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-Caveat Lector- What do 'conflict diamonds' have to do with the subject line of the post, Dangers of the New Age movement...? June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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So here it is - Jihud and Diamons are forever; now it took one of our Ohio representatives to start the investigation. Maybe now we will know where and why Israel has all these diamonds they do not mine; however, it should be noted this KGB plant in the FBI without a doubt is no Catholic he was about as Catholic as that Japanese Sharpshooter..nice fronts. And of course the Catholic Church had been infiltrated way back in 1960 - but the same murderers - this same secret society that murdered JFK, Lincoln, and the Czar - where they getting all the diamonds? Saba I look at McVeigh and I think he is about as Scotch as say a McHugh in disguise? The name game..but this FBI Agent working for KGB/Mossad paid in diamonds? NBC News NEW YORK, July 1 For centuries, diamonds have been a symbol of love. But in some parts of the world, they've become an instrument of war. They're called conflict diamonds sold to pay for armies terrorizing some of the poorest people on earth. Human rights groups have been trying to halt the trade, and many jewelers will tell you they try not to buy or sell conflict diamonds. Should you believe them? Dr. Bob Arnot reports. IF YOU HAVE a glass of wine tonight, you're going to know exactly where that bottle of wine came from. Why shouldn't you know where that diamond is coming from? says Rep. Tony Hall, D-Ohio. Almost anything you buy running shoes, furniture, groceries comes with a label telling you where it's from. Why not diamonds perhaps one of the most expensive items you'll ever buy? There's no paper trail, says Hall. There's no system to stop conflict diamonds. Conflict diamonds are diamonds that are financing wars in Africa and costing millions of innocent people their lives and limbs. Hall says the only way to stop this bloodshed is to stop buying diamonds from these war zones. You should ask the question, 'Where is this diamond from?' says Hall. If that jeweler says, 'I don't know,' don't buy a diamond there until he finds out. But how do you find out? Right now, after a diamond is cut and polished, there's no way to know. For the past three years, Hall has pushed legislation so consumers can make sure the diamonds they are buying are not linked to human suffering. In Sierra Leone, rebels funded by diamond profits have waged a campaign of terror, hacking off the limbs of civilians. In Angola, again, diamonds are paying for weapons in fighting that has driven millions of people from their homes. And the biggest losses are in the Congo it's estimated that in the last three years, 2.5 million people have lost their lives because armies are fighting over the country's diamonds and other mineral resources. If you didn't have diamonds in the Congo, you wouldn't have this war, says Alex Yearlsey of the London-based Global Witness, a human rights group that has brought international attention to conflict diamonds. Diamonds in the Congo are the major resource, the major reason the conflict has been going on for so long. When Dateline visited, we saw a little girl, Vamilia, who was shot in the leg and watched her parents were killed in front of her. It's important to keep in mind that not all diamonds cause despair. The majority of diamonds are clean and even benefit the countries that produce them. But conflict diamonds are a significant number. In the United States, whether it's the 15 percent that the human rights groups claim or the 4 percent the diamond industry asserts, sales of conflict diamonds adds up to well more than $100 million. Although it's not illegal to buy or sell conflict diamonds in this country, the United Nations and the United States have imposed some import bans and humanitarian groups have expressed outrage all pressure that the jewelry industry is well aware of. We're working so hard for a meaningful solution to this problem, says Matt Runcie, who heads the Jewelers of America, a trade organization of 11,000 jewelry stores. Runcie says no jeweler can make any guarantees until a system is in place to make sure diamonds are clean. The truth is, however, that today, retail jewelers in America cannot provide the complete assurance that consumers have every right to seek in connection with the sale of an individual diamond, says Runcie. 'DATELINE NBC' INVESTIGATES So what are jewelers telling customers who ask about conflict diamonds? Dateline went on a shopping trip with hidden cameras to find out. We visited Tiffany's, Cartier and Harry Winston three premiere diamond sellers on New York's Fifth Avenue. They were all willing to tell us about color, clarity and carat size, but listen to what happened when we asked where the diamonds were from. At Tiffany's, one saleswoman told us just what the Jewelers of America advises its members to tell customers. We make every
Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
-Caveat Lector- For those who may have been trying to reach the site on New Age which I posted a while back, I just received the following note from Hannah: "Apparently my research may have been *too* good. Site went down only a week after launch, apparently hackers. At the time it was logging 100 hits a day. The Virtual Jerusalem webmaster has yet to explain what happened." Hannah is working on an alternative site for the material now, but until it is very secure, I cannot post the information. I will redo the post in the future if I can for readers of this board. