[CTRL] The Turing Game

[Tatman, Robert]

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http://www.cc.gatech.edu/elc/turing/
Do men and women behave differently online? Can you tell who is a man and
who is a woman on the Internet based on how they interact with others? Can
you tell how old someone is, or determine their race or national origin? In
the online world as in the real world, issues of personal identity affect
how we relate to others. Culture in online environments is created by these
understandings and misunderstandings. As the net grows not only in size but
in diversity, we must take these issues into account as designers and
citizens of this new medium.
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[CTRL] Simple test will let shoppers check produce for GM content

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http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/09/05/stiinnnws01007.html?19023
95
September 5 1999INNOVATION
Genetic modification
Simple test will let shoppers check produce for GM content

AN INSTANT test for GM foods could soon allow shopkeepers and customers to
check whether produce is totally free of modified crops, writes Roger Dobson
.
One of the problems with GM products is that it is difficult to tell them
apart from natural foods. Many processed foods thought to be GM-free have
been found to contain small amounts of engineered material.
It is possible to carry out DNA tests to spot the difference in the crop
gene, but that is time-consuming, expensive and often impractical.
The new test, developed by Strategic Diagnostics of Delaware in America,
adapts the kind of antibody technology first used in DIY pregnancy kits to
track down the genetically modified crops.
The key to the success of the tests is that crops that have been genetically
engineered produce a different type of protein. A plant engineered to be
resistant to a specific insect, for instance, will express a protein toxic
to that pest. With a herbicide-resistant crop, the plant will express a
protein that de-activates the effect of the chemical.
The test developed by Strategic Diagnostics measures these proteins, which
would not be expressed by a normal plant. One test can measure the actual
amount of protein in the sample, while the other is a yes-no litmus-paper
type test that simply shows in minutes whether there is any GM food present.

Don Durandetta, business manager for agricultural products at Strategic
Diagnostics, says that unlike DNA tests, which are looking for the gene that
creates the protein, the new test measures the protein directly and is much
faster.
He says: "The yes-no test takes only four or five minutes to give a result.
It is essentially the same format as a standard home-pregnancy kit."
The testing strip contains antibodies that are specific to the protein being
looked for. On one side is a monoclonal antibody and on the other a
polyclonal antibody. Attached to one of them is a colour marker.
When the strip is immersed in the crop sample that has been mixed with water
to make it fluid, the sample flows along a line between the arrays of
antibodies.  When the protein to which the antibodies react passes along the
line, the antibodies on either side close in and form a sandwich, triggering
the marker and changing the colour of the strip.
"It is a simple yes-no sandwich assay test and the only way you can end up
with a coloured strip is if both antibodies respond and a sandwich forms to
change the colour, and that shows that there is transgenic protein present.
This particular test doesn't tell you how much there is, just whether or not
there is any present in the sample.
"The first applications are at the producer end. Our biggest market at
present is the quick yes-no test, which can screen trucks as they roll up
from the farm. You can test a truck while it is still on the scales. You can
take raw grain out of trucks as they arrive, grind it up, shake it up with
water, take a sample and drop a strip in. It takes three or four minutes and
the whole process, including gathering the sample, takes six minutes."
The company is currently testing the effectiveness of the strips on
processed products. If found to be useful, this could lead to a consumer
version that could quickly tell shoppers if food contains any kind of
GM-modified ingredients.
One of the advantages for food producers is that the test will allow them to
guarantee that there is no GM material in their crops. For food suppliers
and shops, it means that they will be better able to put similar guarantees
on processed-food packaging.
Eventually, the antibody technology could be applied to many other forms of
GM food as they start to come onto the market.
With new GM legislation likely in Europe, Japan and America, the tests could
protect producers from legal action where food that is meant to be GM-free
is found to have a transgenic content.
It would also mean that such food would not have to be junked as was the
case in America when thousands of boxes of organic crisps were destroyed
because the corn used had been accidentally contaminated by a crop from a
neighbouring field of transgenic plants.
Copyright (c) 1999 Times Newspapers Ltd.

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[CTRL] Privacy is Not Doomed

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http://www.techreview.com/articles/oct99/dertouzos.htm
Michael Dertouzos * The People's Computer
Privacy is Not Doomed
I almost fell out of my chair when the politicians asked the technologists
to solve the privacy issue!
The china at the electronic-spy agency's dining room was exquisite, as was
the meal. Ron Rivest, inventor of the RSA approach to public cryptography,
and I were having lunch with the National Security Agency's director, Bobby
Inman. We were trying to impress on him that the forthcoming growth of the
Information Marketplace would create severe privacy problems and the agency
should extend the role of cryptography from ensuring secure communications
within the U.S. government (and breakable ones outside it) to protecting the
privacy of U.S. citizens and organizations, with approaches like RSA. The
admiral didn't believe us-our claims of a widely interconnected civilian
world in the '90s sounded like pie in the sky. Twenty-five years later, in
April 1999, at the other extreme, The Economist proclaimed on its cover "The
End of Privacy."
Under-reaction then! Over-reaction now!
No doubt, the technologies of information can be used to attack our privacy.
But they can also be used to protect it. For example, if we agreed that
everyone using the Internet did so under the RSA regime of creating and
using their own public and private keys, we would end up with secure
communications and files and the ability to digitally sign contracts and
checks as effectively as we do now by hand. This high level of personal
privacy would, however, preclude governments from legally tapping a
suspect's private data and would also prevent anonymity-thereby angering
Right and Left simultaneously. If we don't like this outcome, we have
technologies on hand to establish nearly any desired blend of personal
privacy, anonymity and governmental intervention.
Such cryptographic approaches would not stop companies with which you do
business from selling personal data you give them, corrupting it, or
tracking Web sites you frequent. Not to worry. There is technology around to
handle these problems, as well: A scheme called P3P, developed by the World
Wide Web Consortium, places software within your browser and in the Web
sites of vendors. In a P3P personal profile, which you write once, you
specify the personal information you are willing to give away along with
what others are allowed to do with it. A similar script in the vendor's
software identifies the personal information the vendor requires and its
planned disposition. These two pieces of software "shake hands" prior to
every business transaction and allow it to proceed only if both privacy
declarations are satisfied. In a variation of this scheme, governments can
introduce absolute privacy policies, by requiring, for example, a minimal
level of privacy in the P3P profile of every citizen.
These examples accurately suggest that we have enough technology around to
provide nearly any level of privacy we want. But what do we want? In the
United States, consumers have become accustomed to treating privacy as a
tradable commodity-we don't mind giving some of it away to get the goods and
services we desire. Vendors are pushing for this approach because they are
moving away from mass marketing to one-on-one selling, and are therefore
anxious to build intimate knowledge of individual interests and habits.
To most non-Americans, however, privacy is not a tradable commodity but an
inalienable right that must be guaranteed and protected, especially in the
case of minors. The European Union, flexing its muscle, recently threatened
to forbid its citizenry from doing electronic commerce with organizations
(read U.S.) that do not meet a minimal threshold of absolute privacy
guarantees. They have since backed down and gone to committee, as they and
their American partners search for common ground. Last February at the World
Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, a few industrialists tried to
establish a voluntary code under which vendors would give you, upon request,
all personal information they have on you, explain what they plan to do with
it, and correct it if asked. Adoption of this code seemed a small and
achievable step, but it failed to pass. The American vendors saw it as an
expensive and difficult proposition to implement, and a potential leak of
their marketing approaches to adversaries.
Clearly, we disagree about the kind of privacy we want. And we don't seem
serious enough about reaching agreement-at that same meeting in Davos, I
almost fell out of my chair when several world leaders asked the
technologists present to "go figure out a solution to the privacy problems
you brought upon us!" This abrogation of what should be a central
responsibility of politicians and legislators must stop.
Let's not surrender our privacy to the big lie of technological
inevitability. Let us, instead, augment the debates of privacy specialists,
with a far broader discussion 

Re: [CTRL] Luke Ford- JFK Jr. A Homo

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

> -Original Message-
> From: William Shannon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 6:07 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Luke Ford- JFK Jr. A Homo
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 9/10/99 6:51:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> << > William Shannon wrote:
>  >
>  > >  -Caveat Lector-
>  > >
>  > > How is JFK Jr like a penguin? Both are cute but can't fly. >>
>
>
> Hey!!! Wait a minute here...I DIDN'T write the above quote...just
> forwarded
> it! I'M "cute"...ask my wife! JFKjr. cute?? Not unless you like looking at
> fishfood...I prefer looking at Elenor Mondale...SHE'S CUTE!
>
> Bill.
>
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Re: [CTRL] SWAT Nation

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And which segment of the populace will rise first--will it be the ghettos,
whose inmates can be easily identified and isolated...or the suburbs? It
does not pay to underestimate middle-class rage. The two greatest
revolutions prior to the 20th century, the American and French revolutions,
were middle-class affairs...and the middle class is being royally screwed by
the Oligarchy today.

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 9:20 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] SWAT Nation
>

> The rank and file of the Dark Side of the Force in the fortress called
> "government" are clearly arming themseles against the inevitable revolt of
> the peasants, knowing well that the People, having been betrayed* by their
> ruling class after the FIRST attempt at liberty in the American
> Revolution,
> can now be expected to try again --with the added element of revenge-- in
> a
> mass uprising more like the FRENCH Revolution.  Because, as in 18th
> Century
> France, Hell hath no fury like a whole citizenry seduced and abandoned ...


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Re: [CTRL] Arming Up in the Pacific Rim

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So who's writing the scenario here--Tom Clancy? Sounds like the plot of
*Debt of Honor*. Hmm...watch India...

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 5:13 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Arming Up in the Pacific Rim
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>  Could be one of the predictable side-effects of last year's "Asian
> Flu"
> ...
>
>
> Japan Strengthening Its Forces
>
> By GINNY PARKER
> .c The Associated Press
>
> TOKYO (AP) - Since the end of World War II, Japan has kept its military on
> a
> short leash, guided by a constitution that renounces war and popular
> sentiment against a powerful military.
>
> But policymakers appear to be having a change of heart - and their
> decisions
> could have a major impact on the region's often tenuous balance of power.
>
> Japan has embarked on an ambitious strengthening of its own forces,
> seeking
> everything from spy satellites to a mid-air refueler for its jet fighter
> fleet.
>


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Re: [CTRL] Rumbles from Mt. Etna

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Well, in that case, "the end" has been at hand for something on the order of
5,000 years or so. During Archaic Greek times, Etna was said to be the
workshop of divine smiths such as the Kuklopes (Cyclops) and the Telkhines;
Classical myth made it the domain of Hephaistos and Vulcan.

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 6:34 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Rumbles from Mt. Etna
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>  One of the main signs of "the end," according to Edgar Cayce ...
>
>
> Mt. Etna Spews Smoke, Lava
>
> CATANIA, Sicily (AP) - Mt. Etna spewed lava and smoke again Sunday,
> thrilling
> tourists visiting the venerable volcano and sprinkling cities on the
> slopes
> with ash and debris.
>


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Re: [CTRL] PeoplesRepublic of Calif expands homo rights

[Tatman, Robert]

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What's the matter? Afraid they'll turn you into one of them? No one is
forcing you or anyone else to become homosexual...just saying bluntly that
lesbians and gays have the same rights as straights.

> -Original Message-
> From: Bard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 3:33 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] PeoplesRepublic of Calif expands homo rights
>
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>
> Brothers and Sisters, Seems I'll have to join the hetero flight to Idaho.
> lol
> Bard
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] PBS PREZ RESIGNS

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My take on this, as a former nonprofit executive, is that almost all of the
PBS stations involved were using third-party brokers who shopped their
mailing lists to interested parties. I don't like having my name and address
sold to someone without my explicit permission; this form of fundraising
bugs the hell out of me, and has for years. But in an era when business and
corporate types dominate the boards of nonprofits (cf. the Pacifica
Foundation flap for an example), the mailing list becomes just a commodity,
part of the station's "goodwill." If anyone is really to blame in this mess,
it's the brokers, who never stopped to think that they might be endangering
the Federal funding of the stations involved, as well as the board members,
who obviously have not been exercising proper oversight over the operations,
especially the fundraising, of the stations.

> -Original Message-
> From: Prudence L. Kuhn [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 8:49 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] PBS PREZ RESIGNS
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 09/11/1999 10:00:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << The BOSTON GLOBE is reporting on Friday that an inspector
>  general's report looking into the Public Broadcasting System's
>  donor list controversy has concluded that only one party benefitted
>  from the list giveaway -- the Democratic Party.
>  The report, released Thursday, concluded that out of 183 public TV
>  and 408 public radio stations, 53 of them, or 9%, made their lists
>  available to political groups. >>
>
> This is so funny.  Why hasn't it occurred to anyone that PBS like any
> other
> outfit that sells its donor lists can only sell to someone who offers to
> buy
> it.  Most people who watch and donate to PBS are rather intelligent
> (therefore liberal?).  If they are Democrats, so be it.  The Republican
> Party
> obviously didn't offer to buy the list and probably wouldn't have wasted
> postage money sending it out.  What a crock this all is.  Prudy
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Coping with Africa's Aids disaster

[Tatman, Robert]

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Alarming to whom? A while back, we had a lengthy dialogue on CTRL about the
NWO and population control. One idea proposed was that the NWO wants access
to the mineral resources of Africa without having to deal with the local
inhabitants, as well as to prevent further damage to fragile ecosystems
which they consider more important than human societies; according to this
hypothesis, AIDS was deliberately introduced, taking advantage of African
sexual customs, to wipe out the human population while leaving the flora and
fauna untouched. Speculative? Of course. Internal contradictions? Nothing
like 'em...they keep the opposition on its toes... But it does fit the
facts.

> -Original Message-
> From: Hilary A. Thomas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 12:53 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Coping with Africa's Aids disaster
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_444000/444974.stm
>
> "Southern Africa is now at the epicentre of new infections. Almost a
> quarter of adults in Botswana, Namibia, Swaziland and Zimbabwe are HIV
> positive and in South Africa there are an estimated 1,500 new infections
> every day."
>
> These are alarming figures.
>
> Hilary
>


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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

[Tatman, Robert]

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Wow. We have green fluorescent monkeys, and now fluorescent potatoes...will
the fluorescing carry over to the tuber? Will we be able to feed our
fluorescent monkeys fluorescent potatoes? How about glow-in-the-dark french
fries? luminescent potato chips? The possibilities are endless...

>># Fluorescent GM potatoes say 'water me'. (BBC) A potato
genetically-modif-
  ied with jellyfish genes which glows when it needs watering is created by
  Edinburgh scientists. The team believes the genetically-modified (GM)
  plant will prevent overwatering at time when the world's water resources
  are being more & more heavily used. And they're easy to pick in the dark.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/specials/sheffield_99/newsid_44600
0/446837.stm

: Would you like to be gene-engineered so that you glow when you need food,
water, sleep, sex, drugs, punishment? Should we be color-coded? Is you
blue?<<
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Re: [CTRL] SWAT Nation

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Perhaps we need a new amendment to the U.S. Constitution, along the lines of
"Full information being essential to the freedom and security of the nation,
the right of the people to keep and hack programs shall not be
infringed."...

> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 6:25 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] SWAT Nation
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
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> - Original Message -
> From: Tatman, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > And which segment of the populace will rise first--will it be the
> > ghettos, whose inmates can be easily identified and isolated...or
> > the suburbs? It does not pay to underestimate middle-class rage.
> > The two greatest revolutions prior to the 20th century, the American
> > and French revolutions, were middle-class affairs...and the middle
> > class is being royally screwed by the Oligarchy today.
>
> Also, assumptions are made as to how such a "rising" would occur,
> ie that firearms would be involved.  A successful modern revolt
> IMHO is more likely to involve the efforts of hackers/crackers
> attacking the information infrastructure - going for the brains'n'
> nerves, rather than just wasting meatware [people] in fruitless
> armed conflict.  People who think that firearms will bring down
> the US gov't just don't appreciate the forces/complexity involved.
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Buchanan rethinks GOP run [cfr tc]

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I am more than halfway convinced that John Hinckley actually *did* either
kill or incapacitate Reagan, and that an actor (!!) was subsequently used to
impersonate him in public. Under this hypothesis, the famous "I am in
control" outburst by Alexander Haig suggests a power struggle between two
Illuminati/NWO factions in the administration, which Bush won. Following his
"retirement," the false Reagan was gradually withdrawn from public view, and
his "Alzheimer's" thus provides cover for terminating the impersonation and
the impersonator.

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 10:27 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Buchanan rethinks GOP run [cfr tc]
>


> A comment about Reagan and his appointment of CFR and others to
> positions
> in his government.  In my view, which at least has anecdotal evidence in
> support of it, Reagan was forced to take Bush as a running mate, or lose
> the
> election.  When Reagan got in he MAY (I repeat, MAY) have intended to not
> appoint CFR's and TC's but was forced to do so by two factors.  One:  Bush
> sent a message to Reagan via John Hinckley Jr that he (Bush) was really
> running the show, and to do other than carry on the NWO agenda and the
> infiltration of government by these types would not be healthy.  Two:
> There
> are just not that many people with the "proper qualifications" for
> positions
> that DO NOT belong to these organizations.  Of course, the latter can be
> seen
> in several different lights.
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] 9/9/99 Cultists Murdered Amid Doomsday No-Show (fwd)

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Jeez, all the Millerites did in 1843 (not certain of the date), when their
leader's prophecies of the Second Coming failed, was to go off and found the
Seventh-Day Adventist church! (Their prophet, William Miller, instructed
them to go up on their rooftops dressed in white gowns to await the Rapture.
The first time, they waited for something like three days; then he
recalibrated his timeline, and they tried again, obviously without result.
After the third failure, Miller wandered off in disgrace, and some of his
followers wound up founding the Adventist church. Needless to say, the
Adventists are NOT very fond of this part of their history...)

> -Original Message-
> From: MICHAEL SPITZER [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 8:29 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] 9/9/99 Cultists Murdered Amid Doomsday No-Show (fwd)
>
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>
> From:
>
> http://news.excite.com/news/r/990913/08/odd-indonesia-cult
>
>
> Cultists Killed Amid Doomsday No-Show
>
> Updated 8:01 AM ET September 13, 1999
>
> JAKARTA (Reuters) - Three Indonesian cult members were beaten to
> death by fellow cultists when the 9/9/99 doomsday prediction
> failed to materialize, the Jakarta Post said Monday.
> Like many cults across the country, members were told to prepare
> for the end of the world at 9 a.m. on September 9. They sold
> their personal possessions and for nine days before the big day,
> locked themselves up in their homes.
>
> When nothing happened, the cult members lost control, the
> newspaper said.
>
> "The members were really mad," said Saadi Arsam, village chief of
> Sukmajaya, east Java.
>
> Police are investigating.
>

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Re: [CTRL] FW: Spider Warnings 9-13-99

[Tatman, Robert]

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From:
http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/blspider.htm?pid=2733&cob=home



 Guide's note:  Don't panic. This is just a joke. It gives itself away in
the
 first sentence: "According to an article by Dr. Beverly Clark, in the
Journal
 of the United Medical Association (JUMA)..."

