Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I am getting tired of this too since some people seem to be deliberately blurring the lines because of some propaganda machine. The following pages have a lot of possible answers so take your pick. Laura I have neither the time, energy nor desire to sort through all that. I have a life. It's time consuming. It's also a lot more important to me than anyone's web page, even yours. So answer my one simple question. What's the proof that Bush is a pedophile? Be specific. I'd really like to know because I hate the SOB and want to know all the dirt there is to know about him. But I don't want to say anything about him I can't prove because that just helps him and makes me look bad. I don't want to help him. I want to hinder him. That takes proof. Where is it? Be specific. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: If homosexuals can use government land so can Boy Scouts If homosexuals can advocate a singular form of sex - so can Boy Scouts JUST because homosexuals can say that they are open to heterosexuals joining would be like Wicca saying that they are open to Catholics joining Would Catholics do so, Would heterosexuals do so. There are animal rights groups and others that like to eat animals they both get to use the same funds. Well, yeah, but what does that have to do with it? How does the recent Supreme Court decision in favor of the Boy Scouts have anything to do with "anybody but the government being able to use public land" What funds in particular are you talking about? The only fair solution is this: Either everybody who uses the public lands pays the same fees, or everybody who uses public lands pays no fee. Both plans are fair. But if some pay and some don't, that is unfair. If the government decides who pays and who doesn't pay, and does so on the basis of some religious precept, that's also unconstitutional. If the Boy Scouts get a break even though they promote religious beliefs, why not Catholics, why not Wiccans. For that matter, why not Satanists? If the Church of Satan fields a scouting group, should they get free access to public lands while I have to pay a fee? I think not. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Gay Youth Suicide Myth
The Gay Youth Suicide Myth by Peter LaBarbera Peter LaBarbera, a former reporter for The Washington Times, is executive director of Accuracy in Academia, a Washington, D.C.-based group that monitors bias in higher education. He is also publisher of The Lambda Report on Homosexuality, a quarterly newspaper focusing on the activities of the homosexual rights movement. For information on AIA or The Lambda Report on Homosexuality, call Mr. LaBarbera at 202-364-3085. The rate of suicide has nearly tripled among young people since 1965.[1] Efforts to discover the root causes of this epidemic of self-inflicted violence must be dispassionate and free of politics. However, homosexual activists have manipulated this national tragedy to promote their political agenda. Voicing concern over suicide risk for "gay youth," homosexual activists are pushing pro-homosexual programs in the schools, which will invariably ensnare vulnerable teens who might otherwise have avoided the destructive homosexual lifestyle. Their diagnosis: gay youths need affirmation of their homosexuality in a "homophobic" world, or they may become suicidal. The proffered solution: affirmation programs that make gay youths comfortable with being homosexual and the rest of the student population comfortable with the concept of homosexuality. Once everyone accepts homosexuality as "normal" and "natural," gay youth will achieve high self-esteem and avoid suicidal behavior. But this view is based on the aims and values of the gay activist movement, not on any solid scientific assessment. For starters, it ignores the possibility that homosexuality is a condition-apart from societal acceptance or nonacceptance-that often leads to unhealthy behavior, which leads to unhappiness. The genesis of the homosexual teen suicide myth lies in a deeply flawed and pro-homosexual report by San Francisco homosexual activist Paul Gibson. The paper, "Gay Male and Lesbian Youth Suicide," was included, as a supporting document, in a 1989 report by a special federal task force on youth suicide reporting to Dr. Louis Sullivan, former Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS). However, Secretary Sullivan repudiated and distanced his department from the Gibson paper: ...the views expressed in the paper entitled 'Gay Male and Lesbian Youth Suicide' do not in any way represent my personal beliefs or the policy of this Department.[2]Sullivan went on to say: Indeed, I am strongly committed to advancing traditional family values. Federal policies must be crafted with great care so as to strengthen rather than undermine the institution of the family. In my opinion, the views expressed in the paper run contrary to that aim.[3] Dr. David Shaffer, one of the country's leading authorities on suicide among youth, notes that Gibson's paper "was never subjected to the rigorous peer review that is required for publication in a scientific journal and contained no new research findings."[4] The following are some of Gibson's most tendentious and oft-repeated claims: gay and lesbian youths may account for one third of all youth suicides; homosexual youths are two to three times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual peers; suicide is the leading cause of death among gay and lesbian youth; and gay youth suicide is caused by the internalization of "homophobia" and violence directed at gays.[5] Although Gibson's report was denounced by Secretary Sullivan, homosexual activists have skillfully used it to claim that "government statistics" support their suicide assertions. Pro-gay articles routinely (and mistakenly) cite Gibson's unproven statistics as part of the HHS task force's official conclusions on youth suicide.[6] Gibson himself has declined an interview with the author to discuss his controversial assertions.[7] In Massachusetts, a recently established Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth set up by Republican Gov. William Weld relied almost exclusively on Gibson's unpublished HHS paper to warn ominously of a gay teen suicide epidemic. Gibson's exaggerated claims became the central rationale for creating a sweeping pro-gay counseling program in the state's schools.[8] In an interview in The Advocate, a national gay magazine, Governor Weld, curiously, uses a Gibson-derived statistic to justify the program while at the same time seemingly acknowledging that this program
[CTRL] [prj] Re: The CIA Environmentalism
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From: "Lloyd Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Alex Constantine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [prj] Re: The CIA Environmentalism
Date: Friday, September 08, 2000 5:28 AM
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Alex, I think you are going overboard in attempting
to impute "conservative" philosophy to the CIA.
The CIA has a foot in every camp. Its has agents,
formal and informal, embodying all the major
ideologies. Not because any one of these ideologies
represent the CIA viewpoint, but because that is
what they need for their power manipulations.
Through this approach they have veto power and/or
public opinion power when the "chips are down".
For every "conservative" with CIA connects you can
be shown a "liberal" with CIA connects in this or
earlier eras. _The Liberal Conspiracy: The Congress
for Cultrual Freedom and the Struggle for the Mind of
Postwar Europe_ by Peter Coleman is one of many
books documenting this.
A good example is the membership of Geoge Bush
in the National Rifle Association. When the chips
were down regarding the Clinton Administrations
gun control initiatives, Bush torpedoed the NRA by
condemning the NRA for their "jack-booted thugs"
rhetoric. Bush was not a member of
the NRA because the CIA wants the American people
to be armed. He was there to deliver the death blow
to a successful campaign the NRA was conducting
with the rhetoric of "Jack-Booted Thugs", referring
Federal Agents. A campaign that could have struck
a moral blow the the uncontrolled and escalating
police Statism of the Federal Government.
Lloyd
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From: "Alex Constantine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Lloyd" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:33 AM
Subject: The CIA Environmentalism
Roger Meiners, CIA Economist
(Suffer the Rat) and Big Business
Contemporary Authors (vol. 110, p. 351) provides this background
information on noted economist Roger Evert Meiners, Professor of Economics
at the University of Texas-Arlington:
Personal: Born December 28, 1848, in Walla Walla, Wash.; son of
Eugene E. (an Air Force officer) and Mary Jane Washington State
University, BA, 1970; University of Arizona, MA, 1972; Virginia
Polytechnic Institute and State University, PhD, (1976)
Career {highlights]: CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, Washington, D.C.,
economics intern in the Office of Economic Research, summer, 1973-4.
John M. Olin fellow at Law and Economics Center, 1975-78.
Adjunct scholar, Heritage Foundation.
CIA propagandists are templars of corporate interests. They have long
shaped conservative thought in academia. Thus the participation of Roger
Meiners in a book that disparages environmentalism as "tyranny" and equips
land barons with oily, pro-corporate rhetoric in the guise of a "dramatic
report" on the "nationwide rebellion to defend private property rights
against environmentalist tyranny," an argument reiterated as the theme of a
recent two-hour Fox News (R. Ailes) Network documentary.
LAND RIGHTS
The 1990s' Property Rights Rebellion
edited by Bruce Yandle
(reviewed by Jim Powell, June 1995)
Unless you've been on the receiving end of environmental laws, it's hard
to grasp the terrible tyrannical power they have unleashed. This gripping
book documents environmentalist tyranny, reports on the heartening
rebellion against it and provides information which can help government
victims can
seek justice.
Contributors include Roger E. Meiners, CIA.
Alex Constantine
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Re: [CTRL] thankfully, this work is banned=Tyranny in Canada?
From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nessie you are too young probably to remember a song called Horsement in the Sky but it hit the Hit Parade big shotly after WWII As I recall it was sung by Vaughn Monroe who also wrote Racing With The Moon.. Vaughn Monroe did not write Racing With The Moon, nor the song you refer to in the first paragraph, which presumably is "Ghost Riders In The Sky", which has also been sung by many other singers and groups...Monroe was just a singer. Monroe also sang "Dance Ballerina, Dance"...perhaps you'll enlighten us as to how THAT applies to your vast conspiratorial cosmology? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion
From: "Yardbird" [EMAIL PROTECTED] You don't consider an active, Presidentially approved attempt to deny the BSA their constitutional rights a conspiracy? Where in the Constitution does a private group, especially one pushing a narrow religious agenda, receive a guarantee of receiving public funds or the use of public facilities? If the BSA wishes to maintain their narrow religious stance that is their right, and no one is denying them that right. What they ARE being denied is the continued use of public funds and facilities, which is no private group's 'right'... That's what it comes down to, the right of the individual/private group With the emphasis on PRIVATE... to associate with whomever THEY choose and not who the multiculturally diversified totalitarians demand they associate with. Exactly. But they then shouldn't expect the government to pick up their tab. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion
From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only fair solution is this: Either everybody who uses the public lands pays the same fees, or everybody who uses public lands pays no fee. Both plans are fair. But if some pay and some don't, that is unfair. If the government decides who pays and who doesn't pay, and does so on the basis of some religious precept, that's also unconstitutional. If the Boy Scouts get a break even though they promote religious beliefs, why not Catholics, why not Wiccans. For that matter, why not Satanists? If the Church of Satan fields a scouting group, should they get free access to public lands while I have to pay a fee? I think not. When discussing the utilization of public facilities by private groups, do not restrict yourself to discussing the occasional camp out in public parks. What is more common is that the Boy Scouts have been allowed to use local public schools for their meetings at no cost, and some states like Massachusetts are now questioning continuing this policy. It comes down to the fact that public facilities -- whether a park or a local school, should be accessible to THE PUBLIC, which includes people of ALL races, faiths, sexual orientation. If a group wishing to utilize public facilities excludes anyone based on race, faith, or sexual orientation, then they should not be allowed use of such public facilities (or be given public funds)...and that includes not only the BSA, but any religious group be it a weekly Catholic catechism class (as was done in my public elementary school back when I attended), Wiccans, or Satanists. And if it is decided to allow one -- like that catechism class -- then ALL must be allowed, and that WOULD include the Church of Satan... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New poll shows Gore with 100%
Subject:New poll shows Gore with 100% (the current state of the media) ©2000 Degenerate Propaganda Media, Inc. September 16, 2000 New poll shows Gore with 100% Hillary Clinton: Choice of the Little People Gore Holds Solid Lock on Presidency. No point in Republicans even going to the polls. WASHINGTON - Vice President Gore has surged to an insurmountable 100-to-Zero lead over his hapless Republican challenger, George Whatsisname. "It's over," says one unnamed source. "Bush had a chance, but he was no match for the brilliant and personable Albert Gore, Jr., hero of Viet Nam and aphrodisiac to millions of women, who swoon in his presence." President Gore "There's probably seven or eight dyslexics out there in flyover country who still plan to vote for Bush, but that's about it," said political science professor Thomas Goonzer. "By my calculations, everyone else is for Gore. Certainly everyone here on campus is." "Everyone who's anyone is for Gore," explained 1960's folk singer Stringyhair. "Bush is just icky. Nobody's for him." According to the poll, Gore leads in every demographic segment, in every area of the country, on every single issue. Literally everyone is for him. Gore campaign Diversity Coordinator Donna Brazile said, "Our campaign appeals equally to men, women, children, gays, lesbians, transgendered Native Americans, the spics, the kikes, the beaners, African-American women, the krauts, the polacks, the micks, the frogs, the gooks, and the crackers." This is the first time in polling history that a candidate has secured 100% of the vote in a major media poll. "It's testimony to the powerful appeal of the Gore campaign to literally everyone," said Gore spokesman Chris Lehane. "We'd like to thank the media for coming up with this result." ROCHESTER - Hundreds of peasants and nobodies lined the streets of this rural hamlet yesterday to watch and wave as the lovely and talented Hillary! sped through town on her way to the City. "I saw her limousine!" said Annette Shoemaker. "I breathed her exhaust! Now I have to vote for her." Mrs. Shoemakers's reaction was typical among the little people who form the core of Hillary!'s support. Hillary!'s popularity among the yahoos who inhabit upstate New York has risen in recent weeks. The tragic shooting of her former opponent, Rick Lazio, in an apparent robbery attempt at a Starbuck's coffee shop in Ithaca has added almost four points to her polling numbers. "That's not enough," said Alexis Herman, Secretary of Labor during the Hillary Administration. "There will be more killings unless we get these numbers up!" Speculation on who her eventual opponent will be has settled on a fellow in a devil costume who calls himself "the doctor." He is the only Republican in the state who has promised to remain in the country through the election. All other prospective nominees announced they would flee to Bosnia or some other safe place if nominated. -- Kathleen ...the entire debate of hate crimes contributes to the devaluing of human life, by suggesting that one life should be more protected than another. Our response must be that every life is valuable, and harm to one life should be penalized with the full force of the law, no matter the motive. --Janet Parshall A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ABC: An Arkansas Grudge
From: http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/wag.html ABC NEWS NEW YORK, Sept. 17 Snip An Arkansas Grudge By Josh Gerstein Whom does President Clinton blame for the ongoing effort to strip him of his law license? The media. But the Beltway press corps neednt brace itself for another onslaught from the occupant of the Oval Office. He lays this one squarely at the doors of Little Rocks daily newspaper, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. In an interview last month with the Washington Post, Mr. Clinton made clear that he believes that the decision an Arkansas Supreme Court committee made in May to seek his disbarment was the product of his political enemies at the Democrat-Gazette. They basically intimidated all the good people off that committee, Clinton said. In February, the paper reported that five of the 14 people eligible for the panel that would handle Clintons case had donated money to one of Clintons campaigns or to other Democratic efforts. The Democrat-Gazette ran a few more stories as panelists recused themselves. About eight people ended up stepping aside. In the end, a group of six Arkansas citizens concluded that Clintons conduct in the Paula Jones civil case violated bar rules and that he should be disbarred. Within hours after the decision was made, White House aides suggested to reporters that those who remained on the committee were biased. One Senate Democrat called the panel a kangaroo court. (The paper later reported that four of the six who considered Clintons case had voted Democratic in recent elections.) Clinton said the owners of the Democrat-Gazette had it in for him long before they drove the Gannett-owned Arkansas Gazette under and bought its assets in 1991. The president complained to Post reporter John Harris that the Democrat and its successor was in a tirade daily against us. The Democrat-Gazettes editorial page has certainly not minced words about its position. Disbar the shyster, read the headline on one in a series of withering editorials the newspaper has published on the subject. So its understandable that Clinton waxes nostalgic for the old Gazette. It was one of the great progressive newspapers in America for decades, he said. Arkansas, I believe, was hurt by the fact that the Arkansas Gazette couldnt go on. (In its article based on the interview, the Post indicated that Clinton believed that members of the committee had been hectored into recusing themselves, but the story didnt say that the president blamed the Democrat-Gazette for the pressure. The full transcript of the interview was released on Thursday by the White House.) Josh Gerstein has covered the White House for ABCNEWS since 1997. Copyright ©2000 ABC News Internet Ventures. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: TWA800 Info
From: FIRO http://flight800.org Dear Citizen: TWA Flight 800 crashed off the coast of Long Island, NY in the summer of 1996. Over 600 eyewitnesses were interviewed by the FBI. NOT ONE witness was ever allowed to testify at ANY public or closed-door hearing on the crash. See the second article, linked below Lead FBI TWA investigator James Kallstrom said the U.S. Navy conducted "classified maneuvers" on the night of the crash. To THIS day, the Navy is hiding information from the night of the crash about "the movement of significant Naval units" under a cloak of "National Security." See the first article, linked below, for the full story. 1) "National Security Invoked Regarding TWA Flight 800" at: http://flight800.org/nat_security.htm Discusses the Navy's decision to invoke "national security" to hide information concerning "the movement of significant naval units" on the night Flight 800 crashed. Details various ship movements near the crash site and highlights the closest ship (3 miles), which the FBI has been unable to identify. 2) "The Eyewitnesses: A brief review of official declarations" at: http://flight800.org/witness_review.htm Discusses the gathering and analysis of eyewitness evidence in the federal investigation of TWA Flight 800. Astonishing, contradictory stances taken by the National Transportation Safety Board Witness Group are revealed. FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO TEN (10) OF YOUR FRIENDS, co-workers, and/or acquaintances if you find the articles interesting. Provided as a free service from Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization (FIRO)- http://flight800.org Tom Stalcup Chair, FIRO http://flight800.org PS: To receive similar, free updates directly, sign up at the bottom of the Flight800.org main page. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Home Schooling was Holocaust Museum Sued [response to multiple emails]
--- tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a far wiser coarse in my opinion to actually DO something to make things better where you CAN than to just bemoan how bad it is. This is what is being advocated here, and I think it is sensible. If you don't like the schools then try to change them, but in the meantime take your kids out if it worries you. Responding to this, and also to an off list email about home schooling being off-topic, here's why I think it IS on-topic: Home schooling is an anti-conspiracy tactic. Government schools are IMO a socially acceptible, easily achieved means of changing children from people to sheeple, of indoctrinating them into advocates of the NWO. In other words, the schools are part of the conspiracy. Conspiracy theory research includes, as far as I know, not only exposing the conspiracies, but also devising methods to counter them, to protect one's family, especially one's children. And, if anyone on the list is considering home schooling, by all means, feel free to contact me off list for advice, links, emotional support (it's hard at first, but it gets easier), etc. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DSL Leaves Some Customers Fuming
The phone companies don't have a clue how to manage an Internet business. DSL is not a big deal. These publicly-regulated local phone companies are just incredibly incompetent regarding Internet technology. I know. My PacBell experience is just unbelievable... Steve) We have Bell Atlantic/Verizon, which was mentioned in the article. As soon as cable modem is available in our area (within the next month or so), we are getting that, and a cell phone (through our long-distance provider), and tossing the landline completely. In the last year, our phone bill has gone from $17 a month to $45 a month, just for basic charges. That does not include one minute of toll calls. Verizon has proposed to the Public Utilities commission not only a basic rate increase, but REQUIRING customers to purchase 15 minutes of regional toll calls (in state; I use my long-distance carrier) AND a minimum of THREE custom calling features (Caller ID, call waiting etc.) which are now optional. At least the state ratepayer advocate brought this to light, giving consumers time to protest and/or plan alternatives. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Jesuit Oath
I couldn't find it in the urban legends pages, but I did a Yahoo search "Jesuit oath" and got over 1500 matches, and just scanning the titles of web pages on the first page of the search, gives me the gut feeling that it is, shall we say, less than completely authentic. Most of the sites listed were obvious anti-Catholic sites: Baptist, Christadelphian, other Protestant sites. If you can find it in a pro-Catholic site, or on a pro-Jesuit site, that would give it a greater air of authenticity. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mounties end probe of Promis
from: http://www.thestar.com/back_issues/ED2916/news/2916NEW08_NA-SPIES.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.thestar.com/back_issues/ED2916/news/2916NEW08_NA-SPIE S.html"The Toronto Star - News Story: Mounties end pr /A - September 16, 2000 Mounties end probe of Promis Their conclusion: RCMP not using rigged software By Valerie Lawton and Allan Thompson Toronto Star Ottawa Bureau OTTAWA - The RCMP claims it does not have controversial software that allegedly was rigged to allow foreign spies to peek into top-secret computer files. The force said yesterday that a lengthy national security investigation is shutting down. But the announcement is unlikely to end questions about the bizarre case. The developer of the software, called Promis, said an investigator suggested to him the probe was being wrapped up in a hurry to quell questions when the House of Commons resumes Monday. And an opposition politician vowed not to let the issue rest until the Mounties offer a better explanation. `I would ask why they made such an investment of time and resources and money to send people repeatedly to the United States to interview witnesses in the Promis-Inslaw affair . . . It doesn't make any sense.' - Bill Hamilton Owner of Promis creator Inslaw Inc. An RCMP spokesperson wouldn't explain why it's taken over a year and trips across North America by investigators to conclude the force isn't using Promis. ``The investigation . . . was to make sure that national security wasn't breached,'' said Staff Sergeant Mike Gaudet. ``We're saying today that we do not have Promis software.'' Four people interviewed by the Mounties - who used Promis spelled backward (simorp) in their e-mail address - have told The Star an RCMP investigator explicitly said the force does have Promis. The Star reported last month that the RCMP was investigating claims software used by the force and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service had a ``trap door'' to allow American and Israeli agents to eavesdrop. Promis was at the centre of a major U.S. scandal a decade ago. Bill and Nancy Hamilton, owners of Washington-based Inslaw Inc., which created Promis, accused the U.S. government of stealing their software. They also claim pirated versions were sold to intelligence agencies worldwide. Their story has been confirmed by two Israeli spies who've also alleged the software was fitted with a trap door - essentially a computer bug. Inslaw's Bill Hamilton said he has spoken with lead investigator Sean McDade dozens of times in recent months. ``I would ask why they made such an investment of time and resources and money to send people repeatedly to the United States to interview witnesses in the Promis-Inslaw affair if they had not done their homework to find out that they have any interest in the matter,'' Hamilton said. ``It doesn't make any sense, does it?'' Hamilton faxed The Star a statement on Thursday, a day before the RCMP's announcement, suggesting political concerns were pushing such a public comment ``because the House of Commons is about to come into session again and expects the RCMP to have a definitive answer about this software.'' Hamilton also accused McDade of changing his position on Promis. In the past, he said, McDade suggested the RCMP acquired Promis from a company in Massachusetts and it was modified by a Toronto firm. Yet just this week McDade said he was certain the force doesn't have Promis. Cheri Seymour, a California researcher interviewed by McDade - who took away thousands of pages of her research material - said yesterday: ``(McDade) said that they had a paper trail on the Promis software being purchased by the RCMP. He told me that.'' McDade, an Ottawa-Carleton regional police officer on secondment to the RCMP, has refused The Star's numerous requests for an interview. Gaudet refused to explain why the RCMP launched the investigation last year, even though the force adamantly denied in 1991 it had the software, or why it has taken some 18 months to determine whether software in the RCMP's own computers is Promis. Canadian Alliance MP Myron Thompson (Wild Rose) vowed to go after answers: ``It doesn't make sense that they traipse around the world and spend a lot of taxpayers' money investigating something that we're not involved in.'' Potter's field is bigger than Durham knows [Coyle] Children in war: The world awakes Legal Notice Copyright* 1996-2000 Toronto Star News - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are
[CTRL] [LeftLibertarian] CIA Creates Palestinian Intelligence!
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Samuel Konkin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LeftLibertarian] CIA Creates Palestinian Intelligence! Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 4:16 AM Did someone else post this when I wasn't looking (or haven't caught up to yet)? If not, this matches and exceeds the IRS training the newly-freed Russians how to collect taxes in 1992. Freely as ever, SEK3 [forwarded to me by John Fast] Special to World Tribune.com MIDDLE EAST NEWSLINE Saturday, June 17, 2000 RAMALLAH [MENL] -- U.S. intelligence is raising its profile in an effort to oversee and train Palestinian security officers amid heightened tension in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Palestinian Authority officials said the CIA will supervise the construction and operation of the Palestinian intelligence headquarters north of Jericho. The building as well as the training of PA security officers will be financed by the United States. The PA has also decided to build a new headquarters for the General Intelligence service in Ramallah. About 12 acres of land have already been allocated. Again, CIA officers will supervise and finance the construction as well as the installation of advanced surveillance and electronic equipment. PA officials said CIA officers are also training Force 17, the praetorian guard of PA Chairman Yasser Arafat. They said five CIA representatives are responsible for the supervision and training of the PA security officers. Opposition sources said the CIA and State Department funds several Palestinian institutions in the West Bank. They said CIA representatives have attend the interrogation of detained Palestinian opposition members. PA officials said the CIA officers are also involved in monitoring the security situation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as well as counterterrorism cooperation between Israel and the Palestinians. Israeli security sources report rising tension in the PA territories and have warned of new violence by the end of the month amid the stalemate in negotiations between Israel and the PA. Contact World Tribune.com at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (c) worldtribune.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ For educational and non-profit use only. Redistribution of copyright materials is restricted without the approval of copyright holders. +---+ | I N F O P A L | | P. O. Box 21506, Jerusalem, Palestine/Israel. | | Tel/Fax: +972-2-5327562 | | Fax: +1-775-415-7727 (US)| | +44-870-131-2672 (UK)| | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Web: http://www.infopal.org | Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry experiments. http://click.egroups.com/1/7077/6/_/643237/_/964340184/ Community email addresses: Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/LeftLibertarian Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
[CTRL] OEN 9/18/00
frm: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Global Financial Mafia FATF Speaks with Forked Tongue Of course WE can launder money: we're big countries and you're not. While few would bet their house and land that the industrialised nations and their handmaidens, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, OECD, the Financial Stability Forum and the Financial Action Task Force will change their course any time soon and drop their threat to impose sanctions against some Caribbean islands, it seems clear that some recent revelations have left them embarrassed, so much so that they dont know how to react. Heres what has happened. After an extensive investigations, the Swiss Federal Banking Commission has unearthed solid evidence that 19 major banks in Switzerland, Britain and the United States had a role in helping the late Nigerian military dictator, Sani Abacha, launder some US$660 million during the five years he was in office. According to the commission, more than half of the US$208 million that found itself into secret Swiss bank accounts was funnelled into Switzerland from Britain while a third flowed through United States banks. Just as bad, of the US$514 million of the stolen money that left Switzerland some US$219 million ended up in Britain. What makes the Abacha case so embarrassing for the United States and Britain in particular is that they are the driving forces behind an insidious campaign by the OECD, the Task Force and others to shut down the offshore financial services centres in the Caribbean on the grounds that they are havens for people intent on laundering dirty money. To achieve their goals, the OECD, the United States and Britain have raised the spectre of billions of dollars being laundered in the Caribbean. Of course, neither the United States nor Britain was on the list of potential money laundering havens around the world that was created by the FATF and the OECD. And they certainly dont face tough sanctions by next July if they fail to comply with OECD wishes. And how did officials of the Task Force, a group created by the OECD, respond to the report by the Swiss Federal Banking Commission? Basically, it declined to comment. The Financial Services Authority, the British regulator, didnt have much to say either. Our locus is to ensure there are adequate systems and controls, a spokesman was quoted as saying. Considering that the United States and Britain have taken the unprecedented step of warning their banks about financial dealings with both Antigua and the Bahamas, two key questions arise. The first: shouldnt Britain and the United States first clean up their mess at home before pointing a finger at other countries? The obvious answer is an emphatic yes. But the real world of the rich and the powerful doesn't operate that way. As Lester Bird, Antiguas Prime Minister, told the United Nations Millennium Summit the day after the Swiss released its findings, what the OECD was doing was wrong, dead wrong. The rule of law has become the rule of the jungle. Rules no longer apply, only might is right, he said. Barbados put it differently. We have noticed a tendency by the large and mighty members of the world community to exploit the very laudable precepts of the United Nations to maintain an unjust status quo or to impose unpalatable conditionalities on peaceful coexistence, said Billie Miller, the Deputy Prime Minister, in her address to the summit. She complained about the efforts of the OECD to direct our tax regime and stated that the organisations blacklisting of the offshore financial centres of small economies is a case in point. Now, the second question: how come the British and American banks didnt undertake the kind of scrutiny of the Abacha money laundering scheme that they are seeking to impose on the Caribbean? The answer: huge profits were at stake. If they had acted properly, the 19 banks involved would have passed up a golden opportunity to reap large profits from dirty money. The Financial Times of London put it well when it stated in an editorial that the problem arose, not because of rules to prevent money laundering but in their implementation by major industrial nations. Small wonder, then, that the agency created to deal with money laundering, the Financial Action Task Force, which was shouting loud and clear a few months ago about the situation in the Caribbean and other small jurisdictions, has suddenly lost its tongue. But if it had spoken, the FATF would have found itself accused of speaking with a forked tongue. In any case, its deafening silence spoke volumes. Nation Newspaper, Barbados (http://www.nationnews.com/StoryView.cfm?Record=596 1§ion=Business), September 11, 2000 - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia
Re: [CTRL] The Jesuit Oath
Well Tenorlove - it is Pope bashing and has been. My father was a Catholic - he knew the difference between propaganda and prophecywas a "messenger" during the WW. So - easy way to see things in proper perspective - look who is getting shot and murdered..three Kennedys, and Joe and John were WWII heros - and RFK murdered for taking on organized crime - and we had of course two Popes die suddenly and one thought of the Rosicrucian's goal to murder the pope..at least I did - so we have how many dead Kennedys now, and this last Pope gunned downimportant to conspirators people like the Pope and our President meet sudden death, in the open sight of others - preferable at high or low twelveMafia stuff. Kiss of death, so to put.MoJo. So who is so conspicous by their presense? Well Henry Kissinger if that guy is not cloned for such as hated man, he walks in safety does he not? Clinton is so paranoid yet seemingly not afriad or does he put up good show.especially during September, October, and November ..he has more Secret Service than the Pope has Jesuits. These are dangerous times...Rabin murdered, with a song in his pocket.Castro survies - he lives..little John John and little Princess of Wales,well conspicuous by their absence. Tony Blair is getting pretty deep now - he had to go to the Queen to ask permission to call emergencys.thought she was just a figure head? Ask her for permission to call emergency.and little Madeline Albright - Clinton sends her to the great Red Star Putin for permission for USA to beef up our security?That would be nice wouldnt it? Especially since now Russia and China are the former within 50 miles striking disance of USA and the latter how close to California allegedly can missile wipe out the Gay Pride State in how many minutes? Martin Luther King gunned down for dues check off by Union controlled by CFR President Jerry Wurf who invited him to dinner too? Marching with sanitation workers for dues check off.and Baby Bush - my goodness, all he said was he would never let a US Soldier wear a UN Uniform, and a sanitation dump truck almost assassinated him?What a way to go .. Now we had George Wallace too..what did all these people have in common - the one comon denominator? As the John Birch Socety once said - this is not a Jewish, Masonic, or Catholic ConspiracyI agree - it is a Zionist Conspiracy in collusion with UN and the golden rule is screw them, before they screw you. For it is the God Machine - Gold, Oil, and Drugs and natural resoures these people want and the bible is the Master Plan for Murder keyed to Stars and Testaments. So as the stomach churns and turns.don't lay it on the Jesuits - you know G. Gordon Liddy had Jesuit Training, and that Watergate Motelwe had the Judgment at the Watergate in Nehimiah.boy Huzzah - two men on a horse. But Liddy I guess bombed out of Jesuit school...but I say, someone got even. So we have a President who does not want to go..we have his wife who also wants to stay - why not, they have had a free ride for how long? They have had time to hire little people to steal the family jewells for them but as the public watches this cheap soap opera, they cannot tell that which is real, from that which is unrealhey this is real...this man really is our President. Bring back Dan Quayle or was that Quail.Free Challenger the Great Eagle and send him after those buzzards in attack mode. For We the People Shall Know the Truth, and as Huxley said, and The Truth Shall Make You Sick. Saba So Society of Jesus - your friendly spies ... like Henry Kissinger wearing his old sheepskinHenry, we hardly knew yee? A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy
[CTRL] NM: Debate Moderator Jim Lehrer is Our Guy, said Stephanopoulos
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff Monday September 18, 2000; 10:03 AM EDT Stephanopoulos: Debate Moderator Jim Lehrer is Our Guy Jim Lehrer, the PBS News Hour anchorman tapped by the so-called "bi-partisan" Presidential Debate Commission to preside over three October face-offs between Vice President Al Gore and Texas Governor George Bush, is so friendly towards the White House that a former top Clinton-Gore official once described him as "our moderator." Lehrer hosted two Clinton-Dole presidential commission debates and one Gore-Kemp vice presidential debate in 1996. At no point did the PBS newsman specifically raise the administration's Filegate scandal, which had broken just two four months before, or the burgeoning Chinagate scandal, which was then on the front pages of every newspaper in the country. A year after Clinton-Gore handily defeated Dole-Kemp at the polls, senior White House aide George Stephanopoulos admitted that the debate deck had been stacked against the GOP despite the commission's pretense towards bipartisanship: "We wanted the debates to be a non-event," Stephanopoulos revealed during a 1997 panel discussion on presidential politics. "As long as we would agree to Perot not being in it, we could get everything else we wanted going in. We got out time frame, we got our length, we got our moderator." PBS's pro-Democrat bias became even more apparent in July 1999, when several of its taxpayer funded outlets were caught helping the Democratic National Committee. After repeated denials of impropriety, two of the network's flagship stations, WGBH in Boston and WETA in Washington, D.C., admitted sharing their donor lists with the DNC. Others PBS outlets were also implicated in the federally subsidized fund-raising scam. The Presidential Debate Commission is currently involved in a joint venture with McNeil-Lehrer productions to produce a documentary on the history of presidential debates. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JUDICIAL WATCH PROBES SALE OF SLEEPOVERS IN LINCOLN BEDROOM AND CAMP DAVID
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 18, 2000
Contact: Richard Tomkins
(202) 646-5172
JUDICIAL WATCH PROBES SALE OF SLEEPOVERS IN LINCOLN BEDROOM AND
CAMP DAVID
Nolanda Hill Testified Mrs. Clinton Was Mastermind Of Sale Of
Trips On Trade Missions For Campaign Contributions In 1996
(Washington, D.C.) Judicial Watch is well underway in commencing
Freedom of Information Act ("FOIA") proceedings concerning Mrs.
