Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- jews arent white if by white you refer to a certain culture. specifically european ruling culture This is not true anymore. Jews were allowed to become White Guys with the civil rights movement in the 60's. Only after that did they get into elite positions in government and Big Biz. J2 Except. of course. for the Rothschilds. Amelia The Rothchilds aren't American. Furthermore the Rothchilds aren't important anymore except in the fevered brains (sic) of anti jew racists. I was talking about ordinary people who were locked out of top universities, and the TOP professions by WASP good ol' boys who couldn't stand the competition. J2 Be dissing Mo Dees and he put ya on da list! Be dissing Mo Dees and he put ya on da list! Be dissing Abbie Foxman and you know he gonna write! Amelia A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- jews arent white if by white you refer to a certain culture. specifically european ruling culture race is all bullshit anyway -- -- -- -- -- Planet spins - so do I neo-sufi wisdom NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:43:11 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- At 11:52 PM 9/8/01 -0400, thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- ive' known blond jews - plenty of them -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Nonetheless, the fact remains that blond, nordic, scandanavian, etc. are racial code words that the left uses to impute whiteness and it's political attributes (white skin privilege, white racism, white supremacists) to those of European origin identified as enemies of the left. Blond Jews are never identified as white, unless the left is seeking to undermine or discredit them. Hillary's onetime political guru, Michael Lerner, published an essay in his magazine, Tikkun, entitled Jews are not White. Get it? He wrote that for your education. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- jews arent white if by white you refer to a certain culture. specifically european ruling culture This is not true anymore. Jews were allowed to become White Guys with the civil rights movement in the 60's. Only after that did they get into elite positions in government and Big Biz. J2 race is all bullshit anyway -- -- -- -- -- Planet spins - so do I neo-sufi wisdom NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:43:11 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- At 11:52 PM 9/8/01 -0400, thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- ive' known blond jews - plenty of them -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Nonetheless, the fact remains that blond, nordic, scandanavian, etc. are racial code words that the left uses to impute whiteness and it's political attributes (white skin privilege, white racism, white supremacists) to those of European origin identified as enemies of the left. Blond Jews are never identified as white, unless the left is seeking to undermine or discredit them. Hillary's onetime political guru, Michael Lerner, published an essay in his magazine, Tikkun, entitled Jews are not White. Get it? He wrote that for your education. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Damian B. Cooper wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 06:29 PM 9/9/01 -0400, Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- ive' known blond jews - plenty of them In case you haven't noticed, Cooper is racist. No. I haven't noticed that Cooper is a racist. I have noticed that Nurev Ind. is a libeler, a name-caller, and a defamer. Ouch! That hurts coming from a racist. Hence the notion that insulting blonds is equal to insulting white christians. I am a blond Jew. I wasn't insulted by the reference to blond-ism, but that isn't really the same. You weren't insulted because you're not white. Jews are not white. Of course Jews are White. They are as caucasian as any other White group. Only Christian bigots considered them non-white. I didn't say that. Adolf Hitler didn't say that. David Duke didn't say that. Hillary's guru and Jewish supremacist Michael Lerner said that in his publication Tikkun. So? Who the hell is Lerner? Poor White Guys. The erosion of their power is scary. Life is sure tough these days. True. True. True. And us Poor White Guys know that our disempowerment is premeditated and intended. Perpetrated by Rich White Guys. And we know that people like you rejoice in our disempowerment. Oh the joy. And we know that you rejoice in our disempowerment because you are a bigot. You poor white guys don't have any power. Never did. You're just afraid to lose your illusions of power. Next thing you know someone will try to give blond blue eyed Aryans a bad name. You are suggesting that blond blue eyed people have a bad name? How long have you harbored this negative racist stereotype of blond blue eyed people? Some of my best friends are blond blue eyed people. Including my kid, and myself. Have you sought counseling to overcome this inexplicable and ignorant bigotry. Nah. J2 DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- jews arent white if by white you refer to a certain culture. specifically european ruling culture This is not true anymore. Jews were allowed to become White Guys with the civil rights movement in the 60's. Only after that did they get into elite positions in government and Big Biz. J2 Except. of course. for the Rothschilds. Amelia Be dissing Mo Dees and he put ya on da list! Be dissing Mo Dees and he put ya on da list! Be dissing Abbie Foxman and you know he gonna write! Amelia A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- allowed? thats like the people who keep telling me its ok if i celbrate christmas as if id want to no thanks -- -- -- -- -- Planet spins - so do I neo-sufi wisdom NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Nurev Independent Research Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:01:28 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit You weren't insulted because you're not white. Jews are not white. Of course Jews are White. They are as caucasian as any other White group. Only Christian bigots considered them non-white. