[CTRL] Kelly Murder Was 'Sloppy Work' - or Mind Controlled?
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Comment on Kelly death and story below. Surely Campbell was in these words (below) merely reminding Blair he had nothing to hide. Blair looks a bit stricken in press photographs. Personally, I suspect he is under pressures he has not divulged to anyone. I doubt that somebody else was needed to slit Kellys wrist. Given the mind control techniques being used in 21st century warfare (see below), the easiest way to kill Kelly would be to hypnotise him and get him to do it himself in a trance state, foreseeing that people might happen by. In this scenario the local thugs would be present but staying at a distance, being too cowardly to approach the body to remove the heart monitor in case they were observed. Such a method (as I have just suggested) would be characteristic not of British government but of vested interests by whom Kelly had earlier been used. These thugs are powerful but not yet powerful enough to call themselves government. It would accord with Kellys reported answer, months earlier, to a friend who asked What will happens if the USA invades Iraq, of I will probably be found dead in the woods (not exact words). This might have been said semi-dreamily, retrieving submerged information from his mind. IMO Kelly perhaps had an earlier role forced on him by the people who managed his death, perhaps to help make the WMD dossier as innocuous as possible, and this would clarify his reported remark to the friend. Some people are reproaching government for not protecting Kellys identity. But Kelly had by that time disobeyed rules and leaked confidential information. Why would government still be expected to protect him under these circumstances. IMO, again going by typical mind control military and political methods, Kelly, if being used to restrain comments in a dossier, would have been threatened with a woods death from the start plus threatened with a lot of other things. These sorts of mind controllers use a battery of threats, half-hidden in the subconscious of the victim. I think the friend of Kelly needs questioning further about the context of the remark and hope the enquiry does this. Notes: Mind control research at a military level has been going on for more than 50 years in USA, USSR and Europe. Private groups have now got hold of it. If you would like to know more on mind control methods, try www.datafilter.com/mc/ which is a responsibly-run site with references to published information. And whenever you read of child abuse rings, bear in mind that child abuse is linked to this same sort of political blackmail leading to political power. This is the new military technology of today. The new wars, in other words, are being fought by helpless infants. Victimised children, who are selected (usually) from attacked families or attacked populations at an early age, are traumatised in ways which make them more easy to control later on. In other words, some players in this Kelly drama might themselves have been child abuse victims, cultivated and used throughout life under part-hypnosis and part-vicious threats. Genetic lines which are found to be easy to control in this way are cultivated, their families becoming attacked families. --Lyn Milnes On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: 04 September 2003 10:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Former MI6 Agent: Kelly Murder Was 'Sloppy Work' http://www.propagandamatrix.com/010903kellymurder.html Former MI6 Agent: Kelly Murder Was 'Sloppy Work' I received the following E mail from a Scottish journalist who works from a mainstream paper. I know his identity but he asked it not to be revealed. Suffice to say I have verified his name. It is up to the reader to discern whether the following information is accurate but it fits in with related information previously featured on this website. The E mail is edited for clarity. = I'm a reader from Glasgow, Scotland in the United Kingdom. I'm a journalist and stand-up comedian and heard some bits and pieces from a BBC reporter who was on Tony Blair's far-east tour plane following Kelly's death. A conversation was overheard by this BBC reporter between Tony Blair and his press secretary Alistair Campbell. The conversation was heard folowing the press conference when Blair was asked if he had Dr Kelly's blood on his hands and Blair froze and didn't answer. Campbell, a notorious ranter was heard to say: What the fuck was that, you know the line on this, what were you doing, why didn't you answer. Blair's response was inaudible and Campbell was then heard to say: This is what you wanted, you asked for this so play the game Tony. Since then Blair continually trotted out the line about waiting for the Inquiry
Re: [CTRL] Iraqi doctors blame cancer rise on depleted uranium shells
