Re: [css-d] stand-down
David Laakso wrote: Last call :-) : Still no luck. Quirksmode, this time. Simple layout. Unresolved problem in IE/6. Clicking digits will sometimes cause a completely blank screen. Anyone? html http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css David, I can still get a blank page. I did notice that if I go to the previous page (-) and then forward to the page (-) that was blank, it displays normal. This may have something to do with re-flow when the images starts to download. -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
Alan Gresley wrote: html http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css David, I can still get a blank page. I did notice that if I go to the previous page (-) and then forward to the page (-) that was blank, it displays normal. This may have something to do with re-flow when the images starts to download. Thank you, Alan. Same problem here. Simple stuff. Yet, it is as though IE/6 is unable to either find, or paint, a page called. Weird. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
On 7/29/2009 9:58 PM, David Laakso wrote: Alan Gresley wrote: I can still get a blank page. I did notice that if I go to the previous page (-) and then forward to the page (-) that was blank, it displays normal. This may have something to do with re-flow when the images starts to download. Thank you, Alan. Same problem here. Simple stuff. Yet, it is as though IE/6 is unable to either find, or paint, a page called. Weird. FWIW, I had the same problem with an IE6-specific stylesheet. In my case, the page blanked a millisecond *after* it was painted. I discovered it was an undocumented bug in IE8.js related to specifying overflow in the main div style. When I moved the overflow property up to the body, the problem went away. IE8.js includes many common IE hacks, so this same issue could crop up even if you're not using IE8.js, depending on what other hacks you may be using. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
David Butler wrote: On 7/29/2009 9:58 PM, David Laakso wrote: Alan Gresley wrote: I can still get a blank page. I did notice that if I go to the previous page (-) and then forward to the page (-) that was blank, it displays normal. This may have something to do with re-flow when the images starts to download. Thank you, Alan. Same problem here. Simple stuff. Yet, it is as though IE/6 is unable to either find, or paint, a page called. Weird. FWIW, I had the same problem with an IE6-specific stylesheet. In my case, the page blanked a millisecond *after* it was painted. I discovered it was an undocumented bug in IE8.js related to specifying overflow in the main div style. When I moved the overflow property up to the body, the problem went away. IE8.js includes many common IE hacks, so this same issue could crop up even if you're not using IE8.js, depending on what other hacks you may be using. RE: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Thank you for your reply. Interesting. Though, I regret it makes no difference, on this-end, whether the overflow property is used on the body, the parent, the child, or deleted entirely for IE/6-- still drawing a blank-page when clicking some digits-- and, not necessarily, the same digit each time. At one point, I thought, the extremely tall images, of different heights, might be the problem. Yet a version with all ten images at a width of 500px and a height of 630px drew blank pages, too... Best, Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
Last call :-) : Still no luck. Quirksmode, this time. Simple layout. Unresolved problem in IE/6. Clicking digits will sometimes cause a completely blank screen. Anyone? html http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
Don't know if this helps, but I have (only) IE6 on my PC. I cyled though all ten portfolio selections several times and I'm not getting any blank screens. On 7/29/2009 7:09 AM, David Laakso wrote: Last call :-) : Still no luck. Quirksmode, this time. Simple layout. Unresolved problem in IE/6. Clicking digits will sometimes cause a completely blank screen. Anyone? html http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
Been there, done that On 7/29/2009 10:07 AM, David Laakso wrote: Strange though: the problem seems to wax and wane depending on the moon, tide, temperature, and/or prevailing wind direction... I think it is called, how to waste time without really trying. So much for IE/6 and its whims and ways. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
David Butler wrote: Don't know if this helps, but I have (only) IE6 on my PC. I cyled though all ten portfolio selections several times and I'm not getting any blank screens. html http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Yes, thank you it does help. A slight tweak was made shortly after I posted early this morning. This does seem to help on this end, as well -- PC XP IE/6.0 standalone -- (although I've said that about this problem before); nevertheless, your confirmation is appreciated. Strange though: the problem seems to wax and wane depending on the moon, tide, temperature, and/or prevailing wind direction... I think it is called, how to waste time without really trying. So much for IE/6 and its whims and ways. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down :: peekaboo?
