Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:47:00AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 07:58:01AM +, jim bell wrote:
> > What a relief!!!Thank heavens for leaks!!!
> >         Jim Bell



..
> http://thesaker.is/trump-elected-as-president-risks-and-opportunities/

   .. "So it has happened: Hillary did not win!  I say that instead of saying 
that “Trump won” because I consider the former even more important than the 
latter.  Why?  Because I have no idea whatsoever what Trump will do next.  I 
do, however, have an excellent idea of what Hillary would have done: war with 
Russia.  Trump most likely won’t do that.  In fact, he specifically said in his 
acceptance speech:

 I want to tell the world community that while we will always put 
America’s interests first, we will deal fairly with everyone, with everyone — 
all people and all other nations. We will seek common ground, not hostility; 
partnership, not conflict.

   And Putin’s reply was immediate:

 We heard the statements he made as candidate for president expressing 
a desire to restore relations between our countries. We realise and understand 
that this will not be an easy road given the level to which our relations have 
degraded today, regrettably. But, as I have said before, it is not Russia’s 
fault that our relations with the United States have reached this point.

 Russia is ready to and seeks a return to full-format relations with 
the United States. Let me say again, we know that this will not be easy, but 
are ready to take this road, take steps on our side and do all we can to set 
Russian-US relations back on a stable development track.

 This would benefit both the Russian and American peoples and would 
have a positive impact on the general climate in international affairs, given 
the particular responsibility that Russia and the US share for maintaining 
global stability and security.
 ...

[Unfortunately the deep swamp war, DUMB and otherwise, continues, though there 
are signs of a better future...]


..
> And that names the biggest winner (besides Trump) in all this: Wikileaks
> and Julian Assange, putting the lame stream media to shame.
> 
> http://theduran.com/breakdown-biggest-winners-and-losers-of-the-2016-us-presidential-election/
> 
> http://theduran.com/list-biggest-election-winners-losers/
> 
> http://theduran.com/assad-must-go-who-must-go-goodbye-cameron-obama-hillary-merkel-hollande-youre-next/
> 
> http://theduran.com/trumps-victory-speech-message-peace-with-historic-significance/
> "
> the most crucial sentence was this: “We will get along with all the
> nations willing to get along with us”. I have waited all my life for an
> American President to utter such words.
> "


There are minor rumblings of detente (Trump rang Putin - might sound small, but 
a beginnin's a beginnin, muffaluckkas), and though Duh Swamp be very well 
entrenched, the mill grinds ('patriot' Flynn).

   "we will get along with all the nations willing to get along with us"

Although the USA is far down the ladder of moral standing these days, for the 
time being Trump is still alive (unlike JFK) and hope remains ... the 
possibility for the North American Union otherwise known as the USA, to begin 
to rebuild a moral standing.

Durham:  "My -eyes-, nigger!  Look in to muh -eyes-!  You is face music!"  [We 
hope!]

USN Mercy was a washout (due to ICMTs - Inter-Continental Maglev Trains ??) so 
... let's pray the DUMB wars favour justice, righteousness and truth.  If needs 
be, a complete severance with the fallen ...

Love must be upheld.

Murder, blackmail and torture must be denounced and stopped, must be brought to 
account.


   Book, non-fiction, 1936: Darkness over Tibet;  mighty interestin', mug 
whigs.. dem fallen' angels, man, like wow ...

   https://archive.org/details/DarknessOverTibetTIllion/page/n7/mode/2up

   Darkness Over Tibet Excerpts and Commentary by Laura Knight-Jadczyk
   https://cassiopaea.org/cass/tibet.htm

Remember, muh grits:

  We fight not against men ... but against principalities.

  
https://lovetruthsite.wordpress.com/2016/11/15/for-we-fight-not-against-men-but-against-principalities/


Your/ our, time, is now.

Stand.

Live your principles.

Live your rights.

Pray.

Except that you live the right, live truth, live those righteous principles of 
justice, ... you are otherwise compliant.  Explicitly, or implicitly/ tacitly, 
you are compliant.

Stop blaming one another, albeit hold to truth and justice.  Spend care for the 
seemingly trivial or "inconsequential" words spoken in anger or spite or any of 
the other innumerable "lower" states of one's being .. strive for a 'higher' 
path, a worthy action, that dignity before the incomprehensible grandeur of our 
very existence and being and capacities of life ..

Stand.

Stand for truth, for principles, for the logically inherent sanity in the stand 
by those staunch in the face of despotic empire, those who sit in their 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[James A. Donald]

On Jan 15, 2017, at 2:27 AM, James A. Donald  wrote:
>> Trump did not say he grabs women's pussies whether they let him or
>> not. He said that women let him grab their pussies.
>>
>> And, since he is a handsome six foot three charismatic billionaire,
>> rich, powerful, and famous, that is obviously the truth.

On 1/22/2017 12:16 AM, John Newman wrote:
> First time I’ve EVER heard Trump (an orange oompa-loompa-like clown
> with a fucking squirrel fur on his head) as “handsome”.

I notice progressives also denying that he is charismatic.

I notice progressives also denying that he is rich, though he has
a flying castle in the sky with a gold plated bathroom.

And a short while ago they were denying he was powerful, though there
seems to be a good deal less of that since the rioters were hit with
felony rioting charges, when under the Obama regime they were always
released without charges.  Nothing says "power" like giving your
enemies a felony conviction.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[James A. Donald]

On 11/9/2016 10:30 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

Jihadists cannot do these bad things, but
Trump can because he's a proud North American citizen.  So, your
President can attack women and being intolerant with all the people.


Trump did not say he grabs women's pussies whether they let him or not. 
He said that women let him grab their pussies.


And, since he is a handsome six foot three charismatic billionaire, 
rich, powerful, and famous, that is obviously the truth.


And you are bitter because men like him are unlikely to grab you by the 
pussy.


All the guys who put moves on you, are guys that you think are losers, 
so you don't like it.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

You self righteous moron.

Do you think I'm interested in going into my personal drug history with you?  I 
have taken massive oral doses, on more than one occasion.  Again: It is NOT 
nearly the revelatory experience you seem to think.

Go swill some booze and fuck off jack =)

--
John

On Nov 29, 2016, at 5:44 AM, xorcist at sigaint.org  wrote:

>> John Newman:
>> Most pot heads I know
> 
> Instead of thinking for yourself, you subscribe to a predetermined pattern
> of behavior, citing "what pothead's think" as a foundation for your truth
> 
> Eat it
> 
> In a sensory deprevation tank
> 
>> it's like me telling you "drink 2l of vodka"
> 
> It is not, why keep trying to conflate the effects of canabiz and alkahil
> 
> Afff...
> 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

On Sun, 27 Nov 2016 18:45:32 -0800
Razer  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 11/27/2016 06:42 PM, juan wrote:
> > Druggies dying in the streets? That's the kind of bullshit that
> > propagandists dream up.
> .   ^
> 
> Detached from reality.

Your propaganda is, correct.

"Let it be known..Castro was a true hero" 







> 
> Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/27/2016 06:42 PM, juan wrote:
> Druggies dying in the streets? That's the kind of bullshit that propagandists 
> dream up.
.   ^

Detached from reality.

Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

Nice of you to evade the point cunt. The point is, fucktard,
Libertarians would decriminalize shit like Herowhine and crackcaine but
sure the fuck wouldn't pay for treatment to keep the druggie from dying
in the streets or the regulation to keep it pure enough they aren't
simply poisoned by whatever mystery mix your scumbucket cooker friends
whip up.

Malthusian ... Feudal ... stain on Humanity... Libertarianism.

Ps. About "Communism" I suppose you think indigenous cultures are
communist because they share and take responsibility for their fellow
man. If that's the case, yeah, and my mommy was a commie too, fucktard.

Are you drunk stupid when you write that shit or do your meds need
adjusting?

Rr




On 11/27/2016 12:52 PM, juan wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:05:43 -0800
> Razer  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 11/25/2016 10:45 PM, John Newman wrote:
>>> Drugs prohibition is fucking heinous.
>>> I don't think it matters what the substance is.  Locking an addict
>>> up does not cure them =)
>>>
>>> It's all a bad fucking joke - a "war" to perpetuate a vested
>>> interest in keeping prison populations high (and profitable), to
>>> systematically fuck a certain cross section of society (blacks, the
>>> poor), and to keep people on all sides of the issue scared.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> The option taken... If you EVER get out on the streets where the drugs
>> are sold and used, is to decriminalize, not medical-ize, and THEN
>> give them gubmint checks in the hopes the drug user kills themself
>> off in some motel room saving taxpayers money.
>>
>> That IS the libertarian solution to the problem. 
>   Hard to tell if that's meant as (self) parody or what. Of
>   course "to decriminalize, not medical-ize" IS the libertarian
>   solution. The part about government checks is typical nonsense though.
>
>
>
>> Another reason why
>> refer to Libertarians are self-centric fascist scum in every convo I
>> have about them
>
>   Although most self-described libertarians tend to suck -
>   because they actually don't get libertarian principles -
>   commies are hardly in any position to criticize them, communism
>   being the ultimate totalitarian ideology. Not to mention,
>   fascists and commies, left and right, are close cousins.
>
>
>
>
>> Rr
>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:40 AM, Razer >> > wrote:
>>>

 On 11/25/2016 09:31 PM, juan wrote that variation in dosage of
 natural substance:

> makes dosage unreliable. 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:05:43 -0800
Razer  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 11/25/2016 10:45 PM, John Newman wrote:
> > Drugs prohibition is fucking heinous.
> > I don't think it matters what the substance is.  Locking an addict
> > up does not cure them =)
> >
> > It's all a bad fucking joke - a "war" to perpetuate a vested
> > interest in keeping prison populations high (and profitable), to
> > systematically fuck a certain cross section of society (blacks, the
> > poor), and to keep people on all sides of the issue scared.
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> 
> 
> The option taken... If you EVER get out on the streets where the drugs
> are sold and used, is to decriminalize, not medical-ize, and THEN
> give them gubmint checks in the hopes the drug user kills themself
> off in some motel room saving taxpayers money.
> 
> That IS the libertarian solution to the problem. 

Hard to tell if that's meant as (self) parody or what. Of
course "to decriminalize, not medical-ize" IS the libertarian
solution. The part about government checks is typical nonsense though.



> Another reason why
> refer to Libertarians are self-centric fascist scum in every convo I
> have about them


Although most self-described libertarians tend to suck -
because they actually don't get libertarian principles -
commies are hardly in any position to criticize them, communism
being the ultimate totalitarian ideology. Not to mention,
fascists and commies, left and right, are close cousins.




> 
> Rr
> 
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:40 AM, Razer  > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/25/2016 09:31 PM, juan wrote that variation in dosage of
> >> natural substance:
> >>
> >>> makes dosage unreliable. 
> 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

On Nov 26, 2016, at 7:56 PM, xorcist at sigaint.org  wrote:

>> John Newman:
>> It is working?
> 
> If you think alcohol is less than or equal to "drugs" in
> harmfulness, but maybe you are intentionally misreading
> 

Alcohol is a drug. Surely you realize this. More importantly, the relative 
dangers of one drug (alcohol, the kind you like) and all the others (including 
pot, the one you've kept moronically trying to make the case for being more 
dangerous than alcohol) has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the terror 
campaign known as the "war on drugs".

The idiocy of your assertion makes it hard to parse. Maybe you were drunk when 
you typed it up.

>> How does that make it compare to alcohol unfavorably?
> 
> Purchase some alcohol and find out

I notice you snipped out all the other bullshit you kept pressing before about 
"eat a half gram and find out".  I guess you realize how asinine that bit was. 
Anyway, to assert alcohol is safer than marijuana is just totally wrong, and 
goes against all know medical evidence. Any other comparison is purely 
subjective, as surely you know (i.e. you like to get drunk, but when you smoke 
pot it makes you freak out like a little girl)

> 
> Ditch that grain shit and anything with added yeast or preserves, fam
> 
> Wild ferment some honey and apples 'til it be wine
> 

No one gives a fuck how you drink, pal =) 

> Don let Rrrr see you doin this hipster shit, tho
> 

Yeah, you're one hip dude =).  

I find your moronic outlook grating, but, sadly, I'm sure it lines up nicely 
with a large swath of self righteous hypocrites who want to enjoy their booze 
in peace, but lock anyone who smokes a joint up.