-Caveat Lector- By-Products of Manufacturing costly disposal or profitable sale? (Well, that depends how stupid your government is.) -- The best way to dispose of unwanted by-products, from a business bottom-line point of view, is to get some idiot who doesnt realise you have a disposal problem to pay good money for them. In bauxite-aluminium manufacturing, apparently the unwelcome by-product fluoride no longer has to be dumped, as a nuisance and expense to the manufacturer. It can now be sold to government for use as a dental caries preventative, making added profits for the aluminium business. Though useful only while childrens second teeth are growing, fluoride is often administered to all age groups in drinking water. Some opponents say fluoride in drinking water also has the tendency to make a population more docile, said to have been discovered during Nazi WW2 research. Similarly, in natural uranium refining, the metal remainder by-product depleted uranium can be sold to government. As mentioned in the Japan Today story submitted (below) it is sold for use in artillery shells and bombs designed to penetrate tanks and other armoured vehicles. Some doctors blame increased birth defects and increased leukaemic type cancers on the use of depleted uranium shells in Bosnia and Iraq. In Iraq the increase in birth defects since 1988, before Gulf War One, has been tenfold in some areas, and the rise in leukaemic cancers is equally dramatic. It should be noted however that such medical conditions can result from other factors which might similarly have been increased during war, such as non-ionising radiation such as altered electro-magnetic fields, inhalation of other chemicals, or ingestion of other chemicals. There is good recent British evidence for example (H Dolk et al) showing that birth defects increase by about 33% within a 2-3 kilometre vicinity of typical European landfills, though such landfills are not believed to contain items emitting ionising radiation. Leukaemic disorders have been found to occur in suspicious clusters around certain types of electromagnetic fields, as shown in research in Sydney, NSW, Australia, or downwind of some metal smelters such as in Port Kembla, NSW, Australia. How do we know these same sorts of effects were not what caused the increased incidence after Gulf War One? Business is good, especially small and medium-sized business. Attention to profits is good. Recycling of wastes is good. But all these things can be used to create bad ends as well, especially when the scale is huge because government gets involved. We shouldnt let a small handful of idiot public servants have the power to dose us all with something in our drinking water. Or, for that matter, in our health systems, armies, welfare agencies or schools. Governments do a rotten job in health, only a fair job in education (with lots of hurts, failures and injuries to self-esteem), a just plain anti-social job in welfare, and they always make a mess of things when they touch business. They destroy small business, confuse medium business, and are completely outwitted by big business. Governments should be starved of money and kept very small. Perhaps they should be administering only Police, Justice and Foreign Affairs; nothing else. Individuals, families and local communities should be allowed to fill in the social, business, educative and health gaps in the ways they find best for themselves. It would force them to get together, discuss, and co-operate and can that be a bad thing? When it comes to disposing of unwelcome by-products, the best idiot of all is usually Government. Government isnt really an idiot, of course, but it only takes a few bribed or mind-controlled (e.g. hypnotised with social and technical aids see www.datafilter.com/mc/ ) or outside-loyalties public servants to make it one. I think democracy is great or would be, if we had ever had it. We havent. What we have had is vested interests exploiting government to suit themselves, while putting up a camouflage of democracy. Maybe, if we are careful about protecting the integrity of our greatest asset, the internet, we will one day achieve it. Meanwhile, lets chop government off at the knees by, say, abolishing income tax. But, a caution: lets not create a dangerous vacuum. We dont want to get rid of one government only to find a self-appointed surrogate government has come in and taken its place. Lets not allow big media or big business or big religion to make themselves into some new government. That would be worse than what we have now. Lyn Milnes in New Zealand On Behalf Of Eric Hoffsten Sent: 19 August 2003 17:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Iraqi doctors blame cancer rise on depleted uranium shells from http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=newscat=8id=269783
Re: [CTRL] Kelly: 'I'll probably be found dead in the woods'
