Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
Tim Offenstein wrote: Recommend using strong as opposed to b in the interest of semantic markup. There are plans to deprecate the i and b tags because they're not semantic, they're presentational. FWIW: b and i are not deprecated in existing markup languages, and there are no such plans on the table for the next... http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/#the-b ...a b is (as of now) defined as a pre-styled span, and is as such semantically neutral. b can not be automatically interchanged with strong, unless strong carries the correct weight for the content in the first place. Similar with i and em - they have only default styles (in most browsers) in common. We can style b, i, em and strong as we choose, and no software in general use today will pay much, if any, attention to their semantic value or lack of same. That may of course change in the future - as for anything else, so it certainly doesn't hurt to apply the semantically most correct element for each case - which may happen to justify the use of b and i in lack of better options. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
Luc wrote: Avoiding spam isn't possible indeed. But as i said to try limit a bit of spam attack. Maybe using an image with the e-maildress instead of a clicking link Anyway, i'm sorry if i waisted your time David. You did not waste my time. And I appreciate your comment. I just do not have time to respond properly to why I do not think setting text in an image, including doing so to avoid spam, is a good idea. -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
Good evening David, It was foretold that on 09/03/2008 @ 12:55:21 GMT-0400 (which was 13:55:21 where I live) David Laakso would write: You did not waste my time. And I appreciate your comment. I just do not have time to respond properly to why I do not think setting text in an image, including doing so to avoid spam, is a good idea. Oh, no prob David -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.29 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Do you know why God withheld the sense of humour from women? That we may love you instead of laughing at you. - Mrs. Patrick Campbell (1865-1940) - British actress __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
David Laakso wrote: Luc wrote: David , just a quick remark: wouldn't it be better to use another alternative for the e-mail? Just to try to limit a bit of spam attack... off-list reply *** I am not sure what a spam attack has to do with the nature and purpose of the CSS-D list. My understanding is this list deals with the practical application of CSS. Well, let's try to bring it back in topic. What I've done is to add some del elements with no-spam legends, hiding them later on with CSS (and using JS to make it an actual link). This may not be the best approach, but it's, like everything else, just another try to avoid/minimize spam. Rafael. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
Rafael wrote: Well, let's try to bring it back in topic. What I've done is to add some del elements with no-spam legends, hiding them later on with CSS (and using JS to make it an actual link). This may not be the best approach, but it's, like everything else, just another try to avoid/minimize spam. Rafael. Interesting. Got a live example. ~dL PS I neither attempt to avoid or minimize span. It is a given that approximately 85 percent of my mail is spam: my e-mail client (TB), with minimal training, eats it -- no coding or scripting required. -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
David Laakso wrote: Rafael wrote: Well, let's try to bring it back in topic. What I've done is to add some del elements with no-spam legends, hiding them later on with CSS (and using JS to make it an actual link). This may not be the best approach, but it's, like everything else, just another try to avoid/minimize spam. Rafael. Interesting. Got a live example. Well, my domain is down at the moment, but you'll find a raw example at http://void.99k.org/email.html There you'll see 4 different versions depending how you view it: with JS and CSS enabled, only JS or CSS enabled, and both disabled. ~dL PS I neither attempt to avoid or minimize span. It is a given that approximately 85 percent of my mail is spam: my e-mail client (TB), with minimal training, eats it -- no coding or scripting required. I guess you're already at the acceptance phase, I'm still fighting back. By the way, I recommend you not to tell that to any potential client you may have ---I, for one, may decide to look somewhere else. Rafael. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions on this 6 page comprehensive layout for an industrial site. The marketing target is the IE browsers. Mac/IE5.2 gets it right. /Known Issue:/ 147.69 second download on a 56K modem (the images will be optimized in the production version). http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/mentor/ Thanks, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 3:58 PM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions on this 6 page comprehensive layout for an industrial site. The marketing target is the IE browsers. Mac/IE5.2 gets it right. /Known Issue:/ 147.69 second download on a 56K modem (the images will be optimized in the production version). Here's a little bit of feedback. * I think it's nice to show so many photos, but more supporting text is needed. * Also, with so many photos on the pages, shouldn't there be some in the rather large banner? * Even if you're making the page 968px wide, the banner might be made to