 There is no such journal. There is no "United Medical Association," period.

 There have been no news reports of spider-caused deaths among air
 travelers in Chicago.

 There is no "Blare Airport" in Chicago (try O'Hare International Airport).
 There's no restaurant called "Big Chappies."

 There is no known species called arachnius gluteus (apparently intended
 to be translated as "butt spider").

 There is such a thing as a blush spider, but guess what - it's a
 cosmetological term referring to patches of tiny varicose veins on the
 surface of the skin.

 If you're attacked by one of these, I'd recommend calling a plastic surgeon
 rather than the exterminator... unless, of course, you want to be the
"butt"
 of this Internet joke.

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> From: Fransy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> Subject:  [CTRL] FW:  Spider Warnings   9-13-99
>
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>
> Officer Sylvia Steele
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> 5201 University Blvd.
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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

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Will we glow if we *pass* water? What about mouth-breathers...will the glow
from their innards keep bedmates awake? Inquiring minds want to know...

> -Original Message-
> From: Amelia K Edgeman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 4:36 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Bob,
> Will WE glow in the dark if we eat them?  Will we only glow if we need
> water?  Can us use our glow for a night light or reading in bed?  I think
> this poses more questions than it answers.
> Amelia
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tatman, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Wow. We have green fluorescent monkeys, and now fluorescent
> potatoes...will
> > the fluorescing carry over to the tuber? Will we be able to feed our
> > fluorescent monkeys fluorescent potatoes? How about glow-in-the-dark
> french
> > fries? luminescent potato chips? The possibilities are endless...
> >
> > >># Fluorescent GM potatoes say 'water me'. (BBC) A potato
> > genetically-modif-
> >   ied with jellyfish genes which glows when it needs watering is created
> by
> >   Edinburgh scientists. The team believes the genetically-modified (GM)
> >   plant will prevent overwatering at time when the world's water
> resources
> >   are being more & more heavily used. And they're easy to pick in the
> dark.
> >
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/specials/sheffield_99/newsid_446
> 00
> > 0/446837.stm
> >
> > : Would you like to be gene-engineered so that you glow when you need
> food,
> > water, sleep, sex, drugs, punishment? Should we be color-coded? Is you
> > blue?<<
> > ===
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Re: [CTRL] Pot and Anti-Psychotic Prescription Drugs

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

I don't know about Ritalin. I do know that Prozac has been a godsend for my
wife, who went through a major depression about five years ago. It took
several weeks on Haldol and a month of hospitalization to bring her out of
the depression, and Prozac has kept her from falling back. I'm not saying
that Prozac is any sort of panacea. It's not for everyone. It may work best
for people whose depression is associated with obsessive-compulsive
tendencies, as my wife's was. But it HAS worked for her. She is literally a
different person, and we are both amazed at the way she has emerged from her
depression, almost like a butterfly emerging from a chrysalis.

I *do* have some experience with marijuana, and have to say that it is
pointless to compare it with the psychiatric drugs. The effect, as far I can
tell, is utterly different; they seek different receptors in the brain. The
distinction might be expressed this way: psychoactive drugs change the
brain's activity by *adding* something that was not there before;
psychiatric drugs change the brain's activity by either adding something
that should have been there but wasn't, or by replacing something that was
there but should not have been. That, at least, is my educated layperson's
sense of what's going on.

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>
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>
> Someone in usenet asked this question and my response turned into
> something that I wanted to share here.
>
> Someone asked:
>
> > Does anyone know what the interactions are between pot and psychiatric
> > drugs, such as Ritalin or Prozac?
>


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[CTRL] Zapatistas Demand Demilitarized Zone

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Politics-Mexico: Zapatistas Demand Demilitarized Zone
MEXICO CITY, (Sep. 13) IPS - Four Zapatistas from the southern state of
Chiapas arrived in the capital yesterday to demand the demilitarization of
the conflict area, a point they say was sidestepped by the government peace
plan released last week.
The Zapatista representatives, who use the noms de guerre of Gabriel, Marin,
Luisa and Veronica, will go to the lower house of parliament to denounce the
consequences of military presence in the Chiapas, they said when they
arrived in Mexico City.
The Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN), which first took up arms on
Jan. 1, 1994 in defense of indigenous rights, has not yet acknowledged
receipt of the government's invitation for dialogue five days after it was
issued.
Unarmed and with their faces covered with bandannas, the indigenous EZLN
representatives arrived last night from the Amador Hernandez community,
epicenter of the most recent outbreak of strife in conflict-ridden Chiapas.
The community is located at the heart of the Zapatista territory, and was
the scene of confrontations that left seven soldiers and two indigenous
people injured two weeks ago.
The government had to suspend construction of a highway crossing Amador
Hernandez 15 days ago due to protests by indigenous peoples who accuse the
government of building roads in order to step up the military presence in
the area.
Without the publicity that has characterized previous Zapatista visits to
the nation's capital, the four will tell the chamber how the presence of
more than 50,000 government soldiers in Chiapas is affecting the area's
residents, stated Luisa.
The legislators will hear how women and children live in fear of the
soldiers and how the military has contaminated water supplies, destroyed
forests and illegally taken possession of land that is community property,
Luisa declared.
Mairead Maguire, 1977 Nobel Prize winner from Northern Ireland, said
yesterday that the removal of the military from Chiapas is a fundamental
requirement for achieving peace in the region.
At the end of her four-day visit to Zapatista communities, Maguire declared
that "a road cannot be built towards peace if the people are afraid."
In Chiapas, much like what occurred in Northern Ireland, according to
Maguire "nothing can be done until the weapons are removed from the area."
Maguire clarified that she did not travel to Mexico "to give lessons, but to
humbly listen, learn and share."
The peace activist affirmed, however, that the divergent points of view of
the EZLN and the Ernesto Zedillo government make international mediation
essential.
"That is how it occurred in Northern Ireland's conflicts, and in those of
the Middle East, for example," she said.
International organizations do not participate in order to impose
strategies, but to "demonstrate solidarity and to help discover new forms of
creativity and peaceful resistance," Maguire explained.
But the Zedillo government rejects foreign mediation, arguing that the
Mexican people are capable of resolving their own problems.
Maguire met with representatives from indigenous and religious
non-governmental organizations, but she was not received by the Chiapas
state government.
The activist announced that she will draft a report on Chiapas to be given
to the secretary-general of the United Nations, and she congratulated the
Mexican government on its most recent peace proposal given to the EZLN.
Three years after the Zapatistas abandoned negotiations with government
authorities, the government ministry called upon the rebel group to renew
dialogue.
The EZLN had suspended its contacts with the government after it rejected
their proposed bill on indigenous rights and culture, drafted by a
legislative commission, and based on the San Andres agreements that both
sides had signed.
The government proposed that the Zapatistas come up with a new intermediary
measure and take steps towards the release of Zapatistas prisoners who were
not involved in serious crimes, among other measures that would ease
tensions.
Still without responding to the government's new proposal, the EZLN sent the
small delegation to Mexico City, which plans to participate in the 189th
anniversary celebration of the country's independence.
The Zapatistas will take part in the festival on Sept. 15 celebrating the
"grito" -- or shout -- with which Catholic priest Miguel Hidalgo called upon
the Mexican people to fight the Spanish conquistadores.
The commemoration will be held at the campus of Mexico's university, which
has been on strike for the last four months.
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[CTRL] Crime Can Be Addictive -- British Psychologist

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

NOW we begin to see why politicians keep running for re-election... Power
addicts, and absolute power addicts absolutely...
===
Crime Can Be Addictive -- British Psychologist
SHEFFIELD, England,  Sept 15 (Reuters) - Crime, just like
alcohol, cigarettes and cocaine can become addictive, a British
psychologist said on Wednesday.
Greed, revenge and jealousy are motives that can account for
some criminal activity but they don't explain why some people
continue their life of crime despite the high probability of
getting caught.
 "Addiction is an active psychological process for the
pursuit of happiness," psychologist John Hodge told a news
conference at a British science conference.
Hodge, the head of patient therapy at Rampton Hospital, a
secure psychiatric hospital in northern England, said repeat
offenders such as serial killers, rapists and arsonists may be
committing the same crimes again and again because of the
feeling that is produced by the act.
"The criminal activity can itself become an end in itself
with no other purpose than to help the perpetrator feel
better," he said.
Repeat offenders also have many of the characteristics of
addiction. They can't stop themselves from doing it. They
realise it is wrong. They think about it all the time and they
need more to get the same effect.
Hodge said the recognition that crime can be an addiction
could improve understanding of criminal behaviour and open up
new avenues for rehabilitation.
"When people are separated from their addictive behaviour
the addiction can be maintained through a fantasy life," he
said, adding that prisoners should not spend many hours of the
day in their cells.
Copyright 1999 Reuters .All rights
reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
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[CTRL] New Boulder County grand jury unlikely to work on Ramsey case

[Tatman, Robert]

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New Boulder County grand jury unlikely to work on Ramsey case
September 15, 1999
Web posted at: 1:41 p.m. EDT (1741 GMT)
>From staff and wire reports
BOULDER, Colorado (CNN) -- A new Boulder County grand jury will be seated
September 29, without prequalifying to work on the JonBenet Ramsey case,
according to the Boulder County District Attorney's office.
The new panel will replace a jury that has been considering the Ramsey
slaying and unrelated crimes for nearly 18 months. When that panel was
seated, its members were questioned extensively about the 1996 slaying.
"Unlike the 1998-1999 grand jury, these jurors will not ... be qualified to
investigate the homicide of JonBenet Ramsey," said Suzanne Laurion,
spokeswoman for District Attorney Alex Hunter .
Asked if the new grand jury could work on the JonBenet case, Laurion said,
"The possibility is there, but it is remote."
Last week, 140 summonses were sent to prospective jurors. Boulder County
Assistant District Attorney Phil Miller will be the prosecutor assigned to
the 1999-2000 grand jury.
Laurion said the appointment of a new grand jury was required by state
statute and has nothing to do with the current grand jury investigation into
the death of JonBenet Ramsey.
The former "Little Miss Colorado" was found beaten and strangled in the
basement of her family's million-dollar home in Boulder, Colorado.
The 6-year-old girl's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey -- who have since moved
to Atlanta -- insist they had no part in the death, but Hunter has said they
remain under an "umbrella of suspicion."
Nearly $2 million has been spent in the investigation into the girl's death
and no arrests have been made.
The first grand jury's term started last September and will expire October
20. It has been extended once, and, by law, cannot be extended again.
Producer Betty Anderson and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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[CTRL] New Kosovo Corps Is a Civilian Unit, Its Western Backers Say

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New Kosovo Corps Is a Civilian Unit, Its Western Backers Say
PRISTINA, Yugoslavia (AP) -- Former Kosovo Liberation Army fighters and
others will be recruited to form a new force called the Kosovo Corps,
shortly after the ethnic Albanian rebel group is disbanded this weekend,
international officials said Wednesday
Western backers describe the Kosovo Corps as a civilian unit meant to help
rebuild the war-ravaged region and deal with natural disasters or other
emergencies. But Serbia and its ally, Russia, fear the group is simply a new
guise for the ethnic Albanian guerrilla army that fought to rid the province
of Serb forces.
The International Organization for Migration, which is helping in the
transformation of the KLA, said it will begin accepting applications for the
new "civilian emergency and humanitarian force" on Monday -- one day after
the deadline for the demilitarization of the KLA.
The organization has already registered 10,700 former KLA fighters for "a
reintegration program aimed at helping them to return to a normal civilian
life" and for possible membership in the Kosovo Corps, the IOM said in a
statement.
The Kosovo Corps will have 5,000 members, including 3,000 who will serve
full-time and the others as part-time reservists, the statement said.
Even after demilitarization, "the KLA has a chance to be a force for good,
to contribute to the rebuilding of Kosovo," NATO spokesman Ole Irgens said.
He urged Albanian community leaders and the KLA "to exercise real
leadership, to stop the killing, the burning of houses and the intimidation
of non-Albanian minorities," adding that such violence will be dealt with
severely.
Russia has made clear it insists on complete disbanding and demilitarization
of the rebel army. U.N. and NATO officials have stressed that the Kosovo
Corps will be civilian in nature, although members will wear uniforms.
Bernard Kouchner, the head of the U.N. mission in Kosovo, arrived in Moscow
on Wednesday to try to win Russia's support for the Kosovo Corps. But the
Russians have warned they may reconsider their peacekeeping role in Kosovo
because, they claim, the southern province is slipping away from
Yugoslavia's control.
In the newest reports of violence, the Serbian Orthodox Church said
Wednesday that a medieval church, part of Zociste monastery near Orahovac,
was blown up two days ago by unidentified ethnic Albanians. The monks had
been expelled from the church and the monastery in June when it was robbed
and damaged.
In other attacks Wednesday, NATO reported that five people were injured --
one seriously -- after a grenade was thrown at a cafe in a village south of
Pristina and that a 35-year-old Gypsy man was found shot to death in
Djakovica, to the southwest.
Since NATO peacekeepers arrived here June 12, Serbs, Montenegrins, Gypsies
-- also known as Roma -- and others have been targeted by ethnic Albanians
seeking revenge for Yugoslavia's bloody 18-month crackdown in Kosovo. The
crackdown ended when Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic accepted a peace
plan to halt NATO's bombing.
Meanwhile, peacekeepers on Wednesday reported seizing a large weapons stash
from a Serb home in the eastern city of Gnjilane and confiscating a Serbian
military police uniform and weapons from a man leaving Kosovo. The two
separate discoveries added to NATO concerns of an organized Serb effort to
disrupt Kosovo's peace process.
In a positive development, the first civil marriage service was conducted in
Pristina Wednesday, uniting Ramush Gashi of Pristina and Anna Maria Konet of
Germany. The couple were married at the local city hall in a short ceremony
performed by Enrique Aguilar, the regional U.N. administrator for Pristina.
For the first time in a decade, the bridal pair could exchange their vows in
Albanian. Since 1989 all official ceremonies were only in Serbian.
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[CTRL] Crisis in Tiny East Timor Weakens Giant Indonesia

[Tatman, Robert]

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As always, cui bono?
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Crisis in Tiny East Timor Weakens Giant Indonesia
JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) -- Years ago, Indonesia's foreign minister boldly
waved away the East Timor conflict as "a pebble in the shoe." Today, he may
rue those words.
With only 850,000 people and little strategic significance, the poor, rugged
land is a speck in Indonesia's vast sweep of tropical islands and water
lanes. Yet the chaos there has jarred the nation's tenuous transition to
democracy, jeopardized its economic recovery and tainted its image abroad.
More ominously, the Aug. 30 landslide vote for independence in East Timor,
and the deadly rampages by army-backed militias, raise questions about
Indonesia's ability to hold together its far-flung territories.
Foreign Minister Ali Alatas personifies how Indonesia has been humbled in
the eyes of the world.
Accustomed to scolding critics of Indonesia's occupation of East Timor, the
67-year-old veteran diplomat rushed this week to New York to help the United
Nations plan the deployment of peacekeepers this weekend.
Pro-Indonesia militia groups have killed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of
people since their call to remain part of Indonesia was defeated in the
U.N.-organized poll. As many as 200,000 refugees are at risk of starvation,
the U.N. said.
Indonesia invaded East Timor in 1975, but it was never able to win over the
population. Separatist rebels harassed its patrols from the hills for years.

A reluctant Indonesia accepted the U.N.-approved peacekeepers, largely
because of international threats to cut off financial aid.
Maintaining an economic equilibrium is vital for Indonesia. Financial
problems triggered social unrest that led to the downfall of authoritarian
President Suharto in May 1998. His successor, B.J. Habibie, is loath to let
it happen again.
But inviting peacekeepers into East Timor may not be enough to prevent
sanctions. Indonesian army units in East Timor are fomenting violence, not
quelling it, and have embarassed the government. Indonesia will likely be
punished economically if elements in the military disrupt the U.N.
operation.
The World Bank, the Asian Development Bank and the International Monetary
Fund have already deferred approval of new lending to Indonesia because of
alleged financial irregularities implicating Habibie supporters.
Despite democratic reforms, the government remains heavily influenced by the
armed forces. Opposition forces triumphed in June 7 parliamentary elections,
but they are fragmented and the military could play a big role in a special
assembly that meets in November to choose a new president.
"The political power of the military in this country is getting stronger,"
said Salim Said, an expert on the military. But he cautioned that Gen.
Wiranto, the military chief, is unlikely to defy Habibie because he may have
his own political ambitions and wants to maintain credibility.
What civilian and military leaders alike are unwilling to tolerate are
separatist movements in the resource-rich regions of Aceh and Irian Jaya.
Unlike East Timor, the two provinces share a history of Dutch colonial rule
with the rest of Indonesia.
But East Timor's vote on independence, along with the bloody response of
pro-Indonesia forces, might encourage separatists. Many provinces want
Jakarta to cede them more autonomy.
While there have been small nationalist protests opposing the U.N. mission
in East Timor, many Indonesians say it's time to let go of the troublesome
territory.
"They can decide their own future," said Harsono, a 34-year-old engineer.
"Indonesia already has many problems, so we should ignore East Timor for
now."
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[CTRL] Church Not Apologetic to Quebec Orphans

[Tatman, Robert]

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Church Not Apologetic to Quebec Orphans

QUEBEC CITY (Reuters) - The Catholic Church said Wednesday there would be no
apology or compensation for the aging Quebec orphans who claim to have
suffered years of abuse decades ago while under the care of the church.
In a period from the 1930s to the 1950s, the church declared the children
mentally ill in the hopes of getting more funding from the Canadian
government, which paid more for the care of mentally handicapped children
than for orphans.
The orphans, numbering more than 3,000, have said many of them were abused,
sodomized and forced to provide sexual favors as children.
Pierre Morissette, president of the Quebec Assembly of Archbishops, said
Wednesday the matter was delicate because of legal considerations. But he
acknowledged the Church recognized some orphans went through "difficult
situations."
But a full apology would not be forthcoming.
"Such excuses would betray the works of those who dedicated all their lives
to the service of the most destitute," Morissette told a packed news
conference in Cap de la Madeleine, west of Quebec City.
The Orphans were outraged by the announcement.
"This is total hypocrisy. This is a campaign of disinformation. It is
horrible and contemptuous," said Bruno Roy, spokesman of the so-called
association of "Duplessis Orphans".
The "Duplessis Orphans" are named after Maurice Duplessis, the autocratic
premier of the mainly French-speaking province of Quebec at the time. The
Catholic Church has denied that it abused orphans and demanded proof from
the alleged victims.
Many of the children were born to unmarried parents who abandoned them on
the steps of Church-run orphanages out of fear of being ostracized by the
highly religious society of Quebec of the time.
Morissette said no direct financial compensation would be provided by the
Church, but stressed it was open to cooperating with the Quebec government,
which has already offered community aid to the orphans as well as a C$3
million compensation package. The offer was refused by the orphans, who want
a C$100 million compensation fund and a public inquiry.
"We estimate that the Church is already giving a lot and that it will
continue to give more," said Quebec Cardinal Jean-Claude Turcotte, who
stressed the fact the religious communities were the only ones taking care
of orphans in Quebec at the time.
($1-$1.47 Canadian).
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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: I too sent my Son]

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

The first time I heard that joke was 35 years ago, when a Jewish fraternity
brother told it to me... BTW, according to traditional Christian teachings,
the only person whom Jesus did not die to save was himself. (This seems to
be sort of a variant of the classic "Who Shaves the Barber?" paradox.) After
contemplating that sort of thing for a while, I tend to mutter, as a
nameless Irish monk is supposed to have remarked, "But Jesus Christ was born
before the birth of Jesus Christ!" At which point I put the book down and
put "The Life of Brian" in the VCR...

