Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- Hey E-Mael, snake any pipes lately Or too busy digressing yourself into obscurity? Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- ...Larry Flynt is anything but a sleazeball. He's a true champion of the 1st Amendment and is simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the radical right. Cheers to Larry! Keep up the fight! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- In response to the "what would the liberals do if come conservative dude spent millions exposing the scandals of democrats" I'd say it's already been done. R.M.Scaife has spent BIG bucks to "get Clinton" and Rupert Murdoch has done much the same. Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Simple Poll
-Caveat Lector- 1-Democrat 2-liberal 3-no 4-no Cheers, Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99
-Caveat Lector- As the KONFORMIST warns...DRUDGE IS A HOMO, not that there's anything wrong with that. Oh, and his pappy has an excellent site at www.refdesk.com, for those interested parties. Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: DRUDGE-REPORT-URGENT 02/19/99
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/21/99 12:34:13 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now let's see, this woman was married to one man, having an affair with another man, and invites a guy into her hotel room. Obviously she is just another virginal victim. What can I say. I'll bet she sits on her 40-acre estate and cries every day. Prudy Amen!! Drudge ought to be called SLUDGE- That's all he brings up! Gimme a good "muckraker". like Stone or Cockburn or the good folks at FAIR anyday! Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- I am a self-confessed liberal, and more specifically a socialist. It's my experience however that most liberals are capitalists through and through. A very common (and simple-minded) misconception among the right in this country that liberal=socialist, wish twas true. Would it be fair to say that all conservatives are fascists? Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- Oh Mike, you fall into the typical trap in equating totalitarian socialism (as practiced in the USSR and Cuba) with the teachings of Marx. Allow me to amend my proclamation, I"M A MARXIST LIVING IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY. The so-called socialism of the former Soviet Union, Cuba... was in fact state capitalism and not the Marxist ideal, it was a bastardization of Marxism. I for one believe in a government by, of and for the people and not the corporation and the fat cats, you? Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Use of Word: Liberal
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/22/99 7:08:20 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am a self-confessed liberal, and more specifically a socialist. It's my experience however that most liberals are capitalists through and through. A very common (and simple-minded) misconception among the right in this country that liberal=socialist, wish twas true. Would it be fair to say that all conservatives are fascists? Bill Don't bother. This guy wouldn't know a socialist if one sat on his face. Hey thanks Joshua2, methinks he's had too may militia wannabes sittin' on his mug! Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [MCS-CI] Flag Amendment Returns - Veterans Needed!
-Caveat Lector- The anti-flag burning crapola that the veterans groups start up annually is so insipid that I hate to comment...but, I will. Burning the flag is protected by the 1st Amendment, as long as it's YOUR flag you can do what you wish with/to it. Have the so-called pro-flag forces ever heard of dissent? Clearly the handful of flag-burnings that happen yearly aren't a threat to ANYBODY but by all the rabble that you on the right rouse whenever these rare events happen you sure give those who wish to protest US policy a powerful tool. Plain and simple- If you want to burn a flag, any flag, just make sure it's your own. If that's done I haven't a problem. Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Mysterious epidemic investigated (private)
-Caveat Lector- Colloidal Silver is nothing but bunk! Check out www.quackwatch.com for the lowdown! Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Could Noah's Flood Return (2) - The Future Could Be Now
-Caveat Lector- Clearly any reasonable person knows that "Noah's Flood" is a fiction as is the bible, nothing more than silly mythology. Can't we rise above superstition and deal with the real world? Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Olympic Logo]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/2/99 12:11:02 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, the "Olympic rings" represent the continents of the Earth. At least that's the public explanation... And the simplest explanation is usually the closest to the truth. I'm sure the rings equal the continents...any psyco-numerologist, Illumanati mongers out there? Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Could Noah's Flood Return (2) - The Future Could Be Now
-Caveat Lector- Sure Barley, All religions have been created by man. The bible is no more ore less silly than Greek Mythology or Hinduism or Scientology. Does science provide all the answers? No. However it's a far more reasonable course than that of ancient primitives who were scared of their own shadows. Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Bible and the Icon
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 3/3/99 12:43:22 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: , the only reference I could find to a publisher in the bibe is in the 68th Psalm uno I like the 69th psalm- Do unto other as you'd like her to do upon you. or for the ladies- Do upon him as you'd like done upon you. Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] . . . [socialists exposed]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/3/99 11:49:05 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are the sports nuts (sports is out unofficial secular religion) who want the educational system to be an extension of the professional sports teams.. Now Mr. Tunstall, I hardly think that using our schools as a filter or a culling ground to weed out the less physically gifted is socialistic, hell no! It's the 'Merican way!!! Seperate the seed from the grain so that the big political contributors, on BOTH sides o' da' aisle, can dig their hooks into these potential cash cows...it's actually capitalistic pal...the agents get their cut, the owners their's, the networks enjoy a nice slice, and we the fan enjoy these pieces of meat until they blow out a knee or get KO'd one too many times...Hell I know that I do!!! Anyway, it's not as though any of these steroid monkeys hold the cure for cancer (the gubbmint' already does) or the key to world peace, so who really gives a rats rase? Not me! Bring on the fodder so I can spill beer on myself and cheer on the local hero!!! 'Mercer, ay' just GOTTA love it!! Bill Shannon. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/3/99 12:27:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, thanks to Clinton's blood banks - how many Canadians have become infected with AIDS? Colleen...one must ask...who really cares They ain't US!!! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Marilyn Manson on Littleton....
-Caveat Lector- This from another list, but interesting. Do the media/politicians need to scapegoat SOMEONE for what, in essence is a random act of criminal behaviour??? ANd one that can't easily be blamed on ANY one factor??? H... Bill. Here's Marilyn's statement about Littleton...very thoughtful, wouldn't you say? I had no idea he had a brain!! ~Marcus -Original Message- It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon -- the blueprint for celebrity. Unfortunately, for all of their inspiring morality, nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue. A lot of people forget or never realize that I started my band as a criticism of these very issues of despair and hypocrisy. The name Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dipshits Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper. Don't be surprised if every kid who gets pushed around has two new idols. We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, fucking, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity. When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies, especially if it is someone you know and love. But what is more offensive is that when these tragedies happen, most people don't really care any more than they would about the season finale of Friends or The Real World. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt. Man's greatest fear is chaos. It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to (KMFDM and Rammstein, among others), the media picked something they thought was similar. Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old
Re: [CTRL] Implants
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/6/99 1:40:53 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE IMPLANTS? Try Pamela Anderson, it's well known that she does Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Implants
-Caveat Lector- Well Amelia, I for one dislike implants preferring the natural. Pam Anderson looked like she had a floatation device on her chest. Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Implants
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/6/99 3:49:02 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: due to the nature of the exploitive adult film industry its quite possible she may of been mind controlled I'd have to seriously doubt this Steve. Maybe back in the days of film there was some Linda Lovelace type mind control going on, but nowadays the industry is so closely monitored, so open, I doubt that these horror stories continue.. NO one tortures a U.S. citizen and gets away with it. Will you start your crusade with Ken Starr?? What he did to Susan MacDougal is tantamount to torture, no?? Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Implants
-Caveat Lector- Jesus Christ Andy, a little levity never hurt anyone Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/6/99 8:58:28 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 6/6/99 No matter what changes and inovations Capitalism goes through, there always remains the deadly constants. 1- Private ownership of large amounts of capital ALWAYS causes concentration of wealth into few hands. With that ALWAYS comes control and exploitation of society. 2- Capitalism, like cancer, is defined by growth. The ecology of the planet can no longer tolerate systems based on waste and growth. 3- Capitalism is theft. Its success depends on how much the capitalist can steal from the worker on one end, and the buyer on the other. 4- Capitalism causes mental illness in the form of addiction to money. 5- No Capitalist is really supportive of competition. Competition is wasteful and chancy. Monopoly is the true aim of capitalists. Joshua2 A wonderfully refreshing, and oh so true, take on Capitalism... Thanks for the TRUTH!!! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Implants
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/6/99 10:06:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you, Andrew. I am sorry Steve. Saw the Pamela article and was replying to Bill's comment. I meant nothing in relation to your hardship. I find myself attempting to jest at the unfunny often these days. It helps keep from crying sometimes. Things are so unbelievably messed up in so many areas the burden becomes unbearable. Some of us cope by using humor. This was in poor taste in this instance. Mia culpa! Actually Amelia, methinks you were wrong to apologize...nothing at all wrong in trying to be "light". At least I don't think that there is...Plus, and let us be honest, do you REALLY think people are walking around with "implants" in them??? Bah! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SA-social conditions
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/6/99 11:20:20 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please link the Sowell quote below to "SA-social conditions." On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote: -Caveat Lector- A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there is no more effective way to limit thought than to control the language itself. By changing definitions of words through continual association, any serious discussion involving the concepts that the words represents becomes hopelessly muddled. The words "democracy," "hate" and "racism" immediately comes to mind. -- Thomas Sowell Sounds like Noam Chomsky to me! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Energetic Sun May Add to Y2K Problems...
-Caveat Lector- From another list Energetic Sun May Add To Y2K Problems...06/01/99 CHICAGO (AP) - Computer date confusion about the Year 2000 is not the only problem Earth's technology is going to face when the new year rolls in. Astronomers say they're also worried about an angry sun. In January, just as computers around the world are coping with the Y2K bug, the sun will enter the most violent and disruptive phase of its 11-year cycle. Massive bursts of energy from the sun could mean celebrating the new millennium in the dark, with dead cellular phones. Ships and planes relying on satellites for navigation might have to haul out old-fashioned maps. Even spacewalking astronauts could be at risk, according to reports Monday at the national meeting of the American Astronomical Society. Researchers, using new techniques, are forecasting the sun's cycle to peak during the months of January to April. The sun is expected to be busy with solar flares and coronal mass ejections - solar explosions that can equal a million 100 megaton hydrogen bombs. Waves of solar energy can trigger power blackouts, block some radio communications and create phantom commands capable of sending satellites spinning out of their proper orbits. Scientists have plotted 23 solar cycles, using historic and modern measurements. But the current cycle may be the most disruptive ever because much of the vulnerable communications technology now in use is new and has not been exposed to maximum solar activity, Joselyn said. The explosion in technology is intersecting with an extremely disturbed space environment,'' Joselyn said. There is much higher risk now because we depend more on technology that is vulnerable.'' Joselyn said energy bursts from the sun can cause an electrical charge to build up on the surface of satellites, triggering phantom signals. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 1st Amendment @ Risk!
-Caveat Lector- Flag Desecration Amendment Returns Once again, a proposed constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to prohibit the physical desecration of the U.S. flag has been introduced in the House of Representatives and in the Senate. In an effort to thwart two Supreme Court rulings that flag burning is symbolic speech protected by the First Amendment, Representatives Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA) and John Murtha (D-PA) have introduced HJ Res. 33 in the House. Senator Hatch (R-UT) has introduced a similar measure, SJ Res. 14, in the Senate. The House passed a similar flag amendment during the 105th Congress (H.J. Res 54), but supporters of the bill could not muster enough support to even bring the bill to the Senate floor for a vote. If the amendment had passed the Senate and been ratified by at least 38 states, it would have become the first amendment to limit Americans freedom of expression. Although we've been able to defeat similar proposals in the past, our margins are becoming increasingly thinner. In 1995, for example, a flag desecration amendment passed in the House and failed by only three votes in the Senate. Speak Out Against This Issue! The proposed constitutional amendment would do irreparable violence to our right to free speech and undermine the very principles for which the American flag stands. Those who favor the proposed amendment say they do so in honor of the flag. But in proposing to unravel the First Amendment, they desecrate what the flag represents, and what millions of Americans have died to defend. Unlike many other issues that bedevil our community, flag burning or desecration is an extremely rare occurrence. A constitutional amendment would, therefore, be the very definition of a solution in search of a problem. Unlike what some would have us believe, opposition to a flag desecration amendment is neither Democratic or Republican, liberal or conservative. Both in the Supreme Court and in Congress, officials opposing measures to "protect the flag" have fallen across the ideological spectrum. Justice Antonin Scalia, one of the Supreme Court's most conservative members, has consistently opposed similar measures while conservative Senators Robert Bennett of Utah and Mitch McConnell of Kentucky joined Edward Kennedy and Paul Wellstone in voting against a flag amendment in 1995. TAKE ACTION! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hyde Introduces Bill to Criminalize Sale of Violent Me...
-Caveat Lector- As a constituent of the white haired windbag Hank Hyde, so conservative that he committed double adultery, I can tell you that he's all but set in stone as a member of the House.All the blue haired old ladies and their inflamed prostate husbands vote en masse for the putz... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CNN Reporter(ess) Gets Pissed!!
-Caveat Lector- So what does this Chris(tine?) Black look like??? Anyone??? Sounds like she'd be PERFECT for me! Bill. Capitol Hill Blue June 8, 1999 Staff CNN reporter's obscene temper tantrum has press corps shaking their heads A weekend obscene temper tantrum by Cable News Network reporter Chris Black has members of the White House press corps shaking their heads. Black, rattled by an anti-Clinton protester during taping of a "stand up" on Sunday, turned to the protester and screamed "fuck you!" Witnesses to the event said Black's obscenity was clearly heard by a crowd of tourists and their children outside the White House fence. "It was disgusting," says Andrea Dobbins, a St. Louis area tourist who was visiting Washington with her husband and two preteen children. "I couldn't believe a member of news media would act so unprofessional in front of people, especially when children are present." Veteran members of the White House press corps say Black's outburst is a typical temper tantrum by the high-strung CNN Correspondent. "She's a hothead, there's no doubt about that," says one network correspondent. "If her talent was a big as her mouth, she'd be anchoring NBC Nightly News." Black's outburst was triggered by an anti-Clinton protester who belongs to the Internet's Free Republican bulletin board. Accounts of the incident, along with a follow-up shouting match Black had with another protester on Monday, kept the popular bulletin board buzzing on Monday and Tuesday. "As Chris Black turned to walk away, I took a deep breath and yelled, 'Hey Chris Black, I thought you were a lady until I heard what you screamed at a protester and tourists yesterday,' " reported Free Republic poster Anglewood. "Boy, did I ever unleash a fury! She raised her left arm, must have changed her mind and turned around. She yelled and pointed at me and gestured for me to come meet her. For a minute, I thought I was being invited inside the compound, but she moved at warp speed still gesturing to me and yelled, "Come over here and let me tell you what that son-of-a-bitch did to me!" Anglewood said Black was obviously agitated and claimed the protester on Sunday had ruined her live shot. But news crews who cover the White House say veterans know how to ignore protesters and go on about their business. "Protests and shouts from the peanut gallery and things you learn to deal with and work around," says veteran cameraman John Ringell. "It's the difference between a pro and a rank amateur. You don't lose your cool and yell obscenities in front of children. You maintain a professional demeanor." Calls to CNN for comment were not returned Monday. And knowing that some pudwacking Free Republican BB geek triggered this episode only makes me like her more Is she blonde?? Fat?? Old??? Ugly??? Inquiring minds got's ta' know! Bill (again) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS
-Caveat Lector- Well AMEN!!! It's about bloody time!!! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTIAN COALITION LOSES TAX EXEMPT STATUS
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/10/99 5:47:19 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I always thought it was illegal to tax church activity regardless of their politics. No Colleen, ya' can't be overtly partisan, as the so-called Christian Coalition has been for years... here's hoping they'll go after back taxes...would serve Pat and his fruity pals right!! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Is Paul Harvey a retard???
-Caveat Lector- From Sex to Superconsciousness - http://www.truthbeknown.com What a complete dork! And now the rest of the story . . . . Paul Harvey's brains were obviously sucked out some time ago by reptilians. If I were the Prince of Darkness, I'd use Paul Harvey to spread ignorance. Subject: RE: Fw: Quote from PAUL HARVEY, Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:47:38 -0500 STAND BY FOR NEWS, this was from Paul Harvey. "If I were the Prince of Darkness, I would want to engulf the whole world in darkness. I'd want all of the world I could get, but I would not be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree--America. So, I would set about to take over the Christian countries, beginning with the United States. I would begin with a whispering campaign. With the wisdom of the serpent, I would whisper to all as I whispered to Eve, "Do as you please". To the young I would whisper that "the Bible is a myth". I would tell them that man created God rather than the other way around. I'd tell them, "what's bad is good, and what's good is 'square'." To the old I would teach them to pray after me, "Our Father, who art in Washington, give me .." I'd educate authors in how to make lurid literature acceptable, and I'd educate television producers how to ridicule all that is decent and honorable. I'd peddle drugs to whomever I could, and I'd sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. I'd tranquilize the rest with prescription pills. I'd have families, marriages, churches, and nations war with themselves until each, in turn, was consumed. I'd encourage schools to train intellects but neglect to discipline emotions--just let them run wild. Before they knew it, there would be drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door. Soon, I could evict God from the courthouse and the schoolhouse and then, from the houses of congress. In His own church I'd offer the words of men for religion and deify science. I'd make the symbol of Easter an egg and the symbol of Christmas a bottle. If I were the devil, I'd take from those who earn and give to those who want until I killed the incentive of the hard work. What do you bet that I could get an entire state to promote gambling as the way to riches. I wold caution against extremes in hard work, in patriotism, and in moral conduct. I'd convince you people that marriage is old-fashioned, and what you see on TV is the way to live. Thus I could lure scores into bed and they'd wake up with diseases for which there is no cure. I guess, if I were the devil, I'd keep right on doing what he's been doing. Paul Harvey DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is Paul Harvey a retard???
-Caveat Lector- Well Kinda (that's a strange name!), That makes one of us... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is Paul Harvey a retard???
-Caveat Lector- Well Kinda, I've NEVER heard that name before...kinda' unique...but you're wrong about old Paul Harvey...that's ok though...we can't ALL be right! Bill (rhymes with thrill) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is Paul Harvey a retard???
-Caveat Lector- Well "My god" You are right Nessie Good to hear the voice of REASON on this list now and again!!! Thank-You Bill. (You've reaffirmed my faith in humanity...AND the ability to Reason!) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is Paul Harvey a retard???
-Caveat Lector- Paul Harvey is not a retard. He has a "modestly paced personality." I WUZ WRONG!!! So sorry...so sad DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is Paul Harvey a retard???
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/11/99 8:11:22 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Harvey is not a retard. He has a "modestly paced personality." Try "informationally challenged". Yeah...that works...but bluntly, he IS an idiot/moron/simpleton/small-minded...PUTZ! AND he should be removed from the airwaves before he further harms his kids name!!! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Very well said!
-Caveat Lector- Well said. Religion, magickal thinking, is a way to escape personal and group responsibility, to avoid recognizing that WE cause events to happen, that OUR behaviours have consequences. Religion is a cop-out. Gods are excuses. The voices in my head insist this is so Hey Ric, 'Dem voices are rather prescient...cool And BTW, you be correct...sir! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Sunday, June 13, 1999
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/13/99 6:39:15 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A coalition of religious conservative has called upon Christians to boycott the U.S. Army until the Pentagon bans Wiccans and Satanists from all installations. Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Association charged that tolerating meetings of witches at military bases was "a direct assault on the Christian faith that generations of American soldiers have fought and died for." So much for freedom of religion I guess huh??? So silly...so sad! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Patriots for Profit.
