Alex! well, except for the client that wants to be able to copy and paste content from their site into whatever they want to use it in... it's quite common for folks to copy/paste something, from an address to phone number to entire paragraphs...and use it in other media, don't you think? and even if they accidentally did it, you cannot get the content back by refreshing. I'd say it was buggy behavior at best. I doubt seriously if my clients would think of it as an anti-theft device. Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New article on PIE - In Search of the One True Layout
windows xp pro sp2, not osx Tom Livingston wrote: Wow. How'd you do that!?!?!? OS X FF 1.0.7 Don't see it in Safari or Opera 9pr1 Mac - under Tiger __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] download font
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may sound like a stupid q but why? I mean, fonts take up virtually no space and AFAIK cant be used in a malicious way? Can they? Is this some old ruling from the old school or is there a valid reason fonts declared in CSS cant be retrieved upon request? fonts are assets that are typically purchased, so you cannot give someone a font that they didn't pay for. However, you can include whatever font name you'd like (assuming you do it properly) in the list of fonts suggested for the style. If the user doesn't have it, the browser goes to the next font specified in your font-family list...and so on. For that reason, it is wise to specify serif or sans-serif at the end of your list as all machines typically have both types of fonts used by the system. Some fonts won't even show up in a PDF...for example, if you build something in Illustrator that uses a font like Barbara Hand, you have to convert it to paths to make a pdf. It isn't about maliciousness at all; it's about infringement on copyrights and fair use under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act And sorry, the user has to have a font installed to use it. For barcodes, I'd use images. Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Vertically aligning image and text
JJ wrote:
What is best way to display the image (26px
tall) and then the text (about 12px tall) on the same line, with the
text vertically aligned at the middle of each image?
.listbox li {
clear: both;
padding-top: .5em;
list-style-type: none;
line-height: 56px;
}
.listbox li img {
float: left;
width: 56px;
margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0.5em;
height: 56px;
}
because middle alignment varies so greatly between browsers, I approach
it this way, if the images are always the same width and height (as in a
list of thumbnail images with captions). I am sure there are many ways
to do this. I typically put the list in a div that can be positioned as
needed, also.
Here's my markup:
div
ul class=listbox
li
img src=featured/f0001.jpg alt= width=55 height=55 /
a few words
/li
li
img src=featured/f0001.jpg alt= width=55 height=55 /
a few words
/li
li
img src=featured/f0001.jpg alt= width=55 height=55 /
a few words
/li
/ul
/div
HTH
Donna
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Re: [css-d] Flash, Video, CSS -- Can they live together?
Zoe M. Gillenwater wrote: Isn't the video/Flash content, not display gunk? Thus, it *should* be added into the XHTML markup of your page, using the element that was made for it: object. Then, just use CSS to style or position the object as you like. but isn't there an issue with swfs, movies and forms rising to the top? I've struggled with this issue in designing, choosing to avoid the problem from the start by never allowing popup menus to overlap flash content or forms. I know you can hide stuff, but I find it easier just to design for the problem. Or not use flash. ?? donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] The definitive truth about Internet Explorer default text size settings
can someone point me to a page that is 1) true, 2) reliable, and recognizably authorative, and 3) that says what the default settings are for Internet Explorer browsers - as in ViewText SizeLargest, Larger, Medium, Smaller, Small? I'm in a heated debate with a company for whom I do a lot of work, who insists that IE's ViewText Size setting defaults to Smaller. I believe it defaults to Medium. However, I've found the following pages: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/library/ietext.shtml http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.setup/browse_thread/thread/739ea1b0f06ee708/5deca6cb16e3a34b%235deca6cb16e3a34b?sa=Xoi=groupsrstart=1num=3 that indicate that if you have Eudora email, a glitch causes the default of the IE browser to set to Smaller. Anyone have info about this? To keep it on-topic for CSS, it relates to using 100% and ems for web development (which I do, always, using 100.01% on the body, setting my wrapper to .625em [roughly 10px at defaults] and then sizing child selectors with em values). Apparently, this is too small for this person, yet for all other clients of mine, it makes IE and compliant browser text the same size and makes it easier for me to gauge size in pixel amounts, assuming defaults. But this client is not all that up-to-date with best practices (doesn't understand the differences between html/xhtml, much less how css and font-sizing works). He thinks that because he's reinstalled IE on his company's computers (I think they all use Eudora) and they default to Smaller, that the default setting IS Smaller. Help me out, please? Or if I'm wrong, I am happy to know it, but I don't think I am. A reputable page somewhere with the info would truly help. TIA, Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] The definitive truth about Internet Explorer default text size settings