> -Original Message-
> From: Nurev Ind Research [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 5:23 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: I too sent my Son]
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Wishful thinking boys:
>
> 1) I know lots of people who have sent their kids to Israel,
>and not one has come back a Christian.
>
> 2) I know two Christians, one a German, and one an Argentine
>who went for a summer and converted to Hasidic Judaism of
>all things.
>
> 3) Jesus was NEVER a Christian ( since it didn't exist in his
>lifetime), and was always a practicing Jew, as was his brother
>James the Just.
>
> But hey guys, it's a helluva funny joke.
>
> Joshua2
>

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #4

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Well, somebody stole two pink lawn flamingos from a house near us last
week... The police suspect that the birds are "still in the vicinity."

;^)

> -Original Message-
> From: ric carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 11:39 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #4

: No ancient Greek gods were abducted during production of this
bulletin.


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Re: [CTRL] Murdered white Christian kids not newsworthy

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Amen, Kris. I don't normally watch the Disney News, but I had the TV on
yesterday for hurricane coverage (most of the time with the sound off!) and
wound up listening to Mickey--er, Peter Jennings pontificate... One of their
followups to the Dallas shooting was a report on how "frightened" many
evangelical Christians are becoming about violence directed at them *because
of their religion.* It seems to me that we are being subjected to a Martian
Fire Drill, what with the Kansas idiocy, assorted shootings, the increasing
acceptance of various varieties of Islam in the U.S., etc., etc. In short,
"look behind that bush, for it is not a bush. ... The moment you have
learned to trust your friend, expect betrayal, without wavering in your
trust."

> -Original Message-
> From: Kris Millegan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:43 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Murdered white Christian kids not newsworthy
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Please realize that the whole "christian" thing is being used to divide
> the
> population.  The media is not news it is a psychological attack upon our
> family  and cultural structures designed to land control in a few elite
> hands, through any and every means posiible.
>
> Be prepared to be whipped around.
>
> A hardening of sides is being brought about and religion is always used.
> Look
> at the rhetoric from the shills, Its the old divide and conquer. And
> history
> shows us what religious "fanatics' can be moved to do.
>
> Religion is a personal matter. Don't be a hypocrite in the street, be the
> good samaratian. MHO
>
> Chill and understand we are all brothers and sisters and GOD is one.
>
> Om
> K
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1

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Duesberg may be a KGB "useful idiot"--according to the Mitrokhin interview
on "Sixty Minutes," the KGB planted the story that AIDS was created at Fort
Detrick.

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 1:35 PM
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> Subject:  [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1

# AIDS HERESIES: FROM MAVERICK SCIENCE TO CONSPIRACY THEORY.
Although nearly
  all scientists believe that AIDS is caused by the human
immunodeficiency
  virus (HIV), a small but vocal minority insists that there is no
proof of
  this. Others say they are indeed linked, but were deliberately
created as
  a genocidal or biological warfare experiment. Duesberg has
published in
  numerous journals:
http://cnn.com/HEALTH/AIDS/9909/15/aids.heresies3/

: Have you created any pandemics or conspiracy theories lately? Is a
panic
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Re: [CTRL] Smyrna

[Tatman, Robert]

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Just remember: a haggis in the hand is worth two in the bush...

(Actually, a haggis in the hand is extremely messy!)

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 4:52 PM
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> In a message dated 09/16/1999 2:54:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> <<
>  please take all my comments on food really seriusly as I am very
> sensitive
>  to what I eat. >>
>
> I do.  I'm particularly concerned about the vicious haggis.  Prudy
>
>

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[CTRL] Hurricane Evacuations (was: RE: [CTRL] Waco and the Press)

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Riiight. All day yesterday, while stuck at home, I kept the Disney channel
(not that one, the other one--oh yeah, "ABC"...) on with the sound off. The
storm itself turned out to be not really any worse than half-a-dozen others
I've seen over the years; we just didn't have instant 24/7 coverage of every
little detail before. What bothered me was that evacuation. All I could
think was, "What are they practicing for?" Let's see...biowar? global
warming? nuclear terrorism? population resettlement? ABC reported that
within a decade, *one-half* of the U.S. population will live in coastal
counties. Granted, they didn't define "coastal county," but when you stop to
think that New Jersey is the most densely-populated state in the Union, and
that *all* of its counties could probably count as "coastal" (within a
two-hour drive of the shore)...and then add in California, Florida, and East
Texas... If the predictions are correct, hurricane activity is going to
increase and become more violent (we're already seeing the *fourth* Category
4 hurricane in the past month)... And I keep hearing people saying that the
next time they're going to stay put rather than evacuate, because this time
was such a mess. Recipe for...what??

> -Original Message-
> From: Sno0wl [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:55 AM
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>
>  
>
> The scariest thing about Hurricane Floyd is the massive evacuation. And
> the way it
> was going, it looked like the mass of those folks in cars could get caught
> on the road
> by the stormnot exactly a very safe place to be. I mean, all those
> folks from Florida
> headed North toward the Carolinas where the brunt of the storm was going
> to hit?
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[CTRL] Genetic Engineering: The Other Side Responds

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Two leading researchers take issue with three recent studies on the effects
of genetically engineered crops
FOR RELEASE: Sept. 10, 1999
Contact: Blaine P. Friedlander Jr.
Office: (607) 255-3290
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

ITHACA, N.Y. -- Two prominent entomologists, one from Cornell University,
warn that three recent studies on the effects of genetically engineered
crops have distorted the debate about engineered crops and that this could
have "profound consequences" for science and public policy.
The article, "False reports and the ears of men," in the latest issue of
Nature Biotechnology, is authored by Anthony M. Shelton, professor of
entomology at Cornell's New York State College of Agriculture and Life
Sciences, and Richard T. Roush of the University of Adelaide, Australia.
They urge that the public should not be swayed "by laboratory reports that,
when looked at with a critical eye, may not have any reality in the field or
even in the laboratory."
The first of the three studies they comment on was led by John E. Losey,
Cornell assistant professor of entomology. This study of the effect of
Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) corn on the monarch butterfly "can only be
considered a preliminary laboratory study," they write.
In the May 20 issue of Nature, Losey and his colleagues reported that pollen
from commercial corn, genetically engineered to produce a bacterial toxin to
protect it against European corn borers, kills monarch butterfly larvae in
laboratory tests. While Shelton and Roush note that this result was expected
under such laboratory test conditions, they question whether this test was
realistic.
"If I went to a movie and bought a hundred pounds of salted popcorn, because
I like salted popcorn, and then I ate those the salted popcorn all at once,
I'd probably die. Eating that much salted popcorn simply is not a real-world
situation, but if I died it may be reported that salted popcorn was lethal,"
Shelton said in an interview. "The same thing holds true for monarch
butterflies and pollen. Scientists have a duty to be incredibly responsible
for developing realistic studies. Scientists need to make assessments that
are pertinent to the real world."
In the second study discussed in the article, researchers at Kansas State
University reported in Science that they had discovered corn borer
resistance to Bt toxins. Shelton and Roush question the methodology used in
the study, "including that the authors did not demonstrate that resistance
was actually to the same Bt toxin as in the plant or that the insects could
survive on the Bt plant." Even so, they write, "this questionable laboratory
study has generated considerable debate over whether the present resistance
management policy should be overturned."
In another recent issue of Nature, a University of Arizona study showed that
the pink bollworm's resistance to Bt-cotton was recessive in inheritance,
but the paper questioned whether resistant bollworms developed more slowly
than susceptible bollworms. This could possibly knock out random mating and
dilute the insect's resistance in the field. "We hope that the take-home
message won't be converted to another premature claim that Bt crops are
doomed," Shelton and Roush say in their commentary.
Since the release of the monarch butterfly study, write Shelton and Roush,
companies that make the genetically engineered agricultural seed have been
confronted by freezes on the approval process for Bt transgenic corn by the
European Commission and by "possible trade restrictions by Japan." In the
United States, there have been calls for a moratorium on the further
planting of Bt-corn.
In discussing the Cornell monarch butterfly report, Shelton and Roush voice
their surprise that a "previous and more relevant and realistic study has
been largely overlooked." While the Cornell laboratory study showed high
mortality among monarch larvae that ingested genetically engineered pollen,
an Iowa State University study by Laura Hansen and John Obrycki showed low
mortality even when Monarch larvae were fed milkweed that had the highest
levels of Bt pollen that would be encountered in the field. Shelton and
Roush note that it is unlikely that these high Bt pollen levels would be
encountered by the insects in the field, and they say that "few
entomologists or weed scientists familiar with the butterflies or corn
production É give credence to the Nature article."
Crops are genetically engineered with Bt to control pests without the use of
broad spectrum insecticides, which may cause environmental and human health
problems. For example, the European corn borer is the most notorious pest
that corn farmers face and causes an estimated $1.2 billion in crop losses
annually. To combat this pest, an estimated 24 to 28 million acres of
Bt-corn were planted in the United States in 1999.
Related World Wide Web sites: The following sites provide additional
information on this news release. Some might not be part of the Cor

Re: [CTRL] Outing Spies

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Or if not actually identified as "traitors," then (perhaps more effectively)
discredited as dupes of the KGB *desinformatsiya*... After all, why waste
resources on refuting or prosecuting your opponents when you can, by the
simple expedient of planting a story, cause the public to put them in the
same they use for such "sources" as the *Weekly World News*?

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 3:55 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Outing Spies
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> >The book also reveals extensive KGB operations including:
> >
> >--Attempts to implicate the CIA and wealthy right-wing Americans in the
> >assassination of President John F. Kennedy. As part of these efforts,
> >the book says the KGB in the 1970s forged a letter from Kennedy's
> >accused killer, Lee Harvey Oswald, to E. Howard Hunt, the former CIA
> >agent who was convicted in the Watergate break-in.
>
> Is anyone else noticing that, little by little, the carefully considered
> conclusions of Conspiracy Theory are being identified as a product of
> Communist disinformation?
>
> How long before we are all likewise blacklisted as "Communists" or, at the
> very least, charged with sedition for being disseminators of propaganda
> from
> an enemy state?
>

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Re: [CTRL] SWAT Nation (Rant)

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a sense, the problem lies in what Spengler identified as the distinction
between a *culture* and a *civilization*--the culture is living, growing,
constantly changing, while the civilization has grown stagnant, rigid,
resistant to change, and increasingly stratified. There are clear signs that
a new world culture is being born, but the Imperial Civilization that rules
our planet is doing its best to abort that birth process. I don't want to
carry this argument too far; as anyone who has studied Spengler knows, it
does have serious flaws. But SOMETHING is starting to emerge from the chaos
and confusion--a true *Novus Ordo Seclorum*, not "the New World Order" but a
new order of the ages, whose basic assumptions and structures are radically
different from those of the *Ancien Regime*...

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 11:53 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] SWAT Nation (Rant)
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>


> Hell, let's be thorough and go all the way back to the first High
> Civilization in SUMER -- which is also where Buckminster Fuller's analysis
> of
> our ULTIMATE problem led him.
>
> Otherwise, thanks, Linda, for keeping readers up to speed on the
> principles
> of genuine power, which today are no different than as earlier given in
> Machiavelli and Sun Tzu, only more sophisticated as applied also through
> our
> new technological, industrial, and scientific (not to mention sociological
> and psychological) tools used as weaponry..
>


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Re: [CTRL] Rauchen Verboten !

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

John Kenneth Galbraith wrote an article in the late 1940's analyzing the
"cigarette economy" of a displaced-persons camp in Germany, in which he
explored the artificial creation of demand for a scarce commodity. I can't
remember the exact citation right now; I know I read it in an anthology we
used in a macroeconomics course about twenty years ago.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 1:25 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Rauchen Verboten !
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> You can push this argument too faranybody in Germany in 1945 will tell
> you that
> the currency used was not marks or the allied money but coffee and
> cigarettes...especially cigarettes..
>
> ASU
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Blaming the barbarians (fwd)

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

The Roman Church was simply following in the footsteps of the Caesars, who
rewrote many of the ancient texts Roman civic religion was based on, such as
the Sybilline Oracles. See Suetonius, inter alii, for a somewhat tabloid
account; Robert Graves drew heavily on Suetonius for *I, Claudius* and
*Claudius the God*, q.v. Yes, the Romans were meticulous record-keepers; but
as with the Prussians and their successors the Germans, records can be neat
and precise without necessarily being accurate.

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 7:41 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Blaming the barbarians (fwd)
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 99-09-19 22:39:31 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> >   Furthermore, decades before the northern tribes descended upon Rome,
> the
> >church itself had burned all the critiques of Christianity written by
> >prominent non-Christian scholars, such as Porphyry and Celsus. By the
> late
> >fourth century, church censorship had extended into just about every area
> of
> >learning.
>
> And so, by the early 4th Century, every inestimably priceless record of
> the
> first three centuries of Christianity (particularly in the Holy Land) had
> been destroyed -- by the Church itself, now centralized in Rome under a
> secular Emperor.  The only surviving "history" is that written by Bishop
> Eusebius, Constantine the Great's own PR man -- Eusebius, maddeningly,
> selectively quotes the works of older scholars as Epiphanius, who, back in
> the early 2nd Century, could still thumb through the archives of Jesus'
> own
> disciples in Jerusalem.  Just "coincidentally," by the early 4th Century,
> all
> the ROMAN records of the Imperial State's contact with the Christians in
> Jerusalem --for example, Pontius Pilate's report on Jesus' trial and
> crucifixion-- had "vanished" as well -- despite the fact that Rome's
> bureaucracy was meticulous in its record-keeping and just about everything
> else from the same period was intact.  Even more "coincidentally," all the
> texts of the Gospels and Epistles that make up our New Testament today
> date
> from no later than the 4th Century, when Constantine and his "censors"
> destroyed everything but the version HE approved, which was icongruously
> flattering to the Romans (even in the Savior's time) and quite
> antagonistic
> toward the Jews.  [Yes, I'm aware that the "oldest" MSS. of the Gospels go
> back further, to about 70-150 AD (John's the latest), but on closer
> inspection, these are only FRAGMENTS, i.e., not COMPLETE texts.]
>
> Why am I reminded of the mad Chinese Emperor who ordered destroyed all
> existing records of the eras preceding him, in order to have the privilege
> of
> writing his OWN version of Chinese history?  Forever afterward, his
> history
> would be all we could rely on, so we'll just have to take him at his word
> --
> he being, of course, a "scrupulous" sort 
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic system.

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

One place to start might be with local currencies, such as the one in use in
Ithaca, NY, which uses work as its medium of exchange--almost but not quite
a barter system. It operates only within Ithaca proper, but could easily be
extended. Such a currency encourages the growth of voluntary local
community; no one need participate--you can still use the "official"
currency if you want to. In addition, the "new" money carries an expiration
date; in other words, you *have* to use it within a certain period of time
in order to redeem its face value.

Another crucial point to realize is that, during a crisis, normal social
structures break down. There is, very roughly, a three-day cycle of crisis.
During Day 1 and the first part of Day 2, *there is no government*--the
people are forced to rely on themselves and on each other. This is the
closest you will ever see to pure Kropotskian mutual aid. By the middle of
Day 2, self-interest begins to reassert itself, causing mutual aid to break
down; and Day 3 sees "government" in some form (often military) taking
charge. HOWEVER, when a new crisis occurs before the earlier crisis has
resolved, it is possible for mutual aid to remain in effect for a much
longer period. Although the temptation is always for government to maintain
the public in a state of crisis and uncertainty, this very tendency contains
within itself the downfall of the government itself, because it will
encourage the development of community institutions which function without
any reference to the government.

So...carpe diem, people! Seize the day! If government is incompetent, it's
also irrelevant. Take matters into your own hands; create your own money;
run your own lives.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 9:46 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] The glorious capitalist free market economic
> system.
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 9/18/99 8:22:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> > What should we DO?  I'm more of a THINKER than a DOER, in case you
> hadn't
> >  noticed.
> >  I've got no easy answers, even for myself; but it's necessary, IMHO, to
> >  begin asking that question with a much more serious tone than we've
> been
> >  doing up until this point.
> >
>
> I agree and the same is true for me.  I think it is imperative that people
> start to DO SOMETHING, no matter how seemingly small or "insignificant."
> Sometimes this is enough to get the ball rolling, so to speak.
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] WACO poll

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Try "all of the above"... Will we ever know the absolute truth about what
happened at Waco? I seriously doubt it... The case has become too
politicized and mythologized for anyone to determine exactly what took
place. One thing is clear to me, however: there was much blame on both
sides. David Koresh was not exactly an innocent victim of government
oppression. The ATF and the FBI screwed up badly in dealing with him;
meddling, spin-adjusting, and ass-covering by the White House and DOJ
compounded the problem. If military elements actually were involved, as is
now alleged, someone badly misread the Constitution. But if it hadn't been
this time, Koresh and the Davidians would have created another opportunity
for violent death in the expectation that this would bring on the Second
Coming.