Clinton's apparent sale of overnight sleepovers in the Lincoln
Bedroom and at Camp David in exchange for campaign contributions.
This parallels the testimony of Ms. Nolanda Hill, former Ron
Brown confidante and business partner, who provided sworn
testimony that former Commerce Secretary Brown had admitted to
her that Mrs. Clinton was the mastermind of the sale of seats on
trade missions.
Yesterday, Internet "guru" Matt Drudge reported that Democratic
donors stayed in the Lincoln Bedroom and at Camp David to raise
money for her during the current 2000 Senatorial campaign, even
when Mrs. Clinton was not in the White House, thereby calling
into question her "alibi" that these sleepovers were to become
"acquainted" with new friends.
"Mrs. Clinton obviously has no respect for the office of the
Presidency and the White House itself, and is willing to sell
anything for a cheap buck. It's no wonder she hasn't tried to
sell the President, who obviously himself is prone to go to the
highest bidder. Judicial Watch, which sparked the campaign
finance scandal through the October, 1996 testimony of John Huang
in its case against the Clinton-Gore Commerce Department, has
already filed FOIA requests and expects to soon file a lawsuit to
fully uncover the latest Clinton bribery scheme," stated
Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.
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[CTRL] WND: China's New War Fighting Skills - full report
China's New War Fighting Skills: Emerging threats to the U.S., India, Taiwan and the Asia/Pacific Region An American Foreign Policy Council investigation in Southeast Asia August 14-26, 2000 by Al Santoli http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith_news/golden.html = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Gay Youth Suicide Myth
Found my notes on this Gacy - in prison he called for Hustler Magazine, Playboy, and a bible. Most interesting parallel lines between Clinton and Gacy - for I believe Clinton is someone you could compare to a serial killer..slaughter of the innocents like Waco for instance what did he say "The Davidians murdered themselves". Now what does that comment have in comman with the Killer Clown Gacywho murdered 15 year old boy scout - JonBenet Style, virtually. You know Clinton just ran his own little Hustler epidemic in the Oval OfficeJimmy Carter and his sister Stapleton, of course - got in with born again Christian Larry Flynt - big bucks here, drugs the whole works. And Jimmy made his big story when he ws interviewed by Playboy..and of course, Gacy the Killer Clown who loved little kids, was a homosexual, a bi sexual, and a sodomist and then murdered it is said over 35 people, as I recallmostly all kids young people - hired male prostitutes - but Gacy liked to make the offer and this man liked to play Santa Claus too. Probably spent lots of times in public places, like rod side parks where little kiddies used to be able to go and feel safe - they like restrooms, and also bars when some of these kids get a little too high or need money for drugs. So what did Gacy say when he was caught with a crawl space full of dead bodies? Well one thing he told about reciting the 23rd psalm, reading it to his victim - "the Lord is my shepard:then he said of some of his victims, like Clinton: "they killed themselves"..with their own little ropes, like the Davidians "murdered themselves"... Like all those hemophiliacs in Canada - did they murder themselves with Clinton's polluted blood he spread about the world? Those two kids on the railroad track - did they murder themselves down there in Arkansas by falling to sleep on a railroad track" Vincent Foster "killed himself"...who knowswith all those alleged bank accounts he set up for whom? Gacy had his picture taken with Mrs Carter, the President's wife - and you could see Gacy's little S pin meaning he had clearance by Secret Servicejust put secret in front of anything and people go sex crazed. Gacy's parents were both Polish - not Irish as claimed by this one Nathan on list. Gacy had an IQ of 118 which is considered to be bright by some. But he still claimed some of these kids "killed themselves" and why - why they had put the cords about their own neckshe just buried the bodies ..they were killed in the same manner as little JonBenet Ramsey.these boys when being garoted to death 2 to 3 quick turns, wet their pants - and little JonBenet as did the little girl in the Moors murdrs both murdered Christmas Day, did. So call all this stuff just normal love..to each his own? These kids all murdered themselves.while like in Moors Murders.readings from the bible were played - church bells in Moors Murderswhile little kids were tortured. Strange - it would seem Gacy might have been using the bible as a come on too? Do we want sodomists in our Boys Scouts? I want them nowhere near me or mine. You know strange, while Gacy shoveled bodies under his crawl space and covered with lime, at Waco they bulldozed them over...little JonBenet was found in a basementso be on look for a sick twisted perverted Santa Claus or a Killer Clown someone who hung around ittle girls and beauty shows? Somehow I do not like clowns anymore - and be sure to gt your Santa Claus and Boy Scout Leadrs pedigress before letting your children near them. Suicidal homosexuals?That is right, as Gacy said "they kiled themselves", like Waco - Attorney Clinton said, "they murdered themselves, as he carried on with a prostitute who played Sodom and Gommorah in the Oval Office. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory
[CTRL] New Discovery At Los Alamos Fire Scene (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:27:53 -0600 From: Howard Bleicher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: New Discovery At Los Alamos Fire Scene The fire at Los Alamos has one significant consequence. A secret scientific document was discovered in a bunker whose security systems were mostly destroyed by the fire. This document was leaked to the public last weekend. Actually it reveals nothing that we didn't already suspect. But it does show that the government has known all along that besides arsenic, lead, mercury, radium, strontium, uranium and plutonium, one more extremely deadly and pervasive element also exists. Investigators at a major research institution have discovered the heaviest element known to science. This startling new discovery has been tentatively named Governmentium (Gv) but kept top secret for 50 years. This new element has no protons or electrons, thus having an atomic number of 0. It does, however, have 1 neutron, 125 deputy neutrons, 75 supervisory neutrons, and 111 team leader neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by a force called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since it has no electrons, Governmentium is inert. However, it can be detected as it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. According to the discoverers, a minute amount of Governmentium causes one reaction to take over four days to complete when it would normally take less than a second. Governmentium has a normal half-life of approximately three years; it does not decay but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the deputy neutrons, supervisory neutrons, and team leader neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium sample's mass will actually increase over time, since with each reorganization some of the morons inevitably become neutrons, forming new isotopes. This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to speculate that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as the "Critical Morass." [source unknown] = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Racism? Or Independence?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates15.html Racism? Or Independence? by Steven Yates Last week the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) released a series of "Intelligence Reports" purporting to reveal an upsurge in "white supremacist" and "racist" groups during the late 1990s. "A neo-Confederate movement, increasingly rife with white supremacists and racist ideology, is growing across America," cries the bold print of one of the lead documents, Rebels With a Cause. The document proceeds with the (probably true) allegation that a neo-Confederate movement has gained some momentum since July 1 of this year, when the Confederate flag was removed from the South Carolina State House Dome. But what are the real causes, and the real implications? One of the SPLCs chief targets is the Alabama-based League of the South, the leading group whose leaders speak openly of seceding from the Washington government and creating a Southern Republic. Other targeted groups include American Renaissance, the Council of Conservative Citizens, Sons of Confederate Veterans, the Confederate Society of America, the Heritage Preservation Association, the Southern Military Institute (a private academy that does not as yet exist apart from its website and fundraising efforts), the Southern Legal Resource Center, the Southern Party, the United Daughters of the Confederacy, the Rockford Institute, and - incredibly! - the Ludwig von Mises Institute. They also target the sole news periodical, a monthly, that presents news and commentary from a staunch pro-South point of view, the fledgling Edgefield Journal, based in the small town of Edgefield, South Carolina, west of Columbia. In fairness, some of these groups I had barely heard of despite my own League membership. I cannot vouch for or rail against the ideas attributed to them by the SPLC, never having seen a copy of American Renaissance, for example (the magazine apparently published by the organization of that name). I hardly need point out the likelihood that the groups in the above list are different from one another, with different aims and possibly different ideological perspectives. This makes tarring them all with the same brush fundamentally suspect. I will concentrate on those I know. Consider the Mises Institute. It was founded to recover from near-oblivion, study and have studied, and further develop, the ideas of Ludwig von Mises, a central figure in Austrian school economics. Mises was the author of Human Action and other paradigmatic works, following a perfectly respectable notion: that the methods of the human sciences cannot legitimately be modeled on the methods of physics. Hence the writings of Austrian school economists employ deductive reasoning from first premises, not reams of statistics and empirical models applicable only to this or that situation, or economy. One of Mises conclusions, for which he produces formidable and very detailed arguments, is that political interference in economic activity by the central state is bound to be destructive in the long run (there might be some short term benefits). The path to genuine prosperity, in the Misesian view, is a free market unhampered by government fetters, regulations, licensure laws, and restrictions. There is now an enormous literature devoted to this approach, including a quarterly refereed academic journal and an annual conference featuring scholars drawn from all over the world. The influence of the Austrian school in economics is being felt practically everywhere. While bound to be controversial and likely to receive more than a few blank stares of noncomprehension in this age of statism and low educational attainment, what we have here is hardly a picture of a "neo-Confederate" organization of "white supremacists" and "racists." Of course, one of the consequences of the idea that central-state interventions are harmful to all concerned is a rejection of such policies as affirmative action preferences - and we know how such rejections are invariably interpreted by left-liberals. Mises, of course, never applauded state-sanctioned chattel slavery any more than his intellectual descendents favor our present-day de facto slavery (paying almost 40 percent of our incomes into taxes). However, we do not find analyses of Mises views or of taxation in the SPLC report, because these would not serve the purpose of tarring all the opponents of Washington-centered statism with a single brush. How about the League of the South? It seems that the SPLC cannot even mention the name of the group without using the adjectives racist or white supremacist (or both) in tandem, or of describing it as a "hate group." This, to a logical mind, is known as
[CTRL] Rumills: Fw Dark Dreams; The War of Gog Magog
Not endorsed; Hope its a crock! From: Rayelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon Sep 18, 2000 1:22pm Subject: THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG THE WAR OF GOG AND MAGOG This scenario is dependent upon either side provoking the other. I look for it either way. IT SEEMS TO BE LOOMING IN THE NEAR. Most Christians and Jews believe that current events, as described in the predictions of Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Obediah, and John in Revelation, are to be rigidly prescribed according to God's calendar. Rabbi Michael Rood, a Messianic Jew, has stated that the modern Hebrew Calendar is off by about a month. Therefore, instead of Tishri 1, the first of Tishri, being on Sept. 30th of the Gregorian Calendar, it is actually on October 28th. This will alter the times of the occurrences of certain predicted events. According to Rabbi Rood, this would put Yom Kippur on November 7th. and Sikkott, which I believe is the "Feast of Tabernacles" on Nov. 14th. The Palestinian Arabs are expected to provoke a war against Israel any day soon, whether or not Yassir Arafat declares a separate Palestinian State. It could be that the Palestinians will attack a "holy Islamic site' and blame it on the Israelis. The likely site would be the Dome of the Rock, on the Temple Mount. This will stir the other Arab states to fury and they will begin to mobilize against Israel. When this occurs, according to prophecy, Israel will retaliate with nuclear weapons, destroying the Palestinian Arabs, who are the Biblical Philistines, and the House of Esau. The remaining Arabs of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, and probably the Islamic states of the Russian Federation, and perhaps with the aid of China, will attack Israel after protesting to the UN about Israel's "criminal acts." This is supposed to occur on Tishri 1 which will be October 28th by the Gregorian Calendar. The war will last about ten days, terminated by divine intervention by God, and ending just at Yom Kippur on November 7th, with the wiping out of the Islamic States and much of the Russian and Chinese army. Israel will then supposedly occupy her ancient lands now held by the Arabs... Russia and China, who will have also invaded Eastern Europe, will back off from attacking Israel and God will allow them to invade North America through Alaska, Canada, and the Gulf of Mexico. They will be aided by Cuba and Nicaragua. Nuclear submarines will attack both coasts, causing massive destruction and death to millions of Americans. Meanwhile, our Armies will be stranded overseas. At some point, President Clinton will request the United Nations to bring in a peacekeeping force. At about this time, with the Middle East war ending at the approximate time of the "Feast of Tabernacles," the location of the Ark of the Covenant will be revealed and the Antichrist will ride into Jerusalem on a donkey, and he will be announced as the "Messiah" of all Christians, Jews, Mohammedans and Buddhists, etc.. It is also believed that at this time that there will be a great outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and the 3 1/2 or seven year Tribulation will begin. Many Christians believe that this will also be the time of the Rapture of the forgiven faithful. The Antichrist will rapidly assume world power, with a world government which has its capitol in Jerusalem. It is theorized that he will soon intervene to stop the war in Europe and North America, but not before there has been much destruction. Initially he will be hailed as a peacemaker and as the recognized Jewish Messiah. There will be 18 months of "false peace," and he will fulfill his promise to rebuild the Jewish Temple. But the tribulation will have just begun for a slumbering America. The UN Forces will seize private weapons and property while executing most of the "useless eaters, the rebellious, the disabled, and the elderly. The Globalists will begin a program of progressive depopulation, and steadily more widespread mass murder, which includes the objective of racial cleansing of the darker races. At the top of globalist governance will be the corporate socialist elitists, who will preside over fiefdoms in a semi-feudal
Re: [CTRL] thankfully, this work is banned=Tyranny in Canada?