Felix Miata wrote: Medium on IE is always 12pt BTW. **yes, roughly 16px if you calculate the difference between windows and macintosh (default 16px) Exactly why is it you need to gauge size in pixel amounts? Then sizing can be calculated easier. 1.2em in a container that inherits the .625em is going to be 12px. Sure, that varies, but *the default* (medium, normal) -- the most likely used -- setting is what I design for first. Those who adjust get larger or smaller, as desired. I know from reading all your past posts that you hate small type... I don't size everything to 10px, just change the base font-size to make it easier to set whole number values for child selectors. I mean, what *is* .75em of 100% (I use 100.01% to avoid IE micro-text) at Medium? If you do the math, it's 75% of 12pt/16px or 12px, so 1.2em in that container is 14.4px whereas ..625em (62.5%) of (12pt)16px is 10px. If a containing block uses that font-size, from there, it's dead easy to reset that #foo p to what it would be normally at medium by setting it to 1.6em. If I set something to 1.2em, I know it's 12px. The math is just easier and it works consistently and compatibly. Sure, if you set to larger or smaller, the sizes change - as it would anyway. I spent a very long time constructing these. http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/absolute-sizes-IE5.html http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/absolute-sizes-IE6.html Compare Gecko on http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/absolute-sizes-M.html and http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/absolute-sizes-MvE.html ***yes, very useful and I have shown these to this and other clients, thanks. That said, my method works well and makes it dead easy to say to the client that the heading in one region of the page is a specific whole number value at the default Medium setting...no saying that it's 14.4 px, but rather a full value, especially since not all browsers render the 14.4px the same way. By resetting to 10px, I get VERY consistent results. thanks for your help! donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] The definitive truth about Internet Explorer default text size settings
Rick Faircloth wrote: I looked into that by simply installing IE fresh to see what it set up by default for text size, because I new most users would never change it and wanted to match my default font size to look its best with that setting. It defaulted to Medium... yes, the guy has since confirmed that he uses Eudora and that the site owner just recently complained that the site text seemed much smaller since installing Eudora, too. So it was that. Something to think about, folks. And the answer is to tell the user to open his/her registry after installing Eudora and reset [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\International\Scripts\3] IEFontSize=hex:01,00,00,00 to use 02,00,00,00 which resets IE back to medium. donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] The definitive truth about Internet Explorer default text size settings
Dejan Kozina wrote: I've used Eudora Light (3.0.6) for ca. 6 years both at home and work without any such effect on IE 4/5/5.5/6/6SP1... Eudora4x bug __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Pre-Launch Site check
Rob Cochrane wrote: Tanya Renne wrote: Unveiling tonight - launching tomorrow ... http://www.orchidsuites.net/asq509/ Hello Tanya, Opera v8 the whole top navigation degrades to lists. When resizing smaller the faux column behind side navigation moves left off the page IE6 and FF Top nav is broken by wrapping around and hiding on the white. Space does not grow to accommodate In FF to get top nav to work as intended side bar nav font is so small it is not readable. Colour contrast in side bar navigation makes it difficult to read at small sizes It's going to be a long sleepless night. Rob __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] to container/wrapper or not to container/wrapper
4css wrote: This just came up today on a forum I visit, question was in regards to using a container/wrapper when doing your designs, if so, what would the reasons be, if not why not, is this just for certain layouts, fixed and fluid, just fixed, just floats etc.. well, I'd say it's kind of like bringing home the groceries - if you've got a car, then why use bags? --because it is easier to take them manage the groceries - taking them inside, organizing different types of groceries, keeping them cold... kidding aside, it 1) eliminates redundant attributes, particularly with positioning, because all inner containers can be influenced by the wrapper's own positioning; 2) allows grouping of inner elements; and 3) adds specificity. 1) In some cases, it's an absolute necessity - for example, if trying to position inner divs relatively or absolutely to something other than the body of the page. 2) Or if you want to center a fixed width layout - the outer wrapper div makes it possible to apply the auto value to the left and right margin and all the inner elements stay properly centered. 3) Plus, it gives you yet another ID (high specificity) you can tap into should the occasion warrant it. You could generate a huge list of this layout and that layout needs or doesn't need a wrapper div, but the general advantages are mostly the ones above...however they apply to a specific layout. There's probably a better way to say it, but that's how I look at it. Donna __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] UL Navigation: background image problems in FireFox :(
Tom Dell'Aringa wrote: This line shows up fine in IE but NOT in FireFox (1.06). I've done everything I can think of to solve it to no avail. You can see a test page here: http://www.pixelmech.com/rev/menu.html Seems to look the same for me in both FF1.06 and IE6 Windows XP Pro SP2 HTH, Donna Casey __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] UL Navigation: background image problems in FireFox :(
No, I see what you are saying now...the line to the RIGHT of the last tab doesn't display the same. That line displays fine to the LEFT of the Admin tab but not to the right. It might be useful to see how it works when the other tabs take you to pages using the same interface - they seem to go elsewhere right now. Can you comp up one of those and see what happens to that line when the tab is not the last one in the lists? Seems like that would tell you something. Donna You can see a test page here: http://www.pixelmech.com/rev/menu.html __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
