Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[Joseph Frazier]

Some wisdom  here "Protect your  people,  your family,  your honor.
Respect  the wiseness of the older  ones and  teach  the younger  ones
how  to be good  persons,  trying  to  keep pure their  hearts and souls.
Study all the days of your life,  never  stop  studying. Respect and
honor  your parents  and  your family's traditions.  Respect your
wife/husband and  your  eventual sons and  daughters. They  will be your
blood and flesh and you will live in their lives, even when your bones
become dust and your name becomes a pretty far memory. Don't be lazy or
selfish. Be grateful for being alive and keep surviving." Thank you
Cecilia. I also consider myself an Atheist, but I still firmly believe that
people with differing opinions from my own still deserve the respect I
would like them to give me. It brings a smile to my face to see this wisdom
being spread.

*Joseph Frazier*
*Relentlessly Focused Action*


On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Cecilia Tanaka 
wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 3:30 PM, juan  wrote:
> >
> > fuck the joos
>
> Sorry for disappointing you so much, my dear Juan.  It would be a
> gorgeous thing to do today, but Rayzer, my Jewish ex-boyfriend, and
> the most of my Jewish male single friends are pretty far from me,
> living in the USA.  So I think it would be much easier to me choosing
> between fucking an Atheist or fucking a Catholic.  Some special
> preference, dear?  hahaha!!!  ;D
>
> God, I swear I do still not understand why the heck you hate so much
> the Jewish people, Juan!  It's their religion, their faith, and should
> be respected as any other, my dear.
>
> You would like to study some of the Jewish principles, Juan.  They
> remember me a lot some of the most important Japanese beliefs:  -
> Protect your people, your family, your honor.  Respect the wiseness of
> the older ones and teach the younger ones how to be good persons,
> trying to keep pure their hearts and souls.  Study all the days of
> your life, never stop studying.  Respect and honor your parents and
> your family's traditions.  Respect your wife/husband and your eventual
> sons and daughters.  They will be your blood and flesh and you will
> live in their lives, even when your bones become dust and your name
> becomes a pretty far memory.  Don't be lazy or selfish.  Be grateful
> for being alive and keep surviving.  Always keep surviving to preserve
> your proud people's History alive, even after wars, holocausts, and
> nuclear bombs, my dear.
>
> And, of course, always make jokes...  Laughing makes the tears less
> bitter...  ;)
>

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[James A. Donald]

On 12/27/2017 8:39 AM, juan wrote:




So let's reverse the lunatic logic of the joo-kristian scum.

Why would a witch-doctor, pig-exorcist, be remembered after 2000
years and why would his lunatic  'teachings' 'conquer the
world'?


A religion is a synthetic tribe.   A state needs a tribe, and tribe 
needs a state.


Jewish religious tribalism was going nuts at the time, Roman paganism 
was dissolving in cynicism.


Also, Roman paganism had abandoned patriarchy, and as a result Romans 
had stopped reproducing.  Christianity retained Jewish patriarchy, so 
Christians were able to form families and reproduce.


Christianity is around because the state needed a religion, and because 
Christians had children.   Constantine founded state Christianity, which 
made a disintegrating state viable, and gave the state a ruling elite 
that was able to reproduce successfully, a program in due course 
imitated by Charles the Hammer, who proceeded to defeat Islam and found 
Europe.


Today, the ruling state religion is progressivism, but progressives, 
like Romans when their religion became decadent, cannot reproduce, and 
like Jews, when their religion became ever more insane in a holiness 
spiral, are engaged in ever more self destructive and warlike government 
policies.


Thus, self destruction, which requires replacement by a sane and 
patriarchal state religion.


Conservative Islam is adequately patriarchal, but, absent a Calif, tends 
to madness.  Maybe we will make Mormonism the state religion, or perhaps 
import Russia's eastern Orthodoxy.  Our current state religion, 
progressivism, cannot survive, the only question is whether everyone 
else perishes with it.

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[James A. Donald]

On 12/27/2017 8:17 AM, juan wrote:

yes - we - John and me - already discussed what sort of
lying joke wikipedia is.



Yes, Wikipedia lies all the time, but what in this case Wikipedia does 
is list a pile of historical evidence for Jesus the man, which evidence 
you keep saying does not exist.


So you have to refute that evidence, not just issue links to articles 
that deny the evidence exists.


And, just as the general circumstances make it inevitable that someone 
like Pontius Pilate must have existed, the general circumstances make it 
inevitable that someone like Jesus the man must have existed.


They don't make it inevitable, or even probable, that he rose from the 
dead etc, but they do make it inevitable that a prophet, indeed more 
than one prophet, would arise, and criticize the Jewish religious 
establishment for legalism and hypocrisy, and get executed for that.

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[ilsa]

Oh My God!  no seriously... As I walked religions I noticed it was like a
collecting magnet for like minded core values...So right here might be a
religion! Where is the flying pig emoji? smile

Ilsa Bartlett
Institute for Rewiring the System
http://ilsabartlett.wordpress.com
http://www.google.com/profiles/ilsa.bartlett
www.hotlux.com/angel 

"Don't ever get so big or important that you can not hear and listen to
every other person."
-John Coltrane

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 5:52 PM, John Newman  wrote:

>
>
> > On Dec 26, 2017, at 8:25 PM, grarpamp  wrote:
> >
> > Quite hilarious, ridiculous, depressing it is to see peoples
> > slaughtering each other over both that which they cannot prove and
> > that which they have not widely studied other systems in depth,
> > further that for which there exists no widely publicly witnessed
> > by the masses, in modern times, universally accepted by science as
> > to known or unknown origin, miracles, revelations, supernatural
> > phenomena, vision quest prophets or random bands of burning men now
> > standing up to scrutiny of professed vs evidence, or otherwise.
> >
> > Belief held and respected is one thing,
> > everything else is a complete joke.
> > So chill the fuck out, before someday someone,
> > many people, even you, get murdered over it.
>
> That’s already happened and happening. Religion is the opiate
> of the masses, or so they say - except I never caught anything like a
> a good morphine buzz from a bunch of delusional nonsense.
>
> Humanity needs to kick the fucking habit. It’s healthier ;)
>
>
> >
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irreligion
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_religion
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_religion_and_science
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Life
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Death
> > https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
>
>

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[John Newman]

> On Dec 26, 2017, at 8:25 PM, grarpamp  wrote:
> 
> Quite hilarious, ridiculous, depressing it is to see peoples
> slaughtering each other over both that which they cannot prove and
> that which they have not widely studied other systems in depth,
> further that for which there exists no widely publicly witnessed
> by the masses, in modern times, universally accepted by science as
> to known or unknown origin, miracles, revelations, supernatural
> phenomena, vision quest prophets or random bands of burning men now
> standing up to scrutiny of professed vs evidence, or otherwise.
> 
> Belief held and respected is one thing,
> everything else is a complete joke.
> So chill the fuck out, before someday someone,
> many people, even you, get murdered over it.

That’s already happened and happening. Religion is the opiate
of the masses, or so they say - except I never caught anything like a 
a good morphine buzz from a bunch of delusional nonsense.

Humanity needs to kick the fucking habit. It’s healthier ;)


> 
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irreligion
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_religion
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_religion_and_science
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Life
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Death
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Re: Current State of Mailing Lists / Forums about Internet Freedom, Security and Privacy?

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 05:26:32PM -0800, ilsa wrote:
> I might not have computer language skills but I am one of you.  I never
> spoke up before but doing this is part of my grieving process. If there is
> a true kind person who might give me a helping hand with my privacy needs,
> find a way to let me know.

Having genuine privacy in this day and age is a genuinely difficult
thing - and the shekel grabbers ridding humans of pesky private cash
are galloping as fast they can to the distopian 1984 and the like.

There is no silver bullet. Wish there were...

No silver bullet operating system. Nor user software. Nor hardware.

Almost everything is compromised somewhere.

Libre software is your only hope for a better future, but it will
require libre hardware for an actual long term shift.

Libre hardware is a ways off (for "years" values of "a ways").

Sorry, no easy answer, except stop putting your information online -
you should already be aware that Googoyle, Faceblots, Twatter and the
rest are absolute privacy violators - in fact, they are "your data"
government funnels, direct to the NSA, CIA, FBI, Police, Mil, and
your government reps.

The only way forward is spending your human attention on things that
have an actual foundation of libre ...

Good luck,

Re: Current State of Mailing Lists / Forums about Internet Freedom, Security and Privacy?

