[CTRL] Fwd: Ted Gunderson Confirms Facts Regarding the Coming Revolution
From the Offices of: Rumor Mill News Agency The Uncensored National Rumor E-mail Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] December 4, 1998 On November 28, RMNews released a commentary titled "When the Revolution Begins" Many people have written back and asked where we got our facts. We got our facts from the unnamed sources who have supplied us with information for over three years. I can't give you their names because I don't know who these sources are. I just know that over the years, they have been more right than not. For those of you who need names on your sources, I am enclosing the following from Ted Gunderson, former SAIC (Special Agent In Charge) of the Los Angels FBI office. I received this note today, my friend received it December 2, 1998. Many of the facts listed in the 11-28-98 commentary are listed here. Judge for yourself if you think we need to be worried that the Revolution is about to begin. The closer the nation gets to impeachment, the more I fear a domestic version of "Wag the Dog." Christopher Hitchens, editor at large for Vanity fair, and the first person to write about the October Surprise, stated on FOX News that Clinton committed treason when he bombed the Sudan chemical factory. Hitchens states that it was known that this plant only manufactured pharmaceuticals, not chemical weapons. Innocent civilians were killed in this bombing. Aren't you glad you weren't touring Sudan on that day? War Criminal Bill Clinton? RMNews has heard from other sources that the reason the United States will not sign onto the War Criminal Court, is because they know President Clinton will be tried as a war criminal. * * * * * * * This note was forwarded to me from a friend. She writes: I received this from Ted Gunderson on 12/02/98. June 22, 1998 A reliable, confidential source advised on May 3, 1998 that during the week of April 13, 1998, 137,000 AK-47 automatic weapons were shipped into Los Angeles, California. At or about the same time, eleven semi-truck loads of AK-47 ammunition were also shipped into the Los Angeles area. The source does not know the exact destination, the means by which these items were shipped, the shipper(s) or individual(s) involved or responsible. Some of these arms were also shipped to unknown locations in Arizona. On May 3, 1998, a reliable, confidential second source advised a Los Angeles based trucking company may have been the company used to transport these items. The informant suspects this Company because the Company has been used in the past to ship Chinese communist merchandise within the United States of America. This source has photographed this activity. According to this informant, the FBI has escorted several trucks transporting these goods. After receiving the above information, this author contacted other sources to confirm these facts and the following information was furnished: On May 27, 1998 an Oklahoma state police officer advised he had learned the following in the Fall of '93 or Spring of '94, from one of his contacts on the Los Angeles Police Department: United States BATF and Customs agents had intercepted a shipment of fully automatic weapons and explosives being off-loaded from a ship in Long Beach harbor. The contact believes the ship was of Chinese origin. Contained in that shipment were two or three SeaLift boxes (metal semi-trailer size boxes used for ocean shipping) full of weapons and explosives. Also contained within that shipment were between 6,500 and 7,500 fully automatic AK-47s, several machine guns of communist manufacture (RPD and RPK belt-fed machine guns) and cases of explosives and detonators. A source close to the L.A.P.D. contact said the information on these shipments came from informants inside street gangs who had inter-related working relationships with gangs in Chicago, New York, and Florida. He speculated the shipments were bound for drug-running street gangs but also felt it was possible these shipments were intended for previously located terrorist cells in the United States of America. These terrorist cells, who are of mostly middle-Eastern extraction, are controlled out of the Philippines. This indicates shipments were coordinated with the Pakistani ISI, the Internal Security service, (similar to the CIA of the United States of America). The Pakistani ISI is controlled out of Cebu City, P.I. At or about the same time, a similar shipment came in and was intercepted in Dade County, Florida. Another shipment supposedly came in through Houston, TX, and was not intercepted because no forewarning was issued. On May 7, 1998, another reliable, confidential informant advised of current plans by certain members of the New World Order, including President Bill Clinton, prominent political figures, bureaucrats and members of the United States of America military, who have formulated a plan for the initial steps for the actual
[CTRL] Madonna and Media Targeting - repost
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5811/mc.html http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5811/mc.html">Madonna and Media Targeting - Wild. As always, . . . Om K - Madonna Louise Ciccone's involvement in the federal civil rights lawsuit Ciccone's involvement with the plaintiff dates as far back as 1984. Madonna is in the secret, secret, service known as the "Cross". Many of the people who are in the entertainment industry are "in the Cross". Madonna Ciccone is associated with the defendants in the federal lawsuit. The Miramax movie called: Desparately Seeking Susan(D.S.S.), 1984, staring Rosanna Arquette, and Adain Quinn, is a "sleazy service" targeting movie___shadow targeting the plaintiff. The movie uses background props and double inuendo to target the plaintiff. Outsiders don't understand the movie, the movie is not a screw-ball comedy___it is a movie about slavery, illegal gambling, and the secret system. Baby Jesus? Madonna sucks her thumb and says: "Baby Jesus" during MTV's Tenth Anniverary show Madonna visting Babs(Barbra Streisand) and Dryfus(Richard) on the set of "Nuts"(1986?) There seems to be a correlation here! Notice the background scene in this picture. Every element of the picture has been specifically selected to tell a story__ from the neon sign "Magic Club" to the "yellow" bag slung over Susan's shoulder to the bum leaning against the wall__its all about the secret system and the secret system games. When Susan(Madonna) says: "she doesn't want to buy one", she is talking about buying a human being(a stranger, an outsider,.etc), she is not talking about buying a bathtub! Review the "Cross-Talk reference guide" and find out what the movie is actually about. Although the character's name is never mentioned in the movie, the excerpt from the book "Madonna Superstar", 1988 by Schirmer/Mosel GmbH, Munich, provides the concrete evidence: In the movie, the character who is trying to catch Susan(Madonna) is named "Wayne", the same name as the plaintiff(remember Madonna knows the plaintiff's wealthy family). As indicated in the exhibit below: Wayne the gangster who is following Susan(Madonna). Note the design on the back of Susan's jacket___this is a very important symbol__the all seeing eye__which indicates the attributes or characteristics of those in the system, those on the inside. The full analysis of this movie is forth-coming__along with the game that Madonna(and NYC) played while the plaintiff (the engineering student) was a homeless "hostage" in Manhattan(1995). Question? Why would they use such blatant targeting? I believe that they are very cruel and ruthless people and that this movie was created as a message to the engineering student basically saying "we set you up..." This is how the insiders target people! Remember, the main objective of those inside the system is to destroy people(they don't like)__that is, to remove people from society___they do this by manipulating, framing, torturing, etc... If they can't get you to break the law and have you incarcerated, they torture and harass you in such a way that they can label you as "nuts", and of course__incarcerate you. If they fail at their attempts of illegal incarceration then they use high tech means of causing illnesses that can be attributed to known diseases___hm. The above is part of Madonna's(attorney's) response to the student's 1996 federal civil rights action. The student was living on the street at the time and did not have a mailing address; so the court dismissed the case on a technicality. Spooked by a (Spook?)Superstar__ My Baby Has a Secret! Ciccone Delivery Truck Observed in Downtown Chicago, 11/98 "A" - Mo Co (AMOCO) Building Note the Frame? Madonna(Breathless Mahoney, Dick Tracy 1990) look-alike, Chicago Tribune advertisement supplements(11/16/98). This Is How They Do It! Reviewing "DSS" Desperately Seeking Susan, Miramax - 1985, Madonna's Character, Susan, is known to play games with people; she utilizes the want ads, etc, to send messages___Susan's boyfriend "Blackie" says: "She's been playing games with me for years"! Hmmm? Also, the link to the Breathless Mahoney Picture is: http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/5811/ imgs/mhny.jpg Hmmm? These are recent photos of Carlos, Lourdes, and Louise(Madonna), from a magazine called Semana Carlos Leone and his daughter Lourdes Wonder what little Lourdes is thinking? In a recent tabloid magazine there was an article about the feud between Madonna and Cher. It appears as if the feud might be a result of the activity between Madonna, the secret system, and the student. The student met Cher at the Studio 54 party in 1997? The student was walking on West 53rd street(the back entrance to studio 54__also the street where celebs enter the David Letterman Show) when he met Cher as she was leaving. The student gave her flowers but wasn't able to talk to her about his story. Cher is part Armenian an so is the student. Is Cher pissed
[CTRL] US halted plot to oust Saddam
-Caveat Lector- I remember fowarding the original information concerning the plot to overthrow Saddam by Iraqi Republic Guards, when it was occurring, to either CTRL or Biowar. In any case, this is a follow-up. From: http://reports.guardian.co.uk/articles/1998/12/6/36964.html - US halted plot to oust Saddam In June, Iraqi Republican Guards were poised to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Helga Graham reports on the man behind the plot and his backer - CIA agent 'Mr Fox' Sunday December 6, 1998 The US put on hold a coup planned by elements within the elite Republican Guard which had a real prospect of removing President Saddam Hussein, according to a dissident regarded by the Iraqi leader as one of his most dangerous enemies. Abdel Razak Sultan al-Juburi, a former general in the Guard, said the coup had been in preparation for a year and was 'well advanced'. But on 30 June he had been told by a US agent to postpone it - despite the Administration's public statements of support for the Iraqi opposition. 'He said we will stop now, but in six months' time or maybe one year, we will contact you again in London or Saudi Arabia,' Juburi said, recounting the conversation with his Ankara-based CIA contact, a 'Mr Fox'. Now a refugee attempting to find a foothold on the fringes of Eastern Europe, Juburi will this week renew his application for entry to the UK. In the precarious security situation in Belgrade, where he was forced to seek asylum, his safety must be a matter of some concern. Saddam has twice placed a huge price on his head - in 1995 the reward was an 'open cheque' in US dollars. His revelations about US and Saudi intelligence operations may also put him at risk. He has been told by Fox that he can expect no US support for his application for entry to Britain. 'We can't help you to make contact with the British. We don't like or allow the British to be involved in our operations,' Fox told him. By contrast, the Iraqi National Congress, the opposition group led by Dr Ahmad Chalabi, has - according to the US press - received around $40 million from the US and was last month invited to brief Congress. Juburi said: 'Internally, the psychological and political effects [of the postponement] will be devastating. The Republican Guard would now be ready to follow a well-organised revolt. People are boiling.' Young officers in the Republican Guard previously masterminded Iraq's most serious potential coup, just before the Gulf war in January 1990. After ignoring him for a number of years, the CIA approached Juburi briefly in 1995 and more seriously in April 1997. He had by then already set up an underground organisation in Iraq. Despite its few resources, it has hit the regime hard. Juburi travelled once a month to Dahok in northern Iraq, making contact with officers through intermediaries. Fox declared himself well satisfied with an operation and, according to Juburi, said it was 'the best ever'. But Juburi was frustrated by the meagre funds - less than $100,000 spent in a year - and other restrictions. He was prevented from contacting a group of exiled Iraqi officers in Holland. 'Not for now,' said Fox. A final straw for a shaken Juburi was Fox's languid timetable for ousting Saddam, over three to four years. 'He also said Saddam was strong,' says Juburi, less in anger than disbelief. Encouraged by the promised US support of the Iraqi opposition and the lavish $100 million voted for the task by Congress, he flew to Istanbul to be close to the action, hoping his own 'postponed' coup would take off. Here a second shock awaited him. Despite possession of a valid visa, Turkey rejected him, as did Pakistan and Jordan. Both put him on the next flight back to Istanbul. Fox declined to help with US allies in Jordan and Turkey. After this airport merry-go-round, Juburi's wife and young family were forced to camp in the transit lounge at Istanbul for a fortnight while Juburi was held in semi-detention by the Turkish police. Meanwhile, Juburi was trying to find a 'safe haven' for his family - not an easy task for an Iraqi without financial resources. A tall, well-built, impressively controlled man in his early forties, Juburi was one of Iraq's most decorated soldiers in its war with Iran. >From a sheikh-status family linked to Iraq's former parliament, he has been fully committed from early in his military career to opposing Saddam. He is unideological, a modernising democrat against both Saddam's repression and his corrupt cronyism. In 1991, he disobeyed orders to kill Shia Muslims in Kerbala and disappeared underground, a hefty price on his head within hours. After fleeing Iraq, he returned to rescue his family, bringing them out across a perilous no man's land. He returned to Iraq again in 1994, 'disguised and working at night' - the first and only Iraqi to set up an organised, military-style underground opposition both among civilians and the Republican Guard. With astonishing aplomb, Juburi now turn
Re: [CTRL] Why Waco? Patriots Respond!
