Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- Millegan, From the instant you started hurling false andlibelous accusations regarding conspiratorial plots to "besmirch" your reputation and "hijack" cia-drugs, you destroyed what remained of your credibility and wrecked the list. The only plot to ruin you was in your head, and in executing this plot, you succeeded admirably. Brian Downing Quig, in the months before his death, fingered you as a Cointelpro op. No amount of accusing others of being Cointelpro ops is going to change that reality. Brian made the accusation to too many people in too many messages, none of which were forged. I discouraged Brian from going down that path, and defended you at the time, but given subsequent events, one begins to wonder if he wasn't on to something. I don't want to waste any more of my daily message quota on this inane topic. There are too many important developments happening out there in the real world to discuss. If anyone has any questions about this controversy, feel free to contact me in private email, and I will explain what is going on. political-research, here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/ is also open to discussion on these and other matters related to deep politics, with the caveat that any personal attacks or flaming of the kind we have seen here are strongly discouraged. It's impossible to carry on a useful discussion with this kind of neurotic verbal abuse mucking up the works. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples) www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/2003 8:24:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: McFraud, Your missive below is classic cointelpro. Millegan, From the instant you started hurling false and libelous accusations regarding conspiratorial plots to "besmirch" your reputation and "hijack" cia-drugs, you destroyed what remained of your credibility and wrecked the list. Here you got trying to spread rumours about me by lying and trying to make me look "paranoid." I have only accused three personas of involvement in the use of forged emails. Please prove me wrong. My credibilty is fine and just because the CIA-Drugs list is not filled with your boilerplate BS anymore hasn't "wrecked the list." Quite the contrary, the list is more focused and is very productive in its topic area with a wider participation. The only plot to ruin you was in your head, and in executing this plot, you succeeded admirably. Again, you disparage me with no evidence. You are just cutting and running ... as you have done several times before. Brian Downing Quig, in the months before his death, fingered you as a Cointelpro op. No amount of accusing others of being Cointelpro ops is going to change that reality. Brian made the accusation to too many people in too many messages, none of which were forged. So now, your "According to reliable sources" turns out to be the late Brian Quig. You truly have no shame. Hiding behind your false name spreading lies and using Brian's death as part of your actions. Please post your post from Brian accuse me of being a COINTELPRO agent. Notice you never post any proof just more smears and innuendos. I am working from known and recognized facts - the emails, according to many who knew and spoke with Brian, were forged both by content and presentation. You have even accused me of forging them. There is the fact that in the second purported email was only "received" by you, Eastman and webfairy, three other very real people who were cc'd didnt receive the same said missive. It is a fact that you have been caught before inflating "evidence." It is a fact that you use rhetorical and technical devices used in cointelpro activities. I discouraged Brian from going down that path, and defended you at the time, but given subsequent events, one begins to wonder if he wasn't on to something. Oh, you are so noble, really jibes with your on-screen pronouncements at the time ... not. Why should we even begin to believe BS from some anonymous snipe. I don't want to waste any more of my daily message quota on this inane topic. There are too many important developments happening out there in the real world to discuss. Cut and running, couldn't resist some more subtle jibes, eh? If anyone has any questions about this controversy, feel free to contact me in private email, and I will explain what is going on. Yes, you will, explain in private, wouldn't lie to anybody now ... with nobody watching now would ya? Gee, seems kinda like cointelpro, now doesn't it. political-research, here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/political-research/ is also open to discussion on these and other matters related to deep politics, with the caveat that any personal attacks or flaming of the kind we have seen here are strongly discouraged. It's impossible to carry on a useful discussion with this kind of neurotic verbal abuse mucking up the works. So cute, McFraud, sometimes I am this big agent in some wild conspiracy theory other times I am just a dumb, nuerotic. McFraud, if you notice, my story doesn't change. And it was backed up by