-Caveat Lector- The Patriots for Profit Rogues' Gallery Your help in bringing to light more instances of "patriots for profits" so that their cons and scams can be exposed is greatly needed! The Militia Watchdog welcomes additions to this list. Please note that the Militia Watchdog also has a lengthy and illuminating report on one particular type of scam called the "pure trust" at http://www.militia-watchdog.org/puretrust.htm. Law enforcement officials are cordially invited to investigate all of the below groups for possible wrongdoing. Rogue Number One: The First Amendment Church of Truth and Sanity or F.A.C.T.S. (PO Box 339, Adrian, MI 49221; 1-888-820-2126). This "church" is the product of Pastor Rick Strawcutter, a long-time fixture on the extreme right. Strawcutter is known primarily for having operated a pirate radio station, Radio Free Lenawee, and for having helped to produce militia figure Mark Koernke's first video, "America in Peril," in 1993. He currently manages a mail-order business for extremist videotapes, claiming to have over 500 available for sale. The First Amendment Church of Truth and Sanity is a pyramid scheme cloaked as a church, although Strawcutter claims that it is multi-level marketing. However, there is essentially no product being sold--the only way members can benefit is to recruit more members, which means that the scheme will inevitably fail (one can contrast this to Amway--in Amway, even people who do not recruit members can still sell Amway products and make money doing so). Strawcutter, through personal appearances and a 28-minute video, recruits people to become "missionaries" for his church. They have to pay $125 to do so. In return, they get a "freedom manual" (which discusses jury nullification and phone-bombing public officials), a religious tract which appears to be Christian Identity in nature, and two copies of the 28-minute video, which they will use to help them recruit others. Members can buy other copies of the video--in ten tape blocks--for $30. Strawcutter's "missionaries" are expected to recruit further missionaries. Each time they do so, they will get $25 of the $125 the new missionary pays. If those missionaries recruit others, the original missionary will get $5 for those second-level recruits. This is true for third, fourth, fifth and sixth level recruits (theoretically; there are unlikely to be any). Strawcutter furthermore tells his "missionaries" that all such income is not taxable because it is an "offering" from the church. This scheme is fraught with danger. Strawcutter may be breaking laws against pyramid schemes as well as income tax laws--if he himself is not reporting the money as income. There is also the possibility of mail fraud, since he is mailing out the videotapes. People should be aware that if they get involved in a pyramid and recruit others, they themselves will be breaking the law. Rogue Number Two: Freedom's Call (11757 W. Ken Caryl Ave, F237, Littleton, Colorado, 80127, 800-873-7165; http://www.galaxymall.com/stores/freedom/). Freedom's Call, a "private membership club dedicated to personal and financial freedom," is the child of Chuck and Linda Meyers, who reputedly are 'common law' activists in Colorado. Essentially, Freedom's Call is a method by which the Meyers separate willing victims from their money. This is done via a three-staged "Prosperity Triad": Understanding, Prosperity and Protection. It is also a pyramid scheme in which people are asked to refer new members. Freedom's Call's web page promises the possibility of earning $10,000 in the first four weeks, and "$250,000 realistic potential earnings in just one year." One can only hope that they will get $250,000, because they certainly will be shelling over a lot of money to Chuck and Linda Meyers. To reach Stage One, "Understanding," participants must pay a $999 membership fee. In return they will get a "home study program" which consists of a mishmash of "patriot" materials. The second stage, "Prosperity," allows participants to attend an "intensive workshop" on doing business over the Internet. This workshop "will be in luxury accommodations at a desirable resort location within the Continental U.S." Amazingly, the workshop is "paid for by Freedom's Call." However, the membership fee for Stage II is $5,999, which may explain how Freedom's Call can afford to be so generous with its free workshops. The third stage, "Protection," is one in which members "will be wooed by representatives of various countries of the world extolling the virtues of conducting business in their jurisdictions." Members will visit several Caribbean island nations as part of a "luxury cruise," again, paid for by Freedom's Call. The price tag for membership: $16,999. People who fill out an application form must agree to a variety of provisions, ranging from the rather innocuous "that I will nuture and protect the ideals of personal freedom as
[CTRL] ALERT! TANKS SURROUND MONTANA TOWN (12-96)
-Caveat Lector- Too bad it isn't true...kinda' funny though in a smartassed way! (From www.krug.org) Tanks Surround Polson, Montana Reported December 5, 1996 Montana USA I was at our home in Montana in November '94 when an old ex-friend, Tommy Lee Jones (not the motion picture and TV star), turned up one evening with the story. Naturally he wasn't there but his friend had been and swore it was the truth. 2,500 troops in armored personal carriers (driven by black-lady-soldiers) surrounded the town of Polson MT in the fall of 1994! Everyone wore UN armbands. This was apparently prior to the "black uniform" craze. (Love them black uniforms. You can hit one at 500 yards on a snowy day...) Anyway, they surrounded the town of Polson (near Flathead Lake) and held it at bay for a few hours - then withdrew. Where was not disclosed, but following the signs left by a tracked vehicle shouldn't have been difficult. Unfortunately the news media suppressed the story! They always suppress the story - no TV coverage, no little local newspaper, nothing on the Amateur radio bands, no tourists mentioning strange things - total and absolute suppression. He also had the side story about a black (UN helicopters are always black) helicopter setting down in the town of Darby MT where he lives. Operated by guys from his old unit who told him they had been mapping the area. (You can buy a really great Forest Service Map for $3.00 at the Ranger Station, by the way.) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ALERT!Wrigley Field Surrounded By U.N. Forces!!!!!!
-Caveat Lector- More!!! Was THIS suppressed Or is it parody??? Hmmm... Wrigley Field Surrounded by UN Forces! Reported July 5, 1998 Chicago, Illinois USA Wrigley Field - Home of America's Team, the Chicago Cubs. I just moved to Chicago, Illinois from East Dubuque, Illinois to be closer to my favorite place in the world, Wrigley Field. I managed to find an apartment just two blocks away, so I'm able to watch the Chicago Cubs as much as I want to. Over the 4th of July weekend, some friends came to visit from out of town. We decided to catch a Cubs game on Saturday. It was a beautiful day out, so we headed to the bars early in the morning to get the day started off right. I like to follow a balanced diet and so the first drinks we ordered were bloody marys with some veggies in them. Then I started in on the vodka sours. After a couple hours of social drinking, we headed across the street to the stadium to try to scalp some tickets for the outfield bleachers. I wore my shades and let my cigarette dangle casually over my bottom lip. I walked to the first scalper we saw and told him that we needed some tickets. He said that it was going to cost us $20 each. I told him that I had $15 for each of them. He could tell right away that I was all about business. He gave me the tickets for my price without even trying to counter offer. We got real ripped at Wrigley Stadium as we watched the Chicago Cubs beat the Pittsburgh Pirates. They have these frozen type drinks there made with everyone's favorite hard liquors. I liked the vodka lemonades the best, but they also had margaritas and daiquiris. Those cold drinks sure were refreshing while we sat in the warm sun. After the game was over I asked one of my buddies if the Cubs had won and then we headed over to Murph's Bleachers for some post game beers. I really enjoyed the cold, refreshing drinks while we sat underneath the warm sun in the bleachers. After a few beers at Murph's, we realized that it was getting a little late. We decided we better hit some more different bars since they were only open until 4AM. One of the places we went to had a couple of bowling lanes in it and they had these high school kids working as "pin monkeys". When the ball would knock down the pins, they would set them up again for you. It was pretty damn fun to try to hit those little guys with your bowling ball while they were working. The vodka sours tasted very nice throughout the rest of the night. I was getting a little hungry so I left the bar without telling my buds and headed to the closest convenience store. I purchased a bag of chips and started back to the bar eating the chips as I walked. Somehow I must have gotten lost, because the buildings started to look unfamiliar. I spotted several guys hanging out on a corner and so I approached them and asked them for directions. They told me that I looked like I was in the wrong area. When I asked why, they told me that I was in a "pink zone" and I didn't look like I belonged there. They laughed when I asked what a pink zone was. Their accents were unusual and they sounded a little like those Euro-type boys. They proceeded to tell me that there were other districts like that one in Dallas, Minneapolis, and even Columbus. After they spilled their guts, I began to survey the scene. I noticed that rainbow colored flags hung above the doors to the bars in the zone. The men standing in line waiting to get into the bars seemed to be wearing similar uniforms which consisted of tight jeans and white, tank-top shirts. They all looked like they were in their twenties and in excellent physical condition. There didn't seem to be any women present. Some of them were standing very closely together in pairs as if they were worried that someone would overhear their conversations. At that moment, a black Hum-Vee with tinted windows drove by at a high rate of speed and then the situation clearly came into focus for me. It was as if a fog of lies had just been lifted from my brain. I remembered the conversation I had with a guy at a bar a few nights before. He told me how the UN had troops in America and controlled a lot of our national parks. They were planning to use them as staging areas for the invasion of America. The truth hit me like an elevated train -- the region that I had casually wandered into was UN occupied! I immediately walked towards the nearest bar. I moved towards the line waiting to get in and then snuck behind the guys taking cards at the door. I jumped up and ripped down the flag above the door and sprinted down the closest alley. When I looked over my shoulder I saw that three guys were in close pursuit. They must have been Foreign Legion/Commando types, because they weighed at least 300 pounds and they were still able to run extremely fast (they even kept up with me). I noticed that they were yelling commands into elaborate, mobile communications equipment. They must have been radioing back to their
[CTRL] Toilet Etiquette of the Gods.
-Caveat Lector- -- -- Toilet Etiquette of the Gods by Gipson Arnold Since religion intrudes into so many aspects of life, we should not be shocked when it seeks to guide us in the finer points of utilizing our own bodily functions. The keen interest shown, by gods of religion, in fecal and urinary matters is not openly advertized, but helps to illustrate the extent to which religion strives to infiltrate and control. My attention was drawn to this subject while reading Life on Man by Theodor Rosebury (1). He was writing mainly about fleas, mites, and microbes that live on, or in, the human body, but he also discussed various substances the body excretes. Much of his discussion centered around people's ideas about human waste, and religion's role in developing these ideas. In his chapter titled The Romans Had a God for It, he claims there were essentially "dung" gods, "piss" gods, and "fart" gods in numerous religions throughout history. He begins to cite examples from ancient religions of Central America. He quotes Spanish monks who refered to Ochpanistli as "the deity of filth and sin". Suchiquecal (the mother of the human race), and Tlazeoltecotl (the goddess of carnal love) were both said to be "eaters of feces or filth". Rosebury points to the Baalic gods of Canaan and Moab as examples of deities with similar habits. The scarcity of information about this subject stems in part from the prudery of Christian culture. Detailed accounts of ancient beliefs have been sanitized in order to prevent exposure to "offensive" beliefs and practices. It should be noted, however, that some writings we do have are Christian attempts to discredit pagan religions. Ironically though, certain passages in the Bible help to authenticate the scatalogical concerns of the Judeo-Christian god, and of pagan gods. The Bible says: "You shall have a place outside the camp and you shall go out to it; and you shall have a stick with your weapons; and when you sit down outside, you shall dig a hole with it, and turn your back and cover up your excrement." (Deut. 24,12). "Then he (God) said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith." (Eze. 4,15). "Therefore, behold, I (God) will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall . . . " (I Kings 14,10). "Behold, I (God) will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solumn feasts". (Mal. 2,3). When the Christian god threatens to spread the "dung of (their) solumn feasts" in the faces of his followers, it indicates how dung may have played a notable role in early Jewish rituals. The mention of "him that pisseth against the wall" may also refer to such rituals. We find earlier religious fascination with dung in the religions of Egypt. One belief held that the sky was a large meadow which was crawled over by a dung-beetle, or "scarab", which rolled the sun around, the way dung-beetles roll balls of dung. Egyptians thought young beetles were born directly out of the dung, and the scarab became a sky god and creator of life (2). The Mahabbharata, an epic poem of Hindu mythology, lets us see another godly fixation toward bodily functions: "The ear, the skin, the two eyes, the tongue, the nose, the two feet, the two hands, the speech, the genital organ, and the anus, these verily are the ten sacrificial priests. Sound, touch, color, taste, smell, words, actions, motion, and the discharge of seed, urine, and excretions are the ten oblations (sacrificies)." In India, according to some Hindu customs, devout followers have used the dung of sacred cows as part of religious observances. A drink, composed of five products from the cow (milk, butter, curd, urine, and dung), listed in various sources as "panchagavia" or "panch gavya", has been consumed as a form of pentitence for sins committed(3). Might men worship gods of flatelent gas? Lo, it has come to pass! The words "inspiration", "expire", and "spirit" all derive from words meaning breath or wind. When people die, they stop breathing, so breath is equated with the life force, and God is said to "breathe life" into Adam. Beleivers commonly attempted to preserve a person's essence or soul by capturing their last breath, regardless of which end might expel it. Foul emanations from one's lower recesses may be the original "inspiration" for the belief in possession by evil spirits. The Roman deity Crepitus, whose name means "crackling sound" or "flatulence", has been traced to an Egyptian goddess named Le Pet (fart). It is also interesting to note that the Roman god Ajax, who has been connected with agriculture and the fertilization of crops with manure, is now the namesake of a toilet bowl cleaner. Israelite and Moabite worshippers of Bel-Phegor were said to "present" their naked posteriors before the altar
[CTRL] RepubliKKKans who cheat!
-Caveat Lector- From the great Republicans Suck site Rep. Henry Hyde Broke up a family during his seven year adulterous affair! Mike Bowers Cheated on his wife for FIFTEEN YEARS! Newt Gingrich Dumped his ex-wife while she was in a hospital bed suffering from cancer... Bob Dole Cheated on his first wife with his current wife, Elizabeth Dole. Former Rep. Bob Dornan Reported to have cheated on and beaten his wife. John Linder Has a wandering eye for his female staff members. Ronald Reagan Dumped Jane Wyman by cheating on her with several Hollywood starlets William Cohen Dumped his wife for a new one. Guy Millner because he has sex with women he isn't married to Rush Limbaugh Fat as he may be, he cheated on two of his three wives... Mitch Skandalakis Hired hookers from his Las Vegas hotel room! Michael Deaver Was so drunk he doesn't remember hiring hookers... John Warner Dumped his wife for Elizabeth Taylor... Bill Randall A Florida Congressional candidate and minister, he fathered an illegitimate child during his affair! Bill McCartney Promise Keepers founder who didn't keep his Promise to his wife and then lied about it for 20 years! Rep. Dan Burton Had at least six adulterous affairs, and fathered a bastard son who, today, he ignores!! Rep. Bob Barr Cheated on all three of his wives! Rudolph Giuliani Boffs his assistant in Gracie Mansion while his wife stays home with the kids! Sen. Strom Thurmond Cheated on his fourth wife at age 88!! Gilbert Davis Allowed himself to be videotaped DrUnK during his adultery! Bob Packwood Drank huge amounts of hard liquor and then tongue-kissed his female staffers against their will! Gov. Kirk Fordice Got so hopped up by his mistress that he crashed his Jeep Cherokee and got himself hurt! Beverly Russell The Christian Coalition coordinator who molested his stepdaughter Susan Smith, who later killed her own kids. .Marv Albert Calls himself a Republican, bites his longtime mistresses, and has sex with her while wearing women's underwear Michael Huffington The Former GOP Congressman who cheated on his wife Arianna - with other men! Oklahoma Lt. Gov. Mary Fallin had an adulterous affair with her Security Guard - a state trooper! Rep. Helen Chenoweth Who screwed most every married male member of the Idaho Legislature! Just thought the hypocrisy would be fun to point out at this late date. Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] RepubliKKKans who cheat!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/11/99 6:26:53 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of the people you mentioned ever committed perjury, or suborned perjury, in relation to their supposed adultery...and THAT, dear sir, amply points out YOUR hypocrisy, and the hypocrisy of ALL you Klintonistas... You still don't 'get it', do you? It wasn't about sex, it's about the Constitution, maintaining the law of the land, and NO ONE being ABOVE the law of the land. June First off June, I'm no Klintonista, I just abhor hypocrisy, and the self-righteous howls that were heard from some of Klintons detractors, well thanks to good people like Larry Flint...NOW we KNOW the truth... Klinton was targeted by a vast and well-funded right wing witch hunt, I personally enjoy watching the fair play we call turnabout. Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] impeach this
-Caveat Lector- Oh E-Mael, you be switty, How's this- E- Mael can't rhyme for jack\ He thinks himself a genius/ But, when mommy and daddy be's away/ (S)he acts like a penis Well, I like itthink it "exposes" you for what you are... a punk-ass kid, who's ill- formed (and spelled) opinions, expose you for what you really are... a bantamweight (115) trying to fight in the heavyweight division,...Oh putz-punk...one punch..., that's really all I need... Bill Shannon DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Social Democracy Betrayed.
-Caveat Lector- LE MONDE DIPLOMATIQUE - April 1999 Social democracy betrayed by IGNACIO RAMONET For the first time since it was established in 1949, the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation is engaged in a war against a country that has not committed any act of aggression outside its own frontiers. And for the first time since 1945, European forces are bombing a sovereign European state. The decision to go to war, announced on 23 March 1999, was described by NATO Secretary-General Javier Solana, one-time leader of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, as a "moral duty". Mr Solana is supported in this decision principally by the French, German, Italian and UK heads of government, Lionel Jospin, Gerhard Schröder, Massimo d'Alema and Tony Blair - all four of them eminent proponents of social democracy in Europe. They all agreed to the military solution proposed by Washington as the "only way" to break the deadlock in the Kosovo peace negotiations, even though it is common knowledge - confirmed by US experience in Iraq since 1991 - that crises of this kind cannot be settled by air strikes and any attempt to send in land forces to occupy Kosovo would be extremely costly in terms of human life and might extend the conflict to the whole Balkan peninsula. The crisis is largely the result of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's refusal to grant Kosovo a broad measure of political autonomy. But he has widespread support for this stand among the Serbian population who believe Kosovo should remain within Serbia for cultural reasons and feel a sense of solidarity with the Serb minority there. So this is not, as NATO propaganda would have us believe, a clash between an isolated President Milosevic on one side and the allied forces and the Serbian people, ripe for "liberation", on the other. The situation is more complicated. Mr Solana justified the decision on the ground that we must prevent an authoritarian regime from continuing to oppress its own people in Europe (1). Does this mean that we must resort to force to oblige Turkey, also a European country and a member of NATO, to grant autonomy to Kurdistan and end an oppression that has already caused thousands of deaths among Kurdish civilians? Is there by any chance a double standard here? How could the social democrat leaders, heirs to Jean Jaurès and a long tradition of respect for international law, yield to pressure from Washington and embark on a military escapade that has not a shred of international legitimacy? There is no UN Resolution expressly authorising the use of force in the region and the UN Security Council, the supreme arbiter on international conflicts, was not consulted before the first strikes were launched and has not agreed to the use of armed force against Serbia. And finally, it did not occur to any of these leaders to explain themselves to their national parliaments before going to war, let alone ask their permission to commit their armed forces to the conflict. Thus socialism, one of the great unifying myths of mankind, has once again been betrayed by the social democrat leaders of Europe. The resignation of German Finance Minister Oskar Lafontaine on 12 March 1999 had already afforded spectacular proof of the bankruptcy of social democracy and its inability to provide an alternative to the ruling neo-liberal orthodoxy that now finds even the Keynesian approach that enabled President Roosevelt to bring the US through the economic crisis of the 1930s too left-wing. Oskar Lafontaine stood accused by his fellow-socialists of five cardinal sins: wanting to re-launch Europe, advocating a fairer tax system, criticising the European Central Bank, calling for reform of the international monetary system and, earlier, asking the Bundesbank to lower interest rates in order to reduce the cost of borrowing, stimulate consumption and combat unemployment. It is impossible not to see his departure as yet another sign of the ideological collapse of social democracy. The movement has completely lost its bearings. It is steering a course as best it can, obsessed with the next crisis looming up and devoid of any sound theoretical basis - unless you count those catalogues of renunciation and reneging, The Third Way by Blair's adviser, Anthony Giddens, and The Right Choice by Schröder's mentor, Bodo Hombach. For social democracy, which holds undisputed sway in all the major countries of Europe, politics means economics, economics means finance, and finance means the markets. That is why it is keen to encourage privatisation, the dismantling of the public sector, and concentrations and mergers of giant corporations. It is willing to renounce the social compact and has abandoned all idea of full employment or eradicating poverty, of seeking to alleviate the plight of the EU's 18 million unemployed and 50 million poor. Social democracy won the intellectual battle after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. The conservatives lost and are preparing to
[CTRL] Another view of Kosovo.