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Good story, significant in my view, because there is a pattern of people who have been threatened dropping hints to the odd person while not being able to say so directly to the authorities. This tells me a great deal. Thank you. LM === William Shannon wrote: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1023 Kelly: 'I'll probably be found dead in the woods' PA News Reporters -- The Independent 21 August 2003 David Kelly, the government weapons expert, predicted that he would be found dead in the woods if Iraq was invaded, months before his apparent suicide, the Hutton Inquiry heard today. The weapons inspector slashed his wrist in Oxfordshire woodlands after being revealed as the source for BBC claims that the Government's dossier on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction had been sexed up in the run-up to war. Foreign Office official David Broucher said Dr Kelly had made what he thought to be the throwaway remark in February, when they met in Geneva. Dr Kelly had expected to remain anonymous after meeting BBC journalist Andrew Gilligan, the inquiry had heard earlier. He had publicly maintained that the Ministry of Defence had been quite good when he revealed he had briefed Mr Gilligan. But privately the weapons expert told a trusted contact: I have been through the wringer. (more) www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Center Opened In Baghdad (How Nice)
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Some of this story is nonsense. Iraqi citizens must have used the word Israel. Israel was formed in 1948. Just from my personal experience, I know there were lots of long-established Jewish Iraqi citizens in Iraq before the political repression of them in the 1950s. >From about 1957, they fled for their lives to other countries, which was wise. Jews have been persecuted for so long, they quickly sense persecution and make the enormous sacrifice of packing up and moving on, to save their families. What else can they do? They are not warmongers by nature. Why were Jewish people being persecuted suddenly in Iraq in the 1950s? I dont know. I do know however that in the mid-60s there were ex-Nazi types who had become comfortably established in the Middle Eastern countries. I noted this during my own travels in the Middle East. This factor could have had something to do with the fact that cultured, educated Iraqi Jewish families who had lived there peacefully for many generations suddenly had to pack up and flee their own country. The whole attitude depicted in this story is disgraceful, in my view, and you shouldnt be promulgating it. L L Milnes William Shannon wrote: (extract) Dr. Anwar Abdu Aziz, professor of political sciences in Baghdad University, charged that MEMRI and its offshoots have sinister objectives. Israel's underground goals in the Middle East are not a secret; this center is, in effect, a façade for intelligence and security bodies orchestrated by the Mossad (Israel's intelligence service), he stressed. The academic urged the U.S.-handpicked interim Iraqi Governing Council to immediately shut down the Israeli center in Baghdad because it will penetrate our security. For her part, Dr. Soad Bahudin al-Mousli from Al-Rafeden University, said Iraqis have never pronounced the word Israel and always referred to it as the Zionist enemy. She wondered: Who would have imagined that Baghdad would someday host a center serving Israeli plots and schemes? Before the ouster of Iraqi president Saddam Hussein, Iraq was the only country in the Arab world if not in the entire world to sentence anyone who imported Israeli products to capital punishment. This is the product of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and reaffirms out conviction that Israel and the United States are two sides of the same coin, Dr. Mousli underlined. She further exhorted Iraqis to stand up to this Israeli infiltration, which runs counter to the interests of the Arab nations. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion (Bacon)
-Caveat Lector- I am puzzled about how the Roman Catholic Church can speak out as though opposing gays, when 10% of its own priests are leading active gay lives. The 10% figure comes from married ex-priest and university lecturer in psychiatry W. Richard Sipe, who is a sexual counsellor of catholic priests. His books say 10% of priests are gay, 30% of priests are leading lives of heterosexual relationships, and 6% are sexually oriented towards children. Is the Pope's real objection to gay marriage that it might put extra pressure on the church to let all priests marry, which would mean they have to pay priests salaries? This might send the church bankrupt. In the USA alone, if all RC priests had to be paid a salary of $35,000 a year, a minimum so they could marry and support a family, this would cost the Roman Catholic church $1.57 billion a year. LLM (Sending this again, so apologies if duplicated - I got a strange garbled version back) Subj: U.N. group in 'showdown with religion' Date: 8/7/03 11:51:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) U.N. group in 'showdown with religion' Gathered homosexual leaders to sharpen 'rights' strategy worldwide http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984 C 2003 WorldNetDaily.com Buoyed by growing political acceptance of homosexuals worldwide, a United Nations group promoting gay and lesbian rights met in New York to sharpen a multi-pronged strategy that includes a showdown with religion. The meeting was sponsored by the U.N. Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual Employees, known as UNGLOBE, a group officially recognized by the worldwide body in 1996. At a forum Monday, attended briefly by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, panel members singled out Roman Catholics and evangelical Protestants as opponents, according to the New York-based Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute. Speakers included U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who urged Congress to withhold support for a free trade agreement with Muslim-majority Egypt because of its treatment of homosexuals. Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the San Francisco-based International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, or IGLHRC, announced a coming showdown with religion and vowed Pope John Paul II's call to arms against homosexual marriage would be successfully combated. Another panel member, Princeton University professor Anthony Appiah, wondered whether or not religion should be limited, as it poses a challenge to the homosexual agenda. To thunderous applause, Svend Robinson, a member of the Canadian parliament, told the Catholic Church to clean up your own house before criticizing the morality of homosexuals. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Catholic Hitler With Nazi Photos!
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Dave, I found these statements striking.?? Yes, and a lot of non-catholics died at the stake because they refused to say that the mass wafer and wine were LITERALLY THE FLESH AND THE BLOOD OF Christ.?? (You were not allowed to say it merely represented the body and blood of Christ.) If you feel like it, tell me how you characterise the squabbling RC sides.?? ?i.e. Which group or order is on which side in the RC church internal squabble??? This is a question that has been occupying my mind for a while. Lyn Milnes I very much doubt that one-godder-theists with their plethora of squabblesinternal andexternal, often over the most banal of theological minutia, need any help toward schism and dysfunctional 'unity'from so-called New Agers. Monotheists do a far better job of screwing each other over than any outsiders. They have shed each others blood over such profound societal issues as to whether god is one person or three. Roman Catholicism (aka Globalism), is a political totalitarian system which masquerades as areligious faith. Ithas spilt more human blood than any other pseudo religious organism. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Om
Re: [CTRL] U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion (Bacon)
-Caveat Lector- I am puzzled about how the Roman Catholic Church can speak out as though opposing gays, when 10% of its own priests are leading active gay lives. The 10% figure comes from married ex-priest and university lecturer in psychiatry W. Richard Sipe, who is a sexual counsellor of catholic priests. His books say 10% of priests are gay, 30% of priests are leading lives of heterosexual relationships, and 6% are sexually oriented towards children. Is the Pope's real objection to gay marriage that it might put extra pressure on the church to let all priests marry, which would mean they have to pay priests salaries? This might send the church bankrupt. In the USA alone, if all RC priests had to be paid a salary of $35,000 a year, a minimum so they could marry and support a family, this would cost the Roman Catholic church $1.57 billion a year. LLM Subj: U.N. group in 'showdown with religion' Date: 8/7/03 11:51:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) U.N. group in 'showdown with religion' Gathered homosexual leaders to sharpen 'rights' strategy worldwide http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984 2003 WorldNetDaily.com Buoyed by growing political acceptance of homosexuals worldwide, a United Nations group promoting gay and lesbian rights met in New York to sharpen a multi-pronged strategy that includes a showdown with religion. The meeting was sponsored by the U.N. Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual Employees, known as UNGLOBE, a group officially recognized by the worldwide body in 1996. At a forum Monday, attended briefly by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, panel members singled out Roman Catholics and evangelical Protestants as opponents, according to the New York-based Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute. Speakers included U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who urged Congress to withhold support for a free trade agreement with Muslim-majority Egypt because of its treatment of homosexuals. Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the San Francisco-based International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, or IGLHRC, announced a coming showdown with religion and vowed Pope John Paul II's call to arms against homosexual marriage would be successfully combated. Another panel member, Princeton University professor Anthony Appiah, wondered whether or not religion should be limited, as it poses a challenge to the homosexual agenda. To thunderous applause, Svend Robinson, a member of the Canadian parliament, told the Catholic Church to clean up your own house before criticizing the morality of homosexuals. Robinson criticized Roman Catholic Bishop Frederick Henry of Calgary, calling his actions in defense of traditional marriage unbelievable. The deputy mocked born again Christians, asking, Did they have to come back again as themselves? As WorldNetDaily reported, Robinson is the sponsor of a bill that would add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and hate crimes legislation. Opponents believe it would criminalize public expression against homosexual behavior, including making quotations from the Bible. The U.N. group that hosted the event is pressing the United Nations to recognize same-sex couples and treat their partnerships as equal to traditional marriages. Carol Bellamy, executive director of the U.N. Children's Fund, or UNICEF, sent a message of support to the conference. Annan told panel members the world should become much more tolerant and compassionate. I think what is important is that we should stress those positive aspects in our society, the things that bring us together, and move away from discrimination and persecution, the secretary general said. At a news conference last week, the Atlantic Monthly reported, Annan was asked to comment on the debate over what constitutes a family. I believe that individuals should be allowed to make their own choices and that we should be careful not to draw conclusions or adopt prejudicial attitudes towards people for their choices and preferences, he said. That's not something I think this organization should get involved in. Mark Malloch Brown, administrator of the U.N. Development Program, sent a statement to the organizers, stating, Discrimination based on sexual orientation not only violates basic human rights but also hinders development by immobilizing human capital, stifling expression and limiting freedom of choice. U.N. Human Rights Commission meeting The panel discussed ways to ensure the success of a resolution at introduced at this year's U.N. Human Rights Commission to expand the world body's definition of discrimination to include sexual orientation. Robinson blamed the Vatican for the resolution's failure and promised a global lobby effort to ensure victory next year. This year's resolution was
[CTRL] Liberia, West Africa US religious right
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- From American Atheists newsletter: * Thousands of miles away is yet another theater of al Qaeda operations, and politics involving Enron friends and the American religious right.? Start with Ralph Reed, Enron political hit man and associate of televangelist Pat Robertson.? Robertson -- who recently spent $75 million in an unsuccessful bid to open a California oil refinery of his own -- is in business in Liberia thanks to close friend and associate Charles Taylor, the country's dictator. In December, 1998, Robertson incorporated Freedom Gold Limited out of the Caymans, the same offshore shelter used by Enron and numerous other financial operators.? On May 18, 1999 Robertson, Charles Taylor and members of the Taylor puppet cabinet signed an operating agreement.? Robertson would invest money in the Freedom Gold Limited exploration, and the Taylor government -- Charles R.? Taylor -- would be given 10% equity investment and the right to purchase at least 15% of subsequent shares. Robertson has become an outspoken defender of Taylor, despite his shabby record on human rights.? For those who have watched Pat Robertson and his global business dealings over the past quarter-century, this is a reminder of his earlier financial and personal relationship with former Zairian strongman Mobutu Sese-Seko. Robertson established the African Development Corporation and obtained lucrative mining and lumber contracts, all the while serving as Mobutu's advocate in the United States.? The dictatorial Mobutu, though, drained his nation's treasury, absconding to Switzerland with an estimated $2 billion in stolen assets. Robertson has defended Taylor as a Christian statesman despite