Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Tenorlove" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican -Caveat Lector- --- tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Interesting theory that Bill. Could it be that when he says they are "Lizards" it is a metaphor used to include them all in one group and that he dare not name it? Like snake in the grass, maybe? It's clear now, and has been for a long time for some us, that for many of the loony Ickeites, the term Reptilian"'PREDATORS" is a code word for Jew, I quote from one of my posts below: [ Here's a sample, from an anti-Semitic bigot who is given credit in Ickes book "The Biggest Secret," as an "editor," one Ivan Fraser, who expressed the Ickeites style of sentiment on a public forum. Here's a couple of samples of this madman's racial hatred, and crass banality, quote: "The predators use the Jews as their main tools. Many Jews are vampires and suck in the energy fields of those around them. People who buy houses once belonging to certain Jews find they have taken on a living hell. Those that try to associate with Jews find they are not welcome." Further on, this Fraser "editor" of Icke writes about his hated Jews: "Recognise them for what they are, the philosophy for what it is and don't borrow their money, eat their produce, support their art, buy into their politics, etc. Then they will have no host. Let them ghettoise themselves if they want to and separate themselves. But be aware that unless they change their beliefs they will always hate you and seek to own you and your property and desire to see you destroyed." ] This misanthropic throwback to the Dark Ages is not an uncommon sentiment from devotees of the Icke cult. As far as the Vatican and Satanism is concerned, the term Satanism, like many others, comes in the form a chameleon. It means various things to different users. In the Reformation Era, the Roman papacy was identified as the system of "Antichrist," and the very "seat," or throne of Satan by Reformation scholars. It's rituals were identified as Witchcraft, the Catholic "Mass," which was the height of its "magic," was seen as Satanic, and thoroughly pagan in origin. In the "Mass, " according to THE very LAW of the papal institution, the Vatican to this day sacrifices its "god" daily upon an alter, where its "priests" EAT, according to the LAW, the very "FLESH," and DRINK, the LITERAL "BLOOD," of their deity. This open ritual cannibalism, and superstition is practiced openly without a qualm of conscience by Western society. It is claimed that 49% of the US population is Roman catholic. One then assumes that at least scores of millions of Americans practice this superstition, which Reformation scholars viewed as witchcraft and Satanism. Aside from that, the number of children abused and ruined by the perverse activity of Roman Catholic priests is well attested. In addition, the propaganda value of "Satanism," and Demonisation, is immense, and the Vatican has profited from such considerably in the past, as it does today in order to drive the superstitious into its supposed "safe haven" domain. In this, it employs both a religious and a secularised form for its work, whether such is a horned, hoofed figurine, ghosts, demons, 'godless' Communism - or technocratic evil "aliens," so on and so forth. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theor
[CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's clear now, and has been for a long time for some us, that for many ofthe loony Ickeites, the term Reptilian"'PREDATORS" is a code word for Jew, Iquote from one of my posts below: Now, who is a lunatic ? For anybody who has actually read David Ickes "The Biggest Secret," it is obvious, that reptilian means reptilian,and the above statement is rubbish. But of course, the pro-reptilian lobby would be happy, if Icke could be labelled anti-jewish. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But of course, the pro-reptilian lobby would be happy, if Icke could be labelled anti-jewish. Actually, he strikes me as anti-everything. Rather depressing, IMO. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- --- tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Interesting theory that Bill. Could it be that when he says they are "Lizards" it is a metaphor used to include them all in one group and that he dare not name it? Like snake in the grass, maybe? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/00 11:51:11 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Experiencers/witnesses are a very good source, in my opinion. From what I gather out there, That is understandable either way, i.e., I would think that you would be gathering the same conclusions whether it really was going on, or not...right? I mean, just cuz you have not observed any credible hearsay testimony [funny, "credible hearsay testimony of ppl shape shifting into reptiles?" Oxymoron? Just the mention of something like this seems to discredit the person that is testifying about it, no matter HOW CREDIBLE the person WAS TO THIS POINT IN THEIR LIFE] doesn't mean it ain't "happening." Survivors risk loss of credibility when they reveal any aspect of their experience. Many have taken a path of revealing all they know/remember as part of the risk involved in healing. All I'm saying is I have never heard this, and I do think what survivors are already revealing is enough for us to focus on. We don't need to focus on the weirder aspects at least until we have a handle on the more established aspects. If we do, we're not trying to solve anything, we're just dancing around the issues. And when a survivor speaks of his/her OWN experiences, it is NOT hearsay, it is eyewitness testimony. Some of the children in the McMartin case told of seeing flying circus elephants and other bizarre things. These accounts reduced their credibility greatly to many. Drugs or alcohol combined with a little virtual reality or even holograms could account for such 'sightings'. Perhaps it is as Kris suspects - that an illusion via drugs and/or electronic means is being created for some survivors and with that in place, they are seeing Lizard people. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- By its very nature the "recovered" memories of ritual abuse survivors should be suspect. It is apparent that there is something going on which needs to be exposed, but the idea of shapeshifting lizards and alien, as well as other "entities" is, in my opinion, a bunch of hooey, as Samantha states here. Whether memories are implanted in order to cover up for those involved or just to sow confusion and cause credibility problems the end is the same, the stories sound rediculous when they go down this road. On Tue, 10 October 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/00 2:38:34 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the sensation is the claim of secret satanic mass being conducted in the Vatican, where particpants wear a sort of Ku Klux Klan robe, and are naked under that. This is similar to the satanic shapeshifter ceremonies David Icke has reported in "The Biggest Secret." I've had personal contact with about twenty survivors of satanic ritual abuse, long-term internet contact with 300 or more, and read every book by survivors and therapists I've been able to find and/or afford. I've never heard shape-shifting accounts by any survivor except one - Cathy O'Brien in "Trance-formation of America." It's already been established that Mark what's-his-name is a dubious intel-connected character at best. I've heard accounts of strange spiritual manifestations that to survivors are often only explainable in terms of demons or disembodies spirits. No Shape-Shifting Lizard People accounts yet. I think this whole shape-shifting lizard crap trivializes the very real mind-boggling torture that is actually occurring out there. It takes the focus off the very human events that are occurring and takes the focus off the very real victims. It creates a carnival atmosphere around grave occurances, which is probably exactly what it is intended to do. People hear Icke's shape-shifting reptilian stories, giggle, and then dismiss the whole phenomenon of ritualized torture of children out of hand. This sounds like Standard Psyop Disinfo Rule # 2. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- Interesting theory that Bill. Could it be that when he says they are "Lizards" it is a metaphor used to include them all in one group and that he dare not name it? I don't know, I just think he is a sensationalist and much of his stuff is a bunch of crap. On Tue, 10 October 2000, William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/00 6:44:09 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People hear Icke's shape-shifting reptilian stories, giggle, and then dismiss the whole phenomenon of ritualized torture of children out of hand. This sounds like Standard Psyop Disinfo I believe it's included in his works to cause exactly the response you claim...his books are chock full of much serious scholarship...so much so in fact that he could be considered a threat by the powers that (in secret) be...by including this theory he makes himself look silly to those who are too lazy or closed-minded to look further and thereby takes some heat off himself. I don't think he wants to end up another Danny Casalaro or Jim Keith! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- I believe Kris has a better take on this. Just as I believe that if people really see a physical Lizard being or an alien for that matter it is FAKE. Most of the time it is probably an induced memory and an experience, not a real event. It is always done to subvert and destroy credibility. On Tue, 10 October 2000, Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/00 5:36:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From what I gather out there, the lizard thing just ain't happening. MHO, is that is a meme of mudding, confusion and deflection and when done at all it is electronical illusion aided with drugs and other "ritual trappings" of "magic.". Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/00 2:38:34 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the sensation is the claim of secret satanic mass being conducted in the Vatican, where particpants wear a sort of Ku Klux Klan robe, and are naked under that. This is similar to the satanic shapeshifter ceremonies David Icke has reported in "The Biggest Secret." I've had personal contact with about twenty survivors of satanic ritual abuse, long-term internet contact with 300 or more, and read every book by survivors and therapists I've been able to find and/or afford. I've never heard shape-shifting accounts by any survivor except one - Cathy O'Brien in "Trance-formation of America." It's already been established that Mark what's-his-name is a dubious intel-connected character at best. I've heard accounts of strange spiritual manifestations that to survivors are often only explainable in terms of demons or disembodies spirits. No Shape-Shifting Lizard People accounts yet. I think this whole shape-shifting lizard crap trivializes the very real mind-boggling torture that is actually occurring out there. It takes the focus off the very human events that are occurring and takes the focus off the very real victims. It creates a carnival atmosphere around grave occurances, which is probably exactly what it is intended to do. People hear Icke's shape-shifting reptilian stories, giggle, and then dismiss the whole phenomenon of ritualized torture of children out of hand. This sounds like Standard Psyop Disinfo Rule # 2. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/00 6:44:09 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People hear Icke's shape-shifting reptilian stories, giggle, and then dismiss the whole phenomenon of ritualized torture of children out of hand. This sounds like Standard Psyop Disinfo I believe it's included in his works to cause exactly the response you claim...his books are chock full of much serious scholarship...so much so in fact that he could be considered a threat by the powers that (in secret) be...by including this theory he makes himself look silly to those who are too lazy or closed-minded to look further and thereby takes some heat off himself. I don't think he wants to end up another Danny Casalaro or Jim Keith! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/00 6:50:43 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe it's included in his works to cause exactly the response you claim...his books are chock full of much serious scholarship...so much so in fact that he could be considered a threat by the powers that (in secret) be...by including this theory he makes himself look silly to those who are too lazy or closed-minded to look further and thereby takes some heat off himself. I don't think he wants to end up another Danny Casalaro or Jim Keith! Bill. But Bill, all disinfo carries much real info. If Icke uses the Lizard Thing to take the heat off, then it has a side-consequence that is so base and low it negates any assistance he might be providing, in my opinion. One simply cannot trivialize child-torture for any reason and still ride a White Horse. I can't say for certain that Icke is a disinfo agent. I found his own account of how he rose from the soccer fields to a high level broadcasting job to be shallow, superficial and therefore dubious. I only know about a fraction of what Icke writes about. I've listened to him. He seems sincere and persuasive in many respects. I don't know for a fact that the Lizard thing is untrue. What I don't understand is why in ten years of intense survivor contact and intense study, I haven't heard this from survivors or therapists. Experiencers/witnesses are a very good source, in my opinion. From what I gather out there, the lizard thing just ain't happening. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/00 5:36:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From what I gather out there, the lizard thing just ain't happening. MHO, is that is a meme of mudding, confusion and deflection and when done at all it is electronical illusion aided with drugs and other "ritual trappings" of "magic.". Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Samantha L. wrote: job to be shallow, superficial and therefore dubious. I only know about a fraction of what Icke writes about. He really was a great researcher, "before he flipped out several years back." And THAT just may be evidence that at least some of what he claims is real. This kind of thing seems to often happen to heretofore "credible ppl" when they try to tell things the Evilarchy doesn't want discussed. Ppl that try seem to always end up "gone" in one way or another, e.g., suicided, cardiac arrested, etc., etc., or they often self destruct, i.e., alone they destroy their own life-time-built credibility and reputation shortly after they start talking about strange stuff, totally out of character for ppl like this STUFF, e.g., Courtney Brown, Ed Dames, William Cooper, et al. When ever I see this latter scenario occurring, I always ask myself what might it have been that the Evilarchy threatened this heretofore credible person with in order to make them kill off their own credibility? His/her life? The well being of their family? I've listened to him. He seems sincere and persuasive in many respects. I don't know for a fact that the Lizard thing is untrue. What I don't understand is why in ten years of intense survivor contact and intense study, I haven't heard this from survivors or therapists. Are you kiddin'me? That would be like hitting the lotto! IF there really is such bizarre shape shifting stuff going on, it seems to me that NO ONE that ever witnessed "the real deal" would EVER live to tell of it. Not this week! Experiencers/witnesses are a very good source, in my opinion. From what I gather out there, That is understandable either way, i.e., I would think that you would be gathering the same conclusions whether it really was going on, or not...right? I mean, just cuz you have not observed any credible hearsay testimony [funny, "credible hearsay testimony of ppl shape shifting into reptiles?" Oxymoron? Just the mention of something like this seems to discredit the person that is testifying about it, no matter HOW CREDIBLE the person WAS TO THIS POINT IN THEIR LIFE] doesn't mean it ain't "happening." ... the lizard thing just ain't happening. Samantha Best, Mike = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Kris Millegan wrote: From what I gather out there, the lizard thing just ain't happening. MHO, is that is a meme of mudding, confusion and deflection and when done at all it is electronical illusion aided with drugs and other "ritual trappings" of "magic.". Who's to say that "majic" can not be magic, i.e., REAL goddam magic? To me, magic can be defined as illusion, OR the tapping into REAL "other realms," real but outside the current scientific paradigm...the places/dimensions of "real gods" [I define "real gods" as sentient beings that have advanced tech-wise to the point of no longer being bound by the requirement for a corporeal biological need, beings that can travel space, time, and dimensions, at will, without a vehicle or craft...versus plain ol'"gods," as in what most ppl think of when contemplating ET visitors, i.e., simply more advanced STILL BIOLOGICALLY BOUND beings are NOT "real gods"]. Heavy, Babeee;-) = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