several real people. Who backs you up? Sniping, cutting and running is what McFraud does best though. Peace, Om K www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/7/03 3:03:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- According to reliable sources, Millegan, YOU were the source of those forged messages, and it was part of a Cointelpro-style operation of which you are a part. You haven't been able to find a single person to support you in your false and slanderous charges, and your fellow Cointelpro operatives are afraid to come out of the shadows to prop you up for fear of being exposed and being tainted by you. That's what some people in the know are saying. ROTFLMAO. McFraud, that is quite funny. You really lie quite outrageously. Pray tell, who are your reliable sources? So let us see are the messages forged or not? Hmm, so you say that Jim Rarey, Mark Urban and Bob have not all stated publicly that they never received the "cc'd" messages. Do you also deny that Anton Chaitkin also commented that the first "purported" email from Brian Quig was an obvious forgery. Brian spelled Chaitkin's name wrong and there was also a factual error about EIR's stance on Chalabi plus other "disparaging" remarks about EIR. These people in the know. Interesting how you always capitalize cointelpro, and then use cointelpro methodology in your postings. This very laughable current posting included. Why not fess up? You mean like Fess in 1957? (Whip sound) Get up there, H'ya (whip sound) Oooh Oooh Oh wringle wrangle Jingy jong jangle (whistle, whip) Mighty fine horse I'm in love of course Cause I got me a pretty woman's love Wringle wrangle Jingy jong jangle (whistle, whip) Spurs on my boots And I don't give a hoot 'Cause I got me a pretty woman's love With a dollar's worth of beans, And a new pair of jeans Got a woman to cook and wash...and things Oh wringle wrangle Jingy jong jangle (whistle, whip) If I die I ain't-a gonna cry 'Cause I got me a pretty woman's love Wringle wrangle Wringle wrangle Yes, I got me a pretty woman's love Feel free to take all this to court, and we can sort it all out. As you know, I maintain dated, nonrewritable CD records of all my communications, and I am happy to put all that documentation on the table. I do not feel slandered, because you aren't a real person and you have already been caught in two internet frauds and have no credibility -- no matter how hard you try. And again, are there forged emails or not? You claimed both times to have received the email "produced" by webfairy and the one posted by Eastman -- which you above now claim - "Millegan, YOU were the source of those forged messages." So just what do you have documentation of? Many people have come to the conclusion that your gambit with the "forged" messages was part of an effort to shut down any questions about the circumstances of Brian Quig's death. Now, who would be in a hurry to rule out the possible assassination angle on Quig? Well, his possible assassins, for one. So, since I caught you and yours red-handed using "forged" emails, I am being accused of being an accomplice in the death of Brian Quig. You really have no shame do you McFraud? Again, who are these many people that "have come to the conclusion that your gambit"? Don't ya think you are reaching a bit for that? With regard to "disparaging" you: haven't you ever participated in a graduate seminar at a first-rate university, and engaged in vigorous give-and-take with others in the spirit of friendly truth-seeking? I am friendly and quite benign with most, I don't care for BS, and from you I see a lot. Again you are fraud, before you wish to carry on discourse you must give me a reason. There is none you have no credibility ... as you continue to show. Actually, what is your educational background exactly? Is it safe to say you don't have a degree in any field related to history? Yes? No? You don't come across as someone who does. You seem to have had no experience in historical and scholarly discussion and debate. You treat any disagreement as a personal attack on yourself. This is not the way intelligent people conduct conspiracy research, or research of any kind, especially historical research. For real scholars, disagreements and differences are opportunities for mutual enlightenment. Again, you just continue to attack me and disparge my abilities. Please post where I "treat any disagreement as a personal attack on myself?" Please show me a"real scholar" that has produced an article showing how the whole Prescott/Nazi thing has been deliberately lied about even up to recent times. Please show me another "real scholar" that has written about the link between the origins of the oil business and Skull Bones. And again, what the have you done except snipe cowardly from the shadows and throw out wild accusations. For cultists, differences and disagreements are occasions for bitter personal feuds and holy wars. Conspiracy theorizing is just an ego trip for them -- any facts