-Caveat Lector- THIS MESSAGE POSTED ON APFN MESSAGE BOARD: http://www.insidetheweb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb77532 Subject: Re: Why Waco? Patriots Respond! Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 08:48:40 -0500 From: "Carol A. Valentine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: APFN ONELIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "APFN eGroups.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "\"\\\"APFN\\\" MyFreeOffice\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, American Patriot Friends Network <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, APFN1 VEGASNET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, APFN AUTO RESPONDER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please allow me to respond to points made by Gary Hunt and C.Moore: >Subject: Re: Waco Documentary Is A Hoax >Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:20:17 -0700 >From: Gary Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Organization: Outpost of Freedom >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: APFN AUTO RESPONDER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Regarding Carol Valentine's post, "Waco Documentary Is A Hoax", >Valentine has, desperately, attempted to maintain the failed position >taken by Linda Thompson years ago. What "Waco, The Rules of Engagement" >does is bring forward more evidence which supports what was believed by >many and supported by little credible evidence, but with statements made >in interviews by some of the Davidians. > > It is, indeed, unfortunate that the position Valentine and Thompson >hold requires that some of the Davidians be government agents. Gary apparently has not read the US government's Treasury Report. On pg. 92 it describes "former cult members" (note the plural use of the word) who were in the "Compound" at the time of the raid. http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/doc/w_doc16.gif These agents were apparently deployed throughout the building, studying and later reporting the reaction of the Davidians to the news of the impending ATF raid. There is other evidence, though. For example, go to: http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/page/w_d.html and read "Smart Diagram of the Mt. Carmel Center " and "Dumb Diagram of the Mt. Carmel Center." You will see evidence that a deep cover agent/agents were living amongst the Davidians, informing the govt. on the location of the living quarters and offices of the Davidians before the raid. Deep cover agents also took down the ham radio tower before the ATF raid . . . and set up a virtual test laboratory of surveillance devices within the Mt. Carmel Center (see London Times article of March 21, 1993 at: http://www.mnsinc.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/war/fig/w_fig01.jpg >Subject: Waco Update: 12-3-98 > >Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 23:20:06 -0500 >From: Carol Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: A-Waco List from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >MY VISIT TO THE NATIONAL HOLOCAUST MUSEUM > In early July I visited the National Holocaust >Museum in Washington, D.C., where I live. It was something >I'd been meaning to do for a few years. I was motivated, in >part, by my disgust with Carol Valentine's Holocaust > >Museum and her recent Holocaust denial rants on usenet. > The national Holocaust Museum presented ample >evidence of Nazi crimes against political and religious >activists and resisters, gypsies, the disabled, homosexuals, >as well as those against Jews. The museum's decor of >brick, grey metal and unpainted wood simulates concentration >camp architecture. The three floors of the permanent exhibit >detail in video, audio and artifacts the rise of the Nazis, >the massacres, the concentration camps and the liberation >of the few survivors. One glass wall of a hallway lists >the names of hundreds of predominantly Jewish communities >and towns decimated by the Nazi's. The Nazi's committed >hundreds of "Wacos" against Jews alone. (And destroyed >thousands of other villages on their march through Eastern >Europe and the Soviet Union.) > I was most strongly reminded of Waco at the end of >the 15 minute movie that described the museum's exhibits. >In the final scene an American flag flies as the commentator >says something like, "And Americans must make sure that >something like this never happens here in America or anywhere >again." Well, I hadn't intended to do so, but I spontaneously >called out, "No More Wacos." I'm sure a few of the other >visitors understood my concern-and that it was in the spirit >of the Museum and not against it. > C.Moore fails to mention, among other things, that the USHMM helped President Clinton hide the murders of the Davidians from the US public. How? The inferno at Mt. Carmel had hardly gone out when the USHMM presented Clinton as guest of honor at the dedication of the USHMM held on *April 19, 1993.* While *affirming* the holocaust of the Jews during WWII, Clinton used the backdrop of the USHMM dedication to *deny* the Davidian holocaust, and to make the false claim that the Davidians had committed suicide! And not one of the "Never Again" crowd opened his mouth or uttered a word of condemnation or comment on the public slaughter of the Da
Re: [CTRL] Possible Santa Conspiracy Uncovered
-Caveat Lector- Brian Redman wrote: > (CNNS, 12/05/98) -- Sherman Skolnick III, grandson of > Chicago-area researcher Sherman Skolnick, has issued a press > release in which the 7-year-old investigator insists that there > is no Santa Claus. "It's all a plot by adults. They are all > lying to us. There is no Santa Claus," said the young Skolnick. This is propaganda from the same labs that suggested the Easter Bunny isn't real. Santa continues to bring me toys and partake of the snacks I leave for him. I propose an alternate conspiracy theory. This message was sent from Santa Claus, who is sick and tired of bringing children gifts. Proof comes from the name of the sender of the message, Brian "Redman," as in the fat red man who jettisons down the chimney with toys for all. Brian Redman is Santa Claus, and he's sick of bringing us gifts. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: US Countermands Netanyahu
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/5/98 6:08:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I don't think the Lebanese think of the Israeli as liberators nevertheless. You're right, they no longer do. The Israelis overstayed their welcome. The Israelis had advanced to Beirut with the Lebanese cheering them all the way. However, the US State Dept. saw to it that the IDF didn't wipe out the PLO forces, the very thing the Israelis came to do (Remind you of the US in southern Iraq?). Israel withdrew from most of Lebanon once they belatedly realized that the people were no longer cheering. Actually, Israel only controls the most southern part of Lebanon now. Jerry harp DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: corporation nation
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- In reply - This covers the fact that pharmaceutical are trying to patent native remedies (mainly) of emerging countries. Trying to pressure some countries to help pass laws to their benefit (marijuana). And (it seems) that if Clinton is not able to enact FEMA and the School to work law (more about why if asked). That these companies, which seem to rule (own) some of the small nations, will start to feel the pinch in their off shore bank accounts (which Clinton seems to have helped out with). Aspartame, organophosphate, pvc, Canola Oil and a host of others will be kicked out if the FDA and EPA get together, and have the support that could enable then to kick these things out of America. What would happen, well the R and D, and propaganda divisions of those companies know. We will follow a path that the Orientals, Africans, South Americans, and some other counties have already blazed. We will go mainly to herbs. They will not make so much money, will not be able to sell us so much snake oil, and you will have to be a informed consumer which will mean that the Muzzle that was put on the Doctors (med mal-practice) will be somewhat taken off. We will be allowed to work with our doctor. HMO's - now with this laying in the future for those companies do you have any question about why they were able to get Hillary to put in HMO's. But wait the Pres. may not be able to protect them well enough. So, what else are they doing. Well they want to patent and be the only ones allowed to market Herbs. How can they drive a wedge in there? How about getting the Shrinks in on it? Psychologist and Psychiatrists - The ones with a medical degrees are (currently) the only ones allowed to dispense drugs. But the other ones are lobbying to be able to do it to. * >From my home page- (New 23Oct 98) Monsanto is the company that makes Aspartame, Bovine Growth Hormone, Terminator Seed Technology, Roundup, and assorted other goodies that are being proven detrimental to the health of the family. Sugar has been shown to be addictive and a hazard to your health (1). It has been linked to lung disease when used to cure tobacco. Think of burnt sugar, now think of burning it in a cigarette. But what of cigarette manufacturers, wonder of some of them are ready to make marijuana cigarettes - considering California's newest legislation. What are the alternatives? It is not Aspartame or artificial sweeteners, the ones currently on the market have been shown to CAUSE things like Diabetes, heart attack to hyperactivity and death. So what is the alternative? Macrobiotic Cooking (2) and the cookbooks that they have put out can be a guideline. If anyone has other ideas, or urls please send them to me! Will be putting a editorial on sugar in this site within the next several weeks. In the Middle Ages refined sugar was originally handled by apothecary shops as a dangerous drug, it was not until the Age of Enlightenment that it started being used. It is one of the causes of degenerative disease, as well as mental and emotional disorders. Bottom line - do we label ADD, ADHD as genetic because we refuse to stop using things that are detrimental to our health or do we look for the answers? One more help - some vitamins have a bad bases, check out info on the web, I (personally) suggest NATURAL and only the natural food supplements - (these can be checked out through this page too, so that you can make your own choice). These are different in the ways that they are made. That means that even though the merger between Monsanto and American Home Products (makers of Centrum) fell through, "I" think that in some ways they are still treading the same path. ** Wonder how much stock Monsanto already owns (of American Home Products?) If Monsanto goes bad they can always take over a company that makes Vitamines - expessally IF they can try to get Herbs labeled as pharmaceutical... I agree the next war is going to be between the companies not the countries. -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT h
[CTRL] Possible Santa Conspiracy Uncovered
-Caveat Lector- POSSIBLE SANTA CONSPIRACY UNCOVERED --- (CNNS, 12/05/98) -- Sherman Skolnick III, grandson of Chicago-area researcher Sherman Skolnick, has issued a press release in which the 7-year-old investigator insists that there is no Santa Claus. "It's all a plot by adults. They are all lying to us. There is no Santa Claus," said the young Skolnick. Asked to explain the various TV appearances by Santa, in which the kindly North Pole entrepreneur is clearly seen as in fact existing, young Master Skolnick elaborated: "Those guys are all fakes. They all disguise themselves as 'Santa,' but they're really just regular people." CNNS (Conspiracy Nation News Service) contacted Chip Berlet, Jr., son of noted conspiracy debunker Chip Berlet, and asked for his thoughts on a possible "Santa conspiracy," where 'Santa' supposedly does not exist and adults are all lying about it. Young Master Berlet waxed philosophical as he stared out the window and voiced his thoughts: "Is he [Master Skolnick] saying that THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of adults are ALL somehow keeping this a secret? I find that hard to believe." Young Master Berlet added that he feared there could be anti-Semitism involved in Master Skolnick's "Santa doesn't exist" conspiracy theory. "How long will it be before young Skolnick somehow blames it on the Jews?" he wondered. Also contacted by CNNS was Gerald Posner III, grandson of conspiracy debunker Gerald Posner. When asked for his opinion on the matter, young Master Posner raised the question as to why, if Santa Claus did not exist, no major journalist had yet broken the story. "This would be one heck of a story," said young Posner. "It would sell a lot of newspapers and make the career of any reporter who uncovered it. So how could it be that NOT ONE credible journalist has reported on this?" Master Posner also found it hard to believe that so many adults could keep such a secret to themselves. "A football stadium full of adults, all tacitly agreeing to lie about Santa Claus?" asked young Posner. "Hey. It's hard enough for just two people to keep a secret and here we're talking about thousands of people. Not possible." But Sherman Skolnick III is sticking by his story, insisting again and again that there is no Santa Claus. Too bad for young Master Skolnick: unlike good boys Chip Berlet, Jr., and Gerald Posner III, it looks like there'll be no toys for Master Skolnick this Christmas. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + INFORMATION PLEASE: Conspiracy Nation News Service (CNNS) is a co-operative effort. Without the hints/rumors provided by many excellent sources, we could not exist. Have YOU heard anything lately that might be important? Pass it along to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anonymity is guaranteed. If you prefer, send your news tip or clues on same to: Brian Redman, 310 S. Prairie (#202), Champaign, IL 61820. Or you can go to a pay phone and call in your news tip: 217-356-4418. THEY will never tell us the whole truth about what is going on. But we, the People, working together, can find out what is REALLY happening. Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The World Conspirators: the Illuminati
-Caveat Lector- About the Illuminati and the New World Order: Very good article. It fits in with a book I just finished reading, it was called "New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies" it's written by William T. Still. Good book with lots of sources on this subject. Jesse DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 112.000 IRAQ EVIL EMPIRE
-Caveat Lector- Subject: 112.000 IRAQ EVIL EMPIRE Where did the Iraqis get all their military might in the beginning? It was given to them by the US government. Through the use of agents like the C.I.A. the US politicians turn countries against their neighbors and create civil wars with in nations in order that the American politicians can take control of other nations. The evil empire is controlled by the Republican and Democratic Mob families. There is no nation in the world which compares in the responsibility of deaths of people of other nations to achieve it's own agenda. Wave a red, white and blue flag ... play a tune the Lemmings have been conditioned to march to and the party groupies will throw flowers at the feet of the party mobs. As states of America were once sovereign nations which have become slave territories, so will the other nations of the world be controlled by the party mob bosses of the United States. They have the same dream as Hitler, except that they will stand back and watch as they turn other nations against each in slaughter, until it is time for them to step in and take over their countries. . DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 112.000 CLINTON/DOLE 96 CAMPAIGN
-Caveat Lector- Subject: 112.000 CLINTON/DOLE 96 CAMPAIGN The democratic and republican mob family both were involved in the 1996 robbery of the American people. Between Clinton and Dole, they illegally used over 46 million dollars in their 86 campaign. And who in the mob families is going to bring their own mob members to justice? You see when you belong to the mob, it is your mob family which protects it's own. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 112.000 CUBAN CRISIS
-Caveat Lector- Subject: CUBAN CRISIS In the minds of the American people, Cuba began the offensive action when they teamed up with Russia to install the missiles. #1 They neglect to remind people that the US had already installed missiles in Turkey to point at Russia BEFORE the Russians made their move. #2 They neglect to tell how in the proceeding years the United States government sent agents into Cuba to blow up factories and to burn large farm areas. People do not want to know how the American government was trying to control the Cuban government just like they are trying to control other governments. #3 What would the American people have thought if they would have known that the president with his hand on the red button, was on speed? How many Americans know that the Cubans were taking defensive action against the party mob families of the US who were/are trying to control all nations in the world? . DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FWD: EU's Hypocrisy
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 17:42:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: CAS: OT: Wired: Europe is Listening To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: BRENDA JINKINS 383-4248 For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use. www.wired.com 12/2/98 Europe Is Listening by Niall McKay 5:10 p.m. 2.Dec.98.PST The European Union is quietly getting ready to approve legislation that will allow the police to eavesdrop both on Internet conversations and Iridium satellite telephone calls without obtaining court authorization. The legislation is part of a much wider memorandum of understanding between the EU, the United States, Canada, New Zealand, and Norway, a nonmember European nation. That agreement allows authorities to conduct telecom surveillance across international borders, according to a Europol document leaked to members of the European Parliament. If approved, it would permit real-time, remote monitoring of email, as well as of calls placed on satellite telephone networks such as those maintained by Iridium and Globalstar. Unlike most laws in Europe, the agreement will allow law enforcement to listen in without a court order. Ironically, in September, the European Parliament called for accountability of Echelon, the US National Security Agency's spying network that is reportedly able to intercept, record, and translate any electronic communication -- telephone, data, cellular, fax, email, or telex. == This mailing list is for discussion of Clinton Administration Scandals. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send electronic mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put: unsubscribe cas -->snip> What happened to practicing what you preach? Regards, -A http://www.erols.com/mack97 "The sharpest tool in the shed." -- anonymous
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: US Countermands Netanyahu
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/4/98 5:14:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << It tends to be rather the opposite. For instance, when Israel invaded Lebanon (actually no longer a functioning country by then thanks to Syria's invasion into the north and the Palestinian invasion following King Hussein's kicking the Palestinians out of Jordan), the Lebanese hailed the Israelis as liberators. The Lebanese had been under the occupation of the gangster like PLO forces. The American press was careful not to report this reality and the video of this reaction was not shown. >> I seem to recall it was the Syrians who had taken over Lebanon in large part. I don't think the Lebanese think of the Israeli as liberators nevertheless. We never talk too much about the fact that Israel orders Lebanon around as though it was a colony. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Waco video on HBO3 Sun. Dec. 6