June as usual you speak and do not back up your claims. Vaughn Monroe and Pauline Pope wrote Racing with the Moon, th words - and Johnny Watson, wrote the music. Monroe was from Akron, Ohio and played here a lot - I had the opportunity to meet him once, and he ws much more handson in person than in the movies. Ghost Riders in the Sky and also Riders in the Sky - same song..your lack of knowledge sometimes is appalling but note you have brushed up on your grammar for one who sits back and corrects grammar and ends sentences with propositions.which I usually ignore. He had an orchestra and also at one time was to be an opera singer; he made several movies. Ghost Riders in the Sky - new movie Blues Brothrs has the four horsemen riding out of the sky and this is straight out of the revelations - beautiful scene, in particular the Behold the Pale Horse. Evidently June you do not now the psychological impact of music and how it is used and you know as much about music and singers no doubt as you do art. Next time you mouth off, check the factsor be a little more civil in correcting sam. Refer to Pop Music, Volume II, Revised - 1941 - there you will find who wrote Racing With the Moonand there was also a legend with regard to this song that I do not care to share with you. So much for mis and disinformation? Check your facts June. The KKK I might add organized the first American Legion..bet you did not know that did you, for this was and still is a powerful organization - the REAL Klan that is. Saba A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CIA Use of Nazi Research
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Alex Constantine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Lloyd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CIA Use of Nazi Research Date: Saturday, July 22, 2000 4:08 AM http://www.advweb.com/kw/misc/misc/kw_cia-nazi-info-share.html CIA Use of Nazi Research The following are not all Nazi war criminals hired to work for the U.S. though several are. All of them worked with such, and/or worked at similar unethical experiments. Dr. Sidney Gottlieb. Ex head CIA Chemical Biological Warfare program. Testified in congressional hearings about developing a system of running a pipe under a target's door to deliver incapacitating, poisonous or suggestibility increasing gas. Dr. Ray Teichler. Gottlieb's assistant, and CIA liason aty Edgewood Arsenal. Assistant to Edgewood Medical Laboratories division of human experimentation director. Karl Tauboeck. Nazi scientist constulting for the CIA. Friedrich Hoffman. Nazi scientist consulting for the CIA. Otto Ambrose. Worked for J. Peter Grace. Dr. Albert Klingman. Participated in joint CIA/Army program at Edgewood, got prison inmates for these experiments; also had a climatic control chamber. Edgewood Arsenal. Run by U.S. Army Chemical Corps, which had acquired 8 Nazi scientists. Dr. Robley Evans. Radiation in WW II, using some data from ongoing Nazi radiation experiments on humans, mostly by Dr. Boris Rajewski. Asked for conscientious objectors to be sent to him for this. Dr. Boris Rajewski. Nazi radiation experimentor. Gerhard Schubert. Nazi radiation experimentor, brought to the U.S. Hermann Daenzer. Nazi radiation experimentor, brought to the U.S. Wolfgang Luther. Nazi radiation experimentor, brought to the U.S. Dieter Strang. Nazi radiation experimentor, brought to the U.S. Arthur Demnitz. Nazi radiation experimentor, brought to the U.S. Dr. Robert Stone. Also requested and used Nazi data incl. Rajewski's report, later with Dr. Evans on the Nuclear Energy Propulsion for Airplanes Advisory Committee which tried to bring Rajewski to the U.S. Evans and Stone did classified radiation weapon development research for the AEC and military. Evans secretly a CIA consultant for their project to use radiation as a means of killing just one person. Col. Boris Pash. Started CIA radiation warfare research, had made CIA assassination teams from Nazi recruits, directed the Alsos Mission to locate and whitewash useful Nazi war criminals, and siezed 70,000 tons of uranium ore and radium. Dr. Webb Haymaker. Co-authored a book with Nazi scientist Hubertus Strughold. Co-developed Boron Neutron Capture Therapy (BNCT) from CIA ideas to use radiation to affect brain centers. They consulted with him on this. Boron is injected, and a neutron beam aimed at it in the brain, causing a "tiny nucear explosion." NO CURES, most patients died. Dr. William Swee. Co-developed BNCT. Worked in 1933 and 1934 in Nazi Germany, observed sterilization of unwitting epileptics by aiming radiation at their genitals from under a desk they were told to sit at, yet though he called this "outrageous behavior," he never revealed this to war crimes investigators. And if you think that the all-wise CIA must be excuseable as being privy to knowledge or having special competence we do not, consider this: "Think of it: thirty billion dollars a year goes to an intelligence establishment that cannot hire one spy in the south end of Mogadishu to pinpoint the location of a famous warlord who gives press interviews and broadcasts radio statements of defiance. Somalia has exposed the weakness of U.S. defense intelligence." - William Safire, N.Y. TIMES, Oct. 7, 1993 p. A29. End of File. Please send comments or suggestions about this page to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This web page created by Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used
Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS
Thank you so much tenebroust, I was beginning to think I was missing posts, etc. Also, I think we should remember our motto "Caveat Lector" for each reader to beware and judge for himself the validity of a post. Disinformation is fraught in conspiracies. It is also not a good idea to assume a post represents the poster's personal beliefs, either. If I post the Communist Manifesto, does that make me a communist? I think not. Many posts are sent for the dissemination of information only, maybe only to show what is being said on a particularly subject. To attribute that to the person's "own personal beliefs" is very presumptuous. As for being divisive, well, I am not the one inventing things that were allegedly said in order to rant against them for days. And shame on you-know-who for reacting to Kris' wanting a little peace of mind for his symposium! All I was going to do was greet newcomers and help them avoid the landmines and learn about our limited bandwidth! No coup d'etat planned. :) I am always available to any new folks if you have questions about how the list operates or posting, etc. Peace to All, Amelia - Original Message - From: "tenebroust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS There have been several list members who have made the accusation that the majority of pedophiles are homosexual in sexual orientation. That assertion was challenged and never successfully defended (at leat to my recollection). I don't believe it was ever stated by anyone that ALL pedophiles are homosexuals or that all homosexuals are pedophiles, so to my recollection, your assertion on that subject is correct. On Sat, 16 September 2000, Amelia wrote: June, Are you saying the two terms are mutually exclusive? While a person may have one primary sexual identity, it does not mean they are incapable of committing acts normally attributed to another identity. A person with a primary identity of being homosexual may or may not be capable of committing acts of pedophilia, the same as a heterosexual. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Stratfor.com Weekly update etc. I Could Tell You, But I'd Have to Kill You: The Cult of Classification in Intelligence
Stratfor.com's Weekly Global Intelligence Update - 18 September 2000 _ We knew it before it was news. Iran: Looking to Enter the Global Arms Market http://www.stratfor.com/MEAF/commentary/0009160054.htm Indonesia in Hot Water http://www.stratfor.com/asia/commentary/0009160215.htm _ I Could Tell You, But I'd Have to Kill You: The Cult of Classification in Intelligence 18 September 2000 Two people are alleged to commit strikingly similar offenses. One, Wen Ho Lee, spends a year in prison only to have an embarrassed government agree to a plea bargain. Another, John Deutsch, hasn't been charged with anything but watches as the investigation against him expands, and expands. Both cases perfectly illustrate one of the American intelligence community's greatest problems: the cult of classification, in which information both rare and commonplace is safeguarded with equal zeal. Both cases also illustrate the intense political pressures on intelligence and counterintelligence agencies, polluting the value of the nation's intelligence. These are the parts of our system that are broken, the ones that no one in Washington wants to talk about. The Lee case is stunning in many respects. But no more so than for this: Many people regularly mishandle classified information, befuddled at the complexity of regulations over what is classified and what is not. Most of these cases never become legal matters at all; they are handled administratively or simply ignored. Lee was probably singled out because U.S. intelligence discovered in China nuclear data similar to what Lee worked with at the laboratory. His plea bargain may mean that in learning the whereabouts of his missing tapes, the government may get what it wanted all along and uncover an espionage ring. But a second scenario now seems more plausible: Under intense political pressure from Washington, U.S. counter-intelligence grabbed the wrong guy. Either someone else passed sensitive information, similar to Lee's, to the Chinese government, or there was no spy network. The information itself was already so widely disseminated that the Chinese government could readily find it. Throughout the Lee case there was a recurrent theme: At least some of the material he was accused of stealing had already been published. This raises a series of fascinating questions. If something has already been published, does mishandling it or stealing it really constitute a crime? Did the Chinese government really have to penetrate Los Alamos National Laboratory to steal nuclear secrets or could an efficient open source intelligence operation have yielded what was needed? For the U.S. government, the question is more profound. Does anyone really know anymore which of the millions of bits of classified information are already in publicly accessible databases, books, articles and, of course, the Internet? The intelligence community underestimates the massive amounts of information available in the open source. In 1995, for instance, the Central Intelligence Agency held a competition to see who could gather the most information, most quickly, on Burundi. The winner was a Washington company, Open Source Solutions, which left the CIA team in the dust. In 24 hours, OSS compiled huge amounts of information, ranging from statistics to scholars; the CIA team finished dead last, compiling little more than their own World Factbook. Promote global intelligence. Forward this newsletter to your colleagues and friends! __ There is certainly vital information that must be protected from foreign espionage. These secrets worth saving should be held closely indeed. Far too much effort is being wasted protecting non- secrets, which allows vital secrets to slip through. In Washington,
[CTRL] Fwd: Antigravity experimenter arrested
A bit late, but interesting nonetheless http://www.amasci.com/weird/wsotw.html John Hutchison's Web Page NEWS FLASH POSTED SATURDAY, 18 MARCH 2000 John Hutchison Raided At Gunpoint By Canadian Police -- CLICK HERE FOR UPDATE Reporting From Shreveport, Louisiana UNITED STATES Word has been received this morning, Saturday, 18 March 2000, that John Hutchison has been raided at gunpoint by Canadian Police. John's apartment in New Westminster, British Columbia, was raided at 2 PM Friday, 17 March 2000, by gun-wielding police searching for firearms. An antique gun collection owned by Hutchison was confiscated in its entireity. According to Hutchison, a phone call was received at about 2 PM Friday, stating that it was the police, and asking John to answer his door. Hutchison states that there were 8 to 10 individuals pointing weapons at him, only two or three of whom were in uniform. The rest were dressed in dark clothing. Hutchison was handcuffed and placed on the outside steps while police searched the apartment. No warrant was claimed or shown at any time. Police stated only that there had been an anonymous complaint that firearms were being brought into the apartment. Police also called in an "electrical inspector" to examine John's lab equipment. This is the famous "Hutchison apparatus" with which John produces the renowned "Hutchison Effect." Additional individuals dressed in suits were brought in who took extensive photographs of the Hutchison apparatus. Hutchison indicates that these persons had an "official air" about them, and that they might be Government agents, especially given the confiscation of the original Hutchison lab, which took place while John was out of the country in 1990. None of these persons showed any identification. Those who have followed John's career of invention and innovation will recall that his first laboratory was forcibly seized by the Canadian Government on 24 February 1990 by the direct order of former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney. The Government has retained the lab in spite of a court order by Judge Paris of the Supreme Court of British Columbia to return it. A previous raid on John Hutchison's apartment involving his collection of antique firearms occured in 1978, and processing took two years. The confiscated antiques were returned at the order of Judge Cronin. These events occured under the administration of former PM Pierre Trudeau. Former PM Joe Clark, who took over in the 1980s following the Trudeau administration, wrote to Hutchison offering help and support. The present raid follows close on the heels of a recent successful levitation performed 11 October 1999 which was videotaped by John. The effect was achieved after six days worth of attempts. However, neighbors called local police to complain about Hutchison's experiment. It is unclear whether something in their apartment levitated, although there is no other way known at this time that they could have been aware of the levitation experiment that was in progress. The neighbors in question live across the street from Hutchison. The sound of approaching sirens was recorded on the video soundtrack of Hutchison's camcorder during the experiment, and video of some emergency vehicles and personnel was obtained. Further updates on the situation will be posted promptly on this website. Mark A. Solis Shreveport, LA USA Webmaster for John Hutchison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[CTRL] CIA-DRUGS CONFERENCE, LOS ANGELES SEPT. 23,
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CIA-DRUGS CONFERENCE, LOS ANGELES SEPT. 23,
TO FEATURE ARKANSAS TRAIN DEATH MOTHERS
An all day CIA-Drugs Symposium featuring nationally known speakers will be
held in Los Angeles on Saturday, September 23 at Patriot Hall, 1816 S.
Figueroa Ave. in downtown Los Angeles. Doors will open at 8:30 AM and
Conference presentations will start at 9Am and run to 6 PM.
In the city where the crack cocaine epidemic began a special theme will be
an expression of unity for all the mothers of those affected. In addition to
a presentation from LA activists Donna Warren and Didon Kamathi, Linda Ives,
Jean Duffey and Mara Leveritt will make presentations as the mother,
prosecutor and author personally touched by the brutal murder of two
teenaged boys in the Arkansas countryside after they ran across CIA
connected drug smuggling in the 1980s.
Keynote speaker for the event will be noted author and UC Professor Peter
Dale Scott ("Iran-Contra Connection" and "Cocaine politics"). Additional
presentations will be made by FTW Publisher/Editor and former LAPD narc,
Mike Ruppert; retired DEA Agent Celerino Castillo; and author/producer
Daniel Hopsicker. Topics to be discussed will be the Colombian ground war,
already drawing U.S. troops, the recent Ninth Circuit Court decision
confirming evidence of CIA drug ties during the 1980s and much, much more.
Admission is on a sliding scale with a $10 donation suggested, but no one
will be turned away.
For additional information please contact conference organizer Kris Millegan
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877-642-8321 ext. 9696
Or visit the conference web site at www.cia-drugs.org
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Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
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Amen.