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/7/03 2:23:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Millegan, You and Ruppert, who appear to walk in lockstep, have repeatedly tried to characterize disagreements with the government of Israel as sly attacks on "the Jews," as anti-Semitic. In fact this campaign on your part sometimes seems to be the dominant theme of your agenda. This puts you squarely in the same camp with the Israeli government, AIPAC, Mossad, the ADL and a host of other related and interlocking organizations, some of which conduct clandestine political activities on the Internet. Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions about your behavior -- I know quite a few bright minds who made a decision on this matter a long time ago. Again, you put words in my mouth and actions that I do not do. More of your typical slander and disparagement. I have said all along that I beleive that the whole German/Jewish dialectic was set-up in the late 1700's to bloom later on. Basically a hatrack for dissension. Sides to choose. You say this puts me in the Israeli "camp." I disagree, I see the whole Israeli "thing" as a tarbaby act and dog and pony show for the complete hat trick/hoodwink.. again, you always have some anonymous "bright" supporters to disparage me, hunh Mcfraud? Does that make anybody who agrees with me "not bright?" I should point out that Mike Ruppert seems to have modified his views gradually. He began by attacking anyone who explored the Israeli angle on 911 as being an "anti-Semite." Since then I have seen him be much more open-minded, reasonable and factual on Israeli issues. I also think he is raising some important questions about peak oil. But there is this: isn't it a fact that Ruppert strongly supported Delmart Vreeland, someone who tried to disseminate to the world a forged letter blaming Iraq for 911? That raises all kinds of red flags. That forged letter brought to mind the forged note which tried to blame the 911 anthrax attacks on anti-Semitic Muslims. One is also reminded of the fact that the neocons tried to pin 911 on Iraq from day it occurred. There are a few puzzling issues here: 1. Who owns this list? What difference does that make? 2. Does William Shannon moderate the list? How did he come to moderate the list? No. 3. Do you approve of the views and editorial point of view of William Shannon? It is not for me to approve of his views. Mr. Will Shannon has shown by his actions to be an honorable human being. (More than I can say for you.) He is an editor, he brings viewpoints to the table. 4. Isn't it true that Shannon has posted many hundreds of documents in this list that are highly critical of Israel? Most of his contributions are quite solid and valuable, but I have never seen you complain about those posts. I wasn't complaining about your post, I just posted a comment about the bit that you highlighted in the begining of your post of an article. You have expanded the "engagement." At least you can tell your boss that there has been "engagement." Bye McFraud, remember you have no credibility, you are McFraud, particpant in the shameless use of forged email to try hijack the CIA-Drug list among other actions. I am no fan of Israel, or the actions going on in the Middle East. Personally, I think Jerusalem should be a sovereign international secular city municipality with arrangements of accommodation for all faiths. Peace, Om K Things just aren't adding up here. Some see, Some hear, Some live in the dark and fear. 0=2 1+1=3 And from that come all things. Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
help deconstruct pre and post 9-11 Bush fascism as "participating in a cover-up operation on behalf of the other major players." While you have done nothing but sow dissension and particpate in public-frauds using your fake persona. Michael Ruppert fell into the same trap by putting too much emphasis on the oil industry in explaining Bush's Iraq policy. After the war, with pipelines being sabotaged on a regular basis, we now understand why it is that so many oil industry leaders opposed the war. Oil has nothing to gain? Gee. I guess Haliburton is a cotton-candy support organization, among others? So were Cheney and crew lying before the war or were they just stupid or maybe both or maybe just being decietful in general? Quien sabé? Bush II is being driven by Zionist ideological fanatics, not by pragmatists. The big story in power elite politics these days is the secret civil war between the ideologues and the pragmatists. If you've been paying attention, you will have noticed that the ideologues are beginning to run into a few problems in recent months. That is your conspiracy theory, you believe the public pronouncements of liars, I do not. Cheers, McFraud. Peace, Om Kris - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples) -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/6/03 9:04:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PNAC, mostly a crusty, flinty-hearted gaggle of Iran-Contra perps such as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol and Lewis Libby, knew they would likely get but one shot at achieving world domination. The only thing lacking was a candidate who was impervious to human pain and