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Well, J2, I pretty well know what you will say in response to my question but I was hoping the person who made the claim would respond. So you really think the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (I am told this family is Jewish by many who know everything) and power elite hang out on these lists? How many international bankers do you think participate? These people are as oppressed as anybody else by TPTB. I live in Appalachia and see oppression all the time and they have been completely by-passed by every social program that has come down the pike because of thinking like yours and because they are white. There has been no outcry allowed for their injustices just because they are white. No special programs for them, nothing. The poorest of the poor that I have ever personally encountered are white, usually very white. They live in houses with some rooms with dirt floors NOW and I do not know any blacks or Hispanics who do this. Their children are malnourished and they do not qualify for welfare because to get that, they would have to give up their home and it is all they have and has been in their family forever. Go a bit farther South and you hit Cajun country, a veritable nest of power and wealth?? Well, they are white, aren't they? I guess they just want to live like that. I do not think that the powerful have made any difference in their exploitation. It is about poverty and oppression and socio-economics and not about skin color. They are equal opportunity oppressors. Attempting to render middle-class whites powerless when they do not have any more power than anybody else is really alienating them. Because there are more of them does not make their difficulties any less valid. Because they do not riot and complain and whine does not mean they have life any easier than any other group. I just don't buy your 'justification' at all and if it is not only OK but commendable for one ethnic group to promote and defend themselves, it is for ALL to do so. Whites have just as much right to their own culture as any other ethnic group. Reverse discrimination is as morally wrong as direct discrimination and that is all this is and that is what you condoning. I also think this race-baiting by minorities has gone too far. As for these people being so stupid, please point out to me the more enlightened ethnic organizations. Let me guess. Could the initials be ADL, based on your prior claims to more education and sophistication. These poor whites lack all of that so who has the real advantage? Being in the majority does NOT make any group automatically racist. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese How is this racist? How is it different from the NAACP, the ADL or any other organization established for the promotion of an ethnic group? It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof. But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER STRUCTURE and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous, unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed to do. So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a monopoly. That's the difference Amelia. J2 See their statement of purpose below. Is is solely because they are 'white' for what other difference is there? Are you stating that it is racist for whites to do the identical actions of other races or ethnic groups and that it is only racist for whites to do so? Amelia European American Issues Forum Purpose Statement European/American Issues Forum CW Kuhn, Secretary--M. Piercy, Treasurer--FP Williams, Sgt. at Arms Louis Calabro, President--Aida T. Cordano, Vice President The Principal Purposes of the European/American Issues Forum are: 1. To offer a safe and comfortable place for European-Americans to discuss social, economic, cultural, political and related issues that particularly affect European-Americans in Northern California and beyond. 2. To promote the general welfare of our members. 3. To honor our heritage through celebration, recognition and education. 4. To minimize the effects of racial, ethnic and national origin discrimination and defamation on its members, and to likewise recognize an identical privilege in behalf of all other groups. 5
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well, J2, I pretty well know what you will say in response to my question but I was hoping the person who made the claim would respond. So you really think the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (I am told this family is Jewish by many who know everything) They are Baptists and Episcopalians. Not Jewish sects as far as I know. and power elite hang out on these lists? How many international bankers do you think participate? These people are as oppressed as anybody else by TPTB. I live in Appalachia and see oppression all the time and they have been completely by-passed by every social program that has come down the pike because of thinking like yours and because they are white. Bullshit. Many of the original poverty programs were set up with these people in mind. And what is the cause for their oppression? It's not their color. It's not their religion. What could it be? There has been no outcry allowed for their injustices just because they are white. No special programs for them, nothing. The poorest of the poor that I have ever personally encountered are white, usually very white. They live in houses with some rooms with dirt floors NOW and I do not know any blacks or Hispanics who do this. Well I do. I worked in Harlen and the South Bronx. Anyhow, this isn't a suffering contest. No one should live like this. Their children are malnourished and they do not qualify for welfare because to get that, they would have to give up their home and it is all they have and has been in their family forever. Go a bit farther South and you hit Cajun country, a veritable nest of power and wealth?? Well, they are white, aren't they? I guess they just want to live like that. I do not think that the powerful have made any difference