[CTRL] I support your right to hate. WAS: Big news, Clinton and hate crimes
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/6/99 3:58:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, April 6) -- President Bill Clinton urged Congress Tuesday morning to expand the list of hate crimes covered under federal law to include cases involving sexual orientation. "The Hate Crimes Prevention Act would be important substantively and symbolically to send a message to ourselves and to the world that we are going into the 21st century determined to preach and to practice what is right," Clinton said during a Roosevelt Room ceremony. Well, here is the deal, and a lot of you may not like this but I support your right to hate. That's right I think it is covered under the constitutional right to personal privacy and security in your person and property. You have the right to hate me, because I'm ugly, slow, of a different race, rich, poor, stupid, moronic, a genius, fat, lazy, homosexual, heterosexual, indifferent, passionate, arty, chintzy, cheap, generous, liberal, conservative, skinny, too loud, too quiet, aloof, arrogant, and any other reason. Additionally you have the right to think these things of me any time you wish and with my complete support. The problem with all of this, to me, is that it imposes upon you to change your mindset and your belief system. It would be the same as the government telling you you had to be a certain religion or that you had to act a certain way, even if it is contrary to your belief system. That is mind control and it should not be anything that we are forced to deal with. We have enough artificial control in our lives now we don't need more. I think you have a right to be bigoted, hateful, and racist. You have a right to be secure in your thoughts. While I do support your right to hate, I also support people rights. Which is to say while you can hate, if you ACT on that hate then I have a problem with it. We are guilty when we COMMIT acts against people not when we think them, otherwise we would all be guilty of murder at one time or another because we have all thought about killing that really annoying person at least once. You have a right to be secure in your person from physical harm, violence, rape, theft, and discrimination. So hate all you want, more power to you, but just don't act on it or face all the power of the state to punish you for your actions. Should you suffer more because the crime was committed because of hate or bias? NO. The end result is the same, an injury has been done, the motive is not important the crime is. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: 04.04.99 RMNews--Europol Operative Predicts Three Year War, Dragons and ...
I don't know if this made it to the list yet, if so forgive the extra copy, if not, enjoy! Teo1000 The following two articles were first published by RMNews in 1996. They are being republished because the information will help you understand what is going on in Yugoslavia. First Article: A Europol Operative Predicts a Three Year War Second Article: Aliens Are Being Settled in the former Yugoslavia Both these articles are republished from 1996 issues of Rumor Mill News We are republishing them because they have timely Information about what is really going on in Yugoslavia! In October of 1996, RMNews published a letter from a Europol intelligence officer. In the letter he predicted a three year war. I have republished his letter. His insight and information will amaze you. Many of you will see things in his letter that have already happened. Others will have the uncanny sense that he has predicted our future. This man is one with whom I had long conversations while I was in Austria. He was the first person who told me about the Templar Charter, and later he saw to it that I received a word for word copy of the charter. I included a portion of the Templar Charter in my last article, "Kosovo, the Truth Behind the Headlines". The author of this letter is a member of the Austro- Hungarian royal families, he is a Knights Templars, and he is also a member of Faction Two. Yes, Faction 2 is world wide, not just in the United States. The man who wrote this article is very well informed about the Federal Reserve Banking system. He also understands the philosophy and morality behind the New World Order. Like most Continental European royals, he blames the international bankers who created the Federal Reserve, and who are behind the New World Order, for destroying his world. My European Source was introduced to me by Navy Intelligence officers that I have known for years. At one point he revealed more than I think he intended. He was talking about the United States and the Federal Reserve Banking system. He called the Fed a "fat, over bloated tick that sucks the life blood out of America." He then expounded on how foolish Americans were not to rise up and demand that the Fed be abolished. At the end of his little speech on the Fed, he slipped and revealed more than he had intended. He boasted, "We have plans that will kill your well Fed tick, but sometimes when you kill a parasite, you come close to killing its host!" When you read his letter, be sure to read between the lines. He quickly slides over some points to which we need to pay attention, such as the concentration camps. Sometimes it is the things he doesn't say that ring the loudest. He never mentions a time of unrest or riots, and yet he mentions a new strong police force to deal with "home grown terrorists". He never mentions any problems with South America, and yet he states that we will have the military policing our borders to protect from the flood of illegal aliens, from South America. I am sure you will find many things that you wish he had expounded on. This Source has provided no information to RMNews since December of 1996. Maybe he will see his letter and start sending us information once again. * * * Letter From Our European FanOctober 15, 1996 Dear Ru, Our faith in the dollar has been rocked to no end. At this time, the dollar is not indexed and fluctuates severely against our Euro-currencies. The reason the market has risen, (or been allowed to rise to such heights) is because the full scale operation to get the new issues, and upstarts out of the market, has only been plus or minus 10% implemented. Operation Sledgehammer, along with less drastic means will drop the market-- when the operation goes on line by well over 3,000 points. These new companies need to be removed as they don't have the financial reserves to make it through any recession no mater how mild. The money will have to be devalued. That means literally, that the dollar will be worth far less than its present value on overseas markets. It wouldn't be so bad, if the U.S. had a more open and far less saturated market. That way you could continue holding the dollar, at present value (28). As your own market is saturated, and you can't sell your own products at home, you'll try for Europe or the Far East. For them, however, the dollar will not be worth nearly what it is worth at home. The end effect is that your products will be far too expensive for export. You can't import, because of the expense of European goods. Therefore, the economy will turn inward and you'll have to eat your own production. That's when recession hits. You don't need the products you manufacture, and will have to get rid of them for whatever you can get. This move
[CTRL] Fwd: The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #85
For those opposed to the so-called war on drugs. Teo1000 The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #85 -- April 2, 1999 A Publication of the Drug Reform Coordination Network PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE (To sign off this list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line "signoff drc-natl" in the body of the message, or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. To subscribe to this list, visit http://www.drcnet.org/signup.html.) This issue can be also be read on our web site at http://www.drcnet.org/wol/085.html. Check out the DRCNN weekly radio segment at http://www.drcnet.org/drcnn/. TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. Portland, Oregon Police Called to Account for Surveillance Operation http://www.drcnet.org/wol/085.html#portland 2. Two New Polls Show Strong Public Support for Drug Policy Reform http://www.drcnet.org/wol/085.html#polls 3. Courts Place Limits on Drug Testing in Workplace, Schools http://www.drcnet.org/wol/085.html#limits 4. Hash Bash Draws Ire of State Lawmakers http://www.drcnet.org/wol/085.html#hashbash 5. California Democrats Give Nod to Industrial Hemp http://www.drcnet.org/wol/085.html#demshemp 6. Government Reports: Prison, Drug Use Trends http://www.drcnet.org/wol/085.html#reports 7. ACLU: Financial Privacy Update http://www.drcnet.org/wol/085.html#privacy 8. EDITORIAL: Funding The Unknown Soldier http://www.drcnet.org/wol/085.html#editorial 1. Portland, Oregon Police Called to Account for Surveillance Operation A county circuit judge in Portland, Oregon, has ordered the city police bureau's Marijuana Task Force to release details of a secret "trap and trace" telephone surveillance operation they have reportedly maintained on American Agriculture, a local indoor gardening supply store, for at least the past three years. The task force, apparently, traced the numbers of every caller to the store, and used that information to target private homes for searches for evidence of marijuana cultivation. Trap and trace procedures do not record conversations like a wiretap, but only trace callers' phone numbers. Still, their use by law enforcement is regulated and limited to certain circumstances. In Oregon, police are required to have a court order allowing them to collect the numbers from the local phone company, and the trap and trace is supposed to be used only for thirty to sixty days in order to monitor a specific suspect. But several months ago, a defendant in a marijuana cultivation case became suspicious of what had led police to his door. According to court documents, Jeffrey Hauser of Bend, Oregon, called an officer on the Portland task force, pretending to be a Bend policeman. In the conversation that followed, the Portland officer revealed that since 1995, the task force had made weekly downloads of the phone numbers of all callers to American Agriculture. Using a reverse-lookup service to find the callers' names and addresses, the task force then ran the information through the local electric company, profiling those customers who used too much -- or even too little -- electricity. Now, a group of defense attorneys and their clients are questioning the legality of the task force's use of the trap and trace, and hoping that the judge's order will shed more light on the special unit's practices. "It's our theory that the trap and trace is like pulling on the string that unravels the whole sweater," defense attorney Bob Theummel told The Week Online. "It's the beginning of a process that results in a whole lot of marijuana busts." Theummel said he suspects that the trap and trace is behind the task force's great success with knock-and-talk busts, wherein the police come to people's doors without a warrant and attempt to talk their way inside. Once the resident has consented to this, it becomes nearly impossible to have any evidence the police find suppressed in court. The four member task force boasts a 50% arrest rate in as many as 2,000 knock-and-talk operations over the seven years since its inception. But attorney Michelle Burrows, who is also representing a client in the trap and trace case, said that at least one member of the task force has resorted to strong-arm tactics when he is denied entry to a home. She said, "Brian [Schmautz] claims that whenever he has smelled marijuana at someone's door, he has found it. In Oregon, it's not enough to have high electricity bills to get in the door, but once they have the smell, they can get a warrant. Well, when people would say 'go away,' he would say 'okay, fine, here's my business card' or would reach out to shake the person's hand. And then -- he's said this in affidavits, in the police reports -- he arrests the person's hand. And then we found out that in several cases, they don't even arrest the hand. They will actually pull the person out of the house and then arrest them on the porch." Burrows said that one motivating
Re: [CTRL] I support your right to hate. WAS: Big news, Clinton ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-04-06 23:19:19 EDT, you write: So hate all you want, more power to you, but just don't act on it or face all the power of the state to punish you for your actions. Should you suffer more because the crime was committed because of hate or bias? NO. The end result is the same, an injury has been done, the motive is not important the crime is. I feel the same as you. I do know that a hate crimes bill would make a crime out of some things that were before just indecent acts. That's my understanding, anyway. We were entering an amusement park in Missouri. A group of white teens and an adult were crossing our paths. One of the teens took his cup of water and flung it in the face of a young black boy sitting alone on a bench. I was stunned for a time -- I simply couldn't grasp what I'd just seen. Then I hollered to the teen, "What did you just do? You come back here. You come back here and apologize!" He kept walking. The adult looked over his shoulder and said "It's no big deal. He was just cooling the boy off." It was fucking disgusting My companions stayed with the boy while I went to report the incident. The police took it quite seriously, and I was surprised. They explained that it fell into the "hate crimes" category. The white group got away. What a bad day it must have been for that little boy. He endured the cold water without even flinching. He was alone on the bench because his mom was punishing him. His whole family had gone to the car for lunch and left him behind, alone, in the sun, in 110 degree heat. When the cops located his mom, apparently she wasn't very sympathetic. Poor kid. Anyway, I was glad for the hate crimes classification that day. And that's about all I know about it. Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Balkan Stew
-Caveat Lector- The hypothetical situation could play out as follows: Bulgaria would come to the rescue of the Bulgar minority in Macedonia, confronting the Greek push. At that point, Turkey could not stand aside because the Turkish armed forces, struggling to fend off Islamic fundamentalism, would have to back Bulgaria and Albania, officially secular but historically Muslim countries. The crisis between Greece and Turkey would wedge apart the alliance's southern flank, weakening NATO's ability to project stability into the eastern Mediterranean and protect Western interests. And World War ONE all over again. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [4b] FINAL WARNING: A HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER
-Caveat Lector- This report states John F. Kennedy was a member of the CFR he was not, and Ronald Reagan was not.what did these two men have in commonthey were both gunned down in the "open sight of others", according to biblical ritual murder, at high twelve It is odd though, as important as Kissinger seemed to be to Nixon, that he alone escaped the wrath of the Watergate revenge. I always thought it rather humorous - once I said, you know, if I could find out who owns the Watergate Motel and named it, I will tell you who set up Nixon Well, the Watergate was owned by the Pope; property under direct control to the Vatican.so it must truly have been the Judgment at the Watergate, as mentioned in Nehimiah. This is why I always had a warm spot in my heart for G. Gordon Liddy, who remained loyal to the endonce a Jesuit, always a Jesuit. Those stupid bungling burglars; your CIA in action.most of the intelligence they get is out of the newpaper, and someone else writes that out for them. As for Deep Throat, there were others who knew who A.H. was, but never revealed his namehow did they know? Because he had a line, as did Kissinger, to the National Enquirer.where Henry exposed a secret list of CIA agents stationed all over the world, where a picture was taken with a scopethe fact that it got into the Enquirer, which was then headed up by CIA Bob Pope, makes the story twice as interesting but still somewhat of a mystery. It looks now like NATO will take over the office of the President, under the direct control of the CFR.that is, by the secret three to 13 at the top of the pyramid. The could not so do under JFK or RR; and we all know what happened to them. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Templar Revelation
-Caveat Lector- At 11:35 AM 4/5/99 EDT, someone wrote: You must look for clues in movies too: note that the actor Roger Moore plays, in movie The Saint, Simon TEMPLAR, and in movie The Persuaders Lord SINCLAIR. And don't forget the 1st captain of Babylon 5 was Jeffrey SINCLAIR, and more importantly the object of Robin William's affections in The Fisher King (there's a hint!) was Lydia SINCLAIR!!! The Sinclairs, the conspirators, are everywhere! Che Just kidding. Really. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Oklahoma City Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:10:08 EST From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: --- Why Clinton learned to love to BOMB --- . . . Comments: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Caveat Lector- Has it something do with the bridge to the New World Order village? "War is Peace!" -- Orwell _1984_ - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris There may be deeper irony at work in the Oklahoma City-Kosovo parallels. There is a serous vein of scholarship which holds that the Oklahoma City bombing may have actually the result of an attack by an electromagnetic pulse (emp) weapon. On-site observations of the damage were apparently more like the results of an emp weapon, than of the jhome made fertilizer bomb to which the damage was officially ascribed. By this line of research, the alleged perpetrators were actually "guided" by mind control technology into carrying out an ineffective attack which served as cover for the emp weapon; a provocateur incident was then created which ascribes terrorism to the "freedom" right wing. Classic european state terrorism, right before your eyes, brought up to date with emp mind control technologies. If you would like to research this for yourself, search "electromagnetic pulse weapons" in a good search engine like google. A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [4b] FINAL WARNING: A HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-04-07 01:10:07 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, the Watergate was owned by the Pope; property under direct control to the Vatican.so it must truly have been the Judgment at the Watergate, as mentioned in Nehimiah. Here's some thought-provoking trivia. The architect of the Watergate, turns out, was originally Benito Mussolini's architect (Il Duce's Albert Speer, so to speak). DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Albanians Destabilize Macedonia, Montenegro
-Caveat Lector- "Macedonia says it cannot take in more than 20,000 refugees, fearing they will destabilize its ethnic balance and lead to calls for autonomy for the Albanian minority... "Too much pressure on Macedonia could endanger Georgievski's fragile coalition of Macedonian and Albanian parties. "Anti-NATO resentment has been growing among Macedonian nationalists, angry at both the airstrikes against fellow Orthodox Serbs and the influx of minority refugees." "Greater Albania," anyone? I wonder how 'humanitarian' the US gov't would feel if suddenly a civil war in Mexico sent 2 million new illegal immigrants across the border into California? Macedonia Criticizes NATO By PATRICK QUINN .c The Associated Press BLACE, Macedonia (AP) -- Macedonian officials early today emptied a border enclave where thousands of refugees had been trapped for days in squalid conditions. Working through the night, officials bused refugees out of the encampment at Blace, on the border with Kosovo. A bus convoy out of the camp had been running for days, but the pace was sharply stepped up to move out the last of the refugees, who had numbered in the tens of thousands only the day before. However, the fate of a long line of refugees who had been waiting on the other side of the border was not known. There was speculation they had been turned back to Kosovo. Paula Ghedini, a spokeswoman for the U.N. refugee agency, said about 15,000 of the remaining refugees from Blace had been taken to a transit camp near Macedonia's capital, Skopje, but officials were not sure what happened to the others. ``We don't have manifests from all the buses,'' she said. Paramilitary police kept journalists at a distance from what had been a sprawling encampment. Viewed from a distance, the site was a giant, smoldering pit, with garbage fires burning and tons of muddy clothing and plastic sheeting strewn about. The move came against a backdrop of growing tensions between Western aid and alliance officials and Macedonian authorities. On Tuesday, Macedonia's prime minister criticized NATO for ignoring warnings that airstrikes on neighboring Yugoslavia could cause a humanitarian disaster. Llubco Georgievski, premier of the former Yugoslav republic, also blamed the alliance for allowing 130,000 Kosovo Albanians to gather on its border without proper measures to care for them. ``In the 15 days since the airstrikes started, Macedonia cried out that something dramatic was going to happen. The United States and European Union have done nothing to help,'' Georgievski said, calling the NATO allies ``completely irresponsible.'' U.N. aid agencies have accused Macedonia of using bureaucratic delays to slow the influx of both refugees and aid. They are also looking into reports that Macedonia may be forcing Kosovo Albanians to leave the country in a Western-organized airlift that started late Monday with flights to Turkey and Norway. Macedonia, flooded with more than 130,000 refugees from Kosovo, says it cannot take in more than 20,000, fearing they will destabilize its ethnic balance and lead to calls for Albanian autonomy in this country of 2.2 million. Too much pressure on Macedonia could endanger Georgievski's fragile coalition of Macedonian and Albanian parties. On Tuesday, the government reportedly asked the United States to postpone the deployment of some of its forces, who were to assist in building refugee camps. Anti-NATO resentment has been growing among Macedonian nationalists, angry at both the airstrikes against fellow Orthodox Serbs and the refugee inflow. In a news release late Tuesday, the government hinted it would stem a future tide after 65,000 refugees are moved out from Blace. ``The Macedonian government has decided that refugees will only be accepted through the crossing borders and be transported at ... transfer camps where they will be transferred to other countries,'' it said. NATO troops in Macedonia have been working day and night to set up nine tent cities to temporarily house refugees. NATO said it had ferried into Macedonia more than 1,373 tons of aid, including 350 tons of food and water and 250 tons of tents and other supplies. An additional 30,000 refugees were caught in a bottleneck at a border crossing in southwestern Jazince, caused by the Yugoslav government's decision to close the border Tuesday, Macedonian officials said. April 6 (Reuters) Western governments have warned that Milosevic might take advantage of the NATO strikes to stage a military coup in Montenegro and overthrow the 37-year-old Djukanovic. The coalition government here says it is ready to defend itself and has placed well-armed police outside key public buildings around Podgorica. However, with many people in this mountainous republic fiercely opposed to the NATO attacks, Djukanovic and his ministers have been careful not to make any public declarations which might be seen as a push for independence.