look ok even with an 800px width, or not? * The 3px double bottom-border for the headings doesn't work for me. See you Stephan http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/mentor/ Thanks, ~dL -- Stephan Wehner - http://stephan.sugarmotor.org - http://www.thrackle.org - http://www.buckmaster.ca - http://www.trafficlife.com - http://stephansmap.org __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] discuss.org] On Behalf Of David Laakso Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 3:58 PM To: css discuss Subject: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions on this 6 page comprehensive layout for an industrial site. The marketing target is the IE browsers. Mac/IE5.2 gets it right. /Known Issue:/ 147.69 second download on a 56K modem (the images will be optimized in the production version). http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/mentor/ Hi David, It looks nice and seems pretty robust. I think the 6th row of the table is missing a last cell. Also, I think you could do a better use of the summary attribute, maybe by using something like: This table charts our Distributors and Dealers along with their address, city, state, contact and phone numbers. One thing I noticed (and I was surprised by this since you have a link to Lynx in the footer) is that the site is difficult to navigate via the keyboard. I'm not a fan of menus at the end of the source code and I believe when it is done, authors SHOULD provide skip links. Also, because these links have no padding nor special styling (:focus/:active), it is hard to see when they are reached. HTH, -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
Hello David, It was foretold that on 08/03/2008 @ 18:58:15 GMT-0500 (which was 20:58:15 where I live) David Laakso would write: snipped a bit I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions on this 6 page comprehensive layout for an industrial site. The marketing target is the IE browsers. David , just a quick remark: wouldn't it be better to use another alternative for the e-mail? Just to try to limit a bit of spam attack... -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.29 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Flattery makes friends and truth makes enemiesYiddish proverb __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
Thierry Koblentz wrote: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/mentor/ I think the 6th row of the table is missing a last cell. Also, I think you could do a better use of the summary attribute, maybe by using something like: This table charts our Distributors and Dealers along with their address, city, state, contact and phone numbers. Both above, are good solid calls, and corrected to the host/server. One thing I noticed (and I was surprised by this since you have a link to Lynx in the footer) is that the site is difficult to navigate via the keyboard. HTH, I agree, keyboard navigation is important. We'll see if the owner agrees. If not, keyboard navigation, will be on me. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
Luc wrote: Hello David, It was foretold that on 08/03/2008 @ 18:58:15 GMT-0500 (which was 20:58:15 where I live) David Laakso would write: snipped a bit I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions on this 6 page comprehensive layout for an industrial site. The marketing target is the IE browsers. David , just a quick remark: wouldn't it be better to use another alternative for the e-mail? Just to try to limit a bit of spam attack... off-list reply *** I am not sure what a spam attack has to do with the nature and purpose of the CSS-D list. My understanding is this list deals with the practical application of CSS. As an off-topic aside, your comment regarding spam /is/ forwarded to the site owner. My own opinion is that there is no way to avoid spam. There are means available with open source e-mail clients to filter it. This seems to me to be the best approach until something better comes along. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
At 10:36 PM -0500 3/8/08, David Laakso wrote: Thierry Koblentz wrote: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/mentor/ One thing I noticed (and I was surprised by this since you have a link to Lynx in the footer) is that the site is difficult to navigate via the keyboard. HTH, Hi David, A lot of screen reader users will navigate via header markup. If you put a header tag immediately prior to the UL it will allow them to go right to the navigation. The pages should also have a language declaration. Recommend using strong as opposed to b in the interest of semantic markup. There are plans to deprecate the i and b tags because they're not semantic, they're presentational. Best regards, -Tim -- Tim Offenstein *** Campus Accessibility Liaison *** (217) 244-2700 CITES Departmental Services *** www.uiuc.edu/goto/offenstein __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
Thanks to all who have taken time to review the layout. The owner of the site and I will consider all of the comments and suggestions presented-- even those having nothing to do with the mission or purpose of this list: the practical discussion of CSS and its use. ~dL I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions on this 6 page comprehensive layout for an industrial site. The marketing target is the IE browsers. Mac/IE5.2 gets it right. /Known Issue:/ 147.69 second download on a 56K modem (the images will be optimized in the production version). http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/mentor/ Thanks, ~dL __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
