Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.15.1-4

2014-07-23 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 07:14:42PM +0200, Marco Atzeri wrote:
On 21/07/2014 16:57, Matt D. wrote:
 to that should be up to date?

most of the mirrors have a 24 hours cycle

Actually, many mirrors update from sourceware.org every couple
of hours.  kernel.org is one example.

cgf

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Re: Erreur messages when trying to compile

2013-02-18 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 07:37:22AM -0800, jere95 wrote:


Thanks a lot I was able to solve the problem!

For the record:

1) This is a simple C programming problem which should not be sent to
a mailing list.  You should fix these types of problems yourself.

2) If that wasn't enough to make this off-topic, you are sending this
to the cygwin-xfree mailing list.  C compilation problems have nothing
to do with this mailing list.

cgf

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Re: X connections reset on PC sleep

2013-02-13 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 03:05:37PM +, Jon TURNEY wrote:
On 12/02/2013 03:51, Ray Balogh wrote:
 Sorry, I???m sure this is a known issue, but I can???t seem to locate any
 description of the problem in the FAQ, docs, or mailing list archives.
 
 The problem is that when my PC sleeps, my X connections get reset with
 
   xterm: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) or KillClient
 on X server ???somehost:0???
 
 although the Cygwin/X server (Ver. 1.13.1) is still running. I???ve enabled
 logging, but I don???t see anything at all in the log file.
 
 Is there some configuration to stop Cygwin/X from doing this? It???s 
 extremely
 inconvenient to have to recreate all my windows if I happen to step away from
 the system for a while. I???m running the X clients under a Ubuntu VM (VMware
 Player), in case that is significant.

I'm afraid that the X protocol doesn't have any way for a running client to
detach and reconnect to a server.  If one end of the connection goes to sleep,
the connection will be broken.

I use (and love) this package:  http://xpra.org/  which allows you to start
an X server in the background and connect/disconnect to it.

See also: http://winswitch.org/ which provides a GUI for manipulating xpra.

FYI.

cgf

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Re: X connections reset on PC sleep

2013-02-13 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:27:02PM -0500, Ryan Johnson wrote:
On 13/02/2013 10:37 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
 I use (and love) this package:  http://xpra.org/  which allows you to start
 an X server in the background and connect/disconnect to it.

 See also: http://winswitch.org/ which provides a GUI for manipulating xpra.

Nice! I tried partiwm a long time ago and it was too buggy to use... and 
then it never changed. Good to know somebody gave it the TLC it deserved.

I use it with pidgin, xterm, rdesktop, and occasionally firefox so it's
possible that it doesn't work well with more sophisticated apps.  But,
the developer seems pretty responsive so it seems like any reported
problems have a chanced of being fixed.  I use it to check cygwin
problems when I'm at work and my cygwin machine is at home.

One minor problem is that the support for various platforms is spotty.
I've had to build packages for OpenSUSE myself and the packages for
gentoo often lag the release by months.

Anyway, this is off-topic but I thought that I'd spread the word about
this app.  I used to use the freenx stuff but I was always tinkering
with it.  xpra, for me, just works.

cgf

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Re: Gode tekster selger best -- Spam

2012-08-22 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 06:52:50AM +0200, Herbert Stocker wrote:
To the list:

i checked with Google Translate, this is spam. Iaw, an advertising for 
an off-topic web site.

Yes, it's pretty obvious that this is spam without a translation.

These kind of things get blocked when they show up.  There is no need
for you to do anything and, in fact, responding to spam and quoting
the article is a good way to get added as a spammer yourself.

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Re: Linking Errors related to X11

2012-03-22 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 07:04:54PM -0400, Larry Hall (Cygwin-X) wrote:
On 3/21/2012 6:19 PM, Tom Szczesny wrote:
 I am attempting to port the aplus-fsf-4.22 package (available at
 www.aplusdev.org) to cygwin,
 and I'm getting linking errors related to X11.

 I can build the package successfully on Gentoo Linux.

 The build on cygwin fails at   /aplus-fsf-4.22/src/main/aplus-main.c
 with many error messages related to X11, such as
  undefined reference to '_XWarpPointer'.

 The Makefile.in contains the lines:
 X_INCLUDES = @X_INCLUDES@
 X_LIBS = @X_LIBS@

 which got translated (in the Makefile) to:
 X_INCLUDES = -I
 X_LIBS = -L -lX11

 While this works when building in Gentoo Linux, it does not appear to
 be correct for cygwin.
 What is the correct specification when building the package in cygwin?

[I thought this was already answered in the cygwin list]

Try these:

X_INCLUDES = /usr/include
X_LIBS = -L /usr/include -lX11

You can also override the faulty configure script values and point
directly at these paths with the -x-includes and -x-libraries
flags.

The -L part is not right, Larry.  If anything, it should be -L /usr/lib
but there's no need for that since /usr/lib is searched by default.  So
both the -L and the -I should just be deleted.

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Re: Linking Errors related to X11

2012-03-22 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 01:55:04PM -0400, Tom Szczesny wrote:
This question was answered in the cygwin list, but the proposed
solutions did not work.
Someone on the list suggested that I send the question to
cygwin-xfree, so I did.

When I delete the -I and the -L and try:
X_INCLUDES =
X_LIBS = /usr/include -lX11
I get:

When I said to just delete I meant to delete them from your
original example.

It should be:

X_INCLUDES =
X_LIBS = -lX11

But, again, even if you get this to link, if you are still playing
around with things like ioctl definitions this is not going to work.
And, sorry to be blunt but if your level of understanding about this
does not include comprehension of what /usr/include is then it is
unlikely that you are going to be successful here.

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Re: you online this am?

2012-03-03 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Mar 03, 2012 at 06:30:40AM -0700, edv wrote:
are you online this am...?

I'm assuming that this is spam and so am blocking this account from further
communications here.  If I'm wrong the OP should send email to postmaster
to be unblocked and explain the reason for this bizarre question.

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Re: can I buy some telephone support to get some questions answered?

2011-12-29 Thread Christopher Faylor
No.  This is a free software project, staffed by volunteers.  As
mentioned on the cygwin web site, http://cygwin.com/, the only way to
get support is via the cygwin or cygwin-xfree mailing lists.

cgf

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Re: original cygwin console?

2011-12-03 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 09:23:38AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote:
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 01:44:59AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:30:06PM -0500, wxie wrote:
 The new cygwin console use mintty. Is it still possible to change back 
 to the orignal console?
 
 Wrong mailing list but, there was no cygwin console.  That's just a
 standard Windows console running bash.

agree wrong mailing list

disagree on the followup comment: a standard Windows console provides a
way to implement a simple terminal emulator, but the functionality
which wxie appears to refer to was the implementation provided by
Cygwin.

There is no implementation beyond running bash, i.e.:

c:\cygwin\bin\bash --login -i

Put that in a shortcut or, if you need to set some environment
variables, create a .bat file.

Many people seem to think that what they got when they clicked on the
Cygwin icon was some sort of Cygwin terminal because they were
apparently unfamilar with the Windows console as seen in good-old
CMD.EXE.  They apparently had never seen that white-on-black box on
their screen before and thought that Cygwin created it.

cgf

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Re: original cygwin console?

2011-12-02 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 09:30:06PM -0500, wxie wrote:
The new cygwin console use mintty. Is it still possible to change back 
to the orignal console?

Wrong mailing list but, there was no cygwin console.  That's just a
standard Windows console running bash.

cgf

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Re: email to list keeps bouncing

2011-08-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 05:53:07PM +, McBroom, Robert C wrote:
My emails to the list keep bouncing from the spam checker.  I have everything 
in plain text.  Anyone have any advice on getting through?

1) Don't send list problems here.

2) Read the bounce message.  You were including raw email in the body of
your message.

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Re: segfault Xserver...current version (1.10, not 1.8)

2011-08-09 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:55:31PM -0700, Linda Walsh wrote:
Jon TURNEY wrote:

 Following the instructions at [2] to obtain an Xserver backtrace would 
 also be of great help.
 
 [2] http://x.cygwin.com/devel/backtrace.html
 
Reading symbols from /usr/bin/Xwin...(no debugging symbols found)...done.

From the above web page:

  To generate a useful backtrace, you will need an X server built with
  debugging symbols.  X server snapshots are built with debugging symbols
  for this reason.  Download the latest X Server snapshot from
  ftp://cygwin.com/pub/cygwinx, uncompress it using bunzip2, and move it
  to /usr/bin/XWin.exe

cgf

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Re: how to enable shared memory?

2011-07-24 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:42:48PM -0400, Eliot Moss wrote:
On 7/23/2011 6:25 PM, Ekkard Gerlach wrote:
 I found some stuff on my own:

 searching missing cygrunsrv with google leaded me to a
 not installed package cygrunsrv. I started setup.exe again,
 selected the Admin -  cygrunsrv and installed the package.

 Now cygserver-config runs, asked me whether to start cygserver
 as service. I don't know why, I want to enabel shared memory only.

While I am not knowledgeable in the details, I can (I hope)
clear up that point: cygwin shm support requires a background
server to help in the implementation.

Also, cygrunsrv != cygserver.

cgf

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.10.3-1

2011-07-19 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 07:25:50PM -0700, Linda Walsh wrote:
Jon TURNEY wrote:

 The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution:
 
 *** xorg-server-1.10.3-1
 *** xorg-server-dmx-1.10.3-1


   How can I install 'just' those packages (from the command
line)

   The GUI has no option to only install 1 package --
it selects ALL, (100's of my packages want updates, but when I tried I
tried it last, I ended up with a completely non-function cygwin setup
(no bash, nada..., thank goddess I had a backup...)

   So now now, I tried going through and unselecting, but there
were too many and my wrists gave out.and of course the GUI has
not KB-accelerators like shift-minus to unselect all, that I could find.

   Any easy way to cherry pick packages to install rather than being
forced fed entire updates all at once?

the cmd line 'setup' claims to allow you to install, one package, but
then it went through the whole gui process and still had all the other
default packages installed!

If you ran setup.exe and it deleted bash then there is something very
seriously wrong with either your system or setup.exe.