in their exploitation. Then you understand nothing. It is about poverty and oppression and socio-economics and not about skin color. They are equal opportunity oppressors. Attempting to render middle-class whites powerless when they do not have any more power than anybody else is really alienating them. Because there are more of them does not make their difficulties any less valid. Because they do not riot and complain and whine does not mean they have life any easier than any other group. I just don't buy your 'justification' at all and if it is not only OK but commendable for one ethnic group to promote and defend themselves, it is for ALL to do so. Poor whites can't defend themselves as an ethnic group since the White ethnic group is in control. But they can defend themselves as a social or economic class together with other ethnic groups who suffer poverty for the same reason. Capitalism. No one can take seriously a group who whines about the horrors of being White in America. Whites have just as much right to their own culture as any other ethnic group. Absolutely. Reverse discrimination is as morally wrong as direct discrimination and that is all this is and that is what you condoning. I don't condon this. I also think this race-baiting by minorities has gone too far. As for these people being so stupid, please point out to me the more enlightened ethnic organizations. Let me guess. Could the initials be ADL, based on your prior claims to more education and sophistication. These poor whites lack all of that so who has the real advantage? Being in the majority does NOT make any group automatically racist. Not automatically. They have to work at it. J2 ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese How is this racist? How is it different from the NAACP, the ADL or any other organization established for the promotion of an ethnic group? It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof. But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER STRUCTURE and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous, unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed to do. So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a monopoly. That's the difference Amelia. J2 See their statement of purpose below. Is is solely because they are 'white' for what other difference is there? Are you stating
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Pugliese -Original Message- From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, September 09, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese How is this racist? How is it different from the NAACP, the ADL or any other organization established for the promotion of an ethnic group? It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof. But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER STRUCTURE and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous, unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed to do. So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a monopoly. That's the difference Amelia. J2 See their statement of purpose below. Is is solely because they are 'white' for what other difference is there? Are you stating that it is racist for whites to do the identical actions of other races or ethnic groups and that it is only racist for whites to do so? Amelia European American Issues Forum Purpose Statement European/American Issues Forum CW Kuhn, Secretary--M. Piercy, Treasurer--FP Williams, Sgt. at Arms Louis Calabro, President--Aida T. Cordano, Vice President The Principal Purposes of the European/American Issues Forum are: 1. To offer a safe and comfortable place for European-Americans to discuss social, economic, cultural, political and related issues that particularly affect European-Americans in Northern California and beyond. 2. To promote the general welfare of our members. 3. To honor our heritage through celebration, recognition and education. 4. To minimize the effects of racial, ethnic and national origin discrimination and defamation on its members, and to likewise recognize an identical privilege in behalf of all other groups. 5. To educate European-Americans and other cultural and ethnic groups about the richly textured diversity, values, languages, cultures and contributions of European-Americans. 6. To protest unfair and biased descriptions of European-Americans in educational institutions and the communications media. 7. To encourage and support the establishment of similar forums in each city and county of northern California and beyond Adopted April 26,1997 Louis Calabro President EAIF Home A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- And it is well known who invents the 'hate' lists in this country, the ADL. See Project Megiddo for FBI harassment of whites, Christians, etc. Ruby Ridge, Waco, all whites. The fact that this is listed as a hate group does not make it so. It merely means the ADL has probably labeled it as such. And there are other ethnic groups listed here. Neither you nor J2 has stated HOW that makes it racist. Being a majority does not make a person nor an ethnic group racist. I see much more racism on minority lists and from the ADL. Blacks can and are often racist. Whites are just as entitled to promote their own ethnicity as any other group. Censorship and oppression is wrong no matter at whom it is directed, even whites. If you want to eliminate hate groups, let's start with the most powerful by far, the ADL, and work our way down to these for that is the one labeling everybody else. And that same Google search will bring up posts from you on other lists stating that you lurk on lists like this one to 'see what the kooks are up to' for I also found that. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- The Google search engine has a nice feature which let's you see what other URL's link to the page you are looking at. http://www.google.com/search?client=googletq=related:http://www.ea if.org/ I(f you don't call these groups racist, you are even more bamboozled by the Capitalist Class, almost entirely still WASP, btw, than you appear. Advanced SearchPreferencesSearch Tips Searched for pages similar to http://www.eaif.org/.Results 1 - 10 of about 29. Search took 0.37 seconds. EUROPEAN AMERICAN ISSUES FORUM Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.eaif.org/ - 1k - Cached - Similar pages American Renaissance ... New Century Foundation, Dept. A., PO Box 527, Oakton, VA 22124, [EMAIL PROTECTED], (703) 716 0932 Fax, (703) 716 0900 Voice. New Search Feature Now Available! ... Description: A conservative monthly publication. Promotes a variety of white supremist positions. Category: Society Issues ... Racial Supremacy and Hate White www.amren.com/ - 30k - Cached - Similar pages Council of Conservative Citizens PO Box 221683 St. Louis, MO 63122-9957. The True Voice of the American Right. ... C of CC. CHAPTERS. The National Newspape r of The C of CC... ... Features. ... Description: Views itself as the true voice of the American Right. Category: Society Issues ... Racial Supremacy and Hate White www.cofcc.org/ - 41k - Cached - Similar pages NAAWP ... Our job is ... an insult to our intelligence and our right to know and make judgments on facts. ... Description: This is the white rights group started by David Duke. The site contains news and various articles... Category: Society Issues ... Racial Supremacy and Hate White www.naawp.com/ - 11k - Cached - Similar pages American Nationalist Union ... August 2001, Voice of the Real America. No. 174. In this month's big 28-page issue: ... Black on White. ... www.anu.org/ - 7k - Cached - Similar pages untitled www.resistdef.org/welcome2.htm - 1k - Cached - Similar pages FOXNews.com Cincinnati Cop Kills Black Man in Gunfight, AP, Ricky Moore, ... There were no immediate signs of unrest after the shooting. ... www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,30657,00.html - 35k - Cached - Similar pages David Duke's Official Web Site Click here to learn more. Profiles in Hatred, Behind the Mask of Respectability Click here to read. ... Click here for more... Click here to read more. ... Description: Includes news commentary, articles, and stories about white supremacy, hate crimes and race relations. Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.duke.org/ - 15k - Cached - Similar pages National Alliance This Week's Broadcast. Search This Web Site. Time to Blast Our Enemies by Dr. William L. Pierce 08/04/01 ... Description: Called by the ADL as the most dangerous hate group in America. Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.natall.com/ - 17k - Cached - Similar pages WorldNetDaily - A Free Press for a Free People Doh! America West 'loses' kids a 3rd time --San Diego Union-Tribune--. Between The Lines SportsNetDaily Drudge Report ... Description: WorldNetDaily: Daily newspaper and link page edited by veteran newspaper editor Joseph Farah. Conservativ... Category: News Current Events Investigation and Scandals www.worldnetdaily.com/ - 30k - Cached - Similar pages Result Page: 1 2 Advanced SearchPreferencesSearch Tips Searched for pages similar to http://www.eaif.org/.Results 11 - 20 of about 29. Search took 0.44 seconds. America's Race Crisis - and Separatism America's Race Crisis - and Separatism. Policy-studies Home Page. ... Select
[CTRL] Hitchens On Condit/Hacker stole identities of richest Americans
-Caveat Lector- Mike, Since you advocate using Google to find out about things, look at this article which says a Michael Pugliese was charged with stealing $100,000. YOU are the one saying it is absolute proof of things, not me. So does this mean this is true about you or is is some other person with the same name? If it is an error, how can you make the argument that Google is the way to really find out the truth about people or organizations? Because one organization of whites is racist does not mean that they all are. More importantly, they all have the right to exist as long as they are not breaking laws, even ones outside of mainstream. 06/19/2001 - Updated 05:11 PM ET / By Greg Farrell, USA TODAY NEW YORK - It wasn't a very successful case of identity theft, but it appears to rank among the most audacious. Court papers say that 32-year-old restaurant worker and four-time felon Abraham Abdallah, armed with a copy of Forbes magazine's 400 Richest People in America, meticulously collected the Social Security numbers, bank and brokerage account numbers, credit card numbers and mothers' maiden names of 200 of the USA's wealthiest men and women. On his hit list of intended victims, according to court papers: Steven Spielberg, Warren Buffett, Oprah Winfrey, Martha Stewart, George Lucas, Ross Perot and Michael Eisner. Abdallah's goal, police say, was to con financial services providers into giving him access to his victims' millions. His method, according to prosecutors, included stealing their identities, renting boxes in their names at commercial mailbox services and then ordering merchandise charged to their credit cards. By the time he and a suspected accomplice, Michael Pugliese, 47, were arrested on March 7, they had gotten only about $100,000 in goods using identities of some of the intended victims, according to law enforcement sources. But the potential for much greater damage was there, police say: Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs and Bear Stearns were all billed for credit reports they had not requested. That was an indication, according to New York City police, that an identity thief was busy collecting personal information on intended victims. Last December, an e-mail purported to be from Siebel Systems founder Thomas Siebel came to brokerage Merrill Lynch. It asked that $10 million be transferred to an account based offshore. Merrill Lynch contacted Siebel, determined that the request was a hoax and called police. Court papers say Abdallah rented mailboxes at a downtown Manhattan location in the names of Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen and Bear Stearns CEO James Cayne. They say he then ordered merchandise to be delivered to those boxes. What this guy was doing was setting up mailboxes all over the place, says Sandi Spector, a U.S. Postal inspector brought in to monitor