suffering, and who viewed most constitutional laws and regulations as ploys of the vulnerable to set road blocks to progress. They needed a candidate whose lust for power and thirst for blood matched their own. When they looked around for an accomplice or, better yet, a puppet, to start the empirical ball rolling, it was only natural to consider the Brothers Bush. Yeah, it all begins with those guys, they are the bad guys, just forget about a hundred plus years of documentable historical corruption, manipulation and psy-war war directed at us hoi polloi and it wasn't those guys that got Bush in power. Your current approach is very "endearing," McFraud. Peace, Om To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- The bottom line: Anyone who disagrees with your thesis that Skull Bones is the supreme and sole master ofthe global conspiracy is going to be treated to a tirade of irrational name-calling, verbal abuse and slander. Skull Bones for you is of the nature of an emotional religious fixation. I've never once seen you try to engage in a calm, rational and fair-minded discussion about the relative power of various factions within the global power elite. For the most part you don't even know who the main players are. To address just a few of your misstatements: 1. Prove that YOU are not a member of a Cointelpro or ADL operation, along with Phoenix and others. Can you prove that you are not? Many people believe that you are, and with good reason. Making such a charge without a particle of evidence, however,is one of the sleaziest debating tactics in the book. 2. You have claimed that Bush Senior and his associates, including Brent Scowcroft,have actually supported the Iraq War and the policies being pushed by Ariel Sharon and the neocons. PROVE it. Where is your documentation and proof? For over two years, and after repeated requests andchallenges,you've produced absolutely nothing to support your argument -- just emotional verbalabuse. You can't begin to wrestle with the kind of solid research that has been produced by professional journalists like Jim Lobe. No doubt you will now accuse Jim Lobe of also being part of the Skull Bones conspiracy. 3. That Halliburton has profited from the Iraq War doesn't prove that the oil industry as a whole promoted the war. Again, PROVE that leading members of the oil industry promoted the war. It is true that the neocons, most of whom have no business experience at all, have had designs on Mideast oil for several decades (see, especially, Robert Tucker's famous article on the subject in Commentary in 1975). But the neocons are NOT the oil industry. The oil industry as a whole has sought to maintain good relations with Israel's neighbors, not alienate them. You can't pump and profit from oil on territory inhabited by an intensely hostile population. Witness the current mess with the oil pipelines in Iraq. 4. Is it possible to express disagreements with Michael Ruppert without being accused of "attacking" him? Ruppert started to arouse the curiosity of many people when he put all his eggs in the basket of Delmart Vreeland. He even circulated a message claiming that Vreeland had been poisoned by wine that had been sent him by Alan Greenspan. Apparently Ruppert is some kind of cult god for you -- he certainly isn't for folks who are capable of independent thinking and research, and who are better educated in history and politics than Ruppert. Much of Ruppert's research is valuable, but he makes mistakes occasionally, like the rest of us. I know quite a few researchers who are more knowledgeable about conspiracy politics than Ruppert, and who certainly know much more about oil politics than he does. 5. Far from believing that Israel is behind the majority of conspiratorial activities in the world, I've stated many times that I believe that Israel is largely a victim of the Octopus. The Octopus is afragile secretalliance of global criminal interests, many of which are neither Jewish nor Israeli. The Octopus, however, relies heavily on the cover of Zionism to pursue its goals. One of the key tactics the Octopus uses to fend off investigation and criticism is to accuse its critics of "anti-Semitism." Nice trick if you can get away with it, and they've been getting away with it for decades now. Conspiracy politics for you is much more a cult than it is for many Skull Bones members, I suspect. John Kerry, for instance, is capable of engaging in a reasonable debate, based on a rational analysis of objective facts. He doesn't fly off the handle every time his idee fixe is challenged. He took the trouble to get an education before he became a self-appointed expert on world politics. He's also produced some useful writings on elements of Octopus activities, including the Russian Mafia, money laundering, drug trafficking and the Iraq War. And, no, I am not supporting Kerry for president, nor do I treat him with any reverence. But you might pick up a few pointers on how to improve your style of communication from him. (Step number one: get an education before you start lecturing and hectoring the world.) - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples) www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-tru
