[CTRL] Christian Tots for Bush
-Caveat Lector- Christian Tots for Bush by David Rosinger Last year, documentary filmmakers Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady gave us The Boys of Baraka, a moving account of a program that took 12- and 13-year-old at risk black males out of Baltimore's public schools and enrolled them in an academy in rural Kenya with rigorous disciplinary and academic standards - and no TV. (The school was mostly funded by private donations, with about one-eighth per pupil cost coming from the tax coffers.) So effective was this African boot camp, that after only one year the boys returned to Baltimore as men: strong-minded, self-confident and smart enough to get into the city's most demanding secondary schools. Ewing and Grady's current film, Jesus Camp, examines the effect of another unusual school on children. This time the kids are white, middle class and from stable homes. And the academy in this case is a vacation bible school, Kids on Fire, located, ironically, in Devil's Lake, ND. In contrast to the Baltimore inner city youths who did not take quickly to the Spartan regimen of the Baraka School in Africa, the kids entering the campus at Devil's Lake can scarcely contain their enthusiasm. All are from Protestant denominations, all have been saved (spiritually born again), many are home-schooled, and some have already begun proselytizing. The first gathering in the camp's assembly hall features an abundance of singing, hand-clapping and cheerful slogans. The kids clearly are enjoying themselves; they could be at an amusement park or a rock concert. One of them, Rachael from Missouri, at the age of nine already has definite ideas about church ritual: I love being in the presence of God. . . God likes to go to places where people are singing and jumping up and down. When the camera follows her family's outing to a bowling alley, we see Rachael handing out tracts to strangers and explaining, God is tellng me that He wants you to have Him in your life. Another kid, Levi, 12, says he was saved at the age of five. He has preached at his family's church and dreams of becoming a mega-church pastor. A third camper, Tory, 10, is an aspiring dancer who loves Christian heavy metal music and scorns Britney Spears because of her emphasis on the flesh. The only discord that the filmmakers can find happens one night when a counselor cautions some of the boys against telling scary stories: Jesus would want you to think positive thoughts. The camp's founder, Becky Fischer, as a Pentecostal minister, puts great emphasis on outward signs of spiritual experience. At one camp gathering she announces, Now we are going to speak in tongues, which prompts some in the congregation to begin uttering either gibberish (as skeptics would hold), or (as the faithful would have it) a language inspired by the Holy Spirit that the speaker himself does not understand. Coaching others to join in, Becky says, If you don't open your mouth, the Holy Spirit cannot enter you, and soon the assembly hall is buzzing. Whether one interprets this as follow-the-leader, crowd hysteria, or evidence of a gift from God, the scene is genuinely moving. The children shake with emotion, tears gush forth, some kids collapse on the floor. None of this would be terribly controversial outside theological circles if not for the political element in the Kids on Fire curriculum. While Becky flatly denies pursuing any political agenda, she also says, I want to see children as ready to lay down their lives for Christianity as they are for Islam, and refers to her charges as the Army of God. In one of her sermons she issues a call to action: This means war! Indeed, at times her summer camp looks less like a religious school than the training ground for a children's militia. Take, for example, the ceremony where boys with grim, camouflage-painted faces and girls in black ninja outfits twirl quarterstaffs to the accompaniment of bombastic music. There is also the pledging of the Christian Flag: I pledge allegiance to the Christian Flag and to the Savior for whose kingdom it stands. One brotherhood, uniting all mankind in service and love. (Whether pledging the Christian Flag carries the same spiritual weight as a prayer is not explained.) Then comes the rite of the smashing of the cups. A table in front of the pulpit is filled with white coffee mugs, each one bearing the grease-penciled word, government. The kids are then invited to come forward, pick up a hammer and smash one of the mugs. Breaking the cups, one of the counselors tells them, releases the hold that the Devil has on us. We gather this mug-smashing is not directed at the present administration in Washington, for in the next scene a life-sized photo cut-out of Dubya is placed onstage and the children are invited to bless him and lay the Spirit over him. The kids shuffle reverently towards the Decider's cardboard facsimile and, one by one, kneel, extend a hand of blessing, and move their lips in prayer.
[CTRL] No Depression: Terrell Owens and Jock Culture
-Caveat Lector- Folks - this appeared in Friday's LA Times Op Ed page. Dave Z http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-zirin29sep29,0,462246.story?coll=l a-opinion-rightrail No Depression: Terrell Owens and Jock Culture By Dave Zirin WE MAY never know whether controversial Dallas Cowboy All-Pro Terrell Owens' emergency room adventure was a result of attempted suicide or mismanaged meds. But the subsequent damage control has spoken volumes about the way top professional athletes have become little more than corporations with muscle tone, with images to be protected at all costs, their mental health a distant concern. Attempting suicide is the ultimate cry for help. Yet in the world of jock culture, vulnerability equals weakness. Our superheroes aren't supposed to be lonely, depressed or absent hope. The mere hint that Owens might wrestle with suicidal tendencies damages the brand of Owens Inc. It's like finding out that your PC has a virus, or that there's E. coli at your favorite fast-food place. And, like at a corporation, public outcry about the event became a PR crisis to manage. It was Owens' flack, Kim Etheredge, who called 911, told police the star wide receiver was depressed and tried to pry two of the pain pills out of his mouth. Then she began spinning. Less than 24 hours later, Etheredge was on camera soldiering for Owens Inc., saying a leaked police report was a fabrication and that Terrell has 25 million reasons to be alive. I'm still stunned by the ugliness of that statement. Twenty-five million is how many dollars Owens will be paid over the life of his three-year contract with the Cowboys. For Etheredge, Owens' life must be worth no more than his pay scale. Presumably, if cut from the team, his reasons to be alive would dwindle to nothing. Owens followed Etheredge at the news conference by stating explicitly, and with a sideways smirk, I am not depressed. In the stunted, backward world of jock culture, it is better to be seen as a dosage-miscalculating carnival distraction than someone burdened with the shame of depression. As the self-described recovering sportswriter Robert Lipsyte wrote recently on tomsdispatch.com, Athletes have been taught to appear invulnerable, to repress emotion, to never, ever let 'em see you sweat, much less show panic or pain. This is why for so many pro athletes, with their shallow marriages, false friendships and dysfunctional family relationships, the only places where true emotion can freely emerge are the locker room and the playing field. There, they can finally hug and cry. For many, these are the only times they feel truly alive, and one can understand how they might be tempted to do anything to stay in the arena, including drugs. The stats back this up. As many as 80% of marriages involving male professional athletes end in divorce. Out-of-wedlock births are seen as so epidemic that rookies are given seminars on how to avoid being trapped. Players feel paranoid, preyed upon and under the gun. Literally. Carrying a weapon is now so common that firearms guidelines are part of the NBA's collective bargaining agreement. For the athlete, this is a nation of enemies. The mantra becomes: separate, insulate and isolate. Gated communities and anabolic masses of bodyguards seal them off from all nonsexual human contact. But little is done to help players deal with the pressures that create this siege mentality. The message seems to be that pot, paternity suits and pistols are preferable to Prozac. Long gone are the days when Willie Mays played stickball with neighborhood kids. Back then, being an athlete wasn't automatically a ticket to another universe. And this ticket is being dangled earlier every year. As a fourth-grade teacher in Washington public schools, I saw what happened to the talented kids recruited to play in after-school leagues. They sported fancy uniforms, new shoes and other bells and whistles their parents couldn't possibly have afforded. For the majority of kids, however, we didn't even have P.E., a budget casualty in the age of standardized tests. The message was clear: Some are special; others are not even worthy of dodgeball. But even the special ones became stunted by the experience. Most don't make it, and many who do see their dreams turn into nightmares. And as we've seen with T.O, nightmares are a luxury the corporation cannot abide. [Dave Zirin is the author of 'What's My Name Fool?': Sports and Resistance in the United States (Haymarket Books) You can receive his column Edge of Sports, every week by e-mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
[CTRL] FW: 9/11 denial is over
-Caveat Lector- http://www.belowgroundsurface.org:: 9/11 Denial is Over an excellent compilation of resources for inquiring minds seekingto understand what actually may have happened on September 11, 2001. A link tothe full version of the thought-provoking 9-11 Mysteries as well as many other videodocumentaries, all in one convenient place . . . for now. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] where is the media coverage of DECLINING gas prices?
-Caveat Lector- Can you say Elections in November? -Original Message- -Caveat Lector- Now that gas prices have started a modest decline for the last two weeks or so,where is the media coverage of declining gas prices? Where are the media talking heads standing by gas staion price boards marveling at the declining gas prices? And why aren't they giving the Bush Adminstration CREDIT for declining gas prices? Could this be even more evidence of a BIASED News Media? Remember:More people have died in Ted Kennedy's car than have died in United States Commercial Nuclear Power plant operations visit my web site at http://www.info-quest.org Visit my energy page at http://www.info-quest.org/Energy.html Check out the latest on the anwr drilling project http://www.anwr.org visit my blog at http://info-spectrum.blogspot.com My ICQ# is 79071904 See the Pledge of alleginace to the flag that the 9th circuit court of appeals doesn't want you to say. for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.info-quest.org/Enumerated.html www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceb www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: EXECUTIVE ORDER 13397 - CHURCH AS GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY
-Caveat Lector- EXECUTIVE ORDER 13397 - CHURCH AS GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY Nancy Levant July 25, 2006 NewsWithViews.com The separation of church and state - gone with the stroke of a pen. As of March 7, 2006, our nations leader signed another Executive Order, which tied the Department of Homeland Security to our leaders faith-based churches. Okay, all you non-profit churches out there you now serve the federal governments primary spying agency. That is now your primary function. You are now and officially an organized den of thieves. I would feel sorry for the pastors, ministers, priests, and rabbis except for the fact that I just cant and wont. How stupid and positively corrupt can you possibly be to take money in exchange for manipulating your flocks of idiot sheep to the national slaughter? And will you also spy on your flocks and provide reports to your new master? In exchange for money, have you agreed to pacify and organize your flocks in the event of a national emergency? You certainly have, for you have been ordered to do so. And have you been ordered to offer your buildings, your resources, and your labor forces called congregations to serve your newly declared administrator? I try to come up with words to describe how I feel about this Executive Order and the churches that have partnered themselves to this system. The words dont come minus the fact that the church has completely and irreversibly fallen to the lowest and darkest common denominator, which is the total betrayal of the souls of the faithful. I would pray for your forgiveness, but I dont want to. Nor do I want to write about this sickening topic. But, I appeal to Christian people to 1) ask your church leaders if they are faith-based funded, and 2) to leave those churches and start home-based churches with your friends and family members. Do not support Executive Ordered, Department of Homeland Security churches with your presence or your money. You are being manipulated and reported upon guaranteed. You are being told what to do when more crisis hits the nation, and will hit the nation, as all is now planned down to our weather emergencies, which are providing the training and relocation exercises for the real crisis to come the one that permanently collapses Constitutional America. The church needs to regroup and gather in homes, where faith is restored, private, and truth is real. Forget the church leadership. They are padding their pockets and socially re-engineering your mind with think tank religion and crisis management, and theyre getting paid to do so much like the public schools and mass media. Raise your churches in your homes. All you need is a Bible one will do. Save yourselves and your souls and leave your new and improved church buildings, fancy organs, fundraisers, and colorful windows behind. As in all Communist countries, the church will survive underground, so to speak, and with genuine prayer. And serve your Constitutional America. Dont give up on freedom even as it dissolves before your eyes. Be courageous in truth and gather together in truth. Again and again, I strongly recommend that you contact A.C.E. Americans for Constitutional Enforcement at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - and request their Information Packet. Work to preserve your unalienable rights. There is no other choice but to fall much like the American church. And please remember that faith-based churches are now governmental agencies just like public schools, mass media, and mass communications nothing more and nothing less. A.C.E. will help you, your family, and your neighbors to learn the truth about todays America. What you dont know is allowing for the total destruction of your rights and your individual freedom. What you dont know is rapidly, rapidly destroying your country. Your continued ignorance is why we are falling. Please contact A.C.E. right now. May God bless the American people. 2006 Nancy Levant - All Rights Reserved Sign Up For Free E-Mail Alerts E-Mails are used strictly for NWVs alerts, not for sale Nancy Levant is a life-long writer, a believer of God, country, Constitutional and individual rights. She resides in rural Southwestern Ohio. She has worked professionally with children since 1974 and is an ardent supporter of home schooling. Nancy Levant has done radio and television interviews, has been a guest speaker in many venues including college campuses, schools, Indian reservations, human service organizations, and has been the president of a youth sports organization. Ms. Levant just completed her new book The Cultural Devastation of American Women: The Strange and Frightening Decline of the American Female. to be released May 2006. Equally, she is a writer for freedom and land rights issues and opposes the United Nation's Agenda 21 implementation in America. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a
[CTRL] FW: 3 BORDER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS BEHEADED (2006)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newswithviews.com/Stubbs/rodney13.htm www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pancho Villa's New Tactics
-Caveat Lector- http://www.shout.net/~bigred/VillaTactics.html (Conspiracy Nation, 06/18/06) -- Ha ha ha, Pancho, seems to say U.S. General Black Jack Pershing to Pancho Villa. We'll renew the fun on a later occasion. (image: left) On March 9, 1916, Villa had led his Mexican troops north and attacked a detachment of the U.S. Cavalry near Columbus, New Mexico. It was an invasion! Pershing and U.S. troops thereafter hunted Villa and his force. But as the photo at the left seems to show, apparently there was some sort of later amnesty. What is now called Israel once did not exist as such. Then, in the late 1800s, Zionist immigrants began arriving in Palestine. Don't mind us, we are only immigrants, was implied. Then, when it was too late, the Palestinians realized the mere immigrants were a Trojan Horse. Next thing they knew, gone was their land! (http://www.shout.net/~bigred/StartOfIsrael.html) Taking a tip from the Israeli tactic, descendants of the Pancho Villa army disguised themselves as immigrants and began infiltrating the United States. They bided their time, waiting for their numbers to grow. Glad to welcome the invading army was the Catholic Church, whose primary allegiance is to the Vatican. We must welcome the stranger, piously intoned the priests. (We must welcome millions of new Catholics into America, they privately agreed among themselves.) Around March 2004, a new book by Samuel Huntington appeared. Reportedly, Huntington argued that the huge influx of Mexican and Latino immigrants in the past 10-or-so years is unprecedented. The vastness of their numbers, he proposed, has caused the normal immigrant-assimilation process to break down. Suggested by Huntington is a Reconquista aspect of the phenomena. Because Mexico lost portions of her territory following the Mexican-American War (1846-1848), there is a feeling among Latino immigrants in the American Southwest that they are reclaiming their turf. (http://www.shout.net/~bigred/Huntington.htm) Reaction to Huntington was furious. For example, Lyndon LaRouche and his group called Huntington's views an anti-Hispanic barrage and called Huntington himself disgusting. This, in spite of Huntington's relative prestige as author of a previous book, Clash Of Civilizations. However LaRouche, a perennial Chicken Little, besides appears to be a secret Vatican agent. As such, he would obey Rome and serve the Catholic invasion. One of the LaRouchies, Gretchen Small, wrote that Huntington's book prepares the ground for new wars, this time throughout the Americas, and within the United States itself. (qtd. in http://www.shout.net/~bigred/Huntington.htm) On April 28 of this year, Rayelan Allan eerily corroborated Ms. Small's forecast. At her Rumor Mill News web site, Ms. Allan's report, CORPORATE ARMIES CORPORATE MEXICAN SLAVES VERSUS AMERICAN WORKERS, offered a framework for the situation. (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=88148) I spoke with an informed Source last night, she writes, who told me what is really behind the Mexican demonstrations. The corporations will use their hired guns... aka hired Armies... to fight Americans. Once Americans are on the run... the corporations can exploit their Mexican workers any way they want. The movement to take back the South Western United States is exactly the same manuever that the NWO [New World Order] used to break up Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia had been a testing ground for what was to happen to the United States. It would be the old Divide and Conquer. But enough Americans saw through the plan that a Plan B had to be implemented, if Ms. Allan is correct. When the NWO discovered that Americans are innately loyal to America, no matter how much they criticize and condemn her, they realized that they had to put plan B into play. Plan B is a revolution/war that will be instigated by the ALA - Atzlan Liberation Army, warns Ms. Allan. This Pancho Villa Reborn Army has been in training throughout the 1990s in the Mexican state of Chiapas. They are supposedly under the leadership of some Sub-Commandante Marcos, who American dupes have romanticized. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] Misguided Theology Makes Bad Foreign Policy