[ilsa]

Please Know that I Care ..I have NO computer skills that I did not copy or
follow Anthony P. Though he is gone I hope to get to know those who would
bother with a Green Horn... I wanted you to know I stand With the freedom
loving service especially as the tracks are going in as everything is
dependent on levels of the global code dances and where important stories
are given time to develop.  I once had just One Date with a tall handsome
security dud who told me, his face so close to my nose, that I could feel
the warmth of his breath, " I did a full search to see if you were real".
Imagine what I was thinking as I slide back in my chair and lifted my
single malt small island scotch.
I might not have computer language skills but I am one of you.  I never
spoke up before but doing this is part of my grieving process. If there is
a true kind person who might give me a helping hand with my privacy needs,
find a way to let me know.
I just wanted to say ...Happy season of the  time to rest and party no
matter what your core stories are, I am so glad You Are All Here and I have
been lucky to read and sometimes act on what you are talking about... yea,
run on sentence...

Have any of y'all written a book?  I am working on an autobiography, anyone
know good editors or agents and so forth?
Somewhere beyond a dream, with..
Respect and Gratitude, Smile

Ilsa Bartlett
Institute for Rewiring the System
http://ilsabartlett.wordpress.com
http://www.google.com/profiles/ilsa.bartlett
www.hotlux.com/angel 

"Don't ever get so big or important that you can not hear and listen to
every other person."
-John Coltrane

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 09:27:58AM -0800, BM-
> 2cxcavedtjwvdvxg9hempzp8k5uaakz...@bitmessage.ch wrote:
> > Does anyone have an option about how the things going on today? Any
> > explanations of the current state of the Internet communities?
>
> Bitcoin fever.
>
> The anarchists who are not so besotten with greed, actually conceive,
> and create.
>
> The so besotten clamour and cling, ride waves of profit for their
> personal foundations of greed, lust, glory and the rest.
>
> And so the few who actually care, who sought (some still seek) a
> genuinely "better" future, are drowned out in the deluge of human
> foibles - and right now those foibles are turbocharged with $20,000
> per coin "inspiration".
>
> Cést la humanité.
>
>
> > And what is your recommendation of a good online fourm for general
> > discussion of freedom, security and privacy?
>
> Right here.
>
> Those other lists are censored.
>
> If you genuinely have genuine interest, there's a few ’round these
> parts that'll chime in and help set your misthoughts straight (at
> least, on the technical side :) - for everything else, there's
> Mircard :D
>

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[grarpamp]

Quite hilarious, ridiculous, depressing it is to see peoples
slaughtering each other over both that which they cannot prove and
that which they have not widely studied other systems in depth,
further that for which there exists no widely publicly witnessed
by the masses, in modern times, universally accepted by science as
to known or unknown origin, miracles, revelations, supernatural
phenomena, vision quest prophets or random bands of burning men now
standing up to scrutiny of professed vs evidence, or otherwise.

Belief held and respected is one thing,
everything else is a complete joke.
So chill the fuck out, before someday someone,
many people, even you, get murdered over it.

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irreligion
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_religion
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_religion_and_science
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Life
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Death
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Fwd: [Cryptography] Two articles on what is and isn't money

[grarpamp]

A patron tries to pay with cash at the West 40th Street location of
Dos Toros Taqueria, only to learn that only credit or debit cards are
accepted. The Two Forks chain also does not take cash. Visa recently
offered select merchants a $10,000 reward to switch away from cash
transactions. “I was shocked,” said David, a 66-year-old accountant
who popped into Dig Inn for lunch a few hours before Ms. Bryant. (He
declined to give his surname because “I’m a private person.”) “This is
very unusual to me.” “My reaction was ‘Jesus, a New York City
restaurant that records all its revenue? How can they stay in
business?’ ”the credit card companies, who make a commission on every
credit card purchase, applaud the trend. Visa recently offered select
merchants a $10,000 reward for depriving customers of their right to
pay by the method of their choice.He was told he could not pay with
cash. He handed over his credit card. There was a problem with the
card reader, or maybe the Wi-Fi. In any case, the machine was down.
The cashier apologized and said the ice cream was on the house.


-- Forwarded message --
From: John Levine 
Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 3:53 PM
Subject: [Cryptography] Two articles on what is and isn't money
To: cryptogra...@metzdowd.com


NY Times: Cash Might Be King, but They Don't Care

As restaurants in New York stop accepting cash, they are surprised how
few people care, or even notice.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/25/nyregion/no-cash-money-cashless-credit-debit-card.html

FT: Israeli regulator becomes latest to crack down on bitcoin

Israel bars bitcoin trading companies from Tel Aviv stock exchange
because "Nobody knows what stands behind this."  On the other hand,
they're considering a digital shekel for mobile payments.

http://click.notice.ft.com/f/a/Z3B0L0Bul4__oT5GvASd6g~~/AQA~/RgRcJTWpP0RaaHR0cHM6Ly9naWZ0YXJ0aWNsZS5mdC5jb20vZ2lmdGFydGljbGUvYWN0aW9ucy9yZWRlZW0vMTI5Yjk0MDgtOWFiNi00OGFjLWE4NTgtYmFlMTIyZDNkNzcxVwhmaW50aW1lc1gEAEIKAAGpsEJam7gDKA~~

R's,
John
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Re: [d...@horsfall.org: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Charles Babbage!]

[John Newman]

> On Dec 26, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
> 
> On Dec 26, 2017 18:41, "grarpamp"  wrote:
> 
> TUHS and Minnie go way back.
> 3c501 and MFM/RLL/ESDI, who still has those :)
> Props, and to those who were and are there.
> 
> Did I mention today how much I love you, my dear grarpamp?  More than I love 
> cute cupcakes, aww!  <3
> 
> Oh, God, now I am very, very curious and feeling a stupid noob...  Well, I 
> definitely am a complete noob, considering the only Minnie that I know is 
> Mickey's girlfriend, d'oooh!  #fail  #sorry  :P

Haha, Minnie is the server that hosts The Unix Heritage Society (TUHS)
mailing list :).  Minnie.tuhs.org.  I believe the name dates back to when it 
ran on Minix... there’s some info at the site.

As for TUHS, I just lurk on that fascinating and entertaining list, and try to
read as much of it as I have time for...

Cheers
John

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 10:37:30AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 05:57:22AM +1000, James A. Donald wrote:
> > On 12/27/2017 2:16 AM, juan wrote:
> > > > There is contemporary evidence
> > > > of the existence of Pontius Pilate... There is *no contemporary*
> > > > evidence for Jesus
> > 
> > You are a liar and a fool.
> > 
> > The contemporary evidence for Pontius Pilate is exactly the same as the 
> > contemporary evidence for Jesus.  Josephus was
> > there, and he mentions both of them.
> > 
> > Further, it is obvious that someone resembling Pontius Pilate had to exist, 
> > because the Roman Empire dominated that
> > region,
> > and it is obvious that prophets resembling Jesus the man had to
> > exist, because the rabbis were in a holiness spiral,
> 
> For those (like me) who missed the memo, it means pretty much what it
> says - “turbocharged virtue signalling feedback loop”:
> 
> https://greyenlightenment.com/holiness-spirals/

The antidote is that form of troll mastery aptly demonstrated by the
daily stormers, where one takes a virtue-signal, carefully and
clearly names the "vice" that this particular virtue-signal claims to
oppose, then claims and dances vigorously in proud ownership all over
the grave of that virtue-signal, all whilst merrily living (or
pretending to live) the supposed "vice", bringing mirth and merriment
to many who view the "shocking" memes which flow out from said
grokking.

Be a proud and masterful sock-puppeteer, with images of Kek socks
mouthing off, whilst all the while it's just little old you with your
arm up that sock (and a Gimp instance or three) churning out the
green sock memes :)

Or "subtly" plagiarising your own words - oooh, what a sin!  You
naughty, naughty Goy!

Or evilly grabbing a green Kek puppet "by the pussy" - Snowflakes be
warned, there's a missing TRIGGER WARNING just above, letting you
know that the words "grab" and "pussy" appear in the same paragraph,
and your emotional response to those two words is the very reason
those two grabbing words are repeated by the trolls, over and over
again - thus raising the temperature of your anger meter and
demonstrating to the world what an internal pussy you are :D

So grab a meme and expose a pussy today… and perhaps Juan's wet dream
will be stopped in its Nazi Panzer tracks.