[CTRL] ... and Bosnia
-Caveat Lector- NATO Troops in Bosnia Fired On By AIDA CERKEZ-ROBINSON .c The Associated Press SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina (AP) -- A NATO helicopter flying on a routine mission apparently came under fire over Bosnian Serb territory, NATO officials said Tuesday, the latest in a recent series of attacks on alliance-led forces in Bosnia. The crew of a Black Hawk helicopter observed a flash on the ground 10 miles southwest of the northern Bosnian city of Doboj, on Monday. Within seconds they saw an object fly in front of them, forcing them to take ``evasive action.'' The helicopter landed safely, said Maj. Sheena Thomson, a NATO spokeswoman. NATO-led forces are investigating the incident and received assurances from the Bosnian Serb Army and local police that they will cooperate. Since NATO launched airstrikes against Yugoslavia, relations between the NATO-led Stabilization force, SFOR, and Bosnian Serbs have deteriorated and SFOR has increased security measures as a precaution against retaliation. The Bosnian Serbs have strong ties to Serb-led Yugoslavia and consider the NATO action an aggression. In another incident which occurred on Sunday, a hand-grenade was thrown at a house where an SFOR member had once lived in the Bosnian Serb town of Bijeljina in the north-east of the country. There were no injuries and the damage was minimal, Thomson said. A day earlier, two civilians driving in an SFOR vehicle in a Sarajevo suburb were shot at with a small caliber weapon. One person was wounded. Several Bosnian Serb leaders have condemned NATO's behavior, particularly the Bosnian Serb Radical Party, which international officials say is steered by Milosevic. ``We remain concerned that the SRS (Bosnian Serb republic), the Radical party, in particular, continues to be manipulated by forces outside,'' said Simon Haselock, the spokesman for Bosnia's top international official, Carlos Westendorp. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Canada's Anti-War Voice
-Caveat Lector- Canada Dissenters Fault Kosovo Move By DAVID CRARY .c The Associated Press TORONTO (AP) -- While Canadian leaders unwaveringly defend Canada's role in the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, a vocal chorus of dissenters says the nation's legacy as a pioneer in international peacekeeping is being betrayed. The anti-war movement staged its first news conference Tuesday, featuring a member of the Canadian Senate, a prominent historian and a maverick politician known for his opposition to free trade with the United States. ``Our country is violating its most profound traditions,'' said Michael Bliss, history professor at the University of Toronto. ``We're now in the hands of military men who have a vested interest in escalating the conflict.'' So far, there have been no nationwide polls to gauge public support for Canada's engagement in the bombing campaign. But most of the major media have been depicting the handful of Canadian airmen in the war zone as heroes, and leaders of the four main opposition parties have backed the government's decisions. The Kosovo conflict has produced a dramatic shift in Canada's foreign policy, which for many years has emphasized the country's abilities as a mediator and peacekeeper. Foreign Minister Lloyd Axworthy successfully led a campaign last year for Canada to win a seat on the U.N. Security Council, yet Canada now finds itself engaged in a war that lacks Security Council authorization. Douglas Roche, an independent member of Canada's Senate, noted that Axworthy had wanted a Security Council seat so Canada could prod the big powers into a greater preoccupation with human security. ``We have abandoned that noble and realistic goal ... by joining in an aggressive military action,'' Roche said. ``To bomb for peace -- this is the greatest oxymoron of the 20th century.'' David Orchard, a farmer and free trade foe from the opposition Progressive Conservative Party, said Canada should reconsider its membership in NATO. ``After years of pious bleating by Canadian governments about war crimes ... we are committing one of vastly larger proportions,'' Orchard said. There has been no formal debate or vote in Parliament about Canada's role in the bombing, although a debate is expected in the House of Commons on Monday. The Liberal Party government has not indicated whether it would allow a vote on its policy. Prime Minister Jean Chretien's office said Tuesday he would cut short his trip to Latin America this week in order to be back in Ottawa for the parliamentary debate. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Please, China, Join the WTO
-Caveat Lector- "Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, called on Clinton to insist that China provide U.S. investigators bank records that ``would demonstrate the origins of the MILLIONS of dollars that flowed'' from China to the Democratic Party." How much is peace on earth worth to the infinitely-greedy NWO accountants? U.S. Wants China To Open Market By MARTIN CRUTSINGER .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. and Chinese negotiators went back to work today in their down-to-the-wire push for an agreement to open China's vast market to American exports. While Chinese officials portrayed an agreement as close, U.S. officials insisted substantial differences remain. Both countries are struggling to strike a deal that would pave the way for China to gain entry into the World Trade Organization, hoping an agreement can be announced on Thursday when Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji will meet with President Clinton at the White House. In an indication that progress is being made, the discussions were extended into Wednesday. Chinese Vice Trade Minister Long Yongtu, the head of the Chinese delegation, told reporters late Monday that both sides were ``very close'' to a deal. But Jay Ziegler, chief spokesman for U.S. Trade Representative Charlene Barshefsky, was less optimistic, saying substantial differences remain in a number of areas. Zhu, the first Chinese premier to visit the United States in 15 years, was scheduled to arrive later today in Los Angeles for the start of a nine-day American visit. While he would like to return home with an agreement on WTO membership, the administration has continued to insist it will not accept an agreement that does not open Chinese markets to U.S. manufacturers and farmers. In addition to the economic concerns, the administration faces a tough sales campaign in a Congress upset over allegations of Chinese nuclear espionage and a new crackdown on human rights. Zhu, in an interview with Wall Street Journal executives distributed Monday, accused President Clinton of caving in to Congress and changing the standards for China's entry into the WTO. He told the newspaper that Chinese concessions had brought a WTO agreement within reach, but ``due to pressure from the U.S. Congress, the U.S. government has shown a change in attitude.'' He called Washington's new demands ``unreasonable'' and said China is not inclined to make further concessions. ``Make no mistake,'' he said. ``China is not begging for accession to the WTO.'' But administration officials insisted Monday the priority is to get an agreement that will open China's vast market, not one that simply meets the Thursday deadline. ``Rather than looking at a calendar, we're going to look at the details of a deal and we're not going to take anything but a good deal,'' presidential spokesman Joe Lockhart told reporters. The administration sees China's barriers to American exports as the chief cause for a record $57 billion trade deficit last year with China. Robert Cassidy, America's top negotiator on Chinese trade issues, was scheduled to resume discussions today with Long Yongtu, China's vice minister for trade. U.S. officials said Monday's opening session was devoted to a review of the gaps still existing between the two countries. China has made a number of concessions in recent weeks in hopes of overcoming U.S. objections to its membership in the Geneva-based World Trade Organization which sets the rules for world trade. But that effort is coming at a time of serious strains in U.S.-Chinese relations. Greg Mastel, an economist at the Economic Strategy Institute, a Washington think tank, said tensions between the two countries are so great that China may achieve only a ``framework'' agreement where both sides would spell out areas of agreement and differences, and set a deadline for resolving those issues. ``It would in large part be a face-saving move ... if they can't finish the full package,'' said Mastel. Zhu's visit comes at a time when the United States is upset over a Communist Party-ordered crackdown on Chinese trying to form a democratic party and allegations of Chinese espionage at U.S. nuclear labs. For their part, the Chinese are troubled by NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia, which China's government has condemned as a dangerous attack on international security. Lockhart refused comment Monday on a published report that the chief of China's military intelligence secretly directed $300,000 to Clinton's re-election campaign in 1996. He said the allegations were ``the subject of an on-going investigation at the Justice Department.'' The Los Angeles Times said that former Democratic fund-raiser Johnny Chung had given an account to federal investigators of payments of $300,000 to the re-election campaign. Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., chairman of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, called on Clinton to insist China
Re: [CTRL] OEN 4/6/99
-Caveat Lector- I am more interested in who is going to lay the brick and the mortar, build the highways to keep the traffic going; build the cars, the tall buildings, homes for the veterans returning from war, laying sewer lines and wter lines, building cities Poor Bill Gates.why don't they just say Ahab wants his very profitable vineyrd. By their fruits, you shall know them all. Glad to see you around Mr.Goat. Colleen We have wars that have been going on for 2000 years and they are worried about Bill Gates.seeding corn? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fake Poll Seen
-Caveat Lector- From Capitol Hill Blue, 4/7/99: The Rant I am, therefore I rant. . . The poll that wasn't They held a small celebration at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Tuesday. As celebrations go, it wasn't much of a gala, but things to celebrate have been few and far between at the House of Clinton these days. The celebration came with a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll that says a majority of Americans now support Bill Clinton's Kosovo war and would also support the use of ground troops. So there were a few high-fives and back slaps issued as the the illusion masters of the Clinton administration congratulated themselves on yet another propaganda victory. A week of televised images of Kosovo refugees had paid off. Bill Clinton now has the American public behind him. Or does he? Like Bill Clinton's Presidency, the poll released Tuesday appears to be more than it really is. The poll was conducted by Hart Research, a Democratic polling firm whose clients include many Democratic members of Congress, the AFL-CIO and a President named William Jefferson Clinton. Fred Yang, the Senior Vice President for Hart, often writes articles that offer "the Democratic perspective" on issues for magazines like Campaigns and Elections. Before the key questions were asked, those polled were told: "As you may know, hundreds of thousands of civilians have been forced to leave Kosovo." And the question on ground troops was worded to invoke emotion: "Would you favor or oppose a decision to send U.S. and NATO soldiers into Serbia if the Serbs continue to drive people out of Kosovo?" In the polling business, this is called stacking the deck, wording the questions in a way to make sure you get the answers you want. "If you want an honest poll about the actions of a Democratic president, you don't hire a pollster who works for the Democratic party. Hart is considered one of the most partisan firms around," says Dr. Ralph Bakke, a retired professor who taught demographics and polling. "You either hire an independent pollster or you hire polling firms from both sides and aggregate their results." US News World Report, for example, publishes a series of "battleground" polls that uses both Democratic and Republican pollsters. NBC and the Wall Street Journal, however, chose to go the partisan route and the results of their poll gave them just the story they wanted to trumpet in print and over the airwaves today. There are many things you can call this: Cooking the books and stacking the deck are just two. One thing you can't call this is honest journalism. --Doug Thompson Founder, Publisher Editor Capitol Hill Blue _ Want more Rant? Try Recycled Rant Want to Rant? Visit ReaderRant DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The 'Right' Bush ?
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From IntellectualCapital.CoM
http://www.intellectualcapital.com/issues/issue192/item3199.asp
The Right Bush
by Ed Kilgore
Thursday, April 01, 1999
Comments: 227 posts
A former vice president of the United States. A conservative U.S. senator
who is a war hero and a media darling. A 1996 candidate with big sacks of
cash and a message slavishly devoted to every pet cause of economic and
social conservatives. Another 1996 candidate who has spent more than four
years virtually living in Iowa and New Hampshire. Still another 1996
candidate with universal name ID and a devoted national following of angry
right-wing populists. A Christian right leader with a gold-plated mailing
list of true believers. A genial young House leader who can credibly claim
to have balanced the federal budget. A former Cabinet member with a famous
name who could close or even reverse the dreaded "gender gap."
It's all about George
By any measure, this is a Republican field of presidential candidates that
is broad if not terribly deep. But at present, they are all chopped liver.
Does George W. have what
it takes?
The prohibitive front-runner for 2000 is a candidate who is just beginning
his second term as governor of a state where governors wield little real
power. His main first-term initiative -- a tax-reform scheme -- went down in
flames. He is not identified with advocacy of any particular issue or cause,
and can boast no unique accomplishments. (In a puff piece selling him to
conservatives, Robert Novak, the dean of right-wing columnists, called him a
"blank page when it comes to foreign and much of national policy."). Even
his most avid promoters do not claim that he is a brilliant or especially
charismatic man. Until election night in 1994, when his brother, Jeb, lost
while he won, George W. Bush was reportedly the second choice for the
dynastic succession in his own family.
Yet hordes of GOP congressmen have begged him to run. Most of his Republican
gubernatorial colleagues have signed on. British Tory leader William Hague
has made a pilgrimage to Austin to discuss how conservatives can respond to
the "Third Way" politics of Bill Clinton's New Democrats and Tony Blair's
New Labor.
The Washington "pundits' primary" of infallible insiders is all but over,
with the focus shifting to a Bush-Gore general election. Most remarkably,
key opinion-leaders for the dominant conservative wing of the GOP --
famously suspicious of the policy views of Republican politicians,
especially those named Bush -- are all but fawning over the ideologically
anodyne governor.
The conventional gospel
Some examples of their self-seduction:
Novak, keeper of the flickering flame of the supply-side wing of the
conservative movement, startled many readers with a Feb. 22, 1999 piece
flacking Bush's candidacy and vouching for the governor's right-wing
credentials. In an interesting act of imputed parricide, Novak stressed that
Bush's policy advisers were not Bushies, but Reaganites. Dealing with a
particular fear of conservatives, Novak let it be known that Bush The
Younger had hung out a "not wanted" sign for former Office of Management and
Budget Director Richard Darman, blamed for convincing President Bush to
violate his "read my lips" pledge on taxes. He concluded that George W.'s
"brain trust" suggested "his administration would be to the right not only
of his father's, but of Reagan's."