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Dear Duncan of Nexus, You wrote: Icke is another great example of 2 + 2 = 5. After favourably mentioning NEXUS at every lecture, we failed to review an Icke book one day, and since then we have been 'out of favour'. Worse still, Icke started claiming that Laurence Gardner and Secharia Sitchin were reptilian shape shifting alien who eats babies at satanic sacrifices. Of course, true Icke believers overlooked the fact that BOTH these popular speakers were trafficking information that CONTRADICTED Icke's favoured view of the universe at the point. Rather than debate point by point, Icke resorted to smearing the people to disqualify their info. | Let me comment: | | Your are seriously distorting facts. Icke has written, that Laurence Gardner | and Secharia Sitchin have been seen doing shape-shifting. That these two | persons also "were reptilian shape shifting aliens who eats babies at satanic | sacrifices" is a product of you own fantasy. | |"The Biggest Secret" is not just "an Icke book," it is his most important work. |After writing that book, Icke was sacked from the pages of Nexus without |any reason given. | |That was the point where I quit reading Nexus. | |Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark | - Original Message - From: nexusmagazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement -Caveat Lector- Duncan has read this list and has been in archives until he begins to sound like certain people on this list. There are numerous Nexus Magazines - but Duncan, you sound like many different people. Who and what are you really Duncan - home brewed stuff in disguise - however, you do spell organization "organisatio" which is indicative of possible Australian extraction? NEXUS Magazine is proudly Australian! Australia uses British spelling for English, so most words you have using a 'z' (which we pronounce 'zed' not 'zee') have an 's'. So, yes, 'organisation' is the correct spelling for the rest of the world outside of America. As to who and what am I really? I'll spare you the full half-hour rave, but suffice to say that one day I looked around at the world (when I was 14) and decided that it needed improving. After a few years of meditating, vegetarianising, etc I decided then that the only true permanent change comes from within each person, with conscious desire. (ie you cannot force true change onto people). So since then I have dedicated my life working for groups, organisations, and charities which educated people with information on alternative health, alternative philosophies, environmental awareness etc. About 15 years ago, I became increasingly aware that global and local problems were no accident. Many are/were deliberately created and maintained. By that stage on I was on umpteen executive committees, meeting with politicians, mayors, community leaders etc. I pursued my private research into 'conspiracies', whilst working for a couple of 'alternative' media publications in Australia. Ten years ago I got the chance to obtain my own magazine, NEXUS. I ditched the new age stuff, the women's issues, the pagan/occult stuff, and most of the envionmental content. I figured there were already enough mags dedicated to those subjects on the newstands in Australia. I wanted to branch out into my favourites, ie alternative health (without the glossy health pap served up by soy mulitnationals); future science; the unexplained, and 'conspiracies'. So it is all in the game, Duncan.you called this lady a Bimbo for expressing her views? What is a Bimbo, for recently an asshole called me a Bimbo on line, which I ignored I agree that I overreacted, but at least I did more than just smear. I provided qualified info, mainly from my own 15 years involvement with a so-called 'new age movement' and I am telling you, there is no way in the world that these millions of people and their relevant groups and orgs are united on any one agenda. They ALL squabble, fight, disagree, steal staff, lists etc. Most all are total hypocrites to their declared ideals to boot. As much as I believe the 'new age industry' to be sickening, to imply that all consumers to that market sector are involved in a massive conspiracy to kill all Jews is laughable. The only people threatened by what is called the 'new age movement' are established religions! Period! Who and what are you really Duncan - but I sitll like to read your magazine and you sure as hell - well one could say you are self serving..now I see why this one woman was virtually run off this list, because she liked Ickes2 and 2 - 4; many people who preferred to reac Ickes seem to get kicked at with railing accusations? Icke is another great example of 2 + 2 = 5. After favourably mentioning NEXUS at every lecture, we failed to review
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-Caveat Lector- Believe what you say Duncan - ultimate goal of the New Age movement is to destroy the church and in particular, Christian Church, as we know it today - the Catholic Church is the biggest target and if you remember Garibaldi and his Red Shirts, you see the enemy of the Church Hammers away yetthe idea is for the Pope to be murdered in the open sight of others and he must fall in the open field, like JFK.sudden death, at high or low 12. Why do you think the Black Moslem/Nationalists hate the pope so when the natural enemy is the Jew? Got on to that one when I had some papers out of New York City sent to me and every paper had the Pope as the anti Christ, referred to Rosemary's Baby as thought it was an authority on religion - and this element is involved in the murder of JFK.all hooked in nice package but these Irish Kennedys were major obstacle to this garbage. Even got little John John .see Israel is putting in land mines, etc. - talk of peace, ready for and prepared to go to war - yesterday I heard a statement made by Daniel Monyihan Senator of New York - he had said Zionism is Fascism..wonder that guy is still around - That was long time ago - when this remark was made... None Dare Call It Fascism today - do they - Zionism is communism? It sure as hell is not Americanism They have a calendar of events which is Communist Time Table...but this handful of people would destroy the Catholic Church and that I believe - for today Christians are judged by the crap they see on TVTammy and Jimmy Baker, or Billy Graham who took over $25,000 from mobster Mickey Cohen, to save his soul...and who got butted down a mountain side by a Billy Goat and ended up in a hospital, shortly thereafter.Who says there is not a God. Thanks Duncan...no response needed here - appreciate you material and this New Age movement - have the Rainbow Coalition book someone gave me in 1985..like big apple, when