> -Original Message-
> From: Bard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 10:10 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] WACO poll
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Daily Poll
>   Who's to blame for the 1993 Waco tragedy?
>   The ATF
>   The FBI
>   David Koresh
>   Janet Reno
>   The White House
>

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Re: [CTRL] Timor: US officials plead ignorance

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

What makes you think the intelligence agencies didn't see the East Timor
massacre coming? It is quite possible, even likely, that this was carefully
planned and executed, just as the Indonesian occupation of East Timor in
1974 was planned and executed with at least the connivance if not the
direction of the CIA. This follows a pattern of breaking up multiethnic
states which began in 1919 with the splintering of the Austro-Hungarian
Empire and has been escalating sharply over the past decade. Just shuffling
and re-shuffling the deck...

> -Original Message-
> From: Sean McDougal [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 3:17 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Timor: US officials plead ignorance
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Many of us who have been following this situation on the internet for the
> last few months could see this bloodbath coming.  How is it that the US
> itelligence agencies could not?  Perhaps we online buffoons are the new
> and
> best intelligencia to be found in the globe.
>
> In that case, I hereby let all people on the planet know that if you want
> to
> email me for information on what is going on in the world please do so.  I
> seem to have more information than the Pentagon [yeah right].
>


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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #4

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Listen up, folks--if you think you can use your company's PC and Internet
connection to play on the Web and send personal e-mail without somebody
looking over your shoulder, you have a serious other think coming... That PC
and that connection BELONG TO YOUR BOSS, not to you. That e-mail account
BELONGS TO YOUR BOSS, not to you. Maybe your boss is openminded enough to
let you keep using it for non-work-related activities...but he is under
absolutely no obligation to do so. Of course, if he has any sense, he'll
*let* you play around on the Net, because that way you blur the borders
between work and play a little further, and tend to do work-related stuff on
your PC at home a little more often. But he is ENTIRELY within his rights to
decree that you are to use that PC and that e-mail account and that Internet
connection solely for work-related purposes, and to kick your butt out if
you violate that rule. No, I don't like this sort of thing...frankly, I
think it sucks rancid onions...but face it: it's legal.

> -Original Message-

# We Know What You Did Last Fall. Employers can use Investigator 2.0
to
  monitor every application an employee launches, every keystroke,
every
  click. The software takes workplace spying to a scary new level.


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Re: [CTRL] Origin of Life on Earth

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Try searching on "Arrhenius" and "Panspermia".

> -Original Message-
> From: earthman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 9:05 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Origin of Life on Earth
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Can anyone help me with this. I posted on a list that the origins of life
> on
> earth came from outer space. I read it somewhere on the web or email and
> it
> is has  a specific name. I have been trying to find where I filed it and
> it
> is driving me crazy. Can anyone remember what it is called or where a site
> is that has this..
> I knew I would get a bite re the post and I don't want to lose the fish.
> Peter.
>
> We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
> http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage
> Bargain Books
> http://bn.bfast.com/bfast/click/mid1349732?siteid=10734186&bfpage=b
>
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Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) [BRIGADE] PJB: Arguments Based on History

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

The crucial point at which Western intervention against Hitler would have
aborted all of the Nazi schemes was in 1934, when Hitler rearmed the
Rhineland. Virtually the entire Reichswehr--not yet the Wehrmacht--was
committed to the sham "show of force" by Berlin. *Literally* the entire
Luftwaffe was deployed, with planes circling again and again to give the
impression of unstoppable aerial armadas--when in reality Germany had no
more than a squadron of fighter aircraft. Had the French moved against the
Germans at this point, Britain would have had no option but to join them.
The French, however, were governed by a United Front (Socialist/Communist)
government, nearly pacifist in inclination, which took one look at the
German "armies" and ordered all French forces withdrawn from the Rhineland.
Even the appearance of an armored brigade would have forced Hitler to pull
his troops back immediately; but, as so often with the Third Reich, the
"civilized" powers of the West took the Germans at face value, and assumed
that because Hitler *behaved* as if he had overwhelming military strength,
he actually *did* have overwhelming military strength--at a time when the
German General Staff was forecasting that they would not be adequately
rearmed until 1942 at the earliest.

> -Original Message-

> My argument that it was a mistake for Britain to give a "war guarantee" to
> Poland in the spring of 1939 is based on history.  Not only did the
> guarantee fail to save Poland, it led to total disaster for Poland and to
> a Nazi invasion and occupation of Western Europe.


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Re: [CTRL] The End is Nigh

[Tatman, Robert]

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What's the line on the End of the World at Ladbroke's these days?

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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> Subject:  [CTRL] The End is Nigh
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
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> Is the End near?  Check out the track-record of doomsayers ...
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[CTRL] Police Say 9-Year-Old Boy Led Gang Rape of 8-Year-Old Sister

[Tatman, Robert]

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Police Say 9-Year-Old Boy Led Gang Rape of 8-Year-Old Sister
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) -- A 9-year-old boy instigated and then participated in
the gang rape of his 8-year-old sister, police said Tuesday.
The boy persuaded his sister to enter an abandoned house and "to some degree
directed the activities of the others," the St. Paul Police Department said.

He admitted that he raped his sister, police spokesman Michael Jordan said.
Seven boys -- ages 6 to 13 -- are suspected in the attack. Police questioned
three Monday at an elementary school and the other four Tuesday.
The victim and her attackers were "playmates," police said.
Police said four of the boys raped the girl, including her brother.
"It's a bad situation," Jordan said. "It's a terrible impact certainly on
this little girl and possibly some of the boys."
No arrests have been made. A photo lineup was planned for Wednesday for the
victim to identify her attackers.
The attack occurred on Sept. 7 or 8, but wasn't reported to police until
last week by the victim's mother.
Originally, the girl had told police that one of her brothers heard her
cries and tried to help, but at least two of the suspects stopped him. That
brother then left to get an older brother, who was able to rescue her, she
told police.
After questioning seven boys who were in the vacant house at the time of the
attack, police determined that her brother had been involved and had told
her not to tell her mother what happened.
Copyright 1999 The Associated Press . All rights reserved. This material may
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[CTRL] Nigeria: Routing Cultism

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

>From The News (Lagos, Nigeria), via Africa News Online...
Routing Cultism
Lagos (The News, August 16, 1999) - It would have been a miracle of sorts if
the secret cult phenomenon had not reared its head in our various tertiary
institutions, given the various desperate developments in the larger society
these past 15 years.
We had it coming all along. True, the seeds had always been there, but the
society has, in recent times, provided the fertile soil and nurtured the
seed of brigandage to unfettered growth. Rather than acknowledge where we
missed the boat, we have made a national pastime of pious pontifications on
a problem which is only a mirror-reflection of our general social decay.
In attempting to get to the bottom of the problem of campus cults and
crimes, we should also examine the daily diet of violence we feed our youths
through the media and everyday living. Our young people have come to learn
that might is right. The god that controls their minds is always on the side
of the bigger battalion. Words such as justice, truth and fairness don't
exist in their lexicon. We have taught them that the end justifies the
means.
If we dig well enough, we may well discover that a good number of the so-
called secret cultists in our higher institutions are children of the
affluent. Children who were born but not bred. Children who failed JAMB only
to be smuggled into the institutions on the stroke of their parent's
executive pen. Children who live in their own evil world where, in the words
of Malcolm Muggeridge, "the orgasm has replaced the cross as the focus of
longing and fulfillment."
A young boy who has been used to having his way all his life and whose daddy
is always there to bend rules and give him all the support he does not
deserve, will probably end up a criminal. He will visit violence on his
immediate environment. He will enrol in the most dreadful of the cults. He
will destroy whatever he perceives as standing between him and 'happiness.'
His target may be a lecturer whose course he had failed; a female student
who had rejected his amorous advances; or a fellow 'macho' who was claiming
'equality' with him. For him, 'happiness' means having his way at all times.

Peer pressure also plays a part. In trying to keep up with the vogue, an
otherwise level-headed student may be misled into joining one of the
dreadful cults. In these days when those running our higher institutions
seem to think that the best way to stem the crisis on campus is to ban,
infiltrate or otherwise destroy the students' union, the rising wave of
campus cults would probably teach them not to urinate in a well from which
they might drink. It is better to deal with a students' union than to broker
a truce between warring campus gangs of no fixed address. A strong students'
union would never tolerate a group of gangsters forming a parallel
government on campus.
Considering that cultism - with its harvest of death, maiming, rape and
destruction of property - is now threatening the very essence of higher
educational institutions in Nigeria, it is time we dealt a death blow to the
phenomenon. Enough is enough, or as Olatunji Dare the former Guardian
columnist would put it, "Enough is already too much".
Every self-respecting adult should feel affronted that a handful of
criminally-inclined children are literally holding our higher institutions
to ransom. vice-chancellors, rectors and other institutional heads should
feel even much more so.
Now to the question: How do we solve the problem? First, our higher
institutions must be run as designed by the laws establishing them.
Universities, polytechnics and colleges of education and technology are not
academic cantonments or intellectual barracks where teachers must teach only
'what they are paid to teach' (apologies to Chukwumerije). We must run our
higher institutions as they are run all over the world.
Secondly, we must also encourage democratic culture in the larger society so
that everyone gets used to dialogue, negotiation and civilised conduct.
Those running the affairs of our institutions must learn to dialogue with
their students, thereby making them part of the solution rather than part of
the problem. Students are adults too. They must be encouraged to take
responsibility by making input into decision-making and how the institution
is run. I challenge all the vice-chancellors and rectors in this country to
work hand in hand with their students' unions on the campus cult problem and
watch if they would not achieve better results. The bee might be a small
insect, but it does produce honey which is much more than you can say for
the elephant.
Permit me to share my personal experience as a student leader at the
University of Ife. We had the cults, but they were all registered with the
Students' union and with the Directorate of Student Affairs. They had fixed
addresses. We knew their officers and advisers (who must be lecturers).
Before my tenure, there had been 

Re: [CTRL] "Sexual Predators" on the 'Net -- for Disney

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Calling Matt Drudge...

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 7:32 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] "Sexual Predators" on the 'Net -- for Disney
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>  And then there's the rumor (still awaiting confirmation) of a
> prominent
> Fortune 500 CEO busted for pedophilia last month -- a fact never publicly
> reported, thanks to the intervention of Wall Street, worried about what
> effect news of his arrest might have on the Dow Jones right now ...
>  (An illustration of the ruthlessly amoral face of "insider trading"
> at
> the TOP?)
>
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Dole on Kids at School (Microcosm of Adults in Society )

[Tatman, Robert]

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Question: will aspirin and a Swiss Army knife constitute "drugs and
weapons"?? Or perhaps echinacea coughdrops? Has anyone thought of asking the
KIDS the best way to keep drugs and weapons out of schools?

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 8:17 AM
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> Subject:  [CTRL] Dole on Kids at School (Microcosm of Adults in
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>
>  The State is "Big Mother" and we citizens are all her dependent
> children
> ...
>
>
> Dole Wants School Locker Searches
>
> By TOM KIRCHOFER
> .c The Associated Press
>
> MELROSE, Mass. (AP) - Reminiscing about her student teaching days while
> addressing harsh concerns of today, Elizabeth Dole said Wednesday that
> order
> must be restored to classrooms - even if it means parent-approved locker
> and
> backpack searches and drug-testing of students.
>
> ``For drugs and weapons, I say: there will be no place to hide,'' Dole
> said.
>


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[CTRL] National Atlas of the United States

[Tatman, Robert]

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http://www.nationalatlas.gov/
This remarkable Web resource is an absolute (and virtually unknown)
treasure. Try selecting a particular state and check "Federal and Indian
lands", "Hazardous Waste Handler", "Superfund Sites", and "Toxic
Discharge"...

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #3

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

I presume Rev. Castleberry is a Presleyterian.

> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:34 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #3
>
>  
>
> # IMPERSONATOR PREACHES IN THE CHURCH OF ELVIS. Rev. David Castleberry
> loves
>   shaking his hips at the altar while he does his Elvis thing. He's
> credited
>   for bringing "bikers, doubters, and heavy drinkers" to church, reports
> the
>   Wichita Eagle. Getting his act together wasn't easy, the minister says.
> "I
>   studied 400 hours of video on Elvis' moves and singing style."
> http://www.wichitaeagle.com/news/local/community/neighbors/docs/castleberr
> y0
> 923_txt.htm
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Re: [CTRL] Hmmmmm. Texas Shooter A Right-Winger...Go Figure!

[Tatman, Robert]

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I suspect that the Phineas Priests are being set up as scapegoats/straw
men/excuses for domestic military intervention... Please note I do not
subscribe in any way to the doctrines of Christian Identity. However, it
begins to look as if an awful lot of the foofaraw about "domestic terrorism"
is a Martian firedrill... The "right-wing militia" didn't live up to their
billing as a threat to national security and public order, so now these
free-lancers have popped up to serve as a focus of righteous anger and
demands for action. Whether the Phineas Priests are mind-control victims or
"useful idiots", I don't know; but their sudden emergence into the limelight
is very convenient.

> -Original Message-
> From: William Shannon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:10 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Hm. Texas Shooter A Right-Winger...Go Figure!
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Fort Worth, Texas gunman linked to fascist group
> By Martin McLaughlin
> 22 September 1999
> Use this version to print
>
> The gunman who murdered seven people at a Fort Worth church September 15
> had
> ties to extreme-right-wing groups in Texas, according to reports first
> published in the Houston Chronicle. Larry Ashbrook, 47, killed four
> teenagers
> and three adults before taking his own life.
>
> Writer John Craig is co-author of a 1997 book, Soldiers of God, which
> examines white supremacist and Christian fascist organizations in America.
> He
> told the newspaper that he had spoken to Ashbrook in 1997 while
> interviewing
> members of the Ku Klux Klan for the book. Ashbrook told him he was a
> member
> of the "Phineas Priests," one of the far-right tendencies which are
> collectively known as "Christian Identity."
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Re: [CTRL] ] Our Presidential Choices

[Tatman, Robert]

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Buchanan "could get a lot of votes simply because he is seen as an
outsider who is scorned for his political stance" -- as was the case with
Hitler. No one in the general public paid any attention to Hitler's ties to
big business, both German and American; they saw him as the champion of the
little guy, who was going to give them all jobs and tromp the shit out of
the Jews who were messing up Germany.

Who is really behind Pat Buchanan, anyway? The squabble in the
Reform Party between Buchanan, Perot, Ventura, and -- of all people -- The
Donald (Trump) is utterly bizarre and smacks of shadow play.


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 11:53 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] ] Our Presidential Choices
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 9/23/99 1:49:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > "Buchanan=fascism of the nationalist variety."
> >
> >  Thats "national socialism" of the Hitler- Mussolini variety.  There are
> >  indicators in Buchanan of other nat.soc. traits. (l)Racism and
> >  anti=semitism  (2) economic nationalism  (3) militarism (4) the
> strident
> >  leader image (5) appeal to the grass roots (6) dilution of the Nazi
> threat
> >  (7) rigid statist social views.
> >
> >  As we have said before Buchanan is Right Hegelian.  No change for us
> >
> >
>
> Yes.  Thanks for the comments.  Let me elaborate a little.  The main
> thrust
> of his National Socialist (fascist) policy will concentrate on the idea of
> American economic domination, which will be a better tool for world
> control
> or policing than the military, though the military will be ready, willing
> and
> able to back it up.  Interesting point about the strident leader image.
> His
> grass roots appeal does seem to gloss over all the nefarious connections
> he
> may have had with neo-nazi types and the KKK.  He could get a lot of votes
> simply because he is seen as an outsider who is scorned for his political
> stance.
>
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Re: [CTRL] FYI - Virus Alert W32/FunLove.4099

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

The lesson is ALWAYS KEEP YOUR ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE UP-TO-DATE. Make sure you
have the latest virus definitions from your vendor. Remember, "eternal
vigilance is the price of liberty."

> -Original Message-
> From: Eagle 1 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 9:34 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] FYI - Virus Alert W32/FunLove.4099
>
> Dear McAfee.com Dispatch Subscriber:
>
> W32/FunLove.4099 is a new virus. AVERT has assigned it a MEDIUM risk
> assessment.
>
> W32/FunLove.4099 is a parasitic Win32 PE file infector that works on both
> Win9x and WinNT 4.0. It infects .EXE, .SCR and .OCX files. When the virus
> is first run, it drops a file called FLCSS.EXE into the %SYSTEM% folder.
> The virus then directly infects all .EXE, .SCR, and .OCX files in the
> folders Program Files and WINDOWS/WINNT, including any sub-folders.
> Because the default Windows shell Explorer.exe is kept in here, the virus
> is re-executed whenever the system is restarted. The virus uses a routine
> lifted from the W32/Bolzano virus to patch the NT files NTOSKRNL.EXE and
> NTLDR.
>
> This enables the virus to have full access to the system after the next
> system reboot.
>
> Periodically, the virus scans any network shares with write access, and
> infects any EXE, SCR or OCX files on the shared network drives. The virus
> is not encrypted or polymorphic.
>
> Infected files have a copy of the FLCSS.EXE file added to the end of the
> last PE section, and the length of the infected files increases by 4099
> bytes. When executed under DOS, the file FLCSS.EXE displays the message
> ~Fun Loving Criminal~ and then tries to reset the machine in order to load
> Windows.
>
> Your friends at
> McAfee.com
>

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #2

[Tatman, Robert]

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"For the love of God, Montresor!" he cried, as the final brick was laid in
place, entombing him with a television which would only show the Gameshow
Channel, interspersed with reruns of the 700 Club...surely a fate worse than
death...

> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 12:31 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #2
>
>>@ The Cask of Amontillado:

http://www.literature.org/authors/poe-edgar-allan/amontillado.html<<

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Re: [CTRL] Court says no to FreeRepublic.com

[Tatman, Robert]

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Well, what do you think they mean by "the marketplace of ideas"??  ;^)

> -Original Message-
> From: Nurev Ind Research [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 10:00 AM
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> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Court says no to FreeRepublic.com
>
>  
>
> Ah Capitalism. Even thought is a commodity.
>
> Joshua2
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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #1

[Tatman, Robert]

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http://www.dxlc.com/solar/ (as of 11/15/99, 3:30 PM EST):

Flares and CMEs

9 C flares and 5 M flares were recorded on November 14. Region 8759 produced
a C3.6/1F event at 04:40 UTC and an M1.4 impulsive flare at 17:04 UTC.
Region 8763 was the source of a major flare, an M8.0/2B event at 08:01 UTC.
Region 8765 generated a C5.0 flare at 03:55 UTC, a C4.9 flare at 06:38 UTC,
a C5.0 flare at 15:40 UTC, an M2.2/SN flare at 16:23 UTC and finally an M2.9
impulsive flare at 18:09 UTC. Region 8766 produced the second major flare of
the day, an M5.6 event at 16:07 UTC. An apparently full halo CME was
observed starting at 18:30 in LASCO C2 images. Actually the CME may have
started earlier over the east limb but it was evident over the west limb at
that time. If the CME was associated with any of the 4 M flares occurring
shortly before, the earth will likely receive an impact on November 17.
Coronal mass ejections were observed earlier in the day as well,
particularly off the east limb.

