Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- On 6 Jan 99 , YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, when Ronnie the Communicator closed the institutions that held a good share of the people now homeless, If you are referring to actual shelters for the homeless, I will agree with your statement... But we can't forget it was 'Liberals' who decided that previously institutionalized people suffering from mental illness should be 'mainstreamed' into society, with the result that these people were released from the institutions with nowhere to go, and no support network Which was preceded by exposes such as the film "Willowbrook " which revealed horrendous and shocking abuses at said institutions. What happened in between the closing of those institutions and the opening of shelters and the creation of networks? Ah yes-- a Bush administration. And a general explosion of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome among the less-than-liberal public as it raced toward yuppie excess dreaming of riches and power. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Sno0wl wrote: But we can't forget it was 'Liberals' who decided that previously institutionalized people suffering from mental illness should be 'mainstreamed' into society, with the result that these people were released from the institutions with nowhere to go, and no support network Which was preceded by exposes such as the film "Willowbrook " which revealed horrendous and shocking abuses at said institutions. What happened in between the closing of those institutions and the opening of shelters and the creation of networks? Ah yes-- a Bush administration. No, it all happened well before 1988...the institutionalized mentally ill were mainstreamed well before "Willowbrook", due to the flower-child mentality of the 60s that people should be 'free'...a process that was hastened by the introduction of what were considered 'magic bullet' wonder drugs to treat the mentally ill...it was naively thought that these previously institutionalized people would just automatically keep up with their meds when not under constant supervision... I agree that many of these institutions were houses of horror...but some were not, we had a couple here in Connecticut that were like country clubs, which attracted many of the rich and famous along with those whome the state sent... By the late 70s, most of these facilities were empty, operating as day houses if they stayed open at all... The problem that none of these PhD's foresaw was the fact that most of these previously institutionalized patients had little, if any, job skills...many did not have families to turn to...definitely no monetary resources...so what were they to do? Where were they to go? A few lucky ones who were 'together' enough to figure out a game plan made it to programs that provided them a temporary shelter as it taught them job skills and helped them find jobs...but for the vast majority, they ended up on the street, unable or unwilling to take their meds (presuming what they'd been prescribed worked in the long run, anyways) Unfortunately, just when these people needed publicly funded programs for shelter and job training the most, the Reagan Administration gutted the programs... So it's a case of 'a pox on both your houses' -- the mentally ill were deinstitutionalized under a relatively liberal attitude (laudable, if naive), that they'd be better off outside an institution, an attitude that resulted from rose-colored blinders, of not evaluating what the LONG term results to the patients would be, and to plan accordingly...and then those who were deinstitutionalized fell victim to the conservative gutting of social welfare programs... And a general explosion of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome among the less-than-liberal public as it raced toward yuppie excess dreaming of riches and power. Yes, but that happened circa 1980, not 1988... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 12:22:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . And a general explosion of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome among the less-than-liberal public as it raced toward yuppie excess dreaming of riches and power. Yes, it's still going on. There's a big fight going on re a half-way house in our area right now. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- Screw all the homeless!!! Personally, I would like to kick up dust in their collective faces as my Range Rover speeds me off to a ski vacation in Aspen! However, I would not want to sully the Gucci bags I have on the luggage rack with their cooties. During this cold month of January, I like to think about the homeless people of this country. I usually do it while sitting on the deck of my house in St. Thomas. Then I collapse into fits of laughter. What do you think they say as they're going to sleep? "Hey Joe, isn't this bed GRATE?" What does a homeless kid say to his parents when he turns 18? "Mom, Dad. I have to move out. This place has me BOXED IN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA This is America, land of opportunity! If they don't know how to work hard and get ahead, then I say they are criminals! They are violating the basic principles of capitalism. I say if you do not have at least $250,000 in the bank by the time you are 27 then you are lazy, shiftless and should be rounded up with the rest of the freeloaders and destroyed. LONG LIVE THE TOP 10%!! -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 12:22:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . And a general explosion of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome among the less-than-liberal public as it raced toward yuppie excess dreaming of riches and power. Yes, it's still going on. There's a big fight going on re a half-way house in our area right now. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- Kick up dust in my face with your status symbol and I'll have your ass. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- Well Agent, I don't know what that says about you that you want my ass at all! Is that a rough trade game you like to play? Why don't you just sit in the gutter with the rest of the castoffs and stop making idle threats? -- From: Agent Smiley[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 2:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness -Caveat Lector- Kick up dust in my face with your status symbol and I'll have your ass. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- On 8 Jan 99 , YnrChyldzWyld wrote: And a general explosion of the not-in-my-backyard syndrome among the less-than-liberal public as it raced toward yuppie excess dreaming of riches and power. Yes, but that happened circa 1980, not 1988... It's still happening. Recently, on the Upper West Side of NYC--the project did finally go through and is, I think, operating successfully. And up here in N. Bennington, VT--where I'm not quite sure of the outcome. Great deal of divisiveness and contention about having "those people" in the neighborhood. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
"In San Francisco last year, the police issued over 16,000 `quality of life' violation tickets -- most of them to homeless people. Police are taking photographs of people they claim are `habitual drinkers' ... and distributing them to liquor stores.'' Report Cites Harassment of Homeless WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's homeless people are increasingly being harassed by police, driven from the streets in which they beg and sleep by cities putting ``meanness'' ahead of compassion, an advocacy group's report contends. Many cities are bent on ``criminalizing homelessness'' and are failing to take advantage of existing constructive methods to treat homeless people for physical and mental problems and get them into housing and jobs, says the report by the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty. But affordable housing remains a principal barrier, according to the report released Monday. It is the fifth such report issued since 1991. ``While cities continue to crack down on homeless people, resources to shelter homeless people or to help them to become self-sufficient are sorely lacking,'' the report says. ``Instead of sending in the police to move and arrest these people, you can provide resources,'' said Maria Foscarinis, the center's executive director. ``Criminalizing is a quick fix, but it's not a solution. People have to go somewhere.'' The report says many cities are turning to their police forces to enforce new or old laws that limit the use of public space and restrict begging. They are targeting the homeless for selective enforcement of the law and conducting sweeps to physically remove them, the report says. It cited five cities -- Atlanta, Chicago, New York, San Francisco and Tucson, Ariz. -- as being especially tough on the homeless and ``promoting the `meanest' streets.''' The report makes these assertions: Atlanta: ``Sweeps and crackdowns continue to occur with homeless people being removed from under bridges and moved along in the downtown area.'' Chicago: The city ``has made a concerted effort to arrest and prosecute homeless people for panhandling'' and is trying to remove them altogether from certain areas. New York City: ``There continues to be a crackdown on homeless people as the mayor focuses on `quality of life' violations; sweeps continue on an almost nightly basis.'' San Francisco: ``From January to November 1998 the police issued over 16,000 `quality of life' violation tickets, the majority of which were issued to homeless people. Police are taking pictures of people they claim are `habitual drinkers' ... and distributing them to liquor stores.'' Tucson: ``City officials fully accept the criminalization policy; council members proposed looking into a plan to privatize the sidewalks which would allow business owners to keep homeless people off the sidewalks. Some homeless people were released from jail with travel restrictions.'' ``Some concerns about public space are legitimate,'' the report says. ``Ultimately, no city resident -- homeless or housed -- wants people living and begging in the streets.'' But it contends that rather than turning to the police, ``cities must concentrate on efforts to alleviate the problem of homelessness rather than concentrating on the symptoms of the problem.''
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/99 12:11:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ``Some concerns about public space are legitimate,'' the report says. ``Ultimately, no city resident -- homeless or housed -- wants people living and begging in the streets.'' But it contends that rather than turning to the police, ``cities must concentrate on efforts to alleviate the problem of homelessness rather than concentrating on the symptoms of the problem.'' Well, when Ronnie the Communicator closed the institutions that held a good share of the people now homeless, he never designated where they should go. Perhaps since it appears to be a nation-wide problem, our Republican Congress can come up with something (when they get through with the more important issue of Monica that is). Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Criminalizing Homelessness
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, when Ronnie the Communicator closed the institutions that held a good share of the people now homeless, If you are referring to actual shelters for the homeless, I will agree with your statement... But we can't forget it was 'Liberals' who decided that previously institutionalized people suffering from mental illness should be 'mainstreamed' into society, with the result that these people were released from the institutions with nowhere to go, and no support network June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