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Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS
-Caveat Lector- tenebroust wrote: There have been several list members who have made the accusation that the majority of pedophiles are homosexual in sexual orientation. That assertion was challenged and never successfully defended (at leat to my recollection). I don't believe it was ever stated by anyone that ALL pedophiles are homosexuals or that all homosexuals are pedophiles, so to my recollection, your assertion on that subject is correct. If all you base a relationship on is sex then it is possible for someone to want multiple sex partners that are as young as possible. Homosexual have been known to also be very cultured and to be impatient at those that are sloppy in their ideas and words. For an the normal Homosexual to be interested in an child that has very little to offer knowledge or in appreciation of the knowledge of their benefactor would be ---. On Sat, 16 September 2000, Amelia wrote: June, Are you saying the two terms are mutually exclusive? While a person may have one primary sexual identity, it does not mean they are incapable of committing acts normally attributed to another identity. A person with a primary identity of being homosexual may or may not be capable of committing acts of pedophilia, the same as a heterosexual. What is the difference between a male child and a female child to someone that is interested in sex with children? Their undeveloped bodies are the same. Also to your point that the person may be married to an alternate sex partner since they are incapable of indulging in a particular want, still if you going by an erroneous accusation that the person is a normal heterosexual as a base line. First you need to define what is your base line for a monogamous heterosexual marriage for that point to have validity. What should one call an adult male whose main sexual activity is with other adult males with opportunistic acts of pedophilia exclusively with male children? Probably a homosexual committing acts of pedophilia but that is a very lengthy PC phrase and not easily used by lay people on a casual email list. I went over this above in saying that the male and female child body is physically the same. Before menses the female child should have an even greater appeal since there is another orifice to use that an male child does not have. There is a greater stigma attached to molesting female children - at least in the United States - up to this time. The same sort of question could be applied to, for example, a pedophile who lives as a heterosexual with a wife and children, abstaining from pedophilia because of illegality/unavailability. Technically, this person could be labeled a "non-practicing pedophile." It is just too convoluted and easier to identify the person by what they are doing and that is probably why people do that. Do you know that they have abstained? I have not seen anybody on this list say that ALL homosexuals are pedophiles. Will somebody send me the portion of these posts that say that because I have missed it. I keep reading accusations that this one and that one is saying that but I cannot locate one instance of anybody claiming such a thing. Guess if you want to argue, one thing is as good as another. Amelia Bottom line: It does not matter to what degree they are when someone has sex with a child, no matter what their primary identify is, they are a sadist!! Laura aka ThePiedPiper 18Sept2000 - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS From: "Justine Blake" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had asked a homosexual pedophile There IS no such thing. There are heterosexuals, there are homosexuals, and there are pedophiles. -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson brbr My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 NEW http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/site_map.htm
[CTRL] Fw: Janet Poppins
-Caveat Lector- I apologize if this takes an inordinate amount of band width. I do not know how that works. Sending it at a time the list seems relatively quiet. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Amelia Kay Edgeman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:58 PM Subject: Janet Poppins http://www.crosscircuit.com/html/Musicals/JPoppins.html
[CTRL] New Max Com; Soviets still run Russia! I thought all this time it was the tooth fairy!
-Caveat Lector- All I can say is: 'no shit'. How amazing! Did anyone really think that power changes hands easily, without bloodshed and a lot of it? Do Americans really think that our present crop of robber barons (ie, read elected and non elected government and corporate elite) will treat them any better than their Russian counterparts? Veteran Journalist: 'Soviets' Still Run Russia NewsMax.com Monday, Sept. 18, 2000 The Soviet Union may have collapsed almost a decade ago, but the same people who ran Russia then still do today. That¹s the conclusion of veteran British journalist Patrick Cockburn, who last year went back to Moscow where he had served as a foreign correspondent in the 1980s. Cockburn believes that communist party barons saw Gorbachev¹s reforms during the 1980s as an opportunity for them to hang onto power and become capitalist princes. They did both. Writing in Britain¹s Independent newspaper, Cockburn explained that when Gorbachev launched his campaign to modernize the communist state and went after the local party bosses who had been running large areas of the Soviet Union for decades, he failed to understand that they would not go peacefully. "They got their revenge," he wrote "when they dissolved the Soviet Union in 1991. The key to the present state of Russia is that the final collapse of Communism came about because the party and state bureaucracy did not want change. They wanted to hang on to power and turn that power into money. By and large they have succeeded. They have done so because there was no popular revolution in 1991. The old ruling elite found that they could happily cohabit with the free-market reformers by turning themselves into capitalists." And they succeeded, picking the bones of the Soviet Union clean, while remaining in power. "It is difficult to think of any historical parallel with this mass looting of the state," Cockburn wrote. Secure in their fiefdoms, the men who had run all the state-owned industries simply sold the state¹s holdings to themselves at bargain basement prices, becoming multi-millionaires overnight. As a result, Russia has undergone the worst industrial decline of any nation in history. When Cockburn came back to Russia he discovered that "some 38 per cent of the population were living in extreme poverty." He quotes historian David Satter as writing, "In the period since 1992, the country's gross domestic product fell by half. This did not happen even under German occupation. Russia now resembles a classic third-world country, selling its raw materials oil, gas and precious metals in order to import consumer goods." Cockburn is less than optimistic about President Vladimir Putin¹s chances of making any real changes in the situation. He writes that Putin is in the same situation Gorbachev found himself in when he challenged the power of the local chieftains who rule much of Russia. Gorbachev, he recalls, tried to exercise control over the local party bosses in the provinces by charging them with corruption and trying to dismiss them. Putin, he says, wants to do much the same thing, relying on the power of the security forces. "He has appointed seven "super-governors" as his presidential envoys to reimpose the authority of the central government over Russia's 89 regions. It is unlikely that they will have much success. Local "dukes" stand at a pyramid of local interests dependent on the provincial governor. As Gorbachev discovered, they are not going to depart quietly into the political wilderness on orders from the Kremlin... "In the Eighties, the Soviet intelligentsia used to yearn for a "civil society", by which they meant a society which was not dominated by an all-powerful state. They somehow believed that Russia had a middle-class society in embryo, much like that in the US and Britain, which would emerge from its egg once state controls were lifted. "They forgot that the rulers of the Soviet state were also part of society. They were not going to disappear just because the state disintegrated. In the event, they lived on, sudden converts to the virtues of the free market, feeding, like vultures, on the carcass of the Soviet Union," Cockburn concluded.
[CTRL] Stephen Dunifer interview
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[CTRL] Neo-Confederates Want Out
-Caveat Lector- Neo-confederates want out of US http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,369585,00.html Special report: the US elections Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles Monday September 18, 2000 Tens of thousands of white southerners are reported to be joining organisations that seek independence from the rest of the US, claiming that the federal government no longer represents "southern values". Opponents say these neo-confederate groups are allowing militant and racist whites to organise politically under the guise of a heritage movement. Last week the Southern party, which advocates secession, won its first mayoral victory, in a village in Alabama. The party is an offshoot of a group called the League of the South, which says there has been a surge in its membership as white southerners become disillusioned with the "multiculturalism" of the main parties. The league is led by academics and cites as its inspiration such separatist movements as the Northern League in Italy. Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Centre, which has just completed a report on the growth of the southern movement, said it was "providing a veneer of moral legitimacy for people who would be embarrassed to join the [white supremacist Ku Klux] Klan". "White supremacists do not always come wearing Klan hoods, shaved heads or storm trooper outfits. Sometimes they boast business suits and PhDs," he said. The growth of the movement became apparent earlier this year when South Carolina bowed to national pressure and transferred the battle flag of the Confederacy from the dome of its statehouse to a nearby monument. Many see the flag as the symbol of a civil war fought to preserve slavery. "[The new-confederates] were bitterly angry about that," Mr Potok said. "That was a big loss." But flag issue gave them the chance to recruit whites who felt increasingly estranged from mainstream politics. The League of the South is led by a former history professor, Michael Hill, whose office is in Tuscoloosa, Alabama. Formed in 1994, it has about 9,000 members. It and other neo-confederate groups point to the break-up of the Soviet Union, the separatist Québécois movement in Canada, and the Northern League in Italy as examples of what is possible. As the League of the South is not a political party, some of its members formed the Southern party, which now has 2,000 members. Last week Wayne Willingham, 37, became its first successful candidate in a mayoral election, in the village of West Point, Alabama, where he beat the incumbent by a single vote. Mr Willingham described himself as "just an old country boy who's tired of things being done the way they are". The other main body in the southern movement is the Council of Conservative Citizens, which has about 15,000 members. It recently deplored on its website a music festival in Charleston, South Carolina, as a "multicultural mudbath [which] attracts mostly queers and weirdos". The Southern Poverty Law Centre's report, Rebels with a Cause, lists 14 different groups which it says operate in 25 states, mainly in the south, to promote the confederate cause. They include the Heritage Preservation Association which has declared "total war" on those who attack southern values and culture, and the Confederate States of America, a group which would like to repeal laws that gave citizenship to blacks and votes to women. The main theoretical journal of the movement is called American Renaissance. It is edited by a white separatist, Jared Taylor, a board member of the Council of Conservative Citizens. The magazine promotes such notions as blacks having smaller brains and the dangers of non-white immigration. The Edgefield Journal, "the only true southern nationalist newspaper", is the other main publication; a recent piece suggested that "many slaves were willing to be slaves". The groups are represented in court by Kirk Lyons, a lawyer who shows his affection for the "Anglo-Celtic" roots of the movement by dressing up periodically in a top hat and kilt. He has described Hitler as "probably the most misunderstood man in German history" and is now the chief lawyer acting on behalf of the Southern Legal Resource Centre, which is the movement's legal arm. Mr Potok says he accepts that not all who have joined the heritage movement are racists. "But a scene once dominated by civil war re-enactors and those who maintain Confederate monuments is turning increasingly ugly." Michael Hill is dismissive of Mr Potok's centre and its report, seeing the centre as a "snooping organisation for the federal government" out to "feather its own nest". The league was mainly interested in preserving the "symbols, language, cuisine and music" of the south. "We are seeking to preserve a distinct regional culture," Mr Hill told the Guardian, "and we believe in political independence". While he agreed that independence might be unrealistic now, he said that "in five, 10, 50 or 100 years" it
[CTRL] Iran-Contra Wen Ho Lee
September 18, 2000 Iran-Contra Wen Ho Lee http://www.consortiumnews.com/091800a.html By Robert Parry Over the last few years, Republicans have trumpeted suspicions that Democratic fund-raising abuses in 1996 somehow helped communist China steal nuclear secrets jeopardizing U.S. national security. Leading conservatives accused President Clinton and Vice President Gore of appeasement and possibly treason. The extreme Republican rhetoric, which rose in the months after President Clinton survived impeachment over the Monica Lewinsky case in 1999, set the stage for the harsh nine-month imprisonment of Los Alamos nuclear physicist Wen Ho Lee, who was released on Sept. 13 after a plea bargain and an extraordinary apology from a federal judge. Yet, ignored amid the dark suspicions about the Clinton-Gore administration and the embarrassing collapse of the Lee case was another startling set of facts pointing in a very different direction: to illegal U.S.-Chinese intelligence collaboration implicating the Reagan-Bush administration. Little-noticed evidence from the Iran-contra files reveals that it was the Reagan-Bush administration that opened the door to sharing sensitive national security secrets with communist China in the 1980s. This clandestine relationship evolved from Chinas agreement to supply sophisticated weapons to the Nicaraguan contras beginning in 1984, a deal with the White House that entrusted China with one of the governments most sensitive intelligence secrets, the existence of Oliver Norths contra supply network. In the years after that secretly brokered deal, the Republican administration permitted trips in which U.S. nuclear scientists, including physicist Wen Ho Lee, visited China in scientific exchange programs. Those visits corresponded with Chinas rapid development of sophisticated nuclear weapons, culminating in the apparent compromise of sensitive U.S. nuclear secrets by 1988. Seven years later, in 1995, a purported Chinese defector walked into the U.S. Embassy in Taiwan and turned over a document. Dated 1988, the document contained detailed information about U.S.-designed nuclear warheads. The document showed that Chinese intelligence possessed the secrets of the W-88 miniaturized nuclear bomb by the last year of Ronald Reagans presidency. Chinas first test of a light warhead similar to the W-88 was conducted in 1992, the last year of George H.W. Bushs presidency. In other words, the secrets of the W-88 the central concern about Chinese nuclear espionage had been compromised before the Clinton-Gore administration began. Logic would dictate then that any serious investigation into how Chinese intelligence maneuvered into a position to glean U.S. nuclear secrets should focus on the Reagan-Bush years when the secrets were lost, not the Clinton-Gore years. Chinas Missile Shipment An examination of the Reagan-Bush time frame and particularly the Iran-contra files reveal how Chinese military intelligence ingratiated itself with the U.S. government. In 1984, the Reagan-Bush administration was desperately seeking a source of anti-aircraft missiles that could be smuggled to the Nicaraguan contras, a CIA-backed operation that was seeking to overthrow the leftist Sandinista government of Nicaragua. By late 1984, the U.S. Congress had prohibited additional U.S. military support for the contras, who had developed an unsavory reputation for rampaging through Nicaraguan villages, raping, torturing and murdering as they went. One contra director acknowledged the practice of staging public executions of Nicaraguan government functionaries. [For details, see Robert Parrys Lost History.] Despite this congressional contra-aid ban, the White House was determined to secure surface-to-air missiles that the contras could use to shoot down Soviet-made attack helicopters that had become an effective weapon in the Nicaraguan governments arsenal. Operatives working secretly with Oliver North, a Marine officer assigned to the National Security Council staff, settled on China as a source for SA-7 missiles. In testimony at his 1989 Iran-contra trial, North called the securing of these weapons a very sensitive delivery. For the Chinese missile deal, North said he received help from the CIA in arranging false end-user certificates from the right-wing government of Guatemala. North testified that he had made arrangements with the Guatemalan government, using the people [CIA] director [William] Casey had given me. But China was opposed to the Guatemalan government, which was then engaged in a scorched-earth war against leftist guerrillas. Because the Guatemalan army had massacred tens of thousands of Indians including the annihilation of entire villages considered sympathetic to the guerrillas China was not willing to sell missiles to Guatemala. To resolve this problem, the White House brought the Chinese
[CTRL] George W.- Illuminati's Guy