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- George Bush Senior and his circle for the most part despise the neocons (and the PNAC), and the neocons despise them. The first group is Eurocentric and Atlanticist in its outlook, the latter Israelcentric and fanatically Zionist. From the standpoint of Bush Senior, it must feel like his son was brainwashed and hijacked by the enemy. He is bitterly disappointed by the behavior of his son, especially with regard to the disastrous Iraq War. Here we go, into fantasyland - McFraud is presenting a false dialectic designed to move history. If one is to buy his wash, then we have to choose between his two presented sides. One way to know that this is a false premise is by the very fact that it is being presented and allowed so much space in print. Your ignorance of fundamental history and politics is truly breathtaking, and you illustrate how weak minds are often strongly attracted to conspiracy politics. PROVE that George H. W. Bush and Jimmy Carter on the one hand share the same beliefs and objectives as Ariel Sharon and Yitzhak Shamir on the other. Please -- no sophomoric, pseudo-philosophical gobbledygook -- just well-documented facts from reliable sources, accurately and truthfully represented. Does the name Ray McGovern mean anything to you? Do you think that the current anger by much of the CIA against the Bush administration and the neocons is manufactured, part of your imaginary Hegelian dialectic? If you do think this, then prove it, here and now, with no flailing around and no name-calling. Let's see the relevant documents. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples) www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- Millegan, You and Ruppert, who appear to walk in lockstep, have repeatedly tried to characterize disagreements with the government of Israel as sly attacks on "the Jews," as anti-Semitic. In fact this campaign on your part sometimes seems to be the dominant theme of your agenda. This puts you squarely in the same camp with the Israeli government, AIPAC, Mossad, the ADL and a host of other related and interlocking organizations, some of which conduct clandestine political activities on the Internet. Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions about your behavior -- I know quite a few bright minds who made a decision on this matter a long time ago. I should point out that Mike Ruppert seems to have modified his views gradually. He began by attacking anyone who explored the Israeli angle on 911 as being an "anti-Semite." Since then I have seen him be much more open-minded, reasonable and factual on Israeli issues. I also think he is raising some importantquestions about peak oil. But there is this: isn't it a fact that Ruppert strongly supported Delmart Vreeland, someone who tried to disseminate to the world a forged letter blaming Iraq for 911? That raises all kinds of red flags. That forged letter brought to mind the forged note which tried to blame the 911 anthrax attacks on anti-Semitic Muslims. One is also reminded of the fact that the neocons tried to pin 911 on Iraq from day it occurred. There are a few puzzling issues here: 1. Who owns this list? 2. Does William Shannon moderate the list? How did he come to moderate the list? 3. Do you approve of the views and editorial point of view of William Shannon? 4. Isn't it true that Shannon has posted many hundreds of documents in this list that are highly critical of Israel? Most of his contributions are quite solid and valuable, but I have never seen you complain about those posts. Things just aren't adding up here. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples) -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/6/03 12:48:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/7/03 12:15:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- The bottom line: Anyone who disagrees with your thesis that Skull Bones is the supreme and sole master of the global conspiracy is going to be treated to a tirade of irrational name-calling, verbal abuse and slander. Bottom line: Here you go again putting words into my mouth and then attacking me and saying I am irrational, etc. I have never said that "SB is the supreme and sole master of the global conspiracy." Please post where I have. And again you never have faced the very real issue of your participation in two email forgeries. And how can I be calling you a name when McBride isn't your name, McFraud? If you feel slandered, please take me to court. You are a shill and a fraud, no name calling, strictly dictionary definition. Skull Bones for you is of the nature of an emotional religious fixation. I've never once seen you try to engage in a calm, rational and fair-minded discussion about the relative power of various factions within the global power elite. For the most part you don't even know who the main players are. Because, I care not to do your research for you and since you have shown the accuracy of yours. Remember when you informed us all that Sen. Graham from Florida