-Caveat Lector- Bombin' Bill going mano a mano against Sadistic Slobo: we like that By Barbara Ehrenreich Thursday April 8, 1999 A round of applause, please, for the Serbian people. No matter how often they're pounded with bombs and told their leader is 'Hitler' incarnate, none of them seems to be launching impeachment proceedings. Instead, they mock us on CNN by holding up placards saying: 'Sorry, we didn't know it [the downed US plane] was invisible.' Or they gather in Belgrade for patriotic rock concerts featuring some of the very same performers who, only three years ago, were busily rocking against Milosevic. In an instructive contrast to Nato, which fights only when the weather is agreeable and preferably after all anti-aircraft installations have been demolished - the Serb civilians even don bulls-eyes and form human chains over vulnerable bridges. Confronted with this extraordinary surge of Serbian solidarity, Nato spokesman Jamie Shea opined that they'll get over it soon enough. A follow-up question, if you don't mind, Mr Shea: if the Serbs are still smarting from their defeat at the battle of Kosovo more than 600 years ago, what makes you think they're going to forget the bombings of Belgrade, Novi Sad and Aleksinac in a couple of weeks? The historical analogies are far from encouraging. When the Luftwaffe bombed London, you may recall that the English failed to rise up against Winston Churchill. Similarly, the obsessive bombing of Iraq by the United States has yet to produce a mighty pro-democracy, anti-Saddam, movement on the ground. In fact, persecution - real or perceived - is the very seedbed of nationalist enthusiasm. Observe how the Australians still get misty-eyed over the battle of Gallipoli, at which they were soundly whipped. You don't have to read Serbo-Croatian to understand what the Serb rockers and demonstrators are trying to tell us: namely, that there's more than one person in Serbia. But the Nato assault has so far been conducted against a single individual, just as the US likes to imagine that Iraq contains only one occupant, Saddam Hussein. It's the one-man theory of the nation state, and its effect is to transform war into an SM psychodrama: now that we've degraded 'his' infrastructure and knocked out 'his' supply lines, will he finally break? Will he cry uncle? No one in Nato seems to have realised that when Milosevic looks out of his window, he doesn't just see mangled bridges and smashed ministries, he sees the same militant crowds that we do. Imagine the warm feeling it must give him to know that this time the crowds aren't calling for him to be ousted, they're hailing him as the saviour of his country. The one-man theory of the nation state undoubtedly has its charms. For one thing, it eliminates the psychological imponderable that is nationalism, which can be ignored while we concentrate on the individual psychopathology of a Slobodan or a Saddam. It furthermore eases any guilt occasioned by civilian casualties, since those civilians never fully existed in the first place. Finally, it restores the lost glories of the days of individual combat, when brave men rode out on horseback to joust with the other side's warrior heroes, while the foot soldiers fell back in awe. Which would you rather watch on TV: Nato vs the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, or Bombin' Bill going mano a mano against the Sadistic Slobo? The alternative, multi-person, theory of the state is not only conceptually more challenging, it would require an entirely different approach to conflict. You'd start, not with bombs, but with an information blitz, aimed at an entire population. If, for example, the Serb people think the Kosovans are fleeing Nato bombs, not Serbian forces, why not deluge them with faxes and e-mails? Maybe an information war wouldn't work, but with a literate, PC-possessing population, there's no excuse for not giving it a try. Next, you'd bend over backwards not to injure a single Serbian civilian, even if this means passing on a tempting downtown target or two. If peace is the aim, then the peacekeeper's rule should be the same as the medical professional's: first, do no harm. If all this sounds disgustingly wimpy, bear in mind that the current Nato strategy seems designed to turn the children in Belgrade bomb shelters into tomorrow's international terrorist menace. In the end, of course, we bomb because bombing is what we know how to do. But here another historical analogy may apply: in the Hundred Years war, the French knights tried to battle English longbowmen by charging them, on horseback, in the usual knightly fashion. Again and again - at Crecy and through Agincourt - the French knights charged very nicely indeed, and were duly slaughtered by English arrows. So yes, Nato does a commendable job of bombing. Now let's see it try to accomplish something useful. Barbara Ehrenreich is the author of Blood Rites: Origins And History Of The Passion Of War,
[CTRL] Journalist *ucked with. From Ian Goddard.
-Caveat Lector- April 13, 1999 After a jury in Michigan did what it could do to ensure pain and suffering for the terminally ill by convicting Dr. Jack Kevorkian, another jury in New York just did what it could do to send the message to journalists that efforts to break the Flight 800 cover-up and provide America with a second opinion (other than the government's) about evidence in that case will not be tolerated. James Sanders and his wife were just convicted for James having accepted patches of seat cushion taken from the wreckage so that independent tests could be conducted so as to give the world a second opinion. The message is clear: one nation, one investigation. Some argue: "But if someone has evidence proving it was a missile hit, why don't they bring it forward?" Right, I mean who wouldn't want to end up in jail? Info On The Federal War on James and Elizabeth Sanders: http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/CRASH/TWA/sanderscase.html The Residue Sanders Tested Was NOT Glue, as FBI/Media Claim: http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/CRASH/TWA/BASS/bassett.html http://www.multipull.com/twacasefile/residues.html http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/2639/no_res.html ==Associated Press Report == 2 Convicted in TWA Evidence TheftBy Pat MiltonAssociated Press Writer Tuesday, April 13, 1999; 6:07 p.m. EDT UNIONDALE, N.Y. (AP) -- A self-styled investigative reporter and his wife were convicted Tuesday of stealing scraps of upholstery from the wreckage of TWA Flight 800 in an effort to prove his theory that the airliner was shot down by a Navy missile. A federal jury took two hours to convict James Sanders, 53, and his wife Elizabeth, 52, a former TWA training supervisor, of conspiracy and aiding and abetting thethefts. The couple from Williamsburg, Va., could get up to 10 years in prison when sentenced July 9. ``I'm shocked,'' Sanders said in a telephone interview after the verdict. ``I'm confident we will prevail. I'm more shocked for my wife, Liz.'' Sanders said he ``wouldn't have started down this road if I wasn't prepared to go to jail. It sends an incredible strong message to journalists.'' All 230 people aboard Flight 800 were killed when the Boeing 747 exploded over the Atlantic on July 17, 1996, just minutes after leaving New York's Kennedy Airport on a flight to Paris. The government has said the plane was destroyed by a fuel tank fire of as-yet unknown origin but has rejected sabotage, terrorism or ``friendly fire'' from the Navy. In newspaper articles and a 1997 book, ``The Downing of TWA Flight 800,'' Sanders claimed stains on seat upholstery taken from the plane were formed by missile fuel, bolstering his theory. The FBI said the stainswere glue. The government's case relied heavily on the testimony of Terrell Stacey, a former TWA pilot who admitted helping Sanders by stealing crash-related documents and scraps of the seat covering from the hangar where investigators had reassembled the plane's wreckage. Stacey, who had flown the plane the day before the crash and was assigned by TWA to assist in the investigation, testified against the Sanderses in exchange for being allowed to plead guilty to amisdemeanor theft charge. Sanders' attorney, Bruce Maffeo, said he will appeal. He said Sanders was ``a journalist trying to get the truth out'' and made no attempt to hide the fact that the evidence was passed to him. END OF AP REPORT Two miscarriages of justice, one day! Shame on US! Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Our Founding Fathers on Christianity
-Caveat Lector- John Adams (1735-1826) 2nd President of the United States " As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion " Article 11, Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary. As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that has ever existed?" Letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816 " Indeed, Mr. Jefferson, what could be invented to debase the ancient Christianism, which Greeks, Romans, Hebrews, and Christian factions, above all the Catholics, have not fraudulently imposed upon the public? Miracles after miracles have rolled down in torrents, wave succeeding wave in the Catholic church, from the Council of Nice, and long before, to this day." To Jefferson, Dec. 3, 1813 Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) American scientist, diplomet, writer "I wish it (Christianity) were more productive of good works ... not holy day keeping, sermon hearing ... of making long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing Deity." Works, Vol. VII p.75 "The way to see by Faith, is to shut the eye of Reason." Poor Richard, 1758 "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." Ibid. "If we look back into history for the character of the present sects of Christianity, we shall find few that have not in turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it on the Puritans. They found it wrong in Bishops, but fell into the practice both here (England) and in New England." Ibid. Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) 3rd President of the United States "Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisioned ; yet we have not advanced on inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." Notes on Virginia "They (the christian clergy) believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of man. To Sr. Benjamin Rush, 1800 "On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind." To Carey, 1816 George Washington (1732-1799) 1st Elected President of the United States "The United States is in no manner founded on Christian principle." Treaty of Tripoli DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: ADV6-26-99: Smell the Blood!
-Caveat Lector- Pierce is an anti-Semite of the 1st order...He web site www.natvan.com, clearly shows this...listen to his broadcasts here, they're almost funny But, point blank...Pierce is a nutcase!! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] E-Bay Auctioning Stealth F-111a Nighthawk
-Caveat Lector- [Unable to display image] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Tim Leary FBI Snitch-
The attached FBI files show that "counter-culture icon" Timothy Leary was in fact one of "them"... tlsummar12.ZIP
[CTRL] FWD:Mother Jones-NATO Used Depleted Uranium Weapons in Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- Depleted Uranium: The Invisible Threat NATO used depleted uranium munitions in Kosovo. Now, critics are concerned that DU contamination may cause serious health problems for returning refugees. by j.j. richardson June 23, 1999 Related Articles: Interview: Veton Surroi (6/24/99) Serb Refugees Rejected By Belgrade (6/24/99) Reality Check: DU (6/23/99) Rape Victims Suffer Twice (6/18/99) Alternative News (Updated daily) The Balkan Tribe (January 1993, Mother Jones) More Kosovo Coverage NATO's continued bombardment of Yugoslavia had several stated goals, one of which was the safe return of hundreds of thousands of Kosovar refugees. With refugees already pouring back over the borders, attention and concern now turn to the conditions facing returning refugees: bombed roads and bridges, burned villages, and an almost non-existent civil infrastructure. But there's another potential problem: depleted uranium (DU). The Pentagon has confirmed that it used DU in Kosovo. It has also confirmed it has no plans to clean it up. Depleted uranium is twice as heavy as lead. As a result, ammunition made from DU can pierce just about any armor. But while it's extremely effective as an anti-tank weapon, DU does have a downside: It is radioactive and, in dust form, it can cause serious internal injuries. A waste product of nuclear weapon manufacturing and reactor use, depleted uranium is only about half as radioactive as natural uranium. When used in combat, the uranium in the bullet or round ignites upon impact and, when it combines with oxygen, forms a toxic cloud of uranium oxide dust. Solid uranium is not harmful; DU is toxic only if the dust is inhaled or ingested, or if DU-contaminated shrapnel enters the body. Once oxidized, the dust -- which remains toxic to those who may inhale or ingest it -- settles in the immediate area and is also dispersed by wind and rain. What risks does DU pose to returning refugees? It depends on who you ask. Predictably, the Pentagon denies that the DU used in Kosovo poses any danger to the refugees. Indeed, it cites a number of studies in support of its conclusion. But there are a number of critics who say, essentially, the Pentagon is lying. Significantly, one of the biggest critics of the Pentagon's policy on DU is a former U.S. Army officer who was in charge of cleaning up DU after the Gulf War. Doug Rokke served as the Theatre 12th Preventative Medicine Command health physicist with the 3rd U.S. Army Medical Command in the Persian Gulf War. Rokke had overall responsibility for radiological safety in the war, and his team was charged with the "clean up" of DU-contaminated battlefields and equipment in Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. His team never received any specialized training or protective gear. Within two weeks of his return from duty in the Middle East, Rokke and the other members of his DU assessment team began developing health problems. "The Department of Defense doesn't want to admit that DU is harmful because they don't want the liability," he says. In March of 1991, Rokke says he received a faxed memorandum from Lt. Col. Ziehmn of Los Alamos National Laboratory suggesting "that we didn't 'find' anything that would disrupt the military's use of depleted uranium. They were using it, period." In the past eight years, most of the original team has developed health problems, and some have died, according to Rokke. Rokke himself has had severe kidney and respiratory problems. A urinalysis conducted in March of 1994 -- three years after he returned to the States -- showed that the level of uranium present in his urine exceeded the normal level by more than 2,000 percent. Lt. Col. Diane Lawhon, a spokesperson for the Pentagon's Office of the Special Assistant for the Gulf War Illnesses [OSAGWI] acknowledges that DU weaponry gives off "minor radiation," but says that the DU released in such "minute fragments ... should not be a health concern for returning refugees." According to Lawhon, "Uranium is all around us, in the air, the soil ... when exposed [to DU] the body just assimilates it." The MoJo Wire received a faxed confirmation from Department of Defense press officer Lt. Col. Mike Milord that the Pentagon does not have plans to clean up the DU contamination in Kosovo: "No. It's use has been minimal and we do not believe it poses any significant health risk." Rokke, of course, disagrees. The key to determining the danger posed to refugees, he says, is the quantity of DU used in Kosovo. That fact is impossible to determine given that the Pentagon refuses to release any information about its use of DU, beyond a general acknowledgement that it was used. However, by taking into account the number of sorties the A-10 Warthogs (the planes firing the DU bullets, according to the Pentagon) were flying per day, the estimated percentage of those sorties which actually fired DU rounds, and the number of rounds their guns hold, it is possible to arrive
[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS Jul 9
UNDERNEWS Sam Smith July 9, 1999 The Progressive Review 1739 Conn. Ave. NW Washington DC 20009 202-232-5544 Fax: 202-234-6222 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INDEX: http://prorev.com RECENT UNDERNEWS: http://prorev.com/indexa.htm TODAY'S HEADLINE NEWS: http://prorev.com/altnews.htm ALTERNATIVE NEWS SOURCES: http://prorev.com/hot.htm THE REVIEW FORUM: http://prorev.com/letters.com DONATIONS AND ORDER FORM: http://prorev.com/order3.htm UNSUBSCRIBE: Reply with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. For a free subscription to our e-mail updates send your postal address with zip code. Copyright 1999, The Progressive Review. Matter not independently copyrighted may be reprinted provided TPR is paid your normal reprint fees, if any, and is given proper credit. While there is no subscription fee for UNDERNEWS, donations are welcome and can be made by check to the address above or by credit card at http://prorev.com/order3.htm Because of its quantity, TPR's mail is not always answered, but it is always read. The editor is cheered or remorseful as appropriate and posts some of the more interesting messages at http://prorev.com/letters.htm -- TPR'S MORNING LINE: Electoral College: Bush: 165 Gore: 25 Tie: 33 Senate: GOP picks up two with one too close to call FOLLOW THE POLLS AND TRENDS http://www.prorev.com/amline.htm AND REMEMBER TO SERVICE YOUR LEXUS REGULARLY For those of you who've done well in the stock market, how can you keep it going? The easiest way to keep it going is go to places where there aren't enough jobs and there aren't enough consumers and create more of both. Create more business owners, create more workers, create more consumers. That's all growth completely without inflation. -- W.J. Clinton speaking to students in a Watts (LA) high school training program JOURNOPROP OF THE WEEK KATIE COURIC ENDING AN INTERVIEW WITH LARRY SUMMERS: Alright, well, Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers. I know people have called Robert Rubin the best Treasury Secretary since Alexander Hamilton so I know you have some big shoes to fill. All the best to you." THE CASPIAN CONNECTION UPI: The U.S. government has given Bulgaria a half-million dollar grant to explore building a pipeline across the Balkans to pump Caspian Sea oil to the West, sending shock waves through Turkey, a key U.S. ally that wants the potentially lucrative pipeline for itself The decision has raised speculation among regional experts that it may be part of a larger economic development plan envisioned by the Clinton administration to stabilize the southern Balkans after the massive dislocations and infrastructure damage caused by the Serbian repression in Kosovo and the US -led NATO bombing of Serbia. EXCERPTS FROM A SPEECH BY HAROLD PINTER http://www.prorev.com/indexa.htm#july9 NEWS FROM THE COLONIES ROBERT FISK, INDEPENDENT, LONDON: [A CNN reporter] "astounded one of his English colleagues after NATO had bombed a narrow road bridge in the Yugoslav village of Varvarin, killing dozens of civilians, many of whom fell to their death in the River Morava. That'll teach them not to stand on bridges,' he roared" This was not the kind of language he used on air, of course, where CNN's report on the bridge killings was accompanied by the remark that there had been civilian casualties according to the Serb authorities'all this when CNN's own crew had been there and filmed the decapitated corpse of the local priest Two days before NATO bombed the Serb Television headquarters in Belgrade, CNN received a tip from its Atlanta headquarters that the building was to be destroyed. They were told to remove their facilities from the premises at once, which they did. A day later, Serbian Information Minister Aleksander Vucic received a faxed invitation from the Larry King Live show in the US to appear on CNN. They wanted him on air at 2:30 in the morning of 23 April and asked him to arrive at Serb Television half an hour early for make-up. Vucic was latewhich was just as well for him since NATO missiles slammed into the building at six minutes past two. The first one exploded in the make-up room where [a] young Serb assistant was burned to death. CNN calls this all a coincidence, saying that the Larry King show, put out by the entertainment division, did not know of the news department's instruction to its men to leave the Belgrade building." ECO-NOTES ENVIRONMENT NEWS SERVICE One of the marine world's great natural treasures - its coral reefs - faces widespread catastrophe from climate change, according to a new scientific projection. Unrestrained warming cannot occur without the complete loss of coral reefs on a global scale, the report states Greenpeace, which launched the report internationally, predicted that the damage would wreak havoc in fisheries and tourism, disrupting the economies of many nations.