-Caveat Lector- June 16, 2006 Misguided Theology Makes Bad Foreign Policy Doug Bandow Iraq is an unalloyed disaster. War with Iran would be even worse. Lebanon's Cedar Revolution has empowered groups hostile to America. Where is the new democratic dawn in the Mideast that the administration promised? It certainly isn't represented in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. The West Bank is still occupied and Gaza is nearing civil war. Whether peace is possible if the two peoples separate is unknowable. The only worse option is for Israel to maintain a system of militarized apartheid-like rule over millions of Palestinians. Yet some of President George W. Bush's domestic supporters oppose the slightest Israeli concession to the Palestinians. Before the 2004 election, Gary Bauer, one-time presidential candidate and head of American Values, lectured the president: The land of Israel was originally owned by God. Since He was the owner, only He could give it away. And He gave it to the Jewish people. Actually, God still owns the land of Israel. And that of America, for that matter. But that isn't a reason to oppose the Bush administration's peace plan. Washington's fulsome embrace of Israel has long generated controversy consider the fevered reaction to the famous (or infamous, depending on your viewpoint) paper by John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt of Harvard on domestic support for Israel. One can argue whether or not there is an Israel Lobby, but there obviously are lobbies for Israel. That's unexceptional: interest groups have long attempted to influence American foreign policy. Eastern European ethnic groups pushed for NATO expansion, African-Americans lobbied to invade Haiti, ethnic Albanians pushed Washington to attack Serbia. (Sadly, such groups rarely seek peace; most often they want Washington to back their side in war.) What makes support for Israel unique is the fact that part of it, at least, rests on theology. But not primarily Judaism. Even the vast majority of American Jews who support Israel do so more on cultural and ethnic than on religious grounds. It is some American Christians who are attempting to turn the U.S. government into a de facto arm of the church. Most of those who hold such views are evangelicals. Neither Catholics nor mainline Protestants have so heavily rested their spiritual faith on the machinations of a secular state identified with another religion, whose residents largely see themselves in ethnic rather than religious terms. Non-evangelicals are far more likely to perceive the harm to Americans and injustice to others resulting from turning Mideast policy into an aberrant variant of Christian theology. Developing an intelligent solution to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is insanely difficult. Moreover, sympathy toward Israel is understandable: there is no excuse for suicide bombings that slaughter and maim. But Washington needs to develop a Mideast policy that advances America's national interests by reducing the likelihood of war involving the U.S. and attacks on Americans basically staying out. Yet a number of Israel advocates appear to see their support as an outgrowth of their Christian faith. For instance, former Christian Coalition head and candidate for Georgia lieutenant governor Ralph Reed wrote, [T]here is an undeniable and powerful spiritual connection between Israel and the Christian faith. It is where Jesus was born and where he conducted his ministry. True, but so what? This has nothing to do with the formulation of foreign policy for the secular nation of America, which represents non-Christians as well as Christians. Columnist Maggie Gallagher writes, [M]y support is based on an inchoate sense that if put into words would be something like this: As Christians, we just cannot sit by and let Islamic nations exterminate the Jewish people. Not that the Arab nations have that capability, but never mind. Should Christians care less about the killing of Christians by Muslims in Kosovo, Indonesia, and Nigeria? Or the killing of Christians and Muslims by Hindus in India? Another contention is that the U.S. should back whatever the Israeli government wants to do because God gave Israel to the Jews. As Bauer explains, The Bible is pretty clear that the land is what is called covenant land, that God made a covenant with the Jews that that would be their land forever. Bill Wilson of Koenig International News argued that Bush's peace efforts and personal commitments on the surface sound good but they are biblically wrong. After all, the president's position means the he will be responsible for the forceful evacuation of Jews by Jews off the land God gave to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their
[CTRL] FW: [shamireaders] Iran Must Halt Production of Long Letters
Title: Bush: Iran Must Halt Production of Long Letters -Caveat Lector- Days after receiving an 18-page letter from Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President George W. Bush called the lengthy missive an act of war and demanded that Iran halt its production of long letters at once. Bush Demands That Iran Halt Production of Long Letters May 13, 2006 By Andy Borowitz (and others) Days after receiving an 18-page letter from Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President George W. Bush called the lengthy missive an act of war and demanded that Iran halt its production of long letters at once. At the White House, aides said that writing a letter of such length to President Bush, who is known for his extreme distaste for reading, was the most provocative act Mr. Ahmadinejad could have possibly committed. They said they were waiting for Israel to tell them how to respond. Everyone knows that the last book the president read was 'My Pet Goat,' one aide said. Expecting him to read an 18-page letter is really asking for it, and that Iranian dude must have known that. According to those close to Mr. Bush, the president was infuriated upon receipt of the 18-page letter and asked aides if it was some kind of joke. The president then demanded that the letter be boiled down to a one- or two-page format, or possibly adapted to a DVD version, just as he had ordered for news reports on Hurricane Katrina. In Tehran, President Ahmadinejad said he was taken aback by Mr. Bush's refusal to read an 18-page letter, but said that all his future communications to the U.S. president would be in short, easy-to-read instant-messaging format. In his first IM to President Bush, released to the press today, President Ahmadinejad writes, Am building nukes. R U angry? LOL. Elsewhere, Air Force Gen. Michael V. Hayden vowed today that as director of the CIA he would push the agency to find more and better sources of false intelligence and would be flying to Tel Aviv at once. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group shamireaders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: BUSH AND FOX IN LOCK-STEP ON ILLEGALS IN AMERICA
-Caveat Lector- BUSH AND FOX IN LOCK-STEP ON ILLEGALS IN AMERICA By Lynn Stuter May 2, 2006 NewsWithViews.com News last week brought the startling, if not shocking, announcement that the American government has been providing the Mexican government with the location of citizen groups and citizen volunteers acting as extra eyes and ears to the American Border Patrol. The shock to many is that the American government would do such a thing, putting the lives of innocent Americans in jeopardy. Then came the no less shocking news that Mexican consulate officials were provided office space in the Tucson offices of the U.S. Border Patrol in February, 2006, and are being allowed to dictate Border Patrol agents activities. At least one agent resigned in protest. And, of course, as is usual when the government gets caught engaging in unethical (or treasonous) activities, its standard operating procedure (SOP) is to deny, deny, deny. However, information that has only been given to the government by the citizen groups helping patrol the border, and citizen groups acting in other parts of the United States to curb illegal alien activity, has ended up in the hands of the Mexican government and found its way to a Mexican government website. This is information that goes far beyond the requirements of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963, requiring that government detained foreign nationals be given access to their consulate. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to deduce that it was the United States government who supplied the Mexican government with that information. Lets be clear here. We are not talking about immigration people obtaining the required documents and entering the United States legally; we are talking about illegal aliens, foreign nationals entering the United States at other than legal border checkpoints and without the required identification or documents. And lets be very clear on what this represents. Twelve to 20 million illegal aliens residing within the borders of the United States constitutes an illegal invasion. When the majority of those illegal aliens come from one country, said illegal invasion becomes an act of aggression; in fact, an act of war. That country is Mexico. Article III, § 3, Constitution, United States of America: Treason, proof and punishment. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court. The congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted. In providing a foreign nation (Mexico) information deleterious to the health and safety of American citizens, those responsible have committed an act of treason in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort when the enemy is levying war against America. Who is ultimately responsible for this act of treason? Twice in the last month, Americans have been witness to the orchestrated demonstrations of illegal aliens in major American cities. On May 1, 2006, the intent was to show Americans how much economic damage the illegal aliens, the foreign aggressors, could do in our country by not showing up for work. Sympathetic employers and businesses closed their doors that day in a show of support for these illegal invaders. But the effort fell flat as the economic impact wasnt even a blip on the radar screen of American commerce. The effect was however, a more than adequate demonstration to the American people of the sheer numbers of illegal aliens being allowed to live without fear of deportation in the United States while they take jobs from the people of the United States who need them. In turn, the money being made by these illegal invaders is being sent out of the United States to Mexico while American taxpayers foot the medical and welfare bills of the illegal aliens, and while the companies employing the illegal aliens pocket the profit from not paying taxes or benefits, paying lower wages but maintaining comparable market price. And while these illegal invaders blocked streets, caused congestion, and cost American taxpayers the overtime and extra police needed to monitor their illegal activities, not one illegal was deported as required by law. And with the exception of possibly the Honorable Representative Ron Paul (Texas) and the Honorable Representative Tom Tancredo (Colorado), not one United States Senator or Representative had the gumption to stand up and demand these illegal invaders be rounded up and deported. Some explanation of why this did not occur can be found in an article written by Melissa Sattly on August 19, 2001 and published in the Brownsville Herald. In the article a Mexican citizen and former
[CTRL] Sales Calls to Cell Phones start next month!!
-Caveat Lector- Subject: Sales Calls to Cell Phones start next month!! Just a Reminder THE FIRST WEEK OF JANUARY, ALL CELL PHONE NUMBERS ARE BEING RELEASED TO TELEMARKETING COMPANIES AND YOU WILL START TO RECEIVE SALE CALLSYOU WILL BE CHARGED FOR THESE CALLS.. To prevent this, call the following number from your cell phone: 888-382-1222. It is the National DO NOT CALL LIST. It will only take a minute of your time. It blocks your number for 5 years. HELP OTHERS BY PASSING THIS ON TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS OR GO TO: http://www.donotcall.gov/ www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: SECRETARY OF STATE CONDOLEEZA RICE
-Caveat Lector- SECRETARY OF STATE CONDOLEEZA RICE TORTURED VIRGIN By: Novakeo http://www.etherzone.com/2005/nova121205.shtml How far has America fallen from grace, one only requires to watch the Bush administration try to explain their policy of running CIA gulags of torture throughout the world to see how truly despicable the Bush administration is, and how far the mighty have fallen into delusional depravity. Germanys new chancellor Angela Merkel in a classic Freudian slip, nicely outed U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice about American torture gulags in Europe as reported by the Financial Times: Asked whether the two had discussed the alleged kidnapping of Khaled el-Masri, a German citizen, by the CIA two years earlier, Ms Merkel said: I am glad to say that we have talked about the case, which the US has accepted was a mistake. Of course, the Bush administration quickly denied that Rice in any way implied that the United States had anything to do with the kidnapping and torture of a German citizen. Condoleezza Rice's contradictory and lucid false statements about U.S. policy in state sponsored torture come at a time when reports of clandestine American prison camps in Poland, Romania, and Kosovo are being circulated in the media. Condoleezza Rices recent performance in Europe is a window to the dark depths of a decadent administration that has lost in the eyes of the world all credibility and moral standing. How can one defend the use of kidnapping, torture, and outright assassinations of supposed terror suspects when it is an internationally illegal and morally irreprehensible thing for any government to do? How different is this conduct from terrorists kidnapping and beheading Westerners in Iraq? Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice looked like she was this time uncomfortable in telling the big lie in Europe, over and over again. The pretense is over for the public; we know that Ms Rice, a minion for the Vice President and the neoconservative faction of the Bush administration has no credibility as a truthful government official. The Europeans know, a majority of Americans now acknowledge, just about everything about the Bush administrations war on terror is a lie, and that their deception and doubletalk is also immersed in criminal conduct. How does one stand up to the cameras and bold facedly lie to the audience, lie to the world, lie to your own citizens, that America, the so-called beacon of liberty and justice does not torture, does not incarcerate innocent people, when clearly it does. Ms Rice does not do a very good job in convincing the public that the Bush administration does not torture its prisoners; it has become an impossible task to convince people that the United States adheres to the Geneva Conventions when we are faced with the realities of secret flights in Europe, clandestine prison camps, Abu Gharib and Guantanamo Bay. George Bush is good at telling the big lie, because most of the time he believes that the rhetoric that he is spewing is actually true. Dick Cheney is also very adept at telling the big lie because the big lie makes sense to the old man, its good logical defensible public policy. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in Europe that she could give no guarantee that terrorist detainees would not be abused despite clear rules against torture as reported by The Scotsman: Will there be abuses of policy? That's entirely possible, she said on a visit to NATO headquarters. Just because you're a democracy it doesn't mean that you're perfect. According to Ms Rice, democracies are imperfect, torture happens, especially when you are in a struggle with evil terrorists. The United States has rules and regulations about torture that it supposedly adheres too, but, there are always bad people in the system that abuse their positions, torture happens then, it is usually only isolated occurrences, democracies are imperfect after all. This is the twisted logic we must accept as government policy by people who obviously have bloodthirsty contempt for human life and for the rule of law. Torture is happening in U.S. prisons not because of a few bad apples in the system, torture is happening because it is a deliberate obscure policy in the Bush administrations war on terror, they simply believe in it, so they do it. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice should not be making too many more trips like the one in Europe; she is an embarrassment, a two-faced caricature engrossed in a perverse establishment. Condoleezza Rice is awful as Secretary of State; she looks out of place, uncomfortable and inept in explaining the foreign policy of an administration that has lost its way. The Bush administration has proved to be no different from the terrorists they supposedly hate so much. They have destroyed the reputation of a nation that is presently falling into the
[CTRL] A thoughtful comment on the FCC:
-Caveat Lector- If anyones easily offended or sensitive, pass on this one. Not for the kids! Youve been warned. http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The World is Ending...Maybe Tomorrow!
-Caveat Lector- Nickel Ranttm: The World is Ending...Maybe Tomorrow! by Edgar J. Steele October 16, 2005 Good:mp3 audio, 1.5 mb: http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/world16-16.mp3 streaming mp3 Better: mp3 audio, 2.7 mb: http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/world32-24.mp3 streaming mp3
[CTRL] PHARISEE WATCH: War, the American Tsunami, and Dilution, the Politicians' True Love
-Caveat Lector- Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WHTT BOOKSTORE IS OPEN for phone orders and mail orders only WAR, THE AMERICAN TSUNAMI, AND DILUTION, THE POLITICIANS' MEAL TICKET By Charles E. Carlson, 8/18/05 Don't be too quick to blame the administration for its slow response to Katrina. With his popularity dropping, there is nothing the President wants more than to look like humanitarians and peacemakers. Mr. Bush just doesn't know how! The American Tsunami took Washington by surprise because Washington is on a wartime footing and doesn't know how to carry out a friendly rescue. Remember when the Indonesian tsunami came along? Bush made himself look foolish by leaving a couple of zeros off on his first offer of help. Our President offered something like one dollar per victim, making America an incredible cheapskate when compared to other, poorer countries. Maybe he just couldn't bring himself to say sorry, we're spending all our money for war. If politicians and those who groom, elect, and control them (WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS CALLS THEM THE WARMAKERS) could cause natural disasters like this one, wars would be unnecessary. They would just respond to the disasters with photo-ops showing them holding babies or passing out food and be reelected for life. The complete destruction of a city is the most valuable event that could happen for the Warmakers who control our President. It beats war all to pieces as a control mechanism; for they can smile all the while they impose more restrictions on us and dilute our money. Have you noticed that while gas prices spiked to as high as $6.00 per gallon the stock market is standing firm? Wall Street smells a mainline injection of adrenaline on the way from Washington. Disasters, like wars, have their fans! For openers, President Bush has just asked Congress for $62.3 Billion just to get the clean up started(later estimates are up to $200 billion for Katrina alone). You are making a contribution, but most of it will land in the pockets of contractors. $63 billion is about $210.00 for every American man woman and child, $1000.00 for the already dilution pressed family of five. The Superdome says it needs a cool $100 million just to fix its roof. Who do you think will pay for it? This is in addition to the private aid. Who would dare to deny the needs of the tsunami or Katrina victims? What if it does cost the taxpayers a bit of dilution in lieu of taxes, who can object? But wait until you see the results on our way of life! Already there are people being dragged from their homes to make way for the giant corporate occupation of New Orleans while Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) makes huge contracts with their business contacts. The Washington Post recently described FEMA as burning 500 million a day in contracts for temporary housing. The single most important goal of American political leaders (or any politician) is to keep job levels up and to create the illusion of rising prosperity. This is done by diluting the currency--the result of spending money on vitally necessary causes that are, in fact, usually worthless and destructive, like the occupations of Iraq and Palestine, which are also paid for by American taxpayers. Some call this inflation, which is the act of paying for jobs that don't produce anything. It is not easy to produce a valuable product that does not exist beforehand, such as a quart of milk or a pound of oatmeal. Ask any farmer. No government we know of has ever been as successful in doing this as a farmer, and that includes the state of Israel. But it is easy to pay broken people, like those in New Orleans, to pick up garbage or clean up flood-destroyed homes. Non-productive work is an art form perfected by the government. Spending deflationary dollars for questionable causes is the essence of controlling people at every level, whether it's for war or for relief of suffering. Before I go further, tell me readers, do you really believe the poor people in the Gulf coast cites will every get enough of the billions that will be spent, to replace their homes? Fat chance... that's not how the system works. The aid goes for corporate welfare, for the Halliburton's of the world, just like it's doing in Baghdad! The result will be cheap jobs, not cheap homes. When New Orleans is cleared and reclaimed some few years from now, and the dykes again declared to be safe, most of the land will belong to entirely different people than those who now own the little parcels covered with salt water. The owners will have long since defaulted on their mortgages or taxes and lost the land lost the land. The only way for Americans to avoid the dollar dilution that will eventually destroy the commerce of the country (including the stock market and the real estate market) as surely as if we were all under water in New Orleans, is for organized, educated, involved citizens to demand that the federal government stay out. The
[CTRL] FW: [edgeofsports] The Speech Everyone Is Talking About: Etan Thomas Electrifies Anti-War Washington