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 05:57:22AM +1000, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 12/27/2017 2:16 AM, juan wrote:
> > > There is contemporary evidence
> > > of the existence of Pontius Pilate... There is *no contemporary*
> > > evidence for Jesus
> 
> You are a liar and a fool.
> 
> The contemporary evidence for Pontius Pilate is exactly the same as the 
> contemporary evidence for Jesus.  Josephus was
> there, and he mentions both of them.
> 
> Further, it is obvious that someone resembling Pontius Pilate had to exist, 
> because the Roman Empire dominated that
> region,
> and it is obvious that prophets resembling Jesus the man had to
> exist, because the rabbis were in a holiness spiral,

For those (like me) who missed the memo, it means pretty much what it
says - “turbocharged virtue signalling feedback loop”:

https://greyenlightenment.com/holiness-spirals/



> prophets would
> have condemned this, and would have been executed for condemning
> it.
> 
> Various prophets are listed as doing this, and dying because of it, Jesus and 
> a couple of Christians being prominent
> on the list.

Re: [WAR] - Re: (53) Gaddafi's Prophecy, 2011 - "Europe will turn black" - YouTube

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 01:28:51PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 12/26/2017 04:04 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> 
> >   Gaddafi nationalised the oil producing industry.
> >   He promised that the huge profits would be fairly distributed across
> >   the entire country.
> >   All Libyans began to receive their share of the Libyan oil trade.
> > 
> >   "When the people can see that a certain leader is raising the
> >standard of living, of course he will have a lot of support."
> 
> 
> Gaddafi committed the one sin that could not be abided. He proposed to put 
> Libya's currency to a gold standard, and
> further planned to accept gold only as payment for their oil exports. The 
> Hillary Mafia smelled blood in the water. He
> had to die.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DXDU48RHLU
 
Indeed.

Re: [Cryptography] Bitcoin theft and the future of cryptocurrencies

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 03:11:36PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 09:41:55 -0500
> John Newman  wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Interesting. I always bought coins directly from a guy who was happy
> > to take my money, at a cost to me only slightly above TX fee, and
> > send coin straight to my wallet(s). The whole concept of the KYC
> > requirements of all the major online exchange sites seemed both
> > antithetical to BTC and dangerous.
> 
> 
>   It's a disaster. 
> 
>   
> https://blog.coinbase.com/kathryn-haun-joins-coinbase-board-of-directors-65b4d4c4e65f
> 
>   
> https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-is-tracking-how-users-spend-their-bitcoins
> 
>   
> https://motherboard.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/ywnmkk/coinbase-irs-14000-bitcoin-tax
> 
> 
>   oh and coinbase was literally 'founded' by goldman sachs scum .


Taxation is “necessary” so that the Oldman GoliSachs can keep taking
their 10% yearly cut from "society" without paying anything back,
whilst the sheeple pay their own way, pay "for the poor", AND pay the
10% annual (govt) interest fee so Goldman Oilisarchs can get another
"free" despot payment this year, under the banner of democracy of
course.

Re: Current State of Mailing Lists / Forums about Internet Freedom, Security and Privacy?

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 09:27:58AM -0800, 
bm-2cxcavedtjwvdvxg9hempzp8k5uaakz...@bitmessage.ch wrote:
> Does anyone have an option about how the things going on today? Any
> explanations of the current state of the Internet communities?

Bitcoin fever.

The anarchists who are not so besotten with greed, actually conceive,
and create.

The so besotten clamour and cling, ride waves of profit for their
personal foundations of greed, lust, glory and the rest.

And so the few who actually care, who sought (some still seek) a
genuinely "better" future, are drowned out in the deluge of human
foibles - and right now those foibles are turbocharged with $20,000
per coin "inspiration".

Cést la humanité.


> And what is your recommendation of a good online fourm for general
> discussion of freedom, security and privacy?

Right here.

Those other lists are censored.

If you genuinely have genuine interest, there's a few ’round these
parts that'll chime in and help set your misthoughts straight (at
least, on the technical side :) - for everything else, there's
Mircard :D

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[juan]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 08:27:46 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> On 12/27/2017 6:35 AM, juan wrote:
> > again, your mental vomits have been addressed multiple
> > times.
> 
> You just repeat your lies over and over without explanation or
> argument.
> 
> Repetitious assertion is unconvincing.
> 
> One may reasonably doubt the existence of Christ the God, doubt that 
> Jesus the man rose from the dead, 

sane, honest people dont 'reasonably doubt' that sort of lunatic
garbage you mention. They OUTRIGHT REJECT IT in a split
second. 

you are of course a lying cunt trying to twist the most basic
standars of evidence and rationality, pretending that a
motherfuckingly stupid lie such as  "joe six pack was
resurrected after 3 days" can be 'politetly' 'doubted'.

there's nothing to doubt about some random scum being an
'immortal god' : it's the most retarded lie scammers can come
up with. There's no 'doubt' about the nature of those fucking
SELF-EVIDENT FALSEHOODS.



> but to doubt that Jesus the man
> lived, preached, and was executed, is just nuts.
> 
what is completely nuts is joo-kristianity and its suporters
(you)

As to the existence of some random joo witch doctor who scammed
people 2000 years ago, the 'reasonable doubt' position is to
assume he didn't exist at all unless hard evidence is provided. 

Now, when you couple the fact that there's no evidence, and
that the hole story is a political plot of the most corrupt
theocracy on the planet, then 'reasonable doubt' clearly leads
to the conclusion that there never was any 'jesus' who
'founded' KKKristianity. 

Re: [WAR] Telling a tall/Torah story

[James A. Donald]

On 12/18/2017 12:24 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

  Someone rewrote the Torah to declare that the Holy Land extends from
  the River of Egypt (i.e., the Nile) to the River Euphrates. This is
  false! Nabī Ibrahīm (‘alaihi al-Salām) had to migrate from Babylon
  and travel a long distance in order to reach the Holy Land.


Old Testament unambiguously gives most of the middle east, rather 
vaguely defined, to the Jews.


Arabs don't seem to be doing a very good job of governing themselves, 
but on the other hand, Jewish governance of Arabs has been piss poor also.


To fulfill biblical prophecies, would need to deliver a better quality 
of governance.


Which an Ashkenazi Israel could do, if it had the right motivations and 
incentives.  Unfortunately, the official state religion of Israel is not 
Judaism, but progressivism, whose incentives we saw on display in Haiti, 
where a bunch of people from Harvard stole all the aid and left pregnant 
women eating dirt contaminated with human feces, resulting in cholera 
epidemic.


Also, looks like Israel will finish the job that Hitler started, and 
eradicate the Ashkenazi, in which case there is no likelihood that the 
prophecies will be fullfilled.

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[juan]

So let's reverse the lunatic logic of the joo-kristian scum. 

Why would a witch-doctor, pig-exorcist, be remembered after 2000
years and why would his lunatic  'teachings' 'conquer the
world'? Well of course because the pig-exorcist is g-d - and it
fucked itself, gave birth to itself, resurrected itself, etc.
Obviously a pig-exorcist with such super-magical-pig powers
would be remembered forever.

Except for the little detail that  the joo g-d doesn't exist and
pig-exorcists can't resurrect themselves. They can't exorcise
pigs either

So why would an ordinary, fake pig exorcist  who allegedy
lived 2000 years ago be remembered today?  The only reason for
such lunatic horror tales to be remembered and become the
central intellectual cancer of western 'civilization' is thanks
to a vast conspiracy of theocrats who managed to ally
themselves with the roman empire and all the statist scum that
came after it. 

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[James A. Donald]

On 12/27/2017 6:35 AM, juan wrote:

again, your mental vomits have been addressed multiple times.


You just repeat your lies over and over without explanation or argument.

Repetitious assertion is unconvincing.

One may reasonably doubt the existence of Christ the God, doubt that 
Jesus the man rose from the dead, but to doubt that Jesus the man lived, 
preached, and was executed, is just nuts.

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[juan]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 07:02:29 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> On 12/27/2017 6:35 AM, juan wrote:
> > if you stupid lying cunt are unable to read a couple of
> > basic articles and understand them,
> 
> The articles you cite lie:  See wikipedia on this topic:


yes - we - John and me - already discussed what sort of
lying joke wikipedia is. 

Notice also how a brain-dead right-wing theocratic fascist
(you) invoke a 'liberal' progressive joke like wikipedia to
'prove' your arch-conservative nonsense. Priceless.

Do you see how right wingers and 'progressives' are mirror
images?  

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[juan]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 06:31:24 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> Someone like Jesus the man had to exist, in that the rabbis were
> engaged in a holiness spiral,

"holiness spiral" - what could such meaningless lunatic vomit
mean? Oh wait. it is meaningless vomit.