[CTRL] Fwd: The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #98
The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #98 - July 9, 1999 A Publication of the Drug Reform Coordination Network PLEASE COPY AND DISTRIBUTE (To sign off this list, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line "signoff drc-natl" in the body of the message, or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. To subscribe to this list, visit http://www.drcnet.org/signup.html.) This issue can be also be read on our web site at http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html. TABLE OF CONTENTS 1. 100th Issue of Week Online Coming Up, Note to Our Readers http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#100issues 2. Study: Hepatitis C Has Reached Epidemic Proportions Among Intravenous Drug Users http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#hepc 3. New Mexico Alliance Formed in Response to Governor's Call for Decriminalization Debate http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#nmalliance 4. Berkeley City Council Wants Marijuana Decriminalized Further http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#berkeleydecrim 5. DEA Reschedules Marinol http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#marinol 6. Summer Brown Bag Lunch Video and Lecture Series, Washington, DC http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#videos 7. EDITORIAL: The Heat Is On http://www.drcnet.org/wol/098.html#editorial 1. 100th Issue of Week Online Coming Up, Note to Our Readers Two weeks from now, The Week Online with DRCNet will publish its 100th issue. This represents a significant milestone as The Week Online is the only weekly publication in the country dedicated to providing original, comprehensive coverage of the drug war and the growing movement for reform. We'd like to thank all of you who have been with us since the beginning in July of 1997, and welcome the thousands of you who have come to The Week Online more recently. We appreciate your readership, your comments and criticisms and your support. Speaking of support, this would be a terrific time to consider making a donation to DRCNet in honor of our 100th issue. Though we are passionate about our work, we have found it difficult to imbue that same level of commitment in our landlord, our service provider, Office Depot, and all of the others who see us less as activists for truth and justice than as accounts receivable. Please visit our online registration form, at http://www.drcnet.org/drcreg.html, click on the "secured form" link to make a credit card donation, or just fill out the form, hit submit and print it out to mail in with your check or money order -- or just send them to: DRCNet, 2000 P Street, NW, Suite 615, Washington, DC 20036. Please note that donations to the Drug Reform Coordination Network are not tax-deductible. Tax deductible donations to support our educational work can be made to the DRCNet Foundation, same address. From all of us here at DRCNet, thanks for being part of the solution. 2. Study: Hepatitis C Has Reached Epidemic Proportions Among Intravenous Drug Users Taylor West, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A study recently released by the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health sheds light on the epidemic of the liver disease Hepatitis C that has quietly torn through the nation's injection drug-using populations. The study found that in Baltimore, a city known both for its serious drug problems and its progressive approach to solving them, over 90% of intravenous drug users are infected with the Hepatitis C virus, or HCV. HCV is a disease that attacks the liver, and currently it is the number one reason for liver transplants in the United States. The virus may reside in the body for long periods of time without any noticeable effects, and in fact may never lead to liver disease in many of those it infects. However, those that it attacks may suffer liver failure or cancer of the liver 10 or 15 years down the road. Furthermore, the attack of HCV is highly exacerbated if the infected person also has HIV, and activities that strain the liver, such as alcohol consumption, can greatly increase its negative effects. HCV, like HIV, is transmitted from person to person by the contact of bodily fluids, accounting for its prevalence among injection drug users who share needles and other equipment. However, HCV is much more easily transmitted due to the high density of its particles in infected blood. Joey Tranchina, Executive Director of the AIDS/Hepatitis Prevention ACTION Network, illustrated the importance of this phenomenon with a simple mental image. Imagine an eyedropper of blood placing a single drop in the palm of your hand, he explained. If that blood is HIV positive, there are perhaps five particles of HIV present in that drop. "If that same drop is infected with HCV," he said, "the Hep C particle count is at least 100,000." The ease with which HCV can be transmitted, combined with the relatively small amount of attention the disease has garnered to date, has created an explosion of the virus among
[CTRL] FWD: Bush Freemasons
In a message dated 7/10/99 9:06:45 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He Da Man; He Da Main Man! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Augusta (GA) Chronicle, July 4, 1999 Letters to the Editor Alleges G. W. Bush has connection with Freemasons George W. Bush is the leading fund raiser for the Republican Party because he is backed by the Texas Freemasons. Naturally, if he is backed by them, he would be backed by all Freemasons. Since the Freemasons essentially own and operate America, he is bound to be a shoo-in for the presidency. I was up on the Internet last year browsing the Mason websites and clicked on a picture of George W. Bush signing a document at a table and he was surrounded by a group of Masons dressed in suits and displaying their lambskin tool pouches in full view. For those of you who doubt the presence of Masons in business, just start looking for pyramids, stars, arches or miters in the logos of corporations or businesses in your area. If you doubt the presence of Masons in the government, just look at the pyramid on the back of the $1 bill or visit the Washington monument the next time you are in Washington, D.C. I thing all candidates should have to declare whether they are members of secret organizations, like the Masons or the Council on Foreign Relations, or it they are primarily backed by these organizations. With Mr. Bush and his big-business backers you will get no real change in government. The accumulation of wealth and power is the highest expression there is in a secular society. We have reached that plateau. For our government to achieve any higher status, it must step up onto a spiritual plane higher than the one it is on now. George W. Bush is powerless to take that step. Ken Lummis Martinez, GA Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist/ and sign up. Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist The Konformist KN4M 10 July 1999 Index Humor Break Join the Campaign to Legalize Microradio Fairness Accuracy in Reporting ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Could 'Mary Jane' Save the Farm? Tom Saunders, Bill Of Attainder Project ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) G. W. Bush Connection With Freemasons Special Report: Gene Rightmyer surfaces again? BATF Agent to speak in Vegas? Norio Hayakawa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Three Cult Men One day, 3 men wanted to join a certain cult so they approached the high priest of that cult. The high priest told the three men to do a bad thing each. The three men went home. The next day, they returned. The high priest asked the first man what bad thing he had done. The man said, "I killed a man." The high priest said, "Very good. Now go drink the unholy water and become one of us." The priest asked the second man the same question. The second man replied, "I robbed this woman, raped her and then I killed her." The high priest was very impressed. "Go drink the unholy water and join your new brothers." When the priest asked the third man the same question. The man replied, "I pissed in the unholy water." ** SISTERS OF MERCY A man is driving down a deserted stretch of highway, when he notices a sign out of the corner of his eye. It says Sisters of Mercy House of Prostitution 10 Miles. He thinks it was just a figment of his imagination and drives on without a second thought. Soon, he sees another sign which says Sisters of Mercy House of Prostitution 5 Miles and realizes that these signs are for real. When he drives past a third sign saying Sisters of Mercy House of Prostitution Next Right, his curiosity gets the best of him and he pulls into the drive. On the far side of the parking lot is a somber stone building with a small sign next to the door reading SISTERS OF MERCY. He climbs the steps and rings the bell. The door is answered by a nun in a long black habit who asks "What may we do for you, my son?" He answers "I saw your signs along the highway, and was interested in possibly doing business." "Very well, my son. Please follow me." He is led through many winding passages and is soon quite disoriented. The nun stops at a closed door,and tells the man "Please knock on this door." He does as he is told and this door is answered by another nun in a long habit and holding a tin cup.This nun instructs "Please place $50 in the cup, then go through the large wooden door at the end of this hallway." He gets $50 out of his wallet and places it in the second nun's cup. He trots eagerly down the hall and slips through the door, pulling it shut behind him. As the door locks behind him, he finds himself back in the
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Radar Shows 'Getaway Boat' Fleeing Flight 800 Crash
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist/ and sign up. Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist FL800: The Got-Away Boat Thursday, July 08, 1999 05:33:16 AM From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Over a year ago, TWA 800 Case Files [*] broke the story of a "boat" shown in the official NTSB report to have been approximately below the Flight 800 crash speeding away from the crash scene at 30 knots SSW out to deep sea, which is very fast for a large "boat." Radar-horizon calculations show the boat to be about 60 ft in height, and thus it is more like a ship. The FBI has since conceded its existence, but, while they did say their search for missile-firing suspects had "left no stone unturned," they now tell us that they failed to identify this "boat" captured on radar speeding away from the crash scene at a rate matching top speeds of most Navy ships. So a large ship simply got away, and, except for the known radar tracks, miraculously evaded the myriad tracking systems (including IR-video satellite and Navy systems) that covered the area. Will wonders never cease?! [*] http://www.multipull.com/twacasefile/boat.html Here then, from The New York Observer, is the latest on the unidentified fleeing ship tracked below FLT800: === http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage6.htm The New York Observer (7/12/99, page 1) Radar Shows 'Getaway Boat' Fleeing Flight 800 Crash by Philip Weiss The third anniversary of the crash of Trans World Airlines Flight 800 is July 17, so it's a good time to look into what even the Government reluctantly concedes is a mystery about the crash: "the 30-knot track." The 30-knot track is the radar trail of a boat that was the closest vessel to the 747 when it exploded and that then headed out to sea on a beeline from right under the burning wreckage. "That boat is extremely suspect," said William S. Donaldson, a retired Navy commander who supports the missile theory of the plane's destruction. "He not only doesn't turn to render assistance, he runs." "It's like the getaway car," said Graeme Sephton, an electrical engineer who is active in an Internet researchers organization that is highly critical of the Federal investigation. The Government doesn't think the unidentified boat is such a big deal. "It does not intrigue me," said Peter Goelz, the National Transportation Safety Board managing director. F.B.I. spokesman Joseph Valiquette added, "In an ideal world, it would be nice to know everything, but I don't think the F.B.I. or the N.T.S.B. claims to know everything that happened in the crash." This is a convenient position for the F.B.I. to adopt now. The most unsettling thing about the 30-knot track is that the F.B.I. essentially suppressed knowledge of it when the crash was foremost on the public agenda. Two years ago, the F.B.I. closed its criminal investigation into the crash, and James Kallstrom, then the lead F.B.I. investigator, testified before Congress that the agency's "exhaustive" efforts had included "tracking of all air and waterborne vessels in the area at the time of the explosion followed by appropriate interviews." Mr. Kallstrom later held a lengthy press conference saying that agents had "left no stone unturned." He went into great detail about suspicious boats. "Who is there in the water? Who could be escaping in any direction?" he said. "We identified 371 vessels in the Long Island area and did investigation on those vessels. For the one-month period, we identified 20,000 records of vessels that entered New York Harbor and did an investigation of those vessels." The F.B.I. even seized some boats to inspect the flooring for burns characteristic of backfire from a shoulder-fired rocket. Mr. Kallstrom's press conference was aimed at discrediting the missile theory, and it worked. In an editorial titled "Conspiracy Inoculation," The New York Times congratulated him for an "extraordinary" performance. The F.B.I. had shared its "voluminous evidence" with "admirable thoroughness and openness." The closing of the criminal investigation allowed the N.T.S.B. to hold hearings on the crash, one month later, where it offered hundreds of exhibits, a few of which depicted a "30-knot track" 10 miles out in the Atlantic. Radar data collected during the last minute of the T.W.A. flight revealed the two closest objects to the plane, both between three and four miles away, as a Navy P-3 airplane and what the exhibit called simply a "30-knot target." Radar data for the next 20 minutes showed the mystery boat heading on a beeline out to sea,
[CTRL] US Concentration Camps?? An investigation.
-Caveat Lector- Results of "Concentration Camp" Trip David Hoffman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hello all. I just got back from my ten-day "concentration camp" tour of three states. I brought back my striped uniform and have a new tattoo on my forearm to show for it. Seriously, I got this list of supposed camps off of Don Bradley's website (www.don-bradely.com). Bradley - an author of various new age subjects - has been ranting and raving for the past year about hundreds of camps with "machinegun towers, moats, gas-chambers, and roving armed patrols." Several of my colleagues (Robert Sterling, publisher of the alternative press, The Konformist, and a friend) went to the locations in California that Bradley ranted about (the ones with the machine-gun towers and gas-chambers) and came back laughing their asses off. To say that there was nothing there of the kind Bradley ranted about is an understatement. When Sterling repeatedly asked Bradley to come up with some facts (which Bradley had earlier promised to deliver), he failed to reply. Yet Bradley rants on. Following are what I found on my trip. In my estimation, Bradley - who is NOT a trained journalist and seems to possess no clue as to how to check facts (assuming he even wants to) - is a self-deluded paranoic and a pathological liar. - D.H. THE LIST Oklahoma Alleged Internment Camps Location 1: Tinker AFB: This is a civilian detention facility, all base personnel are prohibited from going near the area, and the area is under constant guard. Haven't been there yet, but plan to check it out. Location 2: McAlester (100 mi south-east of Norman): WWII German/Italian POW camp being renovated. There is nothing there but a Little League baseball field! What I think FEMA is planning on doing is turning the bleachers into baricades, and using 12-year olds to hit escaping prisoners with baseball bats. Location 3: Will Rogers Air Port: This is a newly constructed FEMA facility, and it is believed that it will be used as a primary processing center for prisoners West of the Mississippi River. I've been to Will Rogers airport. It is an airport - nothing more. Texas Alleged Internment Camps Location 1: Ft. Hood (just north of Austin) has a newly built concentration camp, constructed complete with towers, high fencing, and barbed wire. I drove around the base and saw nothing suspicious. I also talked with a seargent who has been on the base six years, and is a tank gunner (and who hates the Army). We struck up a conversation around our mutual interest in armor. After I gained his trust, I asked him about such facilities. He just laughed. I also talked to a junior tank officer. He laughed harder. (I did have a fun time traversing the tank turret and looking through the infrared site though!) Location 2: Forth Worth (40 mi north-west of Dallas): Federal prison under construction on the old Carswell AFB in Ft Worth, TX. Additional: The military hospital is within the compound. New buldings are being constructed at a panic rate. Haven't been there, but I called them. It is a a womens' hospital and prison. There is no new construction going on "at a panic rate," according to them. (I know,I know Don, they are all part of a conspiracy of silence!) Location 3: Beaumont Port Arthur (60 mi east of Houston) area: there were thousands of acres of federal camps already built on the order of detention camp design complete with the double row chain link fencing with the razor styled concertina wire on top of each row. Some but not all of these facilities are currently being used for low-risk prisoners who require a minimum of supervision. However, any of these facilities could be returned into an armed internment detention center within a 24-hr. period. Additional: The area is in Beaumont off Hwy 69 south and consists of thousands of acres of barbed-wire bordered camps. Those nearest the road are kept immaculate and are occupied by juveniles while those further from the road are not quite so nice. Most of the facilities are un-occupied but have skeleton crews on duty. Haven't been there, but I suppose any federal prison facility could be "returned into an armed internment detention center within a 24-hour period." What does that prove? Arkansas Alleged Internment Camps Ft. Chaffee (100 mi east of Tulsa) Has a new runway for aircraft, new detention camp facilities with capacity of 20,000 prisoners. (Dave: Take photos of rows of barracks at Chaffee, then make your way to the back of the base (south end) and try to find the FEMA compound. It has towers near it and a large fence with wire around the top.) I drove all around the base, and outside it, to the south (where the alleged FEMA facility is supposed to be), which is a residential neighborhood. The base is practically deserted. I counted two people the entire time I was there. A civilian worker told me the base is being shut down, which seems to fit in with what I saw.
[CTRL] Christ a Fiction.
-Caveat Lector- Christ a Fiction (1997) Robert M. Price I remember a particular Superboy comic book in which the Boy of Steel somehow discovers that in the future, he is thought to be as mythical as Peter Pan and Santa Claus. Indignant at this turn of events, he flies at faster than light speed and enters the future to set the record straight. He does a few super-deeds and vindicates himself, then comes home. So Superboy winds up having the last laugh --or does he? Of course, it is only fiction! The people in the future were quite right! Superboy is just as mythical as Santa Claus and Peter Pan. This seems to me a close parallel to the efforts of Christian apologists to vindicate as sober history the story of a supernatural savior who was born of a virgin, healed the sick, raised the dead, changed water into wine, walked on water, rose from the grave and ascended bodily into the sky. I used to think, when I myself was a Christian apologist, a defender of the evangelical faith, that I had done a pretty respectable job of vindicating that story as history. I brought to bear a variety of arguments I now recognize to be fallacious, such as the supposed closeness of the gospels to the events they record, their ostensibly use of eyewitness testimony, etc. Now, in retrospect, I judge that my efforts were about as effective in the end as Superboy's! When all is said and done, he remains a fiction. One caveat: I intend to set forth, briefly, some reasons for the views I now hold. I do not expect that the mere fact that I was once an evangelical apologist and now see things differently should itself count as evidence that I must be right. That would be the genetic fallacy. It would be just as erroneous to think that John Rankin [?] must be right in having embraced evangelical Christianity since he had once been an agnostic Unitarian and repudiated it for the Christian faith. In both cases, what matters is the reasons for the change of mind, not merely the fact of it. Having got that straight, let me say that I think there are four senses in which Jesus Christ may be said to be a "fiction." First (and, I warn you, this one takes by far the most explaining): It is quite likely, though certainly by no means definitively provable, that the central figure of the gospels is not based on any historical individual. Put simply, not only is the theological "Christ of faith" a synt hetic construct of theologians, a symbolic "Uncle Sam" figure. But if you could travel through time, like Superboy, and you went back to First-Cen tury Nazareth, you would not find a Jesus living there. Why conclude this? There are three reasons, which I must oversimplify for time's sake. 1) In broad outline and in detail, the life of Jesus as portrayed in the gospels corresponds to the worldwide Mythic Hero Archetype in which a divine hero's birth is supernaturally predicted and conceived, the infant hero escapes attempts to kill him, demonstrates his precocious wisdom already as a child, receives a divine commission, defeats demons, wins acclaim, is hailed as king, then betrayed, losing popular favor, executed, often on a hilltop, and is vindicated and taken up to heaven. These features are found world wide in heroic myths and epics. The more closely a supposed biography, say that of Hercules, Apollonius of Tyana, Padma Sambhava, of Gautama Buddha, corresponds to this plot formula, the more likely the historian is to conclude that a historical figure has been transfigured by myth. And in the case of Jesus Christ, where virtually every detail of the story fits the mythic hero archetype, with nothing left over, no "secular," biographical data, so to speak, it becomes arbitrary to assert that there must have been a historical figure lying back of the myth. There may have been, but it can no longer be considered particularly probable, and that's all the historian can deal with: probabilities. There may have been an original King Arthur, but there is no particular reason to think so. There may have been a historical Jesus of Nazareth, too, but, unlike most of my colleagues in the Jesus Seminar, I don't think we can simply assume there was. 2) Specifically, the passion stories of the gospels strike me as altogether too close to contemporary myths of dying and rising savior gods including Osiris, Tammuz, Baal, Attis, Adonis, Hercules, and Asclepius. Like Jesus, these figures were believed to have once lived a life upon the earth, been killed, and risen shortly thereafter. Their deaths and resurrections were in most cases ritually celebrated each spring to herald the return of the life to vegetation. In many myths, the savior's body is anointed for burial, searched out by holy women and then reappear alive a few days later. 3) Similarly, the details of the crucifixion, burial and resurrection accounts are astonishingly similar to the events of several surviving popular novels from the same period in which two lovers are separated when
[CTRL] FWD: The Nation- Benjamin Smith
-Caveat Lector- KATHA POLLITT Natural Born Killers It didn't take long for the press to connect 21-year-old white-supremacist multikiller Benjamin Smith with the all-purpose explanation du jour: violent entertainment, in this case the computer game Dungeons Dragons. This replaces the explanation, given by his mentor, Matt Hale, leader of the World Church of the Creator, that Smith was driven to shoot minorities in the Midwest over the July 4 weekend--six Orthodox Jews, at least three blacks, two Asians--because political correctness prevented him from expressing his racial theories verbally. It turns out Smith expressed himself verbally quite a bit: His views were widely known to his fellow students at Indiana University. And physically, too: He had been forced to withdraw from the University of Illinois after beating up a girlfriend in the dorm. As with the Littleton killers, there were plenty of warning signs. One neighbor from Wilmette, Illinois, where the Smith family lived during Benjamin's teen years, said she was afraid of him and was relieved when he moved away. Of course, even if Dungeons Dragons had totally warped Smith's mind, which I doubt, you can't kill many people driving around with a virtual sword. For that you need guns. In the wake of Littleton, it looked for a moment there as if Congress would be shamed into at least token gun-control legislation, but in the end John Dingell--a Democrat, for those of you who still like to blame the Republicans for all our woes--saved the nation from the dreadful prospect of having to wait for a background check before buying a personal arsenal from an unlicensed dealer at a gun show. The kind of serious, comprehensive legislation it would take to make a significant dent in the easy availability of firearms--a feature unique to the United States among Western industrialized nations--is decades, maybe lifetimes away. So forget gun control. Media violence is the trendy cause now. In the Washington Post, Michael Massing declares it's beyond question that the media are connected to real-world violence, although I find it hard to believe that the movies he singles out--LA Confidential and Pulp Fiction--had anything to do with the inner-city violence that he says shaped his views: crackheads throwing children off rooftops, teens killed in penny ante drug deals (besides, isn't rap music the usual suspect here?). Still, you won't find me defending art films loaded with stylized killing, hyperviolent action films, super-gory horror flicks, misogynous heavy metal and rap, violent computer games, slap-happy cartoons, sadomasochistic fashion spreads or sexist music videos. Whether or not you can connect this cultural effluvia to specific acts of violence in a one-to-one causal way, thousands of hours of it can't be good for the soul. But realistically, what does one do with that insight beyond curling up with a good book? The government is not about to censor pop culture, a huge commercial enterprise, any more than it's about to enact real checks on guns, another huge commercial enterprise. And there's another problem with fighting media violence. You wouldn't know this from the way the issue is presented by proponents of media uplift, but most Americans don't disapprove of the current media fare--they love it! The anti-slash-and-sleaze constituency is small and getting smaller. According to a recent Associated Press poll taken during the post-Littleton debate over media violence, only one-third of Americans said violence is the biggest problem with current movies. (The same number cited ticket prices.) And the 40 percent who said violence would make them less likely to see a film is down from the 60 percent who gave that answer a decade ago. Moreover, most of those in that 40 percent are women, old people and people who hardly ever go to the movies. It skews the issue to present the problem as one of "youth culture"--worried, disapproving parents falling asleep over Preston Sturges reruns while their crazy kids watch Natural Born Killers with one eye and update their racist Web site with the other. Much of America is deeply fascinated by violent entertainment. The whole family watches COPS and NYPD Blue and Homicide, and idolizes athletes, musicians and actors with records of brutality against women. Massing mentions Home Alone, which struck me too as containing rather a lot of supposedly humorous physical cruelty for a movie aimed at small children. But so what? Home Alone was the eleventh biggest-grossing movie ever. Or take wrestling. It's violent, racist, sexist and witless--Americans can't get enough of it, and now their kids can't either. Recently, a 7-year-old in Dallas killed his 3-year-old brother when he demonstrated a wrestling move he'd seen on TV--a pretty clear demonstration of a connection between media violence and the real thing--but how far do you think a campaign to confine televised wrestling to the post-bedtime hours would get?
Re: [CTRL] Second language education
-Caveat Lector- Hey Tenorlove...good for you!! Far better to know 2 languages than one... Noam Chomsky has written that our ability to learn new languages is at its peak in early childhood when the "language center" of the brain is still growing (hence the ability we have at an early age to learn the language of our parents) and that our ability to learn new languages diminishes with age...not that it's impossible, clearly it's not (though it may seem to be). Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Sinful Animals????
-Caveat Lector- Queens of the jungle Homosexuality is not confined to humans, it is natural in the animal world, finds ANTHONY DANIELS ACCORDING to Cole Porter, birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it, so there should be no reason we shouldn't do it as well. The "it" in question in Bruce Bagemihl's exhaustive (and exhausting) tome Biological Exuberance is, of course, homosexuality. Same-sex activity has been observed in 450 species of birds and mammals, and there may be many more in which it happens. Ethology (the study of the behaviour of animals in their normal environment) is, after all, a relatively new science. The first third of the book is a descriptive and theoretical essay, the latter two-thirds a gazetteer of animals in which homosexuality is known to occur. The work as a whole is an immense labour, its erudition clearly informed by intense personal passion, but it is rather humourless - despite the lesbian long-eared hedgehogs that keep popping up in the first third. We learn many interesting and startling facts in the course of its 750 pages - for example, that homosexual pairs of black swans are more successful at raising young than heterosexual pairs. Male orang-utans indulge in fellatio, male walruses sodomise each other, and in summer, killer whales devote a tenth of their time to homosexual activity. Female fat-tailed dunnerts (carnivorous marsupials) often mount one another. Homosexual activity is more frequent among giraffes than heterosexual, with males that rub necks becoming intensely aroused. The list is virtually endless. Homosexual activity in animals has been known for a long time, but not studied very closely, or given much prominence in textbooks. The author ascribes these omissions to the assumption by zoologists that heterosexual activity is the only "natural" form of sexuality, and to the general social disapproval and persecution of human homosexuality. On the relatively few occasions it has been described by naturalists, the explanations given for the "aberrant" behaviour have not been very satisfactory. One explanation of male homosexuality, for example, was the scarcity of females. Just as homosexual activity increases among men in prison, so male animals lacking the opportunity to mount females were supposed to turn to their brethren. Bagemihl has little difficulty in showing that such an explanation doesn't wash, as there are many species in which homosexuality takes place even in the presence of available members of the opposite sex. He likewise disposes of the idea that homosexuality is a stage during which animals practise for later heterosexual activity. The sheer variety of sexual activity among animals poses difficulties for evolutionary theory. Evolutionists have regarded sex as primarily a means of reproduction, but much sexual activity among animals (heterosexual and homosexual) serves no reproductive purpose, and indeed gets in its way - if the object of sex is to have as many surviving offspring as possible. The author therefore suggests that the study of animal sexuality in general, and homosexuality in particular, exposes the weakness of "the selfish gene" approach to biology: it is too narrow to explain the observed phenomena. Instead, he suggests that nature loves or promotes variety and exuberant diversity for its own sake. The mechanism by which such a preference is expressed is not explained. Bagemihl prefers, instead, to allude to "indigenous" cultures (native American, Melanesian, Siberian) which, he says, have a perfect understanding of a world in which "gender is kaleidoscopic, sexualities are multiple and the categories of male and female fluid are transmutable". His extravagant praise and approval of these cultures puts us back into the realm of that most exotic of mythical creatures, the noble (and wise) savage. This division of societies into Western-scientific and indigenous demonstrates, incidentally, that the author himself is no freer of biases than the predecessors he excoriates in his writing. We can all see everyone's biases but our own. It is clear that Bagemihl is emotionally much in favour of the polyvalent sexuality of the modern Western city. He is searching for a sanction in nature for the dissolution of human social boundaries and thinks he has found it in the conduct of animals. This seems to me a mistake. Homosexuality in humans would not necessarily be wrong even if it were found in no other species, and it is not right because it is found in zebras or musk oxen. Wives may not murder their husbands just because the females of some species of spider kill and eat the males after mating, and fathers may not kill their children just because male grizzly bears do so. In deciding how to behave or not to behave, we cannot look to the long-eared hedgehog for guidance. We must decide for ourselves. © The Telegraph DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list.