you get to the core you find it is rotten from within, but looks nice and shiney on the outside. Tell me did you ever see a movie where they knock the Zionists?They want the Pope to take a vow of poverty but it is the wealth of the Catholic Church that has kept it alive - When I read the bible, I still wonder what the hell religion really is - reorganization of the Roman LegionS? Or the American Legion? My Name is Legion, for We Are many and might does make right today - look at the Balkans and say it does not. Saba A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Aleisha Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Believe what you say Duncan - ultimate goal of the New Age movement is to destroy the church and in particular, Christian Church, as we know it today - the Catholic Church is the biggest target and if you remember Garibaldi and his Red Shirts, you see the enemy of the Church Hammers away yetthe idea is for the Pope to be murdered in the open sight of others and he must fall in the open field, like JFK.sudden death, at high or low 12. Why do you think the Black Moslem/Nationalists hate the pope so when the natural enemy is the Jew? Got on to that one when I had some papers out of New York City sent to me and every paper had the Pope as the anti Christ, referred to Rosemary's Baby as thought it was an authority on religion - and this element is involved in the murder of JFK.all hooked in nice package but these Irish Kennedys were major obstacle to this garbage. Even got little John John .see Israel is putting in land mines, etc. - talk of peace, ready for and prepared to go to war - yesterday I heard a statement made by Daniel Monyihan Senator of New York - he had said Zionism is Fascism..wonder that guy is still around - That was long time ago - when this remark was made... None Dare Call It Fascism today - do they - Zionism is communism? It sure as hell is not Americanism They have a calendar of events which is Communist Time Table...but this handful of people would destroy the Catholic Church and that I believe - for today Christians are judged by the crap they see on TVTammy and Jimmy Baker, or Billy Graham who took over $25,000 from mobster Mickey Cohen, to save his soul...and who got butted down a mountain side by a Billy Goat and ended up in a hospital, shortly thereafter.Who says there is not a God. Thanks Duncan...no response needed here - appreciate you material and this New Age movement - have the Rainbow Coalition book someone gave me in 1985..like big apple, when you get to the core you find it is rotten from within, but looks nice and shiney on the outside. Tell me did you ever see a movie where they knock the Zionists?They want the Pope to take a vow of poverty but it is the wealth of the Catholic Church that has kept it alive - When I read the bible, I still wonder what the hell religion really is - reorganization of the Roman LegionS? Or the American Legion? My Name is Legion, for We Are many and might does make right today - look at the Balkans and say it does not. Saba Dear Saba/Colleen, I'm glad to see that you powers of critical thinking have not declined. After all, how much lower than idiot can one one go? J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/00 10:42:03 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement Never did I think I would be writing to the "Great Saba." She of the whispers in the dark style of writing. She of the crystal ball gypsy style of fortune telling. Whispers, phrases, suggestions, hints, allusions. Great mysteries. Passageways with powerful men in dark suits whispering undeciphered secrets into microphones hidden in walls. Who can remember all of the "important" prophecies you make and challenge you on them later, particularly when like the $2.00 gypsy, it is all vague. Frankly Saba, there is a lot going on that isn't reported, but your writing style is much more impressive than your information. New Age--one world government, one world religion. For very practical reasons, as Mortimer Adler pointed out, the one world religion can't be Jewish or Christian because they promote a moral code which must be taken on faith before even before it is justified through the experience of real life. The Eastern religions are acceptable because they promote a kind of vague "spirituality." The Manley Hall type of occultism is very acceptable because those so inclined can intellectually muck around in all of the symbolism for all of their lives without ever having to make a moral decision that results in a moral act. Buddhism is probably the most acceptable to this group. Unity of culture is the goal of promoting the one world religion. Tell me did you ever see a movie where they knock the Zionists? There are no movies around attacking Zionism because enough to suit the nasty little antisemites of that has already been done in the newspapers and through other media on a daily basis. The leftist Postzionists are doing the job in Israel already. Hitler thought he was bringing in the New Age. He deluded himself into thinking the role was his after contact with the Theosophists and Thulists. Hitler went after the Jews first because they were the smallest group. Christians were to be next, after the war, but they were needed to fight the war for the smaller group of New Agers, so the German Christians were suckered in, leaving the Confessing group to fight the Nazis alone on that front. The Catholics were a major target because they attempted resistance, and had the organization to make a dent in the Nazi movement. Unfortunately they compromised too early, losing many of their own people in the camps and in the war zones. It's what happens when one compromises with evil people. How in the name of heavens can one trust the same leadership not to lie those who killed by the millions, starting with the handicapped, the mentally ill, the elderly, etc. How easy it is to be self-deluded, trying to read all of the clues in the suggestions of the vague New Age beliefs. Somewhere in the supernatural belief system of the Christians is the suggestion that when the Fallen Angel tempts humans away from the moral code, he lets them rise, then he laughs with contempt at their weakness and disposes of them as one would a piece of dirt. Perhaps that was Hitler's end. Saba, I have no doubt that you are an insider, but the question should remain for most reading these posts, which side are you on? My guess it's the same side as Savitri Devi was on. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Duncan has read this list and has been in archives until he begins to sound like certain people on this list. There are numerous Nexus Magazines - but Duncan, you sound like many different people. Who and what are you really Duncan - home brewed stuff in disguise - however, you do spell organization "organisatio" which is indicative of possible Australian extraction? NEXUS Magazine is proudly Australian! Australia uses British spelling for English, so most words you have using a 'z' (which we pronounce 'zed' not 'zee') have an 's'. So, yes, 'organisation' is the correct spelling for the rest of the world outside of America. As to who and what am I really? I'll spare you the full half-hour rave, but suffice to say that one day I looked around at the world (when I was 14) and decided that it needed improving. After a few years of meditating, vegetarianising, etc I decided then that the only true permanent change comes from within each person, with conscious desire. (ie you cannot force true change onto people). So since then I have dedicated my life working for groups, organisations, and charities which educated people with information on alternative health, alternative philosophies, environmental awareness etc. About 15 years ago, I became increasingly aware that global and local problems were no accident. Many are/were deliberately created and maintained. By that stage on I was on umpteen executive committees, meeting with politicians, mayors, community leaders etc. I pursued my private research into 'conspiracies', whilst working for a couple of 'alternative' media publications in Australia. Ten years ago I got the chance to obtain my own magazine, NEXUS. I ditched the new age stuff, the women's issues, the pagan/occult stuff, and most of the envionmental content. I figured there were already enough mags dedicated to those subjects on the newstands in Australia. I wanted to branch out into my favourites, ie alternative health (without the glossy health pap served up by soy mulitnationals); future science; the unexplained, and 'conspiracies'. So it is all in the game, Duncan.you called this lady a Bimbo for expressing her views? What is a Bimbo, for recently an asshole called me a Bimbo on line, which I ignored I agree that I overreacted, but at least I did more than just smear. I provided qualified info, mainly from my own 15 years involvement with a so-called 'new age movement' and I am telling you, there is no way in the world that these millions of people and their relevant groups and orgs are united on any one agenda. They ALL squabble, fight, disagree, steal staff, lists etc. Most all are total hypocrites to their declared ideals to boot. As much as I believe the 'new age industry' to be sickening, to imply that all consumers to that market sector are involved in a massive conspiracy to kill all Jews is laughable. The only people threatened by what is called the 'new age movement' are established religions! Period! Who and what are you really Duncan - but I sitll like to read your magazine and you sure as hell - well one could say you are self serving..now I see why this one woman was virtually run off this list, because she liked Ickes2 and 2 - 4; many people who preferred to reac Ickes seem to get kicked at with railing accusations? Icke is another great example of 2 + 2 = 5. After favourably mentioning NEXUS at every lecture, we failed to review an Icke book one day, and since then we have been 'out of favour'. Worse still, Icke started claiming that Laurence Gardner and Secharia Sitchin were reptilian shape shifting alien who eats babies at satanic sacrifices. Of course, true Icke believers overlooked the fact that BOTH these popular speakers were trafficking information that CONTRADICTED Icke's favoured view of the universe at the point. Rather than debate point by point, Icke resorted to smearing the people to disqualify their info. I called him on it, and an email row ensued. To this day I maintain that Icke is wrong on these two guys. (I am not commenting on the rest of Icke's theories, because none of them are his own anyway - they all came from other sources, now with his name on them). As for self-serving, how can I not be? I mean, I am the magazine owner, editor and all-round interneter, advertising sales person, etc. We employ 4 people at NEXUS, and we now print in many countries in several languages. It is purely driven by people wanting the magazine. We rarely advertise, I am too disorganised to promote properly, and besides, I don't have the spare cash to do so. So when you see me on the list (in between deadlines) it is only because I have had my 'buttons' pressed by someone mouthing off on a subject that I know of. (Back on Steve Wingate's UFO list, I entered the soy debate because some bimbos were telling the list that soy products were all okay, and that the meat and dairy industry had funded our
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-Caveat Lector- I saw the same kind of drivel come from the Fundamentalist Christians. Once you're superstitious and paranoid, there no limit to what nonsensical drivel you can find believable. What's interesting to me me is how fearful people become when someone threatens their belief system. No matter how stupid and ridiculous and impossible that belief system is, you don't wan't to lose it. Pretty sick. Thank god I'm an atheist. Joshua2 == T Nohava wrote: -Caveat Lector- Amen Duncan! I could really "go off" on this one but I've seen too many narrow minded people here in the 3-4 years I've been on this list and don't care to engage in any debate here. There's no question though...this broad has some serious toys in her head! Great Magazine!!! Not subscribed anymore but never fail to pick one up while I'm at Barnes Noble. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nexusmagazine Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement -Caveat Lector- This is an excellent site for those who know nothing about the dangers to our society coming from the New Age movement and those who wish to learn more about this very extensive topic. Hannah Newman, a Jewish researcher who lives in Israel, recently sent out a notice about her site as follows: "My new, greatly expanded and updated research on New Age antisemitism is now on line. Go to: http://homestead.virtualjerusalem.com/antisemitism/index.html" This is some of the most unbelievable crap I have ever read. This is on a par with the 2 + 2 = 5 Jewish Conspiracy theories out there, except now we are expected to believe that the 'new age movement' is a coherent, organised plan. I feel qualified to comment here, as I helped push the new age movement in Australia. I am not anti-semitic, anti-jewish, or anti-anything. I believed that the Christian option was lacking, and I wanted to explore yoga, meditation and other philosophies. This bimbo is expecting us to believe that virtually all non-mainstream religions are part of a sinister plan to wipe out Jews. Talk about paranoid - it would be funny if it weren't so scary that people out there believe such drivel. I put to you all that this woman is part of an evil plan to isolate and vilify anyone not part of an 'established' religion. Established religions control their followers via their belief systems, but the rest of us are now 'new agers', to be isolated and vilified for our crime of not 'belonging' to a major belief system. I have been to Findhorn Community, I have lived on communes, I have organised festivals and activities, conferences, and published magazines, all promoting peaceful ideology via diet, attitude and environment. I KNOW the new age movement. It is totally disorganised, incoherent, and until Shirley Maclaine and Oprah Winfrey came along, it was lacking in credibility and viability. There are certainly sinister elements that come along and wave their flag under the new age movement's banner. In a world facing fragmentation and uncertainty, the last thing we need is more rubbish of this calibre. Hannah, there is no Jewish conspiracy to wipe out non-Jews, and there is no New Age conspiracy to wipe out Jews. You should go out and smell the roses and get a life! Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A =
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-Caveat Lector- Duncan has read this list and has been in archives until he begins to sound like certain people on this list. There are numerous Nexus Magazines - but Duncan, you sound like many different people. Who and what are you really Duncan - home brewed stuff in disguise - however, you do spell organization "organisatio" which is indicative of possible Australian extraction? You standing on your head a gain Duncan.a Prince, a true prince of Saudi Arabia who was to be King until they murdered his father in 1968 personally told me at a dinner party, and others at our table, that the European Zionist in Holy Land caused all the problems - that the jew and moslem and christians could live in peace if they would leave them aloneEhud Barak aka Brug, is Ashkenazi Zionist - look at the body bags containing bodies of many different varieties, primarily children - and then say Barak, a Standford man, is not a chief conspirator in the NWO conspiracy - like a Chess Board - many pawns - but as G. Gordon Liddy said, hey "they got your Queen". So it is all in the game, Duncan.you called this lady a Bimbo for expressing her views? What is a Bimbo, for recently an asshole called me a Bimbo on line, which I ignored Who and what are you really Duncan - but I sitll like to read your magazine and you sure as hell - well one could say you are self serving..now I see why this one woman was virtually run off this list, because she liked Ickes2 and 2 - 4; many people who preferred to reac Ickes seem to get kicked at with railing accusations? Saba So there are several Nexus Magazines - do you pubish and sell yours at Barnes and Noble as this one man so believes? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- --- Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just gave that site a read and the one thing I'm happy to see is the header "Welcome to one Jew's analysis..." If that hadn't been there, I would have mistaken this for some Xian fundie page. Actually, the orthodox Jews and the Christian fundamentalists are in the same camp when it comes to the New Age. Same with a few other issues, but that is a different topic. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- By the way, I wonder how the Erisians, Subgenii and Discordians fit in? I have my suspicions that Bob may be Jewish. Or at least pretending to be. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Johannes Schmidt III wrote: -Caveat Lector- By the way, I wonder how the Erisians, Subgenii and Discordians fit in? I have my suspicions that Bob may be Jewish. Or at least pretending to be. Perhaps Bob is doing that to scare away more racists. IMO, he looks like an acid-jangled WASP to me. -- ´´ Mark McHugh A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:52:29 -0600 Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Johannes Schmidt III wrote: -Caveat Lector- By the way, I wonder how the Erisians, Subgenii and Discordians fit in? I have my suspicions that Bob may be Jewish. Or at least pretending to be. Perhaps Bob is doing that to scare away more racists. IMO, he looks like an acid-jangled WASP to me. People who have met him say he looks like James Stewart, but strangely 'plastic'. (ref 'The Third Fist'). Of course other cultures have reported other Bobs, such as Nasrudin (the Bedouin 'Bob'), Rasputin (the Russian 'Bob') and Johnny Cochran (the Negro 'Bob') and so forth. Of course any of these may have been avatars of the Anti-Bob. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 12/12/00 1:02:48 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Duncan of Nexusthanks for letting us know of your New Age connection. It certainly fits in with your pushing of Icke with his vicious antisemitism "Vicious anti-semitism" I think not, why spread such misinformation about the man, are you concerened about his conclusions?? Bill.