the mail drops. Throughout January and February, Spector helped the NYPD keep watch on various mailboxes. But, she said, Abdallah, who worked in a Brooklyn restaurant, would not show up to take delivery. A courier or other intermediary would redirect the merchandise. We were jumping from place to place, Spector recalls. He was everywhere and he was nowhere. We believe he could track delivery of packages over the Internet. Finally, on March 7, the police intercepted a shipment of $25,000 worth of equipment to manufacture and magnetize credit cards. Then, posing as couriers, they delivered the goods to a drop-off location in Brooklyn, where they say they found Pugliese. Abdallah was arrested when he arrived. The pair is now in custody, awaiting arraignment. Abdallah's arrest is not his first brush with the law. Postal inspectors have arrested him four times since 1986 on charges related to mail fraud, for which he was convicted. Front Page News Money Sports Life Tech Weather Shop Terms of service Privacy Policy How to advertise About us © Copyright 2001 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc. http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001-03-20-hacker.htm --- - ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- The Google search engine has a nice feature which let's you see what other URL's link to the page you are looking at. http://www.google.com/search?client=googletq=related:http://www.ea if.org/ I(f you don't call these groups racist, you are even more bamboozled by the Capitalist Class, almost entirely still WASP, btw, than you appear. Advanced SearchPreferencesSearch Tips Searched for pages similar to http://www.eaif.org/.Results 1 - 10 of about 29. Search took 0.37 seconds. EUROPEAN AMERICAN ISSUES FORUM Category: Society Issues Race-Ethnic-Religious Relations Hate Hate Groups www.eaif.org/ - 1k - Cached - Similar pages American
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit 14 year old struck by lightening
-Caveat Lector- The very fact that people are free to and actually are trying to vilify whites as all racists and insisting that they have some major advantage is the reason whites must united to defend themselves against those playing the race card to desperately try to keep hatred alive. Without this hate, Jesse, ADL, SPLC, NAACP and all those are out of business. It is a scam and due process entitles those accused to defend themselves. That requires organization. We still have some semblance of freedom of speech. It is wrong to allow accusations to be made without addressing them and no one ethnic group should be favored over another. It does no good to correct one wrong by creating another. But those doing this know this. It is just the old Jackson scam. Maybe J2 should ask his 'trailer trash' how being white has worked to their advantage so mightily. Now as for the regional attack, this State produces much of the cutting edge technology in science. In addition to the Space and Rocket Center, we have dozens of high tech industries with leading research laboratories. The Huntsville area is known as little Silicon Valley in this regard. Unlike J2, I do not know everything and am not knowledgeable enough to describe their recent accomplishments but among them are being able to 'see' gamma rays for the first time and the laser research on stopping light. It happens to be one of the most innovative areas in the country. UAB hospital is ranked about 6th in research depending on who is doing the ranking and in what area of medicine. We do the best we can with what we have. When you equate poverty in New Jersey with that in Appalachia, not just this State but the whole region, I understand the lack of factual data behind your claims. Only you, yours and those in your immediate vicinity count. So their own ethnic group must defend them and work against defamation of this nature. That requires organization. BTW, I had a wonderful conversation with the person in charge of Minority Student Affairs and this year's medical school class is comprised of over 10% black females. There is no program for disadvantaged whites, Hispanics or Asians. But I am happy to see ANY poor kids getting some help. I am not complaining if it is a bit one-sided because at least it is helping some. Most people contend the Rothschilds are in fact of Jewish descent. I suppose there are no International Bankers who are Jewish and Alan Greenspan is a Baptist. Your tunnel vision is showing. Who really has the power here? The factory working as you call it 'trailer trash' or your other favorite ethnic slur 'rednecks'? I would bet on Greenspan and the banksters. Check those who head all the banks of the Federal Reserve while you are at it. Pentecostals, one and all? Tell another one, J2! As for what does having a heart have to do with football? It is your refusal to accept that a person may have abilities in one area like sports that they cannot translate into another. Because a person can throw a football does not mean they have the potential to become a particle physicists. Let the athlete first get his family out of extreme poverty and then maybe the next generation will be able to contribute in many areas. But you don't seem to really want that! But I understand. Football is a waste of time and the masses do not need any diversions nor entertainment, especially of the variety that takes money away from the only real, legitimate entertainers of this country, Streisand and Spielberg. We can't have that! I am NOT going to waste any more of my posts on the this subject for you have not presented one shred of evidence that the organization I posted the question about is racist. It is because of this exact sort of smear campaign that you conduct that requires whites to organize and repudiate. The problems are economic and not racial or religious. The race card is a tool used by the controlling elite to divide the masses and kindle fighting among themselves. You are doing a fine job for them. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well, J2, I pretty well know what you will say in response to my question but I was hoping the person who made the claim would respond. So you really think the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (I am told this family is Jewish by many who know everything) They are Baptists and Episcopalians. Not Jewish sects as far as I know. and power elite hang out on these lists? How many international bankers do you think participate? These people are as oppressed as anybody else by TPTB. I live in Appalachia and see oppression all the time and they have been completely by-passed by every social program that has come down the pike because of thinking like yours and because they are white