>  a holiness spiral will get called out
> by prophets, and then those prophets get suppressed, and someone like
> Pontius Pilate had to exist, in that the Roman Empire ruled the area,
> and history records Jesus as one of those prophets, and Pontius
> Pilate as one of the Roman Empire's administrators.


gotta love lunatic 1000% circular logic

the fraud jesus gotta exist because the story is a frraud. 



> 
> And if our records of Jesus the man are a bit thin, our records of 
> Pontius Pilate are not a whole lot thicker.

there was no jesus the man 

Re: [d...@horsfall.org: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Charles Babbage!]

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Dec 26, 2017 18:41, "grarpamp"  wrote:

TUHS and Minnie go way back.
3c501 and MFM/RLL/ESDI, who still has those :)
Props, and to those who were and are there.


Did I mention today how much I love you, my dear grarpamp?  More than I
love cute cupcakes, aww!  <3

Oh, God, now I am very, very curious and feeling a stupid noob...  Well, I
definitely am a complete noob, considering the only Minnie that I know is
Mickey's girlfriend, d'oooh!  #fail  #sorry  :P

Re: [d...@horsfall.org: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Charles Babbage!]

[grarpamp]

TUHS and Minnie go way back.
3c501 and MFM/RLL/ESDI, who still has those :)
Props, and to those who were and are there.

HookTube

[Cecilia Tanaka]

Hey, cute guys and girls!  Did someone here already try to use the
HookTube?  Is really trustful or too good for being real?   Should I run
away shouting hysterically "It's a trap!!!"?  Hahaha!!!  ;D

==

#  https://hooktube.com 

"Share YouTube videos without giving them views. Bypass country blocks and
age restrictions. Download YouTube videos and music. View quarantined
videos as they appeared before YouTube Heroes got to them. Keep your data
private from the G.

HOW: Just replace the domain in any YT link with hooktube.comand you get a
light-weight page that loads YouTube's media files (mp4, webm, etc)
directly into your browser's native media player.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=S6bOkFLrsAc becomes
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=S6bOkFLrsAc, etc. Supported parameters: start,
end, loop (1 for on), speed (range: 0.01 to 4), autoplay (0 for off,
default is 1)."

==
Thank you in advance for any tip or opinion, public or private, dear all!
:D

Tender kisses and tight hugs, in special to Ilsa and Marina!  I am very
proud of your inner strength, girls!  Take care, everybody!  <3

Ceci, still depressed, but f_cking curious as always, haha!!  :D
--
"Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your
curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all
you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[James A. Donald]

On 12/27/2017 6:35 AM, juan wrote:

if you stupid lying cunt are unable to read a couple of basic
articles and understand them,


The articles you cite lie:  See wikipedia on this topic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

	Modern scholarship has largely acknowledged the authenticity of the 
reference in Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 of the Antiquities to "the brother of 
Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James"[12] and considers it 
as having the highest level of authenticity among the references of 
Josephus to Christianity.[13][1][2][14][15][16] Almost all modern 
scholars consider the reference in Book 18, Chapter 5, 2 of the 
Antiquities to the imprisonment and death of John the Baptist also to be 
authentic and not a Christian interpolation.[17][18][19] The references 
found in Antiquities have no parallel texts in the other work by 
Josephus such as The Jewish War, written 20 years earlier, but some 
scholars have provided explanations for their absence.[20] A number of 
variations exist between the statements by Josephus regarding the deaths 
of James and John the Baptist and the New Testament accounts.[17][21] 
Scholars generally view these variations as indications that the 
Josephus passages are not interpolations, for a Christian interpolator 
would have made them correspond to the New Testament accounts, not 
differ from them.[17][22][21]


In this, Wikipedia accurately reports the official consensus of official 
academia:


However, on the dating of the gospels, the the official consensus of 
official academia is evidently untruthful, dating the gospels to after 
the fall of the temple and Jerusalem, because the gospels report Jesus 
as prophesying the fall of the Temple and Jerusalem.  And they figure no 
one could have seen that coming.


But you would expect someone who was critical of the holiness spiral 
going on at the time to prophesy the fall of Jerusalem, regardless of 
whether divinely inspired, God himself, or just another man like myself 
holding up his finger to see which way the wind blows.


We can be sure that all four primary gospels were written before 70 C.E, 
because Jesus' prophecies concerning the fall of Jerusalem and the 
temple were vague, shifty, evasive and unfalsifiable, even though it was 
obvious at the time that the wind was blowing towards suicidal and self 
destructive war with the Roman empire


Had they been written up after the fall of Jerusalem, they would have 
been remembered as much more specific concrete, and detailed.


Shortly before the fall of Jerusalem, Christians did get specific and 
concrete prophecies about the fall (but by that time it was pretty 
obvious what was going to come down) and those more concrete prophecies 
were not misattributed to Jesus.

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[James A. Donald]

On 12/26/2017 11:26 PM, John Newman wrote:



On December 25, 2017 1:26:52 AM EST, juan  wrote:

On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 10:50:59 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

to address the mental christian vomits of supreme right wing
'libertarian' donald

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/History/jesushistory.html




JESUS CHRIST - NO HISTORICAL EVIDENCE

IN ONE OF THE MOST CAREFULLY DOCUMENTED PERIODS OF ROMAN AND ANCIENT
HISTORY
The time that Jesus Christ supposedly existed is one the most heavily
documented periods in ancient history.  Yet there is virtually zero
historical evidence of his supposed existence in any contemporary
historical record.  It is also important to understand that an absolute
reign of terror was instituted when Christianity seized power in the
Roman Empire as documented in our Christian Totalitarianism Report.
The Church appointed an official historian of dubious ethics, Eusebius,
to write an official history.  Meanwhile, Christian launched the
largest book burning campaign in history, destroying a vast part of the
wisdom and history of the ancient world forever.

The Account of Josephus is a Fraud

When discussing the alleged existence of Jesus Christ, one piece of
"evidence" that frequently gets mentioned is the account of Flavius
Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from 37 to
100 C.E. In Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews there is a notorious
passage regarding Christ called the "Testimonium Flavium."

"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to
call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,--a teacher of
such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both
many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and
when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had
condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not
forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the
divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful
things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him,
are not extinct at this day." (Whitson, 379).

This brief piece of evidence which supposedly contributed the best
"proof" of Jesus's existence has actually been proven to be a fraud. It
has been demonstrated continuously over the centuries that "Testamonium
Flavium" was a forgery manufactured by the Catholic Church, and was
inserted into Josephus's works. The Testamonium Flavium account is so
thoroughly refuted, that biblical scholars since the 19th century have
refused to refer to it, unless to mention its false nature.

Dr. Gordon Stein gives a further explanation for this forgery. The
History of Jesus: A Reply to Josh McDowell.

Another source is The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled.

First Written Accounts of Jesus's Life Occur Decades After His
Purported Existence

Most written accounts of the life of Jesus did not exist until a couple
decades after his purported existence. These accounts were presented by
a number of different authors and had somewhat conflicting stories
about his existence. These written accounts are known as the Gospels.
Also, it is worth knowing that not all of the gospels that were written
even made their way into the bible. Only four gospels became the
canonical writings for the church. The rest were burned, destroyed or
lost. Historians estimate that the first written gospel, the gospel of
Mark, was written sometime after 70 C.E, which means that at the
earliest, it would have been written 40 years after the alleged
crucifixion of Jesus.


We can be sure that all four primary gospels were written before 70 C.E, 
because Jesus' prophecies concerning the fall of Jerusalem and the 
temple were vague, shifty, evasive and unfalsifiable, even though it was 
obvious at the time that the wind was blowing towards suicidal and self 
destructive war with the Roman empire


Had they been written up after the fall of Jerusalem, they would have 
been remembered as much more specific concrete, and detailed.


Shortly before the fall of Jerusalem, Christians did get specific and 
concrete prophecies about the fall (but by that time you did not have to 
be a weatherman to see which way the wind was blowing) and those more 
concrete prophecies were not misattributed to Jesus.

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[juan]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 05:57:22 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> On 12/27/2017 2:16 AM, juan wrote:
> > > There is contemporary evidence
> > > of the existence of Pontius Pilate... There is *no contemporary*
> > > evidence for Jesus
> 
> You are a liar and a fool.]


again, your mental vomits have been addressed multiple times. 

if you stupid lying cunt are unable to read a couple of basic
articles and understand them, then too bad, but "argumentum ad
lying cunt" remains a fallacy : "argumentum ad ignorantiam" 
 
for ihe 'record' - it's a fact that josephus didn't write
anything abut 'jesus' and that a forged paragraph was added to
the book. 


now humour me : why does an utter piece of fascist shit
like you are promoting the most anti-libertarian stuff
ever, on this list? 