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/2/98 10:02:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > It's 86 murdered at Waco, not 186. I highly recommend the film. Gavin. > Yes, it is a terrible thing that a charismatic pedophile and his sicko followers burned their own children to death rather than be served a subpoena. Jerry harp -- Did you know that 'gullible' is not in the dictionary? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: corporation nation
Exxon merges with Mobil. Citicorp marries Travelers. Daimler Benz gobbles up Chrysler. BankAmerica takes over NationsBank. WorldCom eats MCI. Corporations are getting bigger and bigger, and their influence over our lives continues to grow. America is in an era of corporate ascendancy, the likes of which we haven't seen since the Gilded Age. Charles Derber, a professor of sociology at Boston College, believes that, contrary to the lessons our civics teacher taught us, it is undemocratic corporations, not governments, that are dominating and controlling society. In his most recent book, Corporation Nation (St. Martin's Press, 1998), Derber argues that the consequence of the growing power of giant corporate multinationals is increased disparity in wealth, rampant downsizing and million dollar CEOs making billion dollar decisions with little regard for average American. A couple of years ago, Derber wrote The Wilding of America (St. Martin's Press, 1996) in which he argued that the American Dream had transmuted into a semi-criminal, semi-violent virus that is afflicting large parts of the elites of the country. That book tried to call attention to the extent to which violent behavior could be understood as a product of oversocialization. "The problem was not that they had been underexposed to American values, but that they could not buffer themselves from those values," Derber told us. "They had lost the ability to constrain any kind of anti-social behavior -- because of obsessions with success -- the American Dream." By anti-social behavior, Derber means the epitome of Reaganism -- "a kind of warping of the more healthy forms of individualism in our culture into a hyperindividualism in which people asserted their own interests without regard to its impact on others." At the time, Derber was interviewed on a Geraldo show about paid assassins -- people who killed for money. "It was scary to be around young people who confessed to killing for relatively small amounts of money -- a few thousand dollars," Derber said. "They said things like -- 'you have to understand, this is just a business, everybody has to make money.' I pointed out on the show that this was the language that business usually uses." At the same time, Newsweek ran a cover story titled "Corporate Killers." On the cover, Newsweek ran the mug shots of four CEOs who had downsized in profitable periods and upped their own salaries. "These corporate executives tended to use the same language as the paid assassins on the Geraldo show, 'I feel fine about this because I'm just doing what the market requires,'" Derber explains. "I develop an analogy between paid assassins on the street and those in the suites. In the most general sense, these corporate executives are paid hitmen who use very much the same language and rationalization. I argue that corporations are exemplifying a form of anti-social behavior which is undermining a great deal of the social fabric and civilized values that we would hope to sustain." With the hitmen parallel fresh in his mind, Derber began writing Corporation Nation. In it, Derber points to the parallels between today and the age of the robber barons 100 years ago -- the wave of corporate mergers, the widening gulf between rich and poor (Bill Gates' net worth (well over $50 billion) is more than that of the bottom 100 million Americans), the enormous influence of corporations over democratic institutions, both major parties bought off by big business, and a Democratic President closely aligned with big business (Grover Cleveland then, Bill Clinton today). One big difference between then and now: back then, a real grassroots populist movement rose up to challenge corporate power, though it did not succeed in attaining its core goals. Today, while there are many isolated movements challenging individual corporate crimes, there is no mass movement attacking the corporation as the cause of the wealth disparity, destruction of the environment, and all the many other corporate driven ills afflicting society. Derber, a professor of sociology at Boston College, says that when he asks his students, "Have you ever thought about the question of whether corporations in general have too much power," they uniformly say they have never had that question raised. Derber says that one good way to again build a populist movement to attack corporate power is to study the language and tactics of the populists of 100 years ago. He has, and he makes clear in his book that the original conception of the corporation was one of a public -- not private -- entity. We the people created the corporation to build roads, and bridges, and deliver the goods. If the corporation didn't do as we said, we yanked their charter. The corporate lawyers quickly got their hands around that idea, smashed it, and replaced it with the current conception of the corporation, a private person under the law, with the rights and privileges of any other l
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: US Countermands Netanyahu
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/4/98 5:14:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Something similar is happening with the American news media playing down the reaction of ordinary Chileans at the arrest of Pinochet. Have you noticed how outraged the WSJ is at Pinochet having suffered the indignity of it all. Scant mention much less interviewing of the still living victims or showing of the cheering people. Thank God that at least Spain and Britain care that their citizens are murdered while our own diplomats wring their hands at the thought of making tin horn dictators upset. >> Read my posting about the "Prisoner Pinochet" article in the December 2l issue of THE NATION. Our government and its CIA worked side by side with Pinochet to achieve his ends. Further when Spain asked in l997 for some of the records that we had on the human rights abuses, the Clinton Administration stonewalled for a year and then gave them four boxes of trash--a box with newspaper clippings, documentation of an operation in Honduras called Condor that was unrealated to Chile's Operation Condor and two other boxes of pages of legal files on the prosecution of the anti-Castro Cubans who participated in the Letelier-Moffitt car-bombing. We're obviously with our friend Pinochet right to the end. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Did You Know 8
-Caveat Lector- The December 2l, l998 issue of THE NATION has a marvelous article by Peter Kornbluh about Pinochet and our part in making his governmental policies. It appears the British are not all fond of him either. There is one spot in the article where a British columnist for THE INDEPENDENT responds to Chileans lobbying for Pinochet's release by writing: "Your beloved general is safe from us. He will not be tortured, stabbed or shot, or have electrodes attached to his genitals. We will not drop him from a helicopter into the sea, kidnap his grandchildren, break his hands or gouge his eyes. Our most vengeful hope is that he and his family may feel--if only for a second--one billionth part of the terrible pain and mental agony that he so pompously and callously visited on others." And our CIA could always chime in just like the kid in the commercials with, "And I helped." There's one observation that the CIA's Santiago station chief, Stuart Burton, maintained "a close relationship: with DINA commander Col. Manuel Contreras. They used to go on SUnday picnics together with their families. It's a humdinger of an article, and I recommend it highly. The Calvin Trillin poem alone is worth the price of the magazine. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New Info On Colby Death
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/4/98 4:36:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Has any prominent person in Washington, DC dropped dead within the past six years who wasn't done in by the President or the First Lady? >> Probably not. In fact just read the obit lists in the Post and TImes. It's all the fault of Bill and Hillary. This takes in the surrounding areas of Maryland, Virginia, N. Carolina dn South Carolina, a bit of West Virginia as well. Not a soul as perished that we can't blame on the White House. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A COCKROACH REMEDY FOR SNOW OWL
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/4/98 7:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << But beware, pennyroyal is a strong abortificant, so pregnant women should handle it or be exposed to it. >> I've heard some warnings from vets too. It seems that it can cause similar troubles to animals. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: column, Dec. 9
This column really tells it like it is. Thought you might like to read it. Prudy FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED DEC. 9, 1998 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Role of U.S. businessmen must be exposed The first instinct is to dismiss allegations that major American auto makers collaborated with Hitler's war effort. After all, it sounds like another attempt to blame "greedy businessmen" for all of history's ills -- a favorite tactic of the political left. The current civil case against the major automakers is being brought by "lawyers in Washington and New York who specialize in extracting large cash settlements from banks and insurance companies accused of defrauding Holocaust victims," reports Michael Dobbs of The Washington Post. (When individual culpability can be shown, of course, actual surviving victims deserve restitution. But when do such lawsuits cross the line into an extortion racket, in which those with deep pockets -- generations removed from any real culpability -- are hounded into paying up, regardless of guilt?) But let's be clear: There are times when history does need to be rewritten. Some who put their lives on the line flying bomber missions over occupied Europe in 1944 -- including Reuben "Red" Hafter, now a retired test pilot and active spokesman for Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership -- have long held that American bomber command was not ignorant of what was going on in Hitler's death camps. Hafter recalls arguing with his commanders repeatedly that they should bomb the rail lines leading to the German concentration camps in order to interrupt Nazi logistics. "I told them, 'People are dying there.' It's not true that we didn't know." Rumors have also circulated for years that the allied air forces purposely held back from bombing certain industrial targets because English or American corporate interests owned shares in those facilities. Now come revelations (in newly-rediscovered official postwar investigations by the U.S. Army) that, far from being a hapless victim when the factories of its German subsidiary were taken over and converted to German war production in 1939, the German branch of Ford became an "arsenal of Naziism" with the "consent" of the firm's Dearborn headquarters. Meantime, according to the typewritten notes of James Mooney, then GM director in charge overseas operations, Mooney met with Adolf Hitler in Berlin two weeks after the invasion of Poland -- and returned to Germany in February of 1940 for further discussions and a factory tour with no less a figure than Hermann Goering -- to negotiate a government-brokered contract under which GM's German subsidiary helped manufacture the Junker "Wunderbomber." An FBI report dated July 23, 1941, quoted Mooney as saying he would refuse to take any action that might "make Hitler mad." It's unlikely any of these actions violated U.S. law. The United States was technically neutral until Pearl Harbor in 1941. Germany was not then an "enemy" with whom trade was restricted. But such rationales do little to curb our shock over revelations that American businessmen were cooperating with the Fuhrer even as his troops carved up Poland and prepared to turn their eyes to the west. Nor should the assertion that "they didn't do anything illegal" now prevent a full exposure of the historical truth -- especially since American businessmen, operating subsidiaries all over the world, doubtless still face similar moral quandaries every day. Is it enough to merely obey local laws and "prevailing customs"? American businessmen take political heat when their foreign factories pay less than American wages, or when they provide factory jobs to children overseas. But if they're putting meals on the tables of families that would otherwise be worse off -- if those child laborers are their parents' sole breadwinners, and would otherwise have to fall back on child prostitution -- applying American standards is absurd. Yet how tempting it is to then go a step further, justifying bribery or the use of the forced labor of political prisoners, rationalizing "That's just the way things are done over there -- if we say no, the contract will only go to the Germans or the French." Go far enough down this road, and you can probably convince yourself it's OK to build bombers for the Wehrmacht. In the end, the only solution is for each investor to take some personal responsibility for knowing how his or her capital is used. Did Ford and GM stockholders know or care what was being done in their names in 1940? For that matter, did you own U.S. Treasury bonds in 1993, when some of the money our government thus borrowed from its own citizens was used to arm and pay men to shoot up and finally burn down a Seventh Day Adventist church in Waco, Texas, immolating dozens of unarmed women and children -- all merely to justify their agency's "SWAT" funding at pending
Re: [CTRL] A COCKROACH REMEDY FOR SNOW OWL
-Caveat Lector- Together We Create Heaven on Earth [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] A COCKROACH REMEDY FOR SNOW OWL Prudy writes: >I've always used this with a vacuum cleaner. It seems there are no fleas in >Utah. When I moved there, the vet so informed me. No one seemed certain why >not, but some folks attributed it to the borax in the soil there. You may be above the flea line. They can't survive (or the eggs can't survive) above 5000 feet. I'm at 7000 ft and not a flea in sight all summer long anywhere. Additionally, rattle snakes don't usually go above 5000 ft either unless it is particularly dry and they go in search of water from the mountain springs/streams. Hilary DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A COCKROACH REMEDY FOR SNOW OWL
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/4/98 12:13:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << > > Well, and while we're on the subject, I have a great, and very cheap method of > keeping fleas out of the house. Anyone interested? Prudy I am...please send. By the way vinegar, just plain vinegar works on ants! >> I've always used this with a vacuum cleaner. It seems there are no fleas in Utah. When I moved there, the vet so informed me. No one seemed certain why not, but some folks attributed it to the borax in the soil there. So when I got to Pennsylvania and became owner of a very large dog that needed long, long walks which took place in a state park, I decided to try the borax thing. I bought a large box of 20-Mule Team Borax and every time I change the vacuum cleaner bag, I start it by letting it suck up about a forth of a cup of the borax. Just the fumes going out the vacuum exhaust seem to be enough. I've been walking the dog three to five miles every morning in a wooded parkland where there is a ton of wild life, and we live next to a wooded area with more wild life that visits our back yard whenever the sun goes down. My dog hasn't had a flea in six years, and there are none in my carpets. I do vacuum every day; I don't know if it would work if I didn't vacuum regularly. Bye the way, how do you use the vinegar for ants? I have a girlfriend with an ant problem. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Koreana: 12-05
-Caveat Lector- I think they call it 'Ops check' and I think it worked ... I recall a time at the firing range when a co-firer complained his rifle was jammed after having fired only one round. The instructor when to check it out and found the 'switch' for single round firing or clip firing was faulty -- fired the clip in either position. Darned switches ... "" Via Irish Times WORLDSaturday, December 5, 1998 Missile launch blamed on 'circuitory problem' South Korea: South Korean forces near the heavily militarised border accidentally launched a fully armed antiaircraft missile yesterday that exploded in mid-air, injuring at least three people. Defence ministry officials said the missile was fired in the morning during an equipment-checking drill at an air force base in the western port city of Inchon, some 40 km from the border dividing the two Koreas. The Korean air force later said in a statement that an electrical defect occurred as soldiers turned on a switch which signified that all was ready for inspection. "Normally the missile cannot be launched with this switch," the statement said. "A circuitory problem, not human error, was the cause of the accident," it added. The statement said military authorities would continue to investigate the reason behind the defect. Air force Lt Col Lee Sung-ryol said earlier that an automatic safety device caused the missile to self-destruct in mid-air three seconds after it was launched because a target was not assigned to it. The missile was fully armed, he said. Reports earlier had said the missile was unarmed. Fragments from the exploding missile hit a nearby residential area, injuring at least three civilians and damaging cars and homes, Yonhap Television News (YTN) said. The flaming debris also set off a fire on a nearby hill. One man was brought to hospital with head injuries from the missile's fragments. Local television showed images of damaged cars and broken windows from the missile fragments. Police said 41 cars and nine homes and business were reported damaged by the explosion. Some 165 sq metres of trees and brush were burnt down by flames on the hill, police said. The missile was identified as a 34-year-old "Nike Hercules" with a target range of some 160 km, designed for shooting down enemy aircraft and large missiles, YTN said. The accident near the last Cold War frontier came as North Korea was escalating its war of words with the US. - (Reuters) ~ >From Sydney Morning Herald Friday, December 4, 1998 KOREA Seoul to pay for North's reactors By JOHN LARKIN Seoul: Cash-strapped South Koreans may be forced to open their wallets to help pay for two nuclear reactors being built in North Korea, despite an economic slump which has slashed their incomes. The Government is considering boosting electricity prices by between 2 and 4 per cent to defray the cost of the $US4.5 ($7.25) billion reactors, which are being built under a 1994 deal to mothball North Korea's nuclear menace. Seoul will pay $US3.2 billion - about 70 per cent of the total bill. The rest will be provided by other members of an international consortium behind the light-water reactors, which produce only small amounts of weapons-grade plutonium. But a worsening economic slump means South Korea does not have the spare cash to pay for the project. An official said yesterday that it may resort to a price rise which would only slightly boost the average monthly electricity bill. Officials believe, perhaps a little hopefully, that Koreans would not mind paying for peace, despite the fact that many oppose the idea of paying blackmail money to a regime which does not even recognise their country. With Koreans taking to the streets to protest against politicians who failed to foresee the economic crisis, many will see the latest proposal as adding insult to injury. But it is not finalised yet. Newspaper articles outlining the plan yesterday were seen as a ploy to gauge public opinion before pressing ahead with consultations before new laws. The cash grab comes as North Korea accuses the United States of driving the Korean peninsula "to the brink of war" over its demand for inspections of a suspected underground nuclear site. ~ >From Yahoo! in Asia News Saturday December 5, 3:46 AM "Great differences" with US on nuclear talks: North Korean NEW YORK, Dec 4 (AFP) - US and North Korean delegates are faced with "great differences" in talks over a disputed North Korean nuclear site which opened here Friday, a North Korean delegate said. The North Korean vice foreign minister, speaking through an interpreter, said the talks were "not that smooth." There are "great differences in our views," Kim Kye-Gwan said, during a lunch break after an official round of negotiations. And he repeated North Korea's rejection of proposed inspections at the suspect site an