I know where my money would go if I was betting on which of the above
was more likely.

cgf

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Re: Still can't run XServer or any apps that require it

2011-04-25 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 04:23:56PM +0100, Jon TURNEY wrote:
On 23/04/2011 17:47, David M. Karr wrote:
 Almost a week ago now, I've been unable to run my XServer, and thus any of 
 the
 apps that normally run with it, like Emacs.

I realise this situation is an inconvenience, but please don't post to
multiple lists just because you don't get a quick response.

 When I run startxwin, it just
 says failed to activate core devices.
[snip]
 [498341.949] (EE) XKB: Could not invoke xkbcomp
 [498341.949] (EE) XKB: Couldn't compile keymap
 [498341.949] (EE) XKB: Failed to load keymap. Loading default keymap instead.
 [498342.089] (EE) XKB: Could not invoke xkbcomp
 [498342.089] (EE) XKB: Couldn't compile keymap
 [498342.089] XKB: Failed to compile keymap
 [498342.089] Keyboard initialization failed. This could be a missing or
 incorrect setup of xkeyboard-config.
 [498342.089] Fatal server error: Failed to activate core devices.
 --
 
 I looked in the FAQ for the entry corresponding to this error, but none of 
 the
 steps found any issues.  I've tried doing rebaseall according to the
 instructions, but that hasn't made any difference.  In fact, my problems
 started when I ran rebaseall to fix a different problem.  I was getting
 Doing vfork: resource temporarily unavailable when I started up Emacs, and
 some advice I found suggested running rebaseall.

Unfortunately, rebaseall is a rather limited workaround, rather than a
solution for these issues (for reasons which have been discussed extensively
in the past)

There has been a recent cygwin DLL change which *might* help in this
situation, so I'd suggest you try the 2011-04-07 snapshot from [1] and see if
that makes a difference. (I wouldn't recommend later ones as they seem to have
a regression in a different area)

[1] http://cygwin.com/snapshots/

Also, I've found that using a different base address with rebaseall
seems to help with some X problems:

dash -c rebaseall -b 0x7700

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2011-04/msg00306.html

cgf

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Re: Arrow Keys Bash Shortcuts do not work

2011-04-09 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Apr 09, 2011 at 12:21:45PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Sat, Apr 09, 2011 at 04:10:58PM +0530, Ajay Jain wrote:
Hi,

I am in a fix. My arrow keys (left, right, up, down, Alt-F, Alt-B,
Ctrl-P, Ctrl-N ) do not work.

What should I do? I tried looking on the net, but there is no clear way out.

Then I opened cygiwn (c:\cygwin\cygwin.bat).

I did the following:

cygcheck -k

Left Arrow - Pressed  1x VK: 0x25 VS: 0x4b A: 0x00 CTRL: -- EK -- --
-- -- -- -- --
Released 1x VK: 0x25 VS: 0x4b A: 0x00 CTRL: -- EK -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Right Arrow - Pressed  1x VK: 0x27 VS: 0x4d A: 0x00 CTRL: -- EK -- --
-- -- -- -- --
Released 1x VK: 0x27 VS: 0x4d A: 0x00 CTRL: -- EK -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Up Arrow - Pressed  1x VK: 0x26 VS: 0x48 A: 0x00 CTRL: -- EK -- -- --
-- -- -- --
Released 1x VK: 0x26 VS: 0x48 A: 0x00 CTRL: -- EK -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Down Arrow - Pressed  1x VK: 0x28 VS: 0x50 A: 0x00 CTRL: -- EK -- --
-- -- -- -- --
Released 1x VK: 0x28 VS: 0x50 A: 0x00 CTRL: -- EK -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Then I pressed Ctrl-V Left Arrow, Ctrl-V Right Arrow, Ctrl-V Up Arrow,
Ctrl-V Bottom Arrow and I get:

^[[D^[[C^[[A^[[B

What should I do? I expect that the keys should work out of box.

Nothing above illustrates the arror keys not working.
   arrow

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Re: xterm access violations (again)

2011-04-04 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 02:27:27PM +0100, Jon TURNEY wrote:
On 01/04/2011 17:05, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
 On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
 On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
 Could someone try this with the latest snapshot?  I haven't made any
 changes but I just want to confirm that it still fails with something
 close to what will become Cygwin 1.7.9.

 http://cygwin.com/snapshots/

 You just have to replace the DLL.  Don't bother with a cygwin-inst*
 tarball.

 Yes, still there:
 
 How can I/we assist in debugging this problem?  First we need to
 determine where the problem lies, whether it's in Cygwin itself, or
 xterm. Today it took me 3-4 tries to get an xterm up.  As I was
 running late for work, it was kind of frustrating.

I think you could:

1. Obtain the cygwin1.dbg file corresponding to your cygwin1.dll (for
snapshots, it is available from the snapshot page, for releases, I believe it
is in the corresponding cygwin src package), and place it next to your 
cygwin1.dll
2. Run xterm under gdb
3. Obtain a backtrace when the segv occurs
4. Diagnose the problem
5. Write and test a patch to fix it

You'll probably want to refer to [1] for that last step. :-)

[1] http://cygwin.com/contrib.html

FWIW, I know what is causing the problem but not how to fix it.  It's
similar to

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2011-04/msg1.html

Rebasing should fix that particular problem but it's not a panacea.

cgf

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Re: xterm access violations (again)

2011-03-26 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 01:22:42AM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:09:38PM -0600, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:24 PM, webmaster wrote:

 http://www.donsbox.com/~dfelicia/xterm-269[redacted]

Still dumps, but xterm came up anyway:

Exception: STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION at eip=61020497
eax=00DD00F8 ebx=61246A44 ecx=75570D06 edx=00334118 esi= edi=0028F9F4
ebp=61020BE0 esp=0028C7C4 program=F:\download\tt\usr\bin\xterm.exe,
pid 7796, thread main
cs=0023 ds=002B es=002B fs=0053 gs=002B ss=002B
Stack trace:
Frame Function  Args
End of stack trace


In fact I tried it about 1/2 dozen times.  Half the time, no dump,
xterm starts.  Other half of the time, dump but xterm starts anyway.

It's not an xterm problem, AFAICT.  It's SEGVing in Cygwin due to a
problem with Cygwin's record keeping about loaded DLLs.  Possibly rebase
will help.  I'll investigate more over the weekend.

Could someone try this with the latest snapshot?  I haven't made any
changes but I just want to confirm that it still fails with something
close to what will become Cygwin 1.7.9.

http://cygwin.com/snapshots/

You just have to replace the DLL.  Don't bother with a cygwin-inst*
tarball.

cgf

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Re: xterm access violations (again)

2011-03-24 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:09:38PM -0600, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:24 PM, webmaster wrote:

 http://www.donsbox.com/~dfelicia/xterm-269[redacted]

Still dumps, but xterm came up anyway:

Exception: STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION at eip=61020497
eax=00DD00F8 ebx=61246A44 ecx=75570D06 edx=00334118 esi= edi=0028F9F4
ebp=61020BE0 esp=0028C7C4 program=F:\download\tt\usr\bin\xterm.exe,
pid 7796, thread main
cs=0023 ds=002B es=002B fs=0053 gs=002B ss=002B
Stack trace:
Frame Function  Args
End of stack trace


In fact I tried it about 1/2 dozen times.  Half the time, no dump,
xterm starts.  Other half of the time, dump but xterm starts anyway.

It's not an xterm problem, AFAICT.  It's SEGVing in Cygwin due to a
problem with Cygwin's record keeping about loaded DLLs.  Possibly rebase
will help.  I'll investigate more over the weekend.

cgf

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Re: X server segfault problem

2011-01-03 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:32:15PM -0500, chm wrote:
I've just added myself to the cygwin-xfree list so this
reply should go through now.

You don't have to subscribe to the list to send email.  Witness:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2011-01/msg3.html

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Re: Segmentation Fault in OpenGL - glutMainLoop

2010-12-14 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 05:39:27PM +, Jon TURNEY wrote:
On 06/12/2010 04:14, Nathan Rose wrote:
 I suspect this problem may be beyond the scope of this mailing list, but I 
 would really appreciate any
 help that you could provide. 
 
 I have someone else's code that uses OpenGL (it's a massive set of files, so 
 I'm not going to attach 
 them here). It compiles fine on Cygwin, but when the glutMainLoop method is 
 called I get a 
 segmentation fault. I have tested it on Ubuntu and this does not occur 
 there, so my assumption is 
 that there is something wrong with how I have set up Cygwin. The following 
 packages have been installed: 
 libglut-devel
 libglut3
 glproto 
 libGL-devel
 libGL1
 libGLU-devel
 libGLU1
 libglitz
 libxcb-dlx-devel
 libxcb-glx0

I guess you are using the S2PLOT library.  The current version (2.6) of that
doesn't seem to build for cygwin, so I can't try to reproduce your problem.

 I have attached the stackdump from the segfault and the output from 
 cygcheck, in case they can help 
 identify the cause of this issue. I'm not expecting that anyone will be able 
 to magically solve this with 
 what little information I have provided, but any hints as to which direction 
 I should proceed would be 
 very much appreciated.

Note that the stackdump reports STATUS_STACK_OVERFLOW (which I believe means
something like 'a guard page for the stack could not be mapped'), rather than
for e.g. STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION.

That's basically what it means.  It implies that there is no more room
to contiguously allocate more memory for the stack.

cgf

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Re: Can't use mintty instead of rxvt for ssh -Y using cygwin xserver

2010-10-11 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 05:14:56PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
On 11 October 2010 17:02, reckoner wrote:
Evidently, there is some subtle difference in how the DISPLAY variable,
which is set in the user startup files is processed by rxvt as opposed
to mintty.

Ultimately, although the DISPLAY variable is clearly set in the user
startup files, I additionally had to set it higher up in the startup
process in /etc/profile in order to get it to work with mintty.

Rxvt and also xterm set DISPLAY to the X display they're connected to.
Mintty of course isn't an X application, hence all it could do is take
an uneducated guess and set DISPLAY to ':0'.  I don't think that would
be appropriate, because no X server might be present or it might point
at the wrong one.  The Cygwin console and PuTTYcyg don't set DISPLAY
either.