David Laakso wrote: Alan Gresley wrote: [..] Hide what styling? If I knew exactly what styling was causing the problem, the solution might be easier to find. In the meantime, I've thrown most every hasLayout fix at it-- except for the right one (s), on the right selector (s). I begin to wonder if it has anything at all to do with styling. As far as a simpler layout is concerned, we're not exactly looking at a Drupal nightmare driven into oblivion with 25 whacked stylesheets :-) . Whatever IE/6es little problem is, with this simple layout, it certainly is being elusive in yielding to correction from this end. Thank you for your reply (and putting up with my frustration with this). Westmoreland David, You have some weird bug on your page. This bug triggers a blank page. I have never seen such a thing before. More common for IE to simply crash. Here is your page / template on my server. http://css-class.com/x/david/stand-down1.htm I have only the first four pages, 1, 2, 3 and 4. This cycles back to the first page. I can not reproduce the bug with my copy. I tried your link test again and the first selection of a link caused a blank page. I know this may sound ironical but I believe that your template has caused a bug in IE6 which rendered neutral by giving IE6 a less potent layout. -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down :: peekaboo?
Alan Gresley wrote: David, You have some weird bug on your page. This bug triggers a blank page. I have never seen such a thing before. More common for IE to simply crash. Here is your page / template on my server. http://css-class.com/x/david/stand-down1.htm I have only the first four pages, 1, 2, 3 and 4. This cycles back to the first page. I can not reproduce the bug with my copy. I tried your link test again and the first selection of a link caused a blank page. I know this may sound ironical but I believe that your template has caused a bug in IE6 which rendered neutral by giving IE6 a less potent layout. Alan, Thank you for your time, patience, and reply. 1/ A significantly different layout has been produced (negative margins) for IE/6 only by amending the IE/6 CSS. ---This new layout made no difference, whatsoever-- still getting blank pages... 2/ The extension throughout was changed from php to html on a flaky premise this might be the problem --- This made no difference, whatsoever-- still getting blank pages... 3/ The width and height of the images was added in the CSS for IE/6. -- This seems to have done the trick -- at least on this end -- IE/6 is no longer drawing blank pages on digit or image click. Whether this will hold as the prevailing wind changes remains to be seen... Site moved to uri: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.html Best, Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down :: peekaboo?
Repeatedly clicking the digit navigation /or/ the images will eventually throw a blank page. Reload will bring back the page and its content. Reproducible always in: Browser: IE/6.0 OS: Mac 10.4 Parallels XP (standalone and ieTester) PC XP (standalone and ieTester) uri http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/ css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css I have read and re-read the post title, just to see if, with David Laakso, there were no RE: before the subject. I have tried to reproduce it, but all seems all right here on the following scenario: ieTester - IE6 - XP Also ok in ieTester - IE6 - Vista I have clicked like a fool. Never seen a blank page. Regards, Márcio The issue explained above is still a problem on this end in XP IE/6.0. Thank you for your reply. I cannot reproduce, hence, cannot help that much on solving the issue since, I don't have the knowledge to repair a problem without testing it. I have found this on peekaboo but, who hasn't? :s http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html The content that disappears are only the images? If so, we can read on several forums here and there, that a 'position:relative;' on img, solved some cases. I would ask for a third person to try to reproduce this error. Just to make sure we are not on a more-or-less Cervantes Quest. :) Anyone else... ? ~:D Marcio __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down :: peekaboo?
At 1:57 PM -0400 7/25/09, David Laakso wrote: Repeatedly clicking the digit navigation /or/ the images will eventually throw a blank page. Reload will bring back the page and its content. Reproducible always in: Browser: IE/6.0 OS: Mac 10.4 Parallels XP (standalone and ieTester) PC XP (standalone and ieTester) uri http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/ css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css Now what I'll do? Why do anything? People who over-click deserve what they get. The only exception is in purchasing where double clicking may result in double buying -- a problem I encountered once and solved it via javascript. Side note: While double clicking I noticed that the style graphic on the left rotates. I personally find that distracting because the reason why I'm clicking stuff is to review your work -- in my mind, only that should change (plus page number). I think 1,3,5,7,9 is better presentation than 1,2,3,4,5. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down :: peekaboo?