In the March 22, 1999, issue of The Weekly Standard, Executive Editor Fred
Barnes penned a cover article ("The Gospel According To George W. Bush")
that goes to inordinate lengths in reassuring Christian conservatives that
the Texas governor is one of them. Barnes dwells lovingly on Bush's fairly
recent "spiritual awakening." He documents through the testimony of friends
that it was a genuine turning point in Bush's life, but is careful to avoid
any suggestion of the showy emotionalism that discomfits more secular-minded
conservatives. The article also addresses in great detail the possible
Achilles Heel of the Bush candidacy: rumors about his
pre-spiritual-awakening personal behavior. According to Barnes, there is
nothing lurking in the gubernatorial closet other than some frat-boy
hi-jinks at Yale and a now-abandoned habit of taking a second highball
before dinner.
In a rare pronouncement on policy, Bush recently let it be known that he no
longer favored aggressive action (e.g., a Human Life Amendment to the
Constitution, or overt attacks on Roe v. Wade) to outlaw most abortions,
preferring incremental initiatives such as bans on "partial-birth" abortions
and a long-range effort to change public opinion. The Human Life Amendment
has been advocated in the last five Republican platforms, and Bob Dole got
himself into a world of trouble with conservatives in 1996 for suggesting
the party was out of touch with public opinion on abortion. You might expect
howls of outrage from a similar, and perhaps even more provocative,
statement on abortion
[CTRL] TWA 800 Trial Underway
-Caveat Lector- From Chris Ruddy's web site: Wednesday April 7, 1:25 AM FBI Loses First Round in TWA 800 Case TWA 800 defendant James Sanders was upbeat when reached by Inside Cover late Tuesday. His trial on charges of conspiracy to obtain secret evidence from the wreckage of the July 1996 air disaster was only in its second day and already presiding Judge Joanna Seybert had handed the prosecution a major defeat. "The judge quashed the illegal seizure of my computer hard drive, which is very good news for us, " Sanders said, referring to the FBI's confiscation of manuscripts which he argues should be protected by the First Ammendment. "They hadn't even bothered to get a warrant," Sanders complained. The story of Sanders' independent investigation into the still unexplained crash is told in his 1997 book, "The Downing of TWA Flight 800". As a working journalist, he obtained fabric swatches from the plane's seats and had them analyzed by a California laboratory. Their conclusion? Red stains on the material were identical in composition to missile exhaust. Despite more than a hundred eyewitnesses who told investigators they saw a streaking object strike TWA 800 that July night, the FBI and NTSB have discounted the missile theory. That's what makes Sanders' discovery of missile exhaust trace evidence so problematic for the government. Early courtroom reactions seem to favor Sanders, with several offering praise for his attorney Bruce Maffeo's opening arguments. But Wednesday's session will be key. That's when former TWA crash investigator Terry Stacey takes the stand. Stacey is now the government's key cooperating witness against Sanders and his wife Elizabeth, who is also named in the indictment. The conspiracy charge rests on the allegation that Sanders solicited Stacey to obtain the fabric samples. Elizabeth Sanders is charged on the basis of a single conversation with Stacey, during which her husband says the fabric evidence wasn't even mentioned. "Wednesday is going to be quite a day," Sanders told Inside Cover, eagerly anticipating public exposure of what may be one of the worst government cover-ups of the century. Monday April 5, 4:25 PM TWA 800 in Court The trial of TWA 800 defendants James and Elizabeth Sanders, which began Monday in a Uniondale, N.Y., federal courtroom, could produce some real fireworks -- depending upon what evidence presiding Judge Joanna Seybert lets the defense present. James Sanders, you may recall, is the journalist who accepted a piece of fabric taken from one of 800's seats by a TWA crash investigator, which contained evidence contradicting the official government theory that the July 17, 1996, disaster was accidental. Sanders' 1997 book, "The Downing of TWA Flight 800" documented his early investigative work. Unhappy with his report, the Justice Department has put Sanders on trial for interfering with the official FBI-NTSB investigation. Cmdr. William Donaldson, whose two-year-long crusade for the truth has made him the premier expert on the 800 disaster, has signed on as a defense team consultant. Friday, Donaldson told Inside Cover that the evidence he's uncovered suggests wrongdoing that reaches to the highest levels of the White House. Should Judge Seybert take an interest in the larger story of how 230 souls perished off Moriches Beach that July night, this trial could get a whole lot more intriguing than current media non-coverage would indicate. Both Sanders and Donaldson have promised to keep NewsMax.com apprised of daily trial developments. Stay tuned. Monday April 5, 7:16 AM White House Doves Turn to Hillary The Clinton White House was so divided over the president's plan to bomb the Balkans that administration doves hoped Hillary would intercede. That's the word from longtime Clinton nemesis Larry Nichols, who seems to have developed a reliable White House source for the latest on the Kosovo crisis. For instance, Nichols knew that Clinton's war on Slobodan Milosevic would commence precisely on March 24 -- and said so up and down the radio dial nearly a week before it happened. And now, other events Nichols described to Inside Cover early
Re: [CTRL] [4b] FINAL WARNING: A HISTORY OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER
-Caveat Lector- Ah ha..there is always the architect with the plan, but as Jimmy Hoffa once said - hey he might have done it, but he wasn't the architect of that plan. That was a real flood gate, eh what? Tell me, das Goat..do you think little Monica, that sweet, child like floozie, was really a Mossad Agent - or rather, hired by the Mossad to back Clinton into a corner in the OVAL office, which was an accomplishment unto itself. I wonder how many golden earrings she took to do tht. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: O then, tell me Sean O'Farrell, tell me why you hurry so / The Rising of the Moon
For those who like good Irish Music, this is it; hope some of you can pick up the music, as well. For it looks to me, as if the old ones of Ireland following the rising of the full moon.for all you astrology lovers out there, and to Mr. Shannon...I do not drink, just because I am Irish.doesnot necessarily mean that I drink.there was a day so I used to sit with the boys (not the girls mind you) but the boys, and match them drink for drink... Lady Marion http://www.acronet.net/~robokopp/eire/othentme.htm
Re: [CTRL] APRIL Worldwide Holiday List
-Caveat Lector- According to this list the Serbs don't celebrate Easter at all... Are they Knights Templar? That might explain why the Vatican has it in for them. Of course, there is a simpler explanation. Go-Global doesn't give a shit about promoting understanding of world cultures (sic) They collect travel industry demographic data in exchange for informing their subscribers of STATUTORY holidays which might inconvenience their travel plans. -Caveat Lector- To answer the question as to who celebrates what, when... Begin Forwarded Message ... Worldwide Holidays List .. Sponsor: Global Sources http://www.Go-Global.com Thank you for subscribing to our Worldwide Holiday List! Go-Global.com promotes understanding of world cultures through the explanation of holidays celebrated worldwide. This month is one of the busiest months. Why? Because their are so many religious days being celebrated all around the world. If you are planning to travel, be careful of travel between April 1-17. Kindest Regards, Rebecca Noel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Publisher _ In order to receive this list, you signed up by submitting a form at http://www.Go-Global.com/Signup.html _ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Pope Buys Cease-Fire; Italy, Other NATO Members Waver ...
"Japan said it supports Russia's proposal for a special meeting of the Group of Eight industrialized nations on the Kosovo crisis. "Japanese Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi ``strongly supports any diplomatic efforts that would lead to an early political solution.'' Vatican: Cease-Fire 'Sign of Peace' VATICAN CITY (AP) -- The Vatican greeted Yugoslavia's unilateral cease-fire with Kosovo's rebels as a ``sign of peace'' on Tuesday and again urged NATO to halt its airstrikes. Vatican envoys have been working without success for an end to the NATO bombings as well as a return of Yugoslav leaders and ethnic Albanians in Kosovo to the negotiating table. ``One thing is certain: to continue the violence of the last few days represents a grave obstacle to the search for a negotiated peace,'' said the Vatican secretary of state, Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran. Tauran, who met with Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic last week, said Tuesday that the cease-fire was a ``very important step towards peace.'' Pope John Paul II has repeatedly called for an end to the conflict and on Easter Sunday he implored Yugoslav authorities to open a ``humanitarian corridor'' so aid can reach Kosovo's desperate refugees. Any redistribution of Bloomberg content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Bloomberg L.P. Any reference to the material must be properly attributed to Bloomberg News. The information herein was obtained from sources which Bloomberg L.P. and its suppliers believe reliable, but they do not guarantee its accuracy. Neither the information, nor any opinion expressed, constitutes a solicitation of the purchase or sale of any securities or commodities.(C) Copyright 1998 Bloomberg L.P. BLOOMBERG, Bloomberg News, Bloomberg Financial Markets, Bloomberg Television, Bloomberg News Radio are trademarks, tradenames and service marks of Bloomberg L.P. NATO Allies Reject Yugoslav Cease-Fire Declaration Belgrade, April 7 (Bloomberg) - NATO rejected the Yugoslav government's unilateral declaration of a cease-fire in Kosovo, saying the alliance won't halt its bombing until President Slobodan Milosevic allows the province's ethnic Albanians to return and accepts an international peace-keeping force. NATO forces stepped up their attacks, hitting targets early today in Kosovo's capital Pristina and the Yugoslav capital Belgrade, Agence France-Presse said, citing eyewitnesses. Targets at around at least five Yugoslav cities were struck, yesterday including a chemical plant, an airport, and an army firing range, according Yugoslav state television. The Yugoslav offer is ``clearly insufficient,'' NATO Secretary-General Javier Solana said after meeting with NATO ambassadors. Milosevic must end his crackdown and accept a political settlement based on the Rambouillet accords, he said. By meeting those conditions, ``Mr. Milosevic could end this now,'' U.S. President Bill Clinton said earlier. ``The United States would never choose force for anything other than a last option.'' Serbian Television described the cease-fire pledge as temporary to mark the Orthodox Easter holiday, but when asked if it was permanent, Belgrade Deputy Mayor Milan Bozic told Sky News: ``Let's try for that.'' Improved weather has enabled allied forces to launch the most intense raids so far on targets throughout Yugoslavia, British Defense Secretary George Robertson said Tuesday. NATO is destroying bridges and highways critical to Yugoslavia's military communications, as well as tanks, artillery and barracks, he said. ``With every sortie, Milosevic's war machine is being weakened,'' he said. Attacks Intensify MSNBC reported anti-aircraft fire and at least a dozen explosions in the Belgrade area Tuesday night. Three powerful blasts rocked the Kosovo capital of Pristina and a Yugoslav army firing range was hit in a village near the Podgorica, the capital of Montenegro, Serbia's smaller partner in the Yugoslav federation, Agence France Presse reported. One U.S. bomb landed in a civilian area Monday night, U.S. Defense Department spokesman Ken Bacon said. The 500-pound laser- guided bomb hit an apartment building in the central Serbian coal-mining town of Aleksinac. NATO Air Commodore David Wilby said the strike had been aimed at a nearby artillery brigade. Yugoslav media said 12 people died and dozens were injured. While Robertson dismissed the Yugoslav cease-fire declaration as ``just a propaganda ploy,'' the euro rallied to its biggest one-day gain against the dollar. The offer ``gives the market a bit of hope that we might get an agreement that would stop the bombing,'' said Rainer Guidon, manager of foreign exchange at Erste Bank. ``Still, I wouldn't load up on euros right now,'' he said. ``It's a bit too early.'' The euro rose to $1.0847 from $1.0712 late yesterday in New York. Bonds Rallied European bonds rallied, and U.S. bonds rose for the second time in three
[CTRL] John Andrews passed away
-Caveat Lector- [Message delayed from April 3.] Jim Goodall reports that "Spy #1" John Andrews passed away last night (April 2) from cancer. John was a model designer for the Testors Corporation, known for his model kits of secret and rumored aircraft, including the Lazar S-4 Spacecraft and the speculative Aurora aircraft (labelled the XR-7 Thunderdart by Testors). He was one of the original Groom Lake Interceptors featured in the March 1994 issue of Popular Science. The funeral will be in Clairmont Mesa, CA, this coming Thursday, April 8th. Glenn Campbell +--+ |UFOMIND MAILING LIST | | Supporting the World's Largest Paranormal Website | | www.ufomind.com Moderator: Glenn Campbell | | | | Archived at: http://www.ufomind.com/misc/| | Submissions to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | "unsubscribe" (in body) to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +--+ RELEVANCE OF THIS MESSAGE: Area 51 http://www.ufomind.com/people/a/andrewsj/ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Ethiopia/Eritrea/Somalia
__ Stratfor's FREE Kosovo Crisis Center - http://www.stratfor.com/kosovo/crisis/ The most comprehensive coverage of the Kosovo Crisis anywhere on the Internet __ STRATFOR's Global Intelligence Update April 7, 1999 Somalia -- Emerging Third Front in the Ethiopia-Eritrea War? Summary: Reports continue to emerge that Asmara and Addis Ababa are arming competing factions in Somalia in order to create a third front that could break the deadlock on the Ethiopian-Eritrean battle front. While both sides deny the charges, the consistency and redundancy of the reports and the logic of the presumed underlying strategy suggests that Somalia may soon emerge as a third front in the war -- or at least as a new source of chaos in its own right. Analysis: According to the April 3 edition of the Mogadishu daily Xog- Ogaal, a truckload of ammunition arrived in Mogadishu on April 1 from the town of Beled Weyne near the Ethiopian border. The ammunition was allegedly part of a 40 metric ton shipment supplied to warlord Hussein Haji Bod by Ethiopia. Two similar truckloads were reportedly detained by members of the United Somali Congress-Patriotic Movement (USC-PM) in Beled Weyne. While Xog-Ogaal is supportive of Mogadishu warlords Hussein Mohamed Aideed and Ali Mahdi Mohamed, who are opposed to Ethiopia, an April 3 Agence France Presse article confirms the report. AFP cited witnesses, including one of the workers who reportedly unloaded the shipment, as saying that multiple cargo trucks escorted by gunmen in machine-gun mounted pickup trucks ["technicals"] delivered the ammunition to the Gedoole militia compound in northern Mogadishu. Adding to the paper trail, on March 31, Mahdi Mohamed charged Ethiopia with violating the arms embargo on Somalia by providing weapons and ammunition to various factions. In comments carried on April 1 in Xog-Ogaal and on March 31 in the Mogadishu daily Qaran, Mahdi Mohamed claimed that United Somali Congress splinter group leaders in Beled Weyne, including Hussein Bod, Umar Hashi, Muhammad Dhereh, and several others, had received arms from the Ethiopian government. Mahdi Mohamed alleged that technicals had been dispatched from Mogadishu to escort the arms from Beled Weyne. Qaran noted that this was the first time some of the warlords had received aid from Ethiopia, and that some rival factions were being armed by Eritrea. Both Eritrea and Ethiopia have denied the charges. This by no means the first allegation that the deadlocked battle between Ethiopia and Eritrea may be seeping into neighboring Somalia. The Mogadishu newspaper Tarik reported on March 6 that some 200 of Aideed's militiamen would travel to Eritrea for military training. In late January, the Rahanwein Resistance Army and the Digil Salvation Army factions in Somalia alleged that Eritrea had flown five plane-loads of arms and ammunition to the Balidogle airfield, west of Mogadishu, for distribution by Aideed to Ethiopian opposition forces based in Somalia. And the Addis Tribune reported on March 5 that, the previous week, an unidentified ship was spotted at the port of Merca, south of Mogadishu, unloading arms thought to be for Aideed. The arms reportedly included armored personnel carriers, as well as BRDM and Ferret type reconnaissance vehicles. The Mogadishu Times reported on March 8 that Ethiopian government officials held talks with USC-PM officials in Feerfeer, on the Ethiopian-Somali border north of Beled Weyne. According to sources cited by the Mogadishu Times, the meeting was in preparation for an Ethiopian offensive against some border districts of Somalia. On March 9, Somali National Front leader General Omer Haji Mohamed "Masale" claimed that an Ethiopian armored column crossed the border on March 7 near Balanballe, north of Feerfeer on the Ethiopian-Somali border in the Galguduud region. The troops allegedly looted Balanballe and kidnapped a local businessman before returning to Ethiopia on March 8. Eyewitnesses reported that the soldiers claimed to be chasing members of the fundamentalist Al-Itihad Al-Islam, an allegation repeated in the Mogadishu newspaper Ayaamaha on March 10, citing an Ethiopian government spokesman. The Ethiopian embassy in Nairobi denied Haji Mohamed's allegations, but did reserve the right to take steps against terrorist groups operating out of Somalia. Al-Itihad Al-Islam has been fighting to unite Ethiopia's Ogaden region, formerly Western Somalia, with Somalia. The London-based newspaper Al-Hayat on March 29 cited the head of the National Front for the Liberation of Ogaden (NFLO), Mohamed Umar Uthman, as stating that Addis Ababa's rejection of a dialogue with the NFLO left the group with no option but to intensify its military operations. Uthman denied his group had received military assistance from Eritrea, though he admitted the NFLO was in contact with Eritrea for political dialogue and
[CTRL] Fwd: The Guardian ( Australia ) NATO bombing.