You probably could try to figure out if the X server is working and then
see which display is being used from that but I really don't think it
makes sense to slow down mintty to perform this check.  FWIW, this
wouldn't work with the linux console either.

IMO, it just boils down to a situation where, if the user wants to have
things display remotely, they have to go to the effort to properly set
the DISPLAY environment variable.  Modifying mintty, the cygwin console,
or any other non-X application to do the right thing isn't the way to
go.

cgf

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Re: Can't use mintty instead of rxvt for ssh -Y using cygwin xserver

2010-10-08 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 10:10:28AM -0700, Reckoner wrote:
Hi,

I'm starting my xserver using

  C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/X11R6/bin XWin -multiwindow
-clipboard -silent-dup-error

and then I do:

  C:\cygwin\bin\rxvt.exe -e /bin/xhere /bin/zsh

when I do

  % ssh -Y h...@remote.edu

I can successfully open remote x-windows.

However,

If I use mintty 0.91 instead of rxvt as shown below:

  C:\cygwin\bin\mintty.exe -e /bin/xhere /bin/zsh

when I do

  % ssh -Y h...@remote.edu

I *cannot* successfully open remote x-windows.

Note that changing the shell from zsh to bash doesn't help at all.

Any advice appreciated.

The appropriate log files are attached.

According to your cygcheck output, you don't have a DISPLAY environment
variable set.  Does performing an export DISPLAY=:0 before using ssh
help?

cgf

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Re: R: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.9.0-1 (TEST)

2010-10-02 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 08:36:51PM +, Marco Atzeri wrote:
--- Gio 30/9/10, Jon TURNEY ha scritto:

 The following packages have been
 updated in the Cygwin distribution:
 
 *** xorg-server-1.9.0-1
 *** xorg-server-dmx-1.9.0-1
 
 This package contains XWin and the other X.Org X11
 servers.

 
 -- Jon TURNEY
 Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer
 

Hi Jon,
testing the 1.9.0-1 server with recent cygwin snapshots
20100924 to 20101001 (not checked the ones before) 

I am unable to run xterm as bash crashes.

Menu command:
C:\cygwin2\bin\run.exe -p /usr/bin  xterm -fn 8x13 -fg white -bg black 
-display 127.0.0.1:0.0 -ls /bin/bash


bash.exe.stackdump

Exception: STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION at eip=610C8835
eax= ebx=001C ecx=7C801898 edx=7C90E514 esi=61165220 edi=
ebp=186CCD58 esp=186CCC80 program=C:\cygwin2\bin\bash.exe, pid 10864, thread 
sig
cs=001B ds=0023 es=0023 fs=003B gs= ss=0023
Stack trace:
Frame Function  Args
186CCD58  610C8835  (61165220, , , )
186CCD88  61003DF1  (, , , 61004772)
End of stack trace

no such problem with the 

$ XWin.exe --version
Release: 1.8.2.0 (10802000)
Build Date: 2010-08-06

Which snapshot does the above stack trace come from?

cgf

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Re: R: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: xorg-server-1.9.0-1 (TEST)

2010-10-02 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 04:54:25PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 08:36:51PM +, Marco Atzeri wrote:
testing the 1.9.0-1 server with recent cygwin snapshots
20100924 to 20101001 (not checked the ones before) 

Which snapshot does the above stack trace come from?

Actually, try today's snapshot when it shows up (it's building now).  It
may fix the problem.  I just found a cygwin startup problem today while
trying to track down the git problem.  I think this may be what you're
seeing.

cgf

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Re: Re: Missing dependency for Athena libraries

2010-08-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:13:51PM +0200, Ryan Johnson wrote:
  On 8:59 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
 On 14 August 2010 12:57, Ryan Johnson wrote:
 I just tried to pull down the Athena widget libraries (xaw and xaw3d) and
 got an unmet dependency message for libXpm-devel.

 It's not a big deal, since it offered to add it to my list, but a bit odd (I
 just clicked on each once... none of the cycling though
 install/keep/reinstall/etc which might have confused something).
 That's the new normal, following a change to setup.exe.

 Previously, dependencies would have been added instantly when you
 selected a package. The problem with that was that those dependencies
 weren't deselected if you changed your mind about a package. Also, it
 got in the way when you cycled through the package actions to get to
 'Uninstall', and sometimes people were surprised about the number of
 packages being quietly pulled in by their selections. Therefore now
 the dependencies being added automatically are always listed on the
 'Resolve Dependencies' page.

 Seems the wording on that page still needs some fine-tuning though. I
 presume it was the 'Unmet Dependencies Found' line that made you think
 there's a problem?
Ah, OK. That seems fine -- I only worried because in the past that 
message meant something was wonky.

Actually, I don't think the message ever meant anything was wrong.

cgf

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Re: GNOME on cygwin

2010-08-04 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 12:43:11PM -0700, Raul Acevedo wrote:
So why are there GNOME packages in Cygwin?  What is actually in them?

http://cygwin.com/packages/

would answer that question for you.

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Re: GNOME on cygwin

2010-08-04 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 11:48:35PM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
Since there are already in Ports, why aren't these in the distro?  I
already maintain a proportionally large number of the distro packages,
and there is legitimate concern that having too many packages maintained
by one volunteer would lead to a difficult situation for the rest of the
distro if said volunteer were to leave the project for whatever reason
(a seemingly inevitable situation in community-run FOSS projects).
OTOH, I do feel that Cygwin would be a much better product with the
GNOME and KDE libraries and applications commonly found in Linux
distros, and I've lost count of how many people struggle to build things
which are already available for, but not shipped with, Cygwin.

I have absolutely no problem with your adding more packages to the
distro, Yaakov.  I'm sure Corinna would not disagree.

I think it would cut down on some confusion if we had more of GNOME in
Cygwin.

(Even though I normally use KDE)

cgf

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Re: USER/GDI Objects leak with (XWin.exe) Cygwin/X X Server Verion 1.7.6, Build Date 2010-03-18

2010-07-27 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 09:34:01PM +0100, Jon TURNEY wrote:
If you are using the current version of Xming, that is the case.
If you are using the free version of Xming, that's about 3 years old.  There 
have been a few changes in the source since then :-)

There's a non-free version of Xming?  That seems like it belies the name.

cgf

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Re: Resizing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 04:39:58PM +0100, Andy Koppe wrote:
On 16 July 2010 15:39, Olwe Melwasul wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Jon TURNEY wrote:
 I installed cygwin/xcygwin 1.7.5 with KDE.

 I don't know where you got KDE from, but it's not in the standard cygwin
 distribution. ??If you have problems with KDE, perhaps you should try the
 place you got it from.

 I tried clicking on XWin
 Server from the Start menue, but nothing happened. I tried startx from
 the
 cygwin basic terminal. Nothing. After some Google archaeology, I found
 someone that had done this:

 cd \cygwin\bin
 ash
 PATH=. rebaseall -v

 at the DOS command. Good. It worked. Running startx at the cygwin
 command did start a twm session. But how the KDE would run, I couldn't
 figure out from any amount of documentation or Googling.

 Given the rest of this email, I find it hard to believe that the
 documentation you read included 'man Xwin' or the Cygwin/X User Guide [1]

 If you did, and you found it unclear, I'd welcome your suggestions as to how
 to improve that documentation.

 I don't think I'd want to try. I'd likely have too many questions.

 And my feelings would either be bolstered by people like Ken Brown who
 answered these initial questions promptly and accurately with
 patience, or trampled rudely and brusquely as is Jon Turney's habit.
 Yes, I've seen other Jon Turney's responses, and they're not winning
 the cygwin cause many friends.

That's both insulting and untrue. Jon's doing a great job maintaining
and supporting one of the most complex pieces of Cygwin, and as far as
I remember, his responses are always helpful and accurate.

Big ditto.  And, I will once again offer my usual pragmatic observation
that going personal in a response is not going to have any positive
effect on your prospects of additional support from the object of your
diatribe.

We are giving you stuff for free, including mailing list support.  If
you don't like the type of support you receive then you *can* send email
to a mailing list expressing your outrage but that is not likely to have
any positive effect whatsoever beyond the temporary flush from
expressing righteous indignation.

And, additionally, the argument from a stranger who says

1) I know a lot.

2) I found this confusing but I have no intentions of offering
constructive feedback.

is likely going to cause a number of people to discount 1).

cgf

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Re: Resizing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 03:03:07PM -0500, Olwe Melwasul wrote:
If you people simply want to flame me, fine. But everything I said is true:

1) No one flamed you.  Flaming is what you are doing now.

2) You are not a customer.  You have no rights to anything here.  The
flow of obligation does not go from us to you.  We are doing you a favor
by providing you with software and answering your questions.  If you
don't want to use the software or don't like the answers you're getting
then it will not affect us in the slightest if you stop.

3) The point of this project is to provide a UNIX/Linux environment
primarily for people who know UNIX/Linux.  The documentation on our
web site presupposes that.  If you don't like man pages then you have
found the wrong project.

4) Cygwin is not a movement.  It is just a collection of programs which
a number of people have made available for free.  Then those people and
others have volunteered their time to create documentation and answer
questions.  You're welcome.

5) When you say that it took three days to do ...X you want us to
conclude that it was hard to find X.  An alternate conclusion is that
you aren't very adept at finding things.  I mention this because it may
not be clear to you that some of your indignant remarks are working
against you.

6) This is an open source project which accepts contributions.  So, if
you truly want to do more than try to convince us that you like to rant
then provide us with concrete suggestions, ideally in the form of actual
changes to the documentation which you so decry.  If you can't be
bothered to provide concrete suggestions and insist on making personal
observations, vague complaints, and pseudo-philosophical pronouncements
then we will all happily conclude that you are YA internet loon who can
be safely ignored.

If you want to do the latter then use the cygwin-talk mailing list as
you'll be off-topic here.  If you want to provide concrete suggestions
for improvement then go ahead.  We'll be happy (seriously) to see them.

cgf

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Re: Resizing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 05:23:26PM -0500, Olwe Melwasul wrote:
After my last email, I
a) went down to the lake (Superior) and stuck my head underwater until
the steam stopped bubbling up
b) took some horse tranquilizers
c) read the Wikipedia article on Mother Teresa

I'm okay now.