A filament eruption in the northeast quadrant was observed starting at 18:36
UTC in LASCO EIT images.

November 12: Region 8759 produced an M1.7 long duration event peaking at
09:16 UTC. Material outflow was observed in most directions in LASCO C2
images and there is a chance that earth could receive an impact from the
coronal mass ejection on November 15.

The background x-ray flux is at the class C3 level.



> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 3:41 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #1
>
>>#  Class 'M' Solar Mass Ejection Likely To Strike Earth November
15:
   http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/Updateclassm.htm<<

Solar Mass Ejection
Update

11-13-99

Note: The page in the link above was changed
between yesterday and today. The following statement was removed from the
site for reasons unknown, but thankfully a copy of it was captured by us
before the page was altered:  Comment added at 18:21 UTC: The M flares from
region 8759 earlier today appears to have been associated with a halo
coronal mass ejection. The CME is fairly diffuse in LASCO C2 images. A more
detailed analysis should be available by the next main update, although it
does seem likely that the CME could impact the earth on November 15.

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Re: [CTRL] Santa Claus not christian

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Actually, Thomas Nast, the great political cartoonist, created the familiar
fat, jolly Santa Claus in his red suit trimmed with ermine.

> -Original Message-
> From: Maggie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 4:24 PM
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> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Santa Claus not christian
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> The other night, very late, I saw this very fascinating documentary on
> soda
> pop. It focused mainly on Coke and Pepsi. It talked about how Coca Cola
> created the Santa Claus we see today - the fat, happy man in red and
> white.
> Before he had been dressed in green and a was dour looking character. Coke
> changed him to go with their colors and to associate themselves with
> Christmas. Anyway, I thought it was interesting.
> - Original Message -
> From: Taylor, John (JH) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 12:42 PM
> Subject: [CTRL] Santa Claus not christian
>
>
> : -Caveat Lector-
> :
> : Tribunal dismisses parent's Santa discrimination claim
> :
> : from The Excite Australia Channels
> : www.excite.com.au
> : November 12th 1999
> : 2: 52 PM AEST November 12
> :
> : A Jewish man who refused to let his children associate with Santa Claus
> : at school has lost his discrimination case against the New South Wales
> : Education Department.
> :
> : A Sydney tribunal has found that Santa Claus is not a symbol of
> : Christianity.
> :
> : Identified only as Mr A, the Jewish man objected to Santa's presence at
> : the Sydney primary school.
> :
> : In his racial discrimination complaint against the department, Mr A said
> : Santa is a Christian figure and he did not want his children singing
> : Christmas carols or receiving lollies from Santa.
> :
> : However, the Dean of Saint Mary's Cathedral, the Reverend Anthony
> Doherty,
> : told the Administrative Decisions Tribunal Santa Claus is a delightful
> : story but has nothing to do with Christianity.
> :
> : In dismissing the complaint that the school discriminated against the
> : children because of its Christmas activities, the tribunal ruled that
> : it cannot be said that a detriment has been suffered simply because
> : diverse groups should find ways of coexisting with each other.
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Re: [CTRL] [adventuresunlimited] Sollogs 13

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

"A touch, a palpable touch..."

Bravo, Andrew!

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Hennessey [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 8:31 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] [adventuresunlimited] Sollogs 13
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> here, my stylus dipped in the ancient cauldron of xule
> do I - Xorg, hereby prophesise the following  to occur before 01/01/01
>
> 1. I will visit the toilet in the next week
> 2. I will breathe air
> 3. I will eat of food
> 4. I will drink of liquids
> 5. verily shall I payeth mine phone bill
> 6. I shall gaze upon the demented vortex of microsoft
> 7. and an absence of sunshine shall befall us
> 8. I shall tread the firmament
> 9. and yea shall I turn mine television off
> 10. and lo, I will hear of Unconstitutional things
> 11. my neighbour shall be conned out of money
> 12. verily I shall replace my toilet paper
> 13. and unto us will cometh more prophesies
>
> So sayeth Ambassador Xorg divine embassy to humanity from the planet Xule,
> and lo, his wisdom doth supercede ye minions of Sollog.
>
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Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Here are some resources on worker ownership and cooperatives:

http://www.teltec.on.ca/coopsum.html Co-operatives in a nutshell
http://www.disgruntled.com/workown1297.html Worker owned temp services
http://www.cooperative.org/ The Co-Op Home Page - National Cooperative
Business Association
http://www.wisc.edu:/uwcc/ University of Wisconsin Center for Cooperatives
http://www.coop.org/ International Cooperative Alliance
http://csf.colorado.edu/co-op/ Cooperatives and Nonprofits on the Internet
http://www.mondragon.mcc.es/ Mondragón Corporación Cooperativa
http://www.geonewsletter.org/ Grassroot Economic Organizing Newsletter

> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Stokes [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:26 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Tales of the Underclass
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 99-11-13 18:36:38 EST, nessie writes:
>
> <<
>  I belong to a worker owned collective business, Bound Together Anarchist
>  Collective Book Store, 1369 Haight St, SF CA. We're twenty four years old
>  and doing just fine, thank you. We belong to  a federation of such places
>  called the Network of Bay Area Worker Collectives, NoBAWC (pronounced
> "no-boss"). The smallest has six members and the largest has over a
> hundred.
> We're all
>  doing just fine without bosses, thank you.
>
>  Then there's Mondragon, a multi-billion dollar, multi-national
> conglomerate
>  based in northern Spain, and comprised of enterprises ranging from string
>  of gas stations, drugstores and department stores to agriculture,
> broadcasting and
>  manufacturing. It is owned by the workers. It is run by the workers.
>  They're doing just fine without bosses, too, thank you
>
>  State owned "collectives," incidentally, are not collectives. They are
>  cynically misnomered slave plantations. Screw the state. It sucks on our
> neck. >>
>
> Interesting!  Are there any books that explain how to get a business
> started
> that is owned by the workers.  For the last seven years I have worked for
> large corporate businesses ... Digital & Quantum ...  where there were
> more
> non-workers than workers and the non-workers get paid twice or more what
> us
> workers get paid even though we do most of the work.  They mostly go to
> off-site meetings and make changes that make our work harder.  I have also
> noticed that when a worker makes a suggestion to make the products better,
> or
> to improve reliability ... it is shot-down, then later suggested by an
> "Engineer."  Big Business is corrupt.  Managers (they manage to take money
> we
> earn) hire their family members and put them at a higher rate of pay than
> workers even though they do not own the business.  Managers also promote
> females who go to bed with them, promote ass-kissing guys who have only
> been
> with the company a few short months etc.  Hiring practices and promotions
> are
> not based on loyalty or productivity.
>
> I had my own business at one time, but the interference of government cost
> too much time, bookkeeping, social security payments, quarterly payments
> ...
> city, county, state and federal rules and regulations ~ you need a lawyer
> to
> keep up with everything.  If you miss one of these "laws" then you owe at
> least one month's pay in fines, filing fees, interest etc.
>
> Does your organization "No Boss" have a website?
>
> Regards,
> Bob Stokes
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

The Great Inventor was actually the Great SELF-Inventor. The only thing he
invented by himself was the lightbulb (admittedly a major accomplishment).
Everything else was developed by his assistants, but patented and marketed
by Edison.

> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:55 PM
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"Anything that won't sell, I don't want to invent." --Thomas Edison


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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #4

[Tatman, Robert]

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I hear that Microsoft's motto for the final release of Windows 2000 is going
to be "Resistance is Futile"...

> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 7:01 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #4

# Wearable computers became a serious trend for the new millennium:

http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/timintint01005.html?1124027

: Would you rather wear a computer or be one? When will you have
thin-layer circuitry morphed onto your skin, covering your organs, spliced
into your skeletal structure? When will you go totally Borg? Where will you
go next?


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Re: [CTRL] No posts for 18.5 hours?

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Amelia, I just checked MS TechNet for info on your problem and couldn't find
anything even remotely related. (This probably means that it's a "known
issue" which Microsquish in its wisdom has not yet seen fit to share with
the hoi polloi.) It sounds to me as if there's a problem with your ISP's
POP3 server--I'd advise you to check with the ISP's tech support people.
They may even have a FAQ that will give you a fix for the problem. Check the
ISP's website for a link to tech support.

Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: Amelia K Edgeman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:55 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] No posts for 18.5 hours?
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Please add my question to the mix--Why does my Outlook Express lock up or
> freeze several times a day?  Then suddenly, it dumps all my e mail & I
> have
> zilch in my inbox even if I had lots unread the day before.  Bother!
> Amelia
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: John Szocik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] No posts for 18.5 hours?
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > I realize this is late, but I have not received any posts for the
> following
> > dates:10-25;
> > 10-26; I got 2 on 10-27; and 2 on 11-2.
> > I too would like to know what gives?!
> > JOHN
> >
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Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue "Failure"

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

I've been more than half convinced that Reagan actually *died* after
Hinckley's assassination "attempt," and that an impersonator was brought in
to take his place. This explains a great many of Reagan's "lapses," which
happened because the impersonator didn't have any instructions on how to
handle those particular situations. Reagan's "Alzheimer's Disease" thus
becomes a convenient way to allow the impersonator to gradually withdraw
from public life and finally "retire." Clearly Bush was actually running the
country throughout "Reagan's" term in office, as well as his own...one of
the very few occasions in this century when an Oligarch has actually taken
the direct reins of power.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 11:57 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue "Failure"
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 11/16/99 7:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> > Key members of the CIA from Bush's tenure as director, were left
> >  in place-though President Carter had been warned to purge the CIA
> >  of Bush and Nixon men. Several moles within the White House and
> >  the National Security Council reported directly to Casey, who in
> >  turn reported to Reagan and Bush,  but mainly Bush. Reagan was
> >  not totally informed of all the details.
> >
>
> Mainly Bush.  He was the man that made it happen then, and later as Pres.
> himself.  This has been my view for some time.  Whoever is in office ad
> makes
> the best promises or has the best track record for supporting bloated
> budgets
> for free rein "intelligence" activities are the ones that the intelligence
> agencies "put out for".  Bush was always the man, going to Yale,
> "spiritual"
> home of the "intelligence set", member of Skull and Bones the "Prep
> school"
> for would be world leaders, and his tireless work behind the scenes in the
> Kennedy assassination (Does anybody know where he was when Bobby was
> offed???), his work for Nixon a big CIA and intelligence supporter and can
> do
> man himself, and his directorate of the CIA itself and his promulgation of
> more obfuscation on their behalf.  Good old George!  And now, here come
> the
> son. . .
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Crowley & Freemasonry

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

GOAT, this is the first truly *sensible* post on Crowley and the Nazis I've
seen in a long time. Crowley as much as admits many, many times that he was
a con artist. Indeed, it seems to be part of the essential teaching method
of occultism to bury genuine truths in a very large pile of manure, and to
then require the student to not simply wade through the manure, but actually
to *digest* it to get at the few nuggets of value...

The Nazi attitude toward the occult was contradictory and paradoxical, as
was everything associated with the Third Reich. When Reinhard Heydrich was
named to head the Sicherheitsdienst (SD, the SS Security Service) in 1935,
his first act was to ban every form of popular and elite occultism, from
Tarot card readers to the Thule-Gesellschaft. At the same time, however, the
SS itself was promulgating its own highly esoteric occultism, centered on
the Wewelsburg in Westphalia in the heart of Nibelung country. There,
Himmler gathered his generals for meditation and seances, seeking to raise
the shades of the heroes of Germany's past... It seems that the Nazis were
not so much outlawing superstition and fakery when they banned occultism, as
they were eliminating actual or potential rivals (such as Rudolph Steiner's
Anthroposophy).

On the occult connections of Nazism, see Nicholas Goodrick-Clark, *The
Occult Roots of Nazism* (1992). Forget Pauwels and Bergier and their
ilk--they rely on third-hand reports of second-hand analyses of dimly
understood conversations, and their conclusions are about as useful as such
sources would suggest. Another excellent work on the intellectual basis of
Nazism is Peter Viereck, *Metapolitics: The Roots of the Nazi Mind* (1940,
1964)--see esp. the chapter on "Neanderthals in Airplanes." (Remember that
the latest evidence suggests that the Neanderthals were cannibals...)

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 5:17 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Crowley & Freemasonry
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 99-11-16 18:02:45 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Nevertheless it is extremely
> >difficult to find any author anywhere who will admit to Crowleyás
> involvement
> >with Hitler, despite the fact that Crowley himself confessed, or more
> >accurately bragged, about it to his associates.
>
> Phooey.  I still accept as accurate what I was told by author Ellic Howe
> --trustee of the archives of the Golden Dawn, who scoured the archives of
> pre-WWII German secret societies looking for magickal connections to
> Nazism--
> when I asked him that $64 million question way back in 1973.  No direct
> connection between Crowley and Hitler --
> only flimsy circumstantial links at two or three removes, through the
> Thule
> society and the like (as well documented by other historians of the
> occult).
> Howe had looked for a connection and never found one, and he was certainly
> aware of what Crowley may or may not have said to his associates.
> (Crowley,
> of course, typically lied like hell about EVERYTHING, and it wouldn't be
> unusual if he even claimed having TAUGHT Hitler ...)
> Even as little as any contact between the OTO more broadly and the Fuehrer
> can't be documented: Unless I'm mistaken, the OTO was one of the occult
> groups Hitler had in fact persecuted, along with the German Freemasons.
> Koenig's website can provide the
> best information on that subject.  Some Nazi wannabees in the group, but
> no
> smoking
> gun.  On the other hand, Peter Levenda and others indicate that Crowley,
> in
> his role as "pro-Nazi" agent provocateur for British Intelligence,
> certainly
> WANTED to strut his stuff
> to impress the Fuehrer.  Apparently he only made it as far as one or two
> men
> who may had the ear of Hitler to some degree or another -- but who never
> got
> him an audience.
>
> Only in the small circle of those who (often pathetically) actually looked
> up
> to Crowley
> was The Great Beast taken seriously.  His collected works are a wonder of
> shameless
> self-promotion, and readers, alas, are too easily conned into accepting at
> face value and as "real" the hyperbolic PR he concocted about himself and
> his
> "magical experiences,"
> when in fact much was deliberate FICTION -- as he himself sometimes
> admitted
> with a wink and a cynical smirk.  If Aleister Crowley learned anything in
> the
> Golden Dawn, it was that "New Agers" were capable of believing almost
> ANYTHING, so long as it was "glamorous" and offered his audience or
> subordinates some sense of being "superior," participating in something
> "grand" -- especially when it gave them license to be "bad."
> IMHO, the facts of AC's life show only that he had an instinct for
> exploiting
> others for
> his own "lower astral" needs, by the trick of "blinding them with (occult)
> science," and as time went on, he got progressively cruder, more dissolute
> and more self-destru

Re: [CTRL] Crowley & Freemasonry

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

FWIW, I've run across a story about one of the "retreats" at the Wewelsburg
called by Himmler for his twelve SS-Gruppenführer (generals), including, of
course, Heydrich. (That there were twelve of them was not a coincidence;
Himmler deliberately invoked the image of the Knights of the Round Table.)
Each man was assigned a room (identified by a medieval knight's heraldic
shield, probably drawn from the Arthurian legends), where he was supposed to
meditate on the classics of German literature, such as *Das Niebelungenlied*
or *Parzival*. And most of them duly, if awkwardly, did just that. Heydrich,
however, did not. Defying Himmler's instructions, he had packed a bottle of
Schnapps, several packs of cigarettes, and a detective novel, and while his
colleagues were contemplating such figures as Siegfried and Klingsor,
Heydrich stretched out comfortably with the latest "Krimi."

Himmler and Heydrich were merely two sides of the same coin. Himmler
believed in the occult, as did many of the Nazi Reichsleiter; Heydrich did
not believe in anything except Heydrich, a belief system shared by quite a
few of the Nazi elite. When Heydrich banned all occult groups and practices,
his objective was to focus the attention of the masses entirely on the
person of Adolf Hitler and the institution of the NSDAP. Himmler's seances
were *not* public affairs; they were intended to raise supernatural power
for the benefit specifically of the SS and particularly its Reichsführer,
Heinrich Himmler. Both Himmler and Heydrich were concerned solely with
power, however that might manifest itself. That Heydrich was a thoroughgoing
cynic (as befitted a Nazi leader who may well have been part Jewish) and
Himmler was a complete, even credulous, believer, becomes essentially
irrelevant in considering their respective roles in the history of the Third
Reich. What matters is the way they exercised their very considerable power,
and the way they increased that power by manipulating the structure and the
symbols of the Nazi state.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:00 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Crowley & Freemasonry
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 11/17/99 1:29:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > The Nazi attitude toward the occult was contradictory and paradoxical,
> as
> >  was everything associated with the Third Reich. When Reinhard Heydrich
> was
> >  named to head the Sicherheitsdienst (SD, the SS Security Service) in
> 1935,
> >  his first act was to ban every form of popular and elite occultism,
> from
> >  Tarot card readers to the Thule-Gesellschaft. At the same time,
> however,
> the
> >  SS itself was promulgating its own highly esoteric occultism, centered
> on
> >  the Wewelsburg in Westphalia in the heart of Nibelung country. There,
> >  Himmler gathered his generals for meditation and seances, seeking to
> raise
> >  the shades of the heroes of Germany's past... It seems that the Nazis
> were
> >  not so much outlawing superstition and fakery when they banned
> occultism,
> as
> >  they were eliminating actual or potential rivals (such as Rudolph
> Steiner's
> >  Anthroposophy).
>
> Truly this is the difference in form from Heydrich and Himmler.  Himmler
> "seems" to have been much more inclined towards hedging his bets on
> occultism
> and was much more credible in these matters than Heydrich who was a
> pragmatic
> materialist (at least so far as we know).  It is probably a really good
> thing
> that Heydrich was offed and Himmler was the main man because the war would
> have been worse.  Incidentally I don't buy the British offing of Heydrich
> story, and attribute his death to more of a mystery, perhaps with Himmler
> behind it or other members of the Nazi party.
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue "Failure"

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Intriguing. But my point about an Oligarch actually running the country
directly is still, I think, accurate...Nixon hardly qualified as a member of
the Oligarchy, even though he might have liked to think of himself that way.
He was recruited, guided, and controlled every step of the way.