The Guardian March 31, 1999 STOP THE BOMBING! NATO's AGGRESSIVE WAR The NATO bombing of Yugoslavia is an act of open and barbarous aggression against an independent, sovereign country whose borders are recognised by every government in the world. It has been undertaken without the authority of the United Nations. It is illegal. Its aim is the dismemberment of Yugoslavia and the occupation of all Balkan countries by NATO military forces. It is the prelude to an eventual military attack on Russia, the Ukraine and Belarus. Yugoslavia has not committed any act of aggression against any of her neighbours. It does not have one soldier outside its own territory while US military and airforces are in Macedonia, Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary, Greece and many other countries in Europe and other parts of the world. The world's biggest nuclear power of 272 million people, together with the snivelling European governments of NATO, are bombing a small mainly agricultural country of about 10 million people. The real crime of the Yugoslavs is that they refused to bow to US dictatorship. The real war-criminals are Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright, US Defence Secretary William Cohen, British PM Tony Blair, Schroeder of Germany and the other compliant government leaders of NATO countries. During the Vietnam War, General Curtis Lemay declared that the aim of the US airforce was to bomb Vietnam "back to the Stone Age". Is this now the objective in Yugoslavia? Using the excuse of an ethnic conflict in the Yugoslav province of Kosovo (which has been deliberately stirred up by the western powers), the bombing is justified by references to "human rights" and allegations of the persecution of ethnic Albanians living in Kosovo. The western powers care nothing for the fate of ethnic Albanians any more than they care for the millions of Kurds who have been persecuted by the Turkish Government which is also a member of NATO. When 100,000 indigenous people were slaughtered in Guatemala (which has been confirmed by a recent report) there were no denunciations, no bombing of Guatemala. Why? Because the death-squads were trained, financed and armed by the CIA and other US agencies. It is worthwhile recalling that Hitler used the excuse of the alleged persecution of the Sudeten Germans living in Czechoslovakia to invade that country in the lead up to World War II. Earlier in their program of dismembering Yugoslavia, which has always been a multi-ethnic and multi-religious state, the western powers have incited separatist sentiments, first with the Croatians, then the Muslims of Bosnia, followed by the Slovenians. They were successful in setting one ethnic group against another or one religious group against another. This dirty game has been played time and again to divide nations and weaken them so that the big powers can impose their rule. But condemnation of the NATO aggression and anti-NATO demonstrations are flaring around the world (See references in the Editorial page 2). Russia has broken off relations with NATO and expelled its two representatives in Moscow. Foreign Minister Ivanov said, "We cannot now have any contact with the leaders of NATO until the aggression against Yugoslavia has stopped". A Russian resolution in the UN Security Council was predictably defeated but it is the western powers which are flagrantly violating the UN Charter. Members of the Russian Duma are calling for military assistance to Yugoslavia and for the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons in neighbouring Belarus. The Ukrainian Government is also reconsidering its decision to become nuclear weapon free. The Chinese Government has strongly denounced the bombing. China's representative at the UN said: "Any military action against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia without the authorisation of the UN Security Council will be a severe violation of the UN Charter and the established principles of international law. Such action will not be accepted by the international community." "The question of Kosovo is an internal matter. The Chinese Government believes that it should be settled politically through dialogues on the basis of respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Yugoslavia and the guarantee of the legitimate rights and interests of the ethnic groups in the region."
[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: The Secret CIA Report
-Original Message- From: Jim Hargrove [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 5:04 PM Subject: Re: The Secret CIA Report The CIA put up on its Website IG Kirkpatrick's Bay of Pigs report last summer. To view it online, go to: http://www.foia.ucia.gov/default.htm Click on "Popular Document Collections;" click on two "Bay of Pigs Reports" links; and finally click on the first listed document link, which is: "Inspector General's Survey of the Cuban Operation and Associated Documents." These are graphic scans, and so the pages load a little slowly, but it works flawlessly and the scans are excellent. --Jim Hargrove It's at http://www.foia.ucia.gov/frame2.htm
[CTRL] Big Brother Taps the Bitstream
-Caveat Lector- [from alt.conspiracy - I have received many enquiries about whether the first cypherpunk movie, Cryptic Seduction (crypticseduction.com) will be shown at the CFP conference. The producer just sent it to me and I will give it to the conf organizers possibly to show this evening. Be warned: It is sexually explicit -- as befits a movie about free speech. --Declan] = from: http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/18987.html A HREF="http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/18987.html"Political News from Wired News /A - Big Brother Taps the Bitstream by Declan McCullagh 3:00 a.m. 7.Apr.99.PDT WASHINGTON -- Bob Barr is an unlikely defender of civil liberties. A former federal prosecutor and fierce opponent of gay rights and abortion, he recently won national notoriety as a House floor manager who argued at length for impeachment. But on Tuesday, the staunch Georgia conservative showed up here at the Computers, Freedom, and Privacy conference to warn of the dangers of an overly intrusive government. Barr said that as the 19th century dawned, natural resources were vital to our country. A century later, it was financial resources. Now, he said, information "will represent power in the 21st century." He condemned the collection of information by both corporations and the government, and said that Congress needs to intervene. "We need to look for ways to make these issues nonpartisan," Barr said, advising the audience to become active in lobbying their legislators and federal agencies. Public outcry, he said, was what caused bank regulators to abandon the reviled "Know Your Customer" plan, as well as another scheme that would have led to a de facto national ID card. "The public was heavily involved." Other panelists described a growing trend toward global electronic monitoring, including the latest developments in the National Security Agency's surveillance system, first documented in James Bamford's The Puzzle Palace. Steve Wright from the UK-based Omega Foundation recounted his investigation into Echelon, an international network of highly sensitive listening posts operated in part by the supersecret NSA. The system taps 2 million calls an hour, Wright said, and has been the subject of an investigation by the European Parliament. The report will be released in two weeks. The Austrians have their own problems. A proposal that is nearly certain to become law will expand police surveillance capability to a level not seen since the Nazis, said Erich Moechel from Quintessenz. "They can wiretap according to this law ... without the order of an independent court," he said. And Russia? Forget about it. The country has already banned encryption software that can be used to shield sensitive information from prying eyes. More recently, the FSB -- the successor to the KGB -- has required Internet service providers to allow agents to monitor all communications . "[They] must maintain hardware, software, and a dedicated line to the local FSB department," Moechel said. The US government has required telephone companies to build in similar capabilities, though officials say surveillance will take place only with a court order. A representative from the US Department of Justice said that societies had to balance freedom with security. No surveillance at all would be fine, said Scott Charney, "if everyone were law abiding, but they're not." Charney, who heads the agency's computer crime unit, said the threats of child pornography, terrorism, and hackers like Kevin Mitnick mean technology should be restricted. One audience member asked whether Justice Department-backed restrictions on overseas encryption sales that keep encryption out of the hands of human rights workers in Kosovo can be justified. "You have to balance a lot of competing equities," Charney replied. The CFP conference continues through Thursday evening. Related Wired Links: Shaping Online Privacy 6.Apr.99 Know Your (Customer) Rights 30.Mar.99 Europe Is Listening 2.Dec.98 Spying on the Spies 27.Oct.98 Eavesdropping on Europe 30.Sep.98 Russia Ponders Net Snooping 21.Jul.98 Copyright © 1994-99 Wired Digital Inc. All rights reserved. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] OEN 4/7/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Der Fuhrer Invades Yugoslavia CLINTON WILLING TO RISK GLOBAL WAR "How many body bags will it take to make this jerk face reality?" Bill Clinton's failing Kosovo war is part of a desperate, dangerous and fatally flawed plan by a scandal-ridden President to salvage a legacy for the history books, White House and Pentagon insiders say. In fact, the President is willing to risk a global military conflict to shift the emphasis on his Presidency away from the many sex and money scandals that have dogged his administration, interviews with present and past White House and Pentagon staff members reveal. Interviews conducted over the past two weeks show an increasingly isolated President whose obsession with his place in the history books has led him to ignore the recommendations not only of career military officers, but also of many close aides. "The President is standing alone on a lot of this," says one White House aide. "He's finder fewer and fewer people who are willing to stick with him over Kosovo. He's backed himself, his administration and his country into a corner." Two who are sticking with Clinton are National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and Secretary of State Madeline Albright, who aides say would follow Clinton anywhere. "Berger and Albright put their loyalty to Clinton above their oaths to serve the constitution," says military analyst Sander Owen. "It's pathetic to watch." At the Pentagon, senior officers now call the President the "draft dodger in chief," and sneer at his inability to grasp simple military tactics. "The man is an ass," says one career officer. "He has no concept of a military operation. To him, it's just a video game. What we don't know is how many body bags it will take to make this jerk face reality." Arnold Crittendon, a retired intelligence analyst, says Clinton has become a "laughing stock" in both the military and intelligence communities. "His political motives are so blatant that they would be farcical if we weren't talking about the lives of American soldiers," Crittendon says. "There wasn't that much respect for the man to begin with. What little there was is long gone now." Clinton, who often turns to history to justify his actions, has told aides that Richard Nixon, who resigned from office in the Watergate scandal, will be remembered more for his foreign policy accomplishments than the scandal that ended his Presidency. "There's a real irony here," says one White House staffer. "The President's troubles have often been compared with those of Nixon. Now he's using Nixon as a model to justify his actions in Kosovo." Aides say that Clinton started focusing more on foreign policy when it became clear he would not be convicted in the Senate impeachment trial. "He wanted to find some foreign policy arena where a bold stroke would showcase his administration as a world leader," one former aide says. "When it became clear that he was focusing on Kosovo, a lot of people tried to talk him out of it. But Bill Clinton is a man who won't let go of something once he focuses on it. He was sure that defeating a tyrant would restore his place in history." But military planners told Clinton he could not win a limited air war in Kosovo. "The President was advised that his strategy was flawed and did not serve the national interest," says one Pentagon planner, "but he wasn't interested in hearing the facts." Now, with the air war turning into a global fiasco and some calling for sending in ground troops, Clinton is faced with either a full commitment or a pullout that will be seen worldwide as a defeat. "The President is really facing only two choices," says one White House aide. "He can get out before American lives are lost or he can increase the commitment and plunge the country into a prolonged war that will undoubtedly lead to American casualties." Former Navy Capt. Al Simonson says he knows several career military professionals who are willing to resign their commissions rather than continue to serve under Clinton. "I've been around the military for more than 30 years and I have never seen morale this low," Simonson says. "Bill Clinton has destroyed the soul of our armed forces." At this point, few at either the White House or the Pentagon are willing to guess which direction the President will go. "There's a real feeling at the Pentagon that the President may have gone off the deep end on this one," says retired Air Force officer Matthew Higgins. "He has become very unpredictable on this one." "A few weeks ago, we all would have said that Clinton would give up as soon as the going got tough," says a high-ranking Pentagon officer. "But no one is really sure what he will do now. He's obsessed with this thing and that makes him both unpredictable and dangerous." A psychologist who treats obsessions says Clinton's preoccupation
[CTRL] Bomb Congress With Calls To Stop 'Spy Network' - Barr
-Caveat Lector- From: "Hilary A. Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bomb Congress With Calls To Stop 'Spy Network' - Barr 06 Apr 1999, 4:34 PM CST By Robert MacMillan, Newsbytes. WASHINGTON, DC, U.S.A., Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., today told Newsbytes he has called for hearings in the House of Representatives to examine the possibility that the greater part of our country's -- and world's -- population is being watched by the global "Echelon" network, as well as other spying systems. Speaking at the Computers, Freedom and Privacy 1999 conference today, Barr said while Congress may end up holding hearings on the issue, the only way to get members in both houses to take notice of -- and take a stand against -- Echelon and other threats to personal freedoms is to bombard them with "phone calls, faxes, e-mails, postcards, letters, you name it." A variety of international speakers at today's panel spoke of the threat to freedom of privacy in daily lives and communications not only through Echelon, a satellite-based UK/US-stewarded spy network, but the proposed Enfopol system. Enfopol is a purported FBI/European Union-led initiative to conduct surveillance on phone conversations and Internet access. Most of the participants in today's session railed against the possibility that any communications all over the world easily could be intercepted because of Enfopol. Steven Wright of the UK's Omega Foundation said these spy networks are not just used to halt criminal activity, but to keep watch on groups like Amnesty International and to look over the shoulder of business deals. "It's a transatlantic agenda for making the telephone system transparent," Wright said. He added that now-former European Commissioner Martin Bangemann told the EU's European Parliament that he had no knowledge of Echelon. However, the European Parliament is expected to receive and publish a report from inside the European Commission on the state of the Echelon Network in about three weeks. Barr said many members in Congress need to be prodded into addressing the illegal use of wiretapping in the name of national security because the issue currently is not a "headline-grabber." "It's going to take hitting these issues any way you can, over and over and over again... so they cannot be ignored," Barr said. "It will require even more than legislation... it will require oversight." Barr also said that the issue of protecting US citizens' privacy rights must not degenerate into partisan issues, saying that proponents of increased wiretapping capabilities (such as the FBI with Enfopol and its CALEA proposals) will try to introduce partisan splits into Congress to try to take away from initiatives to preserve personal freedoms. Erich Moechel, an Austrian journalist following the Enfopol developments, said that his country already is laying the groundwork for allowing Enfopol to thrive, having recently given conditional approval to a law that allows wiretapping without court orders. Barr said the entire international cooperation process exists partially so that countries seeking criminals who evade law enforcement's ability to catch them within one set of borders can go outside their own orders to ask for international cooperation -- because they use a shared network. This, he said, amounts to law enforcement going out of bounds legally to do its job. Scott Charney of the US Justice Department said that the US does not conduct surveillance activities for no reason, adding that he doubted that a huge majority of phone calls all over the world are being tapped. "I don't know who you would find to process that information," he said. "We do indict people for illegal wiretapping." He added, however, that the increasing globalization of information makes law enforcement's job difficult because it "still recognizes borders." "If I download data on a legal search, what if that data is stored in Germany?" Charney said. "All countries don't work to the same standard, everybody is not everybody else's friend." Charney added that approximately 1,000 wiretaps on the combined federal, state and local levels are conducted each year in the US. Reported by Newsbytes News Network, http://www.newsbytes.com . 16:34 CST Reposted 16:54 CST (19990406 /WIRES ONLINE, LEGAL, TELECOM, BUSINESS, GOVT/ECHELON/PHOTO) Copyright (c) Post-Newsweek Business Information, Inc. All rights reserved. You can now easily share photos and documents with your fellow list members http://www.ONElist.com Check out our homepage for details on how to use our new shared files feature! InTheShadows is a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date with new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories', politics, and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you