Yes, I'll do that, Jason. And yes, man pages are actually beautiful.
W. Richard Stevens (Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment) said
that it's very important to learn how to read code. I guess learning
how to wade through man pages is similar; after all, it's just a step
above reading the source code. Yes, batteries may be included, but
some heavy lifting may be required.

You have seriously deluded yourself into thinking that you have valid
points.  Good bye.  Please don't write.

cgf

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Re: Resizing problem

2010-07-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
I'll say it again.  If you want to have a non-cygwin-xfree discussion
use the cygwin-talk mailing list.  That's what it is for.

My response will be there.

This thread is officially closed.  No more responses please.

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Re: startxwin/XWin won't start properly

2010-06-30 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:07:44PM -0600, Bradley, Mike wrote:

 In the past I have not found a good way to remember which packages where
 installed (e.g. non-default packages).  Is there a file/way to run setup.exe
 so that a specified set of packages are installed?

OK, I removed my old cygwin installation (the directory which contains
/usr, /bin/, etc.), and re-installed a new version.  I kept the
cygwin_package directory, but setup.exe did not remember my previous
installation.  In the past I have had to install cygwin on multiple
machines, and it would be nice to learn a way to have a file which
describes the packages I want to install, rather than having to recall
them all.

So, after being told that Cygwin remembers your previous installation
and to just run setup.exe, you removed your previous installation and
are surprised that Cygwin doesn't remember it.

Here's some more advice for you to misunderstand/ignore:  Don't do that.

cgf

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Re: startxwin/XWin won't start properly

2010-06-30 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 09:02:34AM -0500, Timares, Brian (Harris) wrote:
Larry Hall (Cygwin X) wrote:
On 6/30/2010 1:07 AM, Bradley, Mike wrote:
 OK, I removed my old cygwin installation (the directory which contains/usr,
 /bin/, etc.), and re-installed a new version.  I kept the cygwin_package
 directory, but setup.exe did not remember my previous installation.  In the
 past I have had to install cygwin on multiple machines, and it would be nice
 to learn a way to have a file which describes the packages I want to 
 install,
 rather than having to recall them all.

'setup.exe' doesn't remember your previous installations - ones you have
removed.  There'd be little call for that kind of functionality.  'setup.exe'

I disagree.  I've had to reinstall cygwin from scratch several times,
and also have different coworkers who can benefit from cygwin, but
saying Go through the long list of groupings, including the even
longer sublist of packages, ignoring lib* is not very helpful.  Most
of my coworkers are not sysadmins or Unix gurus so they look at a lot
of packages and say I'll just use puTTY.  And it takes a lot of time.
But no one wants EVERYTHING, a lot of it is not useful to us.

You misunderstand what Larry is saying.

He is referring to wiping out your installation and then expecting
Cygwin to magically remember what you used to have.

You are talking about having a fixed set of packages to install and
apparently expect that you will be able to use software without actually
investigating how to use it.  If you read the documentation on setup.exe
you'll find how to specify the packages you want on the command line.
If you make a .bat file available with the right packages then all of
the poor non-UNIX-gurus who can't figure out how to pick openssh from
a list will be able to just run pleasedoitforme.bat .

OTOH, why not use putty if you don't know linux?

cgf

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Re: startxwin/XWin won't start properly

2010-06-30 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 08:36:05AM -0600, Bradley, Mike wrote:
cgf wrote:
So, after being told that Cygwin remembers your previous installation
and to just run setup.exe, you removed your previous installation and
are surprised that Cygwin doesn't remember it.

What I did was re-run setup.exe.  XWin would still not startup.  Then I
Deleted the cygwin install (except for the package directory).
Setup.exe Did not recall/remember/read the package directory, it did a
default install.

I guess what you're not getting is that the list of installed packages
is located within the cygwin installation itself.  If you wipe out then
setup.exe won't know what's installed.

The good news is XWin works now.  The bad news is I must
remember/find/set the
Various packages I need in addition to the default.

I'm confused as to why the notion of setup.exe to leave a
bread-crumb-trail of what was installed for-the-purpose-of driving a
subsequent installation is such a controversial issue

It's not controversial since setup.exe already does that.  You just
chose to wipe out the record of what's installed.  If you wanted to just
reinstall X you could have just chosen Reinstall and not gone through
the pain of wiping out everything.

cgf


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Re: RE: startxwin/XWin won't start properly

2010-06-30 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 06:11:49PM +0200, Ryan Johnson wrote:

 What Mike and I want is actually pretty reasonable.  We want to be able
 to preserve the work we do in picking the wheat from the chaff (from our
 point of view) to avoid having our coworkers or ourselves duplicate that
 work, whether they understand Unix or not (I'm sorry I brought it up!
 It is largely irrelevant.).  It seems simple--at some point the Setup
 program knows what was selected.  It just needs to save it out and be
 able to read it back in.

vote +1

I've also had this need many times. Most recently, the update to the 
latest cygwin dll, which the instructions specifically said should be a 
clean install rather than an in-place upgrade.

Sheesh.  The instructions did *not* say that a clean install was needed.
We tried hard to make sure that wasn't necessary in fact.

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Re: Setup retaining or saving package selections (was: startxwin/XWin won't start properly)

2010-06-30 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:51:57AM -0500, Timares, Brian (Harris) wrote:
Brian Timares (me! self-replying) wrote:
However this discussion more properly belongs on a more general Cygwin
list.  I'll see if it makes sense to post a suggestion there.

I found something where cgf says the big reason remembered installs
aren't done are because it takes someone with the time and skills to do
it (SHTDI).
http://www.mail-archive.com/cyg...@cygwin.com/msg62416.html

That post is five years old and unrelated to the topic at hand.  This
message is referencing the idea to make a windows library for accessing
the cygwin mount table.  We actually pretty much have that now in fact.

But, that message has nothing to do with this.

I found this
http://marc.info/?l=cygwinm=114858695408427w=2
which kinda does what I want.  It is still more trouble than I want, but
less than giving someone a list of n packages that I've found useful and
expecting them to go through the list.  Mike, that might be worth a try,
though I don't know if it would still work.

You're talking about giving someone a file.  So just give them a .bat
file that contains something like:

setup.exe -P openssh,xorg-x11-base,xorg-x11-bin,xterm

and let them run it.  That will pull in all of the listed packages and
any needed dependencies.

On considering the later link I realize that it might not be 100% as
simple as just saving out a list, unless installing package X
automatically and at that point did dependency resolution.

setup.exe handles dependencies.  That's a big part of its job.

I find discussions of this going back to 2002, but the search for the
main mail list timed out on me.  Anyway, I have to get back to work so
I'll try to post to the main list after work.

You can find the discussion by people who don't know about setup.exe
command-line options nearly every month in the cygwin mailing list.

But, anyway, as Larry says, if you don't like the solutions that are
available to do what you want then offering a patch is how you will make
things happen.  I think most of the setup.exe developers are satisfied
with the way things work now and aren't looking to implement something
else.

cgf

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Re: startxwin/XWin won't start properly

2010-06-29 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 04:56:03PM -0600, Bradley, Mike wrote:
In the past I have not found a good way to remember which packages
where installed (e.g.  non-default packages).  Is there a file/way to
run setup.exe so that a specified set of packages are installed?

Every time you select a new package to install, it is added to the
remembered list of packages on your system.  So, the next time you run
setup.exe it will update anything that is out of date automatically.

cgf

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Re: frequently getting a STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION exception under win7

2010-05-03 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 06:51:35PM +0300, Yuval Emek wrote:
I'm somewhat surprised that this problem was not reported before since
I know that my office mate suffers from it as well (she is also using
Windows 7 32 bits).

Since you and an office mate are both having the problem it would point
to some sort of BLODA problem.  Check for resident applications like
virus managers, firewalls, etc.

cgf

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Re: frequently getting a STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION exception under win7

2010-05-03 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 09:37:04PM +0300, Yuval Emek wrote:
I'll check it, but I don't think that this is the case because she is
experiencing this problem on her private laptop (in my case, it's the
company's laptop).

Any other suggestions?

Ok, then generalize this further: Since the mailing lists are not filled
with people reporting these failures, figure out what is similar between
your office mate and your system.

cgf

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Re: frequently getting a STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION exception under win7

2010-05-03 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 02:56:09PM -0400, Denis Beauchemin wrote:
Hello all,

I do get the same error msgs. Setup: Cygwin/X 1.7.6 (build 2010-03-22), 
win7-64, McAfee, etc.

McAfee, etc. would probably be a problem.

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Re: frequently getting a STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION exception under win7

2010-05-03 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 02:59:22PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 02:56:09PM -0400, Denis Beauchemin wrote:
Hello all,

I do get the same error msgs. Setup: Cygwin/X 1.7.6 (build 2010-03-22), 
win7-64, McAfee, etc.

McAfee, etc. would probably be a problem.

Another thing to try would be rebaseall if you haven't done so already.

cgf

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Re: libfreetype install errors

2010-04-22 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 02:32:16PM -0700, Daniel Povey wrote:
When installing Cygwin (I use apt-cyg to install packages) I
repeatedly get the following kind of errors
with libfreetype* packages.
This has happened to me multiple times on multiple different machines.
Does anyone know what this might be?

No, and this is not the mailing list to explore problems with apt-cyg.
Contact the author of that package if you have problems.

cgf

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Re: fvwm2 and startxwin

2010-03-01 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 04:32:06PM -0500, Stephen More wrote:
I have read: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using.html

I have figured out how to run fvwm2 using startx in windowed mode.

But how can I run startxwin with fvwm2 ?
   If I put fvwm2  inside of .startxwinrc I get:

   [FVWM][CatchRedirectError]: ERROR another WM is running

We *just* had a long thread about this:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2010-02/threads.html#00119

cgf

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Re: How do I start WM?

2010-02-23 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 07:11:09AM -0800, Joseph Ess wrote:
 To: XXX
 Cc: XXX
 Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 9:36:55 AM
 Subject: Re: How do I start WM?