[CTRL] Fwd: 07-13-99: ACLU News -- Gruesome Florida Execution, DN
IN THE ACLU NEWSROOM **The Latest News Can Always Be Found At:** http://www.aclu.org/news/pressind.html * Upholding Free Speech Rights of the Unpopular, Idaho Court Allows Aryan Nations to March * ACLU Calls for Moratorium After Gruesome Electric Chair Execution * NYCLU Applauds Appointment of Applicants 35 and Older to New York Police Academy * Settlement Reached in ACLU's Class-Action Lawsuit Alleging Inadequacy of CT Public Defender System * ACLU and Indian Rights Group Seek to Secure Voting Rights for Montana's Native Americans * ACLU Urges Attorney General to Adopt Panel's Opposition to Mass DNA Testing * ACLU of Ohio Sues to Prevent State From Censoring Last Words of Death Row Prisoners * Other Recent ACLU Press Releases - Upholding Free Speech Rights of the Unpopular, Idaho Court Allows Aryan Nations to March FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, July 9, 1999 COEUR D'ALENE, ID -- A Federal Court today ordered the City of Coeur d'Alene to grant the Aryan Nations a parade permit allowing them to march through the city's downtown area tomorrow. The American Civil Liberties Union of Idaho had requested the court order on behalf of the group, claiming that the city had denied the parade route request for content-based reasons, and that such denial was an unconstitutional prior restraint of speech. In its order, Chief U.S. District Judge Edward J. Lodge agreed with the ACLU's argument that "the selection of the Ramsey Road parade route solely for the [Aryan Nations] parade is not a content-neutral application of the parade permit ordinance." The Court also said that the City's reasons for re-routing the parade were "pretextual," and that there was no evidence to suggest a "'clear and present danger' associated with the [Aryan Nation's] parade request." "The re-routing of the parade does not provide adequate channels of communication for the [Aryan Nations]," the Court said, "and removes the parade from the intended audience in potential violation of the First Amendment." Jack Van Valkenburgh, Executive Director of the ACLU of Idaho, said he was pleased with the Court's decision, and trusted that the public would not confuse the ACLU's defense of the right to speak with any defense of the Aryans' message. "'I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it' is a quote attributed to Voltaire," he said. "Well, if Voltaire were alive today, I think he would be proud of the ACLU." "The ACLU believes that the right to utter unpopular political speech -- on terms equal to the right to utter popular political speech -- is as fundamental to our American freedoms as any right, whether realized or imagined," he concluded. ACLU cooperating attorneys Harold B. Smith of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and Dawn Reynolds of Pullman, Washington, represented Richard Butler, on behalf of the Aryan Nations Substantial assistance was also provided by Elizabeth Brandt of Moscow. - ACLU Calls for Moratorium After Gruesome Electric Chair Execution FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, July 8, 1999 MIAMI -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida today called on Gov. Jeb Bush to halt all executions until officials can ensure that they can be conducted humanely and until greater fairness and due process in the imposition of death sentences can be assured. The ACLU's call for a moratorium comes after the bloody electric chair execution of inmate Allen Lee "Tiny" Davis at 7:10 a.m. this morning. Davis was executed for the brutal slayings of 37 year old Nancy Weiler and her two daughters in 1982. According to news reports and eyewitness accounts, blood poured from his mouth and oozed from his chest as Davis was hit with 2,300 volts. Davis was the first prisoner to be executed in the electric chair that replaced an earlier version of "Old Sparky." The replacement of the chair stemmed in part from reaction to a 1997 incident in which flames shot from the head of Pedro Molina as he was electrocuted. The ACLU said it is calling for a moratorium to open public debate not only about the method of execution in Florida but also, in light of the arbitrariness of the imposition of death sentences, whether the people of Florida are well served and made any safer by the death penalty. "Capital punishment is an intolerable denial of civil liberties and is inconsistent with the fundamental values of our democratic system," said Howard Simon, Executive Director of the ACLU of Florida. "Criminals no doubt deserve to be punished, and the severity of the punishment should be appropriate to their culpability. But Florida's record of executions, and the Legislature's obsession with electrocution as the method of execution, has been barbaric." In February 1997, the American Bar Association
Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- Who REALLY cares what Camille Paglia says about anything This butt ugly dyke, self-absorbed and a total media fabrication, has about as much ground to stand on as Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas on the issue of civil rights Who cares about Camille??? Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Ukraine-Back in the USSR??? -The Economist.
-Caveat Lector- EUROPE Ukraine Grim choices K I E V Search archive NEARLY eight years after independence from the Soviet Union, many of the candidates in Ukraines presidential election, due in October, say they want to go back, more or less, to the old days. And at least three out of the seven most serious say they want to recreate the Soviet Union in one guise or anotherwith Ukraine inside it. Even candidates who claim to want reform, President Leonid Kuchma included, hark back to the Soviet Union in other respects. Mr Kuchmas heavy-handed tactics smack of the era when a vote of 99% in favour of the incumbent was pretty average. Ukraine must follow the European road, he said recently. Changing the president would mean changing the political course: I have no right to let that happen. Hardly the spirit of democracy. Certainly, if various of the proclamations by other candidates are to be believed, Ukraine would veer sharply in another direction under several of Mr Kuchmas rivals. Parliaments speaker, for instance, Oleksandr Tkachenko, has been full of enthusiasm for the (so far mainly theoretical) reunion of Russia and Belarus, clearly implying that Ukraine should join it. Piotr Simonenko, head of Ukraines Communist Party and another candidate for president, favours that three-country link too. Natalia Vitrenko, running for the Progressive Socialist Party, wants the entire Soviet Union put back together. Each of these three old-guard candidates is well up with Mr Kuchma in the opinion polls. An analyst at the East-West Centre, a think-tank in Kiev, sayswith some justificationthat the forthcoming election could decide whether Ukraine has a future as an independent state. The back-to-the-Soviet Union candidates certainly have supporters, especially in Ukraines east and south, where ethnic Russians (numbering about 10m out of Ukraines 50m people) and Ukrainians with old-left sympathies are most numerous. In 1991, even they voted for independence, thinking that Ukraine was being exploited by the rest of the Soviet Union and that independence would bring prosperity. Eight years on, GDP has fallen by two-thirds. Easterners are particularly despondent. NATOs war over Kosovo has also helped set Ukrainian minds against the West. Though the Socialist Partys Oleksandr Moroz, a former speaker of parliament, is casting himself as a Scandinavian type of social democrat (albeit with the expectation of winning a lot of communist votes), the prevailing mood may also prod him into pandering to nostalgia for the Soviet Union. Of the wily old operators, Mr Kuchma apart, only Yevhen Marchuk, a former KGB boss for Ukraine, is still clearly pro-western. In his determination to fight back, Mr Kuchma is playing dirty. Last month the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), which tries, among other things, to encourage democratic habits, said his tactics could harm Ukraines relations with western institutions. Some of the presidents men have told television bosses that, if they give presidential challengers air-time, they may lose their licences or find that advertisers withdraw their business. The electoral commission has been helping the president, too. For example, it made life hard for Mr Moroz by stalling for a month over whether it would hand his party the forms it needed to get the minimum 1m voters signatures entitling him to run. Were facing a deliberate, planned campaign to stop me taking part in the election, complains Mr Moroz, who says some of his partys buildings have been set on fire and his supporters attacked. Recent events in Donetsk, the coal-mining area in the east that is a hotbed of anti-Kuchma feeling and happens also to be the countrys most populous region, have been particularly murky. Ivan Ponomarev, the head of the regions assembly and an enemy of Mr Kuchmas, mysteriously resigned in May. The chief beneficiary has been Viktor Yanukovich, the regions governor and one of the presidents friends. Despite a constitutional bar against one person being both governor and head of the regional assembly, Mr Yanukovich now has both jobs. More important, his new one should give him unimpeded oversight of the conduct of the election. The regional assembly is in charge of electoral procedure and, among other things, vote-counting. The outlook for the West (and particularly for the United States, which has set great store on Ukraines independence and future prosperity) is bleak. Not only do several presidential candidates with a chance of winning want to rebuild the Soviet Union, but the man most determined to point Ukraine westwards, Mr Kuchma, looks like resorting to highly undemocratic tactics to achieve the aim which the West, broadly, endorses. Bodies such as the OSCE are, to put it mildly, embarrassed. The Council of Europe, which monitors human rights across the continent and has among its members all but the very nastiest countries
[CTRL] A REAL conspiracy-For-profit health insurance.
-Caveat Lector- Babies die, mothers arrested U.S. health care and 'criminal negligence' By Deirdre Griswold New York The case of Tabitha Walrond, who is to be sentenced for "criminally negligent homicide" in the death of her infant son Tyler, brings into sharp focus the criminal negligence built into the U.S. health-care system. Tyler died after he and his 19-year-old mother were turned away from a New York clinic when she couldn't produce his Medicaid card. It arrived in the mail weeks after his death. He died because his mother, on the advice of doctors, had tried to breast-feed him but wasn't able to produce the necessary milk and never had a chance to find out what was wrong. Walrond's case has many similarities to that of Tatiana Cheeks, who was arrested in 1998 after her five-week-old daughter died of starvation. She also had been unable to successfully breast-feed the infant and had been turned away from a Brooklyn clinic because she had neither a Medicaid card nor the $25 required for a checkup for her baby. For most babies, breast milk is the best source of nourishment and in addition provides temporary immunity to diseases. In both cases, New York State's policy on paper is that a baby is covered for the first year of its life by its mother's Medicaid card. But the facilities supposed to serve the poor obviously violate this policy. Tabitha Walrond has been treated as a criminal to cover up the criminality of the profit system that has made access to health care unavailable for tens of millions of people in this wealthy country. If you're poor and depend on Medicaid, you have to fight for health care. You have to find out from others like yourself how to get past the red tape, how to deal with all the problems and errors that crop up to knock you out of the system. You're on your own against a bureaucracy that is rewarded for getting rid of you. If you're a person of color, like both Walrond and Cheeks, you can also face racist hostility. There are about 32 million people on Medicaid. Some 48 million more--and it's a growing number--have no medical coverage at all. Some have been cut from welfare and, with it, health coverage. Others are workers who can't get jobs with benefits because of several decades of reactionary restructuring of industry and union busting. But the health-care crisis also extends to workers who can't afford the high premiums now demanded for many medical insurance plans; seniors who are only partially covered by Medicare; and everyone who can't afford the expensive new medications prescribed by many doctors. What can be done about the health-care disaster? Has medical care just become too expensive? Is it impossible to have quality health care for all? Anyone who thinks that way should study the Cuban health-care system. If they truly care about the way all people are treated--and not just the elite few who can afford to buy the best coverage--they will be astounded by Cuba's success. One objective measure of this success is Cuba's infant mortality rate--7.1 per thousand live births, and still dropping. The world average is 59. Another measure is the ratio of doctors per inhabitant. Cuba's is the best in the world. It has 64,000 doctors, or one for every 170 people. For a developing country, this is an excellent achievement. For a country that has been blockaded for 40 years, it is phenomenal. Cuba has achieved this with a system that puts a doctor in every neighborhood and workplace. They call it an "integral community health program." Some 30,000 of Cuba's doctors work in community health clinics that put the emphasis on prevention. Everyone in Cuba has a personal physician through this system. The health workers live in the communities they serve. They don't wait for a sick person to come see them. They follow up and make sure that newborns get their shots, seniors receive proper care, everyone gets regular checkups. Cuban doctors--2,500 of them--are also helping 50 Third World countries. Eighteen Cuban medical brigades are currently in Guatemala, where they have treated 200,000 people affected by Hurricane Mitch. The numbers of Cuban doctors working in Haiti--400--and of Haitian students enrolled in medicine school in Cuba--123--are both about to be doubled. The corporate media here say repeatedly that socialism has "failed" and that Cuba is repressive. But Tabitha Walrond and Tatiana Cheeks lost their babies and their freedom in New York, not Havana. It's the profit system that has failed by creating a glittering high-tech world that is completely out of reach for an ever-growing part of the population. - END - DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor
Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/13/99 7:53:29 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So if you're not a handsome stud, we should all disregard you? OK. Well, thankfully I am a handsome stud BUT then again so is Paglia...though she's not attractive in the female sense...anyway, no, that's not my point. My point is that Paglia speaks for Paglia, there's really no big "movement" behind her (I won't mention her posterior), she's a media creation, nothing more. She talks like a disinfranchised male...big deal One could hear this type of venom at any union hall...I guess my point is WHO CARES WHAT PAGLIA THINKS??? I don't Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Camille on Hillary
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/14/99 1:53:48 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am surprised a Hilliary Defender would make such homophobe remarks Am I a rabid Hillary defender Where did I earn this, could you cite posts??? And I like lesbians...IF they're the cute, Penthouse type... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [AFIB] Defend Anti-Klan Activists In Michigan!
| | ||| ||| ||| A N T I F A ||| ||| ||| ||| I N F O - B U L L E T I N ||| ||| _ ||| ||| ||| ||| * News * Analysis * Research * Action * ||| ||| ||| | | * ||/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\|/\||/\|| || * -- ALERT -- * -- July 13, 1999 -- * -- ALERT -- * || ||\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/|\/||\/|| U R G E N T A L E R T _ _ DEFEND ANTI-KLAN ACTIVISTS IN MICHIGAN! _ * * * * ANN ARBOR ANTIRACIST DEFENSE CAMPAIGN * c/o NWROC P.O. Box 1092 Penobscot Station Detroit, MI 48231 Tel: (313) 730-3577 Web: http://www.umich.edu/~nwroc - Friday, 9 July 1999 - - _ STOP THE WITCHHUNT, No. 7 _ NO EVIDENCE - NO CASE! PRODUCE THE FENCE OR DROP THE CHARGES! FIGHTING RACISM IS NOT A CRIME! * * * On July 16 the people of Ann Arbor will have an opportunity to put an end to the disgraceful political witchhunt launched by their city government one year ago against antiracists who protested the May 9, 1998 Ku Klux Klan rally. On Friday, July 16 at 12 Noon, there will be an antiracist picket at the courthouse in downtown Ann Arbor. At 1 PM, an evidentiary hearing for ten antiracist defendants will take place in Judge Ann Mattson's courtroom. In the wake of the acquittal of Ryan Lang (see below) the Ann Arbor city government's witchhunt against antiracists is beginning to fall apart. This hearing is an opportunity to deliver what would likely be a decisive blow to the more than a year old witchhunt. Getting the ten misdemeanor charges dismissed on the heels of the powerful victory against the felony "riot" charge in Ryan's case could well finish off these prosecutions altogether. All antiracists and all who care about civil liberties should attend. VICTORY! On Friday, June 4, just after 7 PM, an all-white six person jury found 16-year-old antiracist Ryan Lang not guilty of "Riot" and all other charges. The jury deliberated for less than an hour after the three-day trial. The jury refused to even convict Ryan of the frivolous lesser included misdemeanor "Disturbing the Peace." The verdict drew a burst of applause from the crowded courtroom gallery as it was read. One juror, immediately following the not guilty verdict said: "I can put it in a nutshell for you. They had no evidence - no evidence at all." In sharp contrast to the prosecution case (which made up for having what jurors called "no evidence at all" with an effort as relentless as it was ineffective to convict Ryan on the basis of guilt-by-association) the defense case was truthful and compelling. A long and diverse series of witnesses all testified to the central proposition of the defense: there was no riot on May 9, 1998. The ten defendants are some of the hundreds of antiracists who protested the Ku Klux Klan rally in Ann Arbor on May 9, 1998. They are accused of having damaged the chain link rental fence erected by the city government as part of its $137,000 project to protect and stage the KKK's rally. The charge is a misdemeanor called "Malicious Destruction of Property Under $100." Given that the only physical evidence in these cases - the chain link fence itself - was destroyed with the authorization of the police, the evidentiary hearing to determine whether and if so, when, how, where and by whom the fence was damaged should prove very difficult for the prosecution. Among the defendants are prominent antiracists and leaders of the movement to defend affirmative action and the Defend Affirmative Action Party at the University of Michigan. NO EVIDENCE - NO RECORD The police and prosecutor's office are claiming that the fence was damaged, but the police department never made any assessment of the condition of the
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Son of Sam!
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com If you are interested in a free subscription to The Konformist Newswire, please visit http://www.eGroups.com/list/konformist/ and sign up. Or, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject: "I NEED 2 KONFORM!!!" (Okay, you can use something else, but it's a kool catch phrase.) Visit the Klub Konformist at Yahoo!: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/klubkonformist From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.theeunderground.net/Features/features131sonofsam.shtml Son of Sam! Exposes his connection to Satanic Church of Sacrifice! Written by J. P. Essene Editor 11/15/97 David Berkowitz, aka Son of Sam, aka Son of Hope, was recently interviewed for several shows in the New York area. He claims on these shows, to now be a BORN AGAIN Christian! Hence the new moniker of Son of Hope... He also claims he was a member of the Process Church of Final Judgment, during his SATANIC SACRIFICE killing spree. Some say, that Charles Manson belonged to this group also. Some like Berkowitz or Son of Sam, claim it is a Satanic cult. BIZARRELY in these new documentaries, Berkowitz claims he didn't do many of the shootings attributed to him. In all, 13 are said to be victims of the .44 Caliber shooter, who became known as The Son of Sam. Many over the years have speculated, that police sketches from 20 years ago made from witnesses at Son of Sam (SOS) shootings, show that there were many shooters, as Berkowitz now claims! Berkowitz also claims that a SNUFF FILM exists of the last shooting, in which he claims to have been only a lookout! One of these new documentaries shown in the NYC area, also featured an inmate from another prison, who backups the claims of Berkowitz. He names a prominent art dealer as a MOVER in the Satanic Cult, that openly discussed the SNUFF Film of the last SOS victim with him personally! Her name was Stacy Moskowitz. Although some in the NYC police department believe Berkowitz had accomplices, the documentary tried to discredit most of his claims of a Satanic Cult connection. It seems to unnerve many Christians in the NYC area, that Berkowitz was only the TIP of the iceberg of a Satanic Cult that did the SOS shootings. They would rather believe Berkowitz was a lone nut case who targeted Long Hair Brunettes on Lovers Lanes in the 70's, than a member of a Satanic group still on the loose that enjoys to SACRIFICE to their GODS, as Berkowitz put it! The Church of Sacrifice that Berkowitz claimed ORDERED him to SACRIFICE or kill, has a website. www.process.org. The Church traces it's roots to the 60's and London. It's founder was a Robert Moore, who changed his name to Robert de Grimston. Mr. Moore had a heavy connection to L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology! His teachings, which are the foundation of the Process Church, explained that Christ, Jehovah, Lucifer and Satan were ONE Entity! It had chapters in California when MANSON was in his heyday. The Satanic Church of Sacrifice that Berkowitz claimed to be a member of, is known as mentioned, as the Process Church of Final Judgment, or simply The Process or The Process Chruch. Process members have visited Charlie while he was in Jail. Charlie, as you may know, claims to be Jesus. Some of the writings of the Process Church claim Jesus is LUCIFER! Perhaps, Charlie is Jesus incarnate I've written many articles about someone else in the news, that some feel is a DANGEROUS CULT leader. He says the New Testament is completely false. Or else, he says, Jesus did claim to be Lucifer by identifying himself in Revelations as THE MORNING STAR! See Rev 22:16. If you look up the definition of LUCIFER in any collegiate level lexicon, you see MORNING STAR is his aka! The DANGEROUS Cult leader to uninformed Christians, is named Sollog. I personally know Sollog, and he is not a DANGEROUS Cult leader. Some of the religious symbolism I note in this article, came from my talks with Sollog, about Manson and Son of Sam. Over the centuries, many heretics and Cults have said the same thing, in regards to Jesus being Lucifer! Some of the Oldest Christian writings known to exist, state that Jesus was the serpent in the Garden of Eden! You won't find these early Christian works in the standard New Testament, but they are found in many books about other Christian writings that the Church of Rome EXCLUDED from standard Christian Doctrine in the fourth century! You can find plenty examples of these works in Gnostic Books, The OTHER BIBLE and The Nag Hammadi Libaray! The Templars, who gave us the concept of our modern banking system, (checques were first used by them), were BURNT at the stake for saying the same thing in the early 14th Century. The first thing Sollog pointed out to me about the Manson and Son of Sam connection to Jesus and Satanism, is that MANSON is a play or anagram of SON of MAN, which is the ONLY thing Jesus calls himself in the
[CTRL] G.W.Bush-Foot firmly in mouth.