[CTRL] Weaver angry at U.S. over Ruby Ridge
-Caveat Lector- From: http://insidedenver.com/news/1205weav6.shtml - Weaver angry at U.S. over Ruby Ridge Son, wife killed during 17-month siege with marshals, FBI in 1992 By Kevin Flynn News Staff Writer Randy Weaver, an idol of many in the anti-government movement, went after federal agents in absentia when he told his side of the story of the 1992 Ruby Ridge tragedy on Friday at the Denver Preparedness Expo. "Some of them believe they're God and they can do anything they want to you," Weaver told an audience of several hundred people. Weaver's wife, Vicki, and 14-year-old son, Sam, were killed during a siege of the Weaver home in Idaho by U.S. marshals and FBI agents. Marshal William Degan was killed during a shootout. "A lot of people tell me I have to forgive these people for what they did," Weaver said. "No I don't, not unless they have a contrite heart." Weaver kept his presentation to about as many words as he exchanged with federal agents during the 17 months he was holed up in his mountain-top home. He talked for just six minutes as the featured speaker kicking off the lectures at the Expo's opening day. He took questions when he finished, but politely declined one questioner who asked for details of the events of the deadly siege. He drew applause when he said he hopes for chaos in the coming year from Y2K computer glitches. Y2K stands for year 2000, when some computer programs that operate with two-digit year entries are predicted to fail and cause widespread disruption of goods and services. The Preparedness Expo, which runs through Sunday at the Merchandise Mart on East 58th Avenue at Interstate 25, is drawing people in search of survival goods. "I hope Y2K shuts the government down totally and they have to go out and get real jobs," Weaver said. Weaver, 50, is at the Expo to sell the self-published book he wrote with his daughter, Sara, 22, titled The Federal Siege at Ruby Ridge in Our Own Words. Asked about the major difference between his book and others written about the event that galvanized the citizen patriot movement in America, Weaver said, "Everything in this one is true." Weaver and his children won $3.1 million from the government to settle a lawsuit they brought over the killings. Weaver and a friend at the siege, Kevin Harris, both were wounded and later were put on trial in Degan's killing. They were found innocent of murder. Weaver blames the entire episode on federal law enforcement bungling and "lack of common sense." A white separatist who knew people in the Aryan Nations movement in northern Idaho, Weaver says he was targeted for three years by a government informant trying to turn him into a snitch against Aryan Nations. The informant got Weaver to sell him two sawed-off shotguns in 1989. Agents later threatened to prosecute him on the illegal weapons charge unless he cooperated. He refused. When he was given the wrong date for his trial and didn't show up, a fugitive warrant was issued and Weaver resolved to stay on Ruby Ridge. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] N. Ireland Police Blame Masonic Orangemen For Violence
-Caveat Lector- From: http://www.cwnews.com/news/getstory.cfm?recnum=9086 - Northern Ireland Police Blame Orangemen For Violence DUBLIN (CWNews.com) - In Northern Ireland, the Chief Constable of the Royal Ulster Constabulary, Ronnie Flanagan, has hit out at attempts by Orangemen to blame police for last night's trouble in Drumcree, in which 10 policemen were injured. Members of the Masonic Orange Lodge have been camped at Drumcree in County Armagh since July, when they were refused permission to march through a Catholic area to commemorate the victory of the Protestant King William of Orange at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. Flanagan -- a Protestant -- said one thousand Orangemen arrived in Drumcree last night with fireworks in their back pockets, with iron bars, cudgels, stones, bricks, and bottles, with the intention of provoking violence and confrontation with police. Four protesters were treated in hospital after the clashes but there were no arrests. None of the RUC injuries were serious. Portadown Orange Lodge spokesman, David Jones, said Orangemen intended to continue the protest until they were allowed down the nationalist Garvaghy road. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CIA Role In Satellite Case Leads To Probe - Report
-Caveat Lector- From: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story.html?s=v/nm/19981205/ts/satellites_2.html - Saturday December 5 12:08 AM ET CIA Role In Satellite Case Leads To Probe - Report WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Justice Department is investigating whether the CIA obstructed justice by giving Hughes Electronics Corp information about a congressional inquiry into the transfer of U.S. space technology to China, The Washington Post reported Saturday. Quoting unidentified senior federal government officials, the newspaper said high-ranking CIA officials had agreed to testify next week before a federal grand jury about information provided earlier this year to Hughes. The company has supplied the CIA with satellites and sophisticated communications equipment for decades. The CIA gave Hughes information about the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence's technology transfer investigation that might have enabled the firm to anticipate the moves of congressional investigators, the Post said. The Justice Department initiated the probe at the request of the Senate committee. The report said the committee was alarmed to learn the CIA had told Hughes the names of company officials which the agency had previously supplied to the panel to assist in its investigation. A CIA official acknowledged that the agency may have erred in providing certain information to Hughes, the Post said. But the official said the information was turned over in the normal course of business between the agency and one of its major classified contractors with no intention of interfering with the Senate investigation. A spokesman for the company told the Post: ``Hughes has not been provided information by the CIA regarding the details of federal criminal investigations involving Hughes.'' Hughes and Loral Space & Communications Ltd (NYSE:LOR - news) are under investigation by the Justice Department and two congressional committees for their role in transferring technology to the Chinese after satellites belonging to Hughes and Loral were destroyed in two Chinese rocket explosions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Veterans back Iraq over Gulf war illness
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_227000/2275 59.stm"> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_227000/227559.stm December 3, 1998 Veterans back Iraq over Gulf war illness Iraq blames DU for increase in deformities Veterans from the 1991 Gulf war against Iraq are joining the Iraqi authorities in saying that ammunition used by the allies in the war has caused severe health problems. The veterans are attending an international medical conference in Baghdad on the impacts of depleted uranium, DU, which Iraq says is still poisoning the population. Iraqi doctors say they have seen a huge increase in problems in former combat areas and that childhood cancers have increased four-fold. DU, a metal residue left when natural uranium is refined, gives shells extra penetrating power. On impact, the shells create an airborne dust, which can be poisonous if inhaled or ingested. Two British Gulf War veterans, Ray Bristow and Colin Purcell-Lee, have travelled to Baghdad to gather more information on DU. The two men say they are suffering from the effects of DU. Our correspondent in Baghdad, Jeremy Cooke, says the fact that two British ex-servicemen are at the symposium, sitting with their former enemies, is clearly embarrassing for the UK Government. MoD raids soldier's home Mr Bristow has learned that his home in Hullhas been raided by Ministry of Defence police and several official documents removed. The former warrant officer said he expects to be arrested when he gets home, but is notworried. ''I'm not frightened of the truth. Maybe the Ministry of Defence are, the government are. I'lldo what's just and right. That is being patriotic to one's country. I'm not atraitor,'' he added. Our correspondent says the veterans know Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein will use them for propagandapurposes, but they are not apologising. The MoD says there is no evidence that British troops were exposed to depleted uranium. Child cancers soar The two-day conference, attended by 600 Iraqi doctors and scientists, called for a ban on DU and urged affected families to seek compensation from the US and Britain. Iraqi scientists showed pictures and slides of disfigured babies who were born without hands or legsor with distorted heads. They said the number of babies with birth defects had increased three-fold around thecity of Basra in the south, which was close to Gulf War battlefields. And hospital statistics indicated that the number of Iraqi children with cancer rose to 130,000 in 1997 from 32,000 in 1990. 'Oil well fires could be to blame' But a Canadian scientist, Dr Hari Sharma, said although the deformations were heartbreaking, the Iraqis had failed to prove a link to DU. He suggested the increase in cancer could be caused by the huge oil well fires during the war or the subsequent UN sanctions which led to severe shortages of food and medicines. But he said he had found DU in urine samples from allied Gulf War veterans who had complained of unexpected ailments following service. British and American veterans said they had come to the conference because their own countries were withholding information on DU. === Comments: The CIA recently leaked an area called Kamaishu as being a chem/bioweapons site the US blew up to destroy way out in the middle of no where.Yet---right in the middle of a huge area where soldiers were an ammo depot that cought fire ---burned up---blew up with enough DU to kill half the town with DU toxicity goes uninvestigated or modeled to the degree of the one out in the middle of no where. DU and heavy metal poisioning has the apearance of some biological agent because it alters the immune response and virals, bacteria, and other problems accompany the neurotoxic damages. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of w
[CTRL] Carbon Watch
-Caveat Lector- From: Erin Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CARBON WATCH The Sustainable Energy and Economy Network's Bulletin on Fossil Fuel Projects and Development Aid http://www.seen.org Profiting from pollution International lender leads developing world toward fossil fuels and global warming (This issue also published in November 22, 1998, San Jose Mercury News/Knight-Ridder wire) WASHINGTON THE GATHERING in Buenos Aires a week ago was supposed to be about climate change, but it felt more like a trade show. Instead of focusing on how to prevent global warming, attendees jostled to get a piece of a lucrative emerging market: trading in pollution credits. Leading the pack was the World Bank, which has become the largest public financier of carbon-emitting oil, gas and coal projects in developing nations. Not only are the bank's projects contributing to climate change, but the bank is also hoping to double-dip -- by funding fossil fuel projects in poor countries at the front end, then reaping financial benefits from the resulting pollution. The consequence of this daisy chain is to lock developing countries into a fossil fuel energy path, repeating the mistakes of the First World rather than leapfrogging to newer and cleaner energy technologies. And the ultimate consequence is rapid, perhaps irreversible, global climate change. The World Bank's stated mission is to alleviate poverty and promote sustainable development. Energy consumption is a key indicator of a nation's economic growth, so it is no surprise that roughly a fifth of the World Bank's lending goes toward increasing energy and power supply in poor nations. What is surprising is that the World Bank is doling out billions of dollars a year for fossil fuel projects -- the single greatest contributor to climate change. This is despite the bank's acknowledging that climate change is disastrous for poor nations, and that efficiency and renewable resources such as solar power are the best ways to serve the 2 billion rural poor worldwide who have no electricity. Nevertheless, more than three-fourths of its energy loan portfolio is devoted to fossil fuels. Since the Rio de Janeiro Earth Summit in 1992, the World Bank has spent $13.6 billion on coal mines, oil and gas fields and fossil-fueled power plants in developing countries and the former Soviet bloc; an additional $3.9 billion in loans and credits is pending. And each taxpayer-backed World Bank dollar paves the way for five or six additional dollars in private investment for such projects. Together, these projects will have a significant impact on the global climate. Fossil-fuel burning from post-1992 World Bank projects eventually will contribute an immense burden of carbon dioxide to the Earth's atmosphere -- equivalent to 1.3 times the total emitted by all the world's countries in 1995. Profiting from emissions Plan to enter market in trading pollution It is these emissions from which the bank now hopes to profit. Under a proposal that has been kept tightly under wraps, the bank plans to enter the market in pollution credits -- estimated to reach $150 billion in trading by 2020 -- and skim 5 percent from each trade it brokers. Two types of emissions trading exist under a system approved at the Kyoto climate conference last December: Trades between industrialized nations. These nations pledged at Kyoto to reduce their emissions to below 1990 levels by 2008. Some countries have reached this goal already, so they have the ``right'' to pollute more. They can sell that right to other nations. The climate doesn't know the difference, or so the logic goes. Trades involving a specific project in which two nations cooperate. Under these so-called ``joint implementation'' deals, one nation gets outside investment and allegedly cleaner technology than it could afford alone. In return, the other doesn't have to reduce emissions as much within its borders. That might be a good idea -- if it worked. But the concept behind emissions trading fails on several counts. First, the rationale for emissions trading is that fossil fuels are the only economically viable way for developing countries to get the energy they need to grow. Yet already, the health and other costs from burning coal in China are estimated at 5 percent of China's gross domestic product. And hurricanes such as Mitch, which are expected to increase in intensity with climate change, cause incalculable damage in countries such as Honduras or Nicaragua. Second, emissions trading assumes energy services will ``trickle down'' to the poor, who will then be able to use that energy for cooking, heating or lighting. In fact, the opposite is happening. That's because some World Bank-supported projects encourage the export of fuel to wealthy nations, such as the pipelines that extract oil and gas from Nigeria and Chad. Others produce power for the urban middle-cl
[CTRL] CANCEL MONSANTO LICENCE: GENE CAMPAIGN
-Caveat Lector- CANCEL MONSANTO LICENCE: GENE CAMPAIGN The Pioneer http://www.the-pioneer.com/ Wednesday, December 2, 1998 The Gene Campaign, an organisation fighting for the protection of rights of Indian farmers, has urged the Union government to cancel the licence granted to the US-based multinational Monsanto to conduct field trials as it "lacked transparency in its operations.'' Gene Campaign convenor Suman Sahai, in a statement here, said the interests and goals of Indian agriculture and Monsanto company were diametrically opposite and the latter was in the process of terminator technology for self destructing seeds. "What is good for monsanto is not good for us." Our goals are food and nutritional security for our people and maintaining genetic diversity and easy availability of seeds in all agro-climatic zones," Dr Sahai added. Dr Sahai, a noted bio-technologist, questioned the motives of Monsanto conducting field trials on cotton crop in 40 places in India when it could conduct similar tests in the US which had five times more agricultural land where the BT cotton variety was developed. "Probably, to escape the critical scrutiny and expensive field trials, that company had selected India." Dr Sahai said the gene terminator technology was against nature and was one of the "most dangerous developments'' in agriculture. "There can be nothing more perverse in the field of agriculture than to create seeds that were sterile,'' she said. ``By throwing out the US-based multinational, India must send a message to others that the country was not a dumping ground for toxic wastes, untested vaccines or undesirable seeds,'' Dr Sahai added. PTI adds from Hyderabad: Monsanto India and Maycho on Tuesday ruled out the use of terminator gene technology in its ongoing field trials, with genetically-improved bollgard cotton crops either now or in future. ``We are only using a bacterium from the soil called BT (bacillus thuringiensis) to protect cotton ball from the dreaded bollworm. It is a more cost effective method for Indian farmers than using insecticides,'' said Mr M K Sharma, managing director, Mahyco, and Monsanto manager V Meena. The selective field trials-cum-demonstrations at 41 places and would always be fully in accordance with the statutory requirements and guidelines spelled out by the department of biotechnology, they said. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US DEFENSE DEPT.ADMITS MANUALS VIOLATED US POLICY