Although... you're actually becoming more of an outlier, at least when it comes 
to marijuana - legalization is sweeping the country. I'm sure you'd piss your 
pants in happiness (as drunken morons are wont to do) if the feds start 
cracking down on it with the new administration.


cheers ;)
John

>> you didn't jump in your car and start driving, or start beating on your
> girlfriend
> 
> Blame it on the a a a a a a alcohol
> 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/25/2016 10:45 PM, John Newman wrote:
> Drugs prohibition is fucking heinous.
> I don't think it matters what the substance is.  Locking an addict up
> does not cure them =)
>
> It's all a bad fucking joke - a "war" to perpetuate a vested interest
> in keeping prison populations high (and profitable), to systematically
> fuck a certain cross section of society (blacks, the poor), and to
> keep people on all sides of the issue scared.
>
>
>
> John


The option taken... If you EVER get out on the streets where the drugs
are sold and used, is to decriminalize, not medical-ize, and THEN  give
them gubmint checks in the hopes the drug user kills themself off in
some motel room saving taxpayers money.

That IS the libertarian solution to the problem. Another reason why
refer to Libertarians are self-centric fascist scum in every convo I
have about them

Rr

>
> On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:40 AM, Razer  > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 11/25/2016 09:31 PM, juan wrote that variation in dosage of
>> natural substance:
>>
>>> makes dosage unreliable. 
>>
>> It might be part of the reason you're not ending up with bad heart
>> valves too, schmuck.
>>
>> Or maybe it's the manitol so commonly used to cut it and 'make dosage
>> unreliable' to boot is what destroys one's heart valves. Or maybe
>> baby laxative isn't so popular anymore and coke stupes walk around
>> constipated like a junkie... Like they have dick up their ass.
>>
>> Rr
>>
>> Ps. "TOO MUCH of the stuff"
>>
>> Did I mention the derivatives are MUCH easier to get addicted to?
>> When you're an addict "TOO MUCH
>> of the stuff" doesn't exist in your reality.
>>
>> You're 'talking yourself into a hole'.
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:07:39 -0800
>>> Razer  wrote:
>>>
 On 11/25/2016 08:39 PM, juan wrote:
>   quick note on evil chemical compounds
>
>   methamphetamine is a semi synthetic derivative of ephedrine,
>   ephedra having a long history in chinese culture
>
>   morphine is a fully natural green product manufactured by
>   mother nature - semi synthetic heroin is a minor variation
> of morphine
>
>   lsd25 is a semi synthetic derivative of lysergic acid, in
> turn derived from natural occuring ergot alkaloids
>
>   many of shulgin's psychodelic amphetamines are variations
> on the mescaline theme.
>
>   Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by
> Nature Inc.
>
>   See a pattern here? All the stuff comes from green 
>   eco-friendly plants or small tweaks of 'natural' molecules.
>
>   Strychnine comes straight off the plant. And cannabis is a
> 'sacrament' - lol!
>
>
>
>
 You forgot cocaine. 
>>> 
>>> Did I? 
>>>
>>> "Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature
>>> Inc."
>>>
>>>
 So let's use it as an example. Peruvians chew the
 Coca leaves and it allows them to function well at high altitudes
 because it assists the transfer of oxygen from the blood to the brain
 and body tissue, like the Amino creatine also does, and it seems to
 have no bad effects on the consumers

 NOW, purify it from the Coca leaves 
>>> Yep,  that seems to be another important thing you do not know.
>>> The amount of active compounds in plants varies a lot and that
>>> makes dosage unreliable. So it makes sense to  extract and
>>> instead use the pure compounds.  
>>>
>>>
 and consume it regularly at sea
 level from, lets say your early/mid 20s when you get your first
 computer industry job. You'll be seeing a cardiologist about bad
 heart valves by the time you're 50 or 60. Guaranteed. 
>>> Yep. And the problem is, obviously, taking TOO MUCH of the
>>> stuff, not that it was extracted.
>>>
>>> "Alle Dinge sind Gift und nichts ist ohne Gift, allein die
>>> Dosis macht es, dass ein Ding kein Gift ist." 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 But that may be
 due to all the mood meds you're taking b/c occasional incidents of
 psychosis.

 Listen stupid (that's you Juan) I've been around drug culture all my
 life. 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Still you don't seem to know the abc of pharmacology...Which is
>>> nothing but common sense of course.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 The difference between the relatively benign effect of organic
 substances 
 on the human organism and the destructive effect of it's
 'purified' ingredient is profound and easily noticeable to anyone,
>>> They are the SAME substance. There's no 'organic' or
>>> 'inorganic' cocaine. The alkaloid inside the plant is no
>>> different from the isolated 'pure' form.
>>> 
>>>  But hey, go eat some green organic 'unpurified' plant material
>>>  containing a nice dose of strychnine and come back. Will you?
>>>  =P
>>>
>>>
 across the board, except perhaps the cooker and dealer who don't
 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

Drugs prohibition is fucking heinous.
I don't think it matters what the substance is.  Locking an addict up does not 
cure them =)

It's all a bad fucking joke - a "war" to perpetuate a vested interest in 
keeping prison populations high (and profitable), to systematically fuck a 
certain cross section of society (blacks, the poor), and to keep people on all 
sides of the issue scared.



John

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 12:40 AM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/25/2016 09:31 PM, juan wrote that variation in dosage of natural 
> substance:
> 
>> makes dosage unreliable. 
> 
> It might be part of the reason you're not ending up with bad heart valves 
> too, schmuck.
> 
> Or maybe it's the manitol so commonly used to cut it and 'make dosage 
> unreliable' to boot is what destroys one's heart valves. Or maybe baby 
> laxative isn't so popular anymore and coke stupes walk around constipated 
> like a junkie... Like they have dick up their ass.
> 
> Rr
> 
> Ps. "TOO MUCH of the stuff"
> 
> Did I mention the derivatives are MUCH easier to get addicted to? When you're 
> an addict "TOO MUCH 
> of the stuff" doesn't exist in your reality.
> 
> You're 'talking yourself into a hole'.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:07:39 -0800
>> Razer  wrote:
>> 
 On 11/25/2016 08:39 PM, juan wrote:
quick note on evil chemical compounds
 
methamphetamine is a semi synthetic derivative of ephedrine,
ephedra having a long history in chinese culture
 
morphine is a fully natural green product manufactured by
mother nature - semi synthetic heroin is a minor variation
 of morphine
 
lsd25 is a semi synthetic derivative of lysergic acid, in
 turn derived from natural occuring ergot alkaloids
 
many of shulgin's psychodelic amphetamines are variations
 on the mescaline theme.
 
Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by
 Nature Inc.
 
See a pattern here? All the stuff comes from green 
eco-friendly plants or small tweaks of 'natural' molecules.
 
Strychnine comes straight off the plant. And cannabis is a
 'sacrament' - lol!
 
 
 
 
>>> You forgot cocaine. 
>>  
>>  Did I? 
>> 
>>  "Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature
>>  Inc."
>> 
>> 
>>> So let's use it as an example. Peruvians chew the
>>> Coca leaves and it allows them to function well at high altitudes
>>> because it assists the transfer of oxygen from the blood to the brain
>>> and body tissue, like the Amino creatine also does, and it seems to
>>> have no bad effects on the consumers
>>> 
>>> NOW, purify it from the Coca leaves 
>>  Yep,  that seems to be another important thing you do not know.
>>  The amount of active compounds in plants varies a lot and that
>>  makes dosage unreliable. So it makes sense to  extract and
>>  instead use the pure compounds.  
>> 
>> 
>>> and consume it regularly at sea
>>> level from, lets say your early/mid 20s when you get your first
>>> computer industry job. You'll be seeing a cardiologist about bad
>>> heart valves by the time you're 50 or 60. Guaranteed. 
>>  Yep. And the problem is, obviously, taking TOO MUCH of the
>>  stuff, not that it was extracted.
>> 
>>  "Alle Dinge sind Gift und nichts ist ohne Gift, allein die
>>  Dosis macht es, dass ein Ding kein Gift ist." 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> But that may be
>>> due to all the mood meds you're taking b/c occasional incidents of
>>> psychosis.
>>> 
>>> Listen stupid (that's you Juan) I've been around drug culture all my
>>> life. 
>>  
>> 
>>  Still you don't seem to know the abc of pharmacology...Which is
>>  nothing but common sense of course.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> The difference between the relatively benign effect of organic
>>> substances 
>>> on the human organism and the destructive effect of it's
>>> 'purified' ingredient is profound and easily noticeable to anyone,
>>  They are the SAME substance. There's no 'organic' or
>>  'inorganic' cocaine. The alkaloid inside the plant is no
>>  different from the isolated 'pure' form.
>>  
>>   But hey, go eat some green organic 'unpurified' plant material
>>   containing a nice dose of strychnine and come back. Will you?
>>   =P
>> 
>> 
>>> across the board, except perhaps the cooker and dealer who don't
>>> notice because they generally don't consume the crap they sell or
>>> live where it's considered a curse on the community it's destroying.
>>> 
>>> Rr
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:07:39 -0800
Razer  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 11/25/2016 08:39 PM, juan wrote:
> >
> > quick note on evil chemical compounds
> >
> > methamphetamine is a semi synthetic derivative of ephedrine,
> > ephedra having a long history in chinese culture
> >
> > morphine is a fully natural green product manufactured by
> > mother nature - semi synthetic heroin is a minor variation
> > of morphine
> >
> > lsd25 is a semi synthetic derivative of lysergic acid, in
> > turn derived from natural occuring ergot alkaloids
> >
> > many of shulgin's psychodelic amphetamines are variations
> > on the mescaline theme.
> >
> > Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by
> > Nature Inc.
> >
> > See a pattern here? All the stuff comes from green 
> > eco-friendly plants or small tweaks of 'natural' molecules.
> >
> > Strychnine comes straight off the plant. And cannabis is a
> > 'sacrament' - lol!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> You forgot cocaine. 

Did I? 

"Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature
Inc."


> So let's use it as an example. Peruvians chew the
> Coca leaves and it allows them to function well at high altitudes
> because it assists the transfer of oxygen from the blood to the brain
> and body tissue, like the Amino creatine also does, and it seems to
> have no bad effects on the consumers
> 
> NOW, purify it from the Coca leaves 


Yep,  that seems to be another important thing you do not know.
The amount of active compounds in plants varies a lot and that
makes dosage unreliable. So it makes sense to  extract and
instead use the pure compounds.  


> and consume it regularly at sea
> level from, lets say your early/mid 20s when you get your first
> computer industry job. You'll be seeing a cardiologist about bad
> heart valves by the time you're 50 or 60. Guaranteed. 

Yep. And the problem is, obviously, taking TOO MUCH of the
stuff, not that it was extracted.

"Alle Dinge sind Gift und nichts ist ohne Gift, allein die
Dosis macht es, dass ein Ding kein Gift ist." 




> But that may be
> due to all the mood meds you're taking b/c occasional incidents of
> psychosis.
> 
> Listen stupid (that's you Juan) I've been around drug culture all my
> life. 


Still you don't seem to know the abc of pharmacology...Which is
nothing but common sense of course.



> The difference between the relatively benign effect of organic
> substances 
> on the human organism and the destructive effect of it's
> 'purified' ingredient is profound and easily noticeable to anyone,

They are the SAME substance. There's no 'organic' or
'inorganic' cocaine. The alkaloid inside the plant is no
different from the isolated 'pure' form.

 But hey, go eat some green organic 'unpurified' plant material
 containing a nice dose of strychnine and come back. Will you?
 =P


> across the board, except perhaps the cooker and dealer who don't
> notice because they generally don't consume the crap they sell or
> live where it's considered a curse on the community it's destroying.
> 
> Rr
> 
> 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

quick note on evil chemical compounds

methamphetamine is a semi synthetic derivative of ephedrine,
ephedra having a long history in chinese culture

morphine is a fully natural green product manufactured by
mother nature - semi synthetic heroin is a minor variation of
morphine

lsd25 is a semi synthetic derivative of lysergic acid, in turn
derived from natural occuring ergot alkaloids

many of shulgin's psychodelic amphetamines are variations on the
mescaline theme.

Cocaine, DMT, psylocibin - all manufactured in vivo by Nature
Inc.

See a pattern here? All the stuff comes from green 
eco-friendly plants or small tweaks of 'natural' molecules.

Strychnine comes straight off the plant. And cannabis is a 'sacrament' 
- lol!

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

John Newman wrote:

> Heavy abuse of alcohol is just as destructive
> as heavy use of any other drug.

Alcohol is good, because it is legal. If it were bad it
wouldn't be legal.