-Caveat Lector- Secret Societal Satan by Clyde Lewis http://www.clydelewis.com/dis/societal/societal.html If the powers of secret societies are influential then the new President of the United States will be George Bush Jr. If major decisions are made by whispers in hushed tones in secret fraternal orders then your vote means nothing. If all the events that happen in the world are controlled by a small secret society from Yale University then there is no liberty. If clandestine brotherhoods are in collusion to control the world for their own benefit then we have limits on our freewill. In the United States it is evident that we have a love, hate relationship with our leaders. We put them above us and expect them to work for us only to shake our heads in dismay when they always seem to go back on their promises. Yet we always find someone else to love and place in a position of power to govern over us, only to despise when the leader falls short. Some ask, how is it that we continue to vote in leaders that have no regard for our opinions? Why do they always do what they want to do without listening to the public that put them there in the first place? Perhaps the answer is, as easy as admitting that we didn't put them there. Maybe it's as easy as admitting that while it appears that the major parties are divided on issues during rally's before elections, they truly have one agenda and that agenda is equally agreed upon in some secret meeting, for some unknown and mysterious reason. Perhaps the media itself has key figures in positions of power that belong to a society or group that has an agenda. Their job is to continue that agenda in order to keep control of the people. If we allow our minds to wander in the dark corridors of conspiracy theory and if we look at a preponderance of the evidence we can tell you with a straight face that the next President of the United States will be George Bush Jr. Even if you don't vote in the election it will be George Bush Jr. Even if he continues to get bad press it will be George Bush Jr. Even if he was the stupidest man on the planet it will be George Bush Jr. We say this only because we want to test the waters of Conspiracy theory. You may ask what conspiracy theory? What are you saying? How can you be so sure? It's easy. George Bush Jr. is a member of a fraternity that has had their hands in many things. A fraternity that has in it many members who control or have controlled many things that affect your life. This secret society or brotherhood is known as the Skull and Bones Society. The Skull and Bones society is a small group, however they have produced some of the well-known leaders that run the major companies, News organizations, and political parties. It has been called "America's little known Secret Establishment" which is rumored to have ties to secret Satanic combinations. The Satanic connection is more or less a coincidence when many have laid claim that the Skull and Bones society is an American version of the "Brotherhood of Death" and the German "Chapter #322." This allows conspiracy theorists and secret society watchdogs to connect the dots and point out that it was a "Brotherhood of death" secret fraternity that trained Adolf Hitler in the Thule Society, another alleged secret society that dabbled in the occult and paid homage to secret Gods of the underworld. The symbol of the Thule Society of course was a skull representing deaths head. There are many historic pictures and documentation of German Soldiers who would wear the skull and bones as insignia to show that they are a part of that fraternity of death. The Skull and Bones Society according to conspiracy buffs is only one stone in the pyramid of control. Many writers have connected groups such as Skull and Bones with the Trilateral Commission, The Council on foreign relations, 33rd degree masons, The Knights of Malta and others who apparently have secret initiation rights and have the rich and powerful as their members. These groups allegedly control what you see, and hear. They control major religions and are responsible for the goods and services that are available to you. They are also vocal about candidates that further their agenda and use their influence to sway a great number of people into falling in line with these said agendas that are "covers" to establish a fascist New World Order. These groups allegedly adhere to a philosophy known as the Hegelian Doctrine which we have talked about in previous articles discussing the "game" that is played by world powers. To refresh a memory, and to retread past theory, The Hegelian Doctrine or Principle where a unity of thought is created as a result of an agreed upon social threat. The ruling class offers solutions. The solution always, increases the ruling class's power and control over its people. The people agree to it because they believe that they do not have a choice. The thoughts and philosophies of Hegel are being felt
[CTRL] Sample letter to the editor on the United Nations
-Caveat Lector- To the editor, On October 24, 2000 the United Nations (http://www.un.org) will be 55 years old. Most if not all media commentators will again be editorializing in favor of the United Nations. I disagree with this opinion because of the following reasons. In the years since the United Nations was formed, we have had the Korean "Police Action" under the direction of the United Nations (note: no declaration of war from the United States Congress) through NATO in the early 1950's. The early 1960's saw enactment of State Department Document 7277 (log on to my website at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/stdk7277.html or log on to the State Department's website at http://www.state.gov in the archives section) into law which mandates the disarmament of both the United States and the Soviet Union, arming the United Nations and establishing a World Government under the United Nations. Also in the early 1960's, the United Nations forced the pro-western Katanga province of the Congo to be re-united with the pro-Communist central government of the Congo. Later in the 1960's, the United States got involved in the war in Vietnam as a result of the United Nations' SEATO treaty (Note: no declaration of war from the United States Congress). In the early 1990's, the United States attacked Iraq under United Nations' authority (note: no declaration of war from the United States Congress).The same thing can be said of our policy in the Balkans.This seems like a poor track record for he alleged "last hope for peace". For these and many more reasons I could cite, like under the United States Constitution, God given rights are guaranteed; under the United Nations Charter, your rights exist at the whim of the United Nations General Assembly. Therefore, I urge everybody to call and write your Federal Representative and your Federal Senators to support Ron Paul's HR 1146 which would get the United States out of the United Nations and the United Nations out of the United States. visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904
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[CTRL] Fw: Ducan Long's 'That was no accident'
-Caveat Lector- Fw Post: That Was No Accident By Duncan Long There¹s an old story about a cowpoke who was walking alongside his horse one day when he noticed a movement out of the corner of his eye. He turned to see a rattlesnake coiled to strike. Thinking fast, the cowboy jumped out of the way just as the snake struck, barely missing him. Latter, after telling his friends about the incident, one of them said, "You barely missed having one serious accident." The cowpoke thought about it a moment and drawled, "That wouldn¹t have been an accident, that critter aimed to bite me." That¹s the same sort of thing we¹re seeing now. The school shootings and various criminal assaults that are causing so much national grief aren¹t accidents. They¹re being done by people intent on killing and maiming, wanting to harm those around them in serious ways. The political actions that have brought this situation are no accident, either. It¹s no accident that these murderers are able to do their work almost unchecked. The most recent shooting in LA (on August 10, 1999) is the perfect example of how our governmental gas bags have betrayed us. They¹ve made it impossible for school officials to carry a gun for self defense, turning our schools into shooting zones for the lawless cowards looking for a place to do damage with little chance of running into any resistance. We should all take a moment to say thank you to the National Educators Association and gun grabbing politicians for letting these cowards kill our children. Am I being too hard on leaders who want to disarm citizens? I don¹t think so. Because most gun grabbers aren¹t stupid. They¹ve seen how concealed carry laws reduce violent crime. They know that the 20th Century¹s genocides were all proceeded by stringent gun control laws. They know all the pro-gun arguments you could probably make are most likely correct. Why, then, does the anti-gun crowd continue to call for more restrictions on guns? The first hint at the awful truth comes when you realize that for the most part, those intent on taking away our guns are also pro-abortion. How do these two views fit together and what do they mean? At first they seem illogical. Wouldn¹t you think that someone who was pro-abortion especially someone who was pro-abortion to the point that making partial-birth abortion legal would also be pro-gun. After all, if guns really kill people the way the anti-gun crowd claims, and if we really wanted to reduce the excess population, surely we would then want to dispense guns left and right instead of taking them away from people. Or would we? Studies show that guns in the hands of honest people reduce crime. And they do so for the most part without a shot being fired. Guns most often save lives by preventing the violent confrontation that takes place when the criminal is in charge, rather than a gun-welding citizen. Guns in honest people¹s hands aren¹t often used, but do stop a criminal in his efforts and force him to flee. Criminals with guns may kill, but honest citizens with guns seldom do. And honest citizens with guns often stop criminals before they can kill. Net result: Citizens with guns prevent deaths of innocent people. Citizens without guns result in more deaths of innocent people. If your intent is to reduce the population, then it makes perfect sense to be both pro-abortion and anti-gun. But are there people who really want to get you or your children killed by violent murderers in order to reduce the population? What would be gained in doing so? The motivation for getting the population of Earth from growing is hard for moral men and women to fathom. But if you throw away morality the benefits of reducing the population become chillingly logical. In the words of conservative commentator Lee Bellinger (writing in "Revealed: Why the Left Push So Hard for Population Control," The American Sentinel, No. 613, April 1998): ; Growing populations create pressure for competitive economies . Leftists in general, and environmentalists in particular, favor strong policies to reduce population growth (hence their anti-family agenda, including subsidized abortion, partial birth abortion and advocacy of teenagers being able to terminate pregnancies without parental consent or knowledge) . Consider: Growing populations cannot be fed by socialist economies. As the leaders of the now-defunct Soviet Union learned, unrestricted population growth creates unwelcome pressure for social and economic innovation. Unfortunately for socialists, the only proven system capable of generating advances in science and technology sufficient to accommodate global populations is free-enterprise... Were global population to decline, as leftists want, the sharing-in-scarcity credo of environmental socialists would become far more manageable (at least in their view) . Take North Korea its citizens starve from a "famine," when just a few miles South of the 38th Parallel the South Koreans are well
[CTRL] Drug Czar Wants To 'Check' Chess Players For Drug Use
-Caveat Lector- http://www.norml.org Drug Czar Wants To 'Check' Chess Players For Drug Use Washington, DC: In the September issue of Chess Life magazine, drug czar Barry McCaffrey published an article in which he suggests that tournament chess players should be tested for drugs. In the article, McCaffrey discussed an Office of National Drug Control Policy sponsored group, called Chesschild, which is a substance abuse prevention program conducted in libraries and schools which promotes drug-free lifestyles and chess. "Research proves that mentoring youngsters and teaching them that games like chess can build resilience in the face of illegal drug use and other destructive temptations," McCaffrey wrote. "Drug testing is as appropriate for chess players as for shot-putters, or any competitors who use their heads as well as their hands." "Just when I thought I'd heard it all from McCaffrey," said Allen St. Pierre, NORML Foundation Executive Director. "Drug testing for chess players? What's next from this over reaching drug czar? Drug testing for tiddly winks players? How about bingo players? Policy recommendations like this from ONDCP demonstrate a deep and disturbing pathology that goes well beyond opposing drug law reform efforts." For more information, please contact Allen St. Pierre, NORML Foundation Executive Director at (202) 483-8751. -- Kathleen The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. - Henry Ward Beecher
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[CTRL] Peru Gripped by Reports of Arrest of Spy Chief
-Caveat Lector- http://my.cnn.com/jbcl/cnews/Go?template=nmDethd=0sname=Worldsbc_id=26art_id =6031496uid=969325436280 Peru Gripped by Reports of Arrest of Spy Chief LIMA (Reuters) - Peru was gripped Monday by conflicting reports about whether its shadowy spy chief and most-feared man had been detained amid a full-scale political crisis that has thrown the South American nation into turmoil. Ana Montesinos, a woman identified by some local media as the sister of intelligence chief Vladimiro Montesinos, filed court papers alleging that her brother was being held illegally at the headquarters of the National Intelligence Service (SIN), the agency he turned into Peru's most notorious institution. Local CPN radio said he had been detained by the military -- stunning if true because Montesinos was believed to have handpicked the top brass and rallied them behind President Alberto Fujimori in his role as the president's key adviser. A bribery scandal involving Montesinos prompted Fujimori, who was elected in a tainted ballot in May, to make the bombshell announcement Saturday that he was disbanding the SIN, calling new elections and would not run again. He gave no timetable for the elections. The government did not officially confirm or deny that the detention had taken place, and some congressmen accused the wily spy chief and the military of playing games to buy themselves time to find a way out of the political crisis. Meanwhile, U.S. officials expressed concern that the Peruvian military may try to disrupt moves toward new elections and opposition leader Alejandro Toledo refused to rule out the possibility of a military coup. Opposition leaders, who have demanded the arrest of Montesinos, called on Fujimori to resign and make good on his promise to hold new elections. For 10 years, Montesinos, a 56-year-old former army captain who only rarely has been seen in public, has been viewed as the power behind Fujimori. Critics alleged that he spied for the Central Intelligence Agency, authorized death squads and colluded with drug traffickers. His downfall was a videotape that showed Montesinos giving $15,000 to an opposition lawmaker in an apparent bribe. FINANCIAL REPERCUSSIONS Opponents were jubilant over Fujimori's announcement but Peru, which is struggling to attract foreign investment, felt the pain as fleeing investors Monday pushed stocks down 5.72 percent, the sol currency down 0.6 percent and Brady bonds down 4 percent. Cesar Carmen Ojeda, the lawyer representing Ana Montesinos, said the woman had requested the release of Vladimiro Montesinos as a preventive measure. But he said he had no confirmation of the arrest. "We continue in absolute mystery," he told cable television Canal N. Ana Montesinos said her brother's detention -- if he has been detained -- was illegitimate because there was no investigation open into allegations he had paid bribes. U.S. officials, who were highly critical of Fujimori's fraud-tarnished re-election, said they were worried that the military may try to disrupt the moves toward fresh elections. "We have every reason to believe that this can be done in a peaceful manner, but that certainly is not 100 percent guaranteed," one U.S. official said in Washington. Toledo, the opposition presidential candidate who boycotted the May runoff election against Fujimori alleging it was skewed against him, urged the president to create a transition government that could hold elections in six months. "The democratic bloc is trying to coordinate actions, but anything could happen, from taking Montesinos into prison, to a military coup, to a resolution that I hope will be peaceful and democratic," he told CNN. OPPOSITION FORCES RALLY Toledo's supporters massed in downtown Lima ahead of what he called a peaceful rally. The last time Toledo led a mass protest, at Fujimori's swearing-in ceremony in July, six people died and Lima's streets became a smoky battleground. Fujimori's allies tried to allay fears that the military would step into any political vacuum. "The president is still in command and leading the armed forces. There is reason to worry about an alternative situation (coup)," said ruling-party Peru 2000 lawmaker Martha Chavez, a Fujimori stalwart. Chavez said the unicameral legislature could pass a law that would allow the new elections to be held in May 2001. "By July 28 we could have a new president," she said. The opposition has said it will not return to Congress to vote to approve an election date until Montesinos is definitely jailed. "If the president has said that it's over, that he will deactivate the intelligence service, he also has to comply with the law and see that criminals are jailed," Lima Mayor Alberto Andrade, a former presidential candidate, told CPN radio. Prime Minister Federico Salas said Sunday night Montesinos was still in Lima and had not been detained. Confirmation of his arrest would be the strongest indication yet of a break
Re: [CTRL] Look for the Union Label
-Caveat Lector- Joshua 1) Unlike the pre-WWII unions, they did not want to do away with Capitalism. MJ Learn the difference between PRIVATE and government. Joshua 2) They served as buffers between corporations and their workers. Just as the FDA, FCC, NLRB, and other "regulatory " agencies protect the companies from the citizens, the unions' purpose was to protect the corporate system from being overthrown from the work floor. MJ Yeah right. *I* for one would CERTAINLY want to ADD millions and millions of dollars to my COSTS ... not to mention the years and years until my product can be 'profittable'. Unions are for unions ... brokering THEIR Power. Too bad you buy so many MYTHS. Regard$, --MJ Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr
Re: [CTRL] NM: Debate Moderator Jim Lehrer is Our Guy, saidStephanopoulos
-Caveat Lector- All CFR. J2 === MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff Monday September 18, 2000; 10:03 AM EDT Stephanopoulos: Debate Moderator Jim Lehrer is Our Guy Jim Lehrer, the PBS News Hour anchorman tapped by the so-called "bi-partisan" Presidential Debate Commission to preside over three October face-offs between Vice President Al Gore and Texas Governor George Bush, is so friendly towards the White House that a former top Clinton-Gore official once described him as "our moderator." Lehrer hosted two Clinton-Dole presidential commission debates and one Gore-Kemp vice presidential debate in 1996. At no point did the PBS newsman specifically raise the administration's Filegate scandal, which had broken just two four months before, or the burgeoning Chinagate scandal, which was then on the front pages of every newspaper in the country. A year after Clinton-Gore handily defeated Dole-Kemp at the polls, senior White House aide George Stephanopoulos admitted that the debate deck had been stacked against the GOP despite the commission's pretense towards bipartisanship: "We wanted the debates to be a non-event," Stephanopoulos revealed during a 1997 panel discussion on presidential politics. "As long as we would agree to Perot not being in it, we could get everything else we wanted going in. We got out time frame, we got our length, we got our moderator." PBS's pro-Democrat bias became even more apparent in July 1999, when several of its taxpayer funded outlets were caught helping the Democratic National Committee. After repeated denials of impropriety, two of the network's flagship stations, WGBH in Boston and WETA in Washington, D.C., admitted sharing their donor lists with the DNC. Others PBS outlets were also implicated in the federally subsidized fund-raising scam. The Presidential Debate Commission is currently involved in a joint venture with McNeil-Lehrer productions to produce a documentary on the history of presidential debates. = -- CUT OUT THE MIDDLEMEN -- JUST VOTE FOR A CORPORATION
[CTRL] (Fwd) [consider.net] www.fantasyworldorder.com launches