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Dave Zirin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [edgeofsports] The Speech Everyone Is Talking About: Etan Thomas Electrifies Anti-War Washington The Speech Everyone Is Talking About: Etan Thomas Electrifies Anti-War Washington By Dave Zirin Every generation the wide world of corporate sports produces an athlete with the iron resolve and moral urgency to step off their pedestal and join the fight for social justice. A century ago, it was boxer Jack Johnson, flaunting, as WEB DuBois put it, his unforgivable blackness. In the 1930s, the Brown Bomber Joe Louis and track star Jesse Owens took turns spitting in Hitler's eyes, and Mildred Babe Didrikson continued to show that a woman could be the equal - if not superior of any man. In the 1940s and 50s, Jackie Robinson, Pee Wee Reese, and the Brooklyn Dodgers advanced the cause of civil rights through the transgressive act of the multi-racial double play. In the 1960s, Muhammad Ali, Jim Brown, Bill Russell, David Meggyesy, Tommie Smith, and John Carlos showed how mass struggle could ricochet into the world of sports with electric results. In the 1970s, Billie Jean King used a wicked forehand, and took to the streets, to demand equal rights for women, and Curt Flood showed the labor movement - and the bosses - how to go from crumbs to a bigger piece of the pie. In the 1980s Martina Navratilova came out of the closet and onto centre court, with her girlfriend on her sinewy arm in plain view of all. Today we may just have a figure to join their ranks in the NBAs Etan Thomas. Regular readers of this column will know that I have interviewed the Washington Wizards' Power Forward on numerous occasions and highlighted his views on everything from the death penalty to the ravages of Hurricane Katrina. He is also the author of a book of poems called More Than An Athlete. But this past weekend, Etan made a play for pantheon status. Etan took it to that Ali level, by delivering a blistering poetical speech as part of the weekends anti-war demonstrations in Washington DC. His contribution, which was played in its entirety on Democracy Now!, is being hailed as the best of the day in various nooks and crannies of the blogosphere. Here is the transcript. Read and pass it along it has the power to topple tyrants. Giving all honor, thanks and praises to God for courage and wisdom, this is a very important rally. I'd like to thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts, feelings and concerns regarding a tremendous problem that we are currently facing. This problem is universal, transcending race, economic background, religion, and culture, and this problem is none other than the current administration which has set up shop in the White House. In fact, I'd like to take some of these cats on a field trip. I want to get big yellow buses with no air conditioner and no seatbelts and round up Bill O'Reilly, Pat Buchanan, Trent Lott, Sean Hannity, Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Bush Jr. and Bush Sr., John Ashcroft, Giuliani, Ed Gillespie, Katherine Harris, that little bow-tied Tucker Carlson and any other right-wing conservative Republicans I can think of, and take them all on a trip to the hood. Not to do no 30-minute documentary. I mean, I want to drop them off and leave them there, let them become one with the other side of the tracks, get them four mouths to feed and no welfare, have scare tactics run through them like a laxative, criticizing them for needing assistance. Id show them working families that make too much to receive welfare but not enough to make ends meet. Id employ them with jobs with little security, let them know how it feels to be an employee at will, able to be fired at the drop of a hat. Id take away their opportunities, then try their children as adults, sending their 13-year-old babies to life in prison. Id sell them dreams of hopelessness while spoon-feeding their young with a daily dose of inferior education. Id tell them no child shall be left behind, then take more money out of their schools, tell them to show and prove themselves on standardized exams testing their knowledge on things that they havent been taught, and then Id call them inferior. Id soak into their interior notions of endless possibilities. Id paint pictures of assisted productivity if they only agreed to be all they can be, dress them up with fatigues and boots with promises of pots of gold at the end of rainbows, free education to waste terrain on those who finish their bid. Then Id close the lid on that barrel of fools gold by starting a war, sending their children into the midst of a hostile situation, and while they're worried about their babies being murdered and slain in foreign lands, Id grace them with the pain of being sick and unable to get medicine. Give them health benefits that barely cover the common cold. John Q. would become their
[CTRL] FW: The Republican Circle of Life
-Caveat Lector- It's really funny to see how everything that goes around, comes around. I know these guys forgot about tape recordings. Quotes from when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia: You can support the troops but not the president. --Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years. --Joe Scarborough (R-FL) Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life? --Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99 [The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy. --Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy. --Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy. --Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area. --Senator Trent Lott (R-MS) I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today --Rep Tom Delay (R-TX) Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. --Governor George W. Bush (R-TX) www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Arresting Humor
-Caveat Lector- What we need the most is to laugh, yet our humorless society wants to criminalize wit. By William Marvel http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=1154mode=threadorder=0thold=0 Recently a young man with a mischievous sense of humor walked into our local Wal-Mart wearing an orange jump suit and a pair of handcuffs. He approached a clerk and asked if he could buy a hacksaw, probably anticipating some amusement at the store employees momentary puzzlement, but some humorless Wal-Mart worker called the police. Now the young man faces a charge of disorderly conducta charge the state concocted to facilitate the prosecution of people who havent really committed a crime. What the jokester forgot was that people who work at Wal-Mart are trained to view everyone as criminals. Anyone who doubts that need only shop there, and wait to be accosted between the cash register and the front door by the Receipt Nazis, who arbitrarily insult selected customers by demanding proofs of purchase from whatever class of person excites their particular prejudices. Wal-Mart reputedly harbors just as little trust for its employees as for its customers, which makes it easier to understand such instinctive suspicion. Still, someone with a little discretion might have wondered why the young mans jump suit lacked jail stenciling, or how an escaped prisoner would have the cash to buy a hacksaw, or why a fugitive would linger long enough in a public establishment for the police to arrive. Maybe someone was desperate for an employee-of-the-week award, for vigilance and initiative. Presumably the real complaint entails the police time that was wasted in responding to the call, but is that entirely the fault of the prankster or of the clerk who failed to get the joke? Of course the official response would be to praise the Wal-Mart clerk for doing precisely the right thing, lest criticism discourage the next citizen from calling in a legitimate report. We here in the land of the free are, after all, supposed to be watching each other like hawks. Large digital signs hang over the highways for a 50-mile perimeter outside our national capital, offering a toll-free number at which anyone can leave anonymous tips of suspicious activity. That line must be busy constantly. Suspicious activity seems the norm down there, at least to a provincial like me, although many of the suspicious characters are simply trying to amuse themselves and their fellow citizens. The pestiferous mime, the man walking the invisible dog, the street-corner juggler, and the sidewalk musician have all got to be breaking some sort of law, but more to the point they might all be disguising illicit ulterior motives. A prime example of misdemeanor mirth is the man in the George W. Bush mask, who flexes bloody plastic claws at tourists children and snarls I want you for the U.S. Army. Not only does he defame our peerless leader, but he covers up his identity, and if that isnt suspicious, what is? Surely he must be liable to federal prosecution, especially since he perpetrates his humor inside the District of Columbia, where the infliction of cruel jokes remains the sole prerogative of Congress. How do they get away with it? Last October, a congressional staffer on his way to a Halloween party brought a toy handgun into the Longworth House Office Building in his costume bag, That initiated a lockdown of the entire building and a massive search when the xray machine belatedly revealed the shape of a pistol. Even in that strict and paranoid atmosphere, however, no one was arrested. Last year a student in one of our local schools scribbled a bomb threat that led to the waste of substantial municipal resources, which he evidently knew would happen because of similar incidents at the high school; that student was reportedly identified, but if that resulted in any criminal or even civil action the public has not been informed of it. It would therefore seem a minor tragedy if a kid who was merely trying to provoke people to hilarity with a harmless stunt were brought before the bench because of it. Alan Funt did as much, and worse, for Candid Camera. If each of us who would stoop to humor must first stop and consider every literalist simpleton who might deem it worthy of drastic action, those with wits enough to appreciate good jokes will be forever starved of them. The greatest pity is that what the majority of people on this planet need most these days is a good laugh. William Marvel is a free-lance writer and U.S. Army veteran living in northern New Hampshire. His books include Andersonville: The Last Depot and Lee's Last Retreat: The Flight to Appomattox. You can send your comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted Wednesday, August 31, 2005 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot
[CTRL] Time to impeach Bush - Patrick J. Buchanan
-Caveat Lector- http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46019 A national emergency: Time to impeach Bush By Patrick J. Buchanan Posted: August 29, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern On Aug. 12, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson declared a state of emergency due to a on his southern border. Three days later, Gov. Janet Napolitano followed suit in Arizona. Reason: the crisis on the border. The ally-ally-in-free immigration policy of George Bush and Vicente Fox, beloved of corporate America, has created a hell on our southern border. Those Southwestern states are being inundated by illegal aliens trashing ranches, killing cattle, committing crimes and eating up tax dollars. The traffic in narcotics and human beings from Mexico is a national scandal and a human-rights disgrace. What is true of New Mexico and Arizona is true of our nation, which is now home to an estimated 10 million to 15 million aliens who have broken our laws and broken into our country. It is a mark of the cowardice of our leaders that they are so terrified of being called bigots they tolerate this criminality. The moral rot of political correctness runs deep today in both national parties. A president like Teddy Roosevelt would have led the Army to the border years ago. And if Fox did not cooperate, T.R. would have gone on to Mexico City. Nor would Ike, who deported all illegal aliens in 1953, have stood still for this being done to the country he had defended in war. What are these Bush Republicans afraid of? Dirty looks from the help at the country club? The question of whether America is going to remain one nation, or whether our Southwest will wind up as a giant Kosovo separated by language and loyalty from the rest of America is on the table. Where is Bush? All wrapped up in the issue of whether women in Najaf will have the same rights in divorce and custody cases as women in Nebraska. His legislative agenda for the fall includes a blanket amnesty for illegals, so they can be exploited by businesses who want to hold wages down as they dump the social costs for their employees health care, schools, courts, cops, prisons onto taxpayers. Not only have Richardson and Napolitano awakened they are on the front lines so, too, has Hillary Clinton, who has spoken out against illegal immigration with a forthrightness that makes Bush sound like a talking head for La Raza. Why is a Republican Congress permitting this president to persist in the dereliction of his sworn duty? George Bush is chief executive of the United States. It is his duty to enforce the laws. Can anyone fairly say he is enforcing the immigration laws? Those laws are clear. People who break in are to be sent back. Yet, more than 10 million have broken in with impunity. Another million attempt to break in every year. Half a million succeed. Border security is homeland security. How, then, can the Department of Homeland Security say America is secure? Who can guarantee that, of the untold millions of illegals here, and the scores of thousands ordered deported for crimes who have disappeared into our midst, none is a terrorist waiting for orders to blow up a subway or mall and massacre American citizens? Most of these illegals come to work to send money back to their families. They are not bad people. But because they are predominantly young and male, they commit a disproportionate share of violent crimes. Why should U.S. citizens be assaulted, robbed, raped and murdered, and have their children molested, because their government will not enforce its own laws? Is this not an indictment of democracy itself? What dictatorial regime would put up with this? The Republican Party claims to be a conservative party. But what kind of conservative is it who, to cut a few costs or make a few bucks, will turn his family's home into a neighborhood flop house? In a recent poll, 40 percent of Mexicans 40 million people said they would like to come to the United States, and 20 percent expressed a willingness to break in. Time to cut the babble about how NAFTA is going to solve the problem. This is a national emergency. Twice, George Bush has taken an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Article IV, Section 4 of that Constitution reads, The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion. Well, we are being invaded, and the president of the United States is not doing his duty to protect the states against that invasion. Some courageous Republican, to get the attention of this White House, should drop into the hopper a bill of impeachment, charging George W. Bush with a conscious refusal to uphold his oath and defend the states of the Union against invasion. It may be the only way left to get his attention, before the border vanishes and our beloved
[CTRL] FW: 50 Million Mexicans willing to cross Our Border Illegally
-Caveat Lector- What a frightening thought, considering our government has no desire, plans or thoughts of resisting any one from coming across our borders, instead, are encouraging it! ~MAC - Original Message - From: W.G.E.N. Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 8:03 PM Subject: INS: 50 Million Mexicans willing to cross Our Border Illegally VICENTE FOX, MEXICAN PRESIDENT (through translator): My call to the United States government, whether it's state or the federal government, instead of criticizing we should make suggestions. Instead of working each side on their own, we should work together. That's the only way we will be able to win. How much more help does Fox want from Bush? Fox is ticked that he isn't *wining* - meaning that America becomes Northern Mexico. Jackie Juntti WGEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prayer, Don't leave Home without it. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/17/ldt.01.html [excerpt from 8/17/05 Lou Dobbs show] Still ahead, new fears that the illegal immigration crisis in this country could escalate dramatically. It turns out that half of Mexico's population wants to come to the United States. And new details tonight of how British police bungled a surveillance operation against radical Islamist terrorists and killed an innocent Brazilian citizen. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) DOBBS: There are heightened concerns tonight about the escalating illegal immigration and border security crisis that squarely faces this country. Now as many as 50 million citizens of Mexico say they want to come to the United States, and many of them say they're willingly ready to cross our border illegally. Casey Wian reports. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Nearly half of Mexico's 106 million people want out of their country. Two surveys of Mexicans conducted in February and May of this year by the Pew Hispanic Center found 41 and 46 percent would go to live in the United States if they had the means and opportunity. Incredibly, 21 percent, or more than 20 million people, say they would be inclined to cross the border illegally. GARY HUFBAUER, INST. FOR INTERNATIONAL ECONOMICS: There's a huge gap there in income, and, of course, America seems like the promised land to poor Mexicans, but even to middle-income Mexicans. WIAN: In fact, the survey challenges the popular notion that only the poorest Mexicans flee to the United States. The desire to leave Mexico was almost identical across income groups. STEVEN CAMAROTA, CENTER FOR IMMIGRATION STUDIES: What the survey showed is that educated and uneducated people both want to come to the United States, which is important, because it suggests that immigration to the U.S. isn't just an act of desperation. And it isn't motivated by just wage differentials. It's motivated by lots of things. WIAN: Including the desire to escape rampant corruption, inefficient bureaucracy, and escalating violence, especially along the border. On that front, Mexican President Vicente Fox reacted to the recent declarations of states of emergency by the governors of New Mexico and Arizona. VICENTE FOX, MEXICAN PRESIDENT (through translator): My call to the United States government, whether it's state or the federal government, instead of criticizing we should make suggestions. Instead of working each side on their own, we should work together. That's the only way we will be able to win. WIAN: But a scheduled meeting Wednesday between Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her Mexican counterpart was canceled. SEAN MCCORMACK, STATE DEPT. SPOKESMAN: This was through mutual -- mutual agreement. It had nothing to do with policy matters. WIAN: Both the United States and Mexico say their relationship remains strong. Still, news this week that Mexico's economy weakened in the second quarter is another blow to the Mexican people. And another incentive to cross the border. (END VIDEOTAPE) WIAN: Now, Mexico's economy is struggling, even though oil prices are at record highs. Instead of tapping into its massive oil reserves, Mexico has become increasingly dependent on money its citizens send home from the United States -- Lou. DOBBS: Increasingly dependent. Those remittances now their number one source of capital from abroad, eclipsing their oil industry in Mexico, Casey. This is an extraordinary... WIAN: Approaching $20 billion. DOBBS: I'm sorry? WIAN: And approaching $20 billion a year. DOBBS: And this is an extraordinary survey put out by the Pew Hispanic Center. I don't know of another example in which nearly half of the people of a country would say they're willing to -- willing -- they're eager to leave their home of birth to migrate. It's extraordinary. WIAN: It really is. And it does not bode well for Mexico's future, because overwhelmingly, the people who want to leave Mexico tend to be younger. And they, you would think, would be the best hope for economic turnaround
[CTRL] Election Fraud Continues in the US
-Caveat Lector- Published on Saturday, August 13,2005 by CommonDreams.org Election Fraud Continues in the US New Data Shows Widespread Vote Manipulations in 2004 By Peter Phillips http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0813-29.htm In the fall of 2001, after an eight-month review of 175,000 Florida ballots never counted in the 2000 election, an analysis by the National Opinion Research Center confirmed that Al Gore actually won Florida and should have been President. However, coverage of this report was only a small blip in the corporate media as a much bigger story dominated the news after September 11, 2001. New research compiled by Dr. Dennis Loo with the University of Cal Poly Pomona now shows that extensive manipulation of non-paper-trail voting machines occurred in several states during the 2004 election. The facts are as follows: In 2004 Bush far exceeded the 85% of registered Florida Republican votes that he got in 2000, receiving more than 100% of the registered Republican votes in 47 out of 67 Florida counties, 200% of registered Republicans in 15 counties, and over 300% of registered Republicans in 4 counties. Bush managed these remarkable outcomes despite the fact that his share of the crossover votes by registered Democrats in Florida did not increase over 2000, and he lost ground among registered Independents, dropping 15 points. We also know that Bush won Ohio by 51-48%, but statewide results were not matched by the court-supervised hand count of the 147,400 absentee and provisional ballots in which Kerry received 54.46% of the vote. In Cuyahoga County, Ohio the number of recorded votes was more than 93,000 greater than the number of registered voters. More importantly national exit polls showed Kerry winning in 2004. However, It was only in precincts where there were no paper trails on the voting machines that the exit polls ended up being different from the final count. According to Dr. Steve Freeman, a statistician at the University of Pennsylvania, the odds are 250 million to one that the exit polls were wrong by chance. In fact, where the exit polls disagreed with the computerized outcomes the results always favored Bush - another statistical impossibility. . Dennis Loo writes, A team at the University of California at Berkeley, headed by sociology professor Michael Hout, found a highly suspicious pattern in which Bush received 260,000 more votes in those Florida precincts that used electronic voting machines than past voting patterns would indicate compared to those precincts that used optical scan read votes where past voting patterns held. There is now strong statistical evidence of widespread voting machine manipulation occurring in US elections since 2000. Coverage of the fraud has been reported in independent media and various websites. The information is not secret. But it certainly seems to be a taboo subject for the US corporate media. Black Box Voting reported on March 9, 2005 that voting machines used by over 30 million voters were easily hacked by relatively unsophisticated programs and audits of the computers would not show the changes. It is very possible that a small team of hackers could have manipulated the 2004 and earlier elections in various locations throughout the United States. Irregularities in the vote counts certainly indicate that something beyond chance occurrences has been happening in recent elections. That a special interest group might try to cheat on an election in the United States is nothing new. Historians tell us how local political machines from both major parties have in the past used methods of double counting, ballot box stuffing, poll taxes and registration manipulation to affect elections. In the computer age, however, election fraud can occur externally without local precinct administrators having any awareness of the manipulations - and the fraud can be extensive enough to change the outcome of an entire national election. There is little doubt key Democrats know that votes in 2004 and earlier elections were stolen. The fact that few in Congress are complaining about fraud is an indication of the totality to which both parties accept the status quo of a money based elections system. Neither party wants to further undermine public confidence in the American democratic process (over 80 millions eligible voters refused to vote in 2004). Instead we will likely see the quiet passing of legislation that will correct the most blatant problems. Future elections in the US will continue as an equal opportunity for both parties to maintain a national democratic charade in which money counts more than truth. Peter Phillips is a Professor of Sociology at Sonoma State University and Director of Project Censored. Dennis Loo's
[CTRL] FW: Zombies in the Fog of War- a soldier's confession from Iraq. The view you wouldn't hear about from the OZ media.