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- At 09:13 AM 9/9/01 -0400, RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Strange...I know a fair number of Jews who have naturally blond hair... I've never heard anyone using the term 'blond' in reference to anyone's ethnic background, but perhaps that's a regional thing; around here, someone who is 'lily white' is referred to as that -- 'lily white'; also just plain 'white', 'WASP', 'vanilla' or 'plain vanilla', sometimes 'whitey' and occasionally 'honky', altho the latter isn't as popular as it once was...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... The term 'blond' is usually used to comment on one's mental acuity, or more accurately the lack thereof...as in she was having a 'blond' moment or he's a typical 'dumb blond'... And in THAT context, the Condits have been VERY 'blond', irregardless of their hair color ;-) lily white, WASP, honkey, etc. are all anti-European American slurs. See: http://www.resistdef.com/ and get educated, and then get sensitive. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- At 06:29 PM 9/9/01 -0400, Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- ive' known blond jews - plenty of them In case you haven't noticed, Cooper is racist. No. I haven't noticed that Cooper is a racist. I have noticed that Nurev Ind. is a libeler, a name-caller, and a defamer. Hence the notion that insulting blonds is equal to insulting white christians. I am a blond Jew. I wasn't insulted by the reference to blond-ism, but that isn't really the same. You weren't insulted because you're not white. Jews are not white. I didn't say that. Adolf Hitler didn't say that. David Duke didn't say that. Hillary's guru and Jewish supremacist Michael Lerner said that in his publication Tikkun. Poor White Guys. The erosion of their power is scary. Life is sure tough these days. True. True. True. And us Poor White Guys know that our disempowerment is premeditated and intended. And we know that people like you rejoice in our disempowerment. And we know that you rejoice in our disempowerment because you are a bigot. Next thing you know someone will try to give blond blue eyed Aryans a bad name. You are suggesting that blond blue eyed people have a bad name? How long have you harbored this negative racist stereotype of blond blue eyed people? Have you sought counseling to overcome this inexplicable and ignorant bigotry. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- At 11:01 AM 9/9/01 -0700, Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese Sorry, Pugsy, we European-Americans don't by your racist guilt-slinging crap. You're a bigot. You're an ignorant bigot. You're a creepy, slimy bigot. You're a self-loathing bigot. You're a craven, white-hating bigot. You're a venom-spewing hate crime. You've called us names for so long, that we've learned how to do it, too. Crawl under your rock and eat some drugs, vermin. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Damian B. Cooper wrote: land and water rights. He's an irrigation ditch for the local interests. His blond family--Carolyn, Cadee and Chad--is off a cornflakes box. A snotty, racist jab from celebrity leftist Christopher Hitchens. Blond is a racist codeword used by the left. The fact that Condit's family is blond, hence NOT black, NOT hispanic, NOT Asian, and NOT Jewish, Strange...I know a fair number of Jews who have naturally blond hair... I've never heard anyone using the term 'blond' in reference to anyone's ethnic background, but perhaps that's a regional thing; around here, someone who is 'lily white' is referred to as that -- 'lily white'; also just plain 'white', 'WASP', 'vanilla' or 'plain vanilla', sometimes 'whitey' and occasionally 'honky', altho the latter isn't as popular as it once was...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... The term 'blond' is usually used to comment on one's mental acuity, or more accurately the lack thereof...as in she was having a 'blond' moment or he's a typical 'dumb blond'... And in THAT context, the Condits have been VERY 'blond', irregardless of their hair color ;-) June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Yup, those Leftists at Judicial Watch! http://www.judicialwatch.org/ BTW, Hitchens has distanced himself from the socialist left he was active in, in the 60's and 70's, specifically the neo-Trotskyists in the International Socialists. http://nuance.dhs.org/lbo-talk/0103/0137.html FEED: Where do you stand politically? HITCHENS: I don't have any identifiable political allegiance at the moment, though I'm barely ready even to say that. My political training and allegiance was with the left, and I'm sure it shows. That's how I learned to argue and what to look for. But that of course came from the particular left tradition that was so involved in a lot of argument within the left, when there was such a thing as an intra-left argument, which there hardly is anymore. FEED: I remember Brian Lamb on C-Span used to ask you, Are you still a socialist? HITCHENS: I was very glad he didn't do that the other day when I went on with him. He used to begin every time we came on. I knew he hoped that one day I'd say, Okay, okay, you win. And I knew that even if that day ever came I wouldn't be glad that it had. It's a question I'm quite happy to postpone at the moment. It doesn't condition anything I do anymore. I would certainly say that. Michael Pugliese A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese How is this racist? How is it different from the NAACP, the ADL or any other organization established for the promotion of an ethnic group? See their statement of purpose below. Is is solely because they are 'white' for what other difference is there? Are you stating that it is racist for whites to do the identical actions of other races or ethnic groups and that it is only racist for whites to do so? Amelia European American Issues Forum Purpose Statement European/American Issues Forum CW Kuhn, Secretary--M. Piercy, Treasurer--FP Williams, Sgt. at Arms Louis Calabro, President--Aida T. Cordano, Vice President The Principal Purposes of the European/American Issues Forum are: 1. To offer a safe and comfortable place for European-Americans to discuss social, economic, cultural, political and related issues that particularly affect European-Americans in Northern California and beyond. 