[CTRL] book discusses CIA, KGB and Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:512823"book discusses CIA, KGB and Kosovo /A - Subject: book discusses CIA, KGB and Kosovo From: "C. Fanelli" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Apr 6, 1999 10:55 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --EA35CF9CAFA762B003136D08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of you might be interested in knowing that "Every Man Should Try", an newly published life memoir byt Federation of American Scientists President Jeremy J. Stone has five exciting chapters concerning intelligence issues including ones on espionage, explanations of how CIA-KGB cooperation came about, illegal mail opening, and the arrest of Guzman of Peru's Sendero Luminoso. There are also chapters on Stone's role in arms control talks with Russia and a proposal he brought to Kosovo in the 1990s, which is very pertinent to the present situation. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] John Taylor Gatto on education
-Caveat Lector- John Taylor Gatto (1991 New York State Teacher of the Year) We The People Radio Interview By Jerry Brown March 25, 1997 Transcribed by Howard Wang Jerry Brown: Welcome to another edition of We The People, this hour we're going to talk some more about learning, education, and schooling in its many variations. To help us reflect more deeply on this question, we have on a line from New York John Taylor Gatto, he was named the New York Teacher of the Year in 1991, he was also named New York City Teacher of the Year in 1989, 1990, as well as 1991. He resigned from teaching during his state titled year, and he's put out an op-ed piece in the Wall St. Journal, and four months later he was honored by his former students in a program at Carnegie Hall called "An Evening With John Taylor Gatto - the Exhausted School." He's written the book "Dumbing Down - the Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schools." JB: John, you've been in the school business thirty odd years teaching in the public schools of New York, so can you state here in the beginning what the problem is. People are just wringing their hands, and it doesn't seem like anything is going to get better with the path that we're on. JTG: Well, there's a lot of problems Jerry. But I think they boil down to a quick slug of we don't teach the way children learn and because the business has become really a central part of the American economy, you're really not allowed to teach the way children learn although any individual component in this system would admit privately that they wish they'd allow you to do that. You have the perfect example of that out your way: an elderly Peruvian immigrant, in a school near Los Angeles, inside of four years, had the best scores on the Advanced Placement Calculus Test. I'm sure he was an excellent teacher, but that's really beside the point. He was working with a group of kids with no mathematical tradition, and very little literary tradition, and inside of a short time, Garfield High was the third ranking school in the US on the AP calculus. Mr. Escalante's fate is just fascinating - he was harassed and hounded out the school. They made it intolerable for him to stay! In Chicago, there's a black lady named Marva Collins, working with black ghetto kids, many of them with no intact families. She found out what I found later on, which was that these children have no resistance to very high level work and ideation. In a quick take, if you set the idiom aside, they're producing work of a caliber that we associate with adults. I know this must sound fantastic to your listeners, but the truth is you and I could spend hours and not come to the end of people stumbled on the great dirty secret of American schooling: it just doesn't teach the way children learn, nor can it be allowed to, or maybe that's just momentum and not design. We're dealing with a 6700 billion dollar a year industry - it's the gatekeeper to all of the rest of the jobs. We couldn't turn out an excess of competent people without really doing damage to this economy. If this sounds like I'm playing a conspiratorial string on my violin, hardly, the president of Columbia's teacher's college, Dean Russell, in 1908, in the keynote speech to the NEA, said that there was a tremendous danger that too many leader's would be produced, and it would cause a collapse in the system. JB: I'm reading where a quote that you have in an article by you, by Edward Roth, in his book written in 1906 called "Social Control," says the following "plans are on the way to replace community, family, and church with propaganda, education, and mass media. People are only little plastic lumps of human dough." Now you quote that I suppose because for you it encapsulates the underlying spirit of education in America? JTG: Yeah, I actually used that in a book that's coming out in the summer called "the Empty Child" by Simon and Schuster. Since they wouldn't give me the million words I needed, I needed to find the most trenchant reflection of this attitude towards children that they're little plastic lumps of dough. Roth of course is not just a professor of sociology he was one of the two or three people who created the American discipline of sociology. And you also have a few years later Geddard of Princeton, the head of the psychology department, who said that standardized testing would function as a dunce cap, making people aware of their inferiority, making them reluctance to compete and even, even reproduce themselves! There's a current to this, not a strain but a powerful central current right before the first world war, reaching a tremendous visible crescendo sometime right after the second world war, after which it disintegrated itself, rather than provoking controversy, as a duty thing and not talk about it. I stumbled upon all of this while I was trying to figure out why on earth so many people appeared to have a vested interest in trying to stop me from doing what they knew
[CTRL] [2] Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman
-Caveat Lector- Treason in America -- From Aaron Burr to Averell Harriman ANTON CHAITKIN (C)1984 New Benjamin Franklin House P. O. Box 20551 New York, New York 10023 ISBN 0-933488-32-7 --[2]-- -2- The British Surrender, But the War Continues At the close of the American War in 1783, while the British and French were still fighting, East India Company operative Adam Smith wrote an updated version of the Wealth of Nations. This was to be the essential document of the new order of things in London, for by then Smith's friend Lord Shelburne had established his power in the British government by a virtual coup. In it Smith complained that "Mr. Colbert, the famous minister of Lewis XIV . . . [endeavored to regulate] the industry and commerce of a great country upon the same model as the departments of a public office; and instead of allowing every man to pursue his own interest in his own way . . . he bestowed upon certain branches of industry extraordinary privileges, while he laid others under as extraordinary restraints . . . [Colbert preferred] the industry of the towns above that of the country."(1) This unfair policy (by which France had become a greater manufacturing power than England!), said Smith, was responsible for provoking cycles of retaliation between France and England, and peace between the two nations could only be secured on the basis of "free trade" between them. In France, Adam Smith's theory of free trade was popularized by Burr's new cousin, Jacques Mallet du Pan, who called Smith "the most profound and philosophic of all the metaphysical writers who have dealt with economic questions." Later du Pan's cousin Pierre Prevost, professor at the University of Geneva, would translate the works of Adam Smith and Thomas Malthus. Attacking Colbert's policies in 1786, Mallet du Pan lobbied strenuously with France's King Louis XVI to accept British Prime Minister William Pitt's offer of a treaty that would force France to give up all protective measures, and put the country at the mercy of Britain's "free trade" policies. At the same time the international banking houses, led by the Swiss, suddenly refused credit to the French government, and Louis XVI was forced to sign Pitt's Eden Treaty. No sooner had that been accomplished, than the British launched a terrifying trade war, dumping cheap British manufactures on the French market and cutting off the supply to France of vital Spanish wool. Within France, employment, agriculture, and trade quickly collapsed and starvation followed. In 1789, credit was again withdrawn from the French government. King Louis XVI was forced to reinstall Genevan banker Jacques Necker as minister of financeafter having fired him several times beforein order to "regain the confidence" of the banking community. Necker proposed austerity as the only solution to the crisis. He told the people of France that their troubles stemmed from "wasteful spending' by the King and Queen. Necker was again dismissed by the insulted King, but now mobs surged through the streets crying that Necker was the only hope for the French people. As they stormed the Bastille prison, the French Revolution began. Aaron Burr's kinsman, Mallet du Pan, satisfied that anarchy was burying French greatness, returned to Geneva and then settled in Londonwhere he set up a European-wide spy network for the British. Spymaster du Pan received first-hand accounts of French government secret deliberations from his agents within France. (2) Enter Albert Gallatin Albert Gallatin, who was to serve the British with Burr on American soil in the decades that followed the Revolutionary victory, came from one of the leading oligarchical families of Geneva. Relations of blood, and of bloody deeds, united them with Gallatins, Galitzins, Galitis, and Gallatinis in Russia, South Germany, Holland, Italy and Savoy, where the family originated. They had served the feudal nobility of Europe for centuries as financiers and soldiers of fortune.(3) The Gallatins maintained a seat on Geneva's Council of 200, along with the family that had finally given Aaron Burr a home and identitythe Mallet-Prevost family. The Gallatins were cousins of the Mallets, the Prevosts, and the Neckers, with active relations in England, Holland, and Geneva. Albert Gallatin was born in 1761. His most intimate friend and father-figure in his youth was the writer Voltaire, the Gallatins' neighbor. According to all his biographers, Albert spent countless hours on the lap of the ultra-rich cynic, whose love of British and hatred of Continental philosophy made a deep impression on the youth. At the University of Geneva as a student, Gallatin formed a life-long friendship with classmate Etienne Dumont, who left Switzerland and became the tutor to the sons of Britain's Lord Shelburne, as well as the worldwide agent and translator of Jeremy Bentham. Another formative relationship, not mentioned in any existing Gallatin biography, can best be
[CTRL] Steve Mitchell of ARIS/Oxford (0604)
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:512815"Steve Mitchell of ARIS/Oxford (0604) /A - Subject: Steve Mitchell of ARIS/Oxford (0604) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Corley) Date: Tue, Apr 6, 1999 9:22 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A long time ago when I started these posts, people encouraged me to put names to my tales of woe, to give them some checkability and credibility. Now that I have been "outed", I can identify applications group manager Steve Mitchell of Oxford Computer Group as my main persecutor during 1992. I am posting this article not to attract sympathy, but to give credibility to my statements; and also because Mitchell's abuse in 1992 worsened my mental state and I've never got over it. Before 1992 I did not have to take medication, but after it I am having to take medication every day. I am not really sure if I should be washing dirty linen in public in this way, but I don't suppose I have very much to lose by it. OCG can hardly sue me for libel since it's all true. OCG used to be called Oxford Computer Training Services (OCTS) in 1992, then it became OCG/OCA, and it is currently a subsidiary of an American company as ARIS/Oxford. They are on the web at http://www.ocx.com/ and have an email address of [EMAIL PROTECTED], and are still located at the same place as when I was there, namely Oxford Computer Group, Wolsey Hall, 66 Banbury Rd, Oxford OX2 6PR. The phone number listed on their web page is +44 (1865) 315200, when I was there I think it was 512675. To sketch out the background, I joined them in Jan 92, was harassed continuouly until Nov 92 when I was forced to take two months sick leave and start taking medication (sulpiride) regularly. Things improved when I returned in Jan 93, and I stayed with them until May 94 when I emigrated to Ontario. When I started taking the medication people's behaviour to me changed and I effectively forgot about what 1992 had been like (a self-protecting reflex, or an effect of the meds). The evening of the first day at OCTS, I went over the road to the "company" pub, the Rose and Crown. During the course of the evening, the technical director Ian C. said to co-worker Phil, "is he the bloke who's been on TV?" to which Phil replied "Yes, I think so". They'd just been talking about me so it was definitely me they were referring to. The first year was very unpleasant. Mitchell was clearly being supplied by "them" with details from my private life, and kept on repeating words which were being spoken at my rented room, or at home in London where I was returning weekends. In particular he was repeating words which I was frequently thinking but not saying; I think I must have been saying them in my sleep (on one occasion, while waking during the night, I did catch myself talking in my sleep). One weekend I played Lemmings on my computer at home, and the following week Mitchell said to someone, "I heard he was playing on his computer over the weekend". Another time I went for a walk in the woods outside Oxford, and the following day Mitchell said he'd heard that I'd gone for a walk in the "forest". Yet another time, in autumn 1992 I was in a neighbour's house (in London) when she said something about doing the ironing. I know her house was bugged because it had been made clear to me by the boy and girl on the coach on the trip to Poland in summer 1992; in this case, the technical director Ian C. repeated with sarcasm about "doing the ironing" very soon afterwards. And a couple of times Hugh S. the MD repeated things from my home; when I was talking to him about the harassment, he asked if "they would have thought they'd won" if I sought medical help (which directly repeated something I'd said at home about them thinking they'd won if I went to a psychiatrist), and he also said humorously that "it wasn't fair" that I was being victimised (again I'd expressed the opinion at home that my victimisation wasn't fair). There was a further echo on the topic of fairness when I went to hospital for the first time in Nov 1992, when I was asked by someone I passed "did they pay your _fare_? they should have paid your _fare_". That "they", the persecutors, were watching my home was reinforced when one day, on leaving the house to go to work, I was attacked; not beaten up, just grabbed by the lapels, with some verbals thrown in. I told nobody at work about this, yet they knew, because Alex G. said to a co-worker, "I heard he was attacked". Steve Mitchell's verbal harassment was mainly to do with sexual or egestive functions. He seemed quite obsessed with the latter in particular, finding every conceivable assonance to the word "shit". So there were Excel spread-"sheets", time-"sheets", pressing the "shift-insert" keys, etcetera. I spent much of the autumn of 1992 severely depressed from the abuse. The final straw was when he repeated, grinning, a comment somebody else had made,
[CTRL] Fwd: Kissinger's Sympathies with Pinochet
Miami Herald April 5, 1999 Kissinger supports release of Pinochet Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger on Sunday joined calls for extradition proceedings against ex-Chilean strongman Augusto Pinochet to be dropped and for the 83-year-old to be allowed home. ``I would be very happy if Pinochet was allowed home,'' Kissinger told The Sunday Telegraph. ``This episode has gone on long enough and all my sympathies are with him.'' Miami Herald April 5, 1999 Court orders arrest of former police agents SANTIAGO -- An appeals court on Tuesday ordered the arrest of a dozen agents of former President Augusto Pinochet who are suspected of involvement in the 1982 slaying of labor leader Tucapel Jimenez., officials said. The suspects, who include retired Gen. Ramses Alvarez, retired Col. Maximiliano Ferrer and Capt. Raul Descalzi, were members of the former secret police organization known as the National Information Center (CNI). The move came as a surprise because last November, a judge had closed the case and cleared four ex-CNI agents of charges in connection with the murder of Jimenez, who was found with his throat cut near Santiago days after issuing a call for workers to unite and restore democracy in Chile.