-Caveat Lector- Zombies in the Fog of War Tricked into enlisting, US soldier found most soldiers would rather self-mutilate than serve in Iraq. Dateline: Sunday, July 24, 2005 as told by Joshua Key, and written up by Annick Cojean for LeMonde I am a deserter. One morning in December, 2003, I put my family into an old car, bought for $600, and left the military base in Colorado Springs, where I was on leave. I did not want to return to Iraq. I did not want to participate in this war based on lies. I did not want to kill any Iraqi civilians. I did not want to participate in the slaughter. I understand my fellow citizens consider me a coward and a traitor. But I don't give a damn. To each his own conscience. I also know that I will never benefit from an amnesty. When one is in the military one does not desert. But I take responsibility for this. I can live with this. Not with Iraq. My name is Joshua Key. I was born in 1978 in Guthrie, in central Oklahoma. My family worked on a ranch. We had a hard time making ends meet, but I loved the outdoor life, amongst cowboys, and where we didn't have to wear shoes until we started school. I married Brandi after high school. We were the same age, and from the same background. I dreamt of becoming a welder, but I didn't have money for school. So I looked for work doing anything. But there was no future in Guthrie, which has no industry. We went to Wisconsin, then returned, as we found nothing. Our future seemed dim, and we already had two children. The recruiter promised me a paycheck, a health care plan, instruction in a skilled trade, and no overseas deployment. He lied. It was then I met the recruiters from the Army. It was February, 2002. They knew how to talk to me, that's for sure! They held out the prospect of leaving Oklahoma and living a grand adventure. They told me that not only was I going to serve my country, but I was going to afford my family exceptional advantages: a good health care plan, a regular paycheck, money for study after leaving the Army, and I'd learn to build bridges, which would be a marketable skill in civilian life. Not only that, they told me, because I was the head of a family, I'd be assigned to a regiment that would never be sent overseas. My recruiter promised me this while looking me straight in the eye. By April 1st I had signed up for three years; it was a done deal. I was content, happy to be involved with something bigger than myself, something that would assure the future of my family. I left for boot camp in Missouri, leaving Brandi pregnant with our third child. How could we explain that the most powerful army on earth, with the greatest technology, would lack food and water for their troops? But right away I became disenchanted. The promises of the recruiter and the reality were two different things. I wasn't there to build bridges, but to learn to destroy them; I was assigned to mine training, to become a sapper. I called Brandi: I've been fooled! After several months of training I was re-assigned to Fort Carson, Colorado, to the 43rd Company of Combat Engineers. Brandi came to live on the base with the kids. And, in the fall of 2002, the rumours about Baghdad began. Everything was done from the perspective of fighting in the desert, against Iraqi troops. The war games became more intense. Whole regiments were kept on stand-by. Be ready to leave from one day to the next, we were told. And myself, I kept on believing, clinging to their promises. I couldn't believe they'd lie to me. I wanted to put the question to an officer, but I was made to understand that I should keep quiet if I didn't want my family to suffer. I was trapped. The war started on March 19th, 2003. Our equipment was on the trains, ready to leave for Kuwait. It was a long journey. There was still hope that the war would be over fast. On April 1st we were told In ten days boys, you're leaving. I was in shock. The only way to boost our morale was to tell ourselves that at least the cause was just: that Saddam had the most bloodthirsty regime on the planet, that he possessed weapons of mass destruction, a super powerful army, and that to rid the world of the al-Qaeda terrorists we had to capture Iraq. Dirty, hungry, sleep-deprived, we were ready to open fire on anything that moved, always on edge. Obviously learning via television that France, Germany and Canada would not support the war shook me up. But President Bush ordered us to go to war. It was not open for discussion. I arrived in Kuwait on April 10th, and we were stationed in the desert until the 27th. In a furnace. With two bottles of water per day, as opposed to the six necessary ones. And on one meal per day, as opposed to three. We couldn't understand: how could we explain that the most powerful army on earth, with the greatest technology, would lack food and water for their troops? We were dehydrated, we were hungry; in the dunes with the sand getting into
[CTRL] When Armageddon Gets No Press
-Caveat Lector- The Neo-Shill Media By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08022005.html What has become of the print and TV media watchdogs who hounded President Nixon from office because he lied about when he learned of a minor burglary of no consequence in itself? What became of the watchdog media that bayed after President Reagan because some low level neoconservative officials sold arms to Iran and diverted the money to anti-communist insurgents in Latin America? President Clinton was impeached by the House, though not convicted by the Senate, for lying about a sexcapade with a White House intern. Now that we really need them, the watchdog media has hired out as public relations and propaganda shills for the Bush administration and the neocon network. The entire Bush administration-not merely the president-is involved in the most extraordinary lies and fabrication of false intelligence claims in order to lead America into an unwarranted and illegal invasion of Iraq, an invasion that has cost the US taxpayers $300 billion and resulted in the deaths and maiming of tens of thousands of people. The sordid affair has been revealed in leaked top secret Downing Street memos, which were prepared for UK prime minister Tony Blair and his cabinet. Unlike the Nixon episode, there is no need to search for a smoking gun. Smoking guns have been printed all over the pages of the London Times. Yet hardly a peep from the watchdog media. The August 1 issue of The American Conservative reports that Vice President Cheney has instructed the US Strategic Command to prepare a plan to spread the war by attacking Iran with tactical nuclear weapons in the event of another terrorist attack on the US. Appalled US Air Force officers have leaked the story, but you have not learned of it from the tamed media. A federal prosecutor seems to be closing in on Karl Rove, president Bush's righthand man, and on Scooter Libby, vice president Cheney's righthand man. The two are suspected of leaking the identity of a covert CIA agent, a felony. Both have had to hire lawyers. But there is no demand for accountability from the US media. American civil liberties have been trounced by the Patriot Act. Torture of detainees is now a routine practice of the US government and defended by the attorney general. Senators and military officers who try to place constraints on the inhumane treatment of detainees are stonewalled by the White House. The mainstream media has been co-opted as propaganda organ for the Bush administration. How did this come about? It came about through media concentration. There are no longer independent voices in the mainstream media. American news reporting is a corporate operation run with a view to advertising profits and the accommodation of government in order to protect holdings of valuable federal licenses. For reporters and editors, knowing what to say and not to say is the main qualification for job security. A person who wants to find out anything must go online and spend time learning the sites that are trustworthy. The Internet, thought invaluable for spreading news, hasn't the impact on the public of a story pounded over and over on TV news or newspaper front pages. Exposure on the Internet doesn't have the same embarrassment factor as exposure on TV news and the New York Times front page. The public is still socialized into taking its cue from the old TV and print media. This media is now heavily controlled, partly through job fears of editors and reporters. This raises the question whether government officials who have broken the law and betrayed trust will be held accountable. Consider the implications if the Bush administration escapes accountability: The executive branch will have established itself as above the law. The executive, armed with a compliant media, will have war-making power subject only to successful PR spin. It means the final end of the people's right to declare war via elected representatives in Congress. The few remaining restraints on the executive's ability to detain people indefinitely without charges will be removed. This power will silence the Internet. Spiteful neighbors, employees, former spouses, whomever will gain the power to report any disliked person. The anti-terrorist apparatus needs victims to demonstrate its effectiveness, and as warrants, hearings, and evidence are no longer required, Americans will simply disappear like Soviet citizens in the Stalin era. The imperial judiciary will disappear overnight. No checks and balances will remain. Gentle reader, you can continue with this theme in How the Worst Get on Top, a chapter in F.A. Hayek's classic, The Road to Serfdom. You might as well learn what it is going to be like as you are already half way there. The worst rise rapidly as the honest depart the corrupt system. Two US Military prosecutors, Major Robert Preston and Captain John Carr, resigned after denouncing rigged
[CTRL] London Bombing Everything You Know Is Wrong
-Caveat Lector- London calling Ian Fraser: FRASER'S RAZOR 20 July 2005 07:00 As the lies and misinformation continue to mount with regard to the London bombings, the corporate media both there and here continue to parrot the official story, regardless of the evidence showing that what happened in London seems to be something entirely different. I thought some useful links showing you the gulf between reality and what the TV and newspapers are trying to make you believe is the truth are worth pointing out, so that you can make your own mind up as to what happened -- and what is happening. Starting off, isn't it suspicious that a crisis-management firm was conducting a bombing exercise involving the London underground at exactly the same time as the real bombings? Naturally it isn't saying who its clients were: Bombing Exercises. Download a 550k MP3 of the interview, taken off BBC Radio, with the MD of the crisis-management company here. Note also the strangely mutating story of what actually happened. To start with, it's noteworthy that an ex-Mossad chief, writing on the same day of the bombings, seemed to know more than everyone else. Look at the first sentence from this Jerusalem Post article. First read the article from the same day of the bombing, Rules of Conflict for a World War Here's the BBC's report from three days later, when the police officially stated that the bombs happened within seconds of each other: Tube Bombs Almost Simultaneous. Again, note the first paragraph referring to a stunning revision of the time between the blasts, as late as Sunday July 9, at Clues Emerge in Bombing. You have to ask how someone writing on the day of the bombings knew something that no one else (apart from the bombers themselves, that is) knew for nearly three days. And don't forget how the explosives themselves changed from being firmly described by a senior French police official sent to help with the initial investigation as being of military origin to being homemade from pharmacy ingredients. Then, the explosives were not only homemade, but the same as used by suicide bombers in the Middle East and with a sexy nickname (presumably for the media to feed on), namely The Mother of Satan. (This is an interestingly weird name, given that the United States produces more explosives and munitions than any other state in the world, and is generally called The Great Satan. You'd have to ask just who exactly would call bombs for use against this state the Mother of Satan.) Now there are supposedly bomb-making factories (which the bombers families didn't know about), and a very surprised holidaymaker in Egypt has been arrested. Read Hunted Chemistry Expert Arrested. Quietly, the following news item appeared via news agency AFP: British Police Face Doubts over Bombing Role by Egyptian. (Want to bet that, seeing how Egypt isn't playing according to the script, there's going to be a terror attack in Egypt within a week or so of this announcement, to bring it in line with the official story? Watch this space.) Back to the unfolding story. Oddly, Israel features again -- thanks to an Associated Press article, reporting that Israeli Finance Minister Was Warned by British Police ahead of First Blast. According to Stratfor Consulting Intelligence Agency, the warnings ahead of the first blast came not hours, but days before -- and they report that rumours suggest that (oddly enough, just as with 9/11) that it was Israel Who Warned the United Kingdom Government. By July 8, however, Israel is telling its officials to keep quiet and let the official story take over -- read between the lines at the Jerusalem Post's Israeli Missing in London. What suicide bombers? Note this early quote from July 9: Deputy Assistant Police Commissioner Brian Paddick said the near-simultaneous nature of the attacks indicated timers -- not suicide bombers -- set off the explosions. And remember that website, apparently run by al-Qaeda, that claimed responsibility for the London attack? The sheep of the media leapt on this for a while. What wasn't given as much prominence was the fact that not only does this site operate from Maryland, in the US, but that the owner of the site is friends with members of US President George Bush's family. Read The Guardian article, where this is tucked away within the body of the article:
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] Man shot dead by British police from Brazil: media
-Caveat Lector- Oops. Police said Saturday that the man had been subsequently found to be unconnected to the bombings, describing his death as a tragedy. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceb not soap-boxingb please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'b www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Out of Office AutoReply: [CTRL] Nobody Attacks Civilization
-Caveat Lector- Look at it this way, it just wouldnt be a conspiracy list without themJ From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Shannon Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:54 AM To: CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Out of Office AutoReply: [CTRL] Nobody Attacks Civilization So we have an ADL monitor, eh??? Interesting. ---Original Message--- From: Cantor, David Date: 07/10/05 13:36:57 To: Bill Shannon Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [CTRL] Nobody Attacks Civilization I no longer work for the ADL. Please send inquiries and information to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Thank you. . www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ??not soap-boxingâ??please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â??with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ??is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sex Rules For The House Gym
-Caveat Lector- You learn something every day. I was under the impression that Congress was totally useless. I stand corrected, they are just mostly useless. BillK -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/2/2003 8:25:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rep. Michael Oxley (R-Ohio), who chairs the informal House gym committee, was unaware that the pamphlet is available in the facility until a reporter brought it to his attention. After briefly glancing at the guide, he declined to say whether it was appropriate material for the House gym. It's probably none of your business anyway, Oxley said. Well, you know how it is. Republicans never think anything they do is anyone else's business. This does explain, however, the Republican fixation on oral sex. Since they were all more than mature adults, one would imagine they knew a bit about various sexual practices. Well that's not true at all. They're obviously still learning. The constant prattle about oral sex on the evening news was not meant simply to introduce our children to the practice; it was to be instructional to the members of Congress themselves. Did they ever put it out in comic book form? Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance#8212;not soap-boxing#8212;please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'#8212;with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds#8212;is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/2/2003 8:25:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rep. Michael Oxley (R-Ohio), who chairs the informal House gym committee, was unaware that the pamphlet is available in the facility until a reporter brought it to his attention. After briefly glancing at the guide, he declined to say whether it was appropriate material for the House gym. "It's probably none of your business anyway," Oxley said. Well, you know how it is. Republicans never think anything they do is anyone else's business. This does explain, however, the Republican fixation on oral sex. Since they were all more than mature adults, one would imagine they knew a bit about various sexual practices. Well that's not true at all. They're obviously still learning. The constant prattle about oral sex on the evening news was not meant simply to introduce our children to the practice; it was to be instructional to the members of Congress themselves. Did they ever put it out in comic book form? Prudy A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
[CTRL] Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq?