There is no need to duplicate this.  It's all in the header.

 On 23/02/2010 14:11, Joseph Ess wrote:
  How do I start XWindows in full screen mode with OpenBox window manager? It
  used to be that I'd just put the command for the window manager at the end
  of startxwin.bat.  Now that file's gone away. I can't use startxwin.exe as
  it is multi-window only.  I can run XWin.exe, but the only command line or
  .XWinrc options I can find for that program are for Windows-specific
  functions(i.e. system tray icon).
 
 Read the documentation.
 
 http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using.html#using-starting-startx
 
 
 -- Jon TURNEY
 Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer
 From: Jon TURNEY jon.tur...@dronecode.org.uk

I've read the documentation.  The page you refer to mentions startxwin and 
startx.
As I mentioned before, startxwin is for multi-window only. 
startx apparently requires a Cygwin shell. I'm trying to start Cygwin/XWindows 
in full screen mode.
Is there something I missed?

From my reading of the documentation, it sounds like you'd get this behavior by
adding server options to startxwin:

  startxwin -- [ server options ]

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Re: How do I start WM?

2010-02-23 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:04:20AM -0800, Joseph Ess wrote:




- Original Message 
 From: Jon TURNEY jon.tur...@dronecode.org.uk
 To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com
 Cc: joseph_...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 1:49:56 PM
 Subject: Re: How do I start WM?
 
 On 23/02/2010 18:29, Joseph Ess wrote:
  Perhaps you should follow my suggestion and try it.
  
  I double-clicked on c:\cygwin\bin\startx.  It opens a
  dialog titled Open With that instructs one to Choose the program you
  want to use to open this file.
 
Does http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using.html#using-starting-startx say
to run startx by double clicking on it?  Not it does not.

Hint: that will not work as startx is bash script, which Windows
explorer has no idea how to run.

I say that I'm trying to replace a .bat file, which one could
presumable run by double-clicking on it, and you propose using a bash
script, which one cannot double-click on and then berate me for trying
it?

Assuming that a .bat file means I'm double clicking something is
actually sort of a stretch.

But, if you need a .bat files why not just put the call to startx in a
.bat file?  You'd have to set the PATH appropriately, of course.

It seems like you should be able to call startxwin.exe directly if
needed too.

cgf

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Re: Issue with the installation of Cygwin/X

2010-01-06 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 09:57:50AM -0600, akramuddin.x.moham...@verizon.com 
wrote:
Hi,
I am running into an issue when trying to install Cygwin/X. I am 
installing from http://x.cygwin.com/
When the setup.exe is run, after it shows the screen where we choose a 
site from a list, no matter what download site I choose, it throws this 
little pop-up, saying Warning: The current ini file is from a newer 
version of setup.exe. If you have any trouble installing, please download 
a fresh version from http://www.cygwin.com/setup.exe;
Please help me. 

The message is not lying.  You need to download the latest setup.exe
from http://cygwin.com/setup.exe.

If you've done that already then try clearing your browser cache and
proxy cache, if any.

cgf

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Re: Unrecognisable file format errors running setup.exe

2010-01-04 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:06:28PM -0800, Paul Loewenstein wrote:
Because I install Cygwin on multiple systems, I initially run setup.exe 
under wine (fedora 11) to download the files into a Samba-accessible 
directory  (Distribution/Cygwin/ on Cambridge), into which I also place 
setup.exe.

On a Vista system (I haven't tried to reproduce on XP), I then run the 
Samba-accessible setup.exe image to install from local directory.  This 
worked flawlessly under Cygwin 1.5.  For 1.7, I get repeated Cygwin 
Setup popup windows stating:  Can't open file 
//\\CAMBRIDGE\Distribution\Cygwin/ for reading:  Unrecogisable file 
format  (spelling reproduced as displayed).  Clicking OK button allows 
setup to continue.

Apart from this, setup.exe appeared to function correctly except for not 
generating a desktop icon.

Hopefully you're not seriously expecting anyone to debutg a problem where
you run setup.exe under wine to download to a samba system so that setup.exe
can be run on YA system.  That's hardly a common use case.

If this is something that you need debugged, I think you're going to have
to do it yourself.

cgf

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Re: Setup for basic development

2009-12-26 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 01:46:07PM -0800, xtheunknown0 wrote:

Hi, I've used various distros of Linux *just* long enough to know commands
like ls, cat, gcc something -o something, and cd. I was trying to setup
Cygwin but when I got to the window with stacks of checkboxes to tick or not
tick I got bewildered. What do I tick so that I can compile simple C
programs, use basic Unix commands, have Vim, ie. use a Linux shell to
replace Command Prompt?

This has nothing to do with Cygwin/X.  Please check out the mailing
lists at http://cygwin.com/lists.html and then decide to move to the
cygwin mailing list.

To answer your question, the basic Cygwin install will provide you with
the bash shell.  If you want 'vim', then check the 'vim' checkbox.  If
you want a compiler use 'gcc'.

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Re: how do I get help if I can't figure out how to do anything?

2009-12-04 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 09:44:34AM -0500, Wendel Dean Renner wrote:
Do you have a list of consultants? 
And it is not like I am ignorant of computers.  I write c++ code. 
Without help, who is going to be able to use anything provided?

What is a consultant?  Are you actualy saying that you will be willing
to pay someone to help you?  If not, then this list is your
consultant.  If so, then the answer is probably no.

It's free software so if you don't understand something then you read
the documentation.  If the documentation doesn't help then you ask in an
appropriate forum and are grateful when someone volunteers time to help
you.

cgf

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Re: xterm doesn't open on start (was: checkX problems)

2009-12-02 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 12:25:14AM +0100, Lothar Brendel wrote:
More information as promised, after getting the new run and checkX
(run2) packages announced this morning.

 $ checkX -v
 run2 0.3.2

0.3.2 announced? I didn't get any such message, and setup still only offers 
0.3.1-1 to me.

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2009-12/msg2.html
http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2009-12/msg00079.html

cgf

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Re: Cygwin X query Solaris Login page reloads

2009-11-02 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 04:37:43AM -0800, BharathX wrote:

Hi Guys,

This is my first post so please bear with me...

Actually, it's your sixth identical post.  Please correct the
malfunction which is causing this.

cgf

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Re: Xterm hangs with latest Cygwin (-62?)

2009-10-05 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 05:46:21PM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
On 05/10/2009 13:47, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
 And here's the problem.  Cygwin doesn't have TIOCSCTTY, and the only way
 to make a terminal a controlling tty in Cygwin is to call open() on it,
 which tcsh misses to do.  Bash, however, calls open(/dev/tty, O_RDWR),
 so bash doesn't have this problem.

Out of curiosity, what about implementing TIOCSCTTY?

It's something that we really should do.  I'll put it on my todo list.

cgf

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Re: Emacs-GTK hangs with dialog boxes

2009-09-24 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 08:41:47PM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
On 24/09/2009 18:35, Angelo Graziosi wrote:
 For completeness, I want to flag that my GTK build of Emacs has the same
 problem described here:
 http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2009-09/msg00051.html.

That has been fixed in the 20090920 snapshot.

 Practically, after starting Emacs,

 $ G_SLICE=always-malloc emacs -q 

 its first three icons on tool-bar (new file, read existing file, read
 directory) do not work. Emacs hangs for 20-30 seconds, and at prompt it
 writes:

 $ Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-graziosi/fam-
 (emacs:3556): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=3

 Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-graziosi/fam-
 (emacs:3556): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: FAMOpen failed, FAMErrno=3

 (emacs:3556): Gtk-WARNING **: Impossibile trovare il tipo di monitor
 predefinito per directory locali

 (emacs:3556): Gtk-WARNING **: Impossibile trovare il tipo di monitor
 predefinito per directory locali
 
 I think that the problem happens after a recent (one or two weeks)
 upgrading of gtk | glib | GNOME libraries, when Emacs showed new icons.

I would try the latest snapshot; this may have been fixed there as well.

I'm not aware of anything which would address this in the latest
snapshot.

cgf

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Re: Emacs-GTK hangs with dialog boxes

2009-09-24 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:19:26PM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
On 24/09/2009 20:47, Christopher Faylor wrote:
 I'm not aware of anything which would address this in the latest
 snapshot.

The Failed to connect to socket error from GIO was, AFAICS, a fork() 
issue like the others plaguing GTK+, in this case a timeout from libfam 
waiting for the gam_server socket.

Right.  The fork problem was fixed in the 20090920 snapshot.  There was
nothing fork-related in yesterday's snapshot.

cgf

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Re: [1.7] IPv6 accept() fails if address_len is sizeof(sockaddr_in6) [was Re: PATCH /usr/include/X11/Xtrans/Xtranssock.c [WAS: Re: xhost package not compiled for IPv6]]

2009-08-12 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 05:35:11PM +0200, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
I have applied a patch to accept(), btw.  This should now work in the
given scenario.  It occured to me that the returned value is incorrect
for AF_UNIX/AF_LOCAL sockets, but that was always the case and it's not
a regression.  Usually  the peer address of an AF_UNIX socket is not of
interest anyway.  I added that to my TODO list and probably fix that in
a later release.

A snapshot is coming soon.

cgf

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Re: X11R7.4 and Webex problem, X apps hang

2009-08-02 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 03:41:41PM +1200, Chris LeBlanc wrote:
Hello,

Just wanted to mention a bug I've seen with Cygwin, X11R7.4, and Webex
(a Java based meeting and collaboration tool, www.webex.com).  Webex
has the ability to share a users desktop or individual applications
with other people logged into the meeting.

I can run X11 apps from Cygwin nicely, but if I try to run a Webex
share application session, it will cause the X11 apps to hang.  I've
been able to use Webex and Cygwin/X prior to X11R7.4.

Unfortunately, there is no information in the X11 logfiles.  Also,
Webex is a closed source Java program, so I have no control over it.

As a test, I tried running a few Cygwin X apps, but using Xwin32
instead of Cygwin's X server (under Windows 2000).  This didn't crash
with Webex, which indicates there is some problem between Cygwin's X
and Webex's share application feature.  Cygwin is at version 1.5.25-15
(updated a couple weeks ago), xorg-server is at 1.5.3-7, and cygcheck
doesn't show any problems.