-Caveat Lector- > **The information below may be found at SOA WATCH WEB PAGE at: > http://www.soa.org/** > > US Defense Department says teaching manuals violated > US policy > > On September 20, the U.S. Defense Department admitted that manuals used to train soldiers at the US Army School of the Americas at Fort Benning, Georgia, included practices that were outlawed in the 1980s. According to the Pentagon, the manuals suggested that informants could be controlled with fear, beatings, truth serum, and death threats. > > One manual, entitled "Handling of Sources" stated that "The counterintelligence agent must offer presents and compensation for information leading to the arrest, capture or death of guerrillas." Another manual, entitled "Terrorism and the Urban Guerrilla" suggested using extortion in interrogations and that counterintelligence agents' duties should include specifying "targets for neutralizing." > > The Pentagon said that the manuals were used at the School of the Americas from 1989 to 1991 and by trainers in Latin America from 1987 to 1989. According to Lt. Col. Arne Owens, a Pentagon spokesman, "The problem was discovered in 1992, properly reported and fixed." On July 4, 1996, in response to an Intelligence Oversight Board report, School of the Americas spokesman Major Gordon Martel stated that "All of the manuals used by the School of the Americas are approved by the Army, and the school has never done those things [executions and physical abuse], ever, in its history... I'm flabbergasted. I don't know how they could say such things without ever having come down here to the School of the Americas. " The manuals specifying such methods of operation, which violated Army policy at the time. The Defense Department claims that is trying to collect the manuals, but noted that "due to incomplete records, retrieval of all copies is doubtful." > > White House spokesman Mike McCurry, when asked about the School of the Americas during a press conference on Monday, September 23, stated that "the School for the Americas is not the school that would have entertained the use of these very inappropriate manuals long ago." > > The Center for International Policy has made the following related documents available online: > > Defense Department "Fact Sheet" detailing the manuals' use and > quoting the objectionable passages. March 10, 1992 Defense > Department report of the investigation into the manuals' content. 1992 Department of Defense memo detailing "policy on intelligence and counterintelligence training of non-United States persons." > > > > ___ > NUEVO AMANECER PRESS-N.A.P.To know about us visit: > http://www.nap.cuhm.mx/nap0.htm (spanish) > *** > In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107,this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest. This information is for non-profit research and education purpuses only. **We encourage you to reproduce this information but please give credit to the source, translator and publication. thank you.** > General Director:Roger Maldonado-Mexico Director Europe: Darrin Wood-Spain > Advisor and Special Correspondent:Guillermo Michel-Mexico. > NAP Coordination:Susana Saravia > *[EMAIL PROTECTED]* __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Secret tests on Gulf troops -- Radiation checks after top brass try to hush up
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE EXPRESS THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 26 1998 Secret tests on Gulf troops Radiation checks after top brass try to hush up the risk EXCLUSIVE BY NIC FLEMING The Ministry of Defence is conducting secret tests into the possible deadlyb radiation poisoning of Gulf War veterans. Scientists at defence research centre Porton Down are looking into the potential effects of depleted uranium on troops who fought in the 1991 conflict. The MoD has repeatedly insisted British soldiers were not exposed to harmful leels of radioactive substances in the Gulf, but last month former Royal Army Medical Corps theatre technician Ray Bristow became the first British Gulf War veteran to test positive for uranium depletion poisoning, raising the prospect that the thousands more have been exposed. Now the Express can reveal that 16 more British soldiers are awaiting the results of expensive urine tests being carried out at their own expense in Canada and 10 more have asked to give samples. Minutes of a Gulf Veterans Medical Assessment Programme meeting, headed by Professor Harry Lee, which took place earlier this month, seem to contradict MoD denials tht its scientists are investigating the effect of exposure to radioactive material. The document, which has been seen by The Express states: Research was also on-going on depleted uranium and NAPS (nerve agent protection tablets), and Professor Lee mentioned he was going to visit Porton Down next week as part of these investigations. Since coming home from the Gulf at least 300 veterans hae died and around 3,000 have suffered illnesses including breathing disorders, neurological problems, skin problems, memory loss depression and leukaemia. Allied forces in the Gulf War used large quantities of shells and missiles tipped with depleted uranium, especially in anti-tank weaponry. When DU tipped weapons hit a target, tiny radioactive particles are scattered in the surrounding area. Those breathing in large quantities of these particles are likely to suffer from poisonous deposits in the blood, kidney lungs or bones. Cells coming into contact with the uranium can be killed or altered and likely illnesses caused by exposure include kidney damage, psychiatric disorders and cancers. Andrew Honer , of the International All Vets Unit, demanded the Government come clean about any research being carried out into the depleted uranium. Mr Honer, 41, who served in the parachute regiment during the Gulf conflict, said: Its role is supposed to be examining, advising and counselling thousands of active and former members of the armed forces with illnesses related to the war. Given that the MoD has always denied that our forces were exposed to dangerous levels of radiation, why are they now doing research into the effects of exposure? It is an affront to those who have served their country to keep that secret. Asked whether the MoD was carrying out any research into the effects of depleted uranium, an MoD spokesman said: The MoD continue to consider evidence on all suggested causes to Gulf veterans illnesses. These included depleted uranium and Professor Lee is involved in these deliberations. However there is no formal research programme. The MoD remains open to any ew proposals. Psychiatrist Dr Beatrice Bocter, who has been coordinating the testing of veterans worried about DU poisoning said: Our soldiers were poisoned, their forces and populations were poisoned. The West must take responsibility and start cleaning up. Jo Masters, a solicitor at Hodge Jones and Allen which is representing 300 Gulf veterans, said: Its the front line soldiers who are most likely to be affected. We have clients with kidney problems and psychiatric disorders. OPINION: PAGE 10. Page 10 Gulf Veterans face new fear The saga of the so-called Gulf War Syndrome has been with us ever since the end of the conflict in 1991. Two years ago the then Defence Minister, Nicholas Soames, apologised to veterans for the use of dangerous pesticides but the authorities have consistently denied any other liability. Indeed they have refused to acknowledge even that the supposed symptoms of Gulf War Syndrome existed. As we reveal today, however, scientists at the Porton Down defence research centre are looking into the potential effects of deadly depleted uranium on Gulf War troops. Allied forces used large numbers of arms coated in the substance and there is evidence this may have exposed them to dangerous levels. The Governments dismissive reaction to veterans claims has long been unsatisfactory. If the Porton Down research provides concrete proof, the next step will have to include proper compensation. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Subst
Re: [CTRL] Killing unwanted people
-Caveat Lector- Legalized Drugs? The main one that I see right now is Marajana. Monsanto sells most if not all the rape seed to grow Canola Oil. Who sells the Marajana seed, and wants to sell it in America? Laura The Pied Piper -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs & Cases VISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Piper Fwd: Legislation Draft
-Caveat Lector- Hi everybody... I have added 2 more responses to the web site, plus the group response has been updated as well. http://members.aol.com/enviroknow/ATSDR/main.html The first new response, Michelle, is a very personal reply. Perhaps this reply will encourage those of you who were afraid to respond directly to the report, but who still wanted to somehow have your comments recorded by ATSDR. The second response is from the Massachusetts Association for the Chemically Injured, Inc. Finally, the group response has been updated. The deadline for comments is looming quickly. Please consider making some sort of comment if you have not done so already. Please feel free to distribute this information widely. Regards, Andi DesJardins Exec. Dir., Health & environment Resource Center http://members.aol.com/enviroknow/ -- my ICQ# 14484977 Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm Legislation and what we are allowing by Letting our children be labeled as only ADD or ADHD http://www.cec.sped.org/faq/gt-ld.htm (New 16 Oct 98) 3) Uncover Myths in Education Myth 1 That Home Schoolers Need to be under the Umbrella of a Church or Religious Group. http://www.home-ed-press.com/INF/FREE/hsinfo_far1.html ** 1. Take the 60-day No Aspartame Test and send us your case history. Mission Possible International 5950-H State Bridge Rd. #215 Duluth, GA 30097 USA 2. Tell your doctor and all of your friends! 3. Return Asparcidal food to the store. (anything with Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste) VISIT http://www.dorway.com/possible.html Get links to over 30 sites VISIT http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/ ..FAQs & Cases VISIT http://www.notmilk.com Exposing Bovine Growth Hormone Disability and Death are not acceptable costs of business! DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Evil Germans
-Caveat Lector- One says: While it is true that the Germans, Slavs, and Jews bore the brunt of WWII, the difference is that the Jews were killed simply for being Jews. Do you get it now? == The reason to understand religion is because it is intertwined in greed and politics. It does not matter who or what religious group people belong to, when they claim they are God's special people and better than every one else, those (other religious people) around them begin to hate them. Note all the gold and paintings those "Jews" claim to be theirs. Where did they get those billions in wealth? When a great depression is going on and a people's children are starving and with out heat, they tend to hate any group who hoards money and cheats pathetic people. Other than "Jews" there were Hindus, Buddhist ... other religions in Germany, but the Germans did not single them out to kill "because they were Buddhist\Hindus". Jews/Germans were not singled out by English/Germans, Russian/Germans, French/Germans ... because they were Jews. "Jews" were hated because of their better than thou beliefs and because they horded money and took advantage of helpless Dutch/Germans, Polish/Germans It was not those who's heredity involved Jews. It had nothing to do with being a physical Jew. It had every thing to do with hating a group better than all others and stomping on others to gain wealth in the time of a great depression. Nazis, the SS ... begin to trace their family trees and know that thousands of them had Jewish heredity in their past. The fact is that in WW2 there were millions of those evil Germans/Japs who were Americans. Germany was no different than America. Germany was not some nation of German/Germans, Germany was a composite of Europeans from all nations. People are not evil because of their nationality, they are evil because they are mindless groupies who allow themselves to be led by evil leaders. Republicans, Democrats ... The Nazis are all Lemmings who blindly follow corrupt leaders. When one of their gods are exposed in perverted corruption, the party patsy does not distance themselves from that evil, they begin to make excuses for them and change the subject by pointing to some one else. No famous evil leader is no worse than any of millions of others. The thing that empowers an evil person to produce gross evil is party groupies who blindly follow and protect their evil leaders. The reason to understand the identity of the Jews of the bible is to know (according to the bible) all Jews of the bible were Arabs and Africans. The reason to know that all Jews were Arabs and Africans is to know how after WW2, Britain and the allies conspired to establish control of a land area in the middle east by placing mixed Europeans (calling themselves Jews) in power. If by nationality ... Britain and the UN gave half of another people's nation (Arabs) to a bunch of European citizens. If by religion ... Britain and the UN gave half of another people's nation to a group of people based on their religion. Think about it, What do you think the Brits would do if the UN divided England in half and gave it to Chinese because they were Buddhist? * DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Probe of CIA/China/Technology transfer
-Caveat Lector- CIA Faces Criminal Probe in China Case Information Given To Satellite Firm By Vernon Loeb and John Mintz Washington Post Staff Writers Saturday, December 5, 1998; Page A01 The Justice Department has initiated a criminal probe of the CIA to determine whether the agency obstructed justice when it provided information to Hughes Electronics Corp. about the scope of an ongoing congressional investigation into the transfer of sensitive U.S. space technology to China, according to senior federal government officials. High-ranking CIA officials, including the agency's general counsel, have agreed to testify next week before a federal grand jury in Washington about information provided earlier this year to Hughes, which has supplied the CIA with satellites and sophisticated communications equipment for decades. Government sources say the CIA provided information to Hughes about the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence's technology transfer investigation that might have enabled the firm to anticipate the moves of congressional investigators. The Justice Department initiated the obstruction probe at the request of the Senate committee, sources said. The committee became alarmed after learning that the CIA had informed Hughes of names of company officials that the agency had previously supplied to the committee to assist in its investigation, sources said. A CIA spokesman said the agency is fully cooperating in the obstruction probe. Another CIA official, speaking on background, acknowledged that the agency may have erred in providing certain information to Hughes. But the information was turned over in the normal course of business between the agency and one of its major classified contractors with no intention of interfering with the investigation, the official said. The CIA official also stressed that agency employees who provided information to Hughes did so in their official capacities with approval of their superiors, not as individuals acting on their own. The official said that some of what the CIA gave Hughes pertained to the investigations precisely because there was no intent to hide anything, and that agency officials informed the committee of their communications with Hughes. Hughes spokesman Richard Dore said, "Hughes has not been provided information by the CIA regarding the details of federal criminal investigations involving Hughes." Much of the information provided by the CIA to Hughes is contained in CIA documents subpoenaed by the Senate and by federal investigators conducting a parallel probe into the transfer of U.S. technology to China, sources said. Hughes and Loral Space & Communications Ltd. are under investigation by the Justice Department and two congressional committees for their role in transferring technology to the Chinese after Hughes and Loral satellites were destroyed in two Chinese rocket explosions. Government sources said it is highly unusual for the Justice Department to investigate a fellow federal agency -- particularly one as sensitive and secretive as the CIA -- for possible obstruction of justice. Sources said the matter began this fall when a CIA analyst specializing in Chinese technology, Ronald Pandolfi, was called to the Senate committee and told staff members that he had concluded in 1995 that Hughes had been too aggressive in marketing high-technology equipment in China. At the time, according to an account from several sources, Pandolfi conducted interviews with Hughes executives about their work in China, causing Hughes to complain angrily to the CIA that he was operating outside of customary channels. The CIA office that regularly deals with Hughes reprimanded Pandolfi, who, after being summoned by the committee, in September laid out a set of accusations against the firm, sources said. Aware of Pandolfi's views, the CIA gave Hughes a heads-up about his discussion with the committee and offered to supply the panel with the names of Hughes executives who might explain the disagreement, sources said. Meanwhile, in a related development of concern to federal investigators, the House select committee looking into the transfer of sensitive U.S. space technology to China has indicated that it wants to grant immunity to certain Hughes employees from future prosecution based on information they would provide to Congress. One federal government source said that some of those employees are subjects of the Justice Department probe. Federal investigators are concerned by the prospect because congressional immunization can complicate any attempt to prosecute those individuals on any future charges. In one celebrated instance, former White House aide Oliver North had his federal conviction in the Iran-contra scandal overturned after arguing that witnesses who testified against him may have relied on some of the immunized testimony he supplied Congress. The controversy involving Hughes is rooted in its practice, shared by other aerospace firms
[CTRL] OEN 12/5/98