tedd wrote: At 1:57 PM -0400 7/25/09, David Laakso wrote: Repeatedly clicking the digit navigation /or/ the images will eventually throw a blank page. Reload will bring back the page and its content. Reproducible always in: Browser: IE/6.0 OS: Mac 10.4 Parallels XP (standalone and ieTester) PC XP (standalone and ieTester) uri http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/ css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css Now what I'll do? Why do anything? People who over-click deserve what they get. The only exception is in purchasing where double clicking may result in double buying -- a problem I encountered once and solved it via javascript. Side note: While double clicking I noticed that the style graphic on the left rotates. I personally find that distracting because the reason why I'm clicking stuff is to review your work -- in my mind, only that should change (plus page number). I think 1,3,5,7,9 is better presentation than 1,2,3,4,5. Cheers, tedd Hello David, I can reproduce the bug in a bundled version on IE6`on Windows XP. Took me ages though and happens at a numerous rate of tries. On one occasion it took 17 clicks and another time it took 3 clicks. The bug causes IE6 to show a completely blank page. This is not a peekaboo bug since the normal pages do not have peekaboo activity. The solution David, I guess you would like my take. Hide this styling from IE6 or go for a simpler layout. Let me just run away now. ;-) Hello Tedd, You wrote, People who over-click deserve what they get. Not with this bug. All I'm doing is selecting each page in order of links. -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down :: peekaboo?
Alan Gresley wrote: At 1:57 PM -0400 7/25/09, David Laakso wrote: Repeatedly clicking the digit navigation /or/ the images will eventually throw a blank page. Reload will bring back the page and its content. Reproducible always in: Browser: IE/6.0 OS: Mac 10.4 Parallels XP (standalone and ieTester) PC XP (standalone and ieTester) uri http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/ css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css Now what I'll do? Hello David, I can reproduce the bug in a bundled version on IE6`on Windows XP. Took me ages though and happens at a numerous rate of tries. On one occasion it took 17 clicks and another time it took 3 clicks. The bug causes IE6 to show a completely blank page. This is not a peekaboo bug since the normal pages do not have peekaboo activity. The solution David, I guess you would like my take. Hide this styling from IE6 or go for a simpler layout. Let me just run away now. ;-) Hide what styling? If I knew exactly what styling was causing the problem, the solution might be easier to find. In the meantime, I've thrown most every hasLayout fix at it-- except for the right one (s), on the right selector (s). I begin to wonder if it has anything at all to do with styling. As far as a simpler layout is concerned, we're not exactly looking at a Drupal nightmare driven into oblivion with 25 whacked stylesheets :-) . Whatever IE/6es little problem is, with this simple layout, it certainly is being elusive in yielding to correction from this end. Thank you for your reply (and putting up with my frustration with this). Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] stand-down :: peekaboo?
Repeatedly clicking the digit navigation /or/ the images will eventually throw a blank page. Reload will bring back the page and its content. Reproducible always in: Browser: IE/6.0 OS: Mac 10.4 Parallels XP (standalone and ieTester) PC XP (standalone and ieTester) uri http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/ css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css Now what I'll do? As ever, Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down :: peekaboo?
Repeatedly clicking the digit navigation /or/ the images will eventually throw a blank page. Reload will bring back the page and its content. Reproducible always in: Browser: IE/6.0 OS: Mac 10.4 Parallels XP (standalone and ieTester) PC XP (standalone and ieTester) uri http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/ css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css I have read and re-read the post title, just to see if, with David Laakso, there were no RE: before the subject. I have tried to reproduce it, but all seems all right here on the following scenario: ieTester - IE6 - XP Also ok in ieTester - IE6 - Vista I have clicked like a fool. Never seen a blank page. Regards, Márcio __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down :: peekaboo?