the scrutiny of human rights groups and now even links to the al Qaeda terrorist network.? This story begins in September, 1998 when, following an attack by Taylor's police on the U.S.? Embassy, al Qaeda operative Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah arrived in the capital of Monrovia and met with a top Taylor lieutenant, Ibrahim Bah.? According to a story in the New Republic magazine by Ryan Lizza, the two then flew in a government helicopter to meet with a senior commander of the Revolutionary United Front.? RUF has controlled the diamond mines of Sierra Leon for the last four years, and was the source of conflict diamonds used to obtain funds for the American embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. Since then ...? bin Laden has raised millions -- perhaps tens of millions -- of dollars buying cut-rate RUF diamonds and selling them in Europe, noted Lizza. This is all very bad news for Taylor's apologists and business associates in the United States, added Lizza, a motley crew that includes Jesse Jackson, Pat Robertson, New Jersey Representative Donald Payne, and former Massachusetts Democratic Party Chairman Lester Hyman... It has been bad news for Robertson as well, whose deal with Taylor calls for mining operations in a 900-square-kilometer section of southeastern Liberia.? Taylor's regime has even issued a press release quoting Robertson as saying, I pray that this investment may become a wonderful blessing to the people of Liberia. One functionary in the Taylor-Robertson deal is Jenkins Dunbar, Minister of Lands, Mines and Energy for the Taylor regime.? He has been reported as a collaborator with other cronies of the Liberian strongman in facilitating the work of international criminal gangs. Dunbar's name also surfaced in the fraud investigation into Greater Ministries International, an investment scam operated by Rev.? James W.? List of Tampa, Florida.? List has already been convicted in U.S. federal court for his participation in the scheme, and it was Dunbar who vetoed concerns by the Ministry of National Security, and ushered through the permits allowing List and his group to operate in Liberia. In addition, Dunbar has an indictment against him in the Oklahoma where he worked as an inspector for the state and monitored oil wells. According to Perspective magazine, Dunbar orchestrated fraud and received bribes and kickbacks for ignoring safety hazards. -- Robertson, Jackson and others defend Taylor against charges of corruption and megalomania; but the Freedom Gold operation in Liberia required direct intervention by Taylor who bypassed his own legislature in order to obtain mining concessions for the prominent American televangelist.? The Robertson-Taylor document was labeled Mineral Development Agreement Between the Republic of Liberia and Freedom Gold Limited.? It gave Robertson control of gold mining concessions that had belonged to an established businessman named Ken Ross II, a supporter of an earlier regime. The Liberian legislature, though, refused to ratify the Agreement.? A second contract was drawn up in October, 2000 which provided that the Taylor-Dunbar-Robertson deal would take effect when approved by the president of Republic of Liberia.? Gone was language
Re: [CTRL] We Already Know ... [CTRL] Gassed Kurds
-Caveat Lector- FLW: Thank you for your reply. I am having difficulty here because my messages are being bounced back to me by CTRL, so the rest of the list will not have a clue what your reply referred to. For some reason my original comment on Kurds/WMD was allowed through, but now we are back to the blocked stage I was at on the list prior to that. I can only assume some selective mechanism is operating. I saw your two points about (1) gas is not a WMD, only nukes, and (2) the USA helped Saddam earlier on. My letter contained a point which I thought replied to the first of these. 5000 Kurds (even though that number is disputed) is a mass of people, and most discussions of WMD go wider than nuclear weapons. I believe you are correct about the US helping Saddam earlier on. I have looked at the weapons source statistics, and the contributions of France and Russia towards Saddam's arsenal were also large. Regards, LM -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of flw Sent: 03 August 2003 13:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] We Already Know ... [CTRL] Gassed Kurds Lyn: The point of my message was not whether or not Saddam gassed the Kurds. The Iranians gassed, the Iraqis gassed, the Kurds were victims. You ignored the point that the US helped Saddam manufacture his poison. The US was responsible for the deaths of 100,000/s of Shiites and Kurds when it formented an uprising against Saddam in 1991 after the Gulf War - then had second thoughts about permitting the Shiites from taking power, afraid they would ally themselves with the Iranian Shiites. The US permitted Saddam to use his heliocopters after we had established a 'no fly zone' to butcher the Shiites and Kurds. Now we cry crocodile tears The WMD BS is agiprop invented by the neo-cons. flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] We Already Know ... [CTRL] Gassed Kurds