-Caveat Lector- chatterbox Mister Bush's Neighborhood By Timothy Noah Chatterbox is dumbfounded at the light media coverage of the news that George W. Bush sold his Dallas house in January 1995--after he was elected governor of Texas--with a covenant stipulating that it be occupied by "white persons only, not excluding bona fide servants of any race." The story, which Matt Drudge broke two days ago and which the Associated Press and CNN confirmed yesterday, is nowhere to be found in today's New York Times, Los Angeles Times, or Wall Street Journal. The Washington Post ran a brief item about it under the headline, "Bush Campaign Calls Whites-Only Covenant on House a Non-Issue," and the New York Post ran something dismissive in its Page Six gossip column. Judging from Nexis, the only major U.S. newspapers to run stand-alone articles about the Bush covenant today were the Boston Globe and the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. The Bush campaign yesterday released a one-line statement from the candidate on the matter: "There is no deed restriction because it is null and void under Texas law and has been since 1984." Actually, whatever law Texas passed in 1984 is beside the point, since, as Eve Gerber observes in Slate's "Explainer" column, racial covenants have been effectively null and void under federal law since 1948, when the Supreme Court made it illegal for courts to enforce them, and 1968, when Congress made it illegal for private individuals to honor existing racial covenants or to write up new ones. But that hasn't stopped politicians from catching hell when racial covenants on their houses have been unearthed during the past half-century. John F. Kennedy hit Richard Nixon with the issue during the 1960 presidential campaign. Later, it came out that JFK's house had a racial covenant, too; he hadn't known about it. Dianne Feinstein tagged Michael Huffington about a racial covenant on his house during her 1994 Senate race; Huffington then tagged her back, because she had a racial covenant on her house, too, which she hadn't known about. (In both instances, Chatterbox is taking the aggressor at his/her word because he can't imagine any candidate would be stupid enough to knowingly make an accusation so likely to boomerang.) Bush spokeswoman Mindy Tucker has been telling reporters that Bush, too, did not know of the covenant when he sold the house. It's possible she's telling the truth; if she is, this is a one-day story of little consequence. But some vaguely problematic additional facts have come out. According to CNN, Dawn Moore, an agent for the company that did the title search for the 1995 sale, says she sent Bush the deed restrictions with the closing papers. So, now we have to believe that Bush had the information but didn't read it. OK, that's still plausible; this was obviously a busy time for Bush, and nobody reads everything handed to them at a house closing. But this wasn't Bush's only transaction involving this house; he also bought it in 1988, at which time there would have been an earlier title search. Meanwhile, Bush spokeswoman Tucker has been saying that Bush's former neighborhood, Preston Hollow, was a place where (unenforceable) racial covenants were the norm. The Washington Post quotes Tucker saying, "All the houses in that neighborhood have it." Hmm. Does that mean nobody in Preston Hollow knew its houses had racial covenants? Or does that mean that Bush's neighbors did know about the covenants but never got around to telling Bush about them during the seven years he lived there? Bush's second line of defense on the covenant issue may turn out to be the remarks of his real-estate broker, Steve Collins, who told AP that to delete the offensive wording Bush would have had to collect signatures from 75 percent of Preston Hollow's residents and go through a costly and lengthy legal process. "Why would someone volunteer for that when they didn't need to?" Collins said. Well, you might want to do it if you were a major political figure and were rich enough to own a piece of the Texas Rangers. "You don't gain anything by doing it," Collins told AP. "They don't mean anything." But if they didn't mean anything, it wouldn't be difficult to get your neighbors to sign a petition doing away with them. Or would it? Perhaps Chatterbox is being a little unfair about the petition difficulty. Frank Michelman, an expert on restrictive covenants at Harvard Law School, told Chatterbox: "Think about your average Joe who is approached by somebody who says here's a little instrument I would like your signature on." Average Joe is going to ask himself whether this little instrument is going to affect his property value. In this case it clearly wouldn't, since the racial covenant has no legal force. (Indeed, Chatterbox thinks, it ought to help, since some people wouldn't want to buy a house knowing it had an unsavory racial covenant.) But still, Michelman argues, Average Joe would want to talk to his
Re: [CTRL] East Texas
-Caveat Lector- I hear there are plenty of small east Texas towns where black folk amble in only to ne'r be heard from again...especially if they stay after darkkinda creepy no??? Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] More gubbmint' intrusion...
-Caveat Lector- Why can't the republicans in Congress STOP sticking their upturned noses into the PRIVATE LIVES of the American people??? Exactly WHO wants "big government"? Not me, and it seems the "liberals" are of similar opinion...hmmm... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] PLOT TO ASSASSINATE GORE
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
=
==RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY
== http://www.rumormillnews.com
=
Dateline:07.15 .99
Subj: Plot to Assassinate Vice President Gore?
Date: 7/15/1999 2:52:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherman Skolnickone)
PLOT TO ASSASSINATE VICE PRESIDENT GORE?
by Sherman H. Skolnick,
Two or more airplanes were all headed reportedly for a crash with Air
Force Two carrying Vice President Albert Gore, Jr., as his plane flew over
the Chicago area The incident apparently occurred July 9, 1999, but was
kept embargoed, that is, delayed or suppressed, until an eleven paragraph
story ran in the Chicago Sun-Times, July 14, 1999. So far, others in the
mass media have steered clear of the story? Why?
Like the murder of President Kennedy, were the mass media either
informed in advance or ordered how, if at all, to run the story?
One of two major newspapers in Chicago, the Sun-Times is owned by
British tough-nose financier Conrad Black jointly with reportedly
mysterious Red Chinese and ethnic Chinese billionaires who have an
unpublicized armlock on the Chicago markets. Their fortunes based
reportedly on dope smuggling into the U.S. primarily through Chicago, of
high purity heroin called "China White", clandestine weapons deals, and
the harvesting of human body parts sold to U.S. hospitals. The body
parts, sold as casually as auto pieces, are from political prisoners in
mainland China arbitrarily condemned to death as the orders come in for
hearts, livers, kidneys, and such. [So as not to damage the human body
parts, the political prisoners are not shot but rather, beheaded.]
The illicit funds are a massive river of loot reportedly laundered on the
Chicago Board of Trade, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, and the
Chicago Board Options Exchange. Although an open secret, major
newspapers, such as the Sun-Times, and other financial papers like the
Wall Street Journal, publish virtually nothing about the Chinese and the
Chicago money laundries. The Chinese funds are disguised as soybeans
and foreign currency trading. Are the Chinese through the Sun-Times
story blackmailing Clinton into silence about nuclear secrets sold or given
to the Chinese?
Under a headline "Quirk of radar jars VP's plane", the Sun-Times had
details such as "Gore was in the government 747 traveling from Seattle
back to Washington when the pilot received urgent instructions from air
traffic controllers to make a jarring 60 degree turn to avoid a crash. Radar
showed a second plane 25 miles away--only a couple of minutes apart--at
the same 33,000-foot altitude and in conflict with the vice president's
aircraft. Air Force Two was traveling about 600 m.p.h."
According to other sources, the FAA and the Sun-Times are reportedly
concealing that yet a third plane likewise almost crashed into Gore's
plane.
Aviation sources familiar with air traffic control say they never heard
of a situation where two or more airplanes were all headed for a crash
with another plane. Foul play, they contend, should rightfully be
suspected when two OR MORE airplanes were all somehow steered into a
possible crash with the Vice President's plane.
Here are some other factors that assassination researchers would
consider:
1. Reportedly fronting for the Chinese in Chicago in the reputed
clandestine deals as well as blackmail and extortion, is Rahm Emanuel,
for many years Clinton White House Senior Advisor and now a
heavy-hitter with Wasserstein Perrella, Chicago unit of a New York
based financial services firm that reportedly handles deals for the Red
Chinese. Described as a campaign fund "fixer" and expert in blackmail,
Rahm Emanuel in recent statements seems cold to the idea of supporting
Gore as Presidential candidate in the 2000 election. {By the way, with
more expected dirty tricks like the apparent air crash scenario, there is no
guarantee that the 2000 election will be conducted just as usual.]
2. TheGore presidential campaign has, or is about to obtain, a reputed
picture clearly showing presidential hopeful George W. Bush, now Texas
governor and son of the elder Bush, snorting cocaine with Bill Clinton.
More and more people, of course, are becoming aware that Bill has been a
cocaine user whose nose is rodded out from the same. But it might come
as a campaign surprise, helpful to Gore, to show George W. with Clinton.
The picture, supplied by government agents, would open the whole
question of George Herbert Walker Bush and his sons, Jeb, Neal, and
George W., being involved with Clinton and others in dope smuggling
through the southern states including through the Mena, Arkansas airport
arranged by CIA. According to European publications, Jeb Bush, with his
Columbia-born wife, are reportedly implicated with known criminals in
Spain and elsewhere laundering dope
[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] Additional Comments on Gore from Skolnick
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj:[Fwd: Plot to Assassinate Vice President Gore?] Date: 7/15/1999 3:19:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherman Skolnickone) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLEASE NOTE: The first sending of this story (Plot to Assassinate Vice President Gore) on Wednesday, July 14, 1999, WAS APPARENTLY BLOCKED BY THE E-MAIL COMPUTER OF AMERITECH.NET. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? CENSORSHIP. Apparently, the Establishment did not want this discussed on the same day as the Chicago Sun-Times Story, 7/14/99. Also please note: Admiral Engen, expert on Air Traffic Control, former head of FAA, was murdered just after the apparent assassination attempt on Gore. The press fakers said his glider somehow fell apart in the air, killing him. Some believe he was among the small group of admirals and generals that have since 1995 sought to arrest their Commander-in-Chief Clinton for treason. If Clinton arrested them for mutiny, they intended, if they survived and were not assassinted, to defend themselves at Courts Martial charging HIM with documented treason which they had. We are about the only ones writing about these very brave flag officers, and about certain murder plots. Savvy historians compare the current dark period of American history with that of Caligula in Roman times. POST THIS STORY FAR AND WIDE FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD. Sherman H. Skolnick 7/15/99. --- ONElist Sponsor What is "FRIENDS FAMILY?" http://www.onelist.com It's a new program at ONElist. See homepage for details. RMNews, The Uncensored National Rumor
Re: [CTRL] Gubbmint intrusion...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/16/99 10:20:58 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amswer to your very shallow and stupid question: The U.S. Constitution protects "LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". The determination of whose LIFE is to be protected is very definitely one of the fundamental purposes of government in a civilized society. A society that delegates to individuals or collectives the privilege of deciding who is to live and who is to die is a barbaric society. My reply to your even less deep and far more inane "amswer" to my question... A fetus is NOT a citizen of these United States (repeat this 100 times, take a breath, and get a clue). I value the RIGHTS of a person far more than the "rights" of a mass of cells that resemble so much goop on a plate. Barbaric??? I think not. But to impose your silly, trivial, and irresponsible religious (superstitious) ideals on ANYONE else IS abusive... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS Jul 16
UNDERNEWS Sam Smith July 16, 1999 The Progressive Review 1739 Conn. Ave. NW Washington DC 20009 202-232-5544 Fax: 202-234-6222 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INDEX: http://prorev.com RECENT UNDERNEWS: http://prorev.com/indexa.htm TODAY'S HEADLINE NEWS: http://prorev.com/altnews.htm THE REVIEW FORUM: http://prorev.com/letters.com DONATIONS AND ORDER FORM: http://prorev.com/order3.htm UNSUBSCRIBE: Reply with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. For a free subscription to our e-mail updates send your postal address with zip code. Copyright 1999, The Progressive Review. Matter not independently copyrighted may be reprinted provided TPR is paid your normal reprint fees, if any, and is given proper credit. Because of its quantity, TPR's mail is not always answered, but it is always read. The editor is cheered or remorseful as appropriate and posts some of the more interesting messages at http://prorev.com/letters.htm -- WORD The Governor is now free to blow other candidates out of the political water well before the voters of this country even get their fair say. This may signal the end of the notion that money can't buy an election. -- Ellen Miller of Public Campaign on George Bush's rejection of federal matching funds. PUBLIC CAMPAIGN http://publicampaign.org TRENCHCOAT MEDIA A yo who shot Rudy in broad daylight for cash. I woke up this morning and heard the news flash They said it happened down at City Hall He had his wife with him Five shots from the crowd made him fall It was chaos and pandemonium Blood covered up the podium When they announced his death Wifey was stressed. -- Song by Screwball forthcoming on the Time-Warner-distributed Tommy Boy label. According to Insight, the song also mentions "blacks smiling ear to ear" and adds "the devil died and nobody cried." LOOK WHAT JAMES CARVILLE BROUGHT ME FROM ISRAEL Speaking of the pending arrival of Israel Prime Minister Ehud Barak, W.J. Clinton said that he was as "eager as a kid with a new toy." Asked an Israeli reporter of the President at a news conference, "What kind of game do you want to play with Mr. Barak?" Explained the Wizard of Is: "It's a slogan, you know, in the way, in American English it means, 'I am very excited about the prospect of the rejuvenation of the peace process," and that's all it means." As in: "That's a great new car you've got, Joe" "Thanks. I am very excited about the prospect of the rejuvenation of the peace process." Barak, incidentally, was advised during the campaign by James Carville who, among other things, told him that the election would come down to a question of who won the Jewish vote. PROBABLY LEARNED IT FROM THE PACIFICA BOARD MSNBC: Dont be surprised if you hear mostly nice things about Tom Cruise in connection with Eyes Wide Shut. At a recent junket promoting the movie, the stars publicist insisted that all reporters granted access to the star had to sign contracts that gave the publicist control over what the reporters could say about Cruise and when they could say it. Most startling, perhaps, was the contracts stipulation that the interview and the program will not show the artist in a negative or derogatory manner. WAR AGAINST PACIFICA What is happening to Pacifica broadcasting is unprecedented in American media history -- although not, of course, in dictatorships. Nothing gives the feel of the anti-democratic pathology of the Pacifica board than the audio of the forced removal of Dennis Bernstein. On July 13, KPFA host Bernstein was fired after broadcasting a press conference on the controversy surrounding Pacifica Radio. Guards, hired by Pacifica management, were ordered to remove Bernstein from the station. He refused to go. There is a recording of what ensued shortly afterwards in the control room while KPFA was broadcasting its evening news. KPFA news co-host/director Mark Mericle began explaining the situation to listeners -- as you will hear -- but Pacifica management pulled the plug. After a few minutes of silence the station began broadcasting archive tape. KPFA TAPE http://www.igc.org/MakingContact/ If the 50-year-old Pacifica tradition of independent broadcasting is destroyed by its board it will mean the end of America's major non-establishment radio voice. Not only will this effect Pacifica's own stations, but the three-score independent community radio stations around the country that rely on Pacifica's news and information feeds. THE MEDIA LOCK-DOWN One of the least reported -- for obvious reasons -- aspects of the Clinton regime has been in its massive subversion, seduction, and assault on the press. Media executives such as Mort Zuckerman, Rick Kaplan, and Tina Brown have been enticed or willingly signed up as press agents of the administration. Critical journalists have been subject to bad-mouthing, false accusations, and worse. At least eight
[CTRL] Fwd: (en) RENT IS STILL THEFT
A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E
http://www.ainfos.ca/
By The Leveler Editorial Collective
As of January 1, 1999 the law of the State of California mandates
"Vacancy Decontrol" for apartment rents. The State Supreme Court, almost
simultaneously, ruled that Rent Control is not a taking of private
property "rights' written into the Constitution by the Aristocratic
landlords who authored it. At the same time, people earning less than
$25,000 after California State deductions have had a renters tax credit
restored to them by the State for the tax year ending December 31, 1998.
What does all this mean? For renters, "Vacancy Decontrol" means that
landlords can raise the rent on an apartment as much as they like when a
tenant moves out. In Los Angeles County, rent control amounts to a 4%
per year limit on increases in rent or 8% per year when utilities are
included in the rent. For those who toil at or near the minimum wage,
the fact that rents have been fairly stable since the 1994 Northridge
earthquake has been meaningless because they are still over 50% of a
persons income! The practical result of this is that families are forced
to "underconsume" housing. In other words, they live in overcrowded
conditions because high rents force them to live in a smaller apartment
than they need for their family. Families of 4 persons typically live in
one-bedroom apartments, for example. In suburban cities with housing
policies which only fund low income housing projects for elderly persons,
the problems are even worse. The 1990 U.S. Census identified large areas
of Los Angeles with "overcrowded" or "severely overcrowded" rental
housing. "Overcrowded" means one or more persons per room, not including
bathrooms and hallways. A one bedroom apartment (Bedroom, Kitchen,
Living Room, Dining Area) with 4 people living in it is considered
"overcrowded." One and a half persons per room (6 persons living in a
one bedroom) is considered "severely overcrowded." In the inner city
where large areas are severely overcrowded, the result has been a
markedly diminished quality of life for the poor. The most obvious
example is severe shortages of classroom space in public schools and
bussing which sends high school and middle school students on daily 1-2
hour trips to schools in the San Fernando Valley!
Rent control has not kept greedy landlords from charging more than most
Working Class people can afford. If it had, there would have been a
chorus of Rich landlords petitioning City hall for legal license to
charge more rent. Instead, the challenges have been court challenges in
yuppie enclaves like Santa Monica and West Hollywood where more renters
are Middle Class and have more "leisure" time to fight City Hall for rent
control. Neo-Liberal capitalist economists argue that not letting a
landlord charge what they like (the so-called "market" price) is a
"subsidy" because tenants should have to pay the highest price possible
before enough of them are forced to move to a smaller and cheaper
apartment ("underconsume" housing) to make it hard for landlords to find
tenants willing to pay the rents they charge and they end up with a lot
of vacant apartments. But, just what do they claim is being
"subsidized?" Of the money paid in rent, only a fraction goes to the
upkeep of the building where you live. A significant portion of rent in
newer buildings goes to pay a mortgage (money borrowed by the landlord to
buy or build the apartment building). Usually, over 50% of that is
usury: Interest or "rent" on the money borrowed from the bank. The bank
gets that money for doing nothing! On top of that, a significant amount
of the rent goes to pay property taxes and some is taken as "income tax"
from the landlord. While renters are paying the landlord's taxes, the
landlord has the interest on their mortgages subsidized by government
income tax write-offs which only benefit Middle to Upper Class property
owners. This is because you have to have a Middle Class income to even
qualify for a home loan. For home "buyers," this means they pay rent on
the money they borrowed for the home for at least the first10 years of
the mortgage when over half their payment is interest or rent. The
exception to this is landlords. The tenant pays their mortgage rent and
gets nothing! (It is important to note here that the $68 per year tax
write-off for low income renters is insignificant next to the mortgage
subsidy provided to property owners)
If we were to assume that the real cost of living in housing were that a
person must fix the home when it breaks and keep it in a healthful
condition, and that, if property and income taxes only paid for services
like fire protection and utilities instead of subsidizing the rich the
way they do now, then the true cost of shelter would only be a fraction
of current rents. Under
[CTRL] Transcript of racial killer B.Smith supporting hateboy Matt Hale.
-Caveat Lector- The following is the transcript of Benji Smith's testomony @ an Illinois Judicial Panel hearing in support of Matt Hale recieving a law license...note Smith's statement that a "peaceful, legal" method is the only way to "save the white race" Bill. (Courtesy www.thesmokinggun.com.) [Unable to display image] [Unable to display image] [Unable to display image] [Unable to display image] [Unable to display image] [Unable to display image] [Unable to display image] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Forbes Flees Radical Party.