MEM wrote: Repeatedly clicking the digit navigation /or/ the images will eventually throw a blank page. Reload will bring back the page and its content. Reproducible always in: Browser: IE/6.0 OS: Mac 10.4 Parallels XP (standalone and ieTester) PC XP (standalone and ieTester) uri http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/ css http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/css/style.css I have read and re-read the post title, just to see if, with David Laakso, there were no RE: before the subject. I have tried to reproduce it, but all seems all right here on the following scenario: ieTester - IE6 - XP Also ok in ieTester - IE6 - Vista I have clicked like a fool. Never seen a blank page. Regards, Márcio The issue explained above is still a problem on this end in XP IE/6.0. Thank you for your reply. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
On 2009/07/22 19:41 (GMT-0400) David Laakso composed: ... re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php ... Then you will need to purchase a monitor for me so that I can see the whole page on the screen in order to make a capture of it :-) . Firefox 3.0.11 fullscreen 1600x2560. No scrollbar either direction. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/laakso090722b.png -- No Jesus - No peace , Know Jesus - Know Peace Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
David McGlone wrote: On Wednesday 22 July 2009 08:29:08 pm Felix Miata wrote: On 2009/07/22 19:41 (GMT-0400) David Laakso composed: Ron Zisman wrote: i want to see the whole damn page. re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Then you will need to purchase a monitor for me so that I can see the whole page on the screen in order to make a capture of it :-) . http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/jennbe01.jpg is a 2560x1600 fullscreen screenshot I took of another poster's page, without using a display anywhere near that large. With the right OS and settings, lack of particular hardware need not be an impediment to getting a screenshot of a very large desktop. OTOH, your page doesn't even take up half my actual current screen width, but does only show about 50% of its height without scrolling. Does the nature of this page demand seeing it all at once? Is there any good reason it should not be allowed to use all available window width, possibly reducing the need for vertical scroll to zero? Awesome, another Linux user here. I assumed just about everyone here were MS users. And I'm another. Now, how did Felix capture a window larger than his desktop I know in Windows XP, Alt-PrtScr will capture the full active window, but I don't know if it gets all of a window larger than the desktop ... -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
David McGlone wrote: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Everyone who has replied made very valuable and extremely helpful comments for which I am most grateful. Reload and take no prisoners. Nice! I like it way better than the first one. I see you implemented ajax. was it complicated to do? Ajax? No, there is no ajax. Best, Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Interesting, only the first digit of your numbers on the portfolio screen are clickable. Rather, they're all clickalle, but Konqueror momentarily shows a dotted selection box only around the first digit when I click ... The CSS has been modified. Are you getting a focus-ring around all digits in Konqueror, now? __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
At 6:03 PM -0400 7/22/09, David Laakso wrote: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Everyone who has replied made very valuable and extremely helpful comments for which I am most grateful. Reload and take no prisoners. Best, Westmoreland David: It looks great to me! It does what it is supposed to do and it does it in style. What else is there? Additionally, I find it's easy to navigate and anyone who has problems with the navigation probably couldn't find their way around a site without flashing arrows anyway. The only thing I don't understand is the Westmoreland sig, but then again, I don't understand a lot of things these days. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
David Laakso wrote: re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Interesting, only the first digit of your numbers on the portfolio screen are clickable. Rather, they're all clickalle, but Konqueror momentarily shows a dotted selection box only around the first digit when I click ... The CSS has been modified. Are you getting a focus-ring around all digits in Konqueror, now? Now the focus ring extends from the first digit of one pair of numbers to just before the first digit of the next set of numbers. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
tedd wrote: At 6:03 PM -0400 7/22/09, David Laakso wrote: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Everyone who has replied made very valuable and extremely helpful comments for which I am most grateful. Reload and take no prisoners. Best, Westmoreland David: It looks great to me! It does what it is supposed to do and it does it in style. What else is there? Additionally, I find it's easy to navigate and anyone who has problems with the navigation probably couldn't find their way around a site without flashing arrows anyway. As I begin dropping in the full height site images, the thought of a flashing up arrow at the bottom of the page may not be such a bad idea. And those who are not going to wait around, from here to eternity, for those hug images to load, will find the back-button arrow easily enough... The only thing I don't understand is the Westmoreland sig, but then again, I don't understand a lot of things these days. William Childs Westmoreland (March 26, 1914 – July 18, 2005) was an American General who commanded American military operations in the Vietnam War at its peak from 1964 to 1968, with the Tet Offensive. -- Wikipedia Cheers, tedd Thanks, Tedd. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
david wrote: David Laakso wrote: re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Interesting, only the first digit of your numbers on the portfolio screen are clickable. Rather, they're all clickalle, but Konqueror momentarily shows a dotted selection box only around the first digit when I click ... The CSS has been modified. Are you getting a focus-ring around all digits in Konqueror, now? Now the focus ring extends from the first digit of one pair of numbers to just before the first digit of the next set of numbers. Then it is the same as what I get here in Mac FF and SeaMonkey. If this is not problematic for you, or anyone else, I will leave it go at that. Thank you for checking it. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] stand-down
Gentlemen. Stand-down. This thread is closed; Best, Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:11:34PM -0400, David McGlone wrote: Awesome, another Linux user here. I assumed just about everyone here were MS users. Why would anybody with a minimum of technical computer skills use any MS software? Cheers, Ángel __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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G.Sørtun wrote: David Laakso wrote: Dawn will arrive soon enough. Tell me about it... In the meantime, your comments and suggestions -- thus far -- are always welcome. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php I would remove all... border : 1px solid #ffcc66; ...and let image and numbers stand on their own. The max-width of #content and its elements don't seem to add up, making the large #port image look compressed even on the widest browser-windows. Better adjust the max-width on #content so browsers don't reduce the image's size at all widths and makes it look distorted on wide windows. The rest looks OK at my end. regards Georg Thank you, Georg. Best, Westmoreland PS We appreciate sound advice. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Ron Zisman wrote: Dawn will arrive soon enough. In the meantime, your comments and suggestions -- thus far -- are always welcome. sometimes the dawn never comes. comments from a print designer so consider the source... --the toad in ny Open, honest, direct, and specific suggestions and comments are always welcome on this end. Best, Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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David Laakso wrote:
Dawn will arrive soon enough.