Drugs on the other hand are destroying the future of our
Christian children. 2 year old children are taking drugs
because atheists pushers are giving free drugs in preschool.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/25/2016 05:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 05:48:15PM -0800, Razer wrote:
>>
>> On 11/25/2016 05:28 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Morgan Freeman with some timeless wisdom:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoNNYLkQIsE
>>>
>>>
>> This isn't the one where he says very clearly, and distinctly "Tittie
>> Sprinkles" is it?
> No. Have you got a link?

Do I look like your biatch research assistant?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9YFEteeqDg

also see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w209CPuWs7w

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 05:48:15PM -0800, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/25/2016 05:28 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Morgan Freeman with some timeless wisdom:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoNNYLkQIsE
> >
> >
> 
> This isn't the one where he says very clearly, and distinctly "Tittie
> Sprinkles" is it?

No. Have you got a link?

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 05:49:06PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> On 11/25/2016 03:10 PM, John Newman wrote:
> > 
> > On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:21 PM, xorcist at sigaint.org  
> > wrote:
> > 
>  John Newman:
>  Heavy abuse of alcohol is just as destructive
>  as heavy use of any other drug.
> >>> John Newman:
> >>> On any severe alcoholic, or any person who dies of
> >>> alcohol poisoning or driving drunk, etc.
> >>
> >> Yeah, I meant the other way
> >>
> >>> "war on drugs"
> >>
> >> Seems to be working if you think alcohol is less than or equal to drugs in
> >> harmfulness
> >>
> > 
> > It is working?
> > 
> > Then you're either woefully stupid or willfully blind to a few issues - 
> > say, the mass incarceration of drug offenders in the American gulag, and 
> > the huge amount of violence the black markets have created in Central/South 
> > America. I could go on, but it's clear you don't give a shit (in other 
> > words you lack basic human compassion).
> 
> Actually, the real goal was destroying African-American communities, and
> it's been very effective in that respect :(

Morgan Freeman with some timeless wisdom:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoNNYLkQIsE


> >>> Take ld50 of water and tell me how safe it is. Dumb fuck =)
> >>
> >> Read a book =)
> >>
> >> "Because cannabinoid receptors [unlike opioid receptors] are not located
> >> in the brainstem areas controlling respiration, lethal overdoses from
> >> cannabis and cannabinoids do not occur."[1]
> >>
> >>> .5g of pot
> >>
> >> 500mg edible dose is .5g of oil, ~2.5g of cannabis @ ~20% THC
> >>
> >> Try it
> >>
> >> When inhaled, THC travels directly to the brain, as
> >> Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol
> >>
> >> When eaten, THC is metabolized by the liver, which converts it to
> >> 11-hydroxy-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol
> >>
> > 
> > So what exactly is your point? You've just established that effectively 
> > there is no ld50 for pot. How does that make it compare to alcohol 
> > unfavorably?
> > 
> > What happened, smoke a joint and get freaked out?  =)
> > 
> > That's the nice thing about weed - even though you had a little panic 
> > attack, you didn't jump in your car and start driving, or start beating on 
> > your girlfriend.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Mirimir]

On 11/25/2016 03:10 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> On Nov 25, 2016, at 2:21 PM, xorcist at sigaint.org  
> wrote:
> 
 John Newman:
 Heavy abuse of alcohol is just as destructive
 as heavy use of any other drug.
>>> John Newman:
>>> On any severe alcoholic, or any person who dies of
>>> alcohol poisoning or driving drunk, etc.
>>
>> Yeah, I meant the other way
>>
>>> "war on drugs"
>>
>> Seems to be working if you think alcohol is less than or equal to drugs in
>> harmfulness
>>
> 
> It is working?
> 
> Then you're either woefully stupid or willfully blind to a few issues - say, 
> the mass incarceration of drug offenders in the American gulag, and the huge 
> amount of violence the black markets have created in Central/South America. I 
> could go on, but it's clear you don't give a shit (in other words you lack 
> basic human compassion).

Actually, the real goal was destroying African-American communities, and
it's been very effective in that respect :(

>>> Take ld50 of water and tell me how safe it is. Dumb fuck =)
>>
>> Read a book =)
>>
>> "Because cannabinoid receptors [unlike opioid receptors] are not located
>> in the brainstem areas controlling respiration, lethal overdoses from
>> cannabis and cannabinoids do not occur."[1]
>>
>>> .5g of pot
>>
>> 500mg edible dose is .5g of oil, ~2.5g of cannabis @ ~20% THC
>>
>> Try it
>>
>> When inhaled, THC travels directly to the brain, as
>> Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol
>>
>> When eaten, THC is metabolized by the liver, which converts it to
>> 11-hydroxy-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol
>>
> 
> So what exactly is your point? You've just established that effectively there 
> is no ld50 for pot. How does that make it compare to alcohol unfavorably?
> 
> What happened, smoke a joint and get freaked out?  =)
> 
> That's the nice thing about weed - even though you had a little panic attack, 
> you didn't jump in your car and start driving, or start beating on your 
> girlfriend.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> [1]: The Internet
>>
>>
>> .
>>
> 
> 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

There is no Lethal Dose of Marijuana. Even in food. You'd vomit it all
up before you ever ate enough. There IS a lethal dose however for hash,
pot crack, 'shatter', oils, and other extracts people produce for profit
using all sorts of good shit like butane and ether.

So I guess the moral is "Abuse the sacrament and die".

No one will miss you hipster, poser. You would have killed yourself some
other stupid way anyway.

Rr


On 11/24/2016 05:45 PM, Me wrote:
> LD50 = lethal dose for 50% of population
>
> On November 24, 2016 5:02:58 PM CST, Zenaan Harkness
>  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 05:55:14PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
>
> On November 23, 2016 7:30:13 AM EST, "xorcist at sigaint.org
> "  wrote:
>
> John Newman: pot is definitely more benign than ecstacy 
>
> Take 500mg edible dose and say that shit 
>
> Take ld50 of water and tell me how safe it is. Dumb fuck =)
> Although, .5g of pot taken in edible form is not enough to
> cause whatever I think you're trying to imply, so... 
>
>
> (BTW, what's the "ld" in "ld60"?)
>
>
> At
> least 14 people have died from drinking too much water while doing
> sport
> 
> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/drinking-much-water-killed-14-5976264
>
>
> Water intoxication, also known as water poisoning or hyperhydration, is
> a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the
> normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside safe limits
> by overhydration.
> Under normal circumstances, accidentally consuming too much water is
> exceptionally rare.
> Nearly all deaths related to water intoxication in normal individuals
> have resulted either from water-drinking contests, in which individuals
> attempt to consume large amounts of water, or from long bouts of
> exercise during which excessive amounts of fluid were consumed.[1] In
> addition, water cure, a method of torture
> in which the victim is forced
> to consume excessive amounts of water, can cause water intoxication.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
>
>
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3260684/The-hiker-died-drinking-water-Excess-fluid-lack-food-caused-brain-fatally-swell.html
>
>
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Me]

LD50 = lethal dose for 50% of population

On November 24, 2016 5:02:58 PM CST, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 05:55:14PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
>> On November 23, 2016 7:30:13 AM EST, "xorcist at sigaint.org"
> wrote:
>> >> John Newman:
>> >> pot is definitely more benign than ecstacy
>> >Take 500mg edible dose and say that shit
>> 
>> Take ld50 of water and tell me how safe it is. Dumb fuck =) 
>> 
>> Although, .5g of pot taken in edible form is not enough 
>> to cause whatever I think you're trying to imply, so...
>
>(BTW, what's the "ld" in "ld60"?)
>
>
>At least 14 people have died from drinking too much water while doing
>sport
>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/drinking-much-water-killed-14-5976264
>
>
>Water intoxication, also known as water poisoning or hyperhydration, is
>a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when
>the
>normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside safe
>limits
>by overhydration.
>Under normal circumstances, accidentally consuming too much water is
>exceptionally rare.
>Nearly all deaths related to water intoxication in normal individuals
>have resulted either from water-drinking contests, in which individuals
>attempt to consume large amounts of water, or from long bouts of
>exercise during which excessive amounts of fluid were consumed.[1] In
>addition, water cure, a method of torture in which the victim is forced
>to consume excessive amounts of water, can cause water intoxication.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication
>
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3260684/The-hiker-died-drinking-water-Excess-fluid-lack-food-caused-brain-fatally-swell.html

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/24/2016 02:55 PM, John Newman wrote:
>
> On November 23, 2016 7:30:13 AM EST, "xorcist at sigaint.org" 
>  wrote:
>>> John Newman:
>>> Heavy abuse of alcohol is just as destructive
>>> as heavy use of any other drug.
>> On who? Prove it
> On any severe alcoholic, or any person who dies of
> alcohol poisoning or driving drunk, etc. As for proof, its
> self evident.
>
>>> Although I think [pot] does compare favorably
>>> to most other drugs..
>> Getting it in early for the Chelsea elections?
>>
> The fuck are you talking about? Not everyone is nearly 
> so fascinated or obsessed with the Clintons as you 
> seem to be..
>
> It is nice to see people so blatantly supporting the "war
> on drugs" though - keeps me grounded as to the state of
> humanity.
>
>>> pot is definitely more benign than ecstacy
>> Take 500mg edible dose and say that shit
> Take ld50 of water and tell me how safe it is. Dumb fuck =) 
>
> Although, .5g of pot taken in edible form is not enough 
> to cause whatever I think you're trying to imply, so...
>

.5 gram ain't sheet.

Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 05:55:14PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
> On November 23, 2016 7:30:13 AM EST, "xorcist at sigaint.org" 
>  wrote:
> >> John Newman:
> >> pot is definitely more benign than ecstacy
> >Take 500mg edible dose and say that shit
> 
> Take ld50 of water and tell me how safe it is. Dumb fuck =) 
> 
> Although, .5g of pot taken in edible form is not enough 
> to cause whatever I think you're trying to imply, so...

(BTW, what's the "ld" in "ld60"?)


At least 14 people have died from drinking too much water while doing
sport
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/drinking-much-water-killed-14-5976264


Water intoxication, also known as water poisoning or hyperhydration, is
a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the
normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside safe limits
by overhydration.
Under normal circumstances, accidentally consuming too much water is
exceptionally rare.
Nearly all deaths related to water intoxication in normal individuals
have resulted either from water-drinking contests, in which individuals
attempt to consume large amounts of water, or from long bouts of
exercise during which excessive amounts of fluid were consumed.[1] In
addition, water cure, a method of torture in which the victim is forced
to consume excessive amounts of water, can cause water intoxication.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3260684/The-hiker-died-drinking-water-Excess-fluid-lack-food-caused-brain-fatally-swell.html

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

> government mandating what said "crackhead" can put into his own body

Though I forgot to include 'use' law, it's clear I meant
a fully legal environment without any such drug laws.

> incarceration costs

You misread again, legal *drug* environment above has no such jail.

OP implied drug laws... not laws for theft, assault, vehicular,
or any other laws. All the latter laws are unlikely to be made
softer anytime soon due to innocence of 'brain disease'...
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/5dmffs/surgeon_general_issues_landmark_report_calling/

'People give a shit', even excluding whether or not they're on some
hate crusade or not, up to the point of enacting laws, whether
stupid laws or not... because what other people do does affect them,
directly and indirectly.

Just like filling the atmosphere with soot drops out on Greenland
warming ice raising your seas, in your lungs giving you cancer, etc.

> It could even be subsidized

Never said it couldn't, in fact more complete approach
involving addiction / health.
The tax hating anti staters here won't go for reallocating
any funds or subsidy.

> All your hyperbole about “no life caring aids transmuting ass”
> is just so much bullshit.

Regardless of if they're aware of support options or not, some will care,
others won't, or can't act on it, addiction is like that. No BS there.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/19/2016 08:32 AM, John Newman wrote:
> LOL. Amusing.. umm.. anecdote about Owsley :)  
>
> MDMA was first synthesized by Merck I think early 20th century.
> Alexander Shulgin definitely tried it in the 70s. He has a whole book
> that came out a while later about all the dope he cooked up and tried on
> himself with his schedule 1 DEA license (he could "legally" cook
> anything he wanted up, and he _was_ a trained chemist).
>
> I was being flippant with my MDMA remark anyway ;) Although I think it
> does compare favorably to most other drugs.. pot is definitely more benign
> than ecstacy, but I don't really consider pot a drug. Also, and I don't
> really want to get off in the weeds here too much, but you can buy MDMA
> test kits pretty cheap, and use sites like pillreports, etc. 
>
> John

Pot's not a drug. It's a category of medicine not recognized by
Allopathic medicine. A 'tonic'.