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- News release - September 18, 2000 = www.fantasyworldorder.com launches to ask: where do you stand in the globalisation debate? Globalisation is in the news again. As the IMF/World Bank annual summit meets in Prague, fantasyworldorder.com launches an online game to cut through the confusion, hype and spin. Get to the real issues about world leaders, activists and NGO agendas to make your own decisions about global politics. Oxfam and Diageo plc support the project. The game has four easy stages: 1. Select a starting position from the five profiles available. 2. Answer 15 key questions on the main globalisation debating points. 3. The game will generate a final position based on your answers - your opinions may surprise you! 4. Lastly, you can build the globalisation policy profile of an ideal leader, a fantasy world leader. Site visitors can compare themselves with a list of all the final positions. A prize worth £250 will be offered to the best fantasy world leader profile entered. For details see http://www.fantasyworldorder.com Spencer Neal, Publisher of New Statesman, said on the launch of www.fantasyworldorder.com: "It's often hard to know what to think about the modern world - this games is innovative and exciting. It may help people think more about the issues." www.fantasyworldorder.com is a consider.net project, supported by New Statesman, Oxfam and Diageo plc. http://www.fantasyworldorder.com Contact: James Cully 020 7592 3605 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, open this link: http://www.consider.net/mailing.php3?Action=RemoveConfirmEmail=eu4ix%40gfherald .infi.net --- End of forwarded message --- AER Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust The libertarian therefore considers one of his prime educational tasks is to spread the demystification and desanctification of the State among its hapless subjects. His task is to demonstrate repeatedly and in depth that not only the emperor but even the "democratic" State has no clothes; that all governments subsist by exploitive rule over the public; and that such rule is the reverse of objective necessity. He strives to show that the existence of taxation and the State necessarily sets up a class division between the exploiting rulers and the exploited ruled. He seeks to show that the task of the court intellectuals who have always supported the State has ever been to weave mystification in order to induce the public to accept State rule and that these intellectuals obtain, in return, a share in the power and pelf extracted by the rulers from their deluded subjects. [[For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto, Murray N. Rothbard, Fox Wilkes, 1973, 1978, p. 25]]
[CTRL] Spying on politics
-Caveat Lector- http://www.vny.com/cf/news/upidetail.cfm?QID=119088 Monday, 18 September 2000 21:34 (ET) Spying on politics By MARTIN WALKER WASHINGTON, Sept. 18 (UPI) -- The sudden eruption in Britain of a Cold War-era spy scandal, with an alleged East German 'mole' inside the top London think-tank on international affairs, has thrown up a startling pattern of Soviet block espionage targeting not military secrets but peace movements and politics. The Stasi, the nickname for East Germany's State Security Service, claimed to have deployed at least 28 strategically-placed spies in the upper reaches of the British establishment. Three of them were providing reports from the heart of the then- ruling Conservative Party, headed by prime minister Margaret Thatcher. Another was providing documents prepared for the ruling body of the chief opposition party, the national executive committee of the Labor Party. And another was providing internal documents from the Social Democratic Party, a centrist and breakaway group from Labor that at one point threatened to overtake the parent party as the main challenger to Mrs. Thatcher's Conservatives. The presence of the Stasi mole code-named 'Eckart' inside the Royal Institute of International Affairs, did not come as news to MI5, Britain's veteran counter-intelligence operation. They had been tipped off under an intelligence-sharing agreement with the US- based Central Intelligence Agency, after CIA officers took advantage of the chaos in East Berlin after the 1989 fall of the Berlin Wall to plunder the Stasi files. But the presence - and political targets - of the remaining moles has remained secret until German code-breakers finally cracked the ciphers under which the British operational files were protected. The story broke in London over the weekend, after British academic Dr Anthony Glees, director of European politics at Brunel University, analyzed the decoded index to the Stasi files. "This is a unique and compelling archive, and the importance of its discovery should not be under-estimated", Dr Glees said. "We have long known that the Stasi were active in Britain at this time, but we have never before known exactly what they were doing. (This index) shows that British agents were able to provide the East German regime with key insights into the realities of British political and strategic thinking". That is the point. The conventional view of Cold War spying was that military and nuclear secrets were the main targets. But the work of the Stasi 28 in Britain suggests that East Berlin, reckoned by far the most loyal of the satellites of the Soviet block, was focusing instead on the inside story of politics and policy-making. There was a flurry of political protests in London against the recommendation by MI5 not to prosecute 'Eckart' under the Official Secrets Act. But MI5 sources claimed that it was "not at all clear that a conviction could be guaranteed", an indication that it might be difficult to prove that real secrets - as opposed to policy analysis - had been betrayed. Chatham House, as the Royal Institute of International Affairs is named after the 19th century prime minister who lived in the classic Georgian house on St James Square where the think-tank now boasts one of the finest addresses in London, is the place where Britain's foreign policy establishment thinks aloud. The favored setting for visiting dignitaries to deliver policy speeches, it also publishes 'International Affairs' , one of the world's top foreign policy quarterlies. It hosts academics and foreign policy specialists, and publishes a range of quasi-official policy papers. "But this is not a place that gets secrets in the classic sense", commented one insider yesterday. "This place is about discussing and disseminating foreign policy ideas and concepts, not about military hardware or war plans". Intelligence analysts have noted a similar pattern in the way the Stasi targeted Scandinavian countries like Sweden, Denmark and Norway. DESTA, (standing for Destabilization, Terrorism and Disinformation) is a highly-regarded Nordic newsletter on security affairs, devoted an entire issue this year to Stasi operations in Scandinavia, and again the focus on politics, rather than military secrets., is striking. The Norwegian agent Akker, recruited in 1966, specialized in reports of meetings between Social Democrat parties and leaders throughout Europe. Agent 'Toeppfer', also recruited in 1966, reported on diplomatic policy-making towards East Germany by various Western European countries. Other agents reported on Norwegian politics, on the formation of Norway's economic and foreign policies, and its links to the European Union. In Sweden, agent Kiesling was recruited in 1982 to report on the Swedish peace movement and its relations with similar groups inside the Soviet block. Agent 'Dom' specialized in reports on Sweden's anti-apartheid movement. Agent 'Martin' was
[CTRL] Back in the saddle again. And not a minute too soon.
-Caveat Lector- == Protest generation vows to grab reins of power as they prepare for battle of Prague Anti-globalisation campaigners attend training camp as bankers and ministers gather for IMF meeting By Justin Huggler in Dolni Slivno The Independent 18 September 2000 The world has a new protest generation, and it has arrived in Prague. As the city's five-star hotels fill up with the besuited bankers of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank, the people who have vowed to wreck this week's summit and wrest control of the world's economy from their grip are gathering on a disused farm in the village of Dolni Slivno, three miles north of the city. They have come from across the world: not only dreadlocked veterans of anti-capitalist campaigns, but many who have abandoned highly paid, white-collar jobs to be here, sleeping in the shell of a wrecked bus, or in an old barn with holes in the roof, and washing from a communal bucket. Protest is back, and it is uniting the young from across the social spectrum. Unlike the World Trade Organisation (WTO) meeting that protesters ruined in Seattle last year, the summit opening tomorrow is being held in a country directly affected by globalisation. Nowhere in the post-communist world has embraced the global economy as eagerly as the Czech Republic: Prague is full of McDonald's restaurants and Tesco supermarkets, and thousands of Czech activists are expected to demonstrate alongside international campaigners from across Europe and North America. Those at the camp are just a tiny fraction of those expected to arrive in Prague this week - and, unlike many who are coming, they are all committed to non-violence. Chelsea Mozen gave up a well-paid job in Washington DC's local government to come to Prague. Immaculate in designer clothes, she reels off statistics to support her case against the World Bank, while behind her a guitar lies against a sign pointing the way to the "compost toilet". Scott Codey talks to journalists about the history of nonviolent protest. His conversation is lucid and educated, full of references to Gandhi and Martin Luther King. He quotes Gandhi, saying that the protesters are "walking in truth". This week Mr Codey and Ms Mozen, clean-cut, well-read Americans, will probably be tear-gassed and beaten by police for the first time in their lives, as they form a human chain around the congress centre where the IMF and WorldBank meetings are being held. "Being tear-gassed is a sacrifice I'm willing to make," Mr Codey says. "This is something I feel morally compelled to speak out against." These are the young people the IMF and the World Bank should be afraid of. The protesters may look clueless as they practise their human chain, but they are the proof that the anti-globalisation movement has spread far beyond the hardline fringe groups who want to tear down the entire economic order. They will stand hand-in-hand with veteran campaigners such as Martin Shaw, an electrician from London who gave up his job to "get out of the capitalist economy", and now lives in a housing co-operative in London. But, unlike Mr Shaw, a committed anarchist who says he wants to tear down the consumer society and live without "interference" from any government, Mr Codey and Ms Mozen are not revolutionaries: they want to reform the system, not destroy it. Ms Mozen says: "We're not saying we don't need a body to govern global trade. We're saying we want an equitable system, where people can decide for themselves if they want to grow food, so their children can eat, instead of coffee beans for export." This time, it is not all about the sort of street protests that wrecked the WTO summit in Seattle and humiliated President Bill Clinton last year. The Initiative against Economic Globalisation, the Czech umbrella group for NGOs, which set up the training camp and plans to blockade the official summit, is also holding its own counter-summit this weekend, while the IMF and World Bank delegates are in town. The protesters will not only condemn global economic policy, they will set out their alternative vision. Revisionist academics, including the sociologist Walden Bello and the Egyptian neo-Marxist economist Said Amin, will address counter-summit meetings. Mr Codey says: "We're trying to decentralise power so local communities have a say in their own lives." He first became interested in the anti-globalisation movement on a trip to Nicaragua in 1995. "I'd never heard of the IMF or the World Bank before I went to Nicaragua," he says. "But every Nicaraguan had. I saw what they had done, how they went in and decimated the local economy. Thousands were forced into poverty because instead of growing food they were forced to grow products for the world economy." Ms Mozen's story is similar. "I first started to think about these issues when I studied in Bolivia," she says. "The Bolivian family I was staying with
[CTRL] Corporations ubber alles: War good. Markets bad.
-Caveat Lector- Network members: Boeing sees less emphasis on commercial jet sales, and more emphasis on military production and serves in its future. Boeing is already the world's largest builder of military aircraft (and civillian aircraft), but is second to Lockheed Martin in over-all military production. Steve http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/000723/l23414369.html Sunday July 23, 4:16 pm Eastern Time By Chris Stetkiewicz LONDON, July 23 (Reuters) - Boeing Co (NYSE:BA - news) will shift its business mix in coming years to include more revenue from military and service markets, easing its dependence on more volatile commercial jet sales, Chairman Phil Condit said on Sunday. ``We need some things like the services business which are not nearly as affected by the economic cycle. We also need some faster growing businesses,'' Condit told reporters on the eve of a major air show in Farnborough, England. Airliner sales have traditionally made up the bulk of Boeing's revenue base. In 1999, the aerospace giant's commercial jet unit pumped in $38 billion of its $58 billion in overall sales, or two-thirds. But jet sales rise and fall dramatically with economic cycles. For example, sales of lucrative widebody planes have just begun to pick up as Asia has rebounded from a 1997 financial crisis that slashed widebody demand. Condit said revenues from Boeing's military lines could equal revenues from civilian markets within five years. Such a shift would likely boost operating margins at Boeing, since the Seattle-based company tends to earn fatter profits selling aircraft and missiles to military customers than on sales of airliners to increasingly demanding airlines. Condit said last week that prices in the commercial jet market, in which it competes against hard-driving rival Airbus Industrie [ARBU.UL], had been and remained ``aggressive''. GREATER PRESENCE IN SERVICES A greater presence in the market for plane services -- ranging from maintenance and spare parts supply to finance and satellite-based communications -- could boost Boeing's growth rate, and offset cutbacks in other business units. Boeing to date has made only incremental steps into services, but has big plans for expansion through space programmes, leveraging the $3.75 billion purchase of Hughes Electronics Corp.'s (NYSE:GMH - news) satellite-building business it announced earlier this year. ``We are always looking for things that help us grow,'' Condit said. ``The services business promises 15 percent to maybe 20 percent (annual) growth.'' Condit has denied dubious but persistent rumours that Boeing would leave the commercial jet market altogether or merge with General Electric Co. (NYSE:GE - news), which boasts jet engine manufacturing and plane leasing in its vast financial and industrial empire. But Boeing officials have held up GE as an example of how much money can be made in the services sector -- GE earns more money servicing engines than it does selling them. Boeing also plans to sell off less profitable or money losing operations, including a St. Louis-based parts-making facility employing 1,700, and hopes to focus on high value-added processes like aircraft assembly or manufacture of specialised parts. ``We have begun one (asset sale). There will probably be others,'' Condit said. Boeing has also undertaken a broad cost-cutting campaign ranging from improvements in production efficiency to trimming its payroll from a 1998 peak of 238,600 to about 187,000 now and setting a target of about 180,000 by the end of 2000. Having got a late start on the downsizing trend that began sweeping through the U.S. industrial base in the 1980s, Boeing has plenty of room to continue boosting efficiency for years to come, analysts say. ``I don't think you ever stop trying to bring down costs,'' Condit said. *** International Network on Disarmament and Globalization 405-825 Granville Street, Vancouver, British Columbia V6Z 1K9 CANADA tel: (604) 687-3223fax: (604) 687-3277 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.indg.org To subscribe to the e-mail list, send an e-mail to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SUBSCRIBE mil-corp [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the first and only line in the message body. -- -- CUT OUT THE MIDDLEMEN -- JUST VOTE FOR A CORPORATION
[CTRL] [Fwd: Nader: Not Just Another Campaign Speech]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Nader: Not Just Another Campaign Speech Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:47:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Eisenscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IPPN] Not Just Another Campaign Speech Date: Wed, Sep 6, 2000, 9:14 PM Not Just Another Campaign Speech By Ralph Nader (The speech below was given extemporaneously at a reception of several hundred Green Party members, supporters and press at the Green Party's late June convention in Denver, Colorado. We've transcribed it in preparation for the upcoming fall issue of Independent Politics News but are sending it out now because there's a lot of good stuff in here. Thanks to JusticeVision [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] for the videotape of the convention from which this was taken.} This is not the best time for a deliberate exposition, here, but I want to say, I've met a lot of you on the hustings, whether Maine, or Rhode Island, Connecticut, or New Mexico. This is really the core of the whole Green Party effort all over the country, and the key is for all of us to pool our best ideas, tactics and strategies as fast as possible. The agenda is pretty much laid out, the issues are being honed, there'll be more details coming that will be posted on our web site, votenader.org. What we want to do is to move out throughout the country in a whole series of dimensions. One of them, for example, is on the campuses in terms of students. We've got to try to get with students more, on a lot of campuses, and with the internet we can do it very quickly, but that doesn't mean we can't benefit from a lot of practical suggestions by you. The second is to move out in the direction of blue-collar labor, especially those in the steel, auto, textile and other unions that are being more and more politicized. You're seeing a higher degree of legitimate militancy here than ever before. We need to work at the local level. There's PACE as well, that's the merger between the Paperworkers and the Oil, Chemical and Atomic Workers. Then we want to move out to the 2 million nurses. As some of you know, at a news conference about 10 days ago the California Nurses Association, at a press conference in Washington, endorsed us. This is a union that sets the standard. It rallies, it demonstrates, it leads, not just supports, the cause of patients' rights. Last year they got five laws out of five signed, passed through the legislature and signed, on HMO accountability, whistle blower rights, the right to sue HMO's, etc. So we want to try to move out in that direction. Nurses have a great network. There are few people who are as credible in their occupation as nurses. We want to try to move through other constituencies here. One of them is the neighborhood groups in cities throughout the country who are really struggling against real odds in the inner city, in the areas of housing, poverty, transit, health care-this is really the ultimate shame on our country, in many ways, in terms of leaving these people so defenseless to predators, payday loan sharks, rent-to-own rackets, landlord abuses, deliberate withholding of health care, even when they have coverage for it under Medicaid, and of course environmental racism, that's very important. We have some of the most detailed maps on bank redlining ever brought together. We've got them in every community so those of you who want to move forward on that front can do so during the campaign, because these maps are available to everyone, even Republicans and Democrats. We want to also move forward through the day-to-day beat. There are reporters throughout the country who have their hands tied by publishers and media conglomerates, and they don't like it. They would like to cover progressive political movements and not expect third parties to be discriminated against. So don't be shy, reach out to them, talk with them, they'll carry the newsworthy purpose to their editors and, more often than not, you'll get the coverage that you need, because there are a lot of local and state Green Party candidates here, from Hawaii and other places. We need to move at that level as well. With radio talk shows, 90% of them are run by right-wing radio show hosts because, you know, the government doesn't advertise but corporations do. Just try more systematic telephoning. Every time you break through on one of these talk shows, you're talking to thousands, or tens of thousands of people. Then we have to more out through the small farm, the small ranch areas all over the country. Small farmers are really hanging on, they're angry, they've got every right to be angry, they're being exposed to crushing price suppression by their big giant buyers like Cargill and IBP, and on the other hand they're being squeezed by the seed companies and other suppliers, fewer and fewer giant corporations on either side of them moving to replace
[CTRL] FBI still working on Bono / Kennedy skiing accidents.
