Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/22/1999 6:05:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I shouldnt reveal this secret, but what do you think the witches were making in Macbeth, but the occult secret recipe for making the living Haggis, the terror of the hills, the fear of the scotsmen in their kilts. >> Well of course, one should never wear kilts around the living Haggis. You know how they are. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- I shouldnt reveal this secret, but what do you think the witches were making in Macbeth, but the occult secret recipe for making the living Haggis, the terror of the hills, the fear of the scotsmen in their kilts. anyway between jewish cheesburgers and the malevolent haggiss are we a conspiracy group of a food circle (and dont forget the theological implications of the haggis) John -Original Message- From: Prudence L. Kuhn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 September 1999 04:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Smyrna -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/17/1999 1:35:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Just remember: a haggis in the hand is worth two in the bush... (Actually, a haggis in the hand is extremely messy!) >> Well if you hold it gently, it won't mind too much. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/17/1999 1:35:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Just remember: a haggis in the hand is worth two in the bush... (Actually, a haggis in the hand is extremely messy!) >> Well if you hold it gently, it won't mind too much. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- Just remember: a haggis in the hand is worth two in the bush... (Actually, a haggis in the hand is extremely messy!) > -Original Message- > From: Prudence L. Kuhn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 4:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Smyrna > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 09/16/1999 2:54:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << > please take all my comments on food really seriusly as I am very > sensitive > to what I eat. >> > > I do. I'm particularly concerned about the vicious haggis. Prudy > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/16/1999 2:54:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << please take all my comments on food really seriusly as I am very sensitive to what I eat. >> I do. I'm particularly concerned about the vicious haggis. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- I hold to the firm scientifically provable that you can judge all nations by the food. Americans you can write off because all they ever produced are hamburgers. And the brazilians love black beans that show their sub conscious racism and the japanese eat whales- so you cant trust them and the yorkshire people are so stingy that they give you their puddings before the meal so that you you think they are finished so that you leave the table. and the turks are terrible because they put to much salt on their food. the only nation you can trust is the english,because their food is so terrible they must have somethig good about them(and please remember to shoot the next haggis you see as they are really viscious. please take all my comments on food really seriusly as I am very sensitive to what I eat. John -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/13/1999 3:15:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Re Ari Onasis- rather he fled the genocide(1922) that the Turks committed- so after killing the armenians, the finished off the greeks for dessert. Smyrna was a totally Greek city until that time. PS I love chinese,& japanese food but the food in Izmir is among the worst I have evert tasted, but I was only there as a tourist The turks are now enjoying their cheese Kurds now. >> Ari Onassis was an interesting person. If you remember he saved his father by bargaining with one of the Turkish commanders. I never thought much of people who just made a lot of money, because if you are ruthless and lucky, it's pretty much possible, but Onassis should be respected for the way he saved his father. To understand about the Greeks in Istanbul and Izmir, you must read a little history. Greeks and Orthodox they were, but they were considered citizens of Turkey. There is only one crime that the Turks truly cannot forgive. That is treason. The British were advancing, and the Greeks were more than pleased and were flying the British flag. We all know the results. As for the Kurds. They are a wonderful people (or at least the ones I knew were). They want their own country. Everyone understands that, and they will struggle forever to get it. But just for now they are Turks, and if you want to see how Turkish they can become, scratch them with a Greek. As for the food, those who do not like Greek/Turkish food are welcome to their opinion. I happen to like it very much. I also like Chinese, Japanese and Korean food. In fact I can't think right off of a country that doesn't have some food, I would love to have for dinner. I also can't think right off of a country that doesn't have some food I never want to eat again. We all have our prejudices. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/13/1999 3:15:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Re Ari Onasis- rather he fled the genocide(1922) that the Turks committed- so after killing the armenians, the finished off the greeks for dessert. Smyrna was a totally Greek city until that time. PS I love chinese,& japanese food but the food in Izmir is among the worst I have evert tasted, but I was only there as a tourist The turks are now enjoying their cheese Kurds now. >> Ari Onassis was an interesting person. If you remember he saved his father by bargaining with one of the Turkish commanders. I never thought much of people who just made a lot of money, because if you are ruthless and lucky, it's pretty much possible, but Onassis should be respected for the way he saved his father. To understand about the Greeks in Istanbul and Izmir, you must read a little history. Greeks and Orthodox they were, but they were considered citizens of Turkey. There is only one crime that the Turks truly cannot forgive. That is treason. The British were advancing, and the Greeks were more than pleased and were flying the British flag. We all know the results. As for the Kurds. They are a wonderful people (or at least the ones I knew were). They want their own country. Everyone understands that, and they will struggle forever to get it. But just for now they are Turks, and if you want to see how Turkish they can become, scratch them with a Greek. As for the food, those who do not like Greek/Turkish food are welcome to their opinion. I happen to like it very much. I also like Chinese, Japanese and Korean food. In fact I can't think right off of a country that doesn't have some food, I would love to have for dinner. I also can't think right off of a country that doesn't have some food I never want to eat again. We all have our prejudices. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- Re Ari Onasis- rather he fled the genocide(1922) that the Turks committed- so after killing the armenians, the finished off the greeks for dessert. Smyrna was a totally Greek city until that time. PS I love chinese,& japanese food but the food in Izmir is among the worst I have evert tasted, but I was only there as a tourist The turks are now enjoying their cheese Kurds now. In a message dated 09/11/1999 5:15:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >Smyrna Ya know, that Symrna in Turkey, a trading port is where Americans first acquired opium, as their own merchant-traders, and then smuggled to China. China made illegal in 1729. Didn't work. Symrna is also where Ari Onasis came from. It is relatively close to the main poppy-growing region, Afron-Kara-Hisar-meaning Opium Black Castle. >> Smyrna became Ismir, in case any of you are looking for it on the map. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- You're right about the USAF enlisted having a hard time getting along. Been there; done that. NATO is the usual military organization. I was there when Turkey was under martial law, but we were as happy with the martial law as the Turks were. It hadn't made life difficult for us, but if a Turk went to the store to buy bread, no one knew if he would make it back alive. Ecevet and Demerol were doing their usual bombastic yada, and that general taking over was the best thing that ever happened. Where we were and while we were there, the only times Americans had a real problem, it was discovered that they were trying to date Turkish girls (It's not done that way over there) or were buying or selling drugs. You're right about them not putting anything about that in the papers (ours at least). I guess you can always find a drug dealer (there or here) if you're looking. Very few Turks seemed to use drugs, but they certainly didn't mind making money off of anyone who did. I don't know how they felt about hashish. It's been around the middle east and used in the middle east for centuries. Opium has always been grown there, but no Turk I ever heard of was stupid enough to use it. It was a cash crop, sold to foreigners who apparently knew no better. We probably paid more for our apartment too, but then we had a lot more money. I go along with you regarding the electricity and heat. It's not like the U.S. We usually had the electricity, but Turks aren't really sure anyone needs heat I guess. One thing I've always been grateful for was being taught the method to get really clean by using one large bucket of water. That should help in Y2K situations if they every develop. Anyway, I'd love to be where I could have tea in Swan Park this afternoon. and maybe have guvech and ekmek for dinner. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- Assassin: n. [F. (cf. it. assassino) fr. Ar 'hashishin one who has drunk of the hashish. Under its influence the Assassins of the East, followeres of the Sheikh al-Jabal (Old Man of the Mountain) were said to commit the murders required by their chief.]