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[James A. Donald]

On 12/26/2017 11:24 PM, John Newman wrote:

There is contemporary evidence
of the existence of Pontius Pilate... There is *no contemporary*
evidence for Jesus. Even if you consider Josephus a
contemporary, which he isn't, it is widely accepted that the
few lines  "he scribbled" on Jesus are a much later
interpolation, a forgery done by some devout
who was embarrassed at the paucity of evidence for the
messiah.


It is plausibly *suspected* that *one* of Josephus's references to Jesus 
is a forgery, or more likely was improved by a Christian editor.


There is no reason to doubt his other references to Jesus.

Further, we have multiple references to the disciples of Jesus. That his 
movement existed is undeniable.


We know that Jesus the man existed the same way we know that Pontius 
Pilate existed:


Someone like Jesus the man had to exist, in that the rabbis were engaged 
in a holiness spiral, a holiness spiral will get called out by prophets, 
and then those prophets get suppressed, and someone like Pontius Pilate 
had to exist, in that the Roman Empire ruled the area, and history 
records Jesus as one of those prophets, and Pontius Pilate as one of the 
Roman Empire's administrators.


And if our records of Jesus the man are a bit thin, our records of 
Pontius Pilate are not a whole lot thicker.

Re: [d...@horsfall.org: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Charles Babbage!]

[Cecilia Tanaka]

Thanks a lot, John!  Loved the original message and all your comments!  <3

I confess I always love Dave Horsfall's messages, but this one was
specially fantastic for having an interesting subject and because was sent
to "The Eunuchs Hysterical Society", hahahaha!!!  ;D

God, I did really *love* this name!  I was needing to laugh, thanks for the
unexpected inspiration, hahaha!!  <3

Re: Current State of Mailing Lists / Forums about Internet Freedom, Security and Privacy?

[James A. Donald]

On 12/27/2017 3:30 AM, > Does anyone have an option about how the things 
going on today? Any

explanations
of the current state of the Internet communities? And what is your
recommendation
of a good online fourm for general discussion of freedom, security and
privacy?


Numerous incidents of potentially deadly violence directed at crime 
thinkers, who tend to get deemed white supremacists etc.


Better publicized, and more common, destroying their business and career 
prospects, as for example Urbit.


This has been effective in quelling dissent.

Observe that the people who made bitcoin work are all undercover, and to 
the extent that I know who they are (which is not much) they are 
international travelers with bugouts in place.  Anyone who openly 
purports to be an important bitcoin person is apt to be associated with 
US Government law enforcement - entryists and infiltrators.

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[James A. Donald]

On 12/27/2017 2:16 AM, juan wrote:

> There is contemporary evidence
> of the existence of Pontius Pilate... There is *no contemporary*
> evidence for Jesus


You are a liar and a fool.

The contemporary evidence for Pontius Pilate is exactly the same as the 
contemporary evidence for Jesus.  Josephus was there, and he mentions 
both of them.


Further, it is obvious that someone resembling Pontius Pilate had to 
exist, because the Roman Empire dominated that region, and it is obvious 
that prophets resembling Jesus the man had to exist, because the rabbis 
were in a holiness spiral, prophets would have condemned this, and would 
have been executed for condemning it.


Various prophets are listed as doing this, and dying because of it, 
Jesus and a couple of Christians being prominent on the list.

[d...@horsfall.org: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Charles Babbage!]

[John Newman]

Interesting - I didn't know Babbage dabbled in crypto.. Apparently
the "Vigenere Cipher" was considered unbreakable for ~3 centuries,
although Babbage and others broke it and variants of it at various
times up to and in the 19th century...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigen%C3%A8re_cipher

- Forwarded message from Dave Horsfall  -

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 10:58:47 +1100 (EST)
From: Dave Horsfall 
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society 
Subject: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Charles Babbage!
User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (BSF 202 2017-01-01)

Charles Babbage KH FRS was born on this day in 1791; pretty much the father of
the computer, a model of his "difference engine" built to the standards of the
day worked, complete with its printer.  What is not so well known about him
was that he dabbled in cryptography, and broke the Vigenère cipher;
unfortunately for him it was classified as a military secret, so one Friedrich
Kasiski got the credit instead.

-- 
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU)  "Those who don't understand security will suffer."


- End forwarded message -

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Re: [Cryptography] Bitcoin theft and the future of cryptocurrencies

[juan]

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 09:41:55 -0500
John Newman  wrote:


> 
> 
> Interesting. I always bought coins directly from a guy who was happy
> to take my money, at a cost to me only slightly above TX fee, and
> send coin straight to my wallet(s). The whole concept of the KYC
> requirements of all the major online exchange sites seemed both
> antithetical to BTC and dangerous.


It's a disaster. 


https://blog.coinbase.com/kathryn-haun-joins-coinbase-board-of-directors-65b4d4c4e65f


https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-is-tracking-how-users-spend-their-bitcoins


https://motherboard.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/ywnmkk/coinbase-irs-14000-bitcoin-tax


oh and coinbase was literally 'founded' by goldman sachs scum .




> I was always wary of tumbling
> the coins for anonymity, and stopped screwing around with it when
> I lost easy access to my point of contact that would do direct coin
> for cash...
> 
> In any case, its been going on a couple years since I did anything
> at all with BTC. I do wish I had held on to some of the coins I
> went through, with the current prices (*bleh!*).
> 

Current State of Mailing Lists / Forums about Internet Freedom, Security and Privacy?

[BM-2cXCAVedtJwvdVXg9HeMPZp8k5UAakzTMs]

Hello.

I was originally writing this post for tor-talk mailing list, which is a
general
mailing list hosted by Tor Project to discuss online anonymity and
cryptography
technology, I later realized it was probably a good idea to seek feedback
from
other lists so I crossposted it to many of them. It's all my humble
options and
please forgive if it's inappropriate.

In the history of the Internet, there were always some communities who found
themselves (or placed themselves) in the center of the storm on cutting edge
development related to Internet freedom, security and privacy in the past 30
years.

Back in the 80s, sci.crypto and a handful of newsgroups were prominent and
widely read by everyone in the field of security and cryptography. In the
90s,
there were comp.risks and the Cypherpunk mailing list, and they are probably
everything you need for resources and discussions. In 2000s, Bugtraq and the
Full Disclosure movement started, where all the security holes were
debated and
exposed.

Those communities were center of the mass, brought all the talent people
together, to conduct free discussions and research about everything
ongoing in
the field, no matter it was news, debate, designs, programs, rumors or
personal
argument, with light or no moderation, where ideas crashed on each other and
produced fruitful new approaches.

Unfortunately, it looks like that this kind of communities is becoming
endangered
species. It's hard to find anything similar after 2008 (or ~2005)? All the
existing lists are dead pools now with few threads, some newsgroups still
exist,
but are toxic now since only narcissists are posting, and no other
existent members
to stop them since, they were all gone. The remaining lists are becoming
project-centric, only discuss specific technical issues and not a general
platform of discussion, such as this tor-talk (historically, mailing lists
named
as "-talk" were usually popular, like a party). seclists.org still has some
historically famous lists but they are not very active, comp.risks only
has news
digest now! No posters! The Cryptography mailing list on metzdowd.com is
still
moving, but only 3 or 4 topics are discussed monthly (but in-depth, which is
good), with strict on-topic policy. Other popular forums, like HackerNews or
Reddit, functions more like a brief digest instead of a general purpose
online
forum.

Where are all the hackers, developers, cryptographers, activists,
researchers,
etc gone?

1. It seems that the arise of social media, like Facebook and especially
Twitter, is partially responsible for the current state of deterioration of
online forums, as now all the latest and interesting information are tweets,
and everyone's on Twitter. They are turning the Internet communities to be
less
and less formal and sophisticated people, Have a new project? Instead of
writing
a 1000 words short essay and debating with all the experts in the mailing
list,
just send a 50-word tweet and post the code to GitHub!

2. It seems that the scope of Internet freedom, security and privacy has
expanded infinitely, it's infeasible to talk to everyone on Earth in this
field
by posting in two or three mailing lists, everyone moved to their personal
(physical and online) social network to talk is a natural result of it.
This is
how the Cypherpunk list dead according to some, I believe the same thing is
going on everywhere. (sorry if Cypherpunks found it's offensive, no
intention to
insult, but just no longer the center of mass according to John Gilmore in
2002).