I live in a culture that's full of tweekers and ravers and one thing I
know for sure. Keep at it and the 'permaspin' is almost identical.
(Along with damaged teeth from gritting them. Why DO you think Ravers
developed a whole new adult market for pacifiers?) Never saw that much
permaspin in LSD daze. Most of the people who spun, unless they
otherwise damaged themselves or were caught and institutionalized and
medicated causing it's own sort of permanent nightmares, came back to
Earth eventually. I don't see that with MDMA. the spin is permanent.
Just like Meth.

I also don't understand why, with the advent of "Mushroom kits" etc,
anyone would mess with chemical crap. Compared to Mushrooms MDMA is a
pitiful excuse for a 'psychedelic' unless you really don't want a
psychedelic experience and just want to be, predictably, a 'love puddle'.

The idea WAS NOT 'to get high'. Not to 'bliss out'.

The idea was to experience, and learn.

Abie Hoffman took L, and it caused a great creative surge that caused
him to break from the Civil Rights movement and Saul Alinsky style
politics, 'Grok' on Marcuse, RD Laing, and develop something entirely
different, and very effective, to politicize the unpoliticizable...
Hedonist hippies, into cultural antiwar activists.

That would have NEVER happened if he'd been taking MDMA...  It's a
'control drug'. It controls people's minds it does NOT liberate
them.It's about 'feeling groovy' not 'being the groove'.

My $0.02c

Rr


>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:07:52AM -0800, Razer wrote:
>> MDMA is 'designer methamphetamine
>>
>> Do you how fucked up you look Tweaker?
>>
>> Tweaker!Tweaker! Tweaker!
>>
>> But I'm a Raver!
>>
>> Tweaker!Tweaker! Tweaker!
>>
>>  But I'm a HIPSTER!
>>
>> Tweaker!Tweaker! Tweaker!
>>
>>
>> Fuck you pharmapoisons. I took the best L on the planet back in the 60s,
>> and even THEN 99 percent of what was going around was ABSOLUTE GARBAGE.
>>
>> Now it's ALL garbage, and so is you delusion that it came from some
>> Czechoslovakian lab where they have a secret stash of Ergotamine
>> Tartrate, a warehouse full, and the Indole too! Number #35 Blue Sylvania
>> bulb? Nah! The DEA and every other drug enforcement agency on the planet
>> isn't going to notice when you order a case of them... Right. Sure.
>>
>> Here's someone who knew Owsley personally on the topic.
>>
>> March 15 2011 Travus T. Hipp Morning News & Commentary: Owsley, The Man
>> Who 'Changed The Minds' Of An Entire Generation... Literally... Passes
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/tth_110315
>>
>> Here's a synopsis. Owsley was a SPEEDFREAK, and the ONLY THING that made
>> him different than any other cooker was HE TRIED THE SHIT BEFORE HE SOLD
>> IT, instead of using YOU as the guinea pig.
>>
>> He knew shit about chemistry. His GF was studying at UCB and was mostly
>> responsible for making sure he did it sort of right when he wasn't
>> too spun.
>>
>> As Gil Scott-Heron put it the only problem with streetcorner chemists is
>> they can't remember if it's a little bit of this, and little bit of this
>> and a LOT of that... Or was that a lie biii o thiiis and
>> A lOT oF tHaT?
>>
>> Cued up ... Live in '83 right here...
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78tTKTkz778=youtu.be=20m16s
>>
>> Rr
>>
>> Ps. His 'Peace Tabs' were goood! If you knew how to spot the fakes.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[jim bell]

MDMA is Methylenedioxy methamphetamine.It's somewhat of a combination of a 
hallucinogen and a powerful stimulant, all in one molecule.
           Jim Bell.    BS Chemistry MIT 1980.

  From: Razer <ray...@riseup.net>
 To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org 
 Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:07 AM
 Subject: Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!
   
 MDMA is 'designer methamphetamine
 
   

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

MDMA is 'designer methamphetamine

Do you how fucked up you look Tweaker?

Tweaker!Tweaker! Tweaker!

But I'm a Raver!

Tweaker!Tweaker! Tweaker!

 But I'm a HIPSTER!

Tweaker!Tweaker! Tweaker!


Fuck you pharmapoisons. I took the best L on the planet back in the 60s,
and even THEN 99 percent of what was going around was ABSOLUTE GARBAGE.

Now it's ALL garbage, and so is you delusion that it came from some
Czechoslovakian lab where they have a secret stash of Ergotamine
Tartrate, a warehouse full, and the Indole too! Number #35 Blue Sylvania
bulb? Nah! The DEA and every other drug enforcement agency on the planet
isn't going to notice when you order a case of them... Right. Sure.

Here's someone who knew Owsley personally on the topic.

March 15 2011 Travus T. Hipp Morning News & Commentary: Owsley, The Man
Who 'Changed The Minds' Of An Entire Generation... Literally... Passes

https://archive.org/details/tth_110315

Here's a synopsis. Owsley was a SPEEDFREAK, and the ONLY THING that made
him different than any other cooker was HE TRIED THE SHIT BEFORE HE SOLD
IT, instead of using YOU as the guinea pig.

He knew shit about chemistry. His GF was studying at UCB and was mostly
responsible for making sure he did it sort of right when he wasn't
too spun.

As Gil Scott-Heron put it the only problem with streetcorner chemists is
they can't remember if it's a little bit of this, and little bit of this
and a LOT of that... Or was that a lie biii o thiiis and
A lOT oF tHaT?

Cued up ... Live in '83 right here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78tTKTkz778=youtu.be=20m16s

Rr

Ps. His 'Peace Tabs' were goood! If you knew how to spot the fakes.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:00 AM, John Newman  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 2:10 AM, grarpamp  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 12:14 PM, John Newman  wrote:
>>> wouldn't a bigtime drug supplier be interested in making political 
>>> donations to politicians who declare themselves unalterably opposed to drug 
>>> legalization?
>> It would be by far the most logical use of a relatively small portion
>> of his money
>> 
>> No, because while illegality produces high profit, it's also
>> high risk of jail / death. Lobbying instead for a legal
>> regime of business friendly regulation (unfree trade, franchise,
>> licensure, exclusive zoning, etc) can produce good profit at low risk.
>> 
>>> why the
>>> average person would even a.) give a shit what I (or anyone) puts in
>>> their own body
>> 
>> Even if completely legal and unregulated without a single
>> drug production distibution sale posession law on the books,
>> that production distribution sale process has a cost. Govt
>> will not give drugs away for free. And even if walmart stocks
>> them next to the cheerios and milk, consumer must
>> still buy them. But crackheads don't have jobs, so they'll
>> still either steal them raising your prices, or steal from you to
>> buy them, and jack up your taxes to cover their addicted,
>> public intox, no life caring about aids transmitting, ass in
>> medical. Avg people don't like that.
>> Legality quiets some of the messy aspects, but is
>> nowhere complete solution without solving addiction
>> and health. Go invent synthehol.
> 
> Heavy abuse of alcohol is just as destructive as heavy use of any other drug. 
> For people that want help, I totally support it. Said "crackhead" would have 
> far less negative societal impact if drugs were legal and cheap. And even 
> assuming he does run half crazy and get himself in trouble for theft - I 
> still don't support the government mandating what said "crackhead" can put 
> into his own body. It's none of my business, it's none of your business, it 
> sure as fuck isn't big brothers business. Your whole description and line of 
> reasoning reeks of reefer madness style bullshit - no pun intended.
> 
> Also, they have invented "synthenol" - it's called MDMA ;)
> 
> John

Also - I think it’s obvious that if drugs prohibition stopped, there
would be a transition from JAILS to prevention, support, and recovery
services. It could even be subsidized by the “state” which you are
so worried about covering incarceration costs!  Same with aids
transmission.  Free works for everyone, free narcan spray for all
junkies, detox and recovery services subsidized at a fraction of
the cost we pay the pigs, the courts, and the prisons.

All your hyperbole about “no life caring aids transmuting ass”  is
just so much bullshit.


John

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 2:10 AM, grarpamp  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 12:14 PM, John Newman  wrote:
>> wouldn't a bigtime drug supplier be interested in making political donations 
>> to politicians who declare themselves unalterably opposed to drug 
>> legalization?
> It would be by far the most logical use of a relatively small portion
> of his money
> 
> No, because while illegality produces high profit, it's also
> high risk of jail / death. Lobbying instead for a legal
> regime of business friendly regulation (unfree trade, franchise,
> licensure, exclusive zoning, etc) can produce good profit at low risk.
> 
>> why the
>> average person would even a.) give a shit what I (or anyone) puts in
>> their own body
> 
> Even if completely legal and unregulated without a single
> drug production distibution sale posession law on the books,
> that production distribution sale process has a cost. Govt
> will not give drugs away for free. And even if walmart stocks
> them next to the cheerios and milk, consumer must
> still buy them. But crackheads don't have jobs, so they'll
> still either steal them raising your prices, or steal from you to
> buy them, and jack up your taxes to cover their addicted,
> public intox, no life caring about aids transmitting, ass in
> medical. Avg people don't like that.
> Legality quiets some of the messy aspects, but is
> nowhere complete solution without solving addiction
> and health. Go invent synthehol.

Heavy abuse of alcohol is just as destructive as heavy use of any other drug. 
For people that want help, I totally support it. Said "crackhead" would have 
far less negative societal impact if drugs were legal and cheap. And even 
assuming he does run half crazy and get himself in trouble for theft - I still 
don't support the government mandating what said "crackhead" can put into his 
own body. It's none of my business, it's none of your business, it sure as fuck 
isn't big brothers business. Your whole description and line of reasoning reeks 
of reefer madness style bullshit - no pun intended.

Also, they have invented "synthenol" - it's called MDMA ;)

John

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 12:14 PM, John Newman  wrote:
> wouldn't a bigtime drug supplier be interested in making political donations 
> to politicians who declare themselves unalterably opposed to drug 
> legalization?
It would be by far the most logical use of a relatively small portion
of his money

No, because while illegality produces high profit, it's also
high risk of jail / death. Lobbying instead for a legal
regime of business friendly regulation (unfree trade, franchise,
licensure, exclusive zoning, etc) can produce good profit at low risk.

> why the
> average person would even a.) give a shit what I (or anyone) puts in
> their own body

Even if completely legal and unregulated without a single
drug production distibution sale posession law on the books,
that production distribution sale process has a cost. Govt
will not give drugs away for free. And even if walmart stocks
them next to the cheerios and milk, consumer must
still buy them. But crackheads don't have jobs, so they'll
still either steal them raising your prices, or steal from you to
buy them, and jack up your taxes to cover their addicted,
public intox, no life caring about aids transmitting, ass in
medical. Avg people don't like that.
Legality quiets some of the messy aspects, but is
nowhere complete solution without solving addiction
and health. Go invent synthehol.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[jim bell]

 From: John Newman 

   
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 04:17:12PM +, jim bell wrote:

>> Yes, that is a very interesting current example of such a thing. ??My 
>> question is, are the right people being killed?Is it anybody associated with 
>> drugs that is dying, or is it just such people who are merely unpopular with 
>> the police?


>Yes, drug prohibition creates the black markets that creates the wildly
inflated prices that attracts the narco mafias and other organized crime
structures. 

BTW, after I'd sent my comment, I did an "oops".  I didn't mean to suggest that 
I approved, at all, of Duarte's policy.  ("right people being killed"). Quite 
the opposite. I meant, within the context of that extremist policy, were the 
people being killed only those that the policy defined?  Or were there 
exceptions?
       Jim Bell   

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[Razer]

On 11/17/2016 10:09 AM, juan wrote:

>   What question is that?

The Question restated for your benefit:

Are you interested in this convo regarding what to do in the interim
between the time the police go away and the time the MAJORITY of people
take personal responsibility towards others welfare and safety, or just
compulsively typing the first twisted thing that pop into your mind?

Rr

> On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:12:42 -0800
> Razer  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 11/16/2016 11:35 PM, juan wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that is a big problem because people who've been
>>> indoctrinated since early childhood have no incentives to
>>> learn that what they've been taught is wrong. 
>> Yes, and they're going to rape your wife and kill you...
>
>   That sounds like terrorist propaganda =)
>
>
>> And there's
>> no one, or fewer people in the society, that can or will, OR HAVE THE
>> SKILLS and WHEREWITHAL to, resist that marauding.
>>
>> I'm asking a question that separates realists from armchair anarchists
>
>   What question is that?
>
>
>> who like to 'smoke their opium' and dream of a better world. One they
>> have no hand in actually making.
>>
>> Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 07:12:42 -0800
Razer  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 11/16/2016 11:35 PM, juan wrote:
> 
> > Yes, that is a big problem because people who've been
> > indoctrinated since early childhood have no incentives to
> > learn that what they've been taught is wrong. 
> 
> Yes, and they're going to rape your wife and kill you...