-Caveat Lector- Shamelessly stolen from: http://www.livejournal.com/community/guerillanews/167099.html iq test from daniel quinn: Take the War on Iraq IQ Test Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq? 1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S. have? A: 6% 2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have? A: 50% 3. Q: Which country has the largest oil reserves? A: Saudi Arabia 4. Q: Which country has the second largest oil reserves? A: Iraq 5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year worldwide? A: $900+ billion 6. Q: How much of this is spent by the U.S.? A: 50% 7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the UN? A: 10% (that's about $40 billion, the amount of funding initially requested to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan). 8. Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II? A: 86 million 9. Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons? A: Since the early 1980's. 10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical biological weapons on their own? A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US government, along with Britain and private corporations. 11. Q: Did the US government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare against Iran? A: No 12. Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988? A: 5,000 13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time? A: 0 14. Q: How many gallons of agent Orange did America use in Vietnam? A: 17 million. 15. Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and September 11th terrorist attack? A: No 16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf War? A: 35,000 17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the western forces during the Gulf War ? A: 0 18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U.S. tanks with ploughs mounted on the front? A: 6,000 19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and Kuwait after the Gulf War? A: 40 tons 20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq between 1991 and 1994? A: 700% 21. Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it had destroyed in 1991? A: 80% 22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything other than deterrence and self defense? A: No 23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years ago? A: No 24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of an attack on Iraq in 2002/3? A: 10,000 25. Q: What percentage of these will be children? A: Over 50% 26. Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq? A: 11 years 27. Q: Was the U.S and the UK at war with Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999? A: No 28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December 1998 and September 1999? A: 20 million 29. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports? A: 12 years 30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000 births)? A: 38 31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999 (per 1,000 births)? A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%) 32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a result of UN sanctions? A: 1.5 million 33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to sanctions since 1997? A: 750,000 34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq? A: No 35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998? A: 300 36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems? A: 5 37. Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath Party HQ? A: Yes 38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history. A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief. 39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and dismantled? A: 90% 40. Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in? A: Yes 41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992? A: Over 65 42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did America veto between 1972 and 1990? A: 30+ 44. Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons? A: 8 45. Q: How many nuclear warheads has Iraq got? A: 0 46. Q: How many nuclear warheads has US got? A: over 10,000 47. Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons? A: the US 48. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Israel have? A: Over 400 50. Q: Who said, Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
Re: [CTRL] This One Won't Hunt
-Caveat Lector- Does this mean she's coming back? Madonna reportedly fed up with English way of life January 6 2003 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] This One Won't Hunt
-Caveat Lector- No, coming back to the States. -Caveat Lector- On 5 Jan 2003 at 14:36, Bill Kalivas wrote: Does this mean she's coming back? As in making a come-back? A:E:R A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Drug War Whackos More Nuts Then Ever
-Caveat Lector- Does anyone else get the feeling we're being ruled over by lunatics? If only we'd get as serious about DOCTOR prescribed drug reactions, we might make a dent into the drug problem. But I guess it's better to lock people up like animals. I'm embarrassed too. BillK -Caveat Lector- These Drug War Nuts are fanatics. States are going broke, terrorists are hiding among us, and these guys only care about busting pot smokers. Makes one embarassed to be an American citizen. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Politics Of Despair -
-Caveat Lector- I think you might find this of interest! http://www.rense.com/general32/Polds.htm A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Stepford Citizen Syndrome: Top Ten Signs Your Neighbor is Brainwashed
-Caveat Lector- http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/09/05_stepford.html A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Slavery Reparations
-Caveat Lector- Slavery Reparations, by Fred Reed On the Web Fred Reed is a former Marine and well-known syndicated satirist. Sometimes he hits really close to the mark! I find that Henry Louis Gates, Jr., the chairman of Afro-American Studies at Harvard, is demanding that whites pay reparations to blacks. It's because of slavery, see. He is joined in this endeavor by a gaggle of other professional blacks. I guess he'll send me a bill, huh? I feel like saying, "Let me get this straight, Hank. I'm slow. Be patient. You want free money because of slavery, right? "I don't blame you. I'd like free money too. Tell you what. I believe in justice. I'll give you a million dollars for every slave I own, and another million for every year you were a slave. Fair enough? "But tell me, how many slaves do you suppose I have? In round numbers, I mean. Say to the nearest dozen. And how long were you a slave?" "Oh." "In other words, I owe you reparations for something that I didn't do and didn't happen to you. That makes sense. Like lug nuts on a birthday cake. "Personally, I think you owe me reparations for things you didn't do and never happened to me. I've never been coated in Dutch chocolate and thrown from the Eiffel Tower. I'll bet you've never done it to anyone. "I want reparations." Kinda silly, isn't it? But if we're going to talk about reparations, that's a street that runs in two directions. You want money from me for what some other whites did to some other blacks in another century. How about you guys paying whites reparations for current expenses caused by blacks? Not long ago blacks burned down half of Los Angeles, a city in my country. Cities are expensive, Hank. Build one sometime and you'll see what I mean. Whites had to pay taxes to repair Los Angeles for you. You can send me a check. Now, yes, I know you burned L.A. because you didn't like the verdict in the trial of those police officers. Well, I didn't like the verdict in the Simpson trial. But I didn't burn my house and loot Korean grocers. Over the years blacks have burned a lot of American cities: Newark, Detroit, Watts, on and on. Now add in the fantastic cost over the years of welfare in all its forms, of large police forces and jails and security systems in department stores. I can't live in the capital city of my own country because of crime committed by blacks. Toss in the cultural cost of lowering standards in everything for the benefit of blacks. See what I mean? Now, I'd view things differently if you said, "Fred, blacks can't get anywhere in a modern country without education. We know that. We need better schools, smarter teachers, harder courses, books with smaller pictures and bigger words. Can you help us?" I'd say, "Hallelujah! Hoo-ahh! Not just yes, but hell yes. Let's sell an aircraft carrier and get these folks some real schools and get them into the economic mainstream." I'd say it partly because it would be the right thing to do, and partly, because I'd like to add you guys to the tax base. The current custodial state is expensive. I'd just love for blacks to study and learn to compete and stop burning places. "But is it going to happen? "You may not believe it, but I, and most whites, don't like seeing blacks as miserable and screwed up as they are. I spend a fair amount of time in the projects. Those places are ugly. It's no fun watching perfectly good kids turn into semiliterate dope dealers, who barely speak English. It just plain ain't right. But, Hank, what am I supposed to do about it? I can't do your children's homework. At some point, people have to do things for themselves, or they don't get done. "Maybe it's time. "I'll tell you what I see out in the world, Hank. I think blacks are too accustomed to getting anything they want by just demanding it. True, it has worked for over half a century. Get a few hundred people in the street, implicitly threaten to loot and burn, holler about slavery, and the Great White Cash Spigot turns on. "Thing is, whites don't much buy it any longer. Most recognize that what once was a civil-rights movement has become a shakedown game. Few people still feel responsible for the failings and inadequacies of blacks. Political correctness keeps the lid on -- but everyone knows the score. Which scares me, Hank. On one hand, blacks hate whites and incline toward looting and burning. (The whites you hate are the ones who marched in the civil-rights movement. Ever think about that?) "On the other hand, whites quietly grow wearier and wearier of it. "Not good. "On the third hand (allow me three hands, for rhetorical convenience), blacks keep demanding things. "As I write, you demand reparations for slavery. Blacks in Oklahoma (I think it was) want money for some ancient race riot. Other blacks reject the Declaration of Independence, blacks in New York hint broadly at burning and looting over a trial, yet more demand the
Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence
-Caveat Lector- How about not suppling both sides with weapons? It would be a lot less global if they had only rocks to throw at each other. BillK Unfortunately there are people on both sides who do not want peace. what can we do about them? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Latest attack on Jews brings a deafening silence
-Caveat Lector- Well stated. Bill, you can't get the toothpaste back into the tube on 12/05/02 6:02 AM, Bill Kalivas at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- How about not suppling both sides with weapons? It would be a lot less global if they had only rocks to throw at each other. BillK Unfortunately there are people on both sides who do not want peace. what can we do about them? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dick Up to old Tricks: Rolling in Laughter, Grave Laughter
-Caveat Lector- See http://www.trialofhenrykissinger.org/ I'm sure we'll get to the bottom of the 911 controversy now A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] POLITICAL CHRISTIANITY AND AMERICA
-Caveat Lector- POLITICAL CHRISTIANITY AND AMERICAA LESSON FROM HISTORY By: Novakeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] If history is to serve mankind in any positive way, we must collectively endeavor to learn from it, especially from past mistakes in socio-political behavior. There is a dangerous development within this countries political landscape concerning the convergence of interests between many in the Christian right and the Bush government, specifically with Bushs cabal of Israel first fanatics described as neocons or main stream conservatives. This unholy alliance between Christian evangelical dispensationalists, charismatics and the liberals in drag of the Republican Party can be best described as an apostasy for the church and the whoring of its fundamental principles. This vile degenerative union can find in history a familiar parallel of what will be the inevitable maturation and outcome when Gods Kingdom which at present is spiritual and not of this world is converged with human government. We need not look further then Germany in the 1920s and early 1930s to find a similar dimensional parallel. First, we must look at the societal conditions of Germany and where German Christians were politically and socially. We also need to ask ourselves and look at what were the conditions which was post World War I Germany that allowed for the great deception which was National Socialism. What were the conditions in the German Christian community that gave birth to a yearning for a political and national savior that would reestablish the Christian conservative traditions and national greatness which was the old Reich? Most of us know that the majority of the leaders of the Nazis including Adolf Hitler were not Christians at all, but that does not really matter here because, then, like today, truth was something in an alternate reality. What was real to Germans at that time was the relative perception of a Christian political savior that promised them everything they wanted to here. The Nazis had an extraordinary religious component to them and that the Christian community was in such a state that they willfully accepted this hideous delusion. They wanted to believe and no amount of truth would alter their perception. Ultra liberalism permeated German society on all levels; everything that conservatives and Christians regarded as perverse was glorified in post World War I Germany. Sexual promiscuity, sodomy and feminism were the order of the day. In the media, any deviancy was magnified and glorified and declared normal behavior. Sound familiar? Prostitutes and pornography was rampant and regarded as daring where violent rape of young girls and boys was exiting and an object of lusting. All of it was sensationalized by the German elites in the media, social and cultural circles. Of course all of this was anathema to the conservatives and Christians of Germany; they rightfully saw this as cancerous and detrimental to their country and society. They saw the political left of Germany as cultural murderers that needed to be stopped at any cost, even making alliances with the devil was deemed necessary in order to establish an opposition and deterrence to the liberal-socialist-communistic scum that was destroying the moral fabric of the nation. German Christians and conservatives rightfully concluded that it was a deliberate social and political policy by Germanys liberal intelligentsia to destroy the vestiges of cultural identity and the national pride of the nation. Indeed, that is the essence of liberalism and all its variants today as it was then in Germany. There is nothing new in organized religion getting politically involved with the political and economic elites of a country. It happens over and over again through out history, and it always morphs, for any country in question, into a very aggressive and belligerent establishment and government. And whenever organized religion chose to get involved with the elites of the nation, it was always in the accepted premise that it was doing so to save the moral fabric of the society in question. German Christians and conservatives decided that they needed to save the nation and the only party that was singing their tune was the National Socialist German Workers Party. Never mind that the Nazis were really politically leftist, what mattered most was the Nazis were saying what they desperately needed to here, and that was enough to allow themselves to be deceived and manipulated by clever homicidal hypocrites. That is what is happening to a lesser extent today in this country to the religious right who are allowing themselves to be manipulated by so called mainstream conservatives (neoconservatives) who are nothing more than closet
Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: In the Name of Security, Privacy for Me, Not ...
-Caveat Lector- Yes there is something! We can say no to these thugs! Can't we? We're awful worried about things like FEMA, and other government agencies. Are we taking into account the staggering incompetence of the Federal Government? I don't think so. If indeed the shit hits the fan, won't most ofthesepeople be taking care of their own families? US government, Multinational corporations all having their way with each of us and not a damned thing we can do about it. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hydrogen, Great White Hope, or White Elephant?
-Caveat Lector- This has been a very interesting line. I recently wrote a term paper on the Hydrogen Economy. It's lengthy and I'm not about to post a long article. It's available to any that want it. My findings show though it's not going to be easy, a Hydrogen based economy beats another Dark Age. I found that Iceland is moving to use their abundant geothermal and hydroelectric recourses to supply hydrogen to their fishing trawlers and buses in the capital. They see the handwriting on the wall. California is insisting on emission free vehicles. The automakers are trying to stop it, but I bet they don't. Harry Braun, author of The Phoenix Project, is positive that wind power can supply the electricity needed to separate Hydrogen and Oxygen from water. Katharine Mieszkowski, a reporter for Salon Magazine in her article Hydrotopia, GE and other companies are moving to hydrogen fuel cells for home use by next year. (2003) The energy industry is split. Dutch/Shell and BP are ahead of the game. They spent 10 years buying up every renewable technology and patenting it, and have huge hydrogen divisions. They're getting ready. BP's new slogan is beyond oil. Before the end of this year the first building works will be done for a state fuel cell research institute in the US state of Michigan. Doug Rothwell, head of a development society, said: We want to make sure the transformation to hydrogen energy happens with us, not to us. The state has provided $50 Million for the center that will be called NextEnergy and will be located near Detroit. On 12.000 m2 there will be both research work and information for the public. Storage is an issue. Transporting compressed hydrogen on such a scale as we're talking about isn't practical. Transporting liquid hydrogen through existing pipelines isn't either. Chrysler is working on a method of storing the Hydrogen in a sodium borohydride. I'm not sure how that's working out. The point is that people are beginning to wake up to the facts. One thing is certain, either our children or grandchildren will inherit the Post Petroleum Economy. Invading Iraq and Saudi Arabia, drilling in the Alaskan Frontier and offshore, and squeezing it out of shale and poisoning groundwater with acid to crack it out of stubborn wells not withstanding. The end is in sight. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jesuits
-Caveat Lector- This is a very interesting subject. There is another book called "The Grand Design Exposed", by a fellow named John Daniel. I haven't read the whole book, but it was written about the same time Saussy's "Rulers of Evil" was written. Anotherinteresting thing about this book is that neither Saussey or Daniel knew about the other.The two books compliment each other rather well. I found a review of The Grand Design at http://www.freeamerican.com/Rome.htm The well documented subject of the Jesuits being in the middle of the devilment in the world makes me wonder. How can this be when American politics and what passes for Christianity these days is dominated by the Jews? I'm not trying to be difficult. I've tried to reconcile this for years. Any thoughts? Bill Kalivas -Caveat Lector- The Jesuits by Mike Bellinger The reason why I keep hammering the Jesuit issue is because they are, for sure, the core of the problem. It isn't just the opinion of Phelps or Saussy. There are so many books exposing the Jesuits that itll make your head spin. These just happen to be the latest and most up-to-date. Malachi Martin has one too. In The Trance Formation of America by Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips, the Jesuits and the Vatican and NASA came up constantly throughout her book as the perpetrators. This book was published long before Phelp's or Saussy's. Kerry Thornley's book, A Confession of Conspiracy to Assassinate JFK, which was compiled in 1990 and Internet-published by Sondra London just before his death (1996 I think). It also has continuous references to the Vatican, the Jesuits, and NASA as the overseers of mind control and JFK's assassination. Thornley was a friend of Oswald in the Marines. He was discharged and moved to New Orleans several years later where he got mixed up with a group of psycho's who constantly talked about killing JFK and controlling the public. Thornley was subpoenaed by Jim Garrison as a conspirator, but refused to show up. Over the years he pierced the crowd he was with in New Orleans and realized they were the men who killed JFK. Their leader was a sinister character who was nicknamed "brother-in-law". Thornley says he was a dead ringer for E. Howard Hunt when he saw his pictures after the JFK killing. His book is absolutely fascinating. You can download it, and its a true inside look at these maniacs. Sherman Skolnick has a bunch of articles about the Vatican, the Jesuits and the Pope's corrupt schemes and banks on his site. In most of Jim Keith's books they appear again and again just like the other books above: NASA, Jesuits, and Vatican as being connected to all the New World Order and mind control activity. These people never knew about Phelps or Saussy, but they had found the evidence anyway. It just took someone to connect the dots, and now we can see the picture. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politica
Re: [CTRL] Jesuits
-Caveat Lector- I'm trying to get past the traditional BS mentality I've been burdened with. The more I read, the more incredible it gets. It's not just the Jesuits, or Jews, or the Bankers. It's some creepy, evil that pervades our lives. I've a sneaking suspicion it's our own human nature. Bill -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/3/02 7:19:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The well documented subject of the Jesuits being in the middle of the devilment in the world makes me wonder. How can this be when American politics and what passes for Christianity these days is dominated by the Jews? I'm not trying to be difficult. I've tried to reconcile this for years. Any thoughts? It is an octopus of many guises. Some breadcrumbs along the way that many find interesting is the facts that the Pope is polish, the Windsor dynasty is from Hanover/Saxe-Gotha/etc and Bush's Skull Bones is a foreign-based secret society with links to both the Green Dragon Society of Japan and to China. And the SMOM. among others. If ya look at the Lincoln assassination one may find many different groups exposed and labeled as the motivaters, the Jesuits are included and there is no getting around the rather large political and economic clout carried by the Roman Catholic Church in many venues and arenas. But they seem to be more hand maidens than bosses. The institution gets used on many levels by many for differing reasons. In the Lincoln Assassination the plot uncovered in code in an old magazine that tells the tale of conspiracy involving Stanton and others has more strength behind is theory than the Jesuit one. The Jesuit angle is more of an attempt to keep the injured parties apart and fighting among themselves rather than having the injured parties comparing notes and realizing that we all as citizens are getting screwed both politically and economically. It ain't about Jews versus us or Catholics versus us or any other. It is the deviant elites and their necromantic thanatosurgical secret societies, we need to understand. MHO Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/ctrl;listserv.aol.com/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rapture and Rupture - NY Times
Title: Re: [CTRL] Rapture and Rupture - NY Times -Caveat Lector- I agree that what passes for christianity these days cannot love jews. The double mindedness of professing love and at the same time can't wait til y'all get slaughtered by antichrist after they get raptured is unbelievable. BillKIts not for love of Jews, its because they cant make that ridiculous last chapter of their book come true without a Jewish Israel. After that its back to killing all the heathens or at least watching them burn as they themselves ascend to heavenon 10/10/02 5:11 PM, Prudy L at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/2002 10:21:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Christian Coalition is holding a Christian Solidarity with Israel Rally on the Mall on Friday. Speakers include Mr. Falwell, Pat Robertson, Tom DeLay, Jesse Helms, Oliver North and the onetime Gary Hart companion in monkey business Donna Rice Hughes. (I guess they couldn't get Jessica Hahn.)It's ironic that Christians are all for Israel when it is my understanding that it is Islam that believes in Christ, the virgin birth, and the resurrection. They also believe that Mohammad is the last prophet, but that's another matter. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om-- "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned mycontempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him thespinal cord would fully suffice. This disgrace to civilization should bedone away with at once. Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorablelove-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this, how despicable andignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so basean action! It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war isnothing but an act of murder."-- Albert EinsteinA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically
[CTRL] churches exempt...
-Caveat Lector- Much as I dislike "churches," if they conducted themselves properly, they could have an impact on society. They are automatically exempt without ever applying for exemption from the beast. The Mandatory Exception Rule ofINTERNAL REVENUE CODE 26 USC 508(c)(1)(A)An exception is a rule that limits the extent of a more general rule which, because of its generality, would otherwise be unjust and improper. For example, it is a general rule that an organization shall be taxable unless it applies for recognition of exemption; the rule that church organizations need not apply for or obtain recognition as a 501(c)(3) tax exempt organization to be treated with nontaxable status, is the exception. The church is immune from taxation by its very nature.IRC Sec. 508. Special rules with respect to section 501(c)(3) organizations(c) Exceptions(1) Mandatory exceptions -- Subsections (a) and (b) shall not apply to -(A) churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churchesSubsection (a) New organizations must notify Secretary that they are applying for recognition of section 501(c)(3) statusExcept as provided in subsection (c), an organization organized after October 9, 1969, shall not be treated as an organization described in section 501(c)(3) -(1) unless it has given notice to the Secretary in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe, that it is applying for recognition of such status, or(2) for any period before the giving of such notice, if such notice is given after the time prescribed by the Secretary by regulations for giving notice under this subsection.Subsection (b) Presumption that organizations are private foundations.An exemption is a privilege that dispenses with the general rule. Such a privilege grants certain special treatment to some persons that would not have had a common right to receive it otherwise. An example of this privilege may be found in the United States Tax Code where certain secularly chartered corporations or state resident organizations may apply for and, if recognized, be exempt from taxation. A notice, ruling, or determination letter serves as evidence of such recognition.Sec. 501. Exemption from tax on corporations, certain trusts, etc.(a) Exemption from taxation -- An organization described in subsection (c) shall be exempt from taxation under this subtitle unless such exemption is denied under section 502 or 503.(b) Tax on unrelated business income and certain other activities -- An organization exempt from taxation under subsection (a) shall be subject to tax to the extent provided in parts II, III, and VI of this subchapter, but (notwithstanding parts II, III, and VI of this subchapter) shall be considered an organization exempt from income taxes for the purpose of any law which refers to organizations exempt from income taxes.(c) List of exempt organizations -- The following organizations are referred to in subsection (a):(3) Corporations, and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in subsection (h)), and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office. Private, royal communication, by a flesh and blood creation and servant of Yahweh with volition. For the ecclesia, scattered throughout the earth. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] F*** Microsoft !