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 5:09 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue "Failure"
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 99-11-17 12:57:50 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Clearly Bush was actually running the
> >country throughout "Reagan's" term in office, as well as his own...one of
> >the very few occasions in this century when an Oligarch has actually
> taken
> >the direct reins of power.
>
> But not the first time a VP in the background has run the show.  I keep
> running into references to the little-known fact that when Allen Dulles
> was
> ill between 1956-1957, vice president Richard Nixon actually ran the CIA
> --
> and through it, US foreign policy..
> Seems Bush's mentor Nixon was "virtual" President under a golf-playing
> Eisenhower,
> which may have inspired VP Bush to look for a similar opportunity under
> Reagan ...
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] (2/2) Who Killed JFK? Communists or NAZIS?

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

There is an important difference between the Italian Fascist "corporatism"
and the "corporate state" of American-style monopoly capitalism. Mussolini's
model was based loosely on the medieval "estates," with elements of the
guild system thrown in for good measure. Italian "corporations" were
conceived of as *social* entities, defining one's place in the Fascist
state, as much as they were *economic* entities. Each corporation comprised
the total workforce of a given industry, from top management to the lowest
maintenance worker on the shop floor. Within the hierarchy of Fascism, every
member of a corporation was considered (theoretically) to be the equal of
every other member, regardless of prior social or economic standing. This
decidedly leftist bent, with its contempt for traditional elites and
particularly for the mercantile establishment, was characteristic of both
Fascism and National Socialism, especially in their earlier stages.

The "corporate state" as we know and love it today is a different breed of
cat entirely. The Italian corporations were more like American industrial
unions (CIO) than they were like modern corporations. The modern American
corporation is characterized by a strict hierarchy based on income and
established power. A rigid wall is erected between "management" and "labor,"
with precise protocol governing interactions between the two. Power in the
American corporation is concentrated in the board of directors; and because
corporate boards frequently, even usually, overlap in membership a pattern
of interlocking directorates emerges, effectively producing
behind-the-scenes coordination and collaboration to manipulate the
supposedly free market. And, because the interlocking directorates include
the vast majority of potential political leaders, it is these combined
boards--the Oligarchy, to borrow Jack London's term from *The Iron
Heel*--that control the political process, manipulating the "marketplace of
ideas" in the same way they manipulate the economic marketplace.

More on this later...

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:06 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] (2/2) Who Killed JFK?  Communists or NAZIS?
>
>  
>
> Too much attention, IMHO, is given to Hitler's Nazi Germany as the epitome
> of
> fascism, thanks to its atrocities, when the ideology of Fascism really
> began
> in Mussolini's Italy,
> where the Roman Empire was remembered nostalgically, with dreams of
> reviving
> it.
>
> The "neo-classical" atmosphere promoted by the Nazis at Germany's hosting
> of
> the Olympics, for example, was first evident in the official iconography
> of
> Fascism in Italy.
>
> Before Hitler redefined it for us, fascism was only, as Mussolini wrote,
> "the
> Corporate State" -- which became the blueprint for ALL nations, even our
> own,
> after the military takeover of production --hence "the Military-Industrial
> Complex"-- during World War II.
>
> I wonder how the "Conspiracy Theory" view of post-War history would see
> things if, instead of being obsessed with Hitler and Teutonic Nazism, it
> paid
> more attention to Mussolini's elitist corporate technocratic state -- to
> the
> ROMAN model of Fascism?
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Occult / Intelligence [repost]

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Verrry interesting... A little bird is whispering in my ear, "Ira Einhorn,
Ira Einhorn..." Ira the con-man would fit right in with this scenario,
wouldn't he?

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:36 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Occult / Intelligence  [repost]
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Subj:   Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Inteligence / Occult ??
> Date:   97-06-10 19:23:10 EDT
> From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Das GOAT)
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> In a message dated 97-06-10 16:49:23 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Acacia
> Press, Inc.) writes:
>
> >IF you approach it from the perspective of 'control' it makes a lot of
> >sense for intellegence services to be interested in the occult.
> >
> >Intelligence services are always looking for ways to influence and
> control
> >people/populations. Pathways for social control and manipulation include
> >the media, drugs, and cultural/social institutions.
>
>
> Excellent observations on the subject from a different angle, very
> relevant
> here.
>
> There are abundant examples of exactly this kind of relationship between
> the
> CIA and "occultism" or "mysticism" from the mid-70s, when (from what I'd
> observed when this was a subject of great concern to me) our intelligence
> agencies apparently launched upon a whole program of studying,
> infiltrating
> and co-opting authoritarian "cult" structures as avenues of COLLECTIVE
> rather
> than individual "mind control."  

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[CTRL] Corsican Separatists Jailed in Rare Trial

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Corsican Separatists Jailed in Rare Trial

PARIS, Nov 18 (Reuters) - A French anti-terrorist court on Thursday
sentenced three Corsican separatists to jail terms ranging from two to five
years in connection with a failed bomb attack on a public building on the
Mediterranean island.

The trial was only the second involving Corsican guerrillas since the court
was set up 13 years ago, although separatists have carried out hundreds of
bombings in Corsica during the period.

It came one day after a special Senate report slammed the justice system's
inefficiency in Corsica and said its record in solving robberies and
terrorist attacks was "catastrophic."

Didier Martinetti and Antoine Salasca got five years for their part in the
abortive attack three years ago, which was foiled by a police patrol. For
lack of evidence, they were cleared of bombing another public building the
same day.

Guy Poggi was sentenced to two years in jail with another year suspended for
possessing explosives and belonging to an armed group.

The court was created after a wave of bomb attacks connected with the Middle
East rocked France. It is made up only of professional magistrates in order
to avoid any attempt to intimidate jurors.

The Senate and National Assembly both issued reports this week that accused
security forces of inefficiency and denounced rivalries among anti-terrorism
magistrates, saying they had repeatedly failed to bring cases against
suspects.

Copyright 1999 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


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[CTRL] Russia Denies Bombing Georgia by Mistake

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Russia Denies Bombing Georgia by Mistake

MOSCOW, Nov 18 (Reuters) - Russia rejected suggestions on Thursday that its
helicopters had dropped bombs on a region of Georgia, saying the reports
were disinformation aimed at souring relations between the two ex-Soviet
states.

Georgia said on Wednesday that unidentified helicopters attacked a village
on the border with the rebel Russian region of Chechnya, prompting suspicion
that Russia had mistakenly dropped bombs intended for the Chechnen rebels.

Russian warplanes fighting Chechen-based Islamic guerrillas mistakenly
attacked Georgian territory in August, forcing Moscow to apologise.

"Russian helicopters did not drop the bombs," a spokesman for Russia's
Defence Ministry said by telephone on Thursday, reading a statement.

"The Russian helicopters were carrying out combat reconnaissance of a
section of road on Russian territory leading from Itum-Kale to the
Russian-Georgian state border. The results of the task were recorded on
video," he said.

The spokesman said suggestions that Russian helicopters had attacked Georgia
were "malicious disinformation aimed at complicating traditionally friendly
ties between Russia and Georgia and misleading world opinion over the action
of Russian troops to destroy bandit and terrorist groups (in Chechnya)."

Georgia's President Eduard Shevardnadze, in Turkey for a summit of the
Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), called the
bombing a provocation on Wednesday and demanded that Russia investigate the
incident.

No one was injured in the attack.

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[CTRL] S.African Govt Defends New Gun Control Plans

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"Under the bill, which is bound to cause an outcry among the gun lobby, a
person who is a part time hunter or sports shooter may be allowed to own up
to four guns. ... However, someone who simply wants to own a firearm for
self-defence purposes will be limited to one gun and 200 rounds of
ammunition and have to reapply for a licence every two years."
==
S.African Govt Defends New Gun Control Plans

CAPE TOWN, Nov 18 (Reuters) - South Africa's government, facing strong
opposition to a draft law on gun controls approved by the cabinet, stressed
on Thursday the new curbs were to stop criminals and not legal firearms
owners.

Safety and Security Minister Steve Tshwete gave this assurance at a news
conference on the planned new restrictions on gun use in South Africa, where
more than 25,000 murders are committed each year -- half of them with guns.

"This is not an attempt to disarm any sector of our society except for those
who use firearms in the commission of crime or violence," Tshwete told the
news conference following Wednesday's cabinet approval of the draft law.

Police lawyer Louis Kok, who helped draft the bill, said 85 percent or
nearly 75,000 of the violent robberies carried out last year in South
Africa, one of the world's most crime-ridden countries, involved the use of
firearms.

The bill, dogged by controversy during the drafting process, limits
ownership of guns and ammunition, requires regular relicensing, bars people
convicted of violent crimes, creates gun free zones and gives police
sweeping new powers.

South Africa's predominantly white gun lobby argues that the problem lies in
illegal -- not legal -- weapons and has demonstrated strongly against the
bill during its drafting.

"The bill...sends a clear and loud message, that this government has dealt a
decisive blow to violent criminals given that guns are the common
denominator in crimes ranging from rape to domestic violence, hijacking and
robbery," Tshwete said.

Police say there are 3.5 million licensed firearms spread among the
country's 1.9 million licensed gun owners.

However, the police estimate that there are only 500,000 illegal weapons in
the country while pro-gun lobbyists put the figure at close to four million.

GUN OWNERSHIP TO BE LIMITED

In a major change to current practice that is likely to offend civil rights
activists, the bill allows police to fingerprint anyone suspected of being
involved in an offence.

"The current law does not allow fingerprinting to eliminate a suspect," Kok
said, acknowledging that the bill was bound to be challenged in court on
several issues.

"We have made provision in the bill to limit the right to privacy as little
as possible...But we expect the bill to be challenged in the Constitutional
Court," he said.

Under the bill, which is bound to cause an outcry among the gun lobby, a
person who is a part time hunter or sports shooter may be allowed to own up
to four guns.

However, someone who simply wants to own a firearm for self-defence purposes
will be limited to one gun and 200 rounds of ammunition and have to reapply
for a licence every two years.

Professional hunters, sports shooters, people involved in the security
business and collectors will be allowed to own as many guns as they want.

"Weapons used for hunting or sports shooting are not normally used in
crimes," Kok explained.

Jail terms for firearm offences range up to 25 years -- although there is no
minimum -- and the fine for simply failing to store a licensed weapon
properly is 5,000 rand the first time, rising to 15,000 on the second
offence.

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Re: [CTRL] Crowley & Freemasonry

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

I definitely agree with you about Heydrich having been the greater threat.
He was in many ways the ultimate bureaucrat--completely amoral, completely
task-oriented. One writer (I forget who) refers to a comment Hitler made the
first time he met Heydrich: "He entered my heart like cold steel." The man
had the most frightening eyes...hooded, like a snake's. Of all the people
who could be considered candidates for reptilioids, Heydrich was the most
plausible. Compared to him, "der treue Heinrich" was a dilettante, a
romantic dreamer.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 11:07 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Crowley & Freemasonry
>
...
> Thank you.  I am familiar with the story you relate about the happenings
> at
> Wewelsburg.  I believe that Himmler because of his more credible nature
> lacked the focus that was necessary to do the job that needed to be done.
> I
> believe he spread himself too thin.  I believe that Heydrich was a much
> bigger threat because he had his minds eye focussed on the objective
> always.
> That is the only point I wished to make, and I certainly agree with the
> rest
> of your comments.  Credibility for the occult and supernatural in no way
> make
> a person "less" evil for his actions or potential harm, neither does it
> necessarily make that person not intelligent enough to make sharp
> decisions
> when necessary.  There was most assuredly a difference between the two
> men.
> Because of that difference I'm glad it was not Heydrich in charge of the
> SS
> later in the war.
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Occult / Intelligence [repost]

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I think we're starting to see through the fog to something of the
truth about Ira Einhorn. Your description of him as "basically a lazy bum
who liked to tack himself on where he thought he could get some good press
or enhance his image, without really doing any work" is right on the mark.
In short, he was just the kind of person the CIA and other intelligence
agencies could make very good use of as a "useful idiot."

His extradiction is tied up in the French courts right now; you'll
remember that the French judge ordered him extradited, but Einhorn
immediately appealed. Pennsylvania had to pass a special law guaranteeing
him a second trial de novo, to get around the French objections to a
conviction in absentia; once that was in place, the French judiciary had
little choice but to extradite him. However, the appeal process will be very
lengthy, which is what Ira is counting on.

> -Original Message-
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>
> In a message dated 11/18/99 12:55:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Verrry interesting... A little bird is whispering in my ear, "Ira
> Einhorn,
> >  Ira Einhorn..." Ira the con-man would fit right in with this scenario,
> >  wouldn't he?
> >
>
> The post was interesting indeed.  Your mention of the "Unicorn" prompts my
> comments.  There is much in the case of Einhorn which is really weird.
> His
> involvement with Geller and Puharich, and supposed knowledge of Tesla
> technology and contacts with certain Eastern Europeans.  His contacts in
> AT&T, and presumably other Corporations, as well as his influence in
> cult-like groups and his efforts at guru status himself are just some of
> them.  He always struck me as a wannabe type more than anything else, that
> is
> not to say that he didn't have any information or was not privy to some
> knowledge but he was basically a lazy bum who liked to tack himself on
> where
> he thought he could get some good press or enhance his image, without
> really
> doing any work.  He allowed an image to develop about him which had him
> being
> the nexus of many different things going on at the time.  It may be he was
> played like a violin by the CIA and others and was a convenient throw away
> when the time came to shake things up.
> I, for one, would certainly like to see more of this information come to
> light, BTW what is the deal with his extradiction anyway?
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Carter's Hostage Rescue "Failure"

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I've never been able to figure out what exactly Rockefeller's role was.
AFAIK, Ford never consulted him on anything; the only significant
contribution he made was to chair the commission that catalogued the
assorted emergency declarations going back to Lincoln. My sense is that
while Nelson Rockefeller was indeed an Oligarch, his power was waning by
that time; within the family, authority was passing to David and Jay, and
the vice presidency was almost one last sinecure for the patriarch, so close
to the office he had sought for so long and which had always eluded him.
Besides, by that time, power within the Oligarchy (or perhaps that should be
"Oilgarchy") was shifting to George Bush the First, who even then epitomized
the permanent government... (See Trevanian's *Shibumi* for some trenchant
comments on the role of Big Oil in "public affairs.")

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>
> In a message dated 99-11-18 12:01:43 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >Intriguing. But my point about an Oligarch actually running the country
> >directly is still, I think, accurate...Nixon hardly qualified as a member
> of
> >the Oligarchy, even though he might have liked to think of himself that
> way.
> >He was recruited, guided, and controlled every step of the way.
>
> True, not an "oligarch."  Now, how about "vice president" Nelson
> Rockefeller?
>
>

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[CTRL] USGS Reports That West Nile Virus Goes Beyond Crows

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http://www.usgs.gov/public/press/public_affairs/press_releases/pr1109m.html
News Release
U.S. Department of the Interior
U.S. Geological Survey
Address 6006 Schroeder Road Madison, WI 53711
Release November 17, 1999
Contact Paul Slota Robert McLean
Phone 608-270-2420
Fax 608-270-2401


USGS Reports That West Nile Virus Goes Beyond Crows

NOTE TO EDITORS: Dr. Robert G. McLean, Director of the USGS National
Wildlife Health Center, Madison, Wis., will testify at a congressional field
hearing on the West Nile virus, slated for December 14, at Fairfield
University, Fairfield, Conn. The hearing will be in the School of Business
Dining Hall. Dr. McLean will be available following the hearing. For more
information on the hearing, call Olivia Ferriter, 703-648-4054.

The virus that can cause West Nile encephalitis in humans is not only found
in crows, according to scientists at the U.S. Geological Survey's National
Wildlife Health Center in Madison, Wis. USGS has recently released a list of
18 bird species that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention(CDC) in
Fort Collins, Colo. confirmed as having tested positive for the West Nile
virus, including:

American crow
Ring-billed gull
Yellow-billed cuckoo
Rock dove
Sandhill crane
Blue jay
Bald eagle
Laughing gull
Black-crowned night-heron
Mallard
American robin
Fish crow
Red-tailed hawk
Broad-winged hawk
Cooper's hawk
Belted kingfisher
American kestrel
Herring gull

"Although the cause of death has not been determined in all cases, we can
assume that these birds were exposed to the virus in the tri-state area of
New York, New Jersey and Connecticut," said Dr. Robert McLean, USGS wildlife
biologist and director of the Madison Center. "Some of these species could
play a significant role as we track the spread of this disease."

McLean added, "The variety of birds is disturbing because many of these
species migrate to other areas and could potentially disseminate the disease
elsewhere. The good news is, with the exception of American crows, there
were only a few individual birds from each respective species thattested
positive. It is still too early to tell if this is because they are not as
susceptible or they were not as readily observed as crows."

Monitoring mortality in American crows is especially important because crows
appear to be highly sensitive to the virus. Since many crows normally travel
less than 200 miles they can act as sentinels for local transmission of the
disease.

"At this time it is difficult to assess how many birds have died from this
disease. While some of the affected areas have reported very high bird
mortality, especially in crows, a number of the birds have died from other
causes," said USGS wildlife disease specialist Linda Glaser. "About
49percent of the 392 birds tested by the USGS and CDC have tested positive
for West Nile virus."

McLean and his team of USGS biologists have been taking blood samples from
migratory and non-migratory birds in the New York area to get a sense of the
extent that bird populations and various species were exposed to thevirus.
"This information, in addition to being shared with the CDC, will be used in
establishing an effective surveillance network to track the virus and
ultimately learn how it could impact our native bird populations,"
saidMcLean.

There is still much that is unknown about the ecology of the virus and how
it will respond to its new environment in the United States. "Once a bird is
infected, the virus can be transmitted to mosquitoes only for about 4 to 5
days. Although this appears to be a short time, many birds can migrate
hundreds of miles within that time. It will be important to find out what
species are involved in the transmission of the virus and if migratory
birds, including crows, are capable of moving the virus to new
locations,"said McLean.

The USGS will continue to focus on collecting information that will help
determine the extent of the wildlife species involved, the geographic and
temporal distribution of the virus, and whether the disease is continuing to
expand to new sites.

McLean emphasized that with so many state and federal agencies involved in
the West Nile investigation, he is optimistic that scientists will learn
what role migratory birds may play in determining if the West Nile viruswill
find a permanent home in the western hemisphere and what impact it will have
on our native species.