That sounds like terrorist propaganda =)


> And there's
> no one, or fewer people in the society, that can or will, OR HAVE THE
> SKILLS and WHEREWITHAL to, resist that marauding.
> 
> I'm asking a question that separates realists from armchair anarchists


What question is that?


> who like to 'smoke their opium' and dream of a better world. One they
> have no hand in actually making.
> 
> Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Mirimir]

On 11/17/2016 09:17 AM, jim bell wrote:
> 
> 
>  From: Mirimir 
> 
> On 11/16/2016 08:11 PM, grarpamp wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Razer  wrote:
 If police
 vanished off the street this second what do you think might happen,
 realistically?
>>
>>> There'd be a whole lotta thugs rising up, and becoming dead thugs
>>> just as fast. More efficient than today's model of dethugging?
>>> Who knows. Don't be a thug.
>> Consider the Philippines. Young mothers becoming assassins ;)
> Yes, that is a very interesting current example of such a thing.  
> My question is, are the right people being killed?Is it anybody 
> associated with drugs that is dying, or is it just such people 
> who are merely unpopular with the police?
> Consider this logic:  If a person is a bigtime drug dealer, 
> just about the most 'threatening' thing to him is that the 
> drugs he sells would be declared legal.



Well, I do get the sense that it's been mostly low-level people, working
in the streets, who have been killed.[0] But Duterte's list apparently
includes "government, military and police officials".[1] And the article
doesn't even suggest the possibility that they're just his political
opponents. And a Mirror article does claim that innocent people are
being killed.[2] So it's probably not a good model approach.

[0]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3867524/Crimes-against-humanity-Philippines-president-accused-atrocities-intensifies-war-drugs-leaving-bodies-strewn-streets.html

[1]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/philippines-president-rodrigo-duterte-mayor-dead-war-on-drugs-gunfight-makilala-datu-saudi-ampatuan-a7384321.html

[2]
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/husband-wife-death-squad-execute-9114244

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 04:17:12PM +, jim bell wrote:
> 
> 
>  From: Mirimir 
> 
> On 11/16/2016 08:11 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Razer  wrote:
> >>> If police
> >>> vanished off the street this second what do you think might happen,
> >>> realistically?
> > 
> >> There'd be a whole lotta thugs rising up, and becoming dead thugs
> >> just as fast. More efficient than today's model of dethugging?
> >> Who knows. Don't be a thug.
> >Consider the Philippines. Young mothers becoming assassins ;)
> Yes, that is a very interesting current example of such a thing. ??My 
> question is, are the right people being killed?Is it anybody associated with 
> drugs that is dying, or is it just such people who are merely unpopular with 
> the police?
> Consider this logic: ??If a person is a bigtime drug dealer, just about the 
> most 'threatening' thing to him is that the drugs he sells would be declared 
> legal. ??During my time in Federal prison, I explained on countless occasions 
> that I am a libertarian, and if I had my way, all currently-illegal drugs 
> would be decriminalized. ??(Ideally, legalized with NO taxation!). ?? The 
> prisoners I told this to 'got it': ??Legalization would be the elimination of 
> their income, their way of life.So, wouldn't a bigtime drug supplier be 
> interested in making political donations to politicians who declare 
> themselves unalterably opposed to drug legalization? ??It would be by far the 
> most logical use of a relatively small portion of his money, helping to 
> guarantee that anti-drug laws would not be loosened. ?? ?? ?? ??Jim Bell
> 


Yes, drug prohibition creates the black markets that creates the wildly
inflated prices that attracts the narco mafias and other organized crime
structures. It's a ridiculous failed policy that has never made sense,
and something I've never been able to wrap my head around as to why the
average person would even a.) give a shit what I (or anyone) puts in
their own body and b.) NOT understand the correlation between drugs
prohibition and the fucking massive violent crime it creates.

Its fucking crazy man.  And yes I could totally imagine people like
Shorty Guzman having a vested interest in keeping drugs prohibition
alive  the amount of marijuana coming from south of the border has
gone down dramatically in the past few years, cuz of all the states
where it is legal or decriminalized, and the quality of the bud from
said states being SO much superior to the shit from mexico.


John 


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Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Mirimir]

On 11/16/2016 08:11 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Razer  wrote:
>> If police
>> vanished off the street this second what do you think might happen,
>> realistically?
> 
> There'd be a whole lotta thugs rising up, and becoming dead thugs
> just as fast. More efficient than today's model of dethugging?
> Who knows. Don't be a thug.

Consider the Philippines. Young mothers becoming assassins ;)

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:05:44 +1100
Zenaan Harkness  wrote:


> 
> > 
> > > of to people who might then vote for his nobodys.
> > > If you want a vote you have to put it in everyday practical terms.
> > > No offense to the Juans's out there, just saying.
> > 
> > No problem. I just explained why it's a mistake to demand
> > explanations =P
> 
> Problem is, we're not starting from a blank slate.

Yes, that is a big problem because people who've been
indoctrinated since early childhood have no incentives to learn
that what they've been taught is wrong. 


> 
> We have aggressors, carrying guns, extorting money, as our starting
> point.
> 
> What's being asked for (and no, I have no easy answers either), is how
> do we transition whilst minimizing interim aggression.


I can't imagine a 'collective' transition. Official 'collective'
entities, basically nation-states, are always moving in the
opposite direction.  I suppose what is needed is a critical
mass to set up something like the free NO-state project.



> 
> And no, neither your nor nobody is obliged to answer that question.
> There's merely a hope that we might find a sane pathway out of this
> mess we are collectively in.


See above...

> 
> Good luck,

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 01:48:46AM -0300, Juan wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 23:28:21 -0500
> grarpamp  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Razer  wrote:
> > > [?]
> > 
> > Well, those are the practical everyday questions people
> > like Juan refuse to answer and explain the potential
> > workings
> 
> 
>   That is not how it works =) A few points in no particular
>   order : 
> 
>   a) I am under no obligation to explain anything
> 
>   b) there are TONS of literature dealing with political
>   philosophy
> 
>   c) utilitarianism is a joke 
> 
>   d) at any rate, it's aggressors who should be doing the
>   explaining. People who support the state's authority should
>   provide the 'rational' basis for their obey-or-die 'philosophy'

Ack.

> 
> > of to people who might then vote for his nobodys.
> > If you want a vote you have to put it in everyday practical terms.
> > No offense to the Juans's out there, just saying.
> 
>   No problem. I just explained why it's a mistake to demand
>   explanations =P

Problem is, we're not starting from a blank slate.

We have aggressors, carrying guns, extorting money, as our starting
point.

What's being asked for (and no, I have no easy answers either), is how
do we transition whilst minimizing interim aggression.

And no, neither your nor nobody is obliged to answer that question.
There's merely a hope that we might find a sane pathway out of this
mess we are collectively in.

Good luck,

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/16/2016 07:59 PM, juan wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:48:56 -0800
> Razer  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 11/16/2016 07:11 PM, grarpamp wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Razer  wrote:
 If police
 vanished off the street this second what do you think might happen,
 realistically?
>>> There'd be a whole lotta thugs rising up, and becoming dead thugs
>>> just as fast. More efficient than today's model of dethugging?
>>> Who knows. Don't be a thug.
>> Umn... What about all the unarmed non-thugs? They're going to kill the
>> thugs?
>>
>> Run them out of town on a rail?
>>
>> Former blackwater employees who band up? No-longer employed Cops
>> working with exactly the people they worked with in uniform etc?
>
>
>   Are you suggesting that "former blackwater employees" (which
>   are 'ex' US military psychos) are kept in check by...cops? 
>   
>   


No... Absolutely not.

>> You REALLY expect them to all kill each other off before they decimate
>> the rest of the population? Really? Really REALLY?
>   The hypothetical scenario is not being fully explained. IF all
>   cops dissapeared, then what. The military would take over? That
>   makes no difference from the point of view of the state's
>   subjects, so it's not even interesting as 'thought experiment'.
>
>   If all 'law enforcement' psychos lost their power? Then the
>   mafia would take over? Again, that would simply be a re-cycling
>   of the state.
>

Problem is they don't "Disappear". They're just abandoned to run amuck
marauding.

I'd suggest retraining them to do something socially useful like Social
worker or something but I'm dreaming... I've actually suggested that to
a few face to face that comes the revolution we'll retrain them to do
something more useful, and if they don;t want to they can live on
welfare... It's ok by me. :>

>
>   
>> Jajajajajajaa! Gasp cough Ak AcK ACk ... choking noises...
>>
>> Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

> On Nov 16, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:26:23PM -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
>>> On 11/16/2016 11:14 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
 On 11/16/2016 11:19 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
 
 It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the
 system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or
 Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that
 much more difficult to turn Texas blue.
>>> 
>>> When the DNC deliberately sabotaged the Sanders campaign, using every
>>> means necessary to assure Clinton's nomination, the Democratic Party
>>> lost the Presidential election.  It's as simple as that.
> 
>> If you're saying Bernie would have slayed it against the Donald in the
>> November election if given the chance, I agree. However the Clinton
>> campaign did make quite a few mistakes that hurt whatever chance she had.
> 
>>> The Democratic party just proved itself worse than worthless and less
>>> than useless, except of course in the eyes of Progressive Liberals who
>>> expect to gain personal financial advantages from NeoLiberal national
>>> policy.  Even with Sanders, they could have kept and expanded their
>>> personal sense of categorical superiority to anyone who is so
>>> ignorant, bigoted, etc. as to disagree with them.
> 
>> I wouldn't say "worse than worthless and less than useless" but I am
>> definitely disappointed in the Democratic party leadership.
> 
> SKQuinn, your response to Steve, and in particular the bit you left
> out and failed to respond to, speaks very loudly.
> 
> Mash that button dude, mash that button!

Write another tract about what a fantastic dictator Putin is and how the 
Russian STATE is so fucking great.  Let's hear more about the good things we 
can learn from Stalinism 

Mash them buttons Zen!!!  "Up your game!"

And Alex : please don't fucking respond for Zen with more ascii boner art. He's 
a big boy.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

Laughing at all the people here debating, loving, and dying for
certain parties, platforms, and ideologies whichever they may be.
Ha Ha Ha! It's all a fucking setup by those ppi.
Only candidates worth a shit are indies of their own mind who
say fuck off / ignore to everyone else running as such a ppi,
most of which are false anyway.
Time people realise that and vote the indie of their choice.
Support an indie, bitcoin:12Rw9woayifgHAgox9CcWizigqmtKeaqyB

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/16/2016 07:11 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Razer  wrote:
>> If police
>> vanished off the street this second what do you think might happen,
>> realistically?
> There'd be a whole lotta thugs rising up, and becoming dead thugs
> just as fast. More efficient than today's model of dethugging?
> Who knows. Don't be a thug.

Umn... What about all the unarmed non-thugs? They're going to kill the
thugs?

Run them out of town on a rail?

Former blackwater employees who band up? No-longer employed Cops working
with exactly the people they worked with in uniform etc?

You REALLY expect them to all kill each other off before they decimate
the rest of the population? Really? Really REALLY?

Jajajajajajaa! Gasp cough Ak AcK ACk ... choking noises...

Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Razer  wrote:
> If police
> vanished off the street this second what do you think might happen,
> realistically?

There'd be a whole lotta thugs rising up, and becoming dead thugs
just as fast. More efficient than today's model of dethugging?
Who knows. Don't be a thug.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:26:23PM -0600, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
> On 11/16/2016 11:14 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
> > On 11/16/2016 11:19 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
> >
> > > It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the
> > > system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or
> > > Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that
> > > much more difficult to turn Texas blue.
> >
> > When the DNC deliberately sabotaged the Sanders campaign, using every
> > means necessary to assure Clinton's nomination, the Democratic Party
> > lost the Presidential election.  It's as simple as that.

> If you're saying Bernie would have slayed it against the Donald in the
> November election if given the chance, I agree. However the Clinton
> campaign did make quite a few mistakes that hurt whatever chance she had.

> > The Democratic party just proved itself worse than worthless and less
> > than useless, except of course in the eyes of Progressive Liberals who
> > expect to gain personal financial advantages from NeoLiberal national
> > policy.  Even with Sanders, they could have kept and expanded their
> > personal sense of categorical superiority to anyone who is so
> > ignorant, bigoted, etc. as to disagree with them.