-Caveat Lector- What do you think of Pegasus? I have it at work and hate it. - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] I forgot to add, it is not possible to uninstall Internet Explorer 6 in Windows 2000, the only option is repair. No option to uninstall at all! On 11 Sep 2002 at 3:25, i, s, ctrl wrote: I installed a critical update for Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 and now Pegass Mail 4.02 can no longer detect or open attachments. I don't really know what to do but this really getting tiring. I'm abouut ready to just get rid of my computer. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Real Reason for The Attack Upon America
-Caveat Lector- Brethren Friends Alike, As we commemorate the lives and mourn the loss of life of those who died a year ago in the attacks upon America, let us not forget the real reason why America was terrorized. We must not let the deaths of those Americans be in vain. Only truth sets us free and can protect us from similar events in the future. I hope you will pass the following http://missiontoisrael.org/ishmael,edom,israel.html to those in your address book. Americans need to know the truth about the identity of those involved in what happened a year ago. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee Hosea 4:6. Ted R. Weiland A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Defense of True Israel Survey
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Yes, most people don't realize what a scourge Islam was on what they saw (and I agree) as Apostate Christianity. We might yet see it again. BillK -Caveat Lector- No foreign powers (per se) - By Jewish law - by the 1st of the 10 commandments - to worship any but god is idolatry. As soon as Christianity divided god into 3 parts, it broke the 1st commandment. This is one of the problems that Islam tried to correct, one of the places it saw people had strayed from the original covenant made with god. (Islam was a fundamentalist movement in many ways, trying to return to a purer form of worship, that it thought both Judaism and Christianity had moved away from) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Defense of True Israel Survey
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- I know :) I don't jump anyway. I'm not much of an arguer. I enjoy the banter and manage to learn much. I have great respect for Jews, though we have differences of opinion. Jews look after each other. History will show that the biggest persecutors of Christians have been other Christians. BillK -Caveat Lector- Before you jump all over me - I did not mean the black magic part.. I meant that by Jewish law, worshiping the son, or a trinity is idolatry, and he was a radical rabbi, who moved people away from traditional Jewish worship. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Romeland Security and Political Assassinations, Part I
that US Intelligence had assassinated the anthrax terrorist. Although it is quite farfetched to assume that Wiley was the actual anthrax terrorist, it is more likely that Wiley, a brilliant microbiologist, knew that what the government was claiming about the attack was not true. The recent suicide of terrorist Abu Nidal, and the strange suicides of two New York Times writers in less than 7 months are also feeding the rumor that the US is now assassinating folks who dare to cross the Bush Administration. These rumors begin to carry more weight when it becomes known that at least 2 individuals who were active in the CIA's Operation Phoenix assassination squads are now holding high positions in the Office of Homeland Security, and several more ex-Phoenix spooks are running interference for HSA in the Congress. PHOENIX SONS Let's start with Homeland Security Director, the Jesuit trained Knight of Columbus Tom Ridge: Ridge was stationed in a coastal village in South Vietnam where his company was involved in what his office delicately refers to as the Army's 'pacification' campaign. Pacification was the CIA's reader-friendly word for its extermination of civilian opposition to the US war machine in South Vietnam. Another alias for pacification was the Phoenix Program. It routinely involved. mass arrests, brutal interrogations, the destruction of villages, napalming of rice fields and wide-spread assassination. Ridge won his Bronze Star for an operation that seems to have been little more than outright murder by ambush which was almost immediately sanitized as an act of heroism. (10/1/01, Tom Ridge in Vietnam, Tarnished Star, Jeffrey St. Clair and Alexander Cockburn) The fact that Tom Ridge was involved in the CIA's Phoenix Program ought not shock us too much, but when we recognize that he has recruited freely from the Phoenix assassination program in building America's new Homeland Security Gestapo, we begin to see the fullness of what is planned for the people of America. The Office of Homeland Security's Senior Director for Protection and Prevention is a man named Major General Bruce Lawlor. Lawlor played a huge part in the Phoenix Operation in Vietnam where he recruited and trained paramilitary agents to engage in arrests and assassinations of South Vietnamese civilians who were suspected of working with the Viet Cong. Lawlor also operated out of an internment camp in Vietnam and participated in the questioning (tortures) of suspected NVA spies. Prior to September 11th, Lawlor was Commanding General of the Joint Task Force-Civil Support which is located in Fort Monroe in Louisiana. There Lawlor trained military units to provide command and control over consequence management forces following an expected weapons of mass destruction attack on the U.S. Lawlor's forces would serve in support of an unnamed Civilian Lead Agency (Sounds like CIA to me!). One of the biggest supporters of the new Homeland Security apparatus, and a man who is seen as a Bush operative running interference in Congress for the new Gestapo is a liberal congressman named Rep. Rob Simmons. Simmons ran a CIA Province Interrogation Center in Vietnam. He, along with Porter Goss, is the point man among several of his former CIA fellows in Congress: Simmons lived in the Far East and learned Vietnamese and Chinese to perform a mission the CIA still won't let him discuss. Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia spent seven years analyzing reams of material, classified and unclassified at CIA headquarters. Rep. Mark Kirk of Illinois is in his 13th year as an intelligence officer for the U.S. Naval Reserve, including tours in Kosovo and Iraq; he was detailed to the CIA from 1991 to 1994. (USAToday, 06/20/2002) You can see why the administration has been successful at crushing any questions about it's prosecution of a so-called international Terrorism war. The ominous implications of this new Internal Security apparatus are many. It seems that the people of America have decided once and for all to sell of their freedom to a fascist dictator. The Superior General of the Jesuits has finally activated his plan to attack extirpate Protestant America from the planet. If only America knew the history of such dictatorships, and what is inevitably in store for Joe Sixpack. I am your servant in Christ Jesus, Michael Bunker You can subscribe to Michael Bunker's e-mail newslist. Just send an e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISAGREE? Discuss or Debate this: BunkForum Read more like this: Bunker Mentality Archives Proceed back to the Homepage... Back to the top! Bill Kalivas Webmaster www.historicist.com The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville Complete liberty of contradicting our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth. John Stuart Mill A HREF=http
Re: [CTRL] The Whore of Babylon
-Caveat Lector- Shame Flash is so resource intensive. Takes forever to load up. -Caveat Lector- The Whore of Babylon Flash Animation approx. 1 hour long. http://www.remnantofgod.org/flash/whore/whoremenu.html Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Defense of True Israel Survey
-Caveat Lector- I don't think that's what Jesus did. From a Christian perspective, He established the New Covenant with Israel. What foriegn powers do you speak of? -Caveat Lector- on 9/5/02 5:57 PM, Bill Kalivas at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a). This one is true isn't it? If it weren't Islam wouldn't have had to happen. -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - - - -- - -- - Calling a rationalist an a-theist is like a soccer playing accusing a baseball player of not having any goal posts. NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] scaremongering?
-Caveat Lector-
Funny, well it's not, that these idiots that
before Sept 11 couldn't find their ass with both hands are now doing their
jobs of discovering threats against us. -Caveat Lector-
WIESBADEN, Aug. 23
(EIRNS)--SENIOR LONDON SOURCEWARNS THAT THESAME "COUP" FORCES WHO
PULLED OFF SEPT. 11 LASTYEAR, ARE NOWCOOKING UP "SOMETHING DRASTIC,"
some wild act oracts ofterrorism, as they see the
political-diplomaticmomentum towardan early Iraq war being seriously
challenged.This individual, with extensive knowledge ofpolitical
andfinancial developments, told {EIR} today: "I havebeen
noticing,as you have, the growing opposition, in Britain,in the
UnitedStates, to this Iraq war. Last night, somethingoccurred to
me,that I think is very relevant. I think the crowdthat wants
thisIraq war, may well {do something drastic}, in thecoming days,
toregain the momentum. Some very big terrorism,perhaps."He
went on: "It is all very well, that there arethesechallenges to the
Iraq war. But we should not losesight of thefact, that there are
powerful people inWashington, who pulledoff this Sept. 11 last year.
They have their PlanA, which isnow in trouble. But they also have
their Plan B,Plan C, Plan D."The London source concluded: "They
may well havebeenthinking, until very recently, that their
coupthat began onSept. 11 was going very well. But suddenly,
theyhave tore-think. And i think they are desperate, andcapable of
a lot."A
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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Defense of True Israel Survey
-Caveat Lector- Trouble is that there's no money in rasing the conciousness of the sheeple. No matter what the area of study, people stop at the level at which they are comfortable. One can encourage adults to go further in their studies, but cannot force them. -Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Defense of True Israel Survey
-Caveat Lector- I agree. Though we are admonished to search the scriptures In several Christian sects I'm familier with, it seems that intellectual thought it frowned upon. They seem to glory in thier ignorance. Me, I have a couple questions of the Management. One more thing: None of the three major religions we're talking about here REALLY encourages the in-depth, word for word study of their sacred texts. Yes, each one does have a few scholars but they are a distinct minority, hence the world REALLY in caps. All 3 encourage the vast majority of their believers to take the word of the experts, be they rabbis, sages, priests, imans, prophets, ministers, whatever they call their most reverend leaders. Believers are not expected to think for themselves; in fact, in Christianity, Jesus is referred to as The Good Shepherd and he calls his followers My sheep. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Defense of True Israel Survey
-Caveat Lector- Would that be any worse than Zionist Jews in Palestine thinking of the Palestinians being less than human? Nice people. This site also contains the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, The International Jew, Judaism's Strange Gods, as well as accusing Jews of being the Antichrist. Nice people. Tenorlove --- Bill Kalivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Independent Christian Action Network E-Alert A ministry of Union Christian Church __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Defense of True Israel Survey
-Caveat Lector- I have no idea who actually wrote the Protocols. I could have made my point more clear. Is being critical of Palestinians or Christians for that matter less important than criticism leveled at Jews? Bill So where can I find the Protocols of the Elders of Palestine, the International Arab, Islam's Strange Gods, etc.? --- Bill Kalivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Would that be any worse than Zionist Jews in Palestine thinking of the Palestinians being less than human? Nice people. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Defense of True Israel Survey
-Caveat Lector- Speaking of which. Passages from the Talmud say some pretty nasty things about Jesus, His mother, and Christians in general. Now you have changed vocabulary Criticism is one thing - vitriolic bigotry is another. on 9/5/02 4:57 AM, Bill Kalivas at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I have no idea who actually wrote the Protocols. I could have made my point more clear. Is being critical of Palestinians or Christians for that matter less important than criticism leveled at Jews? Bill So where can I find the Protocols of the Elders of Palestine, the International Arab, Islam's Strange Gods, etc.? --- Bill Kalivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Would that be any worse than Zionist Jews in Palestine thinking of the Palestinians being less than human? Nice people. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate William of Occam NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Defense of True Israel Survey
-Caveat Lector- This was a sampling of what I could come up with in a short time. BillK Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals. Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth. Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows. Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters. Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the uncensored text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, Miriam the hairdresser, had sex with many men. 1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a). 2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a). 3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b). Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in hot excrement. Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations. Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament (uncanonical books) will have no portion in the world to come. Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament. -Caveat Lector- Can you post some, rather than just allude to them? on 9/5/02 6:09 AM, Bill Kalivas at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Speaking of which. Passages from the Talmud say some pretty nasty things about Jesus, His mother, and Christians in general. Now you have changed vocabulary Criticism is one thing - vitriolic bigotry is another. on 9/5/02 4:57 AM, Bill Kalivas at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I have no idea who actually wrote the Protocols. I could have made my point more clear. Is being critical of Palestinians or Christians for that matter less important than criticism leveled at Jews? Bill So where can I find the Protocols of the Elders of Palestine, the International Arab, Islam's Strange Gods, etc.? --- Bill Kalivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Would that be any worse than Zionist Jews in Palestine thinking of the Palestinians being less than human? Nice people. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
[CTRL] Fw: Defense of True Israel Survey
-Caveat Lector- Independent Christian Action NetworkE-AlertA ministry of Union Christian Church http://ican11.tripod.comUnion Christian Church 5355 Paragon RoadMartinsville, Indiana 46151[EMAIL PROTECTED] (812) 597-5450 Pastor Ted Weiland is conducting an on-line survey. Your participation is very important. First of all, it gives a depiction of people's knowledge of the Israel question. This is very helpful in determining future ways to bring the truth of this issue to the forefront. Secondly, those who want to read more about it can get a free copy of Pastor Weiland's book, Israel's Identity: It Matters, just by participating in the survey. Also, you can help by passing this e-mail along to your e-mail lists, relatives, friends, etc. It is a great way to introduce people to the Christian Israel truth without giving the impression of shoving it down their throat. If they have any interest it could also get them a free copy of this important book in their hands. Please help by spreading the word!Please be sure to follow the blue highlighted links in the survey to get more information and facts on the question raised in the survey.Mission To Israel's homepage:http://www.missiontoisrael.org/Defense of True Israel Survey:http://www.missiontoisrael.org/survey/defenseofisraelsurvey.php A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [cp] Poll Shows Free Speech Support Down
-Caveat Lector- Who charted this poll, Herr Ashcroft? Bill Kalivas A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The JESUIT Protocols
-Caveat Lector- OK, where do they come from? This is TOTALLY IDIOTIC bullshit. You don't have the slightest clue about Jesuits or Zionism or anything for that matter. You are one DUMB racist muther! DUMB!!! J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The JESUIT Protocols
-Caveat Lector- What do you mean who cares? It does matter. If someone is out to get me, I'd like to know who it is. As for being antiCatholic, Catholics are anti Protestant, the least we should do is return the favor. BillK -Caveat Lector- OK, where do they come from? Who cares. They are a silly fabrication. It doesn't matter if the Evil Controllers are Jews, or Jesuits, or Reptiles. This particular crap appears to be by antiCatholics. J2 This is TOTALLY IDIOTIC bullshit. You don't have the slightest clue about Jesuits or Zionism or anything for that matter. You are one DUMB racist muther! DUMB!!! J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Minerva,the Roman goddess of war.
-Caveat Lector- I disagree, see http://www.tuppersaussy.com/HTMFILES/ROEtour.htm Officials named her Freedom because her classical identity, Persephone, was meaningless to most Americans. Persephone was a Graeco-Roman goddess abducted by Saturn's son Hades, who enthroned her as queen-consort of his dominion, the underworld. She rules over the earth's interior, particularly the metals and minerals. America's Freedom is Goddess of Petroleum, a fact one should bear in mind when examining her government's military presence in Afghanistan. Bill Kalivas - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: [CTRL] Minerva,the Roman goddess of war. -Caveat Lector- Minerva(also known as Persephone), the Roman goddess of war. This is the same Minerva that sits atop the Capitol Building in Washington D.C. How fitting for the War Capitol of the World. - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dr. A.R. Campbell, M.D. -- Discoverer of the Cause of Smallpox.
-Caveat Lector- http://www.reformation.org/campbell.html Bill Kalivas Webmaster www.historicist.com The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville Complete liberty of contradicting our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth. John Stuart Mill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Open Letter to America from a Canadian by W.R. McDougall
. This is altogether obvious to those outside your borders who are politically aware and awake to the world around them. You were never concerned about the disgraceful practices of George's ruthless father, either, a Bin-Laden cohort and friend to criminals and killers in global drug, oil and terrorist enterprises. Iran. Vietnam. El Salvador. Chile. Guatemala. Iraq. And on and on. The never-ending bully-boy story of blood, guns, drugs and money. Does any of this matter? No, it's simply time to eat. Go get your ten-billionth burger, America. Fatten your already fat asses with bacteria-and-hormone-ridden meat and do nothing as you sit stupefied before your mind-numbing television sets awaiting the next episode of sad families being humiliated on Cops. Few among you are the least bit concerned that no real investigation of 911 has taken place, that no serious investigation of the anthrax attacks is moving forward, that no authentic investigation of Enron, or the murder of one of its top executives, is underway. How many of you give the slightest damn about the totalitarian measures your government is taking to keep its secret meetings, grubby files and treasonous activities from your eyes? When did you stop caring, America? Was it after your own FBI and intelligence agencies plotted the murder of President John F. Kennedy? Or is this just the raving lunacy of the conspiracy nut? What does your gut tell you, America? Is something a little amiss here? Forget about it. Have some Pepto-Bismol. Today, in futility, your own government goes to court against itself for information you are entitled to by law. But this is hardly deemed vital news in the community. It is a fleeting reference in an electronic sea of meaningless banter. For proof, just look to all the spineless wimps who constitute your mainstream news media. Today, you excoriate, ridicule and ostracize the brave and true among you. Your best investigative journalists are fired from their jobs and ignored. Congress's few courageous souls are laughed at and dismissed out of hand as crackpots. The most honest and conscientious political leader in the country, Ralph Nader, is a powerless, near-invisible curiosity easily side-lined by hired goons. America, you are a goddamn shame. What law matters now in your despicable state? What justice? What truth? When will you wake up? If you had your druthers, you would right now gather your courage, take to the streets and march on Washington D.C in the millions. But I know you will do no such thing. The vast majority of you are spiritually, emotionally and intellectually dead. As I write these words, I can only imagine what additional horrors your shadow government might be planning in what will surely be an attempt to justify militarism and totalitarianism on a universal scale. A nuclear explosion in one of your cities, perhaps? A massive bio-chemical attack? Or perhaps it will be some Arab terrorist who finally commits the terrible deed, his last thought before death being the promises you made to him before you killed his family. Bill Kalivas Webmaster www.historicist.com The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville Complete liberty of contradicting our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth. John Stuart Mill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Must Read on Vaccinations!