2. To promote the general welfare of our members. 3. To honor our heritage through celebration, recognition and education. 4. To minimize the effects of racial, ethnic and national origin discrimination and defamation on its members, and to likewise recognize an identical privilege in behalf of all other groups. 5. To educate European-Americans and other cultural and ethnic groups about the richly textured diversity, values, languages, cultures and contributions of European-Americans. 6. To protest unfair and biased descriptions of European-Americans in educational institutions and the communications media. 7. To encourage and support the establishment of similar forums in each city and county of northern California and beyond Adopted April 26,1997 Louis Calabro President EAIF Home A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- ive' known blond jews - plenty of them In case you haven't noticed, Cooper is racist. Hence the notion that insulting blonds is equal to insulting white christians. I am a blond Jew. I wasn't insulted by the reference to blond-ism, but that isn't really the same. Poor White Guys. The erosion of their power is scary. Life is sure tough these days. Next thing you know someone will try to give blond blue eyed Aryans a bad name. J2 -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - -- - -- - Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. Henrik Ibsen NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:58:06 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit The fact that Condit's family is blond, hence NOT black, NOT hispanic, NOT Asian, and NOT Jewish, A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit -Caveat Lector- ...someone who is looking for a pseudo- scientific term will sometimes use the term 'Euro-American'... Like these racists? http://www.eaif.org/ Michael Pugliese How is this racist? How is it different from the NAACP, the ADL or any other organization established for the promotion of an ethnic group? It's different because they are the MAJORITY and enjoy the benefits thereof. But more importantly, it's different because THEY ARE THE ELITE POWER STRUCTURE and always have been!!! Get it? This is what makes these groups ridiculous, unless they think in terms of class. Which they are too stupid and brainwashed to do. So to simplify it for you Amelia... when minorities struggle for more power it serves as an equalizer. When White Guys struggle for more power, it's a monopoly. That's the difference Amelia. J2 See their statement of purpose below. Is is solely because they are 'white' for what other difference is there? Are you stating that it is racist for whites to do the identical actions of other races or ethnic groups and that it is only racist for whites to do so? Amelia European American Issues Forum Purpose Statement European/American Issues Forum CW Kuhn, Secretary--M. Piercy, Treasurer--FP Williams, Sgt. at Arms Louis Calabro, President--Aida T. Cordano, Vice President The Principal Purposes of the European/American Issues Forum are: 1. To offer a safe and comfortable place for European-Americans to discuss social, economic, cultural, political and related issues that particularly affect European-Americans in Northern California and beyond. 2. To promote the general welfare of our members. 3. To honor our heritage through celebration, recognition and education. 4. To minimize the effects of racial, ethnic and national origin discrimination and defamation on its members, and to likewise recognize an identical privilege in behalf of all other groups. 5. To educate European-Americans and other cultural and ethnic groups about the richly textured diversity, values, languages, cultures and contributions of European-Americans. 6. To protest unfair and biased descriptions of European-Americans in educational institutions and the communications media. 7. To encourage and support the establishment of similar forums in each city and county of northern California and beyond Adopted April 26,1997 Louis Calabro President EAIF Home A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
http://www.thenation.com/docPrint.mhtml?i=20010917s=hitchens
COLUMN | September 17, 2001
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS
Modesto Man: Minority Report
Modesto, California
"Condit Country" is a bad enough slogan for this agribusiness burg, yet, not
satisfied with it, the city boosters have also erected an arch across the
main street. MODESTO, reads the self-regarding inscription. WATER. WEALTH.
CONTENTMENT. HEALTH. The local Congressman is an embodiment of this
narcissistic style, and of the sort of Babbittry that accompanies it. Condit
is always there, when it comes to being photographed for a peach parade. He's
always there, on the House Agriculture Committee, when it comes to bills on
land and water rights. He's an irrigation ditch for the local interests. His
blond family--Carolyn, Cadee and Chad--is off a cornflakes box. In common
with his sometime friend and patron Governor Gray Davis, Condit will make any
political sellout his own idea. Death penalty--yes. School prayer, public
display of the Ten Commandments, down with flag-burners and (now that you
mention it) let's reveal the names of people with AIDS.