...Websters 1902 Bob Stokes wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 99-09-11 15:51:52 EDT, you write: > > << < >Smyrna >Ya know, that Symrna in Turkey, a trading port is where Americans first > acquired opium, as their own merchant-traders, and then smuggled to China. > China made illegal in 1729. Didn't work. Symrna is also where Ari Onasis > came from. It is relatively close to the main poppy-growing region, > Afron-Kara-Hisarmeaning Opium Black Castle. >> > > Smyrna became Ismir, in case any of you are looking for it on the map. Prudy > >> > The correct spelling is Izmir, I know, I spent two years in that > hellhole, and yes drugs are still a prevalent part of the culture there, > although hash seems to be the popular drug of choice in the tea houses. > > Regards, > Bob Stokes > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-11 16:52:01 EDT, you write: << Ok, I must ask, if I may, what and when were you two doing in Turkey? >> Defending the country yeah, right! Bob DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-11 16:17:34 EDT, you write: << You must have been around a really corrupt bunch. I spent nine years in Turkey. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I visited Izmir a number of times, and the popular drug of choice in the tea houses seemed to be tea. I'm sorry you were forced to spend so much time in a place you disliked so much. Prudy >> As a lower enlisted person in the USAF living any where is hard due to the low wages. Even worse, I was farmed out to NATO (Not Able To Operate). I was also there at a time when Turkey was under martial law. Americans, maybe American military were not very well liked to say the least. I paid five times more than my Turkish neighbors for the same apartment. Several fire bombings occurred in apartments occupied by Americans, of course this was never reported by the press to people in the States, nor were the ambushes. We only got heat for about two hours during the day and another two hours at night and were lucky to get electricity long enough to wash a load of clothes. The tea houses on the bay only served tea and a few tasty snacks, but one block off the bay hash was readily available ... according to people I worked with, I did not use drugs, but was offered drugs most of the time I entered one of the '57 Chevy taxicabs. I heard it is very different there now, I was there nearly twenty years ago. At least I got an assignment to Hawaii when I left there, but two years in Turkey was not worth three years in Hawaii. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/11/1999 4:52:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Ok, I must ask, if I may, what and when were you two doing in Turkey? >> I don't know about this other guy, but my husband and I were working for a defense contractor, having a lot of fun getting to know Turkey and the Turks and eating a lot of wonderful food. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smyrna
-Caveat Lector- Ok, I must ask, if I may, what and when were you two doing in Turkey? Om k In a message dated 9/11/99 12:17:34 PM, you wrote: > ><< Smyrna became Ismir, in case any of you are looking for it on the map. >Prudy > >> > The correct spelling is Izmir, I know, I spent two years in that > hellhole, and yes drugs are still a prevalent part of the culture there, > although hash seems to be the popular drug of choice in the tea houses. >> > >You must have been around a really corrupt bunch. I spent nine years in >Turkey. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I visited Izmir a number of times, and the >popular drug of choice in the tea houses seemed to be tea. I'm sorry you >were forced to spend so much time in a place you disliked so much. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/11/1999 4:09:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Smyrna became Ismir, in case any of you are looking for it on the map. Prudy >> The correct spelling is Izmir, I know, I spent two years in that hellhole, and yes drugs are still a prevalent part of the culture there, although hash seems to be the popular drug of choice in the tea houses. >> You must have been around a really corrupt bunch. I spent nine years in Turkey. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I visited Izmir a number of times, and the popular drug of choice in the tea houses seemed to be tea. I'm sorry you were forced to spend so much time in a place you disliked so much. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-09-11 15:51:52 EDT, you write: << < >Smyrna Ya know, that Symrna in Turkey, a trading port is where Americans first acquired opium, as their own merchant-traders, and then smuggled to China. China made illegal in 1729. Didn't work. Symrna is also where Ari Onasis came from. It is relatively close to the main poppy-growing region, Afron-Kara-Hisarmeaning Opium Black Castle. >> Smyrna became Ismir, in case any of you are looking for it on the map. Prudy >> The correct spelling is Izmir, I know, I spent two years in that hellhole, and yes drugs are still a prevalent part of the culture there, although hash seems to be the popular drug of choice in the tea houses. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/11/1999 5:15:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >Smyrna Ya know, that Symrna in Turkey, a trading port is where Americans first acquired opium, as their own merchant-traders, and then smuggled to China. China made illegal in 1729. Didn't work. Symrna is also where Ari Onasis came from. It is relatively close to the main poppy-growing region, Afron-Kara-Hisarmeaning Opium Black Castle. >> Smyrna became Ismir, in case any of you are looking for it on the map. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/11/99 12:24:26 AM, you wrote: >Smyrna Ya know, that Symrna in Turkey, a trading port is where Americans first acquired opium, as their own merchant-traders, and then smuggled to China. China made illegal in 1729. Didn't work. Symrna is also where Ari Onasis came from. It is relatively close to the main poppy-growing region, Afron-Kara-Hisarmeaning Opium Black Castle. Om K DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- http://www.humboldt1.com/~jerem/ Smyrna NOTHING FANCY, JUST UNUSUAL INFORMATION WITH UNIQUE COMMENTARY Gordon Ginn, Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ Leftists (Marxists) - Democrat Party & Marxism - What Secret Organization Has Infiltrated Government? TRUTH - LITERATURE TV: The Killing Machine - The Establishment Media - Apologize to House Managers End Justifies the Means - Eschatology & Israel - Hollywood & hypnosis ___ Smyrna appreciates the Internet where free expression is available, where we can escape the hierarchical tyranny of television and the elite ownership of the establishment's print media. We call them the Unreachable, Untouchable and Unaccountable. Although the Internet contains an enormous amount of trash, one can at least find a wide selection of different views. The mass media do not offer such variety. They continually mold national opinion by conscious and subconscious impressions, and then use that contrived mind-set in polls to further convince the public of a national will. No individual among the targeted masses knows whether or not the polls are correct, but they routinely believe they are because their information is obtained largely from TV. With such a system an entire nation can be led collectively as if it had a ring in its nose. The Internet circumvents that with diversity. It may be confusing but at least it offers alternatives to Orwellian Newspeak. TRUTH There are three conceptions as to what constitutes truth: Agreement of thought and reality; eventual verification; and consistency of thought with itself. (Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition.) THE ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA No one has a corner on the market of truth. The mass media do not have a good track record in the "Department of Truth". Their owners and controllers generally possess a cultural bent that falls into the liberal-to-left wing category. For practical purposes we can call them Marxists, although this term is not precisely suitable for every individual. To illustrate this, their minions repeatedly refer to the "right wing extremists" as reactionary and evil. But they seldom mention the left wing. By definition, if a right wing exists there must be a left wing. Their failure to account for a left wing exposes their bias, revealing that they constitute the left wing but do not wish to be known as such. Left vs. Right If we were to be taken in by the idea that Marxism is left wing and fascism is right wing, would there be a center? If so, what would we call it? No one refers to a center wing; the pseudo- liberals simply use the term "moderates", which suggests the center. This is misleading. It might be helpful to visualize the political spectrum as a straight line, with the left end representing left wingers and the right end the right wingers. Centrists would, obviously, be at the center of the line. In the liberal view Marxists would be at the extreme left and fascists at the extreme right. But since both Marxists and fascists advocate very strong central governments (tyrannical, if you please), they are similar in nature and must be allocated the extreme left. The extreme right would be occupied by anarchists because little or no government would exist. This leaves the center of the line for those who want government to be bound by the chains of the Constitution. They want maximum liberty under law. They are not moderates, centrists nor right wingers. They are Constitutionists. Both Marxists and fascists are socialists because of their desire for strong centralized government with lots of "entitlement" programs, with a sort of popular opinion vote for issues and candidates. They like public opinion polls and the popular vote, whereas Constitutionists believe in equality under law. In the recent impeachment proceedings against President Bill Clinton, it was clearly shown by pseudo-liberals, left wing politicians and the establishment media that public opinion polls should be the controlling factor in dealing with Clinton. This is socialist thinking; it comes not from moderates but from Marxist types. And because they dominate the establishment media the dumbed-down masses seem to be convinced of the rightness of the majority. But the media created that ill-fated, so-called majority. When Smyrna uses the word media, we include entertainment that originates primarily in Hollywood. Unfortunately, appealing to the Constitution does not solve the problem. Why? Because pseudo-liberals and leftists haul out their casuistic big guns and proceed to totally confuse the uninformed. They argue over the meaning of words in the Constitution and the intent of the founding fathers. This is what happened in the impeachment trial of Clinton, and a similar strategy was implemented in the O.J. Simpson