And I can't wait.
In the meantime, your comments and suggestions -- thus far -- are always
welcome.
Best,
Westmoreland
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php
David,
I fell someone confined and restricted with the line. Let some air
invade that space so the design can breath.
#content img {
max-width : 96%!important;
height: auto;
display : block;
margin-top:16px; /* add */
}
Just a thought.
--
Alan http://css-class.com/
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At 10:43 PM -0400 7/21/09, David Laakso wrote: Dawn will arrive soon enough. In the meantime, your comments and suggestions -- thus far -- are always welcome. Best, Westmoreland http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php David : As always, looks great. Functionality concern. To review some examples, I have to scroll down to get to the pagination. If you place the pagination on the top, then problem solved. Also, you might consider using ajax. That way everything remains while only the example changes. Here's a couple of examples: http://webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ http://webbytedd.com/b/ajax-old/ Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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David Laakso wrote: Dawn will arrive soon enough. And I can't wait. In the meantime, your comments and suggestions -- thus far -- are always welcome. Best, Westmoreland http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php I get a blank page using IE7 but shows up in FF. don __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Don Miller wrote: David Laakso wrote: Dawn will arrive soon enough. And I can't wait. In the meantime, your comments and suggestions -- thus far -- are always welcome. Best, Westmoreland http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php I get a blank page using IE7 but shows up in FF. don IE 6/7 are both no-shows /temporarily/ on purpose: display: none; Time enough to play hack o'rama once compliant browser issues are resolved. Thanks. Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Alan Gresley wrote:
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php
David,
I fell someone confined and restricted with the line. Let some air
invade that space so the design can breath.
#content img {
max-width : 96%!important;
height: auto;
display : block;
margin-top:16px; /* add */
}
Just a thought.
Thought is always welcome. Reload.