> I wouldn't say "worse than worthless and less than useless" but I am
> definitely disappointed in the Democratic party leadership.

SKQuinn, your response to Steve, and in particular the bit you left
out and failed to respond to, speaks very loudly.

Mash that button dude, mash that button!

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/16/2016 10:14 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
> On 11/16/2016 10:46 AM, Razer wrote:
>> I'll repeat something I KNOW I said on this list somewhere along the
>> line:
>>
>> I don't give a fuck about your "Blue" faction of the one party state
>> with an ideology of American exceptionalism, and global war as it's
>> economic basis.
> Honestly, if you're going to vote exclusively for candidates with no
> realistic chance of being elected... you may as well just not vote.


I DON'T vote, and further, as I stated farther back, even the
Narco-state Colombia has a "none" option on their ballots.

Rr

>> Ps. Just gave this link 
>> to someone researching the connection between a Google exec who lives
>> locally and a local anti-homeless hate group/gentrifier/property
>> development org.
>>
>> I understand you work for Google. If you do, you're working for
>> Fascists-in-America.
> I do not work for Google. Whoever told you this was mistaken and has
> made an error in fact.
>
> (If I did, wouldn't I be using a Gmail address? Also, if I did work
> for Google, why would I openly criticize them on my blog?)
> -- 
> Shawn K. Quinn 
> http://www.rantroulette.com
> http://www.skqrecordquest.com

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/16/2016 09:14 AM, Steve Kinney wrote I'm going to crib:

> Show a Progressive Liberal a button labeled "Kill a random foreign
> family to help assure your own children's future financial security,"
> and not one of them would push it. But label that button "Obama and
> Clinton's Foreign Policy Agenda," and they will pound that button
> until their fingers bleed - but not as much as the children of those
> same foreign families bleed.  They are still bleeding right now.

*+* *∞

*Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 11/16/2016 11:14 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
> On 11/16/2016 11:19 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
>
> > It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the
> > system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or
> > Mickey Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that
> > much more difficult to turn Texas blue.
>
> When the DNC deliberately sabotaged the Sanders campaign, using every
> means necessary to assure Clinton's nomination, the Democratic Party
> lost the Presidential election.  It's as simple as that.
If you're saying Bernie would have slayed it against the Donald in the
November election if given the chance, I agree. However the Clinton
campaign did make quite a few mistakes that hurt whatever chance she had.
> The Democratic party just proved itself worse than worthless and less
> than useless, except of course in the eyes of Progressive Liberals who
> expect to gain personal financial advantages from NeoLiberal national
> policy.  Even with Sanders, they could have kept and expanded their
> personal sense of categorical superiority to anyone who is so
> ignorant, bigoted, etc. as to disagree with them.
I wouldn't say "worse than worthless and less than useless" but I am
definitely disappointed in the Democratic party leadership. Of course,
the Republican party proved itself worthless by nominating Trump, who
still got elected despite former presidents urging voters not to vote
for him! Despite being the biggest jerk that I've ever seen a
presidential candidate be. Despite openly violating laws against
inciting a riot (I'm still not sure how he got away with that). Despite
asking "why can't we just nuke Russia?" three times in the span of an
hour-long national security briefing (this one scares the hell out of me
and it should scare the hell out of you too). Despite the inexcusable
"7-11" gaffe (sheesh, even Dan Quayle wouldn't have screwed up *that*
badly).

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn 
http://www.rantroulette.com
http://www.skqrecordquest.com

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 11/16/2016 10:46 AM, Razer wrote:
> I'll repeat something I KNOW I said on this list somewhere along the line:
>
> I don't give a fuck about your "Blue" faction of the one party state
> with an ideology of American exceptionalism, and global war as it's
> economic basis.
Honestly, if you're going to vote exclusively for candidates with no
realistic chance of being elected... you may as well just not vote.
> Ps. Just gave this link 
> to someone researching the connection between a Google exec who lives
> locally and a local anti-homeless hate group/gentrifier/property
> development org.
>
> I understand you work for Google. If you do, you're working for
> Fascists-in-America.
I do not work for Google. Whoever told you this was mistaken and has
made an error in fact.

(If I did, wouldn't I be using a Gmail address? Also, if I did work for
Google, why would I openly criticize them on my blog?)

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn 
http://www.rantroulette.com
http://www.skqrecordquest.com

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:19:46 -0600
"Shawn K. Quinn"  wrote:

> In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey
> Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump
> and made it that much more difficult to turn Texas blue.



> I'd like to know why there are so many stupid people in this country


See above.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[jim bell]

 From: Shawn K. Quinn 

>> That's EXACTLY what I want.
>It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the
>system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey
>Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more
>difficult to turn Texas blue.
I guess you're assuming that everybody WANTS to "turn Texas blue".  As a 
lifetime libertarian, just about the last thing I want would be to "turn Texas 
blue".  
          Jim Bell



   

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 11/16/2016 10:12 AM, Razer wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/16/2016 02:53 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
>> On 11/12/2016 02:41 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>>> Quinn tried to explain you how the (North!) American elections work. 
>>> It's pretty illogical, unfair and doesn't make any sense to the rest
>>> of the world, but hey, it is _not_ his fault!  He was just trying to
>>> help you, guy.  There was no sarcasm or lie in his message.
>> Exactly. Sure, technically you can write in anybody and vote for anybody
>> on the ballot. But the reality is, unless an overwhelming number of
>> people vote third-party, it's just going to take more votes away from
>> the second-place candidate and it's effectively a vote for the eventual
>> winner. Doesn't matter if the votes are for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson,
>> Evan McMullin, or Mickey Mouse.
>>
>
> You know... When people tell me voting for a third party does this or
> that, or how it will break the system...
>
> That's EXACTLY what I want.
It doesn't do what you think it does. It does nothing to break the
system. In Texas, if you voted for Stein, Johnson, McMullin, or Mickey
Mouse... you effectively voted for Trump and made it that much more
difficult to turn Texas blue.
> What I'm wondering is how many people voted for the guy with the
> little hands just to break the motherfucker, not because they thought
> he'd 'do a good job'. Probably more than anyone knows.
I'd like to know why there are so many stupid people in this country
that actually thought Trump would be a good president.

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn 
http://www.rantroulette.com
http://www.skqrecordquest.com

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

> On Nov 16, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Shawn K. Quinn  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/12/2016 02:41 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>> Quinn tried to explain you how the (North!) American elections work. 
>> It's pretty illogical, unfair and doesn't make any sense to the rest
>> of the world, but hey, it is _not_ his fault!  He was just trying to
>> help you, guy.  There was no sarcasm or lie in his message.
> 
> Exactly. Sure, technically you can write in anybody and vote for anybody
> on the ballot. But the reality is, unless an overwhelming number of
> people vote third-party, it's just going to take more votes away from
> the second-place candidate and it's effectively a vote for the eventual
> winner. Doesn't matter if the votes are for Jill Stein, Gary Johnson,
> Evan McMullin, or Mickey Mouse.
> 
> -- 
> Shawn K. Quinn 
> http://www.rantroulette.com
> http://www.skqrecordquest.com
> 

The other thing about US elections is the whole thing is a dog and pony show 
for the "electorate".  

Maybe Hillary would've done marginally better on the environment. Otherwise, 
even with an embarrassing buffoon like Trump... what's the fucking difference?  

John

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/15/2016 10:24 AM, juan wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 02:20:22 -0500
> grarpamp  wrote:
>
>> Your nobody is not Juan's nobody.
> "Nobody will solve your problems, vote for Nobody"  - That's the common
> sense and anarchist approach. Rayzer's isn't.
>

Umn... "Common Sense" got us where we are.

It depends on whose 'sense' is 'common'. I think it's rather obvious
whose that might be. The people with the guns and armies who herd the
sheeple get to decide the 'sense'. That's 'common'.

Voting for nobody is only the immediate resolution. The full resolution
is to get the person whose 'better than nobody' into the offal orifice,
'screaming and kicking' as Twain describe that sorry soul.

Zaphod Beeblebrox woiud be adequate for the job.

> He was briefly the President of the Galaxy (a role that involves no
> power whatsoever, and merely requires the incumbent to attract
> attention so no one wonders who's really in charge, a role for which
> Zaphod was perfectly suited)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaphod_Beeblebrox

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 02:20:22 -0500
grarpamp  wrote:

> Your nobody is not Juan's nobody.

"Nobody will solve your problems, vote for Nobody"  - That's the common
sense and anarchist approach. Rayzer's isn't.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/14/2016 11:20 PM, grarpamp wrote:

> Your nobody is not Juan's nobody.


Mine is solution-focused nobody.

I also don't believe you can simply eliminate governments, or armies, or
police agencies just... like... that. Anyone who says such things is
either an idiot, a or a feudal warlord with an armory and a flock of
marauding friends waiting for the opportunity to rip you off.

Personally, I think that last describes the typical "Libertarian" in the
US. Anarcho or not.

Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

Your nobody is not Juan's nobody.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/13/2016 10:12 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 4:16 PM, juan  wrote:
>> I think the point is that "nobody" got the most votes so
>> "nobody" should be president
> That's fine too. But without people out there explaining exactly
> how that will work in peoples daily lives, how to translate and
> integrate it, how to get things done... it won't happen.
> And since many who would suggest nobody are often too
> busy being little ragekids set on destroy, not much evolving
> and explaining is getting done, and thus not many nobody
> are being elected.


The way it works should be stupidly simple. If "Nobody" wins, the
election is declared null and void and a new slate of candidates is
offered (within some time frame shorter than the original election
campaign) while the sitting executive remains in office (with perhaps
reduced powers) until 'nobody' has less votes than one of the candidates
offered.

Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 01:12:04AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 4:16 PM, juan  wrote:
> > I think the point is that "nobody" got the most votes so
> > "nobody" should be president
> 
> That's fine too. But without people out there explaining exactly
> how that will work in peoples daily lives, how to translate and
> integrate it, how to get things done... it won't happen.

Ack!!

This is fundamental.

Even two humans living and working together for 10 years can be quite a
journey.

Recommended, much to learn (almost all about self), not easy.


> And since many who would suggest nobody are often too
> busy being little ragekids set on destroy,

Aye.


> not much evolving and explaining is getting done, and thus not many
> nobody are being elected.

When the US dollar implodes, well prior to ~2024, tis almost certain
the existing oligarchs will transition the money to a new money system
they also control.

Without a genuine "grass roots" base of folks experimenting and learning
with one another, learning how to love and how to humanely "hate" or
rather handle those who hate, you are absolutely right grarpamp - there
just won't be much if any explainin goin on cept from the lame stream
media / the existing oligarchs about their chosen 'transition' which the
country / world 'has to have'.

Folks inspired by the Free State Project are perhaps the most likely
only possible alternative for a new future, a new enlightenment - which
can only ever be created with this "evolving and explaining" you speak
of, and so many crave and some cry for.

Good luck all,

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 4:16 PM, juan  wrote:
> I think the point is that "nobody" got the most votes so
> "nobody" should be president

That's fine too. But without people out there explaining exactly
how that will work in peoples daily lives, how to translate and
integrate it, how to get things done... it won't happen.
And since many who would suggest nobody are often too
busy being little ragekids set on destroy, not much evolving
and explaining is getting done, and thus not many nobody
are being elected.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 2:02 PM, John Newman  wrote:
> wonder what Joe Dumbshit will think when those factory jobs DON'T come 
> back

Same thing he will when they don't come back under Clinton or Bernie
or any other current major figure either. Raping, sellout and efficiency
away of "good factory jobs" economy is eventual in a 1% system with
no redistribution of harvested wealth. It's a foolish race to the top before
the implosion without them realizing the top is the final lost position.
All sorts of bad things happen with that.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[rooty]

 Original Message  On Nov 12, 2016, 12:51 PM, Cecilia Tanaka 
wrote: On Nov 12, 2016 5:19 PM, "xorcist at sigaint.org" wrote: > > > John 
Newman: > > as Juan said, fucking bad news that Trump won > > John = Juan > > 
Clarifies Juan's deep knowledge of a place he don't live.

God, Xorcist! Juan and John are different guys and this insinuation is pretty 
offensive for both!

You have been warned -

Please I like you, but don't be so troll. I swear they are different persons! 
:P And the people can read, travel, and know different places and cultures! :P 
Before you kick me, I know John and Juan are the same name in different 
languages. In Portuguese, it's João. :)

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Nov 12, 2016 5:19 PM, "xorcist at sigaint.org" 
wrote:
>
> > John Newman:
> > as Juan said, fucking bad news that Trump won
>
> John = Juan
>
> Clarifies Juan's deep knowledge of a place he don't live.