-Caveat Lector- -- -- Forbes confirms switch to Democratic Party Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press By SHANNON McCAFFREY QUOGUE, N.Y. (July 17, 1999 2:46 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Rep. Michael Forbes, a New Yorker with a strong independent streak, said Saturday that he is bolting a Republican Party that has become "a captive of extremists" so he can join a more open Democratic Party. "The Republican Party over the last 4-1/2 years has been defined through the actions of its extremists in the House of Representatives," Forbes said in announcing his decision at a news conference at his Long Island, N.Y., home. "It has become an angry, narrow-minded, intolerant and uncaring majority, incapable of governing at all, much less from the center, and tone-deaf to the concerns of a vast majority of Americans." Forbes said he talked over his decision in a personal, private meeting and also met with House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. An aide said Hastert tried to persuade Forbes to stay in the GOP. In Washington, President Clinton welcomed the new Democrat. "Michael Forbes has changed parties because he believes it is best for his constituents, for the people of New York and for our country," Clinton said in a statement. "He is joining a party that welcomes independent thinking and the courage to change." A switch would provide a huge psychological boost for Democrats, who need to gain only a half-dozen seats in next year's elections to be assured of winning control of the House. Forbes, 47, defeated a Democrat in 1994 to win his seat, one of more than 70 GOP first-termers who helped usher in a Republican majority in the House for the first time in 40 years. He was rewarded with a prized seat on the Appropriations Committee, a panel with enormous influence over federal spending. Forbes supported the Contract With America in 1995, and has carved out a generally conservative voting record, opposing abortion and voting in 1996 to repeal the ban on certain semiautomatic assault-style weapons. Last year, he voted in favor of all four impeachment charges brought against President Clinton. At the same time, he has sided with environmentalists on some issues, and voted to raise the minimum wage in 1996. He infuriated the GOP leadership in 1997 when he refused to vote for former Rep. Newt Gingrich's re-election as speaker, citing concerns over a just-completed ethics investigation. His defection on that vote was followed by a snub from party regulars, who promptly disinvited him from a dinner honoring outgoing Republican National Committee chairman Haley Barbour. In late 1998, though, Forbes' stock in the House GOP moved up sharply, the result of his close ties to Rep. Bob Livingston, the Louisiana Republican who was briefly in line to succeed Gingrich as speaker. Forbes' standing plummeted overnight when Livingston renounced the speakership after admitting to past extra-marital affairs. He would be the first congressional Republican to switch to the Democrats since the GOP gained a majority in both the House and Senate six years ago. Republicans hold 223 seats in the House; Democrats have 210. There is one independent and one vacancy following the death on Thursday of California Democratic Rep. George Brown. Five House Democrats switched to the GOP in 1995, and two Democratic senators have done likewise in the last few years. Forbes is the second Republican to leave his party in less than a week. On Wednesday, Sen. Bob Smith, R-N.H., running at the back of the pack in the race for the GOP presidential nomination, became an independent. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: UNDERNEWS Jul 19
UNDERNEWS Sam Smith July 19, 1999 The Progressive Review 1739 Conn. Ave. NW Washington DC 20009 202-232-5544 Fax: 202-234-6222 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INDEX: http://prorev.com RECENT UNDERNEWS: http://prorev.com/indexa.htm TODAY'S HEADLINE NEWS: http://prorev.com/altnews.htm THE REVIEW FORUM: http://prorev.com/letters.com DONATIONS AND ORDER FORM: http://prorev.com/order3.htm UNSUBSCRIBE: Reply with 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. For a free subscription to our e-mail updates send your postal address with zip code. Copyright 1999, The Progressive Review. Matter not independently copyrighted may be reprinted provided TPR is paid your normal reprint fees, if any, and is given proper credit. Because of its quantity, TPR's mail is not always answered, but it is always read. The editor is cheered or remorseful as appropriate and posts some of the more interesting messages at http://prorev.com/letters.htm -- OUR LADY OF PERPETUAL PLATITUDES The grotesque over-coverage of the Kennedy-Bissett deaths is further evidence of the degree to which the media has replaced the church in America. It picks our gods, tells us for whom and how to mourn, defines our rites of passage, hears confessions, grants absolution, prescribes our creed, and asks for money before the sermon. Unfortunately, it is ill-fitted for any of these tasks. A few minutes of the bland grieving for the bland on MSNBC or Fox News is enough to start one yearning for the Council of Trent. The media at such times becomes an intrusive, leering, necrophiliac at the wake. Since the contemporary media believes that history extends no further back than the last ratings sweep, such hyperbolic assessments serve mainly as a form of self-justification for shocked commentators who have shared the elite lifestyle of the diseased and who, for one brief moment, realize that they too might die We learn nothing at such moments about Joe Kennedy Sr.'s connections to the mob, nor that if Jack Kennedy had lived to complete his term he might, at best, matched the record of a Carter or a Ford, or that John Kennedy Jr. was putting out a magazine of minimal import and maximum deficit, whose owner was thinking of closing it down. None of this would have been necessary to mention had the media handled the story with integrity -- as a simple tragedy involving some well-known and attractive people. But it chose instead to instruct us once more as to who our heroes are and what our values should be -- something that even at a more appropriate moments it is woefully unqualified to do. The Kennedy family spent the weekend in silence and solitude -- attending two private masses. It is becoming harder to remember but this is what real people used to do at a time like this. SIGHTINGS BUMPER STICKER: Save America. Close Yale Law School FBI SPIED ON GEORGE CARLIN Add George Carlin to the list of Americans upon whom the FBI spied. Carlin made it into the files, according to government documents obtained by APB News, because of a 1969 spoof on the agency and J. Edgar Hoover. Included in the file are several letters to Jackie Gleason complaining about Carlin's appearance on his show and calling him "an alleged comedian" and "a third-rate hanger-on." In other rooting about, APB News finds that the National Enquirer, a tabloid that prides itself on printing what others will not, in 1976 withheld publication of a photograph -- subject unknown -- at the behest of the CIA. The memo from Thuermer to then-CIA Director William Colby was primarily about the agency's relationship with Generoso Pope Jr., the former publisher of the Enquirer who died in 1989. It confirmed that Pope was a former CIA employee but not a "distinguished" one. It says he served with the agency in 1951 but left "for personal reasons." APB NEWS http://www.apbonline.com TALKING ABOUT TALK [Even before Talk Magazine could hit the streets, a web site is up lampooning Tina Brown's new toy.] "Talk is a small child staring out a big window, looking at a dog, or a plane, or a poster supporting the campaign of Hillary Clinton for U.S. Senate. Talk is F. Scott Fitzgerald, Bjork, funny black people, stoic Filipinos and daring Asians. Talk is astronauts and Kremlinologists, people who read the New York Times Book Review but don't actually read books, and Helena Bonham Carter. Talk is a foreigner, often a mysterious foreigner, who kills for pleasure. Talk is gay people, and lesbians. Talk is civilians who've slept with celebrities. Talk is celebrities who have died. Talk is celebrities who are more interesting than other celebrities who have died. Talk is celebrities who have died but still sleep with other celebrities, some of whom of have died, others of whom have yet to die, and still others of whom will never, ever die...ever." TALK ABOUT TALK http://www.talkmagazine.net ECO NOTES ENVIRONMENT NEWS SERVICE: Construction of a completely
[CTRL] Jesse Helms, AmeriKKKa's fool...
-Caveat Lector- Gratis the MOTHER JONES newswire, and since I'm awaitin my "grain" shipment Jesse Helms' Political Voodoo The senator from North Carolina finds a way to attack Planned Parenthood while hiding his well-known penchant for pro-life politics. by Mat Honan March 23, 1999 Senator Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) got his panties in a wad yet again last week. It seems that the good senator was incensed to discover that the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) is funding what Helms strongly suspects to be voodoo in Haiti. Since we have our own voodoo connection of sorts, the MoJo Wire decided to take a closer look at his suspicions. Helms' alarm bells apparently started going off when, while perusing the 1996 International Planned Parenthood Foundation annual report, he read about "a campaign to reach voodoo followers with sexual and reproductive health information ... by performing short song-prayers about STDs and the benefits of family planning during voodoo ceremonies." As would any conscientious senator (especially one who uses prayer breakfasts with Jerry Falwell as political fundraisers), Helms fired off a letter to Secretary of State Madeline Albright, demanding that the funding be stopped. In doing so he made it clear that he is hiding his well-known penchant for pro-life politics behind a wall of voodoo (italics ours): "On February 3, the [USAID] wrote to the Committee requesting permission to proceed withy [sic] the obligation of funds for population control programs ... It is no secret that these programs are far too often wrongheaded and wasteful. Nevertheless, if the Administration insists on funding these programs I shall not stand in the way, so long as you agree to the following conditions: 1) that no funds be obligated to any affiliate of the International Planned Parenthood Foundation (IPPF) in Haiti, including PROFAMIL; and 2) that no funds be provided directly or indirectly to any group whose programs include producing material intended to be used in a voodoo ceremony ... A.I.D. is funding programs that endorse or legitimize what amounts to witchcraft." The Miami Herald broke the story on March 15, and reaction from the White House was swift, unequivocal, and veiled in laughter. White House spokesman James Rubin admitted that while, yes, we are funding voodoo, we weren't really funding voodoo. "[USAID] has sponsored in Haiti an International Planned Parenthood Foundation program ... to utilize traditional Haitian health practitioners for distributing information on family planning," Rubin said. "Traditional practitioners are the first point of contact for many Haitians seeking health care ... While some traditional practitioners may have participated in voodoo ceremonies, USAID funding has not been used to support those practices ... USAID no longer funds the IPPF local affiliate in Haiti ... So the point is that we are not using our funds to promote voodoo." The issue, clearly, isn't really voodoo. It's condoms. USAID has been bankrolling Haitian voodoo for years without incident. In 1995 Rick Barton, director of USAID's Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI), stated, "We have 13 teams covering 16 areas of [Haiti] ... These teams have the decision-making authority to spend up to $5,000 on any project ... Many are extragovernmental, anything from a voodoo event to more traditional groups." Yet Helms took no issue with either Barton or the OTI back then. Instead, he waited until one of his pet political peeves was at issue, and then went after the IPPF. He succeeded, garnering a handful of "U.S. Funds Witchcraft" headlines and an end to funding for the IPPF in Haiti. Sources within the State Department, who asked not to be identified, told the MoJo Wire that funding for the IPPF in Haiti was discontinued, partially but not wholly, due to Helms' concerns. However, USAID claims that the eliminated funding was simply part of a larger family-planning program that had already run its course. Meanwhile, Haiti continues to be crushed by an exploding population and rocked by an AIDS epidemic, which the IPPF was also working to combat. Perhaps not coincidentally, Helms is perpetually looking to freeze or reduce AIDS funding, stating that "the ultimate origin of all AIDS-tainted blood has been homosexual contact." Helms historically has blamed AIDS victims for engaging in "deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct." Helms has never exactly been a friend to Haiti, either. In 1995, he said, "As far as this senator is concerned, the administration's free-spending Caribbean vacation in Haiti is over. It's time for the President and his advisors to stop playing beach-blanket-bingo with Aristide and get to work protecting America's real interests abroad." (Such as promoting big tobacco in Asia, perhaps?) In the words of Timothy Wirth, former U.S. undersecretary of state for global affairs, "More people in Haiti want family planning than any place else in the world."
Re: [CTRL] O.J. ???
-Caveat Lector- Barley, You must be very bright...probably as smart as Kato is dim.. Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] O.J. ???
-Caveat Lector- Well thank you Barley, but YOU'RE too kind!!! Keep punching!!! You're good...and FUN to read too!!! Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] O.J. ???
-Caveat Lector- Hey Colleen- Methinks you're being too rough on Barley, ya' know ya' don't have to be a racist to think that OJ done it, I KNOW 'cause I'm no racist (doubt seriously if Barley is either) but, well, she has a point Probably from Chicago or sumthin'...you know...those nutty easterners... Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] O.J. ???
-Caveat Lector- Barley, Thanks for the uber-sweet compliment!!! Not sure I deserve that, but I'll take it! So, not Chicago...h, Boston?? New York??? I'm certain you're a crazy easterner...oh well, I'll figure it out. Oh, and Barley, don't mind Colleen, probably one too many wine coolers, ya know??? Peace, Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] O.J. ???
-Caveat Lector- You digress way too much pal! Try a segue or something... Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bo Gritz in Las Vegas Sun
-Caveat Lector- April 02, 1999 Y2K fears provide new grist for Gritz Christian Patriot leader warns of chaos as 2000 nears By Martin Kuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] LAS VEGAS SUN Random experiences will steel a man against the uncertainty of the millennium's end. Sucking milk out of a dead goat, for instance. Drinking cow's blood. Seasoning a hunk of animal flesh by dipping it in urine. Just ask Bo Gritz. After surviving the jungles of Vietnam and its assorted delicacies, the retired Army Green Beret can only smile about the anxiety fanned by the Millennium Bug. How could a possibly chaotic start to the 21st century compare to suckling on a goat's teat? "I know something about adversity," the 60-year-old Gritz said, releasing a raspy chuckle. "I like camping out, I've got my German shepherd and my Harley-Davidson, so I'm not looking to have any problems myself." But the Vietnam War hero, onetime presidential candidate and leader of the right-wing Christian Patriot movement is savvy enough to realize plenty of others lack his Year 2000 confidence -- not to mention his gun collection. So Gritz, never one to run from publicity or an unorthodox business opportunity, has found a way to cash in on the Year 2000 Bug. Y2K, as it's more commonly known, refers to the much-discussed computer glitch that has doomsayers penciling in the apocalypse for Jan. 1. In recent weeks, Gritz, who lives in Sandy Valley about 45 miles southwest of Las Vegas, has hopped on the convention circuit to preach Y2K readiness. He attends "preparedness" expos and gun shows across the country, from Tulsa to Philadelphia, urging audiences to hunker down in anticipation of martial law and the advent of a New World Order. At the heart of what the certified Scoutmaster tells his listeners is an amended version of the Boy Scout motto: Be prepared -- and be armed. "If Americans could be as prepared as a Green Beret, they wouldn't be so damn paranoid or so confused or worried about the future and what's happening with Y2K," Gritz said. His convention appearances mark the latest jab into the public eye for the irrepressible Gritz (rhymes with "rights"), who has kept a low profile -- for him, anyway -- since Sept. 20. On that day six months ago, Gritz, distraught that his wife of 24 years, Claudia, had recently requested a divorce, shot himself in the chest with a Colt .45. The bullet ricocheted out his left armpit, leaving him injured but very much alive. Skeptics speculated about Gritz's true intentions -- this is, after all, the soldier credited with killing an estimated 400 Viet Cong, someone who's presumably better than most at taking a human life. That the incident occurred along an Idaho highway -- where it was inevitable that someone would find his bleeding body -- deepened doubts about whether Gritz wanted to die or just needed a hug. Or to make fresh headlines. Relaxing in the living room of his 4,000-square-foot ranch-style home in Sandy Valley, Gritz doesn't necessarily deny harboring a life wish. He instead agreed with the eldest of his four children, Jim, 41, who has said that his father's actions were an extreme display of heartbreak. "I don't know how a bullet can go in and strike my chest and go out my armpit, but it did," Gritz said, his words coated in a slight Oklahoma twang. "So, I get a second chance." Gritz certainly looks no worse from his brush with self-ventilation, appearing more fit than men half his age. A healthy thatch of silver hair sits atop a meat-and-potatoes face. Below Popeye forearms he wears a POW bracelet on his right wrist and a watch the size of a waffle iron on his left. His massive hands idly wield a jackknife with a 5-inch serrated blade. Given Gritz's wartime and post-Vietnam exploits, Y2K preparedness sounds like an unusually tame pursuit. But then so would parachuting into Kosovo. Consider his testosterone-splattered resume: Earned 62 decorations for valor during a 22-year military career, retiring in 1979 with a rank of lieutenant colonel. The memoirs of Gen. William Westmoreland detailed Gritz's heroism in a chapter titled "The American Soldier." Led several POW rescue missions into Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand during the early 1980s. None of Gritz's forays turned up U.S. soldiers, although his efforts partly inspired Sylvester Stallone's "Rambo" movies. In 1989 a U.S. District Court judge acquitted Gritz of passport violations related to the missions. Negotiated a peaceful end to the siege at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992, convincing white separatist Randy Weaver to surrender to federal authorities. Gritz had less success in a similar role three years ago when authorities squared off against the so-called Freemen in Jordan, Mont. Was arrested in September 1996 for allegedly trying to kidnap two brothers on behalf of a Connecticut mother who was seeking to regain custody of them in her divorce case. Police also arrested Jim Gritz, and father and son are scheduled to appear
[CTRL] Bo Gritz...FRAUD
-Caveat Lector- "Bo" Gritz: A Legend in His Own Mind Summary. Through all the mythology and fakery that surrounds the MIA issue there are a few individuals who play major roles in originating or maintaining the nonsense. Billy Hendon, Senator Bob Smith, and retired Army Major Mark Smith are among the chief myth-makers. Right up there with them is retired Army lieutenant colonel James G. "Bo" Gritz (rhymes with "bites"). This article will lay out the details of Gritz's MIA capers. The article also has a link to another article that describes the source of Gritz's many awards for his service in Vietnam. This is a sad and twisted tale so let's get with it. Some Preliminary Items Not a Colonel First, let's answer the question of Gritz's rank. He bills himself and he is introduced as "Colonel." Gritz retired from the Army as a lieutenant colonel. He was never promoted to colonel (O6). Now, I know that a lieutenant colonel is referred to as "colonel" -- that's why a Pentagon term for lieutenant colonels is "telephone colonels." When you talk to a guy over the phone, you don't know if he is a half-colonel or a full colonel. There is a difference. James Gritz retired from the Army in 1978 after 22 years of service with the rank of lieutenant colonel. Why Is He So Well-Known Gritz's notoriety comes from four sources: His wartime exploits. Or, more accurately, his telling of his wartime exploits. His "POW rescue operations": Velvet Hammer Grand Eagle, also called BOHICA (Bend Over, Here It Comes Again) Lazarus Lazarus Omega Operation Brokenwing His visit to drug warlord Kuhn Sa. His involvement in right-wing lunatic fringe politics. This article will address each of these items with most attention paid to the "POW rescue operations." What Did You Do In the War, Bo? The Medals Question Gritz's wartime exploits are near-legendary. He wears a chest full of medals. If you visit his web site (named, what else, www.bogritz.com), you will be treated to a photograph of Bo in uniform with medals dangling all over him. One would think -- and everything that Bo does encourages this belief -- that he is the most decorated soldier to come out of Vietnam. In fact, it appears that Bo may not have earned all the awards that he received. There is strong evidence that he worked the rather loosely-administered awards and decorations system to award himself most of the medals he wears. For the details of this matter, read this article: ". . . medals rained from the heavens." Recovering the Black Box One of the exploits for which Gritz is most often cited is his recovery of the black box. In 1966, while assigned to the 5th Special Forces Group, Bo led a team into Cambodia to recover a piece of sensitive material -- a "black box" -- from a crashed U-2. Gritz claims that he found the crash site but the black box was missing. He claims that the followed sandal tracks to a PAVN camp, assaulted the camp, and recovered the black box. Other members of the team say that they found the box at the crash site, picked it up and came out. No firefight. No sandal tracks. Bo's version of the story appears in General William Westmoreland's book on Vietnam, A Soldier Reports. Problem is, the book was ghost written for Westmoreland and the author stated in an interview that the version of the story in Westmoreland's book was told to him by -- you guessed it -- Gritz himself. The Mission He Never Was On Bo's fabrications caught up with him after the war. I do not recall the names but there is an incident that is well-known in the Special Forces community involving a sergeant team leader and his team. They were inserted into PAVN-controlled territory and soon found themselves surrounded, in a fight for their lives. The team leader directed his team to evacuate while he stayed behind to cover their withdrawal. He was killed covering them. Some time after the end of the war, Gritz began to tell the story with himself in it. Some of the members of the mission learned of Bo's fabrication and called his hand. I am not certain of all the details but he was tossed out of the Special Forces Association and has not been allowed back in. (Note: As of December 31, 1998, I am attempting to retrieve my files on this caper. As soon as I have the files, I will modify this article to include details of this affair.) The Environment Before attempting to explain Bo's "POW rescue operations," we need to examine some of the environment in which the "operations" took place. Before reading any further, please read these articles: Wick Tourison's article on fraudulent reporting; Wick's article on the dog tag reports; My article on the live sightings; and, My article on the phony pictures. Phony Reporting What you will learn from these articles is that there is a vast cottage industry in MIA "information", centered mainly around the refugee camps in Thailand that, for years, housed Vietnamese, Laotian, and
[CTRL] Southern Gentleman? Hmmmm....