[CTRL] Microsoft's New Brain Project
-Caveat Lector- I have a photo of Rupert. Write me if you would like me to forward it to you. Hilary From: "Hilary A. Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Published April 1 - 7, 1999http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/9913/features-barcott.shtml http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/9913/features-barcott.shtml [cid:026b01be809c$47d75360$[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Microsoft's New Brain Project BY BRUCE BARCOTT A prodigy's Redmond isolation lab faces 'outing' over life secrets The most classified program at Microsoft isn't an operating system. It isn't a Web browser. It's a 9-year-old boy named Rupert. When Microsoft executives talk about fear, they often use the phrase "garage factor." The term comes from computer history, which is full of stories about code geeks hatching the Next Big Thing in their parents' basement, and it refers to the possibility that a new product or company might come out of nowhere, overnight, and crush the industry's dominant corporation. In other words, do to Microsoft what Microsoft did to IBM. "Bill Gates' greatest fear is not that some kid is brewing the next killer app in his garage in Kenosha," says Robert Warburg, an analyst with the Bay Area venture capital firm Klein Fairfield. "His greatest fear is that some kid will brew up the next killer app in his garage in Kenosha and Microsoft won't own it." The US Justice Department's antitrust suit against Microsoft can be seen as one consequence of the software giant's fear of garage factor. "When [Netscape] Navigator hit the market in '96, all of a sudden this garage factor X became real," recalls a former product manager who worked on Microsoft's rival product, Internet Explorer. (In the Justice Department suit, which is still being argued in court, Microsoft is charged with unfair business practices in an effort to sink Navigator.) Chastened by their experience with Netscape, Gates and a small circle of top executives--including company president Steven Ballmer and chief technology officer Nathan Myhrvold--met in the fall of 1997 to find a way to co-opt the garage factor. What they came up with is a program whose existence has been known, until recently, only to an elite cadre of Microsoft vice presidents. Instead of buying start-up companies whose innovations might be a threat to Microsoft, the company would, as one executive reportedly put it, "leap two rungs up the food chain." Under the code name "Manchuria," Gates gave the green light to a program that would identify child prodigies and bring them under the proprietary wing of the Redmond software giant. In exchange for stock options that ultimately may be worth anywhere from $5 million to $100 million, Microsoft would care for, house, feed, and educate the children until the age of 18. "If they're going to invent the next Apple or Linux," says one executive, "they're going to do it in our garage." On the face of it, the idea sounds insane. And indeed, Manchuria has been slow to get off the ground. There's only one entrant in the program so far. But since his arrival in Redmond early last year, he's been the subject of endless in-house e-mail gossip. One string of messages debates whether he's a Mozart-level genius. Another lays bets on when he'll occupy Bill Gates' chair. A third questions whether the program, and the entrant, even exist. The doubters can relax. Three things about Manchuria are now known for certain. The entrant exists. His name is Rupert Tollefsen. And Rupert is 9 years old. A black budget job "I don't know who told you that, but I've never heard of any such program. Or person. We get a lot of weird rumors around here, but that's one of the weirdest." That's Microsoft spokesman Emmett Richter, filling in for an antitrust-weary Mark Murray. And he may well speak the truth. That is, he's never heard of Manchuria. The program operates completely off the budget books. Even Microsoft's chief financial officer is said to be unaware of its existence. "You have heard of the Pentagon's 'black budget'? That is the model upon which the program is based," says Vikram Narayan, a former research fellow at Microsoft's research center in Cambridge, England. Narayan (not his real name), who left Microsoft earlier this year, was brought over to Redmond in December 1997 to get Manchuria up and running. He agreed to talk about the program only if his name was not used. "Everyone who contacts Rupert is subject to double-secret nondisclosure agreements," he explains. During Tollefsen's first weeks on campus, one of Gates' personal assistants was assigned to tail the boy and secure NDAs from everyone he talked to. That duty has since been eliminated. "They realized they could not shut everyone up," Narayan says, "so they concocted a cover story about Rupert being Bill Gates' nephew." A day in the life Although Microsoft officially denies his existence, if you happen to stroll by the northwest entrance to Microsoft's Building 8--where Chairman Bill works--on a weekday
[CTRL] Mission Creep, Stealth War, Seen (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- "MISSION CREEP," "STEALTH WAR," SEEN (CNNS, 04/07/99) -- "Creeping gradualism" is the typical U.S. *modus operandi*. For example: the constant whittling away of civil liberties here in the U.S., under the guise of the failed "War on Drugs." Some compare this tactic of creeping gradualism to frogs being slowly boiled: if you drop a frog into boiling water, the frog will jump out; but if you put the frog in water and gradually raise the heat, the frog will be boiled alive. The key to sneaky success in planned operations, knows Washington, DC, is to be gradual about it. So it is significant that a press release from the Serb Unity Congress warns that This is war by stealth. The Congress and American people are being led along a series of incremental steps to a final fait accompli of war. This does grave damage to the U.S. constitution which vests authority to declare war in Congress and Congress alone. [1] First there's bombs and missiles only. Then there's Apache Attack Helicopters. Then you need a few "observers" on the ground. (Promises Bill Clinton: "They are there acting only as observers.") A few observers here, a few observers there, and before you know it we're talking about real war. In Vietnam, in the early 1960s, it began much the same: with a small number of "observers." Back then, the propaganda was that we were in Vietnam to prevent a "domino effect." Supposedly, if Vietnam went communist that would lead to all of Southeast Asia falling into the communist camp; the surrounding countries would fall like dominoes. (But then-Secretary of Defense Bob McNamara later admitted that, by the mid-to-late 1960s, U.S. leaders were no longer sure why exactly we were at war in Vietnam.) It's "deja vu all over again." Secretary of State Madeline Albright says that if we lose Kosovo, instability will spread throughout Europe. Pentagon brass are critical. They have "challenged the 'domino theory' put forth by Secretary of State Madeleine Albright..." [2] According to Arianna Huffington, Her Ladyship Albright is the spiritual patron of the escalating international war in Yugoslavia. "The Balkans have always been Albright's special project," says Huffington. "Everyone in Albright's circle is very conscious of how anxious she has been to have a victory to call her own. Instead, she now has a calamity to call her own." Albright's fanatical tenacity caused her to disregard warnings from the CIA about the terrible repercussions likely to follow the implementation of her bombing mania, writes Huffington. "So blinkered was her vision that all warnings by the CIA about Serbian retaliations were ignored." [3] Privately, the U.S. government remains deeply divided over the wisdom of U.S. attacks on Yugoslavia. Several reports, including one by the Washington Post, indicate that the U.S. military has serious misgivings. But they, under the military code, are hinderedfromspeakingoutopenlyagainsttheir Commander-in-Chief, Bill Clinton. And politicians skeptical about U.S. involvement in the Balkan tinderbox mostly adhere to the truism that "politics should stop at the water's edge." But, reports UPI, many in Congress "remain leery." [4] "The President is standing alone on a lot of this... He's finding fewer and fewer people who are willing to stick with him over Kosovo. He's backed himself, his administration and his country into a corner," reportedly says one White House aide. [5] Internationally, many countries are also leery. "Lebanon's Prime Minister Selim Hoss says the mass exodus from Kosovo is clear proof of the failure of NATO's military operations against Yugoslavia." [6] Israel's foreign minister worries about the threat of a Moslem state of Kosovo. [7] Greece and Italy have urged a cease fire. Darker nuances associated with the Balkan Blow-up hint that the growing disaster comes from yet another CIA project gone awry. In Zaire, in late-1960, the CIA engineered the murder of Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba. Lumumba was replaced by the CIA-friendly Joseph Mobutu. "The lure of [Zaire's] vast mineral resources led the CIA into a marriage of convenience with him" [8]. But not all CIA covert projects have such "happy endings." The CIA's man in Panama, Manuel Noriega, got along quite well with the U.S. ruling class, for years. But when Noriega began to defy Washington's anti-Sandinista mandate, the USA mass media went into high-gear and Noriega became an instant demon. This propaganda saturation by the USA mass media was the prelude to U.S. invasion of Panama and the kidnapping of Noriega. [9] According to Sherman Skolnick, head of the public interest research group, Citizens'
[CTRL] Oil off of Yugoslavia?
-Caveat Lector- Does anyone have supporting evidence that there is a rich oil reserve off of the shores of Yugoslavia? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [12] Mellon's Millions
-Caveat Lector- an excerpt from: Mellon's Millions Harvey O'Conner©1933 Blue Ribbon Books New York, N.Y. --[12]-- 12 Miners and Machine Guns SENATOR WHEELER'S committee looking into the coal and iron police system used by the Mellons' Pittsburgh Coal Company and other corporations in western Pennsylvania never established whether Richard B. Mellon really meant that "you could not run a coal company without machine guns." Oliver K. Eaton, counsel for the United Mine Workers, was asking the former chairman of Pittsburgh Coal's board of directors for his concepts of labor relations. Mr. Eaton: Mr. Mellon, in the board of directors' meetings has the matter of the employment of the coal and iron police been brought up for discussion before the board? Mr. Mellon: In what way? We have had them, I know that. Mr. Eaton: Well, you knew that they were being put into force and effect? Mr. Mellon: Yes. Mr. Eaton: Was the matter of the equipment for these men and what they were to use brought up before the board? Mr. Mellon: Well, that is the operating department. I never heard of it. Mr. Eaton: You never heard of it? Mr. Mellon: I know that they have them. Mr. Eaton: You never heard of the question of machine guns being bought for them? Mr. Mellon: I never heard of that. They may have. Mr. Eaton: Would you approve of them having machine guns Mr. Mellon: Such as the police here have them? Mr. Eaton: I beg your pardon. Mr. Mellon: Such as the police have them? Mr. Eaton: Well, would you approve of that? Mr. Mellon: It is necessary. You could not run without them. Mr. Eaton: You could not run a coal company without machine guns? Mr. Mellon: No, I didn't say without machine guns. Mr. Eaton: Well, I am asking you about machine guns Mr. Mellon: Well, I don't know anything about machine guns. I don't know whether we have them here. Whether the machine guns were indispensable or not, the Pittsburgh Coal Company's coal and iron police had them, along with ample stores of tear gas bombs and other paraphernalia of industrial warfare, for use against rebellious employees. In this the Smithfield Street bankers and industrialists merely followed the fashion in industrial relations. On occasions when its own private armies were unable to cope with the working force, as in the Standard Steel Car Company strike at Butler, Pa., state police were called in and those workers born in Tsarist Russia were not surprised to see mounted troopers riding into their very homes, scattering curses and terror among women and children. In fact, the state troopers were dubbed "Cossacks" by strikers who had felt the impact of mace on skull. Andrew Mellon's partner, Henry Clay Frick, was responsible for the victory of the "American plan" of industrial relations in the country's basic industry. In 1892, in a bitter, ruthless conflict, he destroyed the steel workers' union at Homestead and decreed that henceforth steel should be non-union. Thereafter steel and coal companies changed gradually from the employment of casual armies of Pinkerton gunmen into the building of reliable private regiments. Aided by the Pennsylvania Railroad and the anthracite coal companies in eastern Pennsylvania, they strengthened the coal and iron police law which clothed with the state's police power their privately paid guards. Despite the best precautions of private police and an elaborate espionage system that reached into every nook and cranny of the steel mills, machine shops and workers' homes, industrial rebellions broke out sporadically. Thousands of eastern and southern European workers would down tools in a spontaneous, if forlorn, protest against the twelve-hour day or other grievances. On such occasions, the regular labor unions being banned, they readily joined organizations like the Industrial Workers of the World.. In 1913 such a revolt convulsed New Kensington, whose main industry was the fabrication of ingot aluminum into sheets, utensils, wire, foil. Strikers' wives rushed to the picket lines armed with blacksnake whips and lashed strikebreakers. State troopers swept through the streets, dispersing gatherings and smashing the picket lines. The strikers held on for six weeks and then returned under promise of arbitration. Two years later, in the dog days of 1915, a savage outbreak in the Aluminum Company's mills in Massena, N. Y., added a fresh note to the sanguinary pages of American labor history. With stagnant wages despite a sharp rise in the cost of living, and grievances against the company's house rental policy, the employee's staged a literal revolt. They captured department after department, mill after mill in the immense works. Frightened officials ran for their lives. By nightfall the strikers controlled every section of the aluminum works and were throwing up a barricade in front of the main gate. Sheriff Thaddeus P. Day of St. Lawrence County swore in a posse
[CTRL] Our Illegal War
-Caveat Lector- Our Illegal War by Congressman Helen Chenoweth Rep. Helen Chenoweth - Congress must reclaim its authority When the order was given for American military personnel to attack Yugoslavia, it was not issued following a declaration of war from Congress. Nor was the order given by the President as a means of repelling a sudden attack on America by a foreign aggressor, or as a measure intended to rescue Americans abroad from unexpected peril. In fact, the order to attack Yugoslavia didn't even follow the pattern set in Korea and Vietnam, in which our nation was committed to protracted foreign wars through unilateral presidential action. On March 23rd, the order to commence hostilities was given to an American general by a Spanish Marxist - NATO Secretary-General Javier Solana. "I have just directed the Supreme Allied Commander of Europe, General [Wesley] Clark, to initiate air operations in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia," announced Solana, who insisted that the attack "is intended to support the political aims of the international community." Congress played no role in defining those political aims, which means that the American people - in whose name Congress is empowered to act - were not permitted to play any role in the decision to commit our nation to war. In the run-up to our war with Yugoslavia, Congress was permitted by its leaders to carry out an impotent charade of debate. On March 11th, the House approved a non-binding resolution endorsing the use of American troops to enforce a peace agreement between the Yugoslav regime of Slobodan Milosevic and secessionist leaders in Yugoslavia?s Kosovo province. On March 23rd, just hours before Solana issued the order to begin the bombing, the Senate approved a resolution supporting the military campaign. But Clinton Administration officials, including the President, had by that time made it clear that while they sought approval of the military action from Congress, they did not consider it necessary for Congress to authorize the military strike on Yugoslavia. A few senators seemed to understand the constitutional implications of these actions. Senator Don Nickles (R-OK) pointed out, "If we start a massive bombing campaign, we?re going to war." Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK) described the prospect of waging an undeclared aggressive war upon Yugoslavia as "a precedent I don?t want to be involved in." Even more pointed were the comments of Senator Pete Domenici (R-NM). "I say shame on the President," declared Domenici, momentarily forgetting that Bill Clinton has repeatedly demonstrated that he is incapable of shame. "If this is such an important matter, why couldn?t [the President] trust the United States Senate and United States House and ask us whether we concur?" In order to appreciate the depth of the Administration?s deception regarding the war over Kosovo, it is necessary to understand that the war was "authorized" by NATO long before the bombing began on March 24th. The day after the war began, the London Telegraph reported that General Clark, NATO?s supreme military commander, "received his activation order for hostilities last October. The order was the official moment when authority over the forces to be used was transferred to him from the top brass of the member countries supplying them. The supreme commander does not need new permission from politicians or diplomats whenever he wishes to change tactics, or increase or scale back operations." (Emphasis added.) At 1:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time on March 24th, with American bombers en route to Yugoslavia and just minutes before the first explosions were reported on the ground in Kosovo, White House spokesman Joe Lockhart explicitly admitted that the power to take our nation into war had been surrendered to a foreign official - namely, the NATO Secretary-General. Lockhart was asked by correspondent Helen Thomas, "Who gives the green light on this now? Is t the President himself, or the Supreme Commander of NATO...?" Lockhart replied, "The Supreme Commander of NATO acts on the authority of the political leaders of the NATO countries, and he has that authority." In brief, the power to declare war in Kosovo was exercised by NATO Secretary-General Solana; the power to make war was given to NATO?s Supreme Commander; the President of the United States played the role of "selling" the war to the public, and Congress was tacitly told that its duty was to rubber-stamp the decision to take our nation into war, and to authorize payment of the resulting expenses. "No power but Congress can declare war," observed Daniel Webster in 1846, "but what is the value of this constitutional provision, if the President of his own authority may make such military movements as must bring on war?" The Administration?s actions in committing our country to enforce, through military action, diplomatic initiatives in Kosovo presented Congress with a fait accompli. The only recourse left to Congress was
Re: [CTRL] I support your right to hate. WAS: Big news, Clinton ...