God, Xorcist!  Juan and John are different guys and this insinuation is
pretty offensive for both!  Please I like you, but don't be so troll.  I
swear they are different persons!  :P

And the people can read, travel, and know different places and cultures!  :P

Before you kick me, I know John and Juan are the same name in different
languages.  In Portuguese, it's João.  :)

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:18 PM, xorcist at sigaint.org  wrote:

>> John Newman:
>> as Juan said, fucking bad news that Trump won
> 
> John = Juan
> 
> Clarifies Juan's deep knowledge of a place he don't live.
> 

It doesn't take deep knowledge to recognize the blindingly obvious.

Congrats on your favorite pick winning though.
 
Did you rock the vote?

Don't bother answering, I don't give a shit =)

John

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 4:58 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jim wrote:
> 
>> Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!
> 
> 
>So, good news, the wicked witch lost. Bad news, trump won

The history of American politics is a wretched piece of surreal theatre 
Americans laboring under the illusion of freedom at home while every murderous 
trick is taken by government in cahoots with industry to maximize profits for 
the oligarchic elite. The Dulles brothers set the template in Guatemala...

Trump promises a return to a time (the post ww2 boom in America) when America 
profited in particular off the fact that most of the rest of the developed 
world had been bombed to shit, its industry destroyed. It's a nice con, and I'm 
quite sure he will do everything in his considerable power to enrich himself, 
his class, and his cronies, but I wonder what Joe Dumbshit will think when 
those factory jobs DON'T come back

I'd say I hope it all gets burned down to the fucking ground, but I happen to 
live in the DC area.

Actually, I still hope that =).  



John

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

Jim wrote:

>Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!


So, good news, the wicked witch lost. Bad news, trump won.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 07:20:33PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
> 
> > On Nov 10, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> > 
> >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 06:16:33PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 00:30:30 -0500
> >> grarpamp  wrote:
> >> 
>  On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Razer  wrote:
>  So the final numbers for  Election Day are:
>  
>  231,556,622 eligible voters
>  
>  46.9% didn't vote
>  25.6% voted Clinton
>  25.5% voted Trump
>  
>  NOBODY got the most votes!
> >>> 
> >>> I'm ok with that... means there's plenty of room
> >>> for someone representing and executing a different
> >>> arrangement of ideas to get 25.7%.
> >> 
> >> 
> >>I think the point is that "nobody" got the most votes so
> >>"nobody" should be president
> >> 
> >>Also voting age is of course statist nonsense so the number of
> >>votes for "nobody" is even higher.
> > 
> > I want to marry my rock, and my rock wants to vote, it's an assisted
> > rock, assisted by me, so I assist it to the voting booth, the only
> > slight difficulty might be proving sentience, assuming such state
> > ordered nonsense as "sentience" were set as the minimum bar for voting
> > -though if it can be tested, I can prolly write a computer program for
> > my robot to demonstrate sentience.
> 
> Sentience test??? That's voter disenfranchisement. 
> 
> Anyone dumb enough to think their vote means jack shit is barely sentient 
> anyway =)

Just as well my rock doubles my sentience quotient - AND gives me^B
ahem, ahem, my rock, an extra vote, sorry, its own vote!

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 06:16:33PM -0300, Juan wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 00:30:30 -0500
>> grarpamp  wrote:
>> 
 On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Razer  wrote:
 So the final numbers for  Election Day are:
 
 231,556,622 eligible voters
 
 46.9% didn't vote
 25.6% voted Clinton
 25.5% voted Trump
 
 NOBODY got the most votes!
>>> 
>>> I'm ok with that... means there's plenty of room
>>> for someone representing and executing a different
>>> arrangement of ideas to get 25.7%.
>> 
>> 
>>I think the point is that "nobody" got the most votes so
>>"nobody" should be president
>> 
>>Also voting age is of course statist nonsense so the number of
>>votes for "nobody" is even higher.
> 
> I want to marry my rock, and my rock wants to vote, it's an assisted
> rock, assisted by me, so I assist it to the voting booth, the only
> slight difficulty might be proving sentience, assuming such state
> ordered nonsense as "sentience" were set as the minimum bar for voting
> -though if it can be tested, I can prolly write a computer program for
> my robot to demonstrate sentience.

Sentience test??? That's voter disenfranchisement. 

Anyone dumb enough to think their vote means jack shit is barely sentient 
anyway =)

> :)

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Razer  wrote:
> So the final numbers for  Election Day are:
>
> 231,556,622 eligible voters
>
> 46.9% didn't vote
> 25.6% voted Clinton
> 25.5% voted Trump
>
> NOBODY got the most votes!

I'm ok with that... means there's plenty of room
for someone representing and executing a different
arrangement of ideas to get 25.7%.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 6:28 AM, John Newman  wrote:
> Fuck the USA =)

She's a pretty hawt bish, nice robes, cute hat, bit of a bookworm,
tough as nails, got that indepndant freedom thing going on for a
while now...  yeah, I'd do her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

This "Law" assumes there are two distinct parties with two different
ideologies. There aren't, There are two right wing (traditionalist for a
start) factions of a one party (American exceptionalist ideology) state.

Besides:
231,556,622 eligible voters

46.9% didn't vote
25.6% voted Clinton
25.5% voted Trump

Nobody is president.

Simple, elegant. A workaround for "Duverger's Law" whoeverthefuck
Duverger is/was.

Rr


On 11/09/2016 01:01 PM, jim bell wrote:
>
>
> 
> *From:* Shawn K. Quinn 
> 2. As a result of #1, a vote for any candidate who finishes below second
> place is effectively the same as voting for the eventual winner. Put
> another way, it robs the second place candidate of the votes needed to
> win.
>
> This is called "Duverger's Law".  See:
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
> "In political science
> , *Duverger's
> law* holds that plurality-rule
>  elections
> (such as /first past the post
> /) structured
> within single-member districts
>  tend to favor
> a two-party system
>  and that "the double
> ballot majority system
> and proportional
> representation
>  tend to
> favor multipartism."^[1]
>  ^[2]
>   The
> discovery of this tendency is attributed to Maurice Duverger
> , a French sociologist
>  who observed the effect
> and recorded it in several papers published in the 1950s and 1960s. In
> the course of further research, other political scientists
>  began calling the
> effect a "law " or principle.
> Duverger's law suggests a nexus or synthesis between a party system
>  and an electoral system:
> a proportional representation
>  (PR)
> system creates the electoral conditions necessary to foster party
> development while a plurality system marginalizes many smaller
> political parties, resulting in what is known as a two-party system.
> While a principle of political science, in practice most countries
> with plurality voting have more than two parties. While the United
> States is very much a two-party system, the United Kingdom, Canada and
> India have consistently had multiparty parliaments.^[3]
>  ^[4]
>   Eric
> Dickson and Ken Scheve argue that there is a counter force to
> Duverger's Law, that on the national level a plurality system
> encourages two parties, but in the individual constituencies
> supermajorities will lead to the vote fracturing.^[5]
> 
>
> "So... in Texas, Trump won. That means voting for Gary Johnson was the
> same as voting for Trump. Voting for Jill Stein was the same as voting
> for Trump. Voting for Evan McMullin was the same as voting for Trump.
> If everyone in Texas who had voted just for Gary Johnson had voted for
> Hillary instead, we'd be having an entirely different discussion because
> Trump would not have won."
>
> This development is, in general, very good for Libertarians such as
> myself.  It means that we are going to be consistently influencing
> elections, probably from here on in.  And that means that the two
> major candidates will have to start listening to libertarians.
>
> >I will say this: at least Jill Stein or Evan McMullin couldn't have been
> >any worse than Trump. But the system as it stands now doesn't even give
> >them, or others who run outside of the two major parties, a realistic
> >chance to win the presidency. This sucks, but it is what it is.
>
> My proposed solution is to give each candidate for a Congressional
> office influence in voting, proportionate to the vote totals in the
> election.  If there are three candidates, A, B, and C, with 50%, 45%,
> and 5% of the vote, the minority candidate gets an office elsewhere,
> and can neutralize part of the vote of the majority-vote candidate, if
> he wishes.
> If the majority-vote candidate is voting on something that is
> uncontroversial, agreed with by the minority-vote candidates, his vote
> will get an influence of 100%.  If the minority candidates choose the
> opposite position, the net result will be 50-45-5=0:  There will be no
> net 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

On 11/09/2016 12:42 PM, grarpamp wrote:
> County level maps always very interesting... democrats
> really only exist in big cities, and a few regional areas
> respondant to dems social causes such as black south.
> Massive 20-60% percent differences, flipping right at city limits.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president


So the final numbers for  Election Day are:

231,556,622 eligible voters

46.9% didn't vote
25.6% voted Clinton
25.5% voted Trump

NOBODY got the most votes!

Rr

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cecilia Tanaka]

It will be very interesting!  ;)

http://www.businessinsider.com/shervin-pishevar-wants-california-to-become-own-nation-if-trump-wins-2016-11?op=1

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/shervin-pishevar-wants-to-help-california-secede-from-the-us.html

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[jim bell]

  From: Shawn K. Quinn 
2. As a result of #1, a vote for any candidate who finishes below second
place is effectively the same as voting for the eventual winner. Put
another way, it robs the second place candidate of the votes needed to
win.
This is called "Duverger's Law".  See:  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law"In political science, Duverger's 
law holds that plurality-rule elections (such as first past the post) 
structured within single-member districts tend to favor a two-party system and 
that "the double ballot majority systemand proportional representation tend to 
favor multipartism."[1][2] The discovery of this tendency is attributed to 
Maurice Duverger, a French sociologist who observed the effect and recorded it 
in several papers published in the 1950s and 1960s. In the course of further 
research, other political scientists began calling the effect a "law" or 
principle.Duverger's law suggests a nexus or synthesis between a party system 
and an electoral system: a proportional representation (PR) system creates the 
electoral conditions necessary to foster party development while a plurality 
system marginalizes many smaller political parties, resulting in what is known 
as a two-party system.While a principle of political science, in practice most 
countries with plurality voting have more than two parties. While the United 
States is very much a two-party system, the United Kingdom, Canada and India 
have consistently had multiparty parliaments.[3][4] Eric Dickson and Ken Scheve 
argue that there is a counter force to Duverger's Law, that on the national 
level a plurality system encourages two parties, but in the individual 
constituencies supermajorities will lead to the vote fracturing.[5]
"So... in Texas, Trump won. That means voting for Gary Johnson was the
same as voting for Trump. Voting for Jill Stein was the same as voting
for Trump. Voting for Evan McMullin was the same as voting for Trump.
If everyone in Texas who had voted just for Gary Johnson had voted for
Hillary instead, we'd be having an entirely different discussion because
Trump would not have won."
This development is, in general, very good for Libertarians such as myself.  It 
means that we are going to be consistently influencing elections, probably from 
here on in.  And that means that the two major candidates will have to start 
listening to libertarians.

>I will say this: at least Jill Stein or Evan McMullin couldn't have been
>any worse than Trump. But the system as it stands now doesn't even give
>them, or others who run outside of the two major parties, a realistic
>chance to win the presidency. This sucks, but it is what it is.
My proposed solution is to give each candidate for a Congressional office 
influence in voting, proportionate to the vote totals in the election.  If 
there are three candidates, A, B, and C, with 50%, 45%, and 5% of the vote, the 
minority candidate gets an office elsewhere, and can neutralize part of the 
vote of the majority-vote candidate, if he wishes.If the majority-vote 
candidate is voting on something that is uncontroversial, agreed with by the 
minority-vote candidates, his vote will get an influence of 100%.  If the 
minority candidates choose the opposite position, the net result will be 
50-45-5=0:  There will be no net vote from that state.

                     Jim Bell


   

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cecilia Tanaka]

Well, you are not my favorite person in the whole world, but let people
think you acted like a jerk would be pretty unfair, not correct at all.
Nobody deserves being considered bad when is not guilty.

Nah, "garbage fire" is too much.  Just usual garbage and, after some time,
garbage can be used as fertilizer and become useful again.  It's my hope.
:)

Take care, Boyce.