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-Caveat Lector- Why in the word would anyone take your word that New Age is not organized? Why should the rest of us take anyone's word one way or the other? The word of any individual is insufficient. Let's see some proof. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/12/00 10:37:35 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why should the rest of us take anyone's word one way or the other? The word of any individual is insufficient. Let's see some proof. Reply: You're right. Read the site. There are many people doing research on New Age, though they may not post to this board. At this point either you know what is going on in that area or you don't. Research on New Age isn't a one hook conspiracy theory. I put my post on this board to alert those who have worked in that area. I don't intend to intrude on the debates that regulars enjoy here. Now back to the regular programming. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- I didn't find any issues of Nexus worth keeping after I picked a few up here in Chicago, so I don't have specifics to turn back at you. Go spit your venom somewhere else. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is an excellent site for those who know nothing about the dangers to our society coming from the New Age movement and those who wish to learn more about this very extensive topic. Hannah Newman, a Jewish researcher who lives in Israel, recently sent out a notice about her site as follows: "My new, greatly expanded and updated research on New Age antisemitism is now on line. Go to: http://homestead.virtualjerusalem.com/antisemitism/index.html" Is anti-Semitism more prevalent than anti-[insert cultural identity marker] in the US? I've seen quite a bit of anti-hickism and anti-blackism, but haven't run into much anti-Semitism, unless it's of the anti-Arab variety I've witnessed on the silver and blue screens. Even after having lived in New York for three years, I haven't seen any, besides the same level of stereotypical BS that I see most other cultural groups suffering: the drunken Mick, the flashy Dago, the mouthy JAP. Hell, around here they make fun of the Southern Baptists (the blathering Biblethumper, Apocalyptic White Trash). As for New Age anti-Semitism, I've yet to run into any in my years of research and casual surfing, unless they're using crypto-anti-Semitic symbols, though I'm a pretty good at ciphering that esoteric stuff. `` I just gave that site a read and the one thing I'm happy to see is the header "Welcome to one Jew's analysis..." If that hadn't been there, I would have mistaken this for some Xian fundie page. Hannah Newman seems to equate Theosophy with the whole New Age and the New Age sounds like the Nazis, focusing particularly on eliminating the Jews. More tribal-centric spook stories. Is there any fun in creating such realities? I know P.K. Dick enjoyed a more egocentric version, but he had his problems. Even though it's a load of crap, thanks for the link! This is some fun reading. I enjoy a good paranoid screed now and then. I'm open-minded, so I'll let you know if I become convinced, after a more thorough reading. By the way, I wonder how the Erisians, Subgenii and Discordians fit in? -- ´´ Mark McHugh A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- This is an excellent site for those who know nothing about the dangers to our society coming from the New Age movement and those who wish to learn more about this very extensive topic. Hannah Newman, a Jewish researcher who lives in Israel, recently sent out a notice about her site as follows: "My new, greatly expanded and updated research on New Age antisemitism is now on line. Go to: http://homestead.virtualjerusalem.com/antisemitism/index.html" This is some of the most unbelievable crap I have ever read. This is on a par with the 2 + 2 = 5 Jewish Conspiracy theories out there, except now we are expected to believe that the 'new age movement' is a coherent, organised plan. I feel qualified to comment here, as I helped push the new age movement in Australia. I am not anti-semitic, anti-jewish, or anti-anything. I believed that the Christian option was lacking, and I wanted to explore yoga, meditation and other philosophies. This bimbo is expecting us to believe that virtually all non-mainstream religions are part of a sinister plan to wipe out Jews. Talk about paranoid - it would be funny if it weren't so scary that people out there believe such drivel. I put to you all that this woman is part of an evil plan to isolate and vilify anyone not part of an 'established' religion. Established religions control their followers via their belief systems, but the rest of us are now 'new agers', to be isolated and vilified for our crime of not 'belonging' to a major belief system. I have been to Findhorn Community, I have lived on communes, I have organised festivals and activities, conferences, and published magazines, all promoting peaceful ideology via diet, attitude and environment. I KNOW the new age movement. It is totally disorganised, incoherent, and until Shirley Maclaine and Oprah Winfrey came along, it was lacking in credibility and viability. There are certainly sinister elements that come along and wave their flag under the new age movement's banner. In a world facing fragmentation and uncertainty, the last thing we need is more rubbish of this calibre. Hannah, there is no Jewish conspiracy to wipe out non-Jews, and there is no New Age conspiracy to wipe out Jews. You should go out and smell the roses and get a life! Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Amen Duncan! I could really "go off" on this one but I've seen too many narrow minded people here in the 3-4 years I've been on this list and don't care to engage in any debate here. There's no question though...this broad has some serious toys in her head! Great Magazine!!! Not subscribed anymore but never fail to pick one up while I'm at Barnes Noble. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nexusmagazine Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement -Caveat Lector- This is an excellent site for those who know nothing about the dangers to our society coming from the New Age movement and those who wish to learn more about this very extensive topic. Hannah Newman, a Jewish researcher who lives in Israel, recently sent out a notice about her site as follows: "My new, greatly expanded and updated research on New Age antisemitism is now on line. Go to: http://homestead.virtualjerusalem.com/antisemitism/index.html" This is some of the most unbelievable crap I have ever read. This is on a par with the 2 + 2 = 5 Jewish Conspiracy theories out there, except now we are expected to believe that the 'new age movement' is a coherent, organised plan. I feel qualified to comment here, as I helped push the new age movement in Australia. I am not anti-semitic, anti-jewish, or anti-anything. I believed that the Christian option was lacking, and I wanted to explore yoga, meditation and other philosophies. This bimbo is expecting us to believe that virtually all non-mainstream religions are part of a sinister plan to wipe out Jews. Talk about paranoid - it would be funny if it weren't so scary that people out there believe such drivel. I put to you all that this woman is part of an evil plan to isolate and vilify anyone not part of an 'established' religion. Established religions control their followers via their belief systems, but the rest of us are now 'new agers', to be isolated and vilified for our crime of not 'belonging' to a major belief system. I have been to Findhorn Community, I have lived on communes, I have organised festivals and activities, conferences, and published magazines, all promoting peaceful ideology via diet, attitude and environment. I KNOW the new age movement. It is totally disorganised, incoherent, and until Shirley Maclaine and Oprah Winfrey came along, it was lacking in credibility and viability. There are certainly sinister elements that come along and wave their flag under the new age movement's banner. In a world facing fragmentation and uncertainty, the last thing we need is more rubbish of this calibre. Hannah, there is no Jewish conspiracy to wipe out non-Jews, and there is no New Age conspiracy to wipe out Jews. You should go out and smell the roses and get a life! Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions
Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
-Caveat Lector- LMAO!!! This is too funny!!!Anyone that reads that pile of shit "Nexus" is just as loony as its fruit-loop "editor"! Still in stitches over this set-up piece of schlock self-promotion! Hahahahahaha!!! - Original Message - From: "T Nohava" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement -Caveat Lector- Amen Duncan! I could really "go off" on this one but I've seen too many narrow minded people here in the 3-4 years I've been on this list and don't care to engage in any debate here. There's no question though...this broad has some serious toys in her head! Great Magazine!!! Not subscribed anymore but never fail to pick one up while I'm at Barnes Noble. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nexusmagazine Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 5:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement -Caveat Lector- This is an excellent site for those who know nothing about the dangers to our society coming from the New Age movement and those who wish to learn more about this very extensive topic. Hannah Newman, a Jewish researcher who lives in Israel, recently sent out a notice about her site as follows: "My new, greatly expanded and updated research on New Age antisemitism is now on line. Go to: http://homestead.virtualjerusalem.com/antisemitism/index.html" This is some of the most unbelievable crap I have ever read. This is on a par with the 2 + 2 = 5 Jewish Conspiracy theories out there, except now we are expected to believe that the 'new age movement' is a coherent, organised plan. I feel qualified to comment here, as I helped push the new age movement in Australia. I am not anti-semitic, anti-jewish, or anti-anything. I believed that the Christian option was lacking, and I wanted to explore yoga, meditation and other philosophies. This bimbo is expecting us to believe that virtually all non-mainstream religions are part of a sinister plan to wipe out Jews. Talk about paranoid - it would be funny if it weren't so scary that people out there believe such drivel. I put to you all that this woman is part of an evil plan to isolate and vilify anyone not part of an 'established' religion. Established religions control their followers via their belief systems, but the rest of us are now 'new agers', to be isolated and vilified for our crime of not 'belonging' to a major belief system. I have been to Findhorn Community, I have lived on communes, I have organised festivals and activities, conferences, and published magazines, all promoting peaceful ideology via diet, attitude and environment. I KNOW the new age movement. It is totally disorganised, incoherent, and until Shirley Maclaine and Oprah Winfrey came along, it was lacking in credibility and viability. There are certainly sinister elements that come along and wave their flag under the new age movement's banner. In a world facing fragmentation and uncertainty, the last thing we need is more rubbish of this calibre. Hannah, there is no Jewish conspiracy to wipe out non-Jews, and there is no New Age conspiracy to wipe out Jews. You should go out and smell the roses and get a life! Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A ==
Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
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{grin} This was just an example of the drivel I was referring to.