Periodically, the USGS issues Wildlife Health Alerts to keep natural
resource agencies appraised of wildlife health or disease issues that may
threaten free-ranging and captive wildlife. USGS, along with several state
and federal and local natural resource, public and animal health agencies,is
diligently monitoring the spread of the virus by conducting field
investigations, processing wildlife specimens, and keeping these agencies
informed through the USGS Wildlife Health Alerts.

The USGS is also developing digital maps to monitor the expansion and range
of 

[CTRL] New Mosquito Repellent: Peppermint Oil?

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

You mean we *didn't* need all those insecticides?

http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19991120/newsstory7.html

Mean and minty

PEPPERMINT OIL could be a new, cheap weapon in the fight against
mosquito-borne diseases such as malaria, filariasis, dengue fever and West
Nile virus. Researchers in India have found that the oil not only repels
adult mosquitoes but also kills the larvae.

A team led by Musharrah Ansari of the Malaria Research Centre and Padma
Vasudevan of the Centre for Rural Development and Technology in Delhi
extracted the oil from locally grown peppermint (Mentha piperita). The
researchers tested the oil on the larvae of three mosquito species--Aedes
aegypti (which carries dengue fever), Anopheles stephensi (malaria) and
Culex quinquefasciatus (filariasis and West Nile virus).

They spread films of peppermint oil on the water in the trays housing the
larvae. When the concentration of oil was 3 millilitres per square metre of
water, all the C. quinquefasciatus larvae died within a day, along with 90
per cent of A. aegypti and 85 per cent of A. stephensi. Higher
concentrations should kill all the larvae.

Volunteers doused in peppermint oil spent several nights outside as bait for
mosquitoes. The protection offered varied slightly between the different
mosquito species, but averaged around 85 per cent. It was particularly
effective against Anopheles culicifacies, which is responsible for around
three- quarters of malaria transmissions in the northern plains of India.
This follows the discovery that compounds isolated from another member of
the mint family, catnip, repel cockroaches (New Scientist, 28 August, p 22).


Christopher Curtis, a medical entomologist at the London School of Hygiene
and Tropical Medicine, welcomes the news. However, he cautions that the
Indian team is using far more oil than would be needed to do the same job
with a commercial insecticide: "You would need tonnes of leaves to treat all
the breeding sites around a village," he says.

Source: Bioresource Technology (vol 71, p 267)
Michelle Knott

>From New Scientist, 20 November 1999



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[CTRL] Mandating Vaccines: Government Practicing Medicine Without a Lice nse?

[Tatman, Robert]

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from the *Medical Sentinel*, http://www.haciendapub.com/article25.html

Guest Editorial

Mandating Vaccines: Government Practicing Medicine Without a License?

Jane M. Orient, M.D.

The issue of mandatory vaccines is becoming increasingly important: Dozens
of Americans have given testimony to Congressional committees about adverse
effects (including death) of vaccines, particularly in children; military
personnel are being court-martialed for refusing required anthrax
vaccinations; etc. And yet, the public health establishment in this country
has not only downplayed the adverse effects and complications of vaccines,
insisting that vaccines are safe and effective, but it continues to support
mandatory vaccination programs.

Dr. Jane Orient --- who spoke at the Doctors for Disaster Preparedness (DDP)
meeting on this subject and submitted a statement to the Subcommittee on
Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources of the House Government
Reform Committee on behalf of AAPS, June 14, 1999 --- was invited to write
this column in lieu of my Editor's Corner for the benefit of AAPS members
and the readers of the Medical Sentinel. She thus bring us up-to-date on
this momentous topic.---Editor.

The Source of Mandates

By means of vaccine policy, which was previously discussed in these
pages,(1) the federal government is effectively making critical medical
decisions for an entire generation of American children. The mechanism is a
public-private partnership. "Recommendations" issue from the Advisory
Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), a small group whose members have
incestuous ties(2) with agencies that stand to gain power, or manufacturers
that stand to gain enormous profits, from the policy that is made. Even if
such members recuse themselves from specific votes, they are permitted to
participate in discussions and thus influence the decision.

ACIP recommendations frequently become mandatory through actions of state
legislatures, or through state health departments to which legislatures have
delegated such authority. State policy is generally enforced by school
districts, which set requirements for school attendance. Some children, as
reported by ABC's 20/20, are being home schooled because they have not
received all the required vaccines.

An Inversion of Medical Ethics and a Reversal of Public Health Policy

Mandates have a profound effect on medical practice. Once a vaccine is
mandated for children, the manufacturer and the physician administering the
vaccine are substantially relieved of liability for adverse effects.(3) The
relationship of patient and physician is shattered: in administering the
vaccine, the physician is serving as the agent of the state. To the extent
that the physician simply complies, without making an independent evaluation
of the appropriateness of the vaccine for each patient, he is abdicating his
responsibility under the Oath of Hippocrates to "prescribe regimen for the
good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do
harm to anyone." Instead, he is applying the new population-based ethic in
which the interests of the individual patient may be sacrificed to the
"needs of society."

If a physician advises against a mandated vaccine, he faces increased legal
liability if the patient is infected with the disease. In addition, he may
risk his very livelihood if he is dependent upon income from "health plans"
that use vaccine compliance as a measure of "quality."

It is perhaps not surprising, although still reprehensible, that physicians
sometimes behave in a very callous manner toward parents who question the
need for certain vaccines. I have even heard reports of physicians
threatening to call Child Protective Services to remove the child from
parental custody if a parent refused a vaccine --- even after the child had
screamed inconsolably for hours after each of the first two doses. The
federal policy of mandating vaccines marks a monumental change in the
concept of public health. Traditionally, public health authorities
restricted the liberties of individuals only in case of a clear and present
danger to public health. For example, individuals infected with a
transmissible disease were quarantined. Today, a child may be deprived of
his liberty to associate with others, or even of his supposed right to a
public education, simply because of being unimmunized. Yet, if a child is
uninfected, his unprotected status is not a threat to anyone else. On the
other hand, immunization of a child who is already infected (or who becomes
infected in spite of the vaccine) is of no protective value to anyone. This
represents a reversal of the earlier policy of preventing exposure to
infectious agents. In fact, it takes exposure --- as to contaminated needles
or promiscuous sex --- as a given, while begging the question of whether
protection against hepatitis B has any overall effect on morbidity or
mortality in a population that also exposes i

Re: [CTRL] Royal Goss

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

I frankly think that degenerate royalty is the more likely scenario,
particularly because it does not require any stretching of the imagination.
The European aristocracy have always compartmentalized their morality,
behaving quite differently in private from their public image. If Diana had
opened her eyes a little sooner and accepted what she had gotten into, she
could probably have had all the sordid little affairs she wanted... Her
mistake was to go public with her indignation. (Leaving aside the question
of whether the NWO had targeted her to be Queen of Heaven from the
beginning...but another "tragic end" could easily have been arranged, of
course.)

> -Original Message-
> From: earthman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 11:28 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Royal Goss
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Oo this is a bit of Royal gossip..he he
>
> Peter
>
> Those of us in England, who are republicans, have obviously never liked
> the
> monarchy. Once, we had to keep our views firmly to ourselves, as the come
> out against the Sovereign, meant being branded as a social pariah.  Now,
> with a third of us being republican, we  can now be completely free, to
> criticise the British monarchy, without any fear.
>
> For years, there has been a doubt, over the fatherhood of both Charles and
> Andrew. This was spoken only by the press, when alone together - and it
> was
> never printed.  It was said, that the father of Prince Andrew, was the
> late
> Lord Carnavon, who held the position, as the Queen's horse racing manager.
> He is now buried, in the royal plot at Windsor - a status without
> precedent
> for any non royal.
>
> There, also has also been an underground story, involving the sexual
> preferences of Prince Phillip.  A maid, happened to see Phil the Greek one
> night, in a compromising position with a palace gardener.  After seeing
> the
> two men "together", behind the  ornamental bushes, a classic cover-up took
> place. This fortunate young woman, was given such a huge pension, that she
> has never had to work again.
>
> Now this is the stuff, that I can believe in, but now with Icke, all of
> this
> becomes irrelevant.  We, now have to suddenly accept another agenda - and
> that is a reptilian one.  It is very difficult to change a mind set, after
> many years of seeing them as degenerated humanity.
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #1

[Tatman, Robert]

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Oh, but they squeal so delightfully!

>>* No neoconservative pundits were tortured to produce this
bulletin.

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Re: [CTRL] This is not a Bible discussion list .

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Encoded in all Indo-European mythologies is an apocalyptic battle between
opposing divine armies. In India (Mahabharata) and Rome (Sabine War), the
battle is semi-euhemerized into legendary history. The Greek version pits
the Olympians against the Titans; the Irish counterpart is the Second Battle
of Mag Tuiredh (Moytura) between the Tuatha De Danaan and the Fomoire.
Perhaps the most "apocalyptic" version, in the sense in which that term is
used now, is the Norse Ragnarök, with the Æsir fighting against assorted
jötunn (giants), traitors (Loki), and monsters (the Fenris wolf and the
Midgard Serpent, both Loki's offspring), in a conflict that ushers in the
destruction of the world by fire and ice and the birth of a new world with a
new generation of gods. The clearest sense of conspiracy is found among the
perennially paranoid Iranians, with their stark division of celestial beings
into good and bad, white and black, light and darkness, truth and lie; the
Zarathustran reform depersonalized many of the old Iranian deities, turned
them into demons, and aligned them squarely with Ahriman, the prototype of
the Christian "Devil" and archfoe of the champion of Light, Ormazd
(Ahura-Mazda). One wonders just what might be found by a really thorough
archaeological examination of the region around the Caspian Sea now believed
to be the Indo-European homeland...or perhaps *under* the Caspian Sea...

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 9:01 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] This is not a Bible discussion list .
>
>  -Caveat Lector-

> Important to keep in mind, however, that it is, as I say, only ONE of
> those
> hypotheses,
> and it should be taken for granted that it will NOT be accorded any
> "privileged" status
> alongside OTHER hypotheses, which, please note, may ALSO be of a
> "theological" or
> philosophical nature -- for example, Indo-Iranian Dualism (a major source
> for
> what later
> turned up in the Old Testament, according to scholars) and its offshoot,
> Gnosticism, (which played a major role in shaping several "orthodox"
> beliefs
> in early Christianity),
> or Western Pythagorean-Platonism and Neoplatonism (one basis for
> "Hermeticism")
> and its Eastern equivalent in Kabbalah -- or even the "mythologies" (more
> accurately "religions") of the Sumerians, non-Israelite Semites,
> Indo-Europeans  -- who, by the way, ALSO refer to something like an
> Arch-Conspirator and a cosmic Coup d'Etat --  e.g., in the Greek story of
> Prometheus and in the Babylonian account of "Creation."


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Re: [CTRL] The Invisible Dynasty Lives On

[Tatman, Robert]

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Ah, you noticed the Cecil connection! Consider this together with the
flirtation of numerous members of the Royal Family and also of the Blairs
with the Catholic Church...add in the growing rapprochement of the mainline
Protestant denominations with the Catholic Church...and wonder...


> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 9:19 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] The Invisible Dynasty Lives On
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>   With so many peers being disenfranchised, wouldn't you know it,
> a
> CECIL --for today, it's Lord Cranborne-- still sits in the House of Lords.
>   And alongside him sits Lord Carrington, who's not only a
> Rothschild
> by blood but the current head of the Bilderbergers ...
>
>

> Earl of LongfordLord Pakenham of Cowley
>   [sitting as Lord
>   Silchester & Pakenham]


Question: Is this Michael Pakenham, the eminent historian?

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Re: [CTRL] 40 days is 40 years!!

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Depends on your definition of "worldwide." If your world is limited by your
ability to travel, then a worldwide event need not be as large as it would
have to be to qualify today. Perhaps in this context we need to read "KNOWN
world" for "world"...

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>
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>
> In a message dated 99-11-20 16:17:25 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >WASHINGTON (November 19, 1999 4:52 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) -
> The
> >man who tracked down the Titanic and other undersea mysteries has found
> >evidence that the Black Sea was inundated in a giant flood about 7,000
> years
> >ago - perhaps the biblical flood of Noah.
>
> Just another LOCAL flood, no evidence at all of the Bible's WORLDWIDE
> Deluge.
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

[Tatman, Robert]

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Why, everyone KNOWS that the Nazis discovered the Ark of the Covenant and
hid it in a mineshaft in Bavaria along with the Spear of Longinus and
Hitler's foreskin. These treasures were subsequently recovered by a special
U.S. Army unit following the German surrender, and they are now held in a
tightly guarded warehouse of the National Archives in Arlington, Virginia...

> -Original Message-
> From: Nurev Ind Research [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:50 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> David Rupp wrote:
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Someone just sent this link to another list that I read:
> > http://www.fine-art.com/Steadman/ark.txt
> > It seems that the Ark has been located and it's in the hands of the
> Israeli
> > government. I'm sure that most of us can rest easy now, and JAH can find
> a
> > new crusade. Good luck!
> >
> > David Rupp
> > Get caught up in The Web of Fate at
> > http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html.
>
> I beg to differ. It is not in the hands of the Israelis. It is in
> a wooden box in a HUGE government warehouse somewhere in the USA.
>
> Joshua2 ;}
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Are Copiers used to Track us?

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

This has been true almost as long as there have been photocopiers. Each
machine has what amounts to its own "signature." Back during the Vietnam War
years, there were at least two cases where the FBI used the copier
"signature" in an attempt to trace illegally-copied materials--materials
stolen from the Federal government. The two cases I'm aware of are the
Pentagon Papers and the break-in at the FBI Field Office in Media, PA, in
1970; there must have been others. The technology then was obviously far
less sophisticated than today's, so J.J. Johnson's story doesn't surprise me
in the least. I'm a little surprised that he didn't know it's illegal to
photocopy official documents in color; current copying technology is so good
that counterfeiters have used color copiers to produce bogus currency which
is indistinguishable to the eye from the "real thing." This is why the new
$100 and $20 bills with their "counterfeit-proof" features were introduced;
the $5 and $10 denominations are in the works. As to Kris's question up
front, "Are copiers used to track us?" it's not so much a question of "are
they used?" as that they *can* be used to track us; and it always *has* been
possible to do that.

> -Original Message-
> From: Kris Millegan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 12:27 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Are Copiers used to Track us?
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Click Here: http://www.jj-johnson.com/">JJ-Johnson.com
> -
> Can this be confirmed? Is this a true statement by the kinko employee? Any
> copier techs out there?
> Om
> K
> -
> Are Copiers used to Track us?
>
> News and Editorial  By J.J. Johnson
> November 20, 1999
>
> It started off innocent enough. Due an identification problem with my
> local
> phone company, I went out to get color copies of both my driver's license
> and
> my social security card. The day was Saturday, November 20, 1999. I went
> to
> the local Kinko's Copies.
>
> It was a simple request. The supervisor took my ID and made a black and
> white
> copy, then handed to me.
>
> "Excuse me," I said. "I asked for color copies."
>
> He responded that he could not do that. "It's illegal," he replied.
>
> I asked him to explain his statement and he told me it had to do with
> people
> who might engage in counterfeiting. He was not accusing me, since it was
> obvious the photo on the Nevada driver's license matched my face. I
> offered a
> compromise.
>
> "What if you just copied them and ran a red line through them so they
> could
> not be copied again?"
> His response is what makes this story so hot...
>
> "...Sir, all these machines place invisible codes on the copies. If the
> Secret
> Service tracked this back to this store and me, I would be in big
> trouble..."
>


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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4

[Tatman, Robert]

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Ooookay, under the proposed new "ergonomic workplace" regulations, does her
employer have to adapt her workstation to prevent further injury? *How*
would you...er, is there...umm. I can't figure out how to say this, but you
get the picture...I think... 

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 2:08 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4
>
<<# Phone-sex operator wins masturbation injury claim. The woman,
40, said she
  developed carpal tunnel syndrome in both hands from masturbating
as often
  as 7 times daily doing hot-chat with callers. She'll get benefits
for the
  injuries.
http://news.excite.com/news/r/991119/13/fl-life-phonesex>>

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Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Well, a friend of mine has an infallible incantation for malfunctioning
copiers, which he inherited from his sons: "Abracadabra peanut butter
sandwiches!" This is demonstrably more effective than calling the copier
service tech...

> -Original Message-
> From: Kelly [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> http://www.nettoilet.com/news/getarticle.shtml?1999/11/14/item5.html
>
> InternetTrash News
>Monday, 15-Nov-1999 13:39:21 EST
>
> BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?
>
> BAYSIDE, N.Y. (Wireless Flash) -- Next time the office photocopier
>breaks down, don't call a mechanic -- call a psychic. According to
> New
>York-based medium Shelley Peck, photocopiers often go kerplunk after
>they absorb too much "negative psychic energy." Peck claims a copy
>machine will have problems if it's used to make copies of negative
>subject matter -- like memos announcing office job cuts or scandalous
>news stories. She says copiers can also become "cursed" when nearby
>workers bicker or use bad words around the machine. To protect your
>copy machine from negative vibes, Peck suggests hanging a piece of
>copper or black onyx in the copy room to absorb any negative energy
>emitted from the machine.
>
> http://www.nettoilet.com/news/getarticle.shtml?1999/11/15/item6.html
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

It works for fax machines, too, except the ones that dial your voice line
and squeal at you when they don't get another modem...

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>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Tatman, Robert wrote:
>
> > Well, a friend of mine has an infallible incantation for malfunctioning
> > copiers, which he inherited from his sons: "Abracadabra peanut butter
> > sandwiches!" This is demonstrably more effective than calling the copier
> > service tech...
>
> Oh, thank you Robert!  I'll have to try that as kicking and swearing at
> it only seems to worsen the situation!  Would you also have an
> incantation for fax machines?  For some reason they seem to despise me.
>
> Kelly
>
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Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

No, no...you EAT the peanut butter sandwiches!

> -Original Message-
> From: Kelly [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:30 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Kelly wrote:
>
> > Tatman, Robert wrote:
> >
> > > Well, a friend of mine has an infallible incantation for
> malfunctioning
> > > copiers, which he inherited from his sons: "Abracadabra peanut butter
> > > sandwiches!" This is demonstrably more effective than calling the
> copier
> > > service tech...
> >
> > Oh, thank you Robert!  I'll have to try that as kicking and swearing at
> > it only seems to worsen the situation!  Would you also have an
> > incantation for fax machines?  For some reason they seem to despise me.
>
>
> P.S.  Is there some secret slot where you insert the peanut butter
> sandwiches?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kelly
>
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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Out of the phlogiston, like maggots appearing spontaneously on rotten meat
in a vacuum jar?