Sorry in advance for the vague bug report, but its a difficult problem
to debug.  I've suggested our company switch from Webex to a different
product (one that also works under Linux), but they prefer to use
Webex and have asked that I submit this as a bug report.

Given how webex operates, it sounds to me like this is more of a bug
in Webex than it is in Cygwin.

cgf

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Re: broken checkx on mirrors

2009-07-07 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:56:12PM +0200, Guenter Millahn wrote:
just now I tried an update of my CygWin.  I realized that
checkx-0.2.1-1.tar.bz is broken on all mirrors.

You haven't explained why you think this package is broken.  You
really need to do that.

cgf

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Re: Donate for text link

2009-07-02 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 02:54:05PM +0200, Martin Kicko wrote:
Hi Cygwin,

Thank you for great OSS project. I would like to make donation for you. 
Could you please place my text link on your homepage 
(http://www.cygwin.com/). It would link to my software downloads 
website, anchor text Software Download.

Please let me know.

This guy has been sending email to random addresses at sourceware.org.

I've blocked his ability to send any further email here.  Please don't
respond to him.

cgf

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Question for Corinna (was Re: Novice Question)

2009-06-29 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:09:12PM +0100, Jon TURNEY wrote:
Andy wrote:
 /opt/wip/cygport-svn/xorg-server/xorg-server-1.6.0-10/src/xorg-server-1.6.0/
 os/access.c
 (gdb) p *ifr
 $1 = {ifa_next = 0x1447798, ifa_name = 0x14474c4
 {B8B51884-C69A-4592-B65D-89ABB3DCF18D}, ifa_flags = 69635,
   ifa_addr = 0x14474f0, ifa_netmask = 0x14475f0, ifa_dstaddr = 0x0, ifa_data
 = 0x0}

:-)

It seems that the (new for Cygwin 1.7) getifaddr() function can return 
interfaces with IFF_BROADCAST  IFF_UP set, but no broadcast address, which 
the X server assumes never happens

I was going to say that this sounds wrong but I see interfaces on my
linux box which have no broadcast addresses but still have IFF_BROADCAST
set.

Corinna, what do you think?

cgf

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Re: fastpath 0 - xterm?

2009-06-29 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 02:29:30PM -0400, Tom Roche wrote:
Since I'm not seeing this in the FAQ, I wanted to propose the following
item: what would be required to go from zero to xterm?  I.e.  from a
Cygwin-less windows box (windows = 2k) to getting a Cygwin/X xterm up
on one's screen?

You do understand what the F in FAQ stands for, right?

cgf

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Re: XWin Server shortcut broken

2009-06-17 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 06:32:26PM +0100, Jon TURNEY wrote:
Frank Mori Hess wrote:

 I did an install of cygwin/x and the xwin server shortcut it installs in the 
 start menu didn't work.  I had to go into its properties and set the Start 
 in: field to C:\
 
 This may be due to the fact that my home directory is at H:\
 
 Running the command
 
 C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /usr/bin/startxwin.bat
 
 from the command prompt doesn't work if my current drive is H:\ but it does 
 work if I am on the C:\ drive.

Thanks for the bug report. This is a pretty obvious defect in the postinstall 
script which writes the shortcut, which means the shortcut fails when the 
cygwin installation and user profile are on different drives.

Actually, it's been a shortcoming since startxwin.bat was first introduced.

cgf

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Re: Windows 7 RC1 and Cygwin 1.7

2009-05-15 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:22:23PM -0700, Mike Ayers wrote:
P.S.  That was speculation.  Hopefully someone will have a real answer
soon.

This was already discussed in the main cygwin list.  There is a
workaround in the latest version of Cygwin 1.7.x.

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2009-05/msg00477.html

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Re: Error: Can't open display: 127.0.0.1:0.0

2009-05-04 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:10:39PM -0700, Drew Ackerman wrote:
 I know that this has been posted before but I can't find an answer in the 
 archives that work.

 The error message I'm getting is Error: Can't open display: 127.0.0.1:0.0

 My system info is:
 Windows XP
 Firewall exceptionPort number = 6000/TCP
 System VariablesDisplay=127.0.0.1:0.0 (I can ping 127.0.0.1 from 
 cygwin)

 /bin in ls -l cygwin1*
 -rwxr-x---+ 1 drewa mkgroup-l-d 1872884 Jun 12  2008 cygwin1.dll

 I'm at a loss as where to go to be able to get my xwindow program up and 
 going.  Any direction/suggestions are greatly appreciated.

You haven't provided any details about how you started the X server or what
is producing the error.

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Re: link broken

2009-03-26 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 04:27:29PM +0100, Ronald Fischer wrote:
The FAQ link on http://x.cygwin.com/, pointing to
http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/, always gives error 504 (gateway timeout).

Works just fine here.

cgf

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Re: Problem with cygwin-xfree mailimg list ?

2009-03-06 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 12:06:23PM -0600, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
Jon TURNEY wrote:
 Andr? Bleau wrote:
 .. that or Yaakov and John have taken very deserved vacations after
 killing the very last of the X server bugs, and every user in the
 world is using X happily ever since!
 
 It's quiet...too quiet...

At least until the upcoming update, which will surely stir things up. :-)

Heh, heh, heh...

cgf

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Re: Problem with cygwin-xfree mailimg list ?

2009-03-06 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:12:12PM -0500, jose isaias cabrera wrote:
Christopher Faylor wrote...
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 12:06:23PM -0600, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
Jon TURNEY wrote:
Andr?  Bleau wrote:
..  that or Yaakov and John have taken very deserved vacations after
killing the very last of the X server bugs, and every user in the world
is using X happily ever since!

It's quiet...too quiet...

At least until the upcoming update, which will surely stir things up.
:-)

Heh, heh, heh...

I hope the clipboard problem gets fixed...

I'm sure they will *claim* that it is fixed but that is just to mess with
your heads.

cgf

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Re: /usr/bin/startx fails on new x.org install?

2009-02-18 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 05:19:57PM +, Lloyd Wood wrote:
thanks for your /usr/bin/startx patch. (repeated as text below since the cygwin
mailing list bounces attachments, so probably didn't make it to the list.) 

The cygwin mailing list does not just generally bounce all attachments.  In 
fact,
we routinely ask for cygcheck output to be attached to problem reports.

Jon's attachment made it to the list just fine:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2009-02/msg00180.html

cgf

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Re: cant type in xterm after reboot

2009-02-11 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:55:35PM -0600, Paul Coene wrote:
I can install and run cygwin fine.  It works great. (Windows XP Home).

However, after my 1st reboot of the system, my xterm comes up (default
app) but I cannot type in the window.  I have found no way to repair
this other than a reinstall of the entire X component of cygwin.

Ideas?  This is really troublesome.

http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-i-cant-type-anything

cgf

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Re: Unable to load any usable iso8859 font

2009-02-03 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 05:04:08AM -0800, amorphia wrote:
Can I plead for developers, please please don't make setup.exe broken? I am
sure there are many many users like me who don't expect to have to be
monitoring some random mailing lists in order to work out what else you need
to do when running setup.exe with default options. Fine, if you make a
mistake with dependencies. But I think there must be a lot of other people
out there like me who are tech savvy enough to need cygwin but not tech
savvy enough for it to be a walk in the park when this happens, so surely
it's not OK to deliberately alter cygwin so that setup.exe no longer
installs everything you need for the most basic purpose, i.e. opening an
xterm window?

Huh?  This should be a typical scenario wherein you report a *problem*
and hope that someone will be available to help you fix it.  Once it is
fixed, then theoretically it will no longer be a problem.
Characterising this as somehow intentional or as the result of
inattention is insulting and counterproductive.

As you've found, the expectations that you can just blindly update to a
major new release and expect that there will not be any problems and
that you will not have to do any homework are obviously not working for
you.  You can try, if you want, to put the onus of perfection on the
people providing you with (free) software but you're going to be
fighting a losing battle.

If any of this bothers you then maybe you should investigate using a
commercial product where you can castigate the people you pay when their
installation experiences hiccups and is not a walk in the park.

cgf

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Re: cygwin and matlab 7.7 problems

2009-01-30 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 07:26:32PM -0600, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

Jon TURNEY wrote:
 Just running the cygwin setup.exe program will update to X11R7.4, unless
 you are taking special steps otherwise.  Perhaps you could work through
 http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/setup-cygwin-x-installing.html (now with
 up-to-date screenshots :-) ) and say which step gives you a problem? 
 Also, I'm not sure exactly how you are telling the packages you are
 finding are X11R6.8?

Thanks for the updated docs.  (Is there no mailing list notification of
CVS commits to the webpage?

Yes.  cygwin-webpages-cvs

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Re: How do you upgrade to XR117

2009-01-29 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 01:46:41PM -0800, jchas5 wrote:
I have been looking through the cygwin mirrors for the last two days
trying to find the X11R7 packages via setup.exe.  When I go to the X11
tab, I can not find any X11R7 packages.  I have tried to install them
twoce and all I get is X11R6.

Sorry if this a lame question, I just do know where to look, google
doesn't seem to provide any specific advice other than use the cygwin
setup.exe file and it will update automatically.

Any mirror that is available via setup.exe has the newest X.org
packages.

If you are looking for something called X11R7 that may part of your
problem.  setup.exe simply refers to the newer packages as X.org.

Otherwise, see the problem reporting guidelines mentioned here:

http://cygwin.com/problems.html

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Re: How do you upgrade to XR117

2009-01-29 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 02:08:27PM -0800, jchas5 wrote:
Well the reason I am thinking that I am not getting the X11R7 is that the 
/usr directory is showing X11R6 with a time stamp of my last install:

$ ls -ltr
total 0
drwxrwx---+  2 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 27 16:35 tmp
drwxrwx---+  2 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 27 16:35 src
drwxrwx---+  5 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 27 16:35 local
drwxrwx---+  9 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 27 16:37 X11R6
drwxrwx---+  6 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 27 16:38 ssl
drwxrwx---+  3 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 27 16:40 man
drwxrwx---+  4 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 27 16:40 sbin
drwxrwx---+ 39 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 27 16:46 include
drwxrwx---+ 49 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 28 10:30 share
drwxrwx---+ 36 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 28 10:30 lib
drwxrwx---+  2 jcklose mkgroup-l-d 0 Jan 28 13:48 bin

Unless it installs in the X11r6 directory in the /usr directory.