-Caveat Lector- EXCLUSIVE: From the Nurev Wire Service After the deaths of Rep Sonny Bono and a member of the Kennedy family the FBI received the following cryptic message form an heretofore unknown terrorist group. StoP tHE LogGINg oR wE WiLl coNtInUE To KIll oNe CeleBrITY EacH WeEK. ### theRe ARe nO SkIinG "aCciDenTS. ## THE TREES "They've obviously been spiking ' Miracle Grow ' " opined Drug Czar Barry McCaffery. End
[CTRL] Need info on New York online archives
-Caveat Lector- Does anyone know of a site which would allow an archival search of New York City and area newspaper articles from the 1920's? None of the online archives I've found go back much beyond the '70's and I'm interested in articles on NYC crime/criminals between the years 1923-1933 specifically. Jamieson
[CTRL] Conjurella: Stranger than fiction
-Caveat Lector- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Doretta Wildes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "RuMills List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Conjurella: Stranger than fiction Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 8:43 PM In the 1970s, TC Brennan was a successful comic strip author and artist. His "Vampirella" was a commercial success, to say the least. Today TC Brennan washes dishes for a living and claims that a ticket to the local cinema is above his means. Could his plummet from fame have anything to do with un-suppressed memories? In TC Brennan's case, the memories in question concern his alleged part in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. As the memories surfaced, Brennan wove them into a work of fiction he titled "Conjurella." How very appropriate. In real life, whatever that may be in these times, Brennan claims to be one of many mind-control victims who were there that day in 1963 pointing their weapons at the skull of John Kennedy. The story is, of course, replete with sub-plots. Below are some sites to explore. Bear in mind that Brennan is a master of a certain kind of prose. Don't let that lead you to facile conclusions. Brennan's fictionalized version may contain more of the truth than certain non-fiction reports. In any case, it's clear that Brennan has been stripped of his livelihood like so many people who venture forward with stories that were never meant to see the light of day. So read what he has to say. And come to your own conclusions. You may email him at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.goplay.com/lie4me/Conjurella.html http://www.geocities.com/avalard/brennan/contents.html http://www.morethanconquerors.simplenet.com/MCF/victm-hm.htm#Brennan http://tcasey.inri.net http://www.ozemail.com.au/~realoto/eqv3c.html http://www.videogasm.com http://16ton.com/colo/tcb.htm http://www.konformist.com/mkkafe/tcasey/tcasey.htm http://www.wynd.org/tcb.html http://www.sentex.net/~dvanhorn/tcasey/tcasey.html http://www.davestevens.com/ds_harri.htm http://www.vampifan.com/other/htmls/other.html http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/2544/arq.htm Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html
Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion
-Caveat Lector- At 11:21 AM 9/17/00 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a list devoted to conspiracy. Homosexuality is off topic and diversionary. Oh brother! If you don't understand that homosexuals and homosexuality are being manipulated by others with an agenda that has damn little to do with either, you don't understand "conspiracy". DBC
Re: [CTRL] Abortion and the English Language
-Caveat Lector- At 10:56 AM 9/17/00 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Question: What, if any, crime has been committed? That depends on the wording of the local laws, and NOT on anyone's religious beliefs, particularly those of somebody else, not involved, and living in another legal juristiction. Your answer is a very close approximation of "Duh-uh?" Name one jurisdiction in the United States of America -- ONE -- where it is legal for a medical doctor on his sole discretion to stick a needle into an in utero fetus and kill it? Name one jurisdiction where "the wording of local laws" affirmatively permit this action. Crime is a legal matter, not a religious one. Yeah. So what? You didn't answer the question. "What, if any, crime has been committed?" I'll make it REAL simple for you: A. A crime has been committed. The nature of the crime is: . B. No crime has been committed; medical doctors can spear and mutilate in utero fetuses whenever they damn well please. DBC
[CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of Icke - the Christ Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) In a message dated 9/16/00 1:23:35 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's because he's an idiot, a liar, and a fool who will make up shit to sell books. Au contraire! Icke is a brilliant scholar and a daring man...his books are a wealth of information. Might I also suggest the beautiful and talented Acharya S's book THE CHRIST CONSPIRACY for further evidence that Christ never existed. Bill. Au contraire, contraire! Have to agree with J2 "That's because he's an idiot, a liar, and a fool who will make up shit to sell books." Such truly is an appropriate claim for the utter crap peddled by self-proclaimed "son of god" loon David Icke, and co-accused fruit loop and misologist Achy Breakie heart Acharya S - mere money grubbing charlatans. Acharya S for example, wouldn't know the difference between true Christianity and her bunghole. To call these shysters "scholar" - is a thorough misnomer. For insatnce, "The Christ Conspiracy" by Acharya S - is published by an obscure publishing house called "Adventures Unlimited," (1999) not exactly Harper and Row, or Yale University Press, but at least they know where to buy ink. It is written by one who piles on the PROFESSED credentials like they would disappear if not referred to in a hurry: "...archaeologist, historian, mythologist, and linguist." Did they forget, con artist, sloppy researcher, amateur logician, incompetent, angry and irrational person? Silly Achy Heart S is all of these things; The Christ Conspiracy a tedious, boring compilation of some of the silliest arguments, some of the broadest and vaguest generalizations, drawn from some of the most outdated and unreliable sources, that I have yet seen composed. Lets face it, such spurious, fabricated nonsense is not new, and is hardly much more than the re-mashed diatribes of dead and buried sceptics, whose erroneous material on Christianity even honest, studiously rigorous, modern-day sceptical scholars are EMBARRASSED about and would never print. Yet, here we have another self-appointed guru, rummaging around her box of stale corn flakes, and attempting to make some ghastly conspiracy mache out of it. The somewhat sparse popularity such works receive from Esoteric's, Gnostics, sham dress-up Sceptics, and New Ager types, is, in my opinion, a further demonstration, that critical thinking ability has sunk to a new all time low. It seems, that as soon as one puts "conspiracy" on the cover, it is like a fairy-floss attractant to the paranoid, childish conspiracy mindset. We must also ask, is Acharya S still communing with her ethereal little "entities?" I guess also having such supra-human "entities," as your authority and informational channel, precludes the necessity for hard honest scholarship when it comes to these higher-than-mortal esoteric mind farts. Lets quickly make some points on JUST ONE of dear confused Achy's sections - the Gnostics, and while she is partly right to say that the ideas that were part of Gnosticism, are indeed old, older indeed quite often than NT Christianity, she takes the usual overboard position that "Gnosticism was proto-Christianity." (60) Which I have demonstrated here just last week, such a paltry claim could not be further from the truth. The evidence for this concocted claim? * That critics of Christianity like Porphyry and Plotinus attacked Gnostics whom they considered to be Christians--which means about as much as the modern media attacking the groups of Jim Jones and David Koresh as "Christian." The ignorance of others, and their inability to offer precise classifications of religious groups they hate intensely, offers no proof of anything. * That three church Fathers were either sympathetic to Gnostic views (Clement of Alexandria, and Ireneaus, so we are told, who "had a zodiac on the floor of his church at Lyons" [60]) or once were (Augustine)--which also means absolutely nothing; that a small number of church Fathers some 200 years after the fact and in an entirely different social-cultural milieu had any sort of involvement in a contrary movement no more adds proof to the thesis that "Gnosticism was proto-Christianity" than pointing to a group of modern Christian youth who play Dungeons and Dragons proves that "fantasy gaming is proto-Christianity." * It is claimed that Christianity shares Gnosticism's "disdain for the flesh and for matter in general," (60) although the citations offered prove no such thing, especially when examined in their literary-historical context. "The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil." John 7:7 is cited as proof of Jesus' supposed Gnosticism! BUT, this only says that the works of the world
Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Damian B. Cooper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion -Caveat Lector- At 11:21 AM 9/17/00 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a list devoted to conspiracy. Homosexuality is off topic and diversionary. Oh brother! If you don't understand that homosexuals and homosexuality are being manipulated by others with an agenda that has damn little to do with either, you don't understand "conspiracy". DBC Hmmm ... I for one, think, I can see what you mean DBC? One can disseminate here, errr ... I mean, "discuss," any conspiracy theory, so long it is a conspiracy theory limited to, and upheld by the Ruling Class Establishment here? Does that make reasonable sense? Is there a conspiracy afoot perhaps?
[CTRL] WSJ: The Wen Ho Lee Diversion
-Caveat Lector- Wall Street Journal REVIEW OUTLOOK The Wen Ho Lee Diversion The one thing the Clinton administration has shown the energy and skill to protect is itself. Tuesday, September 19, 2000 12:01 a.m. EDT The Wen Ho Lee case ended last week with the former weapons scientist pleading guilty to a single felony charge, with the President of the United States distancing himself from his own Justice Department, and now with Asian-American activists charging that the Lee case was the product of racism. This has the look of a classic fiasco. We're not so sure, though, that the case didn't end just about the way Bill Clinton would have liked--in a fog of non-conclusions. Before our jovial President saunters away from another stink pile, it might be worth putting this affair in its proper context. Incredible to behold, "Wen Ho Lee" somehow became a household name in the United States. To the casual viewer, the story line ran that a sole Chinese-American computer scientist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, Wen Ho Lee, managed to become the conduit for passing some of the nation's most sensitive nuclear weapons data to China's government. Lee himself participated in his inflation, appearing on "60 Minutes" last August to proclaim his innocence. By then, needless to say, he had become an ethnic martyr. Let's review the actual timeline on the Lee affair: Start with the atmosphere of unseriousness about security that pervaded the administration. Early on, Rep. Frank Wolf held hearings into the White House's slovenly process for issuing security clearances to its own personnel. Russian intelligence managed to place wiretaps in one of the most presumably secure floors of the State Department, with sensitive laptop computers disappearing. There was as well the gaudy cast of characters rolling through the White House for campaign-contribution coffees and photo-ops--Macau gangsters, Chinese arms dealers, Johnny Chung and Charlie Trie, who later fled to China. At an amazing press conference on Dec. 7, 1993, Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary unveiled the DOE's "openness initiative." "The Cold War is over; we're coming clean," she said. She announced that 32 million pages of classified documents were now subject to review and possible release to "put the United States out in front as a nation willing to share." She joked: "During the Cold War, I would have been arrested for what I said." No wonder Wen Ho Lee thought the rules had changed. They had. Indeed, in mid-1997, Attorney General Janet Reno turned down the FBI's request to put a wiretap on Wen Ho Lee, whom they'd been investigating for years. Given the stakes here, and the by-the-books use of a wiretap under such circumstances, the request should have been a routine slam dunk. But Ms. Reno blocked it. Her justification: The evidence against Lee was too fragmentary. We know, however, that Wen Ho Lee copied sensitive data onto 10 computer tapes, a warehouse of information. Seven of those tapes are still missing. He repeatedly failed polygraph tests. A prima facie case was obvious; the wiretap was warranted. In the event, he entered a guilty plea to one count and promised to cooperate with investigators over the next year. The Hazel O'Leary "willing to share" national security policy ended in January 1999, with the release of the Cox Report, asserting: "The PRC thefts from our National Laboratories began at least as early as the late 1970s. Significant secrets are known to have been stolen, from the laboratories or elsewhere, as recently as the mid-1990s. Such thefts almost certainly continue to the present." Exactly two months later, the Energy Department announced that it had fired Los Alamos computer scientist Wen Ho Lee. Quickly, Lee ended up carrying responsibility for the whole sieve of data leaking out of Los Alamos. On March 19, 10 days after the Wen Ho Lee firing and two months after the Cox Report, President Clinton was asked at a news conference whether any of these Los Alamos security breaches took place on his watch. The President replied: "To the best of my knowledge, no one has said anything to me about any espionage which occurred by the Chinese against the labs during my presidency." This is almost certainly a false statement. A New York Times story the next day notes "different accounts" of when Mr. Clinton was informed of China's espionage. A House committee was told Mr. Clinton was briefed in 1998. But in the weeks prior to the March 19 news conference, White House aides said National Security Adviser Sandy Berger had briefed the President in July 1997. According to the Times, NSC spokesman David Leavy "said that since the completion of [the Cox] report, Berger and other aides had refreshed their recollections. 'After the Cox committee process, we've remembered more,' Leavy said." Also at his March 19 news conference, Mr. Clinton hotly denied that his administration suppressed reports of
Re: [CTRL] The Gay Youth Suicide Myth
-Caveat Lector- Yes, June, I am reading this and once again you are reading more into the post than is actually there. Aleisha is asking a question and then stating her preference. She stops sort of stating her reasons for this. It could be a number of things from the example set to concern about exposure to higher incidences of AIDS and the risks through using shared knives. It could be lots of things. It is a lifestyle that is not sanctioned by many religions. And since you have repeatedly, repeatedly stated that you did not want these dreadful scouts receiving federal money, did you read the article I posted stating that they receive very little and will probably be just fine without it? I know that was the case with my region when my sons were that age. They raised ALL of their own selling Christmas trees each year. I have always judged the people my own children were around by their character, not sexual orientation. I do not think children should be aware of the sexual preferences/peccadilloes/fetishes of the adults into whose care they are placed. I think the subject is inappropriate for children period. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Gay Youth Suicide Myth -Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] And Jimmy made his big story when he ws interviewed by Playboy..and of course, Gacy the Killer Clown who loved little kids, His victims were hardly 'little kids'...he was sexually attracted to adolescents and young teens. .these boys when being garoted to death 2 to 3 quick turns, wet their pants - and little JonBenet as did the little girl in the Moors murdrs both murdered Christmas Day, did. As anyone at the moment of death does...bowels and bladder let loose... Do we want sodomists in our Boys Scouts? I want them nowhere near me or mine. Why? Aren't you implying that you believe every single homosexual man who would like to give something to the community by being a scout leader, would in reality be sexually molesting his charges? That sounds an awful lot like painting all homosexuals as pedophiles...Amelia, are you reading this? June
[CTRL] Who Reads The Major News Papers?
-Caveat Lector- Who reads the news papers? By Anonymous The Wall Street Journalis read by the people who run the country. New York Times who think they run the country. Washington Postwho think they ought to run the country. USA Today who think they ought to run the country but don't understand the Washington Post. Los Angeles Times who wouldn't mind running the country, if they could spare the time. Boston Globe whose parents used to run the country. New York Daily Newswho aren't too sure who is running the country. New York Post who don't care who is running the country, as long as they do something scandalous. San Francisco Chroniclewho aren't sure there is a country, or that anyone is running it. Miami Herald who are running another country. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. =
Re: [CTRL] The Jesuit Oath
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: In a few instances, Jesuit agents assassinated kings who had come to regard them as their most trustworthy advisers. Which kings?