-Caveat Lector- New, excellent historical piece on the history of vaccinations Bill Kalivas Webmaster www.historicist.com The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville Complete liberty of contradicting our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth. John Stuart Mill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Must Read on Vaccinations! With URL
-Caveat Lector- New, excellent historical piece on the history of vaccinations. http://www.reformation.org/vaccine.html Bill Kalivas Webmaster www.historicist.com The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville Complete liberty of contradicting our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth. John Stuart Mill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ........Jerky LeBeouf sounds off!................
her pride, then swallowed three gulps of her own tit juice. Apparently, this isn't the first time this has happened. And so it's come to this. Despite all the post-911 promises of tighter oversight and increased hiring standards for our vital airport security, all that's really been done is to give the same useless idiots who've always done the job carte blanche to treat us, the public, with as much hostility, disrespect and utter contempt as they can muster. Newly empowered, the brooding police academy dropouts, perpetually-annoyed tooth-sucking soul-sisters, and snickering Beavis and Butthead clones of yore have evolved into new breeds: The anal retentive, authority-drunken Super Trooper. The Wand-Waving Queen of the X-Ray Machine. The Sadistic Fetishist, finally let loose from the leash to fondle underwear and force lactating mothers to drink their own breast milk, for kicks. We now have in our midst nothing less than a nation-wide, completely unregulated, minimum-wage Gestapo. But Jerky! I can already hear some of you typing. Don't you remember the horrific events of September 11?! You can't be too careful these days! If we are to survive as a nation, we must require nothing less than the utmost vigilance from the men and women who watch over our airports! Isn't the extra security worth a little added inconvenience?! The problem with such assumptions is that they simply don't apply, here. It wouldn't be unfair, for instance, to describe what happened to Fred Hubble as: being too careful. In fact, that would be far too generous and forgiving a description. Nor does confiscating a vaguely gun-shaped, half-ounce wad of plastic from a GI Joe doll constitute a display of 'the utmost vigilance.' And are we now to consider being forced to drink one's own breast milk a mere inconvenience? If anything, such behavior quite literally borders on bona-fide psychosis. It's the kind of behavior one might expect to see exhibited in persons suffering from severe mental illness. That most of us unquestioningly accept this - even try to rationalize and defend it - reveals a lot about how far down the slippery slope we have already slid. Israel is a tiny country. They have the world's most pro-active anti-terrorism measures in place. There are checkpoints everywhere. Israelis are the most closely monitored population on the planet. The streets are crawling with highly-trained military personnel on the look-out for potential terrorists. And yet every few days, you hear about another Palestinian blowing himself up at a crowded bus stop. So really, who are we trying to kid? As things currently stand, we would be no worse off if we chose to forgo the whole pathetic charade of airport security entirely, and let the planes fall where they may. Because if we've really come to the point where common sense, human dignity and basic respect are no longer legal interpersonal tender, then the terrorists have already won, and we're doomed no matter what we do. Bill Kalivas Webmaster www.historicist.com The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money. -- Alexis de Tocqueville Complete liberty of contradicting our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth. John Stuart Mill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bible Bigots' Bogusity
-Caveat Lector- I'd like to have a source for this. This isn't new information, but I've never had it substantiated. Thanks BillK -Caveat Lector- It is historical fact that Islam is a creation of the Vatican secret societies to be the seen enemy of Christianity, aka Catholics. That's right, the Hegelian Dialectic, hundreds of years before Hegel. Purpose: to provoke war so that the Vatican can take control of Jerusalem, which the Pope claims is the Capitol of the World. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Containment Seen Less Risky Than Attack
-Caveat Lector- No right what so ever. We can't seem to govern ourselves. BillK -Caveat Lector- What right does America have to go in and determine who governs another sovereign state? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Egyptian Mind Control?
-Caveat Lector- It's a Billion year contract. I got involved with those nit wits whrn I was a much younger man. -Caveat Lector- Scientologists believe that psychiatry and psychology are the two greatest evils ever, other than Xenu. But don't take my word for it, get your hands on the two cans of an e-meter (a.k.a. a polygraph machine, but don't tell!) and get yourself audited! Just don't ask for any money when you can't afford to pay for all the help they are giving you. You may be asked to sign over your worldly assets if you find yourself in this position. Oh, you also will be asked to sign a million-year contract. http://www.xenu.net/ It's a cult, it's a business, and, hey, it's even a tax-exempt religion! But it sure doesn't have anything to do with science, despite the name. - jt - Original Message - From: Al Hidell [EMAIL PROTECTED] For what it's worth, Freedom, a magazine published by the Scientologists, has an article about mind control techniques and terrorism at www.freedommag.org. It is my opinion that they overstate their case--essentially saying that evil psychiatrists and psychologists are the real masterminds behind worldwide terrorism. Still, it's a topic I haven't seen covered elsewhere. I believe terrorist organizations based in Egypt are using mind control techniques, probably taught by the CIA, to create sleeper agents to carry out programmed tasks. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE KINGDOM ALERT (WEEKLY UPDATE)
-Caveat Lector- Though this fellow is an avowed futurist, he calls a spade a spade. Excellent articles. THE KINGDOM ALERT (WEEKLY UPDATE)Philippians 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.IN THIS ISSUE:Part I:-NEWSPAPER EXEGESIS?-SODOMY IN THE CATHOLIC CLERGY: STAGESETTING FOR REVELATION 17 (by JoeyFaust)===NEWSPAPER EXEGESIS?I will have more to say on this subject from time to time.Reconstructionists, preterists and postmillennialists are all fond ofaccusing premillennial prophecy writers of "newspaper exegesis." Forexample, Kenneth Gentry's web site advertises his book, "The Beast ofRevelation," by claiming the book is, "A popularly written antidote todispensational sensationalism and newspaper exegesis." I personally havenot read a stinking newspaper in years, nor do I own a stinkingtelevision, or even hardly ever listen to the radio. I do read a fewInternet news sites to see what is occurring in the world. From what Iremember, it was a postmillennialist (Gary North) that led the way inpredicting doom for the world from computer crashes. I maintained that ifthey did crash, they would fix them before Revelation 13. I alsomaintained that, while it makes sense to be ready for panic, a loss ofelectricity, etc. through a possible computer crash, we are actually moreapt to meet with an earthquake, natural disaster, etc., since the Bibleclearly states these things will increase as time progresses. I alsostated that if nothing significant occurred on Y2K, we would see a revivalof postmillennial heresy like never before in history (see our web site atwww.refugebaptist.org). These postmillennialists thrive by focusing on thefalse warnings and over-zealous predictions of dispensational prophecywriters. Since they have the natural flesh of the world on their side,they will prosper in spite of the evidence against them (e.g. tellingcarnal people that God is about to judge the world with a tribulationalperiod can be like telling carnal Christians they can be literally spankedat the judgment seat. The flesh is not on your side. Nevertheless, God'sSpirit is sufficient for all things). The position of the Kingdom Alert isthat no prophecy (other than Scriptures such as 2 Timothy 3 and 4 and 1stTimothy 4) is being fulfilled in the present. Current events are only"prophetic" in the sense that they set the stage for the futuretribulation age. For example, Israel reviving as a nation in the midst ofturmoil (1948 -) sets the stage for Revelation 11 and Matthew 24, etc.These prophecies assume Israel is present in her land. Christians who arenot asleep or drunk should use these preliminary signs to awake torighteousness, to motivate the drowsy, and reprove the scoffers. They callus "pessimists" and maintain that the Antichrist and the Revelationplagues are figurative, past history. But the watching premillennialiststold the scoffers to watch Israel. After enduring years of sarcasm andmockery, the early premillennialists were vindicated by the "newspaper" in1948. And now we see that the main reason postmillennialists hate andderide so-called "newspaper exegesis" is because the newspaper (when itsimply reports current events) is the postmillennialists worse enemy (nextto the Bible literally interpreted)! If you are trying to bury your headin the sand and pretend that all is well, reports concerning giantearthquakes, fires, broken temperature records, sodomite priests,dangerous asteroids, implanted computer chips, turmoil in Israel, etc. areenough to take the heart out of any honest postmillennialist. This issueof the Kingdom Alert is therefore dedicated to my postmillennial brethrenaround the world. May the Lord open your eyes and cause you to see thatthere will be no literal Kingdom without the literal presence of the King.The ship is sinking. But the Word of God is not bound! God bringing topast what He has warned is not "defeat." Was it defeat for Paul to bebound in prison? God used it to spread Christianity around the Romanempire! (For more information on this subject see my audio sermon onpostmillennialism on our web site).SODOMY IN THE CATHOLIC CLERGY: STAGESETTING FOR REVELATION 17 (by JoeyFaust)"Kansas City, Mo., Jan. 30 - AIDS has quietly caused the deaths ofhundreds of Roman Catholic priests in the United States although othercauses may be listed on some of their death certificates, The Kansas CityStar reported in its Sunday editions. In the first of a three-part series,the newspaper reported that its examination of death certificates andinterviews with experts indicated several hundred priests had died ofAIDS-related illnesses since the mid-1980s and hundreds more are livingwith HIV, the virus that causes the disease. The death rate of priestsfrom AIDS is at least four times that of the general population, thenewspaper said" (AP,
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Labels for you and me
-Caveat Lector- Great piece. Where did it come from originally? BillK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Labels for you and me A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NO RESPECT FOR THE SACRED: AMERICA GROWS INCREASINGLY PROFANE
-Caveat Lector- NO RESPECT FOR THE SACRED: AMERICA GROWS INCREASINGLY PROFANEVISIT THE ALL NEW REFUGE BAPTIST - KINGDOM ALERT WEB SITEhttp://www.refugebaptist.org This past week, two events occurred that continue to reveal to us that weare in the perilous times of 2 Timothy 3:2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the LAST DAYS perilous times shallcome.2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud,blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent,fierce, DESPISERS OF THOSE THAT ARE GOOD,4 Traitors, heady, highminded, LOVERS OF PLEASURES MORE THAN LOVERS OFGOD;5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from suchturn away.First, pastor Greg Dixon (Sr.) sat across the street from his formerchurch building (IBT) and watched the bull-dozers begin to tear it down.Such a sordid event, concerning God's property, has never occurred in U.S.history that I am aware of. Second, WND reported the following story onMay 31:"City seizes church's land - California congregation battles governmentover property - The city of Cypress, Calif., has authorized the seizure ofa local church's land, arguing that a house of worship is not the 'bestand highest use' for the property. City officials hope to take ownershipof Cottonwood Christian Center's land through eminent domain. While cityofficials say that economic development on the property would be betterfor the citizens of Cypress than a church, the church complains the cityis being discriminatory. Cottonwood fears that if it succumbs to cityofficials' dictates, a precedent will be set and cities across the nationwill be encouraged to seize church property to build businesses that willprovide more tax dollarsBelmer said the city is considering approvingthe construction of a Costco warehouse on the land and that he does notbelieve seizing the land is in violation of the RLUIPA. Eminent domainlaws were originally designed to make way for roads and dams, but citiesare routinely using them as a means to build businesses"What does this all mean? It means Americans have lost RELIGION. They haveonly a from of godliness at times. They are, as Esau, PROFANE:Hebrews 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or PROFANE person, as Esau,who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited theblessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though hesought it carefully with tears.Profane: "irreverent to anything sacred" (Web.1828)If so many Christians currently choose money, food or the praise of menover conviction and truth, then what can we expect from these lostworldlings? There was a time when even the average citizen or politicalleader had some profession of the FEAR OF GOD. But now we have lost it inour country. If Christians would begin to exercise reverence and godlyfear before God, perhaps the unbelievers would have some alarm. But ifthey see the saints without fear, and without fruit, what must they thinkabout our God?Let us pray for our leaders in America, secular and religious. We are ingreat need of mercy and revival in our churches. The average American seesthe local church as simply another American business. Let's do everythingwe can to show them that this is not so; that there IS a differencebetween the holy and the profane. Bill KalivasWebmasterwww.historicist.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Baby Killer - From Sin to Sickness to Savagery - Aversion Therapy's New Face
What bullshit The guess the inconvience in the woman's womb being riped to shreads or sold as parts isn't factored into the equation huh? Being an unborn child in this day and age is risky. Joe Zilson Reports Baby Killer - From Sin to Sickness to Savagery Aversion Therapy's New FaceIn The Tradition Of Rachmaninoff, Isle of the Dead * The contrivances necessary to effect the physical torment of the victim in this missive, can be procured at any industrial building tool rental store..that is if they all haven't been stolen Being an abortion clinic doctor as we all know is a rather risky occupation. The shock troops of the ‘Movement,' often target this person whether he be male or female for death. He/She is often escorted to and from work in anunmarked vehicle surrounded by heavily armed guards. His/her home is protected. The law enforcement communityis poised for an optimum response in the event an attackis made upon this person. But what about the woman who must walk the gauntlet of protesters surrounding the clinic? The vitriol directed towards her is often as strong as that directed at the doctor. She may have her picture taken by an associate of theoften armed goons looking to get a clean shot at the doctor. She is responsible for her own transportation to and from the clinic. And she may even live below or above one of wild eyed screaming protesters. The animosity she faces is as strong as what the doctorsurrounded by an army of guards will face. Yet she will walk alone, often into a new life of endless nightmares, phantomblows, genitalia violated by an unseen claw, skin crawlinganxiety Oddly the nightmares she will learn to welcomebecauseat least it means sleep. The rest she will bear with a silence made of the muzzled fear of losing her mind. She might even walk into this list looking for reasons of thisnew life. Those around her may whisper she is suffering fromthe guilt of killing her baby. Some of us might say somethingdifferent. . Her fate is to be an ugly silent thing. The motive for her suffering does not bear the hallmarks of the glamor that comes from being a martyr to MK--Ultra or COINTELPRO. The feminist leaders will not lift a finger to help her...no! In fact to them she may even be seen as an embarrassment or a nut.But to the fanatics her body is the new battleground Her mind something to be stricken, her voice gagged by fear, spiraling down a well of silence. STOP HATE CRIME AGAINST THE MENTALLY ILL STOP HATE CRIME AGAINST THE DEPRESSED ELDERLY OFTEN CALLED EUTHANASIAJoe ZilsonNews EditorThe Light_The Internet NewsMagazineAt WWW.RACISM.COM Where The Rubber Meets The Road
Re: [CTRL] Vicious Homo attacks on Christian [uk]
Nope, he's just an asshole What are you, an anti-religious bigot or a queer?At 05:02 PM 5/5/02 , you wrote: Howdy, Lets here it for the Gay Masonic Mafia. Maybe this will persuade the ne'er do good Christians to stay at home or in their houses of worship with their helpful little messages. I have always thought that the medieval Japanese way was best in dealing with them. db In a message dated 5/5/02 4:31:16 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the elderly gentleman was speaking his biblical beliefs, but never stood a chance against the gay masonic mafia.
Re: [CTRL] MAKE SURE YOU CHECKOUT THIS WEBSITE!!
I just got the book, It's pretty big and at a glance, is well documented. It'll take a while to get through it. If the allegations are correct, we've found the bad guys. Though I'm not buying that the Jesuits are the single source for man's troubles. Lots of folks these days blaming the Jews. Like the Protocols. Vatican Assassins and other sources claim the Jesuits are the culprits. History is chock full of examples of Popesofficially authorizing the annihilation of Jews, but I know of no example of a comparable Jewish figurehead officially authorizing the annihilation of Catholics -- except for Mordecai's retribution for Haman's proposed genocide under Ahasuerus (who might have held the title of Pontifex Maximus as king of Babylonian Persia) in the book of Esther. Interestingly enough, the book comes with a CD full of books related to the Jesuits, originally, this is why I got the book. This document contains frames, which cannot be edited. The original document is attached. http://www.vaticanassassins.org/
Re: [CTRL] BRITISH ISRAEL CONCEPT DEVISED BY DR.JOHN DEE
-Caveat Lector- British Israel has a lot to do with the Decendents of the British Throne keeping the Throne of King David warm til Jesus comes back. I'm being irrevevrent. But, I do have a serious disagreement with that inbred bunch doing anything for Jesus. However, Yes I know that BRITISH ISRAEL is supposedly the TEN LOST TRIBES of ISRAEL. According to FRANCIS YEATSOCCULT PHILOSOPHY in the ELIZABETHAN AGE that DR.DEE ( a black magician ) came up with that idea to keep the peoples of the COMMONWEALTH in a state of MENTAL SLAVERY to the Crown of England. American ministers have also jumped on this bandwagon. The infamous RACIALLY BIASED CHRISTIAN IDENTITY movement of Pastor Peter Peters is of the same notion. Do you have a problem with this? Black Ministers can extol the virtues of their People, American Indians can lift themselves up. I suppose Rabbis do the same with their Jewish Brethren. Would to God more Chickenshit Christian pastors would be more like Pete Peters. Read Ted Weiland's God's Covenat People at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/gods-covenant-people/tableofcontents.html Most of it's online. Pastor Weiland's book goes into great detail regarding the message of Israel's migrating from old Palestine into Europe. Bbilical Archologist E. Raymond Capt in his Missing Links Discovered In Assyrian Tablets. www.artisanpublishers.com documents the trek through history. Good book. What difference does it make? Ol' Joe sixpack jeudeochristian asks? Read Ishmael, Edom and Israel and The Attack Upon America at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/ishmael,edom,israel.html Anyway, the proponents of Identity haev been smeared, maligned, discredited by Jews, American Protestants, the ruling elite in America. Could for a minute anyone believe this bunch is doing us any good?? Before urinating on this interpretation of Prophecy, think it through. If teh powers that be are so against it, think maybe it might be right? And many others. Going all the way back to Herbert W. Armstrong. Dr.JOHN DEE wrote the MANUAL of BLACK MAGIC in 1571. Called the NECRONOMICON. This book was eventually passed down to Adam Weishaupt , a professor at INGOLSTADT UNIVERSITY. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE PLAGUE OF THE BLACK DEBT
The Daily Reckoning PRESENTS: Christoph Amberger takes a look at, among
other things, the process of prophylactic over-bidding on real estate known
in Great Britain as "gazumping."THE PLAGUE OF THE BLACK
DEBTby J. Christoph AmbergerGrigori Aleksandrovich Potemkin,
Russian field marshal and favorite of Catherine II, played an instrumental
role in the annexation of the Crimea in 1783. Four years later, as
governor of this new province, he was also in charge of Catherine's fabulous
Crimean tour. To impress upon the Empress of all the Russias how
competent an administrator he was, historical anecdote claims he had
sham villages ("Potemkin villages," as they came to be known) built along
her route.My guess is that this illusion of prosperity very closely
resembled what is going on in America today.If you happen to live in a
metropolitan area in the U.S., here's something I want you to do next
weekend. Grab the kids and the dog, warm up the car, and head out of
town.Take a route you haven't driven in a year or more, and chose a
destination you fondly remember as being "rural" the last time you went
there.I promise you, the insight you will gain into the New America
will be worth more than a library full of financial magazines.That's
exactly what I did last weekend. My family and I went to the southern tip of
St. Mary's County in Maryland, where friends are hanging on to a 400-acre
farm that hugs the shores of the Patuxent River for more than a
mile.Back in the 1990s, before the kids came, we used to visit
several times a year. But the last time we went was over two years ago. And,
honestly, if the trip didn't mostly involve driving in a straight line, I'd
have needed a map. Because the countryside was unrecognizable. Where
there used to be fields and rolling pastures, there are now compact piles of
townhouses so fresh you can smell the vinyl siding from a mile away.