Creeps like Condit are, however, a dime a dozen in the Democratic Party, and
I was in a state of general agreement with Dan Rather when I first set foot
in the district. The disappearance of Chandra Levy had no importance beyond
itself; it was a tragedy only for her family. Condit may have flirted with
obstruction of justice by wasting the time of the DC police, and with
suborning perjury in asking Anne Marie Smith to sign a false affidavit, but
this was not on the Clinton scale of abuse of power. Condit hadn't used the
forces of the state or mobilized large sums of public money in his battle to
insulate himself from unwelcome inquiries. What he has done has at least been
done on his own dime.
Thus I reasoned, idly, until I got to the corner of 16th and H streets
downtown, where Condit has his headquarters. There wasn't much in the window,
except a banal poster enjoining one and all to say no to hate crimes and two
other exhibits. The first of these was a missing poster for Levy, who, as is
now notorious, disappeared a whole continent away in Washington and is
unlikely to be lurking in the greater Modesto area. The second was a missing
poster for a local girl named Dena Raley, who has vanished in what the
authorities call "suspicious circumstances." I asked an experienced local if
Congressman Condit has always kindly displayed the posters for missing
females in his district office window. "Oh no," came the reply. "That's a new
thing."
I was at once seized with a powerful feeling of disgust. Condit and his team
of lawyers and publicists have been saying unctuously for some time that they
so much hope Chandra Levy hasn't gone the way of all those other girls who go
missing. "I pray that she has not met the same fate," as Condit himself
piously phrased it in a letter to his constituents. The not-so-subtle message
is that life is unfair, whaddaya gonna do and don't look at me. But to use
the posters of the missing as an accessory in this fashion is to take
cynicism a stage further. I actually live in a place more or less equidistant
between Levy's old apartment in Dupont Circle and Condit's oddly located pad
in Adams Morgan, and I can tell you that the disappearance of single females
is not as everyday an occurrence as some would have you think. I can also
tell you that the Washington Police Department is a laughingstock, as much
among criminals as among the law-abiding. It never called Dr. Levy back after
he rang to report his daughter missing in the first place, and when it says
it has no suspect in the case it really, really means it. It's a police
department that doesn't suspect anybody, and has for these many years
employed rather more crooks than it has managed to apprehend.
The following night I watched Condit himself on TV. Considering that our
craven mass media had actually allowed him to choose a lenient and
unqualified interviewer, I thought that his performance was not so much
disastrous from a PR point of view (the Dick Gephardt "take" on the matter)
as calamitous from a moral one. How incredible that he could say, not once
but several times, that in refusing to clarify the real nature of their
relationship he was honoring "a specific request from the Levy family," who
had done no more than tell another TV station that they were more concerned
with recovering their daughter than with discovering the details. How
contemptible! A man who will do this, and plainly rehearse to do it with the
assistance of the degraded professions of attorney and media adviser, can be
held to be capable of pretty much anything. The squalor and shadiness of his
other responses--alluding to Ms. Levy repeatedly in the past tense, making
out her family to be liars, answering questions he wasn't asked, resorting to
the word "we" when he meant "I" ("we've taken a polygraph test," for Christ's
sake) and blaming his
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- At 05:43 PM 9/8/01 -0400, William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.thenation.com/docPrint.mhtml?i=20010917s=hitchenshttp://www. thenation.com/docPrint.mhtml?i=20010917s=hitchens COLUMN | September 17, 2001 CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS Modesto Man: Minority Report Modesto, California land and water rights. He's an irrigation ditch for the local interests. His blond family--Carolyn, Cadee and Chad--is off a cornflakes box. A snotty, racist jab from celebrity leftist Christopher Hitchens. Blond is a racist codeword used by the left. The fact that Condit's family is blond, hence NOT black, NOT hispanic, NOT Asian, and NOT Jewish, is the left's common but oblique way of telegraphing that Condit is not a sympathetic minority token, but an unsympathetic white token, and hence, undoubtedly a beneficiary of white skin privilege and likely a closet white supremacist. The left is putting out the word that Condit is too white to be in Congress, and undoubtedly, his district will now have to be represented by a non-white, meaning probably a left wing pro-Hispanic activist. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 9/8/01 6:57:43 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Blond" is a racist codeword used by the left. The fact that Condit's family is "blond", hence NOT black, NOT hispanic, NOT Asian, and NOT Jewish, is the left's common but oblique way of telegraphing that Condit is not a sympathetic minority token, but an unsympathetic "white" token, and hence, undoubtedly a beneficiary of "white skin privilege" and likely a closet "white supremacist". You're really reaching!! Nice try though... Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit
-Caveat Lector- ive' known blond jews - plenty of them -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. Henrik Ibsen NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 16:58:06 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hitchens On Condit The fact that Condit's family is blond, hence NOT black, NOT hispanic, NOT Asian, and NOT Jewish, A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