was a member of Skull Bones? Well, he wasn't then and still isn't. But you still claim to know it all. Why should we believe you? You don't even have the courage of your own convictions. You idea of calm rational is boilerplate chatter circles. To address just a few of your misstatements: 1. Prove that YOU are not a member of a Cointelpro or ADL operation, along with Phoenix and others. Can you prove that you are not? Many people believe that you are, and with good reason. Making such a charge without a particle of evidence, however, is one of the sleaziest debating tactics in the book. So what's the misstatement? Proving a negative -gee didya learn that in school? Gee, I do not know why you waste all the time trying to be nice, here's the real deal. People that do not agree with you are agents. I didn't call you out untill I caught you, Eastman and webfairy redhanded using forged emails purporting to be from the late Brian Quig's emails in your blantant attempt to take-over CIA-Drugs and to besmirch my character. Your actions before and after reflect cointelpro activity. I have evidence in the very emails that were used and the cc lists and the testimony of known folk. Again you seem to think you are in some debate. You are an outed cointelpro action persona. Have you told your boss or do you try and BS them also? Who are these many people who believ this. You have already been caught in these type of lies before, where you have claimed to have spoken thoroughly with folks and then when posted the exchanges are not what you say. 2. You have claimed that Bush Senior and his associates, including Brent Scowcroft, have actually supported the Iraq War and the policies being pushed by Ariel Sharon and the neocons. PROVE it. Where is your documentation and proof? For over two years, and after repeated requests and challenges, you've produced absolutely nothing to support your argument -- just emotional verbal abuse. You can't begin to wrestle with the kind of solid research that has been produced by professional journalists like Jim Lobe. No doubt you will now accuse Jim Lobe of also being part of the Skull Bones conspiracy. Again, you put words in my mouth, please post where I "have claimed that Bush Senior and his associates, including Brent Scowcroft, have actually supported the Iraq War and the policies being pushed by Ariel Sharon and the neocons." If these guys wish to play games for us hoi polloi in public pronouncements, so be it. It doesn't mean I have to believe it. If I have acted as you say, then why do even care? Why do you wish for me to go around accusing folks. I don't know if you have noticed but I am a rather cautious guy and don't go around willy-nilly accussing folks of this or that and I have been involved with some very interesting folk now and then. You are a fraud and I felt it was good to call that to folks attention once again. If you want to continue with delivering "endearing" articles that is fine, but please do not ever feel that I will forget your actions concerning the late Mr. Quig's emails 3. That Halliburton has profited from the Iraq War doesn't prove that the oil industry as a whole promoted the war. Again, PROVE that leading members of the oil industry promoted the war. It is true that the neocons, most of whom have no business experience at all, have had designs on Mideast oil for several decades (see, especially, Robert Tucker's famous article on the subject in Commentary in 1975). But the neocons are NOT the oil industry. The oil industry as a whole has sought to maintain good relations with Israel's neighbors, not alienate
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- According to reliable sources, Millegan, YOU were the source of those forged messages, and it was part of a Cointelpro-style operation of which you are a part. You haven't been able to find a single person to support you in your false and slanderous charges, and your fellow Cointelpro operatives are afraid to come out of the shadows to prop you up for fear of being exposed and being tainted by you. That's what some people in the know are saying. Why not fess up? Feel free to take all this to court, and we can sort it all out. As you know, I maintain dated, nonrewritable CD records of all my communications, and I am happy to put all that documentation on the table. Many people have come to the conclusion that your gambit with the "forged" messages was part of an effort to shut down anyquestions about the circumstances of Brian Quig's death. Now, who would be in a hurry to rule out the possible assassination angle on Quig? Well, his possible assassins, for one. With regard to "disparaging" you: haven't you ever participated in a graduate seminar at a first-rate university, and engaged in vigorous give-and-take with others in the spirit of friendly truth-seeking? Actually, what is your educational background exactly? Is it safe to say you don't have a degree in any field related to history? Yes? No? You don't come across as someone who does. You seem to have had no experience in historical and scholarly discussion and debate. You treat any disagreement as a personal attack on yourself. This is not the way intelligent people conduct conspiracy research, or research of any kind, especially historical research. For real scholars, disagreements and differences are opportunities for mutual enlightenment. For cultists, differences and disagreements are occasions for bitter personal feuds and holy wars. Conspiracy theorizing is just an ego trip for them -- any facts which threatens their theory threatens to shatter their ego and sense of self. This is why they become very angry and hostile when their views are challenged. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples) -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/7/03 12:15:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/6/03 9:04:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PNAC, mostly a crusty, flinty-hearted gaggle of Iran-Contra perps such as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol and Lewis Libby, knew they would likely get but one shot at achieving world domination. The only thing lacking was a candidate who was impervious to human pain and suffering, and who viewed most constitutional laws and regulations as ploys of the vulnerable to set road blocks to progress. They needed a candidate whose lust for power and thirst for blood matched their own. When they looked around for an accomplice or, better yet, a puppet, to start the empirical ball rolling, it was only natural to consider the Brothers Bush. Yeah, it all begins with those guys, they are the bad guys, just forget about a hundred plus years of documentable historical corruption, manipulation and psy-war war directed at us hoi polloi and it wasn't those guys that got Bush in power. Your current approach is very "endearing," McFraud. Peace, Om K To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples)
-Caveat Lector- If you've got a problem with the article, take it up with Sheila Samples, the author. I don't agree with the full content of every article I post, or even with the main content, but I do think this was an interesting article. George Bush Senior and his circle for the most part despise the neocons (and the PNAC), and the neocons despise them. The first group is Eurocentric and Atlanticist in its outlook, the latter Israelcentric and fanatically Zionist. From the standpoint of Bush Senior, it must feel like his son was brainwashed and hijacked by the enemy. He is bitterly disappointed by the behavior of his son, especially with regard to the disastrous Iraq War. A mountain of documentation has been posted by me and others analyzing this major rift within the power elite. You should make an effort to study it sometime. No realexpert onglobal power elite politics would be ignorant of these basic facts of life. There is much more to global power elite politics than Skull Bones -- SB is just one piece of the puzzle, and not necessarily the most important piece. Your one-trick pony routine with Skull Bones makes it appear sometimes like you are participating in a cover-up operation on behalf of the other major players. It certainly undermines the strength of your analysis when you are trying to figure out something like the Iraq War and PNAC plans for World War IV. Michael Ruppert fell into the sametrap by putting too much emphasis on the oil industry in explaining Bush's Iraq policy. After the war, with pipelines being sabotaged on a regular basis, we nowunderstand why it is that so many oil industry leaders opposed the war. Bush II is being driven by Zionist ideological fanatics, not by pragmatists. The big story in power elite politics these days is the secret civil war between the ideologues and the pragmatists. If you've been paying attention, you will have noticed that the ideologues are beginning to run into a few problems in recent months. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Dubya - The Perfect PNAC Presidential Puppet (Sheila Samples) -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/6/03 9:04:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PNAC, mostly a crusty, flinty-hearted gaggle of Iran-Contra perps such as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, Richard Perle, Bill Kristol and Lewis Libby, knew they would likely get but one shot at achieving world domination. The only thing lacking was a candidate who was impervious to human pain and suffering, and who viewed most constitutional laws and regulations as ploys of the vulnerable to set road blocks to progress. They needed a candidate whose lust for power and thirst for blood matched their own. When they looked around for an accomplice or, better yet, a puppet, to start the empirical ball rolling, it was only natural to consider the Brothers Bush.Yeah, it all begins with those guys, they are the bad guys, just forget about a hundred plus years of documentable historical corruption, manipulation and psy-war war directed at us hoi polloi and it wasn't those guys that got Bush in power. Your current approach is very "endearing," McFraud.Peace, OmKTo UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2" www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