Larry suggested reading the release announcement:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2008-11/msg0.html

It discusses this.  The fact that you still have an X11R6 directory
doesn't mean that the newest version was not installed.

And, if you really require further help, then please don't ignore the
given advice and read this page: http://cygwin.com/problems.html .

cgf

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Re: Sourceware bugzilla

2009-01-19 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 01:10:23AM -0600, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
Could you make me (yselkowitz AT cygwin DOT com) the default
owner/assignee for the Cygwin/X component?

Done.

cgf

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Re: Sourceware bugzilla (was: Re: [patch 0/7] X server patchset)

2009-01-17 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:35:39PM -0600, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote:
Christopher Faylor wrote:
I'm probably stating the obvious, but if you wanted you could keep
track of patches in the sourceware bugzilla for cygwin-xfree.

I don't see cygwin-xfree listed as a separate project on sourceware
bugzilla.  There is a Cygwin/X component in the cygwin product, is that
what you meant?

I'm sorry that I wasn't completely precise but, yes, of course I meant
the Cygwin/X component.

cgf

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Re: Lesstif cannot be found

2008-12-29 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 07:30:49AM -, Graeme Kidd wrote:
http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.setup.setup It doesn't tell
you what to do with individual packages that you have downloaded.  The
Install from Local Directory option is only for files once they have
already been download from setup.exe.  It doesn't tell you how to add
files that have been downloaded elsewhere.

There is no reason to just download them.  Install them like you would
any other package, especially if you don't quite understand how all
this works.

 Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

As Yaakov says:

http://cygwin.com/problems.html

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Re: Cygwin 1.5.3 on vista - startx

2008-12-23 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 02:08:41PM -0500, Daniel A wrote:
Dear Cygwinnies,

I am just a newbie.

That's no excuse for calling us Cygwinnies.

I am using cygwin 1.5.3 on windows vista.  I would like to start an x
server using startx.  This results in a failure and the startx is shut
down.

I tried to reinstall xinit but the installation gets blocked at 99% of
the installation process and it never ends.  Could anyone tell me what
to do?

I'd start by going to x.cygwin.com and reading the FAQ.

Also, please read:  http://cygwin.com/problems.html

cgf

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Re: Updated: nedit-5.5-4

2008-12-21 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 09:15:44AM +, David Monksfield wrote:
 The following package was updated in the Cygwin distribution:
 *** nedit-5.5-4
 
 This release includes a patch for proper operation with X11R7.4.

Since the X server update, some NEdit windows won't resize any more.
I can't grab a corner, and the 'Resize' option in the window menu is 
greyed-out.

Examples include the 'Find...' and Replace...' dialogs and, more importantly,
the output from 'Shell' menu items that have their command output set to 
'dialog'.
I use this a lot, e.g. I have one for 'cvs diff'. The size of the output can 
vary
enormously, so it's important to be able to resize the dialog.

This definitely worked prior to the X11R7.4 upgrade.

Any idea how I can diagnose the problem?

Start here:

Problem reports:   http://cygwin.com/problems.html

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Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge

2008-12-12 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 09:51:11PM +0100, Andreas Eibach wrote:
From: Christopher Faylor
To: cygwin-xfree
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge

Why are you duplicating the headers of the email in the body of the
message?  There is no need for this repetition and you're feeding
spammers by adding email addresses there.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 02:45:17PM -0500, jose isaias cabrera wrote:
I don't mind the traffic of xfree, but the cygwin list has too much
traffic.

You have my mild sympathy.

Well, come to think of it, we could both merge cygwin + cygwin-xfree,
BUT also _resplit_ cygwin, but this time into cygwin 1.7 and
cygwin-the rest.  So the additional X traffic (which will be far less
than the 1.7 traffic I guess) is balanced better again.

just a thought.

The intent is to make 1.7 the default release of Cygwin.  There will
be no the rest in a month or two.

My sympathies are growing milder by the minute.

cgf

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Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge

2008-12-12 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 04:30:37PM -0800, Peter Farley wrote:
--- On Fri, 12/12/08, Christopher Faylor 
cgf-use-the-mailinglist-ple...@cygwin.com wrote:
Snipped
 My sympathies are growing milder by the minute.

I am only a lurker here just trying to keep track of events in
cygwin-X, but I do think your arguments for re-merging the lists are
not unreasonable.

It will mean change for those who have only been tracking cygwin-X,
and that's not always comfortable.  I frankly can't come up with any
solid reason to oppose the re-merge, so I guess that's a yes vote here.

Especially if you have already planned on using Mr.  Betts' ideas about
maintaining X-threads and links to the X-archives.

I responded to the message here but my clever mailer (which I programmed
myself so I only have myself to blame) only sent it to cygwin-xfree.

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-12/msg00295.html

Short answer: The only thing I'm considering is turning off the
cygwin-xfree list and removing hints of it from cygwin.com/lists.html.

cgf

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Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge

2008-12-12 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:10:53PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 04:30:37PM -0800, Peter Farley wrote:
--- On Fri, 12/12/08, Christopher Faylor 
cgf-use-the-mailinglist-ple...@cygwin.com wrote:
Snipped
 My sympathies are growing milder by the minute.

I am only a lurker here just trying to keep track of events in
cygwin-X, but I do think your arguments for re-merging the lists are
not unreasonable.

It will mean change for those who have only been tracking cygwin-X,
and that's not always comfortable.  I frankly can't come up with any
solid reason to oppose the re-merge, so I guess that's a yes vote here.

Especially if you have already planned on using Mr.  Betts' ideas about
maintaining X-threads and links to the X-archives.

I responded to the message here but my clever mailer (which I programmed
myself so I only have myself to blame) only sent it to cygwin-xfree.

Wow, that was clear.  I can't blame the mailer for a nonsensical sentence.

I responded to the message but my mailer only sent it to the cygwin
list.

cgf

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Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge

2008-12-11 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:00:43AM -0600, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
From: Christopher Faylor

The historical reasons for [un?]merging the cygwin and cygwin-xfree
lists no longer seems to exist so I am contemplating merging the two
lists.

For us old-timers, what were the historical reasons again, and why/how
did they go away?

Good question.  My email records don't go back far enough to know for
sure and I don't see anything telling in the mailing list archives.

I think that one of the early maintainers (maybe Suhaib Siddiqi) didn't
want to read the cygwin list to look for cygwin-xfree questions.

I believe I was actually somewhat reluctant to do the split because (I
know this will be hard to believe) I thought there would be end-user
confusion that would require a lot of use the other list shuttling.

OTOH, maybe I was actively insisting on it and relishing the chance to
tell people they were off-topic.

I'm just proposing this now because Yaakov asked about it and Jon
indicated that he would be ok with it.  Yaakov obviously reads both
lists and he has observed that the lines are sometimes blurred between
what's a X question and what isn't.

Do you have an opinion either way, Gary?

Another thing that occurred to me is that we could keep the two lists
and stop telling people that they *had* to ask questions about X here.

cgf

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cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge

2008-12-10 Thread Christopher Faylor
The historical reasons for merging the cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists no
longer seems to exist so I am contemplating merging the two lists.

If anyone has a compelling reason why this should not happen please send
it to one of the two lists.  If I don't hear a coherent argument against
doing this, I'll throw the switch over the weekend.

Btw, I'm only mildly sympathetic to arguments like It will be more
email for me.  I'm more concerned with having to constantly shuttle
people back and forth between the two lists.  Unless there is a
compelling argument to the contrary, I think that the fact that people
are confused about which list to use outweighs the increase in email
traffic for people who just want to hear about cygwin/x.

cgf

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Re: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge

2008-12-10 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 02:45:17PM -0500, jose isaias cabrera wrote:
I don't mind the traffic of xfree, but the cygwin list has too much
traffic.

You have my mild sympathy.

 - Original Message - From: Christopher Faylor 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:49 PM
 Subject: cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists to merge

 The historical reasons for merging the cygwin and cygwin-xfree lists no
 longer seems to exist so I am contemplating merging the two lists.

 If anyone has a compelling reason why this should not happen please send
 it to one of the two lists.  If I don't hear a coherent argument against
 doing this, I'll throw the switch over the weekend.

 Btw, I'm only mildly sympathetic to arguments like It will be more
 email for me.  I'm more concerned with having to constantly shuttle
 people back and forth between the two lists.  Unless there is a
 compelling argument to the contrary, I think that the fact that people
 are confused about which list to use outweighs the increase in email
 traffic for people who just want to hear about cygwin/x.

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Re: xview: hello word does not launch

2008-12-06 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 09:40:06PM -0600, Carl R. Crawford wrote:
The hello world example from the ORA books fails as follows:

XView warning: Cannot load font '-bh-lucida-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*'
(Font package)
XView warning: Cannot load font
'-bh-lucida-medium-r-normal-sans-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*' (Font package)
XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0 (Server package)

Is the cannot connect due to the font issues?

How can I get the program to run?

Do I need to recompile xview for the new version of X11?

It sounds like you need to install a font to me.

Run setup.exe again and choose a lucida font from the list.

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Re: Again A Window Opening Issue

2008-11-22 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 05:31:34PM +, Jon TURNEY wrote:
 Sascha Tayefeh wrote:
 Hi all!
 I am afraid I have to add another issue to the
 xserver-starts-but-no-windows-visible discussion. I have read and
 followed the advised given before, though, I did not succeed. 

 Please confirm that you have updated to 1.5.3-3, where this issue is 
 believed to be fixed.

 http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2008-11/msg00020.html

You can confirm package versions by running cygcheck -r -s -v and
attaching it to your email as suggested in:

 Problem reports:   http://cygwin.com/problems.html

cgf

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Re: Still problems starting X

2008-11-21 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 04:03:52PM +0100, Angelo Graziosi wrote:
 Jon TURNEY wrote:

 'run' can only hide the window of the process it directly starts, I would 
 guess.