3. It seems that the Internet is no longer an academic thing and compared to
popular culture online, the research community becomes almost invisible and
finally led to the collapse of many of them.

4. It seems that the Internet is no longer an utopian "cyberspace", but
now with
lots of threats, such as doxxing and mass surveillance. 20 years ago it's
normal
for a hacker or activist to post a controversial research, with the phone
number
and personal address attached in a mailing list, and joining monthly offline
meetings. But now, many of them, or perhaps even you, the one who is reading
this post, would prefer a low profile in the community, or proactively
separate
different works. Many are also prefer a private Off-the-record talk over a
public debate, prefer small private groups with encryption over big open
space.
Some even proactively obscure or erase online records. This has two
consequences,
first, the Big Brother has to work harder and it's good. But it also means
the
community as a whore becomes harder to communicate with each other, there are
always time when someone discovered something which is unnoticed to
others, or
comes up with an exceptionally good idea. But a fragmented community is more
difficult to promote them. (It's also difficult to conduct a historical
research
in the future, which can be a problem. In contrast the Usenet posts from the
80s are still here and it's good for history and research, but bad for
privacy,

Current State of Mailing Lists / Forums about Internet Freedom, Security and Privacy?

[BM-2cXCAVedtJwvdVXg9HeMPZp8k5UAakzTMs]

Hello.

I was originally writing this post for tor-talk mailing list, which is a
general
mailing list hosted by Tor Project to discuss online anonymity and
cryptography
technology, I later realized it was probably a good idea to seek feedback
from
other lists so I crossposted it to many of them. It's all my humble
options and
please forgive if it's inappropriate.

In the history of the Internet, there were always some communities who found
themselves (or placed themselves) in the center of the storm on cutting edge
development related to Internet freedom, security and privacy in the past 30
years.

Back in the 80s, sci.crypto and a handful of newsgroups were prominent and
widely read by everyone in the field of security and cryptography. In the
90s,
there were comp.risks and the Cypherpunk mailing list, and they are probably
everything you need for resources and discussions. In 2000s, Bugtraq and the
Full Disclosure movement started, where all the security holes were
debated and
exposed.

Those communities were center of the mass, brought all the talent people
together, to conduct free discussions and research about everything
ongoing in
the field, no matter it was news, debate, designs, programs, rumors or
personal
argument, with light or no moderation, where ideas crashed on each other and
produced fruitful new approaches.

Unfortunately, it looks like that this kind of communities is becoming
endangered
species. It's hard to find anything similar after 2008 (or ~2005)? All the
existing lists are dead pools now with few threads, some newsgroups still
exist,
but are toxic now since only narcissists are posting, and no other
existent members
to stop them since, they were all gone. The remaining lists are becoming
project-centric, only discuss specific technical issues and not a general
platform of discussion, such as this tor-talk (historically, mailing lists
named
as "-talk" were usually popular, like a party). seclists.org still has some
historically famous lists but they are not very active, comp.risks only
has news
digest now! No posters! The Cryptography mailing list on metzdowd.com is
still
moving, but only 3 or 4 topics are discussed monthly (but in-depth, which is
good), with strict on-topic policy. Other popular forums, like HackerNews or
Reddit, functions more like a brief digest instead of a general purpose
online
forum.

Where are all the hackers, developers, cryptographers, activists,
researchers,
etc gone?

1. It seems that the arise of social media, like Facebook and especially
Twitter, is partially responsible for the current state of deterioration of
online forums, as now all the latest and interesting information are tweets,
and everyone's on Twitter. They are turning the Internet communities to be
less
and less formal and sophisticated people, Have a new project? Instead of
writing
a 1000 words short essay and debating with all the experts in the mailing
list,
just send a 50-word tweet and post the code to GitHub!

2. It seems that the scope of Internet freedom, security and privacy has
expanded infinitely, it's infeasible to talk to everyone on Earth in this
field
by posting in two or three mailing lists, everyone moved to their personal
(physical and online) social network to talk is a natural result of it.
This is
how the Cypherpunk list dead according to some, I believe the same thing is
going on everywhere. (sorry if Cypherpunks found it's offensive, no
intention to
insult, but just no longer the center of mass according to John Gilmore in
2002).

3. It seems that the Internet is no longer an academic thing and compared to
popular culture online, the research community becomes almost invisible and
finally led to the collapse of many of them.

4. It seems that the Internet is no longer an utopian "cyberspace", but
now with
lots of threats, such as doxxing and mass surveillance. 20 years ago it's
normal
for a hacker or activist to post a controversial research, with the phone
number
and personal address attached in a mailing list, and joining monthly offline
meetings. But now, many of them, or perhaps even you, the one who is reading
this post, would prefer a low profile in the community, or proactively
separate
different works. Many are also prefer a private Off-the-record talk over a
public debate, prefer small private groups with encryption over big open
space.
Some even proactively obscure or erase online records. This has two
consequences,
first, the Big Brother has to work harder and it's good. But it also means
the
community as a whore becomes harder to communicate with each other, there are
always time when someone discovered something which is unnoticed to
others, or
comes up with an exceptionally good idea. But a fragmented community is more
difficult to promote them. (It's also difficult to conduct a historical
research
in the future, which can be a problem. In contrast the Usenet posts from the
80s are still here and it's good for history and research, but bad for
privacy,

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[juan]

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 08:24:53 -0500
John Newman  wrote:


> 
> I don't get James Donald's email, so I can only reply indirectly: 
> show me the evidence. There is contemporary evidence
> of the existence of Pontius Pilate... There is *no contemporary* 
> evidence for Jesus. Even if you consider Josephus a 
> contemporary, which he isn't, it is widely accepted that the
> few lines  "he scribbled" on Jesus are a much later
> interpolation, a forgery done by some devout
> who was embarrassed at the paucity of evidence for the
> messiah. As for Tacitus - he was writing at an even later
> date, circa 120 CE, and if the brief passage in which he
> mentions Christus is not a forgery, its simply the case of
> him repeating propaganda he had heard from early 
> Christians themselves.


Besides, christ, from greek khristós, was a 'title' given to
religious lunatic scamers, witch-doctors who exorcised pigs and
the like. There's been a lot of 'christs' and some of them may
have ended up crucified. So scammers making up a New And
Improved(tm) religious scam can certainly add that sort of
detail to the story to 'prove' that it's really real. 



> And thats it! I won't bother to
> mention the gospels themselves, which are hilariously
> contradictory, all written far too late, and obviously a bunch
> of religious propaganda filled with mystical nonsense.
> 
> Also, it's funny hearing someone like James Donald opine on fact. 
> This is not a man to be trusted on anything factual. 
> James Donald knows fuck all about fact from fiction, and 
> gleefully picks and chooses which is which, to suit his own 
> fucked up and disgusting ideology.
> 
> https://blog.jim.com tells you all you need to know about
> James Donald.


blog.jim.com : endless source of hilarious self-parody +)




> 
> Cheers
> John
> 

Re: Amir Taaki: Anarchism to Democratic Confederalism, Rojava, Western, Etc

[juan]

On Tue, 26 Dec 2017 01:00:02 -0500
grarpamp  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCajvbs4_Rg
> 
> Politics of Anarchy
> At first glance, there isn’t much in common between the fight of the
> Syrian Kurds against ISIS and the development of Bitcoin but both
> causes have captured the imagination of anarchists around the world
> dreaming about autonomy from the omnipotent state. Oksana is joined by
> Amir Taaki, Bitcoin developer and anti-ISIS fighter to discuss this.


good to know that taaki is a US govt agent 

Re: Crypto Kitties, Purrrrfect T-Shirts, Crazy Cattributes, and Embassy Cats

[Cecilia Tanaka]

My Bitcoins...  Well, almost there, I think!  :P

https://imgur.com/gallery/CPeYm

Oh, when you become a Badass Bitcoin Baron, I would like some snugglehugs
and a lovely cinnamon roll as gifts, my dearest grarpamp...  <3

https://imgur.com/gallery/SAdAGeF

Wish you all a purrrfect day!  <3

Purrr... ~(=^‥^)

PS:  -  Well...  Considering that I've lost three loved friends and also my
favorite notebook between the Christmas' Eve and the Christmas Day, I am
deeply hurt and stressed, definitely not feeling fine.