> -Original Message-
>
>>* Nothing was done to produce this bulletin. It spontaneously
coalesced...<<

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Yup, it's the Green Revolution all over again. Back in the 1950's, Western
agricultural techniques, especially chemical fertilizers and pesticides,
were supposed to be the salvation of the Third World, particularly India. So
now, two generations later, they've deforested their land, exhausted their
fields, and bred pesticide-resistant insects. And what do they do? Why,
instead of looking at what went wrong, they studiously ignore it and turn
once again to the Great Scientific Magician who, with one wave of his wand,
is supposed to cure all their ills and feed their multitudes... Riiight!

> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:35 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3
>
>># FrankenFood Is Asia's Savior. SINGAPORE (Reuters) Genetically
modified
  organisms (GMOs), under attack in Europe as "Frankenstein food,"
are
  expanding rapidly in parts of Asia to boost agricultural
efficiency.
  Survival:
http://news.excite.com/news/r/991123/04/science-asia-gmo<<

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Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roami ng the Net?

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hey, maybe THAT explains the knee-jerk responses from so many people on the
list... Kris, we need to work up a Turing test for members of CTRL. Only the
ones who are capable of thinking independently stay on, the robots get
dumped...

> -Original Message-
> From: Franklin Wayne Poley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 9:11 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are
> Roaming the Net?
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Harvard and Notable Law Professor at Odds
>
>
> >==
> >
> >English 101 won't survive the Internet as an exclusively human domain. In
> >"Machine Psychology" I give various reasons to think that an English
> >conversational program might have been tried out on the Internet already
> >especially on the current affairs/new types of lists. Are you sure I am
> not
> >a robot?
> >FWP.
> >http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology-EEL.htm
> >
> >
>

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Re: [CTRL] M.L.King murder reinvestigated

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

That Mannlicher Carcano is a *bolt-action* rifle, and even the best
sharpshooter can't work the bolt fast enough to get off the number of rounds
required by the "lone gunman" hypothesis.

> -Original Message-
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> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] M.L.King murder reinvestigated
>
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> In a message dated 11/24/99 4:13:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
> > So what else is new?  I've read that the Mannlicher Carcano found in the
> >  Texas Book Depository which "lone gunman" Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly
> used
> >  to kill Kennedy had debris in its barrel (ask any skilled rifleman what
> that
> >  does) and that its scope was dusty and wobbly.  The Marines had the
> entire
> >  armed services' most decorated sniper attempt to duplicate the
> miraculous
> >  sequence of shots that killed Kennedy.  Even using a stationary rather
> than
> >  moving target, firing from the same angle at the same distance, the
> >  military's top sniper could not hit the designated target accurately
> beyond
> >  the first shot, although equalling "Oswald's" speed in firing several
> shots,
> >  each time resighting.
> >  Do those facts, plus Oswald's poor performance on the firing range
> while he
> >  was in the
> >  Marines, support our belief that JFK died from an "amateur" hit by a
> "lone
> >  gunman"?
>
> You're right of course.  Incidentally the scope on the MC gun of Oswald
> fame
> was said to be so bad that the "experts" had to insert shims into it so
> that
> it would be even reasonably accurate.  Additionally I am told that the
> weapon
> itself is of such low quality that no one would ever use it for anything
> (at
> least those who know guns).  MLK's death and the detritus floating around
> about it are par for the course.
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Turkey Day

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Wild turkeys are anything but fat. They are big, canny, strong, aggressive
birds, superbly camouflaged...a far cry from the inbred, stupid, overfat
domestic variety. Franklin knew what he was talking about. Eagles are
carrion-eaters and cowards, often stealing prey from other birds--hardly a
fit image for a young revolutionary country. Why are eagles associated with
war and conquest? Simple: as carrion eaters, they are to be found in large
numbers, along with vultures, crows, ravens, and similar birds, on
battlefields, feasting on the remains. Early warriors came to the conclusion
that they came to carry away the souls of the dead, and so began to worship
them as totems. "Where the body is found, there will the eagles be
gathered." I'd much rather have Franklin's model for the Great Seal: on the
obverse, a turkey; on the reverse, a picture of the Boston Tea Party, with
the motto "Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God."

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 10:15 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Turkey Day
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Now, on to our annual ritual sacrifice of the fat, stupid, noisy bird
> which,
> versus the bald eagle, was Ben Franklin's choice for the animal most
> symbolic
> of the American people.
>
> Chow down, bankers and politicians.  (And what did you use for "stuffing"
> THIS year?)
>
> Gobble-gobble-gobble ...
>
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Re: [CTRL] History: Accident or Coincidence?

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

See Barbara Tuchman, *The Zimmermann Telegram* for a fascinating account of
how German stupidity and British conspiracy combined to force Wilson's hand
and draw the United States into WW1...

> -Original Message-
> From: YnrChyldzWyld [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 10:31 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] History: Accident or Coincidence?
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> >Each of them initiated American involvement in the four major
> >wars of this century: World War I World War II, and the Korean and
> Vietnam
> >conflicts.
>
> Bull.
>
> WWI had been going on for 4 years before the U.S. got involved, for more
> convoluted reasons than the personal desire of Wilson.
>
> Most people would argue that Hitler's invasion of various European
> countries and especially Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor led to American
> involvement.
>
> And the U.S. first became involved in Vietnam during Eisenhower's
> administration, escalating during Kennedy's and Johnson's terms...
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Re: [CTRL] FW: Independent Media Center at WTO

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

I had no trouble accessing it. Was the error you got "Error 404"? That could
mean any number of things, including transient Net conditions. Are you sure
you entered the URL correctly?

> -Original Message-
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> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] FW: Independent Media Center at WTO
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> On 24 Nov 99, at 4:58, Dave wrote:
>
> >  www.indymedia.org.
>
> I tried to go to this site and was told it was "forbidden"!
> sno0wl
>
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Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy Seems No Better Than Placebo in Preventing Migraine

[Tatman, Robert]

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I *have* studied homeopathy (not thoroughly, but enough to educate myself),
and I am convinced that it works. It doesn't work all the time, for
everyone, any more than allopathy ("orthodox" medicine) works all the time,
for everyone. But it works often enough to demonstrate to my satisfaction
that it's valid. I know for a fact that the only medication that will
consistently relieve my arthritic hands is a homeopathic gel containing rhus
toxicohedron, ledum palustre, and symphytum officianale, in a witch hazel
base; and as for migraines, I've found a preparation containing iris
versicolor to be very effective if I take it just when the headache begins
(probably more effective than "mainstream" medications). I noted with
interest that iris was NOT listed among the homeopathic remedies included in
the literature review described in this article. As with anything, there is
a large element of observer bias here; a believer will invariably get
positive results, a skeptic will get ambiguous or negative results.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 9:09 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy Seems No Better Than Placebo in
> Preventing Migraine
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 11/25/99 4:32:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Professional skeptics are paid disinformation specialists.
> >  The most famous ones are "the amazing Randy" - a stage magician, and
> some
> >  fool named "Barrett" who is still trying to convince people that
> acupuncture
> >  is "quackery"
> >  Shannon is generally beneath notice, yet seems to take great delight in
> >  spreading old and tired disinformation about homeopathy... oh well...
> guess
> >  he's gotta earn a few extra bucks a day for his viagra.
> >
> >  Dave Hartley
> >  http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave
> >
>
> I don't know if Homeopathy is any good or not, never having studied it at
> all, but I do believe that if people want to try it and some of them even
> "think" it is effective and it "works" for them then it is a BIG THUMBS UP
> from me!  As fo the "Amazing Randi", he is much as you describe him and a
> total waste of space besides, who spends all of his time "debunking"
> so-called paranormal phenomenon etc.  He frequently ignores and does not
> report on evidence and statistical results that contradict his debunking
> explanation.  Even A.C. Clarke was chagrined with Randi when they looked
> at
> dowsing and there was some statistical evidence that dowsers were able to
> find water (well above chance in a controlled field study), but Randi
> ignored
> those findings and declared ALL dowsing ineffective bugaboo based on
> another
> portion of the test which had the dowsers try to find buried metals (which
> they were no better than chance in being able to find).  Randi represents
> entrenched materialist science, refusing to see past the end of his nose
> and
> suddenly going deaf, dumb and blind when evidence is presented that is not
> within his paradigm.
> That being said there is SCANT evidence for any of the phenomena that he
> debunks, BUT that still does not warrant the automatic gainsaying of it
> all.
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Perhaps we reincarnate into reverse time, and our future lives are actually
in the present-time past. Thus science-fiction writers are the only ones who
actually remember the past, which at the moment is still in the future. Yep.


> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 12:39 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2
>
# The Universe may contain regions where time runs backwards. THE
Universe
  may contain regions where milk would stir itself out of coffee and
eggs
  would un-break, sez a New York physicist. The idea that there may
be
  regions where time runs backwards could explain invisible dark
matter.
  This kind of matter, invoked by cosmologists to explain the
movement of
  galaxies, could originate in a future contracting phase of the
Universe.
  Grave-to-cradle security:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/991124/18/bo71.html

: Do you prefer time to run forwards, backwards, sideways,
upside-down, in a
spiral, or random jig-jags? Have you designed/built/used time
machines that
explore each possible geometry? Where do you end up? DO you end up?
Is there
an end, beginning, midpoint? Is time a probabilistic cloud, temporal
fog??

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Re: [CTRL] San Francisco, Electrified and Quaking

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Well, it's perfectly possible for lightning to travel *between* clouds, so
the horizontal direction isn't surprising. It's well documented that the
intensity of lightning has been increasing at an alarming rate over the past
thirty years. But I keep remembering the Hopi prediction that before the end
of this world-age, the lightning will intensify greatly...

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 8:49 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] San Francisco, Electrified and Quaking
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>  Something is wrong (at least wronger than usual) here in the Bay Area
> ...
>  First, really unparallelled thunder and lightning (I watched a
> massive
> lightning bolt travel HORIZONTALLY from horizon to horizon, SLOWLY) twice
> in
> two weeks, each time "explained" as a byproduct of a dying Pacific
> hurricane
> -- two different ones.
>  Second, COINCIDING with a thunder-and-lightning display, an
> EARTHQUAKE
> of exactly the rare type that struck Taiwan -- arising near the SURFACE of
> the earth.
>  Geez, I wonder if China is test-running some secret Tesla weaponry
> ...
>


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[CTRL] Russian Planes Launch New Strikes on Grozny

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Russian Planes Launch New Strikes on Grozny
MOSCOW (Sept. 23) XINHUA - Russian warplanes carried out a second wave of
air strikes Thursday near Grozny, capital city of the breakaway republic,
hitting an oil refinery and causing fires, the Interfax news agency
reported.
Two flights of planes dropped bombs and fired missiles on Zavodskoi district
on Grozny's northern fringe and on the nearby village of Andreyevskaya
Dolina, Interfax said in a dispatch from Grozny.
Bombs hit an oil distribution station at a refinery, causing a massive fire.

Grozny was covered by thick clouds of smoke, but the city does not have
functioning equipment to fight the fires.
This was the second wave of air raids on Grozny Thursday. Federal planes
bombed the Grozny airport and destroyed an An-2 plane earlier in the day.
The Russian Defense Ministry said the plane had been used by Chechen
militants "for delivery of arms and ammunition across Chechen territory."
"The Air Force will continue attacking targets which gangs will be using in
their interests," Interfax quoted the ministry's press service as saying.
The headquarters of the federal force in the North Caucasus said earlier
that the air strikes were conducted over arms depots and a radar station at
the airport which militants had been using in their own interests.
"This radar tracked Russian planes' flights over Chechnya and supplied
information to the terrorists," Interfax quoted a source with the
headquarters as saying.
In addition, attacks were also made at a store of fuel and lubricants, arms
and ammunition depots, a power sub-station and an oil refinery, Interfax
said.
Meanwhile, the Russian Defense Ministry is considering the possibility of
using heavy bombers capable of carrying more powerful weapons to deliver air
strikes against rebel bases in Chechnya.
Tactical bombers such as Tu-22m2 and Tu-22m3 may be deployed to deliver more
powerful air strikes, Interfax quoted ministry sources as saying.
Until recently, air strikes on rebel bases were mostly carried out by Su-24
frontline bombers and Su-25 attack planes.


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Re: [CTRL] :/Denver Bio-Chem Attack Alleged Imminent]

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

I agree...I suspect that these rumors are mostly designed to sell gas masks,
etc., to gullible paranoids. (Of course, they also have the side effect of
keeping the public in a state of perpetual fear, and cui bono?)

> -Original Message-
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> Subject:  [CTRL] :/Denver Bio-Chem Attack Alleged Imminent]
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Count me as skeptical, very skeptical, about the Denver rumors.
>
> About 12 months ago I had a FRANTIC phone call about  imminent CBW attack.
> But this one said "dont tell anyone".  I didnt   And there is good reason
> we
> should do nothing here.  Terrorists do NOT broadcast their plans.I
> suspect we shall get more  frantic alarmism as we near 2000..
>

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[CTRL] Krauthammer: Buchanan shows what a hypocrite he really is

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Charles Krauthammer on Pat Buchanan: "So off to dance with Ross Perot - and
to lunch with Lenora Fulani, self-described (former?) 'militant black
nationalist ... Marxist and social therapist,' now a power in the Reform
Party. Buchanan's association with Fulani, once head of the 'black-led,
woman-led, multiracial and pro-gay' New Alliance Party, is beyond parody.
Fulani is so far out on the loony left that she once called Michael Dukakis
a 'white supremacist candidate.' (She ought to read Pat's columns.)"
=
Philadelphia Inquirer, September 27, 1999
(http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer/99/Sep/27/opinion/KRAUT27.htm)
In seeking Reform Party backing, Buchanan shows what a hypocrite he really
is
The line on Pat Buchanan has always been this: He might be slightly cracked,
but at least he is principled: He knows what he believes and says it without
fear or equivocation.
After Buchanan's performance auditioning for the Reform Party presidential
nomination, however, it is clear that his reputation for principle is an
elaborate fraud.
For example: In a column last November headlined "The Dispossession Of
Christian Americans," Buchanan is agitated about figures showing that half
of Harvard students are Asian or Jewish. He decries "a Harvard student body
where non-Jewish whites - 75 percent of the U.S. population - get just 25
percent of the slots. Talk about underrepresentation! Now we know who really
gets the shaft at Harvard - white Christians."
This is, of course, cracked. (The implication that Asians and Jews have had
50 percent of the spots set aside for them to the exclusion of white ethnics
is nutty.) But when he thunders that "a liberal elite is salving its social
conscience by robbing America's white middle class of its birthright, and
handing it over to minorities," he at least seems full of passionate
intensity.
So when Gloria Borger asked him about this on Face the Nation - "You wrote
in that column that they [Ivy League colleges] should 'look more like
America,' as you put it, by reserving 75 percent of their slots for, quote,
'non-Jewish whites' " - we might have expected a rigorous defense.
Instead, Buchanan first tried denial. "Oh, I don't think I wrote that."
When Borger shot back, "You did write that. I'm quoting," Buchanan took a
dive, protesting now that he'd been speaking "tongue in cheek."
Tongue in cheek? Buchanan wrote not one but two columns denouncing the Ivy
League for "denying its first-class tickets to the upper crust of society"
to "Euro-Americans." There is not a hint of irony in either piece. Moreover,
the second (Jan. 1, 1999) refers explicitly to the fuss kicked up by the
first (Nov. 27, 1998): "When I suggested that it might be time for
Euro-Americans to demand affirmative action, the usual suspects answered
with the usual invective." The second column is the time to reveal it was
all in jest, no?
No. If anything, Buchanan laid it on thicker in the follow-up, declaring
that "This social and moral injustice needs airing."  And, by God, airing
injustice is what Pat does. Right? Right. Until he's called on it on
national TV. Then he goes impish and squishy and claims that he is an
ironist.
Pat Buchanan is a lot of things. But ironist he is not.
He is, for starters, a both-sides-of-the-mouth politician. His technique is
to convey raw prejudice to his followers, who understand his code, then go
on respectable media, smile and pretend he never meant it. His trademark is
the wink. The wink is interpreted by his friends in mainstream media as "I'm
fooling the mob." It is understood by the mob as "I'm fooling the
pointy-heads."
An ironist he is not. But a hypocrite he is. He savages the Republican Party
for being insufficiently committed to the unborn, then gets ready to defect
to a party that is entirely and publicly indifferent to abortion - and, to
boot, to the other great social issues Buchanan claims are so near his
bosom, such as gay rights.
Howard Phillips' Constitution Party shares not just Buchanan's foreign and
economic policies but his views on abortion, religion and the rest. Why then
is Buchanan courting the Reform Party? Because the Constitution Party is not
up for $13 million in free federal money.
So off to dance with Ross Perot - and to lunch with Lenora Fulani,
self-described (former?) "militant black nationalist ... Marxist and social
therapist," now a power in the Reform Party. Buchanan's association with
Fulani, once head of the "black-led, woman-led, multiracial and pro-gay" New
Alliance Party, is beyond parody. Fulani is so far out on the loony left
that she once called Michael Dukakis a "white supremacist candidate." (She
ought to read Pat's columns.)
In April 1987, she went to Libya to join a rally marking the first
anniversary of the U.S. bombing of Libya. That bombing was the work of
Ronald Reagan, Buchanan's hero and boss. Pat was White House director of
communications at the time of the attack. Fulani call

Re: [CTRL] The Dropa Stones

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Every time I see this story turning up, it traces back NO FURTHER than Allan
Eckert's novel *The HAB Theory*. IMHO, it classifies as an Internet myth at
this point. The novel is indeed "interesting fiction;" it was my first
contact with pole shift hypotheses. However, Eckert offers no supporting
evidence for his "ancient mysteries," and lacking such evidence I have to
consider the book to be pure science fiction.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 11:13 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] The Dropa Stones
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Interesting archeology information, if true.  Interesting fiction if not.
> Take a look and judge for yourself.
> This is forwarded from a newsgroup.
>
>
> Subject: The Dropa Stones
> From: Reverend Chupacabra  HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 23 September 1999 02:59 AM EDT
> Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Has this story been debunked, dehoaxed, clarified,
> expanded upon, ignored, verified, updated, or what?


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Re: [CTRL] Why Giuliani is Gassing NY

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

Er, Kite-flying is a hazard? To whom or what? Is Rudy afraid his cape is
going to get caught in the kite-strings when he's doing his Superman shtick?
Has his ego gotten so big that he thinks if a kite hits it his head will
explode?

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>
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>
> What hasn't gotten much press outside of the kite-flying community is
> Guliani's crackdown on kite flyers, banning kite flying in most of NYC's
> parks...he claims it's a hazard...  :-7
>
>
>

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