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LMAO!!! This is too funny!!!Anyone that reads that pile of shit
"Nexus" is just as loony as its fruit-loop "editor"!
Still in stitches over this set-up piece of schlock self-promotion!
Hahahahahaha!!!
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Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
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From: "T Nohava" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
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{grin} This was just an example of the drivel I was referring to.
Hmmm ... your {grin} doesn't look like one from here ... looks more like a
psychotics twinge?
And thankyou by "This," we assume you mean YOUR own rediculous "drivel" and
poop over "Nexus".
It doesn't take a genuis to figure that the so-called "spirituality" of the
NAM is Nazism to the core, which a multitude of fruitcakes taken along for
the ride.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1004.html
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1048.html
"Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow : The New Age Movement and Our Coming Age of
Barbarism"
http://www.cuttingedge.org/review/rv105.html
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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
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LMAO!!! This is too funny!!!Anyone that reads that pile of shit
"Nexus" is just as loony as its fruit-loop "editor"!
Still in stitches over this set-up piece of schlock self-promotion!
Hahahahahaha!!!
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Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
-Caveat Lector- Duncan of Nexusthanks for letting us know of your New Age connection. It certainly fits in with your pushing of Icke with his vicious antisemitism and the rest of your rag which sells in New Age bookstores as well as to militia people. Why in the word would anyone take your word that New Age is not organized? Because you publish disinformation in your magazine to get those who are trying to learn what is going on running in seventeen different directions, all of which lead to dead ends? By the way, read more carefully. I'm not Hannah. I was just telling others of her site. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- LMAO!!! This is too funny!!!Anyone that reads that pile of shit "Nexus" is just as loony as its fruit-loop "editor"! Still in stitches over this set-up piece of schlock self-promotion! Hahahahahaha!!! So am I to assume you know what you are talking about? You have obviously read some of the magazine and have an intelligent comment to make? If so, maybe you would like to air any valid concerns or rational criticism either personally to my email address, or maybe you would like to show what an idiot you truly are to everyone and debate publicly. You should obviously have no problems arguing with myself, the 'fruit loop' editor and owner of NEXUS Magazine should you? After you have stopped laughing at your own stupidity, email something sensible to discuss. Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement
-Caveat Lector- And thankyou by "This," we assume you mean YOUR own rediculous "drivel" and poop over "Nexus". It doesn't take a genuis to figure that the so-called "spirituality" of the NAM is Nazism to the core, which a multitude of fruitcakes taken along for the ride. http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1004.html http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1048.html "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow : The New Age Movement and Our Coming Age of Barbarism" http://www.cuttingedge.org/review/rv105.html So I gather that Guitar Virtuoso is a radical fundamentalist christian living in Australia. The 'new age' movement isn't neo-nazi, the fundamentalist christians are. Go get a mirror pal and have a good hard look. Then go get a brain and learn to think for yourself. The "Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow" is chock a block full of facts like 2+2=5. Yet these are the sort of facts that fundamentalists like yourself and Hannah use as 'evidence' that the new age movement are trying to kill off all jews. You would be funny if you weren't so deluded and dangerous. It seems that anyone not part of an established religion is by default part of the 'new age' movement. Your extremist pals in the USA go around telling us that vegetarians are satanists, that chiropractors are doing the work of the devil etc. Now your friends on this list would have us believe that anyone who meditates or wants peace and goodwill for all is part of an anti-jewish plot. At least the track record of the new age movement (assuming there even is one) is not like the track record of religions like yours. Your religious brothers are killing each other, and others who do not agree with them. Ever heard of a new ager who killed off thousands of others just because they disagreed? Established religions are for sheep who cannot think for themselves. Their track record of corruption, bloodshed, lies, deceptions and hypocrisy are clear for all to judge them by. And for the record you brainless twerp, I do not even like the 'new age' movement. I deplore the rampant egos, profiteering, lies, and hypocrisy amongst all the groups and organisations. Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