So, I will use Jesus as a source of inspiration... I will pretend to be
dead for some days, ignoring the rest of the world, only returning when I
feel a bit better...  Sorry, I am exhausted!  :(

Re: [Cryptography] Bitcoin theft and the future of cryptocurrencies

[John Newman]

On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 07:45:47PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> > https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5cb74u/blockchain_analysis_and_antimoney_laundering/
> >
> > (Unfortunately the original text of the above post has been deleted. I've
> > been looking for an archived copy but haven't found one yet. Suffice to say,
> > it showed that as of 2016 law enforcement already had off-the-shelf software
> > capable of deanonymizing coinjoin'd transactions.)
> 
> Nothing really new here that wasn't understood by
> blockchain tech community in early days...
> 
> ==
> https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5cb74u/blockchain_analysis_and_antimoney_laundering/
> Blockchain Analysis and Anti-Money Laundering (X-post from 
> /r/DarknetmarketsOz)
> submitted 20161110T233518 by Realitybytes_
> http://archive.is/zLPcs
> 
> As promised many months ago, I have attended my first CP session on
> AML/CTF for cryptocurrency and I am now in a position to discuss at a
> high level what the current state of play is.
> While AML issues have not been touched on in this course yet
> (strategies and counter strategies will be discussed in session 2), I
> felt some of these issues are too important to wait for a better write
> up post this time and the overall method they are using to undertake
> AML analysis is now exceptionally clear.
> I note some of the technology demonstrated to us in these sessions is
> very new (been in use for less than 90 days) and from what we are
> being shown, it's powerful enough that some significant steps may need
> to be taken in the future to avoid being tagged, I will address this
> after outlining what is being demonstrated to us.
> 
> The current state of play
> Not much surprise too many of you who are concerned with significant
> opsec, however banks have been indiscriminately flagging every
> transaction related to bitcoin purchases and sales for quite some
> time, I even raised in this my previous post on AML/CTF.
> When I raised this previously, I assumed it was just regular AML/CFT
> controls, however I was wrong, this information has been used in a
> project I was not privy too, and this data from the banks I have
> worked with (in Australia) has been consolidated with many banks
> within the 5 eyes and provided to a data science corporate (Palantir)
> to conduct large scale inference matching alongside the distributed
> ledger.
> From what was demonstrated, this software basically matches up all
> transactions that show funds being flowed into the block chain (via
> banks, credit cards and KYC/verified website sites) and matches this
> information up to begin building out a map of who wallets relate to.
> The software is currently being developed to undertake profile
> matching (albeit this is only in a preliminary stage) so if you have
> sent funds to the same wallet from a different wallet, it will link
> them to the owner again (this is still inherently inaccurate).
> 
> What this means for buyers
> The systems in place seem heavily predecated around buyers not vendors
> which I found surprising, with the early reports showing that in as
> few as 2 transactions matched between the block chain distributed
> ledger and bank accounts de-anonymising wallets which is undertaken
> using information relating to a weight price of bitcoin (with
> tolerances) and the tracking of the specific value of bitcoins being
> sent, due to the finite nature of bitcoin transactions flowing from
> bank accounts to wallets this is already being tracked in real time.
> From our conversations (and inherent alarm of this in the audience,
> leading to the conclusion there are plenty of my peers buying from
> markets) as far as we have ascertained, this data is not yet being
> used for any purpose aside from mass de-anonymising users, which leads
> my peers and me to believe that the movement of funds alone cannot be
> used for raising charges, this does raise other concerns at an
> administrative level, as it is likely this data could be shared
> between government bodies to authorise a "probable cause" warrant on
> mail and houses.
> I can also confirm that this software was used in the most recent
> police sting in New Zealand, adding weight to the conclusion that
> judges are comfortable signing warrants on this information.
> If you have always undertaken cash purchases of LBC, avoided KYC
> requirements and never cashed out bitcoins, you are likely still
> anonymous.
> 
> What this means for vendors
> As detailed above, as the software undertakes bank and transaction
> matching to wallets as long as they have never directly cashed out
> money from a wallet to their bank, they should still be safe.
> This section will likely be expanded on post session two when we
> address AML concerns.
> 
> Tumblers are useless
> Against my better judgement, I’m going with this click bait heading,
> but the premise is correct.
> Due to the software running real time ana

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[John Newman]

On December 25, 2017 1:26:52 AM EST, juan  wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Dec 2017 10:50:59 +1000
>"James A. Donald"  wrote:
>
>   to address the mental christian vomits of supreme right wing
>   'libertarian' donald 
>
>   http://www.worldfuturefund.org/History/jesushistory.html
>
>
>
>
>JESUS CHRIST - NO HISTORICAL EVIDENCE
>
>IN ONE OF THE MOST CAREFULLY DOCUMENTED PERIODS OF ROMAN AND ANCIENT
>HISTORY 
>The time that Jesus Christ supposedly existed is one the most heavily
>documented periods in ancient history.  Yet there is virtually zero
>historical evidence of his supposed existence in any contemporary
>historical record.  It is also important to understand that an absolute
>reign of terror was instituted when Christianity seized power in the
>Roman Empire as documented in our Christian Totalitarianism Report.
>The Church appointed an official historian of dubious ethics, Eusebius,
>to write an official history.  Meanwhile, Christian launched the
>largest book burning campaign in history, destroying a vast part of the
>wisdom and history of the ancient world forever. 
>
>The Account of Josephus is a Fraud
>
>When discussing the alleged existence of Jesus Christ, one piece of
>"evidence" that frequently gets mentioned is the account of Flavius
>Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from 37 to
>100 C.E. In Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews there is a notorious
>passage regarding Christ called the "Testimonium Flavium."
>
>"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to
>call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,--a teacher of
>such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both
>many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and
>when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had
>condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not
>forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the
>divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful
>things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him,
>are not extinct at this day." (Whitson, 379).
>
>This brief piece of evidence which supposedly contributed the best
>"proof" of Jesus's existence has actually been proven to be a fraud. It
>has been demonstrated continuously over the centuries that "Testamonium
>Flavium" was a forgery manufactured by the Catholic Church, and was
>inserted into Josephus's works. The Testamonium Flavium account is so
>thoroughly refuted, that biblical scholars since the 19th century have
>refused to refer to it, unless to mention its false nature.
>
>Dr. Gordon Stein gives a further explanation for this forgery. The
>History of Jesus: A Reply to Josh McDowell.
>
>Another source is The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled.
>
>First Written Accounts of Jesus's Life Occur Decades After His
>Purported Existence
>
>Most written accounts of the life of Jesus did not exist until a couple
>decades after his purported existence. These accounts were presented by
>a number of different authors and had somewhat conflicting stories
>about his existence. These written accounts are known as the Gospels.
>Also, it is worth knowing that not all of the gospels that were written
>even made their way into the bible. Only four gospels became the
>canonical writings for the church. The rest were burned, destroyed or
>lost. Historians estimate that the first written gospel, the gospel of
>Mark, was written sometime after 70 C.E, which means that at the
>earliest, it would have been written 40 years after the alleged
>crucifixion of Jesus.
>
>PLINY, TACITUS AND SUETONIUS: NO PROOF OF JESUS
>
>Nero's Persecution of Christians and Mention of Jesus is Highly
>Doubtful
>
>There is widespread belief that Nero blamed the burning of Rome on the
>Christians; however, there are many holes in this theory.
>
>This belief comes from the account of the Roman historian Tacitus
>(56-120 CE) about how Emperor Nero (37 - 68 CE) blamed the burning of
>Rome on "those people who were abhorred for their crimes and commonly
>called Christians." The passage then states that the fire agitators
>were followers of "Christus" who "was put to death as a criminal by the
>procurator Pontius Pilate." The passage then also states that
>Christians constituted a "vast multitude at Rome" and goes on to
>discuss the ghastly ways in which they were persecuted.
>
>However, there are many troubling details about the historical accuracy
>of this passage. Some critics call into question whether Tacitus wrote
>this account at all, or if it was yet another forgery. Around the date
>of Nero's Fire, 64 AD, there were no "multitude of Christians" in Rome.
>At this time, there was not even a multitude of Christians in Judea.
>Therefore, it is highly doubtful that Nero would refer to Christians in
>this way.
>
>This is also the only mention of Christians in the work of Tacitus,
>despite the fact that he wrote several volumes
>
>A

Re: USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

[John Newman]