What used to be two-lane country roads are now brand-spanking-new 6-lane
highways that make Adolf Hitler's original Autobahn - the backbone of East
Germany's hard-currency economy until 1989 - look like a game
trail.Where there were vacant lots between strip malls and car
dealerships, billboards now promise that a new 200,000-square-foot
shopping center will be coming soon.And where Mennonites once went rattling
by in horse-drawn buggies, tank-topped Bud Lite boobs in souped-up
pickup trucks now go screaming by. And these are pickup trucks that will
never carry any load heavier than a riding mower or jet skis. Looking
beneath the shifting surface, the one thing that struck me most was the
radical change in the character of property ownership.You see, ten
or even just five years ago, families and individuals actually owned most of
the land and the buildings. Accordingly, houses built in earlier
development booms tended to be small...mostly brick ranchers and Cape
Cods on quarter-acre lots.If you were to add up the total home equity in any
given development today, you would probably arrive at a sum sufficient
to pay for the front doors and the catalog-ordered resin-cast replica lawn
jockeys.Everything else beneath the cathedral ceilings and above the
manicured front lawn is debt.Developers went into debt to build their
satellite cities of cookie-cutter tract mansions. Homebuyers - lured by
"no-money-down" deals - went into hock to buy the houses that Debt
built...and are now stuffing their vinyl manors with stuff bought on store
and credit-card debt. They drive cars they "bought" with debt, and they
shop in businesses that are only in business because they are still
(just barely) able to service their ever-increasing debt.In fact,
even debt itself has become an asset. Mortgage lenders hawk debt like so
many pork bellies...yet that debt is secured by nothing more than paper
gains in property values...which are driven mainly by inflated demand
that is in turn powered by the availability of further debt to larger groups
of clients, with ever more loosely defined creditworthiness.Any cash
gains in property values...as manifested in large checks paid out to sellers
at settlement...are typically used to buy yet another high-priced ticket to
take on more debt (usually in the form of a substantial down payment on
another overvalued house).What if this daisy chain of debt ever starts
to unravel, Japanese-style? A decade after that country's last
real-estate boom, Japanese banks have US$400 billion worth of bad loans
on their books. That's four times worse than the SL crisis in the
States, if you account for the different size of the economies.And
if the Enron debacle was all about the quicksand you enter once you start
obfuscating the fine line between debt and assets, the potential for a far
more devastating crisis in the debt "industry" is explosive.And
probable.According to JPMorgan, asset-backed security issuance
jumped to US$38.7 billion during March, a new all-time record. Home
Re: [CTRL] Day light saving time
-Caveat Lector- Come on, April 1 was last week. This is bullshit, right? One of the unpublished provisions of the Homeland Defense bill was to strictly enforce the 2 am time change. An enforcement bureau has been set up to arrest, prosecute and jail offenders who changed their clocks before they went to bed. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Letter Exposes Jackson's Shakedown of GE
-Caveat Lector- Kenneth Timmerman, author of Shakedown: Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson, a newly released book that takes a critical look at Jackson's financial empire and his political activities, called the letter to General Electric really stunning and evidence of yet another shakedown attempt by Jackson. Promotion of minority firms is not shakedown. Samantha Yes, but the self serving tactics of this man are. BillK A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: From Car and Driver Feb. 2002 issue:
-Caveat Lector- No, clearly it means, we want jelly donuts, or as some have said, we want Jack Daniels. -Caveat Lector- The below sounds like Colleen's usual unique 'interpretation' of Bible Scripture June [Original Message] Subject: From Car and Driver Feb. 2002 issue: Most people assume WWJD stands for What Would Jesus Do? But the initials really stand for What Would Jesus Drive? One theory is He would drive a Plymouth because the Bible says God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in a Fury, but in Psalm 83, the Almighty clearly owns a Pontiac and a Geo -- the passage urges the Lord to pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm. Perhaps God favors Dodge trucks because Moses' followers are warned not to go up a mountain until the Ram's horn sounds a long blast. Maybe it was a Honda -- in St. John's gospel, Christ tells the crowd, For I did not speak of my own Accord. Following the Master's lead, the Apostles were in one Accord, a car pool. Meanwhile, Moses rode an old Brit motorcycle, as evidenced by a Bible passage declaring that the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills. Brings new meaning to the song Jesus Built My Hot Rod, doesn' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Barney is Antichirst
Title: Message BARNEY IS EVIL! Everyone knows Barney... that cute purple dinosaur. But here's something that you may not know: 1. Start with the given: CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR 2. Change all U's to V's (proper Latin anyway!): CVTE PVRPLE DINOSAVR 3. Extract all Roman Numerals: C V V L D I V 4. Convert these into Arabic values: 100 5 5 50 500 1 5 5. Add these numbers up: 100 5 5 50 500 1 + 5 666 There you have it: A mathematical proof that Barney is the Antichrist!All along, you thought he was just cute! See how easy it is to get fooled? Gotta listen to Jerry Falwell - believe me, he has a handle on this stuff!
Re: [CTRL] Rendering Unto Caesar Some Greens
I agree, The501c3 whore houses should kick back unto thier master. Most churches at the pleasure of the State. BillK SHOULD THE CHURCHES BE TAXED?Of course they should be. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Rendering Unto Caesar
-Caveat Lector- True, it wouldn't serve liberty to tax the church. It might however cause donations for buildings, the Socialist World Council of Churches, TV stations, trips to the Holy Land, and other ridiculous matters to cease. -Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Kalivas) Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002, 10:57am (EST-1) The 501c3 whore houses should kick back unto their master... This is an important point, all corporations serve their master---and pass the costs on to their customers. Collecting more money for the state would only grow the state. How would that serve Liberty? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AF News 23 Feb 02
-Caveat Lector- What a novel thought. The Armed Forces actually protecting us. How bout that? Could be a trend. Though I doubt it. BillK That's where we flew the exact same mission, combat air patrols, but in this case, it was over Iraq, he said. Then to imagine less than a year later you're doing the exact same mission over your own country is kind of a sobering thought. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Sign this please-WTC Flag Raising petition
Title: Message New York City is planning to erect a statue depicting the famous photo ofthe flag raising at Ground Zero. They want to change what the photo shows(three white male firefighters) and instead include an African-American and aHispanic. The website URL below is for a petition to have the statue depictthe flag raising exactly as it actually occurred...to make it historicallyaccurate, not politically correct. Would you please pass it on to everyone?Thanks.http://www.petitiononline.com/flgraise
[CTRL] Super Bowl
-Caveat Lector- I should be ashamed, but Paul Macartney is singning the the Super Bowl. Singing about Freedom. Good grief! He hasn't done anything worth listening to in over 20 years. Go home Paul. Kiss the Queen. Bill Kalivas A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Super Bowl
I'm rooting for the Pats myself. Christ, now it's Mariah Carey. Yuck. Makes me want to go out and excrete weapons of gas destruction.Well I've got a substantial stake in the Pats covering the 14.5 point spread...also in the game going over 53. Fingers are crossed... Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Quick list question
-Caveat Lector- wkalivas lives in Broken Arrow OK. -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/2/02 10:46:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live (no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy) i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth RoadsEnd lives in Oregon. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] International Terrorism, World Government and the Global Agenda
International Terrorism, World Government and the Global Agenda Saturday, February16th from 9:00 a.m. - 10:00 p. m. Family Worship Center, 15303 E. 21st Street, Tulsa, Oklahoma (One mile east of Eastland Mall) No Door Charge Since the attack of September 11th, America has been under siege from both the Middle East and from a multitude of laws, rules and regulations that have taken away our Constitutional rights. From airport security to the loss of free speech, you are trading your rights for so-called security. Come and listen to the story behind the story . . . Noahs Pantry is presenting a free seminar featuring four uniquely qualified speakers: Craig Roberts, 26 year veteran police officer, internationally published author, Vietnam Marine combat veteran and former intelligence officer will speak on the topics covered in his book The Medusa File: Crimes and Cover-ups of the U.S. Government that will take you from case files from WWII to the attack on 9/11 and give you the story behind the events that the media refuses to tell you. Joan Veon, nationally known speaker and author who has gone behind the scenes of the United Nations facade. She has appeared on numerous radio shows, speaking engagements, and is an international journalist who has interviewed prime ministers, presidents, and other notables. Her main concern is the UN an what its agenda concerns, an she has attended 43 UN and UN-related conferences. She exposes what they dont want you to know! Monte Judah, well-respected scholar of Middle Eastern affairs, Islamic culture and beliefs, Israeli history, and Bible prophecy. Monte will address the Middle Eastern situation, Israels position, and future events as predicted by prophecy. Monte, a U.S. Navy veteran who served aboard aircraft carriers between 1967 and 1978 and later as an engineer in the aerospace industry, is a Messianic Jew who founded and directs the Lion Lamb Ministries based in Norman, Oklahoma. Joyce Riley served as a flight nurse during the Gulf War and became very concerned later when she became aware of a strange disease that was effecting veterans of Desert Storm. As a pioneer whistle blower who exposed the Gulf War disease as an actual sickness, Captain Joyce Riley has withstood tidal waves of criticism and resistance from government bureaucracies as she brought the truth to the American people and government agencies alike. She will be speaking about biological terrorism, government ordered mandatory vaccinations, possible outbreaks of deadly diseases and more. Sponsored by Noahs Pantry (888) 925-6624 http://noahspantry.net Authors will have books available for purchase. Noahs Pantry will have many items of interest including water filters, food brochures and books.
Re: [CTRL] US Fascists Want Mandatory Military Service
-Caveat Lector- I'm tempted to agree with Prudy.our people do need experience in this area. But with mandatory vaccinations, the mental conditioning and the thought my children will have to fight overseas, in some other ridiculous, genocidal war, turns my stomach. Remember the old anti war slogan; Hell no, we won't go for Texaco? BillK In a message dated 1/24/02 9:08:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Editor's Note: Not enough cannon fodder in the US armed forces? The Army of One and Be All Tou Can Be ads and lies not working? This proposed legislation will make it mandatory to trade your sons' and grandsons' blood for oil, heroin, cocaine, etc. I'd be even tougher. It would be mandatory for men and women--about two years should do it. We need a population with some experience of the military. Right now, everyone can be completely fooled. Even simulated combat would produce a people who know that hand-to-hand combat with thirty or forty Taliban fighters in which a large number of the enemy are killed and captured while only one man on our side has a minor gunshot would seem to indicate that the thirty or forty Taliban fighters were unarmed. We need a people who know what hand-to-hand combat really is. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Attention Deficit Disorder
-Caveat Lector- Anyone out there hip to more than the usual dope em up philosphy with regards to ADD? I've been diagnosed and for a variety of reasons prefer not to treat it with drugs. Are there alternatives to Ritalin? I'm sure there are. I was wondering if diet played a part. Regards Bill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Abiding in Religious War
- Original Message - From: Bill Kalivas Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Abiding in Religious War This is a rather long article, that's why I'm just posting the url. Tupper Saussy has a unique look on the designed conflict between "Christianity" and Islam. I can't claim I nderstand or agree with everything in the article, however, some of the historical information presented sounds pretty current. This is hte last of five articles in his series, I recommend reading them all. http://tuppersaussy.com/HTMFILES/attackonamerica5.htm Bill KalivasWebmasterwww.historicist.com "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That willteach you to keep your mouth shut."--- Ernest Hemingway
Re: [CTRL] Could You Be An Israelite And Not Know It?
-Caveat Lector- Actually, this is more of an attempt to balance off some of the horseshit that people like Gale and others pass off claiming Gospel Identity. Israel has to be someone today. I've always had trouble swallowing the chosen people myth promoted by many 501C3 State christian churches. Christians promote the anti-christ Jewish religion as if it were right out of the Bible. No wonder the Christian Church is a scorn. more of the same misguided longing for being one of the chosen...lemme tell ya a secret...god's chosen are those who have chosen god... he speaks to us at all times and the more we fill our heads with trying to apply multi-thousand year old political histories as literal spiritual fact to a new, entirely different world, the more will we NOT hear the word... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN IDENTITY IDEA INSTIGATED BY DR.JOHN DEE
http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/for Pete Peters and www.missiontoisrael.org for Ted Weiland Also, Weiland's book, God's Covenant People, is online at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/gods-covenant-people/tableofcontents.html The book isthe standard, any serious study of what Identity is and is not, from an Identity perspective should take the time to study this book. Bill Kalivas - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN IDENTITY IDEA INSTIGATED BY DR.JOHN DEE In a message dated 1/3/02 4:28:52 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter J. Peters Do you have a web site address for Pastor Peters. I am researching the the CI movement in the U.S. Arnorld Murray from Gravite Ar. is another major player in this arena.Carl
[CTRL] Could You Be An Israelite And Not Know It?
by Ted R. Weiland "Here's a paradox, a paradox, a most ingenious paradox: and anthropological fact, many Christians may have much more Hebrew-Israelite blood in their veins than most of their Jewish neighbors." 1 --Alfred M. Lilienthal, Author of "What Price Israel?" Could there possibly be any truth to this? If so, it would mean that the majority of Christendom and the rest of society has misidentified the people most prominent in the Bible. If Israel has been misidentified there is no doubt that major errors in doctrinal interpretation and application of Biblical prophecy have been made! There are a variety of stories regarding the Israelites and their modern - day identity. It is not the purpose of this tract to relate another of these stories. Instead, it will furnish you with the rest of the story, the true story regarding Israel's modern identity, the one found in the Scriptures and verified by archeology and history -- a story not usually told by most preachers. SPIRITUAL ISRAEL A large segment of Christianity is being taught that God no longer has a plan for physical Israel under the New Covenant, and that He is now working with only a spiritual Israel. For example, in the January/February 1991 issue of The Last Trump, Dr. Ed Moore claimed: "Hence, we can begin to see that being the children of Abraham (today under the New Covenant) has nothing to do with race." 2 In his book Clouds over America, Leonard C. Lee concluded: "Since God rejected the Israelites as a nation, we can look for the fulfillment of His purposes only in [a] spiritual Israel. . . The [physical] Israelites have now passed off the stage of action. . ." 3 In essence, these men and others of the same persuasion, are proclaiming that God has no New Covenant plan for physical Israel. Yet, contrast these statements with what the inspired writer of Hebrews wrote: "Behold days are coming, says the Yahweh* when I will effect a New Covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah. . ." (Hebrews 8:8). While some people attempt to spiritualize this passage of Scripture to fit their preconceived ideas or to harmonize it with their denomination's teachings, the Israelites cannot be spiritualized in this verse, and for three reasons. First, the context will not allow it. The very next verse dictates as to whether the Israelites spoken of in verse eight are to be deemed as being either physical or spiritual: "Not like the [Mosaic] covenant which I made with their [the house of Israel's and the house of Judah's] fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt..." (Hebrews 8:9) The people described in this passage, with whom the New Covenant was and is being made, are clearly the physical descendants of the physical people whom Moses led out of Egypt. The second reason Israel cannot be spiritualized is illustrated by the Old Testament passage from which Hebrews 8:8-12 is quoted. The author of Hebrews quoted the Prophet Jeremiah, and Jeremiah continued with the following: "Thus says Yahweh, who gives the sun for light by day, and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by day If this fixed order departs from before Me ... then the offspring of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me forever. Thus says Yahweh, If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out below, then I will also cast off the offspring of Israel " (Jeremiah 31:35-37) Since the fixed order of the sun, moon and stars has not departed, and since the heavens have not been measured, and the depths of the earth searched out below, then it is quite apparent that God is still working with the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If not, then God has lied. The third reason the Israelites in Hebrews 8:8 cannot be spiritualized is because of the second witness found in Romans where the Apostle Paul declared: "For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from [the] Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belong ... the covenants" (Romans 9:3-4) Not only do the previous three passages specifically declare that God made His New Covenant with Israelites, but there are many more New Testament passages which reveal that God continues to work with the physical nation of Israel to this day.** There can be no question that God, under the New Covenant, has a plan for physical Israel (at least with the remnant who have, and are being redeemed by the atoning sacrifice of Yahshua*** the Christ). This being the case, it behooves Christianity to correctly identify the true descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd:Skolnick- THE SUCKER TRAPS, Part One
-Caveat Lector- Ferdinand Lundberg's The Rich and the Super-Rich is available from Amazon.com. From $10 - 15. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd:Skolnick- THE SUCKER TRAPS, Part One
-Caveat Lector- Can't wait. The book is over 1000 pages I understand, so a review won't be soon. BillK -Caveat Lector- Bill Kalivas wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ferdinand Lundberg's The Rich and the Super-Rich is available from Amazon.com. From $10 - 15. The REAL conspiracy is explained in this book. Still the best. Joshua2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bin Laden, Terrorist Monster: Take Two!
-Caveat Lector- Maybe this has been brought up before, but do the powers that be want Bin Laden caught? He is a convenient bad guy. Bill Kalivas - Original Message - -Caveat Lector- c'mon, the poor little rich kid has already shaved his beard and is spending his unlimited credit on the french riviera or north west australia - you don't seriously believe this runt can be cornered down some dark cave - next week ?? all he has to do is get on the shortwave radio to rent a gangster, american express - that'll do nicely for a rental of a stealth helicopter from some black ops unit - and he's out - and he probably did that last month. andrew hennessey A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