 With X11R7.4 there is a window that seems related to the process which
 'run' starts, and a second window related, I think, to the need of writing:

 
 The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
 Warning: Type ONE_LEVEL has 1 levels, but RALT has 2 symbols 
 Ignoring extra symbols
 Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
 

 It would be useful to know the value of your CYGWIN environment variable, 
 specifically if it contains 'tty'

 Until now (I use Cygwin at least from May 2003) I never got the need to
 define CYGWIN. So I think it is undefined... or it has default values.

For cygwin bug reports, it is best to *attach* (not inline) the results
from running cygcheck -r -s -v rather than guessing.

cgf

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Re: cygwin-x-doc refresh

2008-11-20 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:57:38PM +, Jon TURNEY wrote:
 Christopher Faylor wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:14:33PM -0600, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA256

 Jon TURNEY wrote:
 I've finished off a first pass at updating the cygwin-x-doc package I 
 started
 some time ago.  Updating the text was a bit less traumatic than expected 
 as it
 makes good use of entities for things like filenames and paths

 Interestingly there are CVS repositories for this package at both
 sourceware.org and at X.org.  The X.Org one seems to be more up to date, 
 and
 seems to contain some (formatting) changes after the 1.0.4 package was 
 made.
 That's certainly possible, but given that X.Org CVS is obsolete (in
 favour of git) and neither of us have X.Org commit privileges, I think
 we should move development back to sourceware.
 I suspect that will mean that Jon will need write access to the CVS
 repository.  If so, he should fill out the handy dandy little form at:
 http://sourceware.org, select cygwin-xfree as the project and use either
 Yaakov or me as the approver.
 You can put whatever you like in this repository of course.

 Thanks.

 I have pushed cygwin-x-docs 1.0.4, then the current X.Org HEAD and then my
 changes to /cvs/cygwin-xfree/docs.

 I'm guessing I can't update the live version as it's in a different 
 repository.

If you update the documentation in the htdocs/xfree/docs/cg directory
they should show up on the web site automatically.  In fact, everything
under htdocs should work like that.

cgf

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Re: Alias problem with bash -l (was Re: New X server)

2008-11-20 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:37:51PM -0600, Ryan Stewart wrote:
Jon TURNEY wrote:
[...]
 It sounds like you have somehow lost -multiwindow from the command used to
 start the X server (so the server is operating in the default, windowed 
 mode).
[...]
 Run xterm +tb, or add XTerm*toolBar: false to ~/.Xdefaults

Awesome! Those were exactly what I was looking for, and I also learned
a few other things along the way. Thanks so much.

I'm having one other problem now, though, which might be a bug. When
bash is started with the -l (that's an 'L') flag, aliases that I've
defined in .bashrc don't take effect. My .bash_profile includes a call
to .bashrc, and I know that .bashrc is being executed because I've put
an echo at the beginning and end of it, and both messages are printed
out. Even if I execute .bashrc manually, it will print out the
messages, but I get no aliases. I can, however, manually enter
aliases, and they work.

I doubt that the base maintainer would be scanning the cygwin-xfree
mailing list looking for problem reports.

Please use the cygwin list for non-x-related problems.

cgf

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Re: cygwin-x-doc refresh

2008-11-20 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 06:54:42PM +, Jon TURNEY wrote:
 Christopher Faylor wrote:
 If you update the documentation in the htdocs/xfree/docs/cg directory
 they should show up on the web site automatically.  In fact, everything
 under htdocs should work like that.

 cygwin-xfree/htdocs doesn't exist.

 The web-pages appear to be in cygwin/htdocs/xfree/, but I can't write to 
 that.

 Perhaps this is a simple as adding a symlink?

Sorry.  You are right.  This is a different repository.  It's under the
cygwin htdocs directory.  You and Yaakov do have the rights to update
that.

Something like this (untested) should work:

cvs -d :ext:/cvs/cygwin co htdocs/xfree

cgf

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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:03:11AM -0500, Eric Roode wrote:
I updated my cygwin the other day, as I periodically do, and I am very
sorry I did so.  Here are some of the problems I have encountered.

So you just blindly updated without noticing that X was changing?  Wow.
It's amazing that you aren't being constantly burned by software updates
with that kind of optimistic attitude.

cgf

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Re: Upgrade woes.

2008-11-19 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 03:16:05PM -0800, Back, Michael wrote:
Chuck wrote:
I think the frustration on some people's behalf is that this question
has been asked (and answered) maybe 50 times already on the list.

Perhaps because people can't find the info.  they need in any other way
than posting to this list?

You seem to be missing the point that if it was discussed in the list
you can use the list archive as a resource.  You don't have to just
blindly send email assuming that no one else would ever have asked the
same question.

cgf

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Re: Unable to download org-x11 files

2008-11-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:59:22PM +0100, Kevin  Jan Mutch wrote:
None the files named xorg-x11. or X-start... are no longer listed by
Cygwin's setup. How can I install the Xserver?

xorg-server

See the announcement:

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2008-11/msg0.html

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Re: cygwin-x-doc refresh

2008-11-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 08:14:33PM -0600, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

Jon TURNEY wrote:
 I've finished off a first pass at updating the cygwin-x-doc package I started
 some time ago.  Updating the text was a bit less traumatic than expected as 
 it
 makes good use of entities for things like filenames and paths
 
 Interestingly there are CVS repositories for this package at both
 sourceware.org and at X.org.  The X.Org one seems to be more up to date, and
 seems to contain some (formatting) changes after the 1.0.4 package was made.

That's certainly possible, but given that X.Org CVS is obsolete (in
favour of git) and neither of us have X.Org commit privileges, I think
we should move development back to sourceware.

I suspect that will mean that Jon will need write access to the CVS
repository.  If so, he should fill out the handy dandy little form at:
http://sourceware.org, select cygwin-xfree as the project and use either
Yaakov or me as the approver.

You can put whatever you like in this repository of course.

cgf

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Re: problem with Xwin -multiwindow

2008-11-14 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 08:57:08PM -0800, Hormoz Yaghutiel wrote:
I installed the entire cygwin on my Windows Vista business 64 machine a
couple of days ago.  I have noticed some pecularities: No cygen icons
are created on the desktop even though I check marked it at the end of
the installation.
[snip]
What do I need to do to get XWin to run on my machine?

Problem reports:   http://cygwin.com/problems.html
Start here: ^^^

cgf

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Re: X server 1.5.3-2 candidate

2008-11-13 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 07:12:42PM -0600, Yaakov (Cygwin Ports) wrote:
Unfortunately I don't have a linux box to experiment with... :-(

There's always http://www.virtualbox.org/ if you want to get a virtual
linux system.

cgf

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The uncommon valor of Yaakov Selkowitz

2008-11-12 Thread Christopher Faylor
Yesterday, Yaakov released a new version of X for Cygwin, rectifying a
long-standing problem in the Cygwin distribution.

He was amazingly diligent in making sure that his upgrade did not break
the Cygwin distribution.  His new packages are laid out in a more
sensical fashion and attempt to rigorously provide a seamless upgrade
experience.  It was impressive to see how hard he worked to make things
work.

In addition to that, I know that he knows full well that there will be
lots of email from lots of users who used the old versions and now are
confused by the modern installation.  There will undoubtedly be bugs and
there will undoubtedly be repeated reporting of the bugs to the cygwin
lists.  I know that he will be noting all of the problems and rectifying
them where he can.  I've seen him do this with the already impressive
list of packages that he maintains and I'm confident that he will bring
this level of committment to the new Xorg release.

I really want to commend Yaakov for what he has done here.  It is a
relief to have the X packaging sorted out and to have active maintainers
in the cygwin-xfree mailing list.  We've been without active participation
in this project for many years.

(Although if history replays itself Yaakov will soon get a job offer from
a X-on-Windows company)

Yaakov deserves 10 gold stars for what he has done here but I don't
think that's enough to thank him for his work.  If you agree with me you
might consider going to http://cygwin.com/donations.html and donating
something to Yaakov in appreciation of all of his hard work both with
Cygwin/X and for the cygwinports project*.  I did that last week in
anticipation of Xorg release.  I hope you will consider doing something
similar.

cgf

*http://sourceware.org/cygwinports/

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Re: The uncommon valor of Yaakov Selkowitz *amended*

2008-11-12 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:17:43AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
Yesterday, Yaakov released a new version of X for Cygwin, rectifying a
long-standing problem in the Cygwin distribution.

He was amazingly diligent in making sure that his upgrade did not break
the Cygwin distribution.  His new packages are laid out in a more
sensical fashion and attempt to rigorously provide a seamless upgrade
experience.  It was impressive to see how hard he worked to make things
work.

In addition to that, I know that he knows full well that there will be
lots of email from lots of users who used the old versions and now are
confused by the modern installation.  There will undoubtedly be bugs and
there will undoubtedly be repeated reporting of the bugs to the cygwin
lists.  I know that he will be noting all of the problems and rectifying
them where he can.  I've seen him do this with the already impressive
list of packages that he maintains and I'm confident that he will bring
this level of committment to the new Xorg release.

I really want to commend Yaakov for what he has done here.  It is a
relief to have the X packaging sorted out and to have active maintainers
in the cygwin-xfree mailing list.  We've been without active participation
in this project for many years.

(Although if history replays itself Yaakov will soon get a job offer from
a X-on-Windows company)

Yaakov deserves 10 gold stars for what he has done here but I don't
think that's enough to thank him for his work.  If you agree with me you
might consider going to http://cygwin.com/donations.html and donating
something to Yaakov in appreciation of all of his hard work both with
Cygwin/X and for the cygwinports project*.  I did that last week in
anticipation of Xorg release.  I hope you will consider doing something
similar.

While I was writing the above I really wanted to also include an
additional big thanks to Jon Turney for contributing his technical
know-how to finally getting the Xorg server issues worked out.  But I
forgot.

Going forward, Jon and Yaakov are going to be tag-teaming the
maintenance of Cygwin/X.  So thank you Jon and apologies for not
mentioning you in my original email.

cgf

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