-Caveat Lector- Thank you for the posting, Samantha. You told us that you were glad that hate crime legislation exists and that the context of a situation must be taken into consideration in order to more fully understand the nature and ramification of a crime. I won't belabor this...but this "isolated" incident that so many members of our list feel is so untypical and "out of character" in America is not an "isolated" nor an "untypical" event at all. When one group (whatever their color or sex) dominates and controls the political/economic/social/cultural life of a nation to the detriment of other groups, it is not surprising that individual members of the dominant group begin to feel a sense of entitlement...special privilege...a sense of superiority to others--even to the point of feeling that they have the right to assault a innocent child. The little boy is going to grow up with the memory of that incident...and his family must live with it, too. And the seeds of distrust and hatred will grow That's one scenario. Of course, hopefully, he will learn to view members of the dominant group as complex human beings who are neither "good" nor "bad".just individuals like himself. Hopefully, when he grows up, he will want to try and change this society...to make it a place where children won't be assaulted or humiliated because of their membership in a particular group. But he will probably grow up to listen to the arguments so often advanced on this list about how America is a color-blind society, how social problems are non-existent...that in America, how it's not the color of one's skin that determines your life circumstances, it's your character, etc. On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Samatha 'Smith' wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-04-06 23:19:19 EDT, you write: So hate all you want, more power to you, but just don't act on it or face all the power of the state to punish you for your actions. Should you suffer more because the crime was committed because of hate or bias? NO. The end result is the same, an injury has been done, the motive is not important the crime is. I feel the same as you. I do know that a hate crimes bill would make a crime out of some things that were before just indecent acts. That's my understanding, anyway. We were entering an amusement park in Missouri. A group of white teens and an adult were crossing our paths. One of the teens took his cup of water and flung it in the face of a young black boy sitting alone on a bench. I was stunned for a time -- I simply couldn't grasp what I'd just seen. Then I hollered to the teen, "What did you just do? You come back here. You come back here and apologize!" He kept walking. The adult looked over his shoulder and said "It's no big deal. He was just cooling the boy off." It was fucking disgusting My companions stayed with the boy while I went to report the incident. The police took it quite seriously, and I was surprised. They explained that it fell into the "hate crimes" category. The white group got away. What a bad day it must have been for that little boy. He endured the cold water without even flinching. He was alone on the bench because his mom was punishing him. His whole family had gone to the car for lunch and left him behind, alone, in the sun, in 110 degree heat. When the cops located his mom, apparently she wasn't very sympathetic. Poor kid. Anyway, I was glad for the hate crimes classification that day. And that's about all I know about it. Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths,
[CTRL] Huang Deposition, Chinagate, Filegate
-Caveat Lector- Huang Deposition, Chinagate, Filegate C-SPAN 4/7/99 C-SPAN On C-SPAN tonight: 07:30pm to 08:30pm ET 04:30pm to 05:30pm PT LIVE Speech Huang Deposition, Chinagate, Filegate Judicial Watch Washington, DC ID : 122338 Length : 1 hr 00 min Event date : 04/07/99 Klayman, Larry, Chairman, Judicial Watch Free Republic DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Homosexuals in the Military:OR Homosexual, Control Fiends and Pedophiles
-Caveat Lector- http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/sci_fi.htm http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/homo.htm Homosexuals in the Military OR Homosexual, Control Fiend, Pedophile Homosexuals: Who or What is Really Hiding in the Closet? (The Military as an Example) Many people would define the homosexual lifestyle as one of promiscuity. The reason for this is that homosexuals seem to be like the legendary "Peter Pan." By refusing to commit to someone of the opposite sex, they normally do not have to worry about the responsibility of children, much less the responsibility of a commitment. Also if they do decide to break off the relationship they normally do not have to worry about the legal tangles of divorce. Should admitted homosexuals that are seen as promiscuous, unable to make commitments, and unwilling to take on responsibility for other people be allowed to serve in the military? In the military you have to trust that the person next to you is Reliable enough that they won't get you killed. The military oath is a promise to defend the country. The contract that you are required to sign upon being accepted into the military is a commitment. Being in the military, means that you are responsible for the people you work with and that they are responsible for you. What kind of person do you want to depend on? Would you rather depend on someone that is willing to take on commitments of religion and family, or would you rather have to depend on someone that has a noncommittal lifestyle. By signing up in the military, you are signing an agreement that allows other people to control your life. So if the people that you are allowing to tell you what to do with your life were to require that you have to live with a person that doesn't seem to care about anything other than themselves, it seems as if the concept of trust and teamwork might get lost. Those same concepts of trust and teamwork are concepts the military can not afford to lose. Often the military is a large part of the first contact that the United States will have with other cultures. Since they often have the responsibility of dealing with people from other cultures, they need to be perceived as stable and responsible. If people in the military, are perceived by other countries as allowed to have idiosyncrasies such as this, will the other countries be enthusiastic about allowing our military to help when they have problems. The military image requires that the people of the military be true to the most stringent standards that their culture has. If you can not take pride yourself and your own culture, how can you understand the pride that someone else has in their culture. True homosexuals have decided what sex they are and what life style they want to follow. True homosexuals have seldom if ever been known to rape a heterosexual. This is usually, if not always done by those that use sex as a control feature. These controlling personalities are really in the closet! Because if the real truth were known, they usually are willing to have sex with any person - male or female of any age. These control fiends are the type to have a physical relationship with a single or divorce mother and also think nothing of having a relationship with here male OR female child. These control fiends are the ones that think that a child (as young as six) is old enough to decide their sexual orientation and to have a physical relationship, at six, based on that design. They refer to the child's parents, as people that have a slave mentality, and that want to keep the child from making an immediate choice. They are the main ones that would like to see homosexuals completely accepted since it will be harder to question these control fiends at that time. Some countries have been sympathetic to the American Homosexual. Iceland has an overwhelmingly female population - I think the current ratio is five females births to every one male birth, and parts of the Orient have five male births for every female birth. This leads to same sex dancing predominating in their clubs their clubs. The biggest difference that these countries have, particularly in the Orient is the family obligation to have children. They are usually not homosexual from choice, and they grow up knowing that they have a commitment to their family. The American homosexual has usually decided that they want few, if any commitments. Our constitution guaranties us the right to live our lives, as we want, as long as we do not infringe upon someone else's right. The constitution is a commitment between this country and it's people. The Constitution is also a commitment between the leaders of this country and the people. This nation was created by many different people, and different cultures. All of these people and cultures have a right to live in their own ways. But the military is suppose to be reliable, trustworthy, and to
[CTRL] USTaxpayer(Slave) Feeds IMF(Master)! or We Lost our Freedom!
Bard Visit me at: The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm Federal Government defined: a benefit/subsidy protection racket! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark A. Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 11:07 AM To: Mark Subject: SNET: IMF funds now would reward Russia for anti-U.S. behavior http://search2.usatoday.com:80/plweb-cgi/fastweb?state_id=923508374 view=defaultnumhitsfound=2query=IMFquery_rule=%28$query%29docid =342docdb=newsdbname=newsTemplateName=predoc.tmplsetCookie=1 [Image][Front page, News, Sports, Money, Life, Weather, Marketplace [Image] [Image][[Image] Search Screen | Results Screen | Previous Document | Next Document Document ranked 1, retrieved from news database. [Image] [Image] 04/07/99- Updated 01:21 AM ET IMF funds now would reward Russia for anti-U.S. behavior By Ariel Cohen Drug addiction is terrible. So is an addiction to someone else's money. In both cases, the worst thing you can do is hand over more to the addict. That, however, is precisely what is about to happen in Russia, where a delegation from the International Monetary Fund is supposed to meet today with Moscow officials to hash out details of a plan that would give Russia billions of dollars in additional loans. More IMF loans to Russia means more money for a country that has become a financial junkie. IMF bailouts amounting to $27 billion since 1992 have failed. Russia has defaulted on most of its foreign loans since its August ruble crisis, and it threatens further default on its debt if the IMF does not provide the new credits. Its promise to do better if only given more of what it craves, coupled with a history of repeated failure, is chillingly similar to the earnest vows of other addicts desperately in need of a fix. Amazingly, the Clinton administration supports this handout despite Moscow's saber rattling over Kosovo and the Russian Navy's menacing deployment in the Mediterranean and the Atlantic. The United States should not be fooled. Any new credits or other largesse almost certainly will be wasted - or worse. We already know that up to $50 billion of Russian Central Bank reserves, including IMF loans, were siphoned off to secret offshore accounts. Additional funds now only would prolong Russia's economic agony, postpone its day of financial reckoning and perpetuate the poor conditions under which Russian and foreign businessmen must work. New credits also would effectively reward Russia for its anti-U.S. positions on international security issues, most notably its opposition to the ongoing NATO airstrikes. Biting hands that feed It's time for some tough love. Americans do not need to turn their hard-earned tax dollars over to the IMF to be disbursed to a corrupt Russian government. Why, Washington should ask, should Russia's debt be forgiven when it continues to support Slobodan Milosevic and his marauding bands? Why aid Moscow as it continues to send ballistic-missile and nuclear technology to states such as China and Iran? Why reward it for going against the will of the United Nations to support Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq with illicit weapons? And why, Russia's leaders should be asked, are they spending billions of dollars modernizing Russia's strategic-weapons arsenal while millions of Russians are impoverished and hungry? The goal of U.S. policies, and of the IMF money, should be to help Russia integrate into the global economy and international community. But, like a drug addict, Russia has to help itself, too. Release ties to past Russia must come to grips with the twin legacies of its Soviet past: a superpower ambition, with its reflexive hostility toward the
Re: [CTRL] Microsoft's New Brain Project
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-04-07 12:18:11 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Under the code name "Manchuria," --as in "Manchurian Candidate"-- [Bill] Gates gave the green light to a program that would identify child prodigies and bring them under the proprietary wing of the Redmond software giant. At this week's "Computers, Freedom + Privacy 1999" conference in Washington, DC, Winchell is scheduled to present a paper hypothesizing about a TR-run civilization 20 years hence. "What we're talking about is becoming Borg," Winchell says. "But Borg with a friendly face." Hmm ... Do technogeeks dream of electric sheeple? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] David Orchard: Canada at War
-Caveat Lector- http://davidorchard.com/at_war.html Canada at War by David Orchard Following the lead of the U.S., Canada is participating in a massive military assault against a sovereign nation in central Europe. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia is a small country of approximately 12 million. Its crime is that it is fighting to preserve its territorial integrity against an armed secessionist movement. Every other nation would do the same. When Abraham Lincoln went to war against the Confederate south "to preserve the union," as he put it, he was regarded as a national hero and Washington bore long and vindictive grudges against any countries - including Canada and Britain - that did not leap to support it. Has not Britain waged a decades long war against the Irish Republican Army? Was it not a Canadian government in Ottawa that invoked the War Measures Act and moved troops into Quebec when faced with "apprehended insurrection"? We are told that Yugoslavia refused to sign a "peace agreement" with its armed separatists. There is no peace agreement. There is an 81 page document, drawn up by the U.S., which will in effect sever Kosovo, long regarded as the cradle of Serbian nationhood, from Yugoslavia. Belgrade was told to sign or be bombed. The majority of the population of the separatist region are of a different ethnic group than those in the rest of Yugoslavia, we are told. If this were justification for secession, most nations in the world, including Canada and the U.S., would disintegrate overnight. A long political and media campaign to demonize the Serbs has culminated with Bill Clinton's comparison of war-torn Yugoslavia to Hitler's Germany. Equating a weak, already partially dismembered country under economic sanctions for almost a decade, struggling to hang on to its heartland, surrounded and menaced by the world's most powerful nations armed to the teeth with the latest high tech weapons, to Nazi Germany only goes to graphically illustrate that truth is the first casualty of war. Lest anyone be confused, the attack on Yugoslavia is not a United Nations operation in any way, nor does it have U.N. sanction. Both Russia and China have condemned it unequivocally. It is a unilateral and unprecedented act of war by the world's most powerful military alliance in violation of international law and of NATO's own charter, which provides for defence in the case of attack against a member nation. No member nation of NATO has been attacked or threatened by Yugoslavia. Why is Canada, the famed peacemaker, involved in the illegal destruction of a founding member of the U.N. and our ally in both world wars? Today, Yugoslavia is virtually defenceless, yet with a long and proud history of fighting for its independence- for almost five centuries the southern Slavs led by Serbia fought against the Ottoman Empire, for years Yugoslavia fought against Hitler's Nazis and, under Tito, against control by the Soviet Union. As in Iraq, many of the bombs and missiles raining on the people of Yugoslavia are coated with depleted uranium. The radioactive fallout will, as is happening today in Iraq, ensure an agonizing death for tens of thousands in the years ahead, long after the bombs stop falling. After years of pious bleating by Canadian governments about war crimes (only those by small nations, mind you), we are committing one of vastly larger proportions as these words are being written. Who has given NATO the authority to attack Yugoslavia? What exactly is the Kosovo Liberation Army (regularly described as a terrorist organization less than a year ago) on whose side we are now entering this conflict? How, and with whose financial backing, did it emerge as a fully equipped army complete with anti-tank weapons, uniforms and grenade launchers? What is its connection to U.S. intelligence and, as recently reported in the London Times, to organized crime and the heroin trade? If NATO has become an instrument of terror against the virtually defenceless population of our former ally - and it has - Canada should reconsider its membership in that organization. --- DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] Homosexuals in the Military:OR Homosexual, Control Fiends and Pedophiles
-Caveat Lector- Hey let's do this, apply the authors logic to God. I have not seen Him/Her display any responsibility for His/Her creation. Given His/Her track record, I certainly wouldn't want Him/Her in a foxhole next to me. Not only do I not know His/Her sexuality, He/She has shown no interest what so ever in the workings of mankind, all the way up to and including the death of his/her own son! The authors bias is appalling and an insult to every person on the planet. You just gave it the name "homosexual". If you, 1lls0081 wrote this piece, I urge you to get help. It is bigoted concepts like these that lead to young black men being dragged behind cars, and young gay men to be murdered. Their blood is own your hands. God help you, but then again given your logic, there's a fat chance of that. But in this case, I don't blame Him/Her! eeford 1lls0081 wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/sci_fi.htm http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/homo.htm Homosexuals in the Military OR Homosexual, Control Fiend, Pedophile Homosexuals: Who or What is Really Hiding in the Closet? (The Military as an Example) Many people would define the homosexual lifestyle as one of promiscuity. The reason for this is that homosexuals seem to be like the legendary "Peter Pan." By refusing to commit to someone of the opposite sex, they normally do not have to worry about the responsibility of children, much less the responsibility of a commitment. Also if they do decide to break off the relationship they normally do not have to worry about the legal tangles of divorce. Should admitted homosexuals that are seen as promiscuous, unable to make commitments, and unwilling to take on responsibility for other people be allowed to serve in the military? In the military you have to trust that the person next to you is Reliable enough that they won't get you killed. The military oath is a promise to defend the country. The contract that you are required to sign upon being accepted into the military is a commitment. Being in the military, means that you are responsible for the people you work with and that they are responsible for you. What kind of person do you want to depend on? Would you rather depend on someone that is willing to take on commitments of religion and family, or would you rather have to depend on someone that has a noncommittal lifestyle. By signing up in the military, you are signing an agreement that allows other people to control your life. So if the people that you are allowing to tell you what to do with your life were to require that you have to live with a person that doesn't seem to care about anything other than themselves, it seems as if the concept of trust and teamwork might get lost. Those same concepts of trust and teamwork are concepts the military can not afford to lose. Often the military is a large part of the first contact that the United States will have with other cultures. Since they often have the responsibility of dealing with people from other cultures, they need to be perceived as stable and responsible. If people in the military, are perceived by other countries as allowed to have idiosyncrasies such as this, will the other countries be enthusiastic about allowing our military to help when they have problems. The military image requires that the people of the military be true to the most stringent standards that their culture has. If you can not take pride yourself and your own culture, how can you understand the pride that someone else has in their culture. True homosexuals have decided what sex they are and what life style they want to follow. True homosexuals have seldom if ever been known to rape a heterosexual. This is usually, if not always done by those that use sex as a control feature. These controlling personalities are really in the closet! Because if the real truth were known, they usually are willing to have sex with any person - male or female of any age. These control fiends are the type to have a physical relationship with a single or divorce mother and also think nothing of having a relationship with here male OR female child. These control fiends are the ones that think that a child (as young as six) is old enough to decide their sexual orientation and to have a physical relationship, at six, based on that design. They refer to the child's parents, as people that have a slave mentality, and that want to keep the child from making an immediate choice. They are the main ones that would like to see homosexuals completely accepted since it will be harder to question these control fiends at that time. Some countries have been sympathetic to the American Homosexual. Iceland has an overwhelmingly female population - I think the current ratio is five females births to every one male birth, and