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ http://www.aci.net/kalliste/">The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe - Impeachment Watch Impeachment Trial More Likely after Evasive Clinton Angers House The White House sweats PRESIDENT CLINTON'S evasive answers last week to 81 questions about the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal may have cost him the sympathy of members of the House of Representatives. Fears were voiced that Mr Clinton's refusal to admit that he had lied to a grand jury might mean that the House will narrowly favour his impeachment for perjury. This could come within a fortnight after what seems a certain House Judiciary Committee vote to oust the President. Orrin Hatch, the Senate judiciary committee chairman, is a Utah Mormon Republican and once offered to go easy on Mr Clinton if he told the full truth. But he is now lobbying Republican leaders to prepare for a trial. For the first time Trent Lott, the Senate Republican leader, is mentioning the possibility of a trial. He has been silent on the issue for most of the year. Senate rules state that William H Rehnquist, the Chief Justice, would preside over a trial beginning at 1pm the day after senators receive the article, and would continue in session until a judgment was reached. The general feeling is that, as happened in 1868 when Andrew Jackson escaped impeachment, the Senate would eventually bury the idea. However, in swiftly moving developments yesterday it became clear that there is singular alarm at the White House, where aides warned wavering Democrats to hold the line, saying that a trial could paralyse the country. More alarm was expressed by the New York Democratic congressman Charles Schumer, who has just won a Senate seat and sits on the crucial House Judiciary Committee. He said a full House vote might be inevitable. Republicans say that if necessary Mr Clinton could field witnesses for his defence at next Tuesday's hearing. A debate would ensue, with the party's line being to hand the impeachment issue to the full House. Just what would happen in a full House debate is a nail-biter. Republican head-counters have identified only five of their House members dead set against impeachment. But with at least three Democrats inclined to vote for impeachment, the President would need a minimum of 14 of the 228 House Republicans to rescue him. The London Telegraph, Dec. 5, 1998 Technology to China Dept. of Justice Investigates CIA in Satellite Case Hughes Electronics in the line of fire The Justice Department has initiated a criminal probe of the CIA to determine whether the agency obstructed justice when it provided information to Hughes Electronics Corp. about the scope of an ongoing congressional investigation into the transfer of sensitive U.S. space technology to China, according to senior federal government officials. High-ranking CIA officials, including the agency's general counsel, have agreed to testify next week before a federal grand jury in Washington about information provided earlier this year to Hughes, which has supplied the CIA with satellites and sophisticated communications equipment for decades. Government sources say the CIA provided information to Hughes about the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence's technology transfer investigation that might have enabled the firm to anticipate the moves of congressional investigators. The Justice Department initiated the obstruction probe at the request of the Senate committee, sources said. The committee became alarmed after learning that the CIA had informed Hughes of names of company officials that the agency had previously supplied to the committee to assist in its investigation, sources said. A CIA spokesman said the agency is fully cooperating in the obstruction probe. Another CIA official, speaking on background, acknowledged that the agency may have erred in providing certain information to Hughes. But the information was turned over in the normal course of business between the agency and one of its major classified contractors with no intention of interfering with the investigation, the official said. The CIA official also stressed that agency employees who shared information to Hughes did so in their official capacities with approval of their superiors, not as individuals acting on their own. The official said that some of what the CIA gave Hughes pertained to the investigations precisely because there was no intent to hide anything, and that agency officials informed the committee of their communications with Hughes. Hughes spokesman Richard Dore said, "Hughes has not been provided information by the CIA regarding the details of federal criminal investigations involving Hughes." Much of the information provided by the CIA to Hughes is contained in CIA documents subpoenaed by the Senate and by federal investigators conducting a parallel probe into the transfer of U.S. technology to China, sources said. Hughes and Loral Space & Communicatio
[CTRL] Vatican Promoting Extraterrestrial Contact Stories?
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> VATICAN OFFICIAL DECLARES ON NATIONAL TELEVISION:
> EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT IS REAL
>
> Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a theologian member of the Vatican Curia
>(governing body),
>and an insider close to the Pope, has gone on national Italian television
five
>times, including recent
>months, to proclaim that extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon.
> Balducci provided the Catholic Church's analysis of extraterrestrials,
>emphasizing that
>extraterrestrial encounters "are NOT demonic, they are NOT due to
>psychological
>impairment,
>they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to
be
>studied carefully."
> Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the
>Vatican , and since
>the Catholic Church has historically demonized many new phenomena that were
>poorly
>understood, his proclaiming the Church's non-censure of these encounters is
>all
>the more
>remarkable.
> Balducci revealed to a visiting American professional that the Vatican
is
>closely
>following this phenomenon. My informant surmised that the Vatican is
receiving
>much
>information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its
>Nunciatures
>(embassies) in various countries, such as Mexico, Chile and Venezuela, but
the
>Monsignor may
>have gotten his cases from other sources. Monsignor Balducci is a member of
a
>group which acts
>as consultants to the Vatican on various matters possibly involving
spiritual
>beings, including the
>matter of extraterrestrial encounters, and what the spiritual significance
is
>of the emerging general
>realization of extraterrestrial contact.
> Parallel information from National Security Council scientist Dr.
Michael
>Wolf , a member of
>the NSC's MJ-12 subcommittee for managing the UFO phenomenon, as well as
from
>noted
>author and Vatican expert Father Malachi Martin, suggests that the Vatican
is
>concerned that it
>will have a major doctrinal updating situation on its hands when
>extraterrestrial contact becomes
>authoritatively announced by world governments over the next several years.
> Parenthetically, it can be observed that the Vatican Curia member's
>declarations on Italian
>national television represent technically the first declaration by an
official
>of a Major Power
>government that extraterrestrial contact is real and happening, and
deserves
>serious study.
> Also, Whitley Strieber has just come out with a new book,
"Confirmation",
>which features an
>interview, in which Monsignor Balducci makes additional striking comments
>about
>the
>extraterrestrials as probably superior spiritual beings.
>
> -- Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
>
>
>
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[CTRL] ANALYSIS OF CLASH BETWEEN IMF AND WORLD BANK
-Caveat Lector- Institute for Public Accuracy (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 ___ Friday, December 4, 1998 ANALYSIS OF CLASH BETWEEN IMF AND WORLD BANK A new report by the World Bank is sparking controversy because of its criticism of the IMF's policies related to the Asian economic crisis. Among those available for comment are: ROBERT NAIMAN, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.preamble.org A research associate at the Preamble Center who specializes in assessing the impacts of economic globalization, Naiman said: "The good news is that the World Bank admits that punishingly high interest rates have destroyed these economies and that nations need controls on capital flows. The bad news is that it still funds IMF bailout packages that impose impossibly harsh austerity conditions on developing countries." CATHERINE CAUFIELD, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/briefs/vol3/v3n32wb.html The author of "Masters of Illusion: The World Bank and the Poverty of Nations," Caufield said: "It's outrageous that the World Bank should criticize the IMF and the U.S. without acknowledging that it pursued the same policy of deregulating financial markets that led to the present instability. The Bank has been trying to distance itself from the IMF, but the fact is that it has pursued the same flawed policies since the 1980s." JEFFREY WINTERS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Winters is a professor of political economy at Northwestern University who has written widely on Southeast Asia. "The World Bank's years of tolerating corruption contributed as much to the current Asian crisis as the more proximate policies of the IMF," said Winters, who is author of "Power in Motion: Capital Mobility and the Indonesian State." "Over the course of the Suharto regime, for example, the Bank loaned roughly $30 billion to Indonesia, knowing that roughly a third -- by the Bank's own admission -- was being systematically stolen." NJOKI NHOROGE NJEHU, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.50years.org Director of the 50 Years Is Enough Network, Njehu said: "People have been suffering from the IMF/World Bank policies for over 20 years, not just the last year in Asia. What is different is that some bankers and investors lost money this time -- though they benefitted from the bailouts, while poor and working people were excluded." CAROL WELCH, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.foe.org The international policy analyst for Friends of the Earth, Welch recently authored a paper titled "IMF and Good Governance." Welch comments: "It's refreshing to have the World Bank finally criticizing the austerity programs of the IMF The report demonstrates the need to rein in rampant speculative capital. They should have `speed bumps' for capital outflows." For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy: Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020, or David Zupan, (541) 484-9167. - DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: "New World Order's Control of Israel's Economy" (TiM GW Bulletin 98/12-2, 12/03/98)
-> SNETNEWS Mailing List FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please update your bookmarks and/or links with the new Truth in Media Web site: www.truthinmedia.org . Thank you. NOTE: To cancel the e-mail editions of our reports, just reply REMOVE or UNSUBSCRIBE, followed by your e-mail address. - Truth in Media's GLOBAL WATCH Bulletin 98/12-2 3-Dec-98 - Topic: MIDDLE EAST AFFAIRS --- NEW WORLD ORDER'S CONTROL OF ISRAEL'S ECONOMY By Barry Chamish JERUSALEM - The forces who wish to create a New World Order (NWO) based on a One World government, long ago realized that to destroy a nation's sovereignty, it was not enough to merely corrupt its diplomacy; they must also enjoy the overwhelming leverage that comes with controlling its economy. So, through the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF), they have planted compliant administrators throughout the governments of the world: in Israel their current agent is the Chairman of the Bank Of Israel, Yaacov Frenkel. Typically, the World Bank loans many billions of dollars at high interest rates to a Third World dictator to fund some hare-brained engineering scheme. Within a few years much of the money is in the tyrant's offshore bank accounts and the megalomaniacal engineering scheme is draining his country of all its resources. Unable to return the World Bank loan, the dictator's government turns to the IMF for a covering loan. The IMF agrees to indebt the country even more and keep it temporarily fed by demanding a series of "reforms" guaranteed to sink the people into pathetic misery. These "reforms" come in the form of making the economy more "efficient" by such measures as turning a working variable peasant-based agricultural economy into a one-crop producer, thus throwing most of the peasants out of work, enslaving the remainder on corporate plantations, and thoroughly wrecking the country when natural disaster or a drop in the commodities market strikes. By controlling the nation's economy, the NWO inherits control of its independent diplomacy. In Israel, in the early 1980s, the NWO retaliated against the honorable and independent Prime Minister, Menachem Begin by shooting the inflation rate up to 450%. The men who arranged this from within the government were Bank of Israel Chairman Michael Bruno and Finance Minister Yoram Aridor. Bruno justified a series of measures by Aridor guaranteed to cause instant inflation, including the sudden and unexpected lifting of most duties on imported goods. Both men were rewarded well for their treachery: Aridor, against all natural reason, was made Israel's United Nations ambassador and Bruno retired to the good life at the IMF. In 1991, the Shamir government was forced to appoint as Chairman of the Bank of Israel, Yaacov Frenkel, a World Bank executive based in Washington, who had not lived in the country since 1967. Once in his post, Frenkel wasted no time indebting Israel enormously by raising interest rates and encouraging the government to request $10 billion dollars in loans from American banks guaranteed by the Federal Reserve, nominally to be used to absorb a wave of Russian immigrants flooding the country. Economists later figured out that the loans were disastrous and would cost triple the principle before they were paid back. In 1996, Frenkel's first term ended and then-Prime Minister Shimon Peres was not inclined to offer him a second chance to run the nation's finances. He changed his mind quickly when a power-delegation from the World Economic Forum arrived from Switzerland and had a few convincing words with him. If Frenkel's NWO ties were ever in doubt, take a look at the biography of Frenkel which appeared in Haaretz Magazine of Nov. 27, 1998: · "During his third year at university, Frenkel went to work for the Histadrut." Israel's communist national Labor Union and the primary economic blackmail tool employed by the Labor Party. · "Tel Aviv University offered him a chance to earn a doctorate at the University of Chicago and then return to Israel to set up a School of Economics." My, wasn't that a big step forward, offering a whole school of economics to a Histadrut worker without even a PhD, let alone professorship? · "After Frenkel got his doctorate in 1970, Chicago offered him a spot as professor. In 1973, when David Rockefeller retired from Chase Manhattan, the bank decided to commemorate his life's work by endowing a professorship in international economics. A search committee set up by the bank chose the University of Chicago and Frenkel to set up the chair." How wonderful for Frenkel! Not three years at the U of C and David Rockefeller, chairman of the Council On Foreign Relations and possibly the top man in the NWO, chooses to employ Frenkel to run his new chair. ·
[CTRL] Apples and Oranges: REDEFINING Capitalism
-Caveat Lector- A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there is no more effective way to limit thought than to control the language itself. By changing definitions of words through continual association, any serious discussion involving the concepts that the words represents becomes hopelessly muddled. The words 'democracy', 'hate' and 'racism' immediately comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell Laissez faire capitalism means the complete separation of economy and state, just like the separation of church and state. Capitalism is the social system based upon private ownership of the means of production which entails a completely uncontrolled and unregulated economy where all land is privately owned. But the separation of the state and the economy is not a primary, it is only an aspect of the premise that capitalism is based upon: individual rights. Capitalism is the only politico-economic system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the rights of others. The essential nature of capitalism is social harmony through the pursuit of self-interest. Under capitalism, the individual's pursuit of his own economic self-interest simultaneously benefits the economic self-interests of all others. In allowing each individual to act unhampered by government regulations, capitalism causes wealth to be created in the most efficient manner possible which ultimately raises the standard of living, increases the economic opportunities, and makes available an ever growing supply of products for everyone. The free-market operates in such a way so that as one man creates more wealth for himself, he simultaneously creates more wealth for everyone, which means that as the rich become richer, the poor become richer too. It must be understood that capitalism serves the economic self-interests of all, including the non-capitalists. Contrary to widely held beliefs, capitalism is not a system which exploits a large portion of society for the sake of a small minority of wealthy capitalists. Ironically, it is actually socialism that causes the systematic exploitation of labor. Since the socialist state holds a universal monopoly on labor and production, no economic incentive exists for the socialist state to provide anything more than minimum physical subsistence for the workers except to perhaps prevent riots or revolutions. Exploitation is inherent to the nature of socialism because individuals cannot exist for their own sake, rather, they exist merely as means to whatever ends the socialist rulers -- the self-proclaimed spokesman of "society," may have in mind. Regard$, --MJ Capitalism undoubtedly has certain boils and blotches upon it, but has it as many as government? Has it as many as marriage? Has it as many as religion? I doubt it. It is the only basic institution of modern man that shows any genuine health and vigor. -- H. L. Menken Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -- Milton Friedman DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: CIA Obstructs Justice
Justice Department Investigates CIA WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Justice Department is conducting an obstruction-of- justice investigation of CIA officials who passed along to a satellite contractor sensitive information about a Senate investigation into technology transfers to China. Government officials reached late Friday said the criminal investigation centers on information passed by the intelligence agency to Hughes Electronics Corp., maker of both commercial and spy satellite systems. At issue is whether that information compromised a Senate Intelligence Committee investigation into allegations that Hughes and other U.S. companies violated federal export laws by sharing restricted technology with China as part of commercial satellite export deals. There is no dispute that the CIA passed information on to Hughes -- the CIA has acknowledged as much to both the Senate committee and the Justice Department. The question being examined by the department is whether the CIA broke the law in doing so. ``The CIA is cooperating fully with the investigation,'' said an agency spokesman. The probe was first reported in today's editions of The Washington Post. U.S. officials familiar with the investigation said it focused on two incidents in which information connected with the Senate investigation was passed by CIA officials to counterparts at Hughes. The CIA told Hughes officials that one of the agency's analysts, Ronald Pandolfi, had told Senate investigators that he had concluded as early as 1995 that Hughes had become too aggressive in marketing technology to China. CIA officials also advised Hughes that some company officials might be called before the Senate panel. The agency further sought to make available to Senate investigators the names of Hughes executives who were familiar with the technology transfers to China and could give their version of the disagreements with Pandolfi. When the CIA informed the panel it had told Hughes that company officials might have to testify, committee staffers and some senators were furious, according to officials familiar with the case. Several CIA officials, including general counsel Robert McNamara, are scheduled to testify before a federal grand jury investigating the CIA's role in the Hughes case. The potential case against the CIA appears to boil down to one of interpretation. Some on the intelligence committee argue that the CIA may have obstructed justice by revealing to Hughes information about the committee investigation. The CIA, according to U.S. officials familiar with the case, argues that the information passed on to Hughes was shared in the normal course of business and that the committee was informed of the information sharing. ``At worst, this could be viewed as a miscommunication among government agencies,'' said one U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity. Several investigations -- both by the Justice Department and Congress -- have focused on concerns that China received valuable information useful in improving ballistic missiles from U.S. contractors who were ostensibly working with China on commercial satellite projects.