-Caveat Lector- At 10:29 this morning, Colleen Jones wrote, in regards to me I take it all back, Sir..you are not a gentleman.Emael is, and I imagine a real Southern Gentleman.. Well, I don't want to burst anyones bubble, well maybe kinda, but this Southern Gentleman wrote me privately the following... Date: 4/3/99 1:32:42 PM Central Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (E Mael) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: You digress way too much pal! Try a segue or something... Bill if i want anything out of you i will have your pipes snaked. you will know that i have because the brown film that has been obscuring your mind will be gone. furthermore i would suggest that unless you have something relevent to contribute, that you quit choking up the list with your opinion. you know the saying "...opinions are like assholes ... but i digress. if my style bothers you that much, let me know and i will do everything in my powers to change for you and although even that may not be to your satisfaction either; i suggest that you drop it and count yourself as being ahead (or a tail as the case may be. itchin for it an' bitchin about it yours truely the master, el blanco So, is that how they breed 'em down there??? Thought so!!! Real class act!! But I digress Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: The Myth and Milosevic
-Caveat Lector- From The Nation- Whoever does not fight at Kosovo... May nothing bear fruit that his hand sows. --Serb epic Contrary to US expectations, a Kosovo peace agreement isn't going to be signed after a few weeks of bombing, and maybe not ever. To understand why Slobodan Milosevic decided to fight NATO instead of conceding, one must understand the contemporary role in politics played by the 1389 Battle of Kosovo. Milosevic is re-enacting the Serbian central myth of the leader who lost the medieval battle against superior Turkish forces and became a martyred nationalist hero. He is trying to keep his power by casting himself as the reincarnated defender and shifting the public's anger over the possible loss of Kosovo from himself to the evil West. There are many forces in his once small political base prompting Milosevic's defiance. Their continued support for the president is critical to him now, but they are too peripheral to gain power were he to be ousted. One group pressuring him is the ultranationalist Radical Party, which won only sixteen seats in the federal Parliament. Vojislav Seselj, its leader, might have pulled his party out of the ruling coalition and weakened the government if Milosevic had agreed to NATO troops. He could have painted his president as a traitor to Serbian interests. Seselj's popularity grew while he urged a war with NATO and delegates at the Rambouillet peace talks considered caving in to the West. To undercut his rival, Milosevic had to adopt Seselj's positions. Another factor is the nationalist military officers Milosevic appointed after firing the military brass who tried to restrain his actions in Kosovo this past fall. These new officers seemed to be implicitly threatening a coup when, according to the European press, they told him that allowing NATO troops into Kosovo would be the beginning of the end of his power. Gen. Nebojsa Pavkovic said the current military leadership believes that sacred Kosovo must be defended at all costs. Gen. Dragoljub Ojdanic, the supreme commander, speaking in the language of the myth, told his soldiers to "prepare for martyrdom." Belgrade political analysts say the Yugoslav president fears the public, which holds the Kosovo myth at the heart of its identity. He worries about being killed by an angry mob, like Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu. To guard against that fate, he silences every critic who could stir up riots or electoral opposition. He purged not only the military but the universities. Death threats against students continue. There is an escalated closing of independent media and jailing of journalists. Serbian journalists expect him to follow Seselj's urging and crack down on the judiciary and the anti-Milosevic government in the Yugoslav republic of Montenegro. His self-protective propaganda campaign plays on the Serbs' sense of themselves as a persecuted people, which goes back to the fourteenth-century Turkish occupation and runs so deep that some Christians wear a Jewish star to identify with another historical victim. In recent broadcasts, World War II movies were run as a reminder of what the Germans did to Serbs, and claims were made that Madeleine Albright hates all Serbs and that the Kosovo Liberation Army had planted plastic dolls to fake a report about Serbs killing children. State TV endlessly repeats the Serbs' mythic claim to Kosovo, despite the fact that until 1989 it had been legally theirs for only about sixty of the past 600 years. There is no check on Milosevic's propaganda or policies from the democratic opposition. It has become weak, discredited by its petty power struggles and the co-optation of its most charismatic figure, Vuk Draskovic, into Milosevic's government. It is cowed by repression that has created such fear that many are focused only on individual survival. One dissident said, "I am not afraid of the war but of what comes after it. There will be no chance for democracy in Serbia." Many in the opposition and general public who detest Milosevic aren't opposed to fighting NATO in Kosovo. The main public opposition to that battle comes from mothers demonstrating against their sons' military mobilization. Some reservists, like some 200 in Leskovac, are staging protest rallies outside military barracks, and many draft resisters are going into hiding. They see through Milosevic's strategy and believe that he has already sold out Kosovo but is forcing soldiers to die so he can survive his eventual surrender of the province. Except with the conscripts and their families, Milosevic's decision to re-enact a version of the medieval battle has strengthened him. Earlier this year his approval ratings were only about 20 percent, because he has devastated the economy and lost three wars, but by early March a poll showed 37 percent of the Serbs willing to defend Kosovo with force, with more uniting behind him. Even members of the opposition are entranced by the myth of the Serbian
[CTRL] What is this??
-Caveat Lector- For it looks to me, as if the old ones of Ireland following the rising of the full moon.for all you astrology lovers out there, and to Mr. Shannon...I do not drink, just because I am Irish.doesnot necessarily mean that I drink.there was a day so I used to sit with the boys (not the girls mind you) but the boys, and match them drink for drink... Colleen, Why did you single ME out in this post? And what exactly are you trying to say? I guess you lost me! You know us dumb brunettes... Bill DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Elian Seized From Relatives' Home
And it's about time! Cudos to the government for finally taking action and for not allowing the Miami relatives to dictate terms... The "raid" was well-executed and very compelling... Now we see the true colors of the supposedly "peaceful and law-abiding" Miami Cubans...riots in the streets...what a mess! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Mayor Carollo-Dim Bulb, Unfit For Job.
Elian seized in pre-dawn raid on Miami home United Press International - April 22, 2000 07:07 MIAMI, April 22 (UPI) -- Armed U.S. Immigration agents Saturday seized 6-year-old Cuban refugee Elian Gonzalez from the home of his Miami relatives where he has been staying. The raid by about 20 agents in two white vans took place at 5:15 a.m. while the federal government was negotiating with the family's attorneys. Agents broke down the door and there were reports of the use of pepper spray or tear gas. A female agent surrounded by male officers ran out of the house with Elian in her arms. The boy was placed in the White van and driven to nearby Watson Island where a helicopter was waiting. He was flown to Homestead Air Reserve Base and put on a jet which flew him to Atlanta. He will be later flown to the Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland where he will be reunited with his father. One woman who said she was inside the house said federal agents carried rifles, shot teargas inside the house and asked people to lie on the floor at gunpoint. Another witness said the agents shouted "bingo, bingo" when they located the boy in a closet. Television pictures showed agents pushed a woman to the ground outside the front door of the Gonzales home just as other agents emerged with the boy. An angry crowd lingered around the Gonzalez home after the boy was taken, occasionally throwing rocks, chairs or other objects. Family attorney Kendall Coffey was obviously angry that the raid took place while negotiations were taking place, but declined to make any comment until later. Miami Mayor Joe Carollo said he was outraged by the raid over the Easter weekend.. "These are atheists. They don't believe in God," he said. "There was no need to do this like this. These are hard-working men and women. I had no information at all that this was going to happen." Ramon Saul Sanchez, head of the anti-Castro Democracia Movement, called for a work stoppage but cautioned against violence. He said he was outraged that the raid took place on Easter weekend. Elian was taken away from the Miami home after hectic negotiations through Friday night failed to work out a cooperative transfer to his father. Elian Gonzalez has been the cause of a bitter custody battle between the United States and Cuba since he was rescued while he was clinging to an inner tube following a trip from Cuba that took the lives of 11 others, including his mother. He was placed in the care of the family of his great uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez, who with the support of Miami's Cuban-American community tried to keep him in this country rather than send him back to his father in Cuba. His father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez, wanted him back and the federal government backed him. He came to Washington more than two weeks ago and is being reunited with the boy Saturday. The family has appealed a court ruling allowing his return to his father, and oral arguments are set for the week of May 8. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Report-Feds DIDN'T Fire At Davidiots!
Report: Federal agents didn't fire at Branch Davidians April 22, 2000 Web posted at: 4:54 AM EDT (0854 GMT) ST. LOUIS (AP) -- Federal agents did not fire at Branch Davidians in the 1993 siege that ended in a deadly blaze at the group's compound in Waco, Texas, according to a preliminary report from last month's simulation of the confrontation. Vector Data Systems, the British firm that conducted the simulation, provided the written report to U.S. District Judge Walter S. Smith Jr. earlier this month. The test was performed March 19 in Fort Hood, Texas. Vector found that flashes produced by sunlight reflecting off debris were considerably longer in duration than flashes produced by gunfire, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported today, citing informed sources. That finding would support the government's claim that similar flashes seen on a 1993 infrared tape were the result of sunlight reflecting off debris from the crumbling complex, not gunfire. Vector also reported that the infrared cameras in aircraft above the Fort Hood simulation site picked up flashes from six of the nine weapons tested. But wherever flashes were visible from weapons, the shooters also were visible, the sources said. Flashes on the 1993 Waco tape do not show shooters. Vector followed up the preliminary report with an oral briefing for Smith last Monday. Mike Caddell, the lead counsel for the Branch Davidians, said Smith has not yet relayed the conclusions of Vector's oral report. He interpreted that as "a bad sign for my side." But, Caddell said, he has strong evidence on other issues that he will stress at the June trial of the Branch Davidians' wrongful death suit against the government. Among them are the Davidians' claim that the FBI failed to provide fire equipment as instructed by Attorney General Janet Reno and that the FBI commanders on the scene abused their discretion by prematurely knocking down part of the complex. Regardless of Vector's conclusions, Caddell plans to present his own experts who will argue that the flashes on the 1993 tape are from government guns. He acknowledges that his experts cannot show that any particular Branch Davidian died from a government bullet. Vector was hired to conduct the test by Special Counsel John Danforth who, in September, was appointed by Reno to oversee an independent investigation into the standoff and fire. The appointment came amid criticism following revelations that the FBI, contradicting a position it had taken for six years, used potentially incendiary devices on the last day of the 51-day standoff on April 19, 1993. David Koresh and about 80 followers died. Reno and the FBI deny any wrongdoing. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Quack Sentenced
09:27 PM ET 04/20/00 Coffee Enema Doctor Sentenced By SAMUEL MAULL= Associated Press Writer= NEW YORK (AP) _ A doctor who received network television attention for unusual cancer treatments that include coffee enemas was told by a jury Thursday to pay the husband of a dead patient $282,000. The jury found Dr. Nicholas J. Gonzalez negligent for telling Hollace Schafer, a college music professor, that by testing her hair he could diagnose the state of her cancer and prescribe appropriate treatment. Schafer died in 1995. The verdict was the second against the 51-year-old Gonzalez. In 1997, a jury ordered him to pay the family of Julianne Charell, 64, more than $2 million because of his unorthodox treatment of her uterine cancer. The jury in the Schafer case found Gonzalez negligent for not arranging proper testing to determine her condition, and they found that this contributed to her death from Hodgkin's disease _ cancer of the lymph system. Schafer's husband, Jack C. Gray, sued Gonzalez in 1996, charging that he used ``quackery'' instead of proven medical regimens to treat his wife with vitamins, dietary manipulation, purges, animal tissue extracts, and enzymes. Gray's lawyer, Maria del Pilar Ocasio, said Gonzalez's cancer treatment also called for four to 10 coffee enemas a day to ``detoxify'' Schafer's gastrointestinal system. Ocasio said the doctor ``brainwashed'' Schafer to make her believe this would work. Schafer, 40 when she died in 1995, was first diagnosed with cancer in 1977, Ocasio said. Twice she had been treated with chemotherapy and twice her cancer had gone into remission. When the cancer appeared a third time, she decided to try alternative treatment. The jury found Schafer, an assistant professor at the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, Mass., 51 percent liable for her own death, while Gonzalez was ruled 49 percent liable. The apportioning of liability showed the jury believed the defense argument that Schafer, a Ph.D. in musicology, was an intelligent woman who researched her treatment options and chose Gonzalez. Gonzalez's cancer treatment was the topic of an ABC news special and a segment on CBS's ''48 Hours.'' A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Elian Picture
Doesn't look to traumatized to me...hmmm...
[CTRL] The Cuban Exile Community-Peaceful?? Law-Abiding???
Excerpted from http://www.miaminewtimes.com/issues/2000-04-20/mullin.html The following list of violent incidents I compiled from a variety of databases and news sources (a few come from personal experience). It is incomplete, especially in Miami's trademark category of bomb threats. Nor does it include dozens of acts of violence and murder committed by Cuban exiles in other U.S. cities and at least sixteen foreign countries. But completeness isn't the point. The point is to face the truth, no matter how difficult that may be. If Miami's Cuban exiles confront this shameful past -- and resolutely disavow it -- they will go a long way toward easing their neighbors' anxiety about a peaceful future. 1968 From MacArthur Causeway, pediatrician Orlando Bosch fires bazooka at a Polish freighter. (City of Miami later declares "Orlando Bosch Day." Federal agents will jail him in 1988.) 1972 Julio Iglesias, performing at a local nightclub, says he wouldn't mind "singing in front of Cubans." Audience erupts in anger. Singer requires police escort. Most radio stations drop Iglesias from playlists. One that doesn't, Radio Alegre, receives bomb threats. 1974 Exile leader José Elias de la Torriente murdered in his Coral Gables home after failing to carry out a planned invasion of Cuba. 1974 Bomb blast guts the office of Spanish-language magazine Replica. 1974 Several small Cuban businesses, citing threats, stop selling Replica. 1974 Three bombs explode near a Spanish-language radio station. 1974 Hector Diaz Limonta and Arturo Rodriguez Vives murdered in internecine exile power struggles. 1975 Luciano Nieves murdered after advocating peaceful coexistence with Cuba. 1975 Another bomb damages Replica's office. 1976 Rolando Masferrer and Ramon Donestevez murdered in internecine exile power struggles. 1976 Car bomb blows off legs of WQBA-AM news director Emilio Milian after he publicly condemns exile violence. 1977 Juan José Peruyero murdered in internecine exile power struggles. 1979 Cuban film Memories of Underdevelopment interrupted by gunfire and physical violence instigated by two exile groups. 1979 Bomb discovered at Padron Cigars, whose owner helped negotiate release of 3600 Cuban political prisoners. 1979 Bomb explodes at Padron Cigars. 1980 Another bomb explodes at Padron Cigars. 1980 Powerful anti-personnel bomb discovered at American Airways Charter, which arranges flights to Cuba. 1981 Bomb explodes at Mexican Consulate on Brickell Avenue in protest of relations with Cuba. 1981 Replica's office again damaged by a bomb. 1982 Two outlets of Hispania Interamericana, which ships medicine to Cuba, attacked by gunfire. 1982 Bomb explodes at Venezuelan Consulate in downtown Miami in protest of relations with Cuba. 1982 Bomb discovered at Nicaraguan Consulate. 1982 Miami Mayor Maurice Ferre defends $10,000 grant to exile commando group Alpha 66 by noting that the organization "has never been accused of terrorist activities inside the United States." 1983 Another bomb discovered at Replica. 1983 Another bomb explodes at Padron Cigars. 1983 Bomb explodes at Paradise International, which arranges travel to Cuba. 1983 Bomb explodes at Little Havana office of Continental National Bank, one of whose executives, Bernardo Benes, helped negotiate release of 3600 Cuban political prisoners. 1983 Miami City Commissioner Demetrio Perez seeks to honor exile terrorist Juan Felipe de la Cruz, accidentally killed while assembling a bomb. (Perez is now a member of the Miami-Dade County Public School Board and owner of the Lincoln-Martí private school where Elian Gonzalez is enrolled.) 1983 Gunfire shatters windows of three Little Havana businesses linked to Cuba. 1986 South Florida Peace Coalition members physically attacked in downtown Miami while demonstrating against Nicaraguan contra war. 1987 Bomb explodes at Cuba Envios, which ships packages to Cuba. 1987 Bomb explodes at Almacen El Español, which ships packages to Cuba. 1987 Bomb explodes at Cubanacan, which ships packages to Cuba. 1987 Car belonging to Bay of Pigs veteran is firebombed. 1987 Bomb explodes at Machi Viajes a Cuba, which arranges travel to Cuba. 1987 Bomb explodes outside Va Cuba, which ships packages to Cuba. 1988 Bomb explodes at Miami Cuba, which ships medical supplies to Cuba. 1988 Bomb threat against Iberia Airlines in protest of Spain's relations with Cuba. 1988 Bomb explodes outside Cuban Museum of Art and Culture after auction of paintings by Cuban artists. 1988 Bomb explodes outside home of Maria Cristina Herrera, organizer of a conference on U.S.-Cuba relations. 1988 Bomb threat against WQBA-AM after commentator denounces Herrera bombing. 1988 Bomb threat at local office of Immigration and Naturalization Service in protest of terrorist Orlando Bosch being jailed. 1988 Bomb explodes near home of Griselda Hidalgo, advocate of unrestricted travel to Cuba. 1988 Bomb damages Bele Cuba Express, which ships packages
[CTRL] Hmmm...America Agrees With Reno
POLL RELEASES April 22, 2000 Reaction Poll on Elian Gonzalez Majority approves of government actions on Saturday GALLUP NEWS SERVICE PRINCETON, NJ - A new CNN/Gallup Poll survey, conducted Saturday afternoon, finds Americans in general agreement with the Justice Department action taken early Saturday morning, in which armed federal agents stormed the Gonzalez family home in Miami and took Elian Gonzalez away to be reunited with his father. Over half of Americans, 57%, told Gallup they approve of the federal action while just 37% disapprove. This finding is consistent with previous Gallup polls which have showed roughly six in ten Americans believing the six-year old Cuban castaway should be returned to his father to live in Cuba, rather than remain with relatives in Miami. The current survey finds no change in this basic outlook, with 59% saying it is in the boy's best interests to return to Cuba, and only 27% saying he should remain in the U.S. Complete findings of the survey, shown below, indicate there is some concern about the government's use of force in carrying out Saturday's action. Four in ten Americans (40%) believe the government used too much force while 36% say it used the right amount. At the same time, a 54% majority agree with Attorney General Janet Reno's argument that the government had done all it could until now to settle the matter without the use of force; only 38% disagree. What next? A 54% majority of Americans agree with the recent federal court order requiring Elian Gonzalez to remain in the United States until his appeal for political asylum is heard next month. Close to two-thirds of the public, 63%, believe the Miami relatives should be able to visit Elian Gonzalez in Washington, D.C. as soon as possible, as they are attempting to do. The results below are based on telephone interviews with a randomly selected national sample of 613 adults, 18 years and older, conducted April 22, 2000, between 2:00 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95 percent confidence that the maximum error attributable to sampling and other random effects is plus or minus 4 percentage points. In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls. As you may know, federal agents physically removed Elian Gonzalez from the home of his Miami relatives early this morning, and have taken him to Washington D.C. to reunite him with his father. Do you approve or disapprove of that action? Approve 57% Disapprove 37 No opinion 6 How strongly do you feel about your view on that matter -- strongly, or not so strongly? Strongly approve 48% Not so strongly approve 9 Not so strongly disapprove 7 Strongly disapprove 30 No opinion 6 Which of the following solutions do you think would be in the best interests of the boy - [ROTATE: 1) For him to remain in the U.S. to live with relatives who have requested he stay here (or), 2) For him to live with his father in Cuba, as his father has requested]? Remain in U.S. Live with father in Cuba Other (vol.) No opinion 2000 Apr 22 27% 59 7 7 2000 Apr 7-9 31% 60 4 5 2000 Mar 30-Apr 2 31% 56 5 8 2000 Feb 14-15 36% 55 4 5 2000 Jan 25-26 33% 60 3 4 1999 Dec 9-12 45% 45 3 7 From what you know about today's actions, do you think the government agents involved used too much force or about the right amount of force in removing Elian Gonzalez from the Miami home? Used too much force 40% Used right amount of force 36 Used too little force (vol..) 1 No opinion 23 Do you agree or disagree that the federal government did all it could to settle this situation without using force? Agree 54% Disagree 38 No opinion 8 Now thinking about the Elian Gonzalez situation overall, since it started last November, do you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following have handled the situation? (Random order) Approve Disapprove No opinion % % % President Clinton 42 42 16 Attorney General Janet Reno 45 46 9 Al Gore 23 42 35 Elian Gonzalez relatives in Miami 31 59 10 The news media 30 66 4 In terms of the news TODAY, have you, yourself, happened to see any of the television coverage TODAY concerning Elian Gonzalez? Yes 56% No 44 No opinion * (If saw news coverage)In the news coverage you've seen today, did you happen to see (Rotate A-B)? How about BASED ON NATIONAL ADULTS Yes, saw footage No, not seen foootage/ Not seen any coverage % % A. Photos or news footage of Elian Gonzalez being physically removed from the Miami home 42 58 B. Photos or news footage of Elian Gonzalez being reunited with his father 18 82 As you may know, the Miami relatives are on their way to Washington, D.C. where they hope to be able to visit with Elian Gonzalez. In your view, should the Miami relatives be allowed to visit with Elian Gonzalez as soon as possible,