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[CTRL] Scholarship: Ayn Rand
-Caveat Lector- From http://chronicle.com/colloquy/99/rand/background.htm Ayn Rand Has Finally Caught the Attention of Scholars New books and research projects involve philosophy, political theory, literary criticism, and feminism By JEFF SHARLET New York Sipping a drink atop this city's tallest skyscraper, decked out in a gray, pinstriped, double-breasted suit, his brown eyes unblinking as he declares his commitment to "total freedom," Chris Matthew Sciabarra knows that he might easily be mistaken for a "Randroid." "Randroids," he explains, are true believers. They believe in the truth according to Ayn Rand, and only Ayn Rand. Mr. Sciabarra adores the writer best-known for her novels The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, in which she insisted that selfishness is a moral path, and that only capitalism can set the world free. But although he's a card-carrying member of the Ayn Rand Society, he views her with a degree of skepticism. He is Rand's most vocal champion in academe, a status that demands he help to open the long-closed circle of Randianism to new perspectives. Along with a small but growing movement of philosophers, political theorists, and literary critics, he thinks that Rand, who died in 1982, will soon take her rightful place in the hearts and minds of scholars. As co-editor, with Mimi Reisel Gladstein, of the recent Feminist Interpretations of Ayn Rand (Penn State University Press) and author of Ayn Rand: The Russian Radical (Penn State, 1995), Mr. Sciabarra, a visiting scholar at New York University, is riding the crest of a Randian wave. Like born-again Christians recalling the moment of their salvation, many Randians remember their own conversions -- to laissez-faire capitalism, selfishness, atheism, and the objective truth -- with a mixture of reverence and amusement at their former selves. Mr. Sciabarra credits his own first encounter as the source of his ability to distinguish between himself and the uber-men of Rand's novels. As a high-school senior daunted by the heft of The Fountainhead, he was more intrigued by Rand's slim Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal. "Unlike virtually everyone who has come to Rand," he says, "I devoured her entire nonfiction before reading any of her fiction. I think that saved me from becoming a true believer." Mr. Sciabarra pauses for reflection, stares into the dusk at the tiny flame of the Statue of Liberty in the harbor beneath the World Trade Center, and takes another drink. He is sipping seltzer, not a martini, and when he says he's a "man of ideas," it comes out Brooklyn-style: "idears." That's fine by him. "I never wanted to be Howard Roark," he says. Howard Roark, the "cold-eyed" and "contemptuous-lipped" architect of The Fountainhead, who designed buildings too beautiful for a mediocre world, is "[m]an as man should be," in Rand's words. "The self-sufficient, the self-confident, the end of ends. ... Above all, the man who lives for himself -- as living for oneself should be understood." If that strikes you as circular logic, you can turn to the book's afterword, by Leonard Peikoff, self-proclaimed intellectual heir to Rand and executor of her estate. "Objectivism," he clarifies, "defines the abstract principles by which a man must think and act if he is to live the life proper to man." Although such phrases make perfect sense to Mr. Sciabarra, he throws his hands in the air when he thinks of how his colleagues in academe must understand -- or misunderstand -- such self-satisfied words. "I know they laugh at Rand," he laments. And even though he's enough of a free thinker to share a chuckle himself from time to time, he'd like the laughter to stop. Randians often have taken comfort in the phenomenal sales of her books -- 30 million and counting, at a pace of several hundred thousand a year. Now her academic followers can point to the sales of Mr. Sciabarra's book as proof that she's not just for the masses. At 8,500 copies sold, The Russian Radical has hardly vaulted to the popularity of Atlas Shrugged, but it's a best seller for a university press like Penn State. Sanford G. Thatcher, director of the press, sees The Russian Radical and Feminist Interpretations as turning points. "A lot of what had been written before was done from a cultish viewpoint," he says. "The effort here is to bring Rand into dialogue with other thinkers, the way Marx or Jung were brought out of their narrow circle of devotees." He also notes that Rand "sells a lot of books." Other presses want a piece of the action. In addition to Mr. Sciabarra's two volumes, new books are forthcoming or in process on Rand's aesthetics, moral philosophy, relevance to the philosophy of science, and stormy relationship with libertarianism. A journal of Rand literary studies is in the works, and the Twayne Masterworks Studies, published by Macmillan, will soon include volumes on The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. Gene H. Bell-Villada, chairman of the Romance-languages
Re: [CTRL] Homosexuals in the Military:OR Homosexual, Control Fiends and Pedophiles
-Caveat Lector- Edward Ford wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hey let's do this, apply the authors logic to God. I have not seen Him/Her display any responsibility for His/Her creation. Given His/Her track record, I certainly wouldn't want Him/Her in a foxhole next to me. Not only do I not know His/Her sexuality, He/She has shown no interest what so ever in the workings of mankind, all the way up to and including the death of his/her own son! Is it possible to teach people to read? I DID no say that they had or Should leave or be kicked out!!! The authors bias is appalling and an insult to every person on the planet. You just gave it the name "homosexual". Many Homosexuals have a level of self discipline that makes the pope look like a goof off. OK. Maybe I should not go - Quite - that far, but have you seen what it takes for a woman to get dressed up. Think of what it takes for a cross dresser. Many managed to look better than I did when I was in my twenties! If you, 1lls0081 wrote this piece, I urge you to get help. It is bigoted concepts like these that lead to young black men being dragged behind cars, and young gay men to be murdered. Their blood is own your hands. It is people like you that would have the blood of homosexuals on your hands. The ones that would kill homosexuals to make this kind of point are the ones that want the homosexuals to run point for them. The kind of people that "might" read Hustler. God help you, but then again given your logic, there's a fat chance of that. But in this case, I don't blame Him/Her! Now for the regular, run of the mill person that has a same sex orientation. They are normally not a sadist, or controlling. Well, not any more so than a man that has complete control of a female when he is lying on top of her. Would you call the missionary position - Sadistic or controlling? That testosterone should be good for something (up, down - you get the idea) for my view point I think it is workable. Some have been lead to believe that they should have been born the opposite sex because of the fact that many animals can switch sexes. Take a laying hen, there have been some that have gone from a fertile hen to a fertile rooster. Many fish are capable of changing sex as well. Males that produce eggs in their testes, and think that they should have been born female. This can be cause by Organophosphates. Then to the current scoop on chemicals (New 2 Nov 98) http://www.enn.com/news/enn-stories/1998/10/102998/chemical.asp "Concerned that endocrine disrupters were causing fetal development problems and adversely affecting male sperm counts, in 1996 Congress passed the Food Quality Protection Act and amendments to the Safe Drinking Water Act. In part, that legislation required EPA to develop new chemical testing techniques. " "As an example, LeBlanc points to incidents such as the discovery of demasculinized alligators in Florida's Lake Apopka. The demasculinization may be caused by accidental spills or improper disposal of chemicals and may not indicate an exposure problem of the general population. " http://biology.usgs.gov/frog.html(New 17 Nov 98) take a look at the map and think of couples that are trying to have children. http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/narcam/reports/reports.htm Men that wear underwear that they can put ICE in so that their testicles will be cool enough to produce sperm. and wonder... World Wildlife Fund - chemicals in the environment - http://www.worldwildlife.org/toxics/(New 17 Nov 98) "In the end we will only love what we know and we will only protect what we love" Find more about Health Canada's perspective on antibacterial soaps at (New 04 Nov 98) http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpb/lcdc/publicat/ccdr/97vol23/vol23s7/index.html I like the fact that there are males on this planet. Companies do not want to be sued and foresee the fact that they will just clone your child IF you want one. This current war on a small "mainly" agricultural country, that will have to take loans from the world bank and will probably have to import food now instead of being able to grow "possibly" (organic) food? Are we going to hide our heads in the sand? If this comes out the even the KKK will lay of homosexuals, consider these chemicals are going to de - masculinate the KKK too. Wonder what a KKK'er sounds like in Sapporo? Just thoughts- Yours, Laura - ex-NCO of the United States Air Force aka The Pied Piper PS - Just between you and me. I was more worried about getting raped by a cilivian MALE then worrying about any of the females in the barracks. Difference? I knew I was a female and that my orientation was Heterosexual it would have been the same as if a male had propositioned me that I did not want - he would be slapped. You imply that
[CTRL] Unraveling Kingdom
-Caveat Lector- From Irish Times Wednesday, April 7, 1999 SNP strategy to win power in Scottish parliament By Douglas Fraser, in Edinburgh Britain: The historic battle for the future of Scotland's place in the United Kingdom began formally as the Scottish National Party set out an audacious strategy to win power in the first Scottish parliament for nearly 300 years. Mr Alex Salmond, the 44-year-old economist who has led the SNP for nine years, has embarked on a high risk strategy for the May 6th ballot of promising higher tax than the Labour Party and also being strongly critical of the NATO action in Yugoslavia. Having faced flak for describing the bombings as "unpardonable folly" in an official broadcast statement last week, he used the campaign launch in Edinburgh yesterday to back Mr John Bruton's initiative on a ceasefire, urging the British government to give it full consideration. Although the SNP remains firmly committed to a referendum on independence within the first four-year term of the Scottish parliament, its 10 election pledges published yesterday put independence as lowest priority. Instead, the party is flying in the face of conventional political wisdom by featuring its promise to reinstate a one penny in the pound tax cut made last month by Chancellor Mr Gordon Brown. The "Penny for Scotland" campaign attempts to place the SNP to the left of Labour as the party of public services, with £230 million sterling per year of additional spending for schools, hospitals and housing. This is in addition to a £50 million per year promise to abolish student tuition fees, which were introduced last autumn for the whole of the UK. The stress at yesterday's campaign launch was on the choice between "A penny for Scotland", or London Labour's "tax bribe", in an attempt to portray the governing party as under the tight control of Prime Minister Tony Blair and his team. Labour, which was due to launch its campaign this morning, brought its counter-attack forward by a day, having latched on to a campaign theme intended to stress the costs of "divorce" from the UK. This must be the first time in political history that a separatist party tried to hide its separatist intentions - a single plank party trying to hide its one plank, claimed Mr Donald Dewar, the Scottish Labour leader. Although the SNP has only six seats in the House of Commons, and Labour has 55, the SNP surged in the polls, peaking last summer 14 points ahead of Labour. But recent polls have shown a very clear lead opening up in favour of Labour. However, in a new proportional voting system, it is likely no party will have overall control, making it likely that the Liberal Democrats could hold the balance of power. Rachel Donnelly adds: Launching its latest slogan promising "a new beginning for Wales" the nationalist Plaid Cymru party fired the first shot in the campaign for the Welsh Assembly elections which began yesterday, claiming public support for the party was the highest in its 75-year history. The Plaid Cymru president, Mr Dafydd Wigley, warned Labour the election campaign would not be a one-horse race. "We have made up tremendous ground since the general election," he said, "and have fully established ourselves as the only credible alternative to Labour in Wales." Recent opinion polls show that Plaid Cymru is gaining popular support in Wales. It has steadily increased its support among voters from 10 per cent at the election in May 1997 to 29 per cent on the latest figures. From http://www.manxman.co.im/cleague/index.html#aims Aims of The Celtic League The fundamental aim of the Celtic League is to contribute, as an international organisation, to the struggles of the six Celtic nations to secure or win their political, cultural, social and economic freedom. This includes: - fostering co-operation between Celtic peoples. - developing the consciousness of the special relationship and solidarity between them. - making our national struggles and achievements better known abroad. - campaigning for a formal association of Celtic nations to take place once two or more of them have achieved self-government. - advocating the use of the national resources of each of the Celtic countries for the benefit of all its people. These aims are pursued by non-violent means. The Role The Celtic League in Our National Struggles On an internal level, the role of the Celtic League is secondary to that of the national organisations which work for the rebuilding of our respective nations as fully integrated communities. At an inter-Celtic level we should promote exchanges and facilitate acquaintance of people from different Celtic countries with one another to strengthen our solidarity. On the external level, we should let other peoples know that the Celts are determined to
[CTRL] Fw: International Perspectives on the NATO Bombing
AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Every great advance in natural knowledge has involved the absolute rejection of authority. -Thomas Huxley+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 3:40 PM Subject: International Perspectives on the NATO Bombing Institute for Public Accuracy 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * [EMAIL PROTECTED] __2 P.M. Eastern Time -- Wednesday, April 7, 1999INTERNATIONAL PERSPECTIVES ON THE NATO BOMBINGROBERT GREENBERG, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.unc.edu/~rdgreenb Assistant professor of Slavic Languages and Literatures at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and author of the forthcoming "Language and Ethnic Identity in the Former Yugoslavia," Greenberg said today: "Milosevic is looking for an exit strategy, with the cease-fire proposal and the possibility of the U.S. soldiers being released. We just don't seem to want to deal with him. I don't see the benefit of continuing to risk killing Yugoslav civilians and to risk losing any of our pilots. We should have some sort of resumption of negotiations; it's an opportunity to cooperate with the Russians in finding a way out... Rambouillet was a take-it-or-be-bombed deal. That is not giving diplomacy a fair chance to succeed."DMITRI GLINSKI VASSILIEV, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dmitri Glinski Vassiliev is a research associate at George Washington University and co-author of the forthcoming "Market Bolshevism: The Tragedy of Russia's Reforms." He said: "The bombing of Yugoslavia has endangered U.S.-Russian relations in a way unprecedented since the early 1980s. Polls show that 92 percent of Russians condemn the bombings, and 70,000 young people have registered as would-be volunteers for Yugoslavia. U.S. actions have given a big boost to militant anti-American politicians in Russia. They may win the December elections and unseat Yevgenii Primakov's moderate reformist government that has been trying to abstain from an open confrontation with NATO. The American-led operation against Yugoslavia is an egregious violation of international law. The Clinton administration and its allies have arrogated the authority of the virtually defunct United Nations. The aggravation of the humanitarian disaster as a result of the bombing undermines the claims that Cold War institutions could be converted to humanitarian purposes."ROBERT WEIL, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author of "Red Cat, White Cat: China and the Contradictions of 'Market Socialism,'" Weil said about Chinese Premier Zhurongji's current visit to the U.S.: "There is apparently real outrage in China, as there is in Russia, about the bombing of Yugoslavia. They've been concerned about what they see as U.S. bullying -- a throwback to the 'great power' of the past, which the Chinese have a long history with. Broadly, the Chinese resent the drift of U.S. policy with Albright's 'we're the indispensable nation' view of the U.S. using force to pursue its global interests. Specifically, they're concerned about the U.S. intervening in a sovereign state while citing humanitarian reasons... The Chinese are also concerned about the missile defense systems in Asia that they see as threatening their strategic interests."For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy: Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; David Zupan, (541) 484-9167__ Marguerite L. Hiken * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Associate Director, Institute for Public Accuracy 65 Ninth Street, Suite 3, San Francisco, CA 94103 415-552-5378 * Fax: 415-552-6787 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.accuracy.org Email subject line "subscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to sign on to IPA's list. If you are a journalist, please include your name and outlet in the message.
Re: [CTRL] Fake Poll Seen
-Caveat Lector- Brian Redman wrote: -Caveat Lector- From Capitol Hill Blue, 4/7/99: The Rant I am, therefore I rant. . . The poll that wasn't They held a small celebration at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Tuesday. As celebrations go, it wasn't much of a gala, but things to celebrate have been few and far between at the House of Clinton these days. The celebration came with a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll that says a majority of Americans now support Bill Clinton's Kosovo war and would also support the use of ground troops. So there were a few high-fives and back slaps issued as the the illusion masters of the Clinton administration congratulated themselves on yet another propaganda victory. A week of televised images of Kosovo refugees had paid off. Bill Clinton now has the American public behind him. Or does he? Like Bill Clinton's Presidency, the poll released Tuesday appears to be more than it really is. The poll was conducted by Hart Research, a Democratic polling firm whose clients include many Democratic members of Congress, the AFL-CIO and a President named William Jefferson Clinton. Fred Yang, the Senior Vice President for Hart, often writes articles that offer "the Democratic perspective" on issues for magazines like Campaigns and Elections. Before the key questions were asked, those polled were told: "As you may know, hundreds of thousands of civilians have been forced to leave Kosovo." And the question on ground troops was worded to invoke emotion: "Would you favor or oppose a decision to send U.S. and NATO soldiers into Serbia if the Serbs continue to drive people out of Kosovo?" In the polling business, this is called stacking the deck, wording the questions in a way to make sure you get the answers you want. "If you want an honest poll about the actions of a Democratic president, you don't hire a pollster who works for the Democratic party. Hart is considered one of the most partisan firms around," says Dr. Ralph Bakke, a retired professor who taught demographics and polling. "You either hire an independent pollster or you hire polling firms from both sides and aggregate their results." US News World Report, for example, publishes a series of "battleground" polls that uses both Democratic and Republican pollsters. NBC and the Wall Street Journal, however, chose to go the partisan route and the results of their poll gave them just the story they wanted to trumpet in print and over the airwaves today. There are many things you can call this: Cooking the books and stacking the deck are just two. One thing you can't call this is honest journalism. --Doug Thompson Founder, Publisher Editor Capitol Hill Blue _ Did you all notice that NO polls were presented to the public for almost two weeks. Isn't it curious that the polls being televised show support for the White House. Does anyone know which PR firms are handling this war? Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What is this??
-Caveat Lector- For it looks to me, as if the old ones of Ireland following the rising of the full moon.for all you astrology lovers out there, and to Mr. Shannon...I do not drink, just because I am Irish.doesnot necessarily mean that I drink.there was a day so I used to sit with the boys (not the girls mind you) but the boys, and match them drink for drink... Colleen, Why did you single ME out in this post? And what exactly are you trying to say? I guess you lost me! You know us dumb brunettes... Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