[CTRL] Protest vs China's capitalism
-Caveat Lector- /* Written 8:29 PM Nov 15, 1998 by peg:greenleft in igc:greenleft.news */ Title: Protests surge against China's capitalism By Eva Cheng Despite Beijing's repressive rule, pockets of small protests persist across China. In recent years, the number of such protests have risen sharply in reaction to mass sackings, rampant corruption by Chinese Communist Party officials and other ills associated with the Beijing bureaucracy's push to restore capitalism in China. On November 11, 200 demonstrators attempted to march to Tiananmen Square in Beijing in protest against the loss of their ``investments'' in the Beijing-based Xin Guo Da Futures Company. Thousands of workers invested their life savings in Xin Guo Da, which offered lucrative interest payments of up to 30% per month. For many, the risks seemed to have been mitigated by the firm's perceived backing by the People's Liberation Army. It was state-owned until January. The police stopped the protesters from reaching the square, but the demonstrators quickly marched to the nearby office of the official news agency Xinhua to protest against its ``unfair'' reporting against them. Police videotaped the protesters and several foreign journalists were arrested for covering the event. They were later released. The workers demanded compensation from the government for allowing a phoney firm like Xin Guo Da to take investments from the general population. A number of small investors in Xin Guo Da have been protesting almost daily since the firm went bust in August. The exact losses of these investors are unclear. Xinhua reported that the firm had attracted a total investment of 532 million yuan (US$58 million), while only 15 million yuan in cash has been recovered. In Luoyang, Henan province, 200 workers employed by a state-owned cement factory staged a protest outside a city government office for five days until November 6 in a desperate attempt to stop the government privatising their factory. The workers have little doubt that the privatisation would put their jobs and pension at grave risk. The protesters suspended their action after officials pledged to ``look into'' their concerns. In Beijing on November 3, 30 workers recently sacked by a state-owned hotel near Tiananmen Square and the central government offices staged a sit-down protest. ``I came [to the protest] to defend my means of livelihood'', said one of the laid-off workers, a 40-year-old caretaker who has worked for the hotel for 20 years. ``This is too unfair. We want to reclaim our lives - to have a wage and medical care'', he said. In the Xinglong district, Sichuan province, on October 21, dozens of farmers from the Si'er village stormed the local government offices and demanded the release of four representatives who had been detained by police. The four had just returned from Beijing where they delivered a protest letter to the central government against crushing taxes levied by the local authorities on farmers. China Rights Observer newsletter reported that a local official died from a fall while trying to run away from the protesters. Local officials refused to confirm the report, except for admitting there had been ``serious political incidents'' lately. About 50 ``temporarily redundant'' workers of Wuhan's Heavy Machineries Plant protested outside their factory on October 9, after failing to receive their maintenance pay for months. On October 12, some 300 workers from several factories in Shi Yan city of Hubei blocked a main road to demand official compensation for the loss of their ``investments'' in a collective enterprise called Golden Bull, which is majority-owned by the local government but went bust recently. Offering high interest, Golden Bull had been actively soliciting investments from workers of key local factories since 1993 and about 600 put in their money, including life savings in some cases. On October 14, more than 200 workers of Wuhan's Integrated Manufacturing Plant, who were earlier put onto ``temporary'' redundancy on partial pay, had their maintenance payments halved to 100 yuan (US$11) a month - hardly enough to cover even essentials for an individual, let alone a family. With banners reading, ``We need to fill our stomachs'', the workers staged a sit-down protest on a main road. In September, more than 1000 workers of the Hunan Television Plant in Changsha, Hunan province, blocked the traffic of a main road to demand the payment of three months of unpaid wages. They demanded punishment of their factory officials whom they accused of corruption. First posted on the Pegasus conference greenleft.news by Green Left Weekly. Correspondence and hard copy subsciption inquiries: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, mis
[CTRL] [24e] George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography / The New World Order
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush24.htm http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush24.htm">Bush book: Chapter -24- --[24e]-- The United Nations Security Council resolution, with its approaching artificial deadline which Bush had demanded, plus the failure of the Baker-Tariq Aziz meeting, on January 9 became the tools of the White House in obtaining a Congressional resolution for war. Bush was careful to stress his view that he could wage war without the Congress, but that he was magnanimously letting them express their support for him by approving such a motion. On this same day, the Kremlin despatched troop contingents to seven Soviet republics where nationalist movements were gaining ground. The Congressional debate provided many eloquent pleas, generally from Democrats, for delaying military action in order to save Americans from useless slaughter. But these pleas were almost always vitiated by a failure to recognize the equal claim to humanity of the Iraqi population; the Democrats who urged continued reliance on sanctions were in effect calling for an equal or greater genocide prolonged over time. One exception was Senator Mark Hatfield of Oregon, who voted against the Bush war resolution and the Democrats' sanctions resolution on the grounds that he opposed the entire military deployment in the Middle East; Hatfield argued for a peaceful settlement using diplomacy alone. This Republican defection in the name of high principle may have attracted the darts of Bush's vindictiveness; in May a report on Hatfield's personal finances appearing in the Capitol Hill weekly Roll Call alleged that a former Congressman and a California businessman had forgiven $133,000 in loans to Hatfield over an 8-year period. This information was somehow leaked from Senate records. [fn 74] The obvious intent of this story was to make it look as if the loan forgiveness had been used to buy influence. Hatfield's actions were not in violation of senate rules at the time these loans were forgiven. Bush's war resolution passed the Senate by the narrow margin of 52-47; Sen. Cranston, who was absent because of illness, would have come to the senate and voted against the war if this would have changed the outcome. This vote reflects a deep ambivalence in the ruling elite about Bush's bellicose line, which was not as popular in US ruling circles as it was in London. Bush's margin of victory was provided by a group of southern Bush Democrats (Gore, Graham, Breaux, Robb, Shelby). In the House, a similar Bush war resolution passed by 250 to 183. Many Congressmen from blue-collar districts being pounded by the economic depression reflected the disillusionment of their constituents by voting against Bush and the war. But the resistance was not enough. Despite the extremely narrow mandate he had extorted from the Congress, Bush now appeared in a gloating press conference: he had his blank check for war and genocide. Now Bush was careful to create pretexts for attacking Iraq, even if Saddam were to order his forces out of Kuwait. Bush noted that "it would be, at this date, I would say impossible to comply fully with the United Nations resolutions," and he "would still worry about it, because it might not be in full compliance." [fn 75] UN resolution 242, calling for Israel to withdraw from the territories occupied in the 1967 war, had been flouted for almost a quarter century, and the nation of Lebanon had just been snuffed out by Bush's friend Assad, but all of this paled into total irrelevance in comparison to the need to destroy Iraq. The mad dog of war was now unleashed on the world. Later, in early June, Bush would edify the Southern Baptist Convention with a tearful and convulsive account of his long night in Camp David as he prepared to give the order to attack. Bush's story, quite fantastic for a chief executive who had pursued his "splendid little war" with monomaniac fury since August 3, is a reflection of the Goebbels-like cynicism of the White House wordsmiths and propaganda technicians to whom it may be safely attributed. "For me, prayer has always been important but quite personal," Bush told the Baptists. "You know us Episcopalians." And, like a lot of people, I have worried a little but about shedding tears in public, or the mention of it. But as Barbara and I prayed at Camp David before the air war began, we were thinking about those young men and women overseas. And the tears started down the cheeks, and our minister smiled back, and I no longer worried how it looked to others. [fn 76] In delivering this fanciful account, Bush broke into tears once again, a behavior which showed more about his unresolved, and by that time public, thryoid difficulties, than it did about his qualms in waging war. An interesting question involves the identity of the minister mentioned by Bush. In order to drape his genocidal war policy with the mantle of Christian morality, Bush was at pains to keep pastors and clerics
[CTRL] [24d] George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography / The New World Order
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush24.htm http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush24.htm">Bush book: Chapter -24- --[24d]-- The following week was a time of great political hemorraging for George Bush. His problems grew out of a clumsy series of trial baloons he floated about what kind of tax package he would accept. By one count, he changed his mind five times in three days. First came the government itself. Any president, and especially an apparatchik like Bush, has a healthy respect for what the Washington bureaucracy might do to him if it, like the mercenaries Machiavelli warned about, were not paid. Bush accordingly relented and signed a short-term continuing resolution to keep the paychecks flowing and the bureaucracy open. Now Congressmen of both parties began to offer amendments on the $22 billion tax bill that was at the heart of the new austerity package. First Bush indicated that he would accept an increase in income tax rates for the most wealthy in exchange for a cut in the capital gains tax. Then he indicated that he would not. In a press conference, he said such a deal would be "fine." Then a group of Republican Congressmen visited him to urge him to drop the idea of any such deal; they came out declaring that Bush was now in agreement with them. But then Bush drifted back towards the tradeoff. Richard Darman, one of Bush's budget enforcers, was asked what Bush thought about the tax rates trade off. "I have no idea what White House statement was issued," said the top number cruncher, "but I stand behind it 100%." By the weekend of October 13-14, there were at least three draft tax bills in circulation. Even hard-core Bushmen were unable to tell the legislators what the president wanted, and what he would veto. The most degraded and revealing moment came when Bush was out jogging, and reporters asked him about his position on taxes. "Read my hips!," shouted Bush, pointing towards his posterior with both hands. It was not clear who had scripted that one, but the message was clear: the American people were invited to kiss Bush's ass. It was one of the most astounding gestures by a president in modern times, and posed the inevitable question: had Bush gone totally psychotic? "The public is not laughing," commented a White House official. Newsday, the New York tabloid, went with the headline READ MY FLIPS. The New York Times revived the label that Bush resented most: for the newspaper of record, Bush was "a political wimp." A senior GOP political consultant noted that "the difference is that Reagan had principles and beliefs. This guy has no rudder." In the opinion of Newsweek, "Bush took no stand on principle and didn't seem to know what he wantedHe made incomprehensible jokes. He was strangely eager to please even those who were fighting him, and powerless to punish defectors. As in the bad old days, he looked goofy." [fn 52] The haggling went on into the third week of October, and then into the fourth. Would it last to Halloween, to permit a macabre night of the living dead on the Capitol? Newt Gingrich told David Brinkley on "This Week" of October 21 that most House Republicans were prepared to vote against any plan to increase taxes, totally disregarding the wishes of Bush. Senator Danforth of Missouri complained, "I am concerned and a lot of Republicans are concerned that this is becoming a political rout." At this point the Democrats wanted to place a 1% surtax on all income over 41 million, while the GOP favored reducing the deductions for the rich. In yet another flip-flop, Bush had conceded on October 20 that he would accept an increase in the top income tax rate from 28% to 31%. By October 24, a deal was finally reached which could be passed, and the next day Bush attempted to put the best possible face on things by assembling the bruised and bleeding Republican Congressional leadership, including the renegade Gingrich, for another Rose Garden ceremony. The final budget plan set the top income tax rate at 31%, and increased taxes on gasoline, cigarettes, airline tickets, increased Medicare payroll taxes and premiums, while cutting Medicare benefit payouts and government payments to farmers. Another part of the package replaced the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings once a year sequester threat with a "triple, rolling sequester" with rigid spending caps for each of the three categories of defense, foreign aid, and discretionary domestic spending, and no transfers permitted among these. The entire apparatus will require super-majorities of 60 votes to change in the future. Naturally, this package was of no use whatever in deficit reduction, given the existence of an accelerating economic depression. In Bush's famous New World Order speech on September 11, he had frightened the Congress with the prospect of a deficit of $232 billion. In October of 1991, it was announced that the deficit for the fiscal year ending September 31, 1991, the one that was supposed to show improvem
[CTRL] [24b] George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography / The New World Order