On December 24, 2017 7:57:52 PM EST, rooty  wrote:
> Original Message  On Dec 24, 2017, 4:50 PM, James A.
>Donald wrote: On 12/24/2017 8:50 PM, John Newman wrote: > I agree,
>Wikipedia is badly skewed on this, but it seems like they are >
>probably just following conventional thought on the issue. Which I feel
>> is coming around to be more widely accepted that there was no Jesus >
>as described in the gospels that started the early Christian church
>This is stupid. There is plausible historical evidence that Jesus did
>not rise from the dead, nor did the sun stand still over one of the
>Empire's dominions, but we have ample historical evidence for Jesus the
>man, who was crucified by Pontius Pilate, and anyone who denies it is
>just stupid or ignorant. If anything, we have better historical
>evidence for Jesus the man than Mohammed the Prophet. In actual
>practice, the Church was founded by Paul, who used the conveniently
>dead Jesus as basis for what we now know as Christianity. Lots of
>aspects of the founding myth of Christianity are improbable, and either
>supported only by suspiciously weak evidence, or contradicted by
>compellingly strong evidence, but that Jesus lived and was crucified by
>Pontius Pilate is undeniable by anyone half way sane. The Jewish
>religion was in a holiness spiral which put them on course for a
>suicidal confrontation with Rome, therefore one would expect a prophet
>to condemn this holiness spiral in exactly the manner that Jesus is
>recorded as condemning it. And one would expect a prophet who spoke the
>truth on this matter to get crucified. As Jesus the man is recorded as
>being crucified. This aspect of the founding myth is inherently
>plausible, and is supported by compellingly strong evidence. --- This
>email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>
>https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>Avast is virus you been had!

I don't get James Donald's email, so I can only reply indirectly: 
show me the evidence. There is contemporary evidence
of the existence of Pontius Pilate... There is *no contemporary* 
evidence for Jesus. Even if you consider Josephus a 
contemporary, which he isn't, it is widely accepted that the
few lines  "he scribbled" on Jesus are a much later
interpolation, a forgery done by some devout
who was embarrassed at the paucity of evidence for the
messiah. As for Tacitus - he was writing at an even later
date, circa 120 CE, and if the brief passage in which he
mentions Christus is not a forgery, its simply the case of
him repeating propaganda he had heard from early 
Christians themselves. And thats it! I won't bother to
mention the gospels themselves, which are hilariously
contradictory, all written far too late, and obviously a bunch
of religious propaganda filled with mystical nonsense.

Also, it's funny hearing someone like James Donald opine on fact. 
This is not a man to be trusted on anything factual. 
James Donald knows fuck all about fact from fiction, and 
gleefully picks and chooses which is which, to suit his own 
fucked up and disgusting ideology.

https://blog.jim.com tells you all you need to know about
James Donald.

Cheers
John



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[WAR] [ANTIFA] [INSTANT KARMA] - Though shalt NOT laugh at the misfortune of others!

[Zenaan Harkness]

In soviet Amerikkka, instant kkkarma get you‼

Yo!

A trigger note to snowflakes: laughing at the misfortune of others
is un-Christian, and the 11th sin or something...

...so please, think of children marching for Jesus.



youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcaDO7SY4-4
~ 52 MiB default version

Pro-Communist Antifa protester wiped out by truck at ‘March for Jesus’ in 
Portland-rcaDO7SY4-4.mp4


Original sources:
http://redpilltimes.com/communist-antifa-freak-hit-by-truck-at-march-for-jesus-even-in-portland/
http://theduran.com/communist-antifa-freak-hit-by-truck-at-march-for-jesus-even-in-portland/

Re: Are cryptocurrencies ready to handle large number of transactions?

[James A. Donald]

On 12/26/2017 4:04 PM, Steven Schear wrote:
Clearly they are not, yet. The problems are somewhat multi-dimensional 
and the way forward isn't assured. If some counters wanted to scale a 
"Bitcoin-like" chain to handle, on-chain, the average transaction volume 
of PayPal (about 120/sec.), quite a coup, it would require (by my 
reckoning) a block size of about 64 MB. The Bitcoin Unlimited people are 
planning to test blocks much larger. Clearly, this would likely result 
in considerable miner concentration, unless, as Garzik's recently 
announced Bitcoin United (which includes a "our" Escher feature) takes 
over Bitcoin Corey's mantle.


Every peer has to download every transaction, in order to judge it for 
validity. If relying on someone else's claim about validity, not truly a 
peer.  It is having many peers that makes the network resistant to 
control and attack.


This inherently limits the number of transactions that can be made fully 
on the blockchain and fully peered to something that is not compatible 
with taking over the world.


Thus scalability, up to world conquering scales, requires an 
architecture where most people do not have peer wallets, but client 
wallets, and most transactions are consolidated into fewer and larger 
transactions by important peer wallets functioning somewhat like banks 
before the transactions are entered into the blockchain.


The Lightning Network is intended to have transactions consolidated by 
important peer wallets functioning somewhat like banks, but it is not 
altogether clear how this will work in practice, or if it will work in 
practice.

[WAR] - Re: (53) Gaddafi's Prophecy, 2011 - "Europe will turn black" - YouTube

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 03:13:17AM -0500, Ric wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLflLdIJeMw
> 
> Wow! Ric


Beginning of transcript:

 Qaddafi/ Gaddafi:

 “Now you people in NATO listen to me - you are bombing the wall that
  stopped African migration into Europe...
  This wall stopped the terrorists from Al-Qaeda;
  This wall was Libya.
  You are destroying it, you fools...

  For the many thousands of migrants from Africa, for your support of
  Al-Qaeda, you will burn in hell, this is how it will be.
 ”

 Until 1968, Libya was a monarchy.
 70% of the population lived below the poverty line.
 Many were illiterate and lived in simple nomadic tents.
 It was a typical, underdeveloped African country.

 Gaddafi provided Libyans with the kind of life that made the rest of
 the dark continent envious.
 Out of a desert, arose the "8th wonder of the world" - the Great
 Man-Made River [world's largest irrigation project].
 He was able to create a system of irrigation throughout the desert,
 through an underground pipe network.
 Factories and enterprises began working throughout Libya, none of
 which were there before.

 Not having payed a single Dinar, Libyans moved from tents into
 apartment blocks.
 "Rent" did not exist.  Everything - including utilities and power
 was covered by the government.
 "If we were to compare the way cities, such as Tripoli, looked
  before he came to power and after ...
  You would see that it went from an ugly village, to a city with
  highrises, 30 years later."

 So you want to get married?  The government would give newlywed
 couples $64,000 USD towards buying a home.  $7,000 USD toward each
 child born.
 You want a car?  The government will cover 50% of the cost.
 Petrol in Libya used to be cheaper than water - 3 cents per litre.

 "Minimum wages were in the thousands of dollars, education abroad
  was payed for by the state, and cases where medical surgeries needed
  to be carried out outside of Libya, the state covered that too."


 "But to bring lasting peace to Libya would be impossible - this land
  will forever be torn apart by the leaders of these various tribes."
 "They can't and don't want to be ruled by a single person."
 That's what the leaders of the superpowers said in the 1970s.
 Colonel Gaddafi surprised everyone.
 He unified 140 tribes into one country.
 Each of these tribes had their own leader - the options for Gaddafi
 was either "scare them to death" or to buy them.
 Gaddafi preferred the latter.

 He promised them a heavenly existence, and he delivered on his
 words.

 Gaddafi:
 “We have oil - this is what will unite us.  Oil is the reason that
  Libya stayed as one country.”

 Gaddafi nationalised the oil producing industry.
 He promised that the huge profits would be fairly distributed across
 the entire country.
 All Libyans began to receive their share of the Libyan oil trade.

 "When the people can see that a certain leader is raising the
  standard of living, of course he will have a lot of supprot."

...

Re: John Mcafee Libertarian Nomination Speech

[Zenaan Harkness]

John Mcafee is a known lier and opportunist, and sold his user-spying
software to another NSA honeypot (Symantec), when Norton's finally
got exposed...

John Mcafee is someone who has shown, time and again, that he WILL
sell you out, if it benefits him personally.

Otherwise, sure, sure, as good as France's Macron, "Mcafee for
president yo!"

The Liberal Lefty “Democrat” Libertard Wanna Bes and being trotted
out left and right right now, to try to create some convincing
alternative to Trump.

Don't get me wrong, a good alternative to Trump would be great - but
John McAfee is NOT that guy.

Good luck with your dee mock racy,
Z




On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 12:32:54AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> Speech
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFkc122LCxY
> 
> Debate
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf-mCv0RBH4
> 
> Interview
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MobTJolSyUE