Best,
Westmoreland
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tedd wrote: At 10:43 PM -0400 7/21/09, David Laakso wrote: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php David : As always, looks great. Functionality concern. To review some examples, I have to scroll down to get to the pagination. If you place the pagination on the top, then problem solved. That's a thought. The images proper are clickable. Although Ron seems to have missed that, too. Hmm. I guess I need to stop assuming users will get it. Also, you might consider using ajax. That way everything remains while only the example changes. Here's a couple of examples: http://webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ http://webbytedd.com/b/ajax-old/ Neat. But I'd prefer a method that will enable going from page to page even if js is disabled... Cheers, tedd Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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david, i'm glad you took my comments in the spirit intended. design is greatly subjective. so i have no idea of whether or not they have any value. i hate critics and am uncomfortable imposing my aesthetic on others. i've been watching the process/updates and your willingness to examine the feedback. hats off to you!! i would be too chicken shit to be that naked. it's been interesting as i''m just starting the process with my site and will be dealing with the same issues. somehow, presenting your own work is so much harder than seeing someone else. worse than working with your kids. so, if you were twittering, i'd be following... rgds, ron http://www.ricochet.org ** the ox is slow but the earth is patient On Jul 22, 2009, at 1:37 PM, David Laakso wrote: tedd wrote: At 10:43 PM -0400 7/21/09, David Laakso wrote: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php David : As always, looks great. Functionality concern. To review some examples, I have to scroll down to get to the pagination. If you place the pagination on the top, then problem solved. That's a thought. The images proper are clickable. Although Ron seems to have missed that, too. Hmm. I guess I need to stop assuming users will get it. Also, you might consider using ajax. That way everything remains while only the example changes. Here's a couple of examples: http://webbytedd.com/a/ajax-site/ http://webbytedd.com/b/ajax-old/ Neat. But I'd prefer a method that will enable going from page to page even if js is disabled... Cheers, tedd Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Ron Zisman wrote: david, i'm glad you took my comments in the spirit intended. design is greatly subjective. so i have no idea of whether or not they have any value. trimmed rgds, ron http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Everyone who has replied made very valuable and extremely helpful comments for which I am most grateful. Reload and take no prisoners. Best, Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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http://www.ricochet.org the ox is slow but the earth is patient On Jul 22, 2009, at 6:03 PM, David Laakso wrote: Ron Zisman wrote: david, i'm glad you took my comments in the spirit intended. design is greatly subjective. so i have no idea of whether or not they have any value. trimmed Everyone who has replied made very valuable and extremely helpful comments for which I am most grateful. Reload and take no prisoners. Best, Westmoreland you asked for it!!! i want to see the whole damn page. i don't care if i have to scroll. chopping the samples off really doesn't show your concern for balance, organization or beauty--like looking at the top half of a photograph. also, most of your pages have generous margins, yet your samples are cropped so tightly, they lose their eloquence. the navigation on top is definitely less aggravating and easier to use. but... talk is cheap. rgds, ron __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Ron Zisman wrote: you asked for it!!! i want to see the whole damn page. re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Then you will need to purchase a monitor for me so that I can see the whole page on the screen in order to make a capture of it :-) . In the meantime, if you reload the pages, somewhat deeper captures have been uploaded to the server. Best, Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Hi David. On Wednesday 22 July 2009 23:03:57 David Laakso wrote: Reload and take no prisoners. I have a comment or two, mostly regarding your navigation design, which is only tangentially about CSS. I hope it is not inappropriate. On the page there are 3 main navigation elements; the menu on the left, the number group, and the image itself. There are also links in the text below the image. Links in all 4 of these groups look and behave differently, including different hover states. This makes for a confusing navigation scheme as the user has to constantly guess about what might be a link, since the design offers them no guarantee that having found one link they'll be able to identify others. Changing the design to provide a consistent interface on all your links will remove that discomfort for the user. I'm not suggesting that they need be identical but a single consistent attribute across all links, be it colour, typeface or whatever, can go a long way in helping your visitors find their way on your site. The number navigation links seem to me to be either too prominent, or not prominent enough. Their hover state is barely different which makes them the hardest links of all to identify, and there are no clues nearby as to the fact that they can be used to navigate. Perhaps you intend to do this in the text above, in which case ignore me :) I'm sorry to go on but I'm not much good at explaining myself in few words. I have just one more comment. The phrase view the site live I also found confusing. It wasn't clear to me what the site meant in this context. Perhaps a change of wording to something more explicit like explore the full website built from this design. I hope this doesn't come off as harsh, I just strongly believe in the power of a good navigation design to enhance any website. Cheers, Mark __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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On 2009/07/22 19:41 (GMT-0400) David Laakso composed: Ron Zisman wrote: i want to see the whole damn page. re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Then you will need to purchase a monitor for me so that I can see the whole page on the screen in order to make a capture of it :-) . http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/jennbe01.jpg is a 2560x1600 fullscreen