-Caveat Lector- Your argument is not valid. Halabja had been occupied (temporarily) by Iranian forces 48 hours before the main chemical attack from Iraq. But there had been earlier chemical attacks as well, and the Iraqi administration later used the chemical attack on Halabja as a threat to keep its Kurdish citizens in line. There is a book called No Friends But The Mountains - the Tragic History Of The Kurds, written by two senior UK journalists called John Bullock and Harvey Morris, and first published in 1992. On page 9 of the Penguin 1993 edition, it states: . The Kurds saw little prospect that the Western build-up in the Gulf would bring them any direct advantage. In the early months of the crisis there was certainly no thought in the West of a possible Kurdish role in an Iraqi post-war settlement, if indeed there was to be a war. The Kurds were also mindful of the fact that if they decided to strike at the regime but struck too soon and before it was sufficiently weakened, then Baghdad might respond as it had in the past, with bombardment by chemical weapons. Saddam's deputy, Izzat Ibrahim, had even gone to Suleimaniyeh to warn them: 'If you have forgotten Halabja, I would like to remind you that we are ready to repeat the operation.' On page 142 it states: ... In the late afternoon of 16 March the first wave of Iraqi planes appeared over the town to drop their bomb-loads of mustard has, nerve gas and cyanide. Within a few hours as many as 5,000 people were dead and as many again lay burned and gasping for breath from the effects of the chemical attack.. . The Kurds call Halabja the Kurdish Auschwitz, not because the scale of the massacre was comparable with that of the Nazi death camp, but because the victims were chosen merely because they were Kurds. .as a punishment for their assumed collaboration with Iran and the Iranian-backed peshmerga who had seized Halabja from Iraqi forces less than forty-eight hours earlier.. And It was not the first time the Baathist regime had used chemical weapons against the Kurds - Mullah Mustafa Barzani complained to the United Nations as early as 1963 that Baghdad was using chemicals. Nor was it to be the last. In the twelve months leading up to the raid on Halabja there had been chemical attacks against villages, civilians and peshmerga units in isolated valleys on twenty-one separate days. After a raid on the Balasan valley in Arbil province on 16 April 1987, 286 injured Kurds made their way to Arbil city for medical attention. They were all captured and killed by the Iraqi army. But Halabja was the most ruthless and deadly operation until then, and had been directed at targets - civilian citizens of Iraq - with no possible military significance. L L Milnes www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] We Already Know the Administration Was Lying
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- If Saddam Husseins administration did not have WMD, then what did he use against the Kurds in northern Iraq, when he dropped chemical weapons to murder thousands of his own people? L L Milnes -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: 02 August 2003 15:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] We Already Know the Administration Was Lying http://www.lewrockwell.com/callahan/callahan113.html We Already Know the Administration Was Lying by Gene Callahan I found Bob Murphy's recent piece on LewRockwell.com to be an excellent analysis of the recent controversy as to whether the Bush administration was guilty of inflating the threat Saddam Hussein presented to the US. However, I felt that the conclusion understated the actual case against Bush. Murphy wrote: Until weapons of mass destruction are found in Iraq, and have been verified by independent experts, the US invasion remains immoral and illegal, on the very criteria President Bush himself laid out for it. This implies that should the US find weapons of mass destruction (henceforth, WMDs), then Bush is off the hook for lying to us on this issue. But I believe that we already can conclude the administration was lying, whether or not any WMDs or documents proving there were WMDs eventually are unearthed. (Like Murphy, I don't pretend to have any deep knowledge of Iraq's military programs over the last decade. It would neither shock me if it really had developed some very deadly weapons, nor if it had not. I am an Iraq WMD agnostic. However, I do think it is difficult to explain why, if Hussein would not destroy his WMDs to avert war, he would suddenly destroy them right when they would actually be of use to him.) www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