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush24.htm http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush24.htm">Bush book: Chapter -24- --[24b]-- It was also in the early summer of 1990 that it gradually dawned on many taxpayers that, according to the terms of the Savings & Loan bailout championed by Bush during the first weeks of his regime, they would be left holding the bag to the tune of at least $500 billion. Their future was now weighted with the crushing burden of a defacto second mortgage, in addition to the astronomical national debt that Reagan and Bush had rolled up. This unhappy consciousness was compounded by the personal carnage of the continuing economic contraction, which had been accelerated by the shocks of September-October, 1989. An ugly mood was abroad, with angry people seeking a point of cathexis. They found it in Neil Bush, the president's marplot cadet son, the one we saw explaining his March 31, 1981 dinner engagement with Scott Hinckley. As even little children now know, Neil Bush was a member of the board of directors of Silverado Savings and Loan of Denver, Colorado, which went bankrupt and had to be seized by federal regulators during 1988. Preliminary estimates of the costs to the taxpayers were on the order of $1.6 billion, but this was sure to go higher. The picture was complicated by the fact that Neil Bush had received a $100,000 personal loan (never repayed, and formally forgiven) and a $1.25 million line of credit from two local land speculators, Kenneth Good and William Walters, both also prominent money-bags for the Republican Party. In r eturn for the favors he had received, Neil Bush certainly did nothing to prevent Silverado from lending $35 million to Good for a real estate speculation that soon went into default. Walters received $200 million in loans from Silverado, which were never called in. This was a prima facie case of violation of the conflict of interest regulations. But instead of keeping quiet, Neil Bush showed that the family tradition of self-righteous posturing even when caught with both hands in the cookie jar was well represented by him: he launched an aggressive campaign of proclaiming his own innoncence; it was all political, thought Neil, and all because people wanted to get at his august father through him. Sleazy Neil Bush's pontificating did not play well; Neil sounded "arrogant and flip" and the result, as People magazine commented at the end of the year, was "a public relations fiasco." Posters went up in Washington emblazoned with the call to "Jail Neil Bush," while out in Denver, the Colorado Taxpayers for Justice marched outside Neil's downtown office (where Neil had answered questions about his ties to the Hinckley family in on March 31, 1981) carrying placards and chanting "Yes, Neil, it's wrong to steal!" and "Give it back, Neil!" [fn 19] Neil was looking forward to public hearings organized by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation to probe his malfeasance; there was talk of a criminal indictment, but this eventually dwindled into a $200 million civil suit brought against Neil and 10 other former Silverado officials for "gross negligence" in their running of the affairs of the bank. Bush's immediate reaction to the dense clouds gathering over Neil's head was to step up a scandal he saw as a counterweight: this was the "Keating Five" or "Lincoln Brigade" affair, which hit Senate Democrats Cranston, Riegle, Glenn, and DeConcini, plus Republican McCain. Some S&L loans showed "excesses," Bush was now ready to concede, and some were "foolish and ill-advised." But, he quickly stipulated: "I don't want to argue in favor of re-regulating the industry." And Bush was also on the defensive because, while he mandated $500 billion for the S&Ls, he wanted to veto a measure providing for unpaid parental leave for working mothers, despite a campaign promise that "we need to assure that women don't have to worry about getting their jobs back after having a child or caring for a child during serious illness." Bush now specified that he was not endorsing "mandated benefits" from government, but was just supporting collective bargaining to allow such leave. What to do if employers refused to grant leave? "You've got to keep working for them until they do," answered Bush with the ancien regime "let 'em eat cake" logic of a Marie Antoinette. [fn 20] At a press conference in mid-July, Bush was asked if he agreed with son Neil's self-defense campaign, which was premissed on the idea that the attack was a purely political smear, all because the poor boy's name happened to be Bush. The issue was focussing public attention on all the inherent rapacity of the predatory Bush family. George launched into an enraged, self-righteous monologue: I agree that the president ought to stay out of it, and that the system ought to work. And I have great confidence in the integrity and honor of my son. And beyond that, I'm -- say no more. And if he's done something wron
[CTRL] [24c] George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography / The New World Order
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush24.htm http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush24.htm">Bush book: Chapter -24- --[24c]-- On Saturday morning, August 4, Bush met with his entourage in Camp David, present Quayle, Cheney, Sununu, William Webster, Wolfowitz, Baker, Scowcroft, Powell, Schwarzkopf, Fitzwater, and Richard Haas of the NSC staff. Military advisers, especially Colin Powell, appear to have directed Bush's attention to the many problems associated with military intervention. According to one version, Gen. Schwarzkopf estimated that it would take 17 weeks to move a defensive, deterrent force of 250,000 troops into the region, and between 8 and 12 months to assemble a ground force capable of driving the Iraqi army out of Kuwait. For the duration of the crisis, the Army would remain the most reluctant, while the Air Force, including Scowcroft, would be the most eager to open hostilities. Bush sensed that he had to stress the defense of Saudi Arabia to keep all of his bureaucratic players on board, and to garner enough public support to carry out the first phase of the buildup. Then, perhaps three months down the line, preferably after the November elections, he could unveil the full offensive buildup that would carry him into war with Iraq. "That's why our defense of Saudi Arabia has to be our focus," Bush is reported to have said at this meeting. This remark was calculated to cater to the views of Gen. Powell, who was thinking primarily in these defensive terms. [fn 38] When the larger NSC meeting dispersed, Bush met with a more restricted group including Quayle, Sununu, Baker, Scowcroft, Cheney, Powell, and Webster. This session was dominated by the fear that the Saudi Arabian monarchy, which would have to be coerced into agreeement with plans for a US military buildup on its territory, would prefer a compromise solution negotiated among the Arabs to the Anglo-Saxon war hysteria. The Saudis were not all as staunch as the American agent Prince Bandar; the presence of large contingents of infidel ground troops, including Jews and women, would create such friction with Saudi society as to pose an insoluble political problem. There was great racist vituperation of the Arabs in general: they could not be trusted, they were easy to blackmail. This meeting produced a decision that Bush would call Saudi King Fahd and demand that he accept a large US ground force contingent in addition to aircraft. As Bush feared, Fahd was inclined to reject the US ground forces. There was a report that Iraq had announced that its forces would leave Kuwait on Sunday, and Fahd wanted to see if that happened. Fahd had not yet been won over to the doctrine of war at any cost. Through an intrigue of Prince Bandar, who knew that this difficulty might arise, King Fahd was prevailed upon to receive a US "briefing team" to illustrate the threat to him and demand that he approve the US buildup on his territory. Fahd thought that all he was getting were a few briefing officers. But Bush saw this as a wedge for greater things. "I want to do this. I want to do it big time," Bush told Scowcroft. [fn 39] By now Bush had launched into his "speed-dialing" mode, calling heads of state and government one after the other, organizing for an economic embargo and a military confrontation with Iraq. One important call was to Sheikh Jabir al Ahmed al Sabah, the degenerate Emir of Kuwait, representative of a family who had been British assets since 1899 and Bush's business partners since the days of Zapata Offshore in the late 1950's. Other calls went to Turgut Oezal of Turkey, whom Bush pressed to cut off Iraq's use of oil pipelines across his territory. Another call went to Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney, who was also in deep domestic political trouble, and who was inclined to join the Anglo-Saxon mobilization. During the course of Saturday, White House officials began to spread a deception story that Bush had been "surprised by the invasion this week and largely unprepared to respond quickly," as the next day's New York Times alleged. At 8 AM on Sunday morning, there was another meeting of the NSC at Camp David with Bush, Baker, Cheney, Scowcroft, Powell and various aides. This time the talk was almost exclusively devoted to military options. Bush designated Cheney for the Saudi mission, and Cheney left Washington for Saudi Arabia in the middle of Sunday afternoon. Bush now boarded a helicopter for the flight from Camp David back to the White House south lawn. Up to this point, Bush was firmly committed to war in his own mind, and had been acting on that decision in his secret councils of regime, but he had carefully avoided making that decision clear in public. We are now approaching the moment when he would do so. Let us contemplate George Bush's state of mind as he rode in his helicopter from Camp David towards Washington on that early August Sunday afternoon. According to one published account, Bush was "in a mood t
[CTRL] [24a] George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography / The New World Order
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush24.htm http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush24.htm">Bush book: Chapter -24- --[24a]-- George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin Chapter -XXIV- The New World Order Roma caput mundi regit orbis frena rotundi (Rome, the chief of the world, hold the reins of this round orb.) Inscription on the imperial crown of Diocletian. During late 1989 and 1990, George Bush traversed a decisive watershed in his political career and in his own personal mental life. Up until this transition, Bush had attempted to secure advancement through an attitude of deference and propitiation, currying favor with a series of politicians and power brokers whom he despised as his social inferiors, and whom he never hesitated to stab in the back once he got the chance to do so. This was the old duplicitious "have half" persona of his early childhood. During the long years of Bush's quest for the vice presidency, and during the eight long years of his tenure in that office, the public face of Bush was that of dog-like fidelity and Reaganite orthodoxy. During these years Bush exhibited the same relative cognitive impairment which he had exhibited since his Andover days. On the surface, he was a top-level bureuacratic functionary of the US police state, sharing the moral insanity of the policy committments of the government apparatus which he represented. Severe and debilitating mental strains had been evident in Bush's personality from his earliest years. Such tensions were an inevitable result of the inhuman self-discipline demanded by his mother, Dorothy Walker Bush, whose regimen combined the most ruthless pursuit of personal affirmation for its own sake, with the imperative that all this single-minded striving be dissembled behind the elaborate pose of fairness and concern for the rights of others. During 1989 and 1990, the tensions converging on Bush's personal psychological structures were greatly magnified not just by the Panama adventure and the Gulf war, but also by the crisis of the Anglo-American financial interests, by the threat posed to Anglo-American plans by German reunification, by the thorny problems of preparing his own re-election, and by the foundering of his condominium partners in the Kremlin. As a result of this surfeit of tensions, Bush's personality entered into a process of disintegration. The whining accents of the wimp, so familiar to Bush-watchers of years past, were now increasingly supplanted by the hiss of frenetic spleen. The successor personality which emerged from this upheaval differed in several important respects from the George Bush who had sought and occupied the vice-presidency. The George Bush who emerged in late 1990 after the dust had settled was far less restrained than the man who had languished in Reagan's shadow. The hyperthyroid "presidential" persona of Bush was equipped with little self-control, and rather featured a series of compulsive, quasi-psychotic episodes exhibited in the public glare of the television lights. These were typically rage-induced outbursts of verbal abuse and threats made in the context of international crises, first against Noriega and later against Iraqi president Saddam Hussein. Some might argue that the public rage fits that became increasingly frequent during 1989-90 were calculated and scripted performances, calibrated and staged according to the methods of mind war for the express purpose of intimidating foreign adversaries and, not least of all, the American population itself. Bush's apprenticeship with Kissinger would have taught him the techniques we have seen Kissinger employ in his secret communications with Moscow during the Indo-Pakistani war of 1970: Kissinger makes clear that an integral part of his crisis management style is the studied attempt to convince his adversary that the latter is dealing with a madman who will not shun any expedient, no matter how irrational, in order to prevail. But with the Bush of 1990 we are far beyond such calculating histrionics. There were still traces of method in George Bush's madness, but the central factor was now the madness itself. The thesis of this chapter is that while it is clear that the Gulf war was a deliberate and calculated provocation by the Anglo-American oligarchical and financier elite, the mental instability and psychological disintegration of George Bush was an indispensable ingredient in implementing the actions which the oligarchs and bankers desired. Without a George Bush who was increasingly non compos mentis, the imperialist grand design for the destruction of the leading Arab state and the intimidation of the third world might have remained on the shelf. Especially since the Bay of Pigs and the Vietnam debacle, American presidents have seen excellent reasons to mistrust their advisers when the latter came bearing p
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-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 12/2/98 11:45:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > And I've been simply deleting jana whoever, thinking that after all > > the Nazi brouhaha, she was simply a bore. > > > > It does not seem to have occurred to Nurev, SnowOwl and some others that Jana > is very simply sick and badly in need of therapy. Are you kidding? There isn't one reply where I haven't clearly stated that this is one crazy kumquat. What does it take? Do you people need her to dribble on your shoes? > She deserves our sympathy > for her condition. She doesn't deserve sympathy. She deserves heavy doses of Thorazine. > What appalls me is that several list members who do not seem to be crazy have > blandly responded in a spirit of academic inquiry, as in "Gee, is that true? > Why do the Jews do these terrible thing?" What i wonder is whether these > folks are simply naive and bewildered, deliberately egging Jana on while > secretly enjoying the sewage, or if they are basically nazis attempting to > give these wacko charges an air of reasonableness. > Jerry Harp > People believe what they WANT to believe. Joshua2 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