screenshot I took of another poster's page, without using a display anywhere near that large. With the right OS and settings, lack of particular hardware need not be an impediment to getting a screenshot of a very large desktop. OTOH, your page doesn't even take up half my actual current screen width, but does only show about 50% of its height without scrolling. Does the nature of this page demand seeing it all at once? Is there any good reason it should not be allowed to use all available window width, possibly reducing the need for vertical scroll to zero? -- No Jesus - No peace , Know Jesus - Know Peace Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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On Wednesday 22 July 2009 01:29:04 pm Don Miller wrote: David Laakso wrote: Dawn will arrive soon enough. And I can't wait. In the meantime, your comments and suggestions -- thus far -- are always welcome. Best, Westmoreland http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php I get a blank page using IE7 but shows up in FF. I'm not surprised at all! -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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On Wednesday 22 July 2009 08:29:08 pm Felix Miata wrote: On 2009/07/22 19:41 (GMT-0400) David Laakso composed: Ron Zisman wrote: i want to see the whole damn page. re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Then you will need to purchase a monitor for me so that I can see the whole page on the screen in order to make a capture of it :-) . http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/jennbe01.jpg is a 2560x1600 fullscreen screenshot I took of another poster's page, without using a display anywhere near that large. With the right OS and settings, lack of particular hardware need not be an impediment to getting a screenshot of a very large desktop. OTOH, your page doesn't even take up half my actual current screen width, but does only show about 50% of its height without scrolling. Does the nature of this page demand seeing it all at once? Is there any good reason it should not be allowed to use all available window width, possibly reducing the need for vertical scroll to zero? Awesome, another Linux user here. I assumed just about everyone here were MS users. -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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On Wednesday 22 July 2009 06:03:57 pm David Laakso wrote: Ron Zisman wrote: david, i'm glad you took my comments in the spirit intended. design is greatly subjective. so i have no idea of whether or not they have any value. trimmed rgds, ron http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Everyone who has replied made very valuable and extremely helpful comments for which I am most grateful. Reload and take no prisoners. Nice! I like it way better than the first one. I see you implemented ajax. was it complicated to do? -- Blessings, David M. http://www.dmcentral.net __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Dawn will arrive soon enough. In the meantime, your comments and suggestions -- thus far -- are always welcome. Best, Westmoreland http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Dawn will arrive soon enough. In the meantime, your comments and suggestions -- thus far -- are always welcome. sometimes the dawn never comes. comments from a print designer so consider the source... being a 'lazy' print designer, i resent having to move my mouse and scroll to flip through the pages. to add further insult, i actually have to scroll down and move, as the page reverts to top on page refresh. and being rather simple myself, the template has a little too much style for me and seems more like a distraction.. i mean yellow? what happend to fuscia? it took me going through a number of pages before realizing the the little thumbnail indicated the next slide in the show, and even then didn't really add to the experience. and since i'm being so negative, the drop shadow helps the right and bottom edge of the sample, but on many the right edge is disconcerting--maybe a light gray rule could define the page? then your numbered boxes... i like squares.. they're so consistent... but #10 looks like an elephant stood on it and squashed it. the 'i' in portfolio is cute and artsy... us print designers love that shit... it's so personal and i wonder if the presentation would be stronger showing the entire page rather than clipping to fit an arbitrary shape or depth. in some ways, you're trying too hard to design a web page and overpowering the design of the work that you're showing. yar's site was exquisitely clean and powerful as was ingo's... why not let us see the whole page and keep the focus on what you're presenting and do you really have to tell me you've got style? i mean i know i'm a print designer... even i recognize style when i see it. print designer's no nothing about code and are terrified to even look at that gobbly gook. we prefer the square brackets to those curly thingies... but hey, design is subjective, right? and all that type is soo big, you must be one of those oldsters, eh? we like mouse type speced in pixels so nobody can mess with it. --the toad in ny Best, Westmoreland http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Jacob Taylor wrote: @http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php Looks nice (chrome 3.0.193.1), the only major complaint I have (and It may be that you intended it that way) is that when you click on the numbered image slider picture selector thing in the middle of the page to advance the image, it doesn't set you back down to seeing the next image. IE click - example.com/index.html#page2 where it takes you down to the page2 header. Other than that, it's nice and I like it. -Jacob T. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php I think I understand. Or, do I? Time will tell... Thank you. Best, Westmoreland __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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David Laakso wrote: Dawn will arrive soon enough. Tell me about it... In the meantime, your comments and suggestions -- thus far -- are always welcome. http://chelseacreekstudio.com/dl/index.php I would remove all... border : 1px solid #ffcc66; ...and let image and numbers stand on their own. The max-width of #content and its elements don't seem to add up, making the large #port image look compressed even on the widest browser-windows. Better adjust the max-width on #content so browsers don't reduce the image's size at all widths and makes it look distorted on wide windows. The rest looks OK at my end. regards Georg __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