-  c.
On Nov 9, 2016 5:25 PM, "Griffin Boyce"  wrote:

> Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the heads up, but I don't really care.
> Cypherpunks has been a garbage fire for years and won't change any time
> soon.
>
> -G
>
>
> Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
> >Sorry, Boyce, but probably there are people on CP list who do _not_
> >know
> >you and your writting patterns.  My intention was just avoiding
> >misunderstandings.
> >
> >-  c.
> >On Nov 9, 2016 5:18 PM, "Griffin Boyce"  wrote:
> >
> >> If someone's stupid enough to believe I'd post that, then that's
> >their
> >> problem, not mine.
> >>
> >> -Griffin
> >>
> >> Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
> >> >Boyce,
> >> >
> >> >I know you don't like me, but someone is using your name, pretending
> >to
> >> >be
> >> >you on CypherPunks list.
> >> >
> >> >Sorry for being late, but this message was tagged as spam and just
> >read
> >> >it
> >> >now.
> >> >
> >> >Take care.
> >> >
> >> >-  c.
> >> >On Nov 9, 2016 2:32 PM, "Griffin Boyce" 
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> > Shawn K. Quinn:
> >> >> > above the law
> >> >>
> >> >> They all above the law, you cuck.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Inciting riots
> >> >>
> >> >> Reddit.
> >> >>
> >> >> > I didn't really want to vote for Hillary, but it was the best
> >> >choice
> >> >>
> >> >> Why be such intellectual coward?  You could've writtens in anybody
> >> >you
> >> >> wanted.
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't come crying to here with your lies, you dishonest piece of
> >> >shit.
> >> >>
> >> >> > turning Texas blue,
> >> >>
> >> >> Bangin' Crip, seems.
> >> >>
> >> >> > we
> >> >>
> >> >> I think you mean 'xe'.
> >> >>
> >> >> > "Grab 'Em By The Pussy"
> >> >>
> >> >> You must no be rich or famous.
> >> >>
> >> >> > What other conclusion were we supposed to draw?
> >> >>
> >> >> If you are in Texas, draw Muhammad.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> @abditum
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ~Griffin
> >>
>
>
>
> ~Griffin
>

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

County level maps always very interesting... democrats
really only exist in big cities, and a few regional areas
respondant to dems social causes such as black south.
Massive 20-60% percent differences, flipping right at city limits.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cecilia Tanaka]

Sorry, Boyce, but probably there are people on CP list who do _not_ know
you and your writting patterns.  My intention was just avoiding
misunderstandings.

-  c.
On Nov 9, 2016 5:18 PM, "Griffin Boyce"  wrote:

> If someone's stupid enough to believe I'd post that, then that's their
> problem, not mine.
>
> -Griffin
>
> Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
> >Boyce,
> >
> >I know you don't like me, but someone is using your name, pretending to
> >be
> >you on CypherPunks list.
> >
> >Sorry for being late, but this message was tagged as spam and just read
> >it
> >now.
> >
> >Take care.
> >
> >-  c.
> >On Nov 9, 2016 2:32 PM, "Griffin Boyce" 
> >wrote:
> >
> >> > Shawn K. Quinn:
> >> > above the law
> >>
> >> They all above the law, you cuck.
> >>
> >> > Inciting riots
> >>
> >> Reddit.
> >>
> >> > I didn't really want to vote for Hillary, but it was the best
> >choice
> >>
> >> Why be such intellectual coward?  You could've writtens in anybody
> >you
> >> wanted.
> >>
> >> Don't come crying to here with your lies, you dishonest piece of
> >shit.
> >>
> >> > turning Texas blue,
> >>
> >> Bangin' Crip, seems.
> >>
> >> > we
> >>
> >> I think you mean 'xe'.
> >>
> >> > "Grab 'Em By The Pussy"
> >>
> >> You must no be rich or famous.
> >>
> >> > What other conclusion were we supposed to draw?
> >>
> >> If you are in Texas, draw Muhammad.
> >>
> >> --
> >> @abditum
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> ~Griffin
>

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 17:32 +, Griffin Boyce wrote:
> Why be such intellectual coward?  You could've writtens in anybody you
> wanted.

Let me explain to you how presidential voting works (in every state but
Maine and Nebraska, anyway):

1. The candidate with the most votes takes all the electoral votes in
that state.

2. As a result of #1, a vote for any candidate who finishes below second
place is effectively the same as voting for the eventual winner. Put
another way, it robs the second place candidate of the votes needed to
win.

So... in Texas, Trump won. That means voting for Gary Johnson was the
same as voting for Trump. Voting for Jill Stein was the same as voting
for Trump. Voting for Evan McMullin was the same as voting for Trump.

If everyone in Texas who had voted just for Gary Johnson had voted for
Hillary instead, we'd be having an entirely different discussion because
Trump would not have won.

I will say this: at least Jill Stein or Evan McMullin couldn't have been
any worse than Trump. But the system as it stands now doesn't even give
them, or others who run outside of the two major parties, a realistic
chance to win the presidency. This sucks, but it is what it is.

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn 

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[grarpamp]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:28 AM, jim bell  wrote:
> most of the news media were pushing on the scales for Hillary.

They still are. And generally trying to steer shit with their
sideways questions and comments. But hey, it's a free press,
always happens. At least people can more or less be their own
press with youtube, uploading tv clips and commentary.

Now if only youtbe were decentralized...

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cecilia Tanaka]

Boyce,

I know you don't like me, but someone is using your name, pretending to be
you on CypherPunks list.

Sorry for being late, but this message was tagged as spam and just read it
now.

Take care.

-  c.
On Nov 9, 2016 2:32 PM, "Griffin Boyce"  wrote:

> > Shawn K. Quinn:
> > above the law
>
> They all above the law, you cuck.
>
> > Inciting riots
>
> Reddit.
>
> > I didn't really want to vote for Hillary, but it was the best choice
>
> Why be such intellectual coward?  You could've writtens in anybody you
> wanted.
>
> Don't come crying to here with your lies, you dishonest piece of shit.
>
> > turning Texas blue,
>
> Bangin' Crip, seems.
>
> > we
>
> I think you mean 'xe'.
>
> > "Grab 'Em By The Pussy"
>
> You must no be rich or famous.
>
> > What other conclusion were we supposed to draw?
>
> If you are in Texas, draw Muhammad.
>
> --
> @abditum
>
>

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cecilia Tanaka]

Do you want to know why I think North American activists and hackers will
probably have serious problems?  :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-vows-to-strengthen-cybersecurity-capabilities

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/cyber-security

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/27/the-answer-that-best-exemplifies-how-badly-donald-trump-was-out-of-his-depth-in-the-debate

http://boingboing.net/2016/11/09/a-madman-has-been-given-the-ke.html

Trump will probably use "cyber spying" and "ISIS" as excuses to violate
civil rights, in special privacy, and it will be very sad.  :(

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[jim bell]

 From: Razer <ray...@riseup.net>

 Subject: Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!
   
 
  
 On 11/09/2016 11:13 AM, jim bell wrote:
  
  >"Chaos" is not identical to "change".  Nevertheless, "Chaos" is a state in 
which there is very low resistance to change.   >                   Jim Bell 
   
 
>I disagree. The tendency of people confronted with Chaos is to embrace what 
>they knew did work and attempt to restore it... traditionalism... ie. >One of 
>the features of Fascism. No change if it went in that direction.
If that's the case, then that ISN'T "chaos", at least not yet.             Jim 
Bell

 
 
 
  
From: Razer <ray...@riseup.net>
 +10
 
 Addenda: Americans are confused. They mistake chaos for change.
 
 On 11/09/2016 09:28 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
 

 
 On 11/09/2016 02:58 AM, jim bell wrote:
 > What a relief!!! Thank heavens for leaks!!!
 
 Meh.  I prefer Trump by a /small/ margin; better chaos and gridlock in
 DC than a massive, well coordinated murder machine IMO.  I'm
 sentimental:  I hate to see millions of people slaughtered so a
 handful of billionaires can keep growing their wealth & power right up
 to the collapse of our present civilization.  In the case of Trump vs.
 Clinton, better to roll the dice than accept a status quo that assures
 the highest obtainable body count.
 
 But I don't see a Yuge victory for the humans here, only a new set of
 problems that /may/ be more tractable than those presented by Clinton.
 
 I was rather shocked by the election results, because I have kept an
 eye on developments in election rigging over the years.  Given the
 aggregate power of entrenched interests sponsoring Clinton and the
 scale of the cash flows that Trump's election have placed in jeopardy,
 I did not expect a Trump win to be permitted.  Maybe someday we will
 find out what happened behind the scenes - and whether the FBI
 director's strange behavior had anything to do with it.
 
 Before election day chop wood, carry water, smash the State.
 After election day chop wood, carry water, smash the State.
 
 :o)
 
 
 
 

 
  
 
 

   

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[jim bell]

"Chaos" is not identical to "change".  Nevertheless, "Chaos" is a state in 
which there is very low resistance to change.            Jim Bell

  From: Razer 
 +10
 
 Addenda: Americans are confused. They mistake chaos for change.
 
 On 11/09/2016 09:28 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
 

 
 On 11/09/2016 02:58 AM, jim bell wrote:
 > What a relief!!! Thank heavens for leaks!!!
 
 Meh.  I prefer Trump by a /small/ margin; better chaos and gridlock in
 DC than a massive, well coordinated murder machine IMO.  I'm
 sentimental:  I hate to see millions of people slaughtered so a
 handful of billionaires can keep growing their wealth & power right up
 to the collapse of our present civilization.  In the case of Trump vs.
 Clinton, better to roll the dice than accept a status quo that assures
 the highest obtainable body count.
 
 But I don't see a Yuge victory for the humans here, only a new set of
 problems that /may/ be more tractable than those presented by Clinton.
 
 I was rather shocked by the election results, because I have kept an
 eye on developments in election rigging over the years.  Given the
 aggregate power of entrenched interests sponsoring Clinton and the
 scale of the cash flows that Trump's election have placed in jeopardy,
 I did not expect a Trump win to be permitted.  Maybe someday we will
 find out what happened behind the scenes - and whether the FBI
 director's strange behavior had anything to do with it.
 
 Before election day chop wood, carry water, smash the State.
 After election day chop wood, carry water, smash the State.
 
 :o)
 
 
 
 
 

   

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

+10

Addenda: Americans are confused. They mistake chaos for change.

On 11/09/2016 09:28 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:
>
>
> On 11/09/2016 02:58 AM, jim bell wrote:
> > What a relief!!! Thank heavens for leaks!!!
>
> Meh.  I prefer Trump by a /small/ margin; better chaos and gridlock in
> DC than a massive, well coordinated murder machine IMO.  I'm
> sentimental:  I hate to see millions of people slaughtered so a
> handful of billionaires can keep growing their wealth & power right up
> to the collapse of our present civilization.  In the case of Trump vs.
> Clinton, better to roll the dice than accept a status quo that assures
> the highest obtainable body count.
>
> But I don't see a Yuge victory for the humans here, only a new set of
> problems that /may/ be more tractable than those presented by Clinton.
>
> I was rather shocked by the election results, because I have kept an
> eye on developments in election rigging over the years.  Given the
> aggregate power of entrenched interests sponsoring Clinton and the
> scale of the cash flows that Trump's election have placed in jeopardy,
> I did not expect a Trump win to be permitted.  Maybe someday we will
> find out what happened behind the scenes - and whether the FBI
> director's strange behavior had anything to do with it.
>
> Before election day chop wood, carry water, smash the State.
> After election day chop wood, carry water, smash the State.
>
> :o)
>
>

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[juan]

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 12:30:16 +
Cannon  wrote:


> 
> The problem with globalism is that such a goal generally leads to
> centralization of power with trans-national government structure.


But that's a completely false choice. Both trans-national
fascism and national fascism have to go. 

All your fucking nation states and their borders have to be
erased and the 'leaders', including trumpo, beaten to death. 


ps: looks like trumpo was the worst option after all, that's why he got
elected.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Steve Kinney]

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On 11/09/2016 02:58 AM, jim bell wrote:
> What a relief!!! Thank heavens for leaks!!!

Meh.  I prefer Trump by a /small/ margin; better chaos and gridlock in
DC than a massive, well coordinated murder machine IMO.  I'm
sentimental:  I hate to see millions of people slaughtered so a
handful of billionaires can keep growing their wealth & power right up
to the collapse of our present civilization.  In the case of Trump vs.
Clinton, better to roll the dice than accept a status quo that assures
the highest obtainable body count.

But I don't see a Yuge victory for the humans here, only a new set of
problems that /may/ be more tractable than those presented by Clinton.

I was rather shocked by the election results, because I have kept an
eye on developments in election rigging over the years.  Given the
aggregate power of entrenched interests sponsoring Clinton and the
scale of the cash flows that Trump's election have placed in jeopardy,
I did not expect a Trump win to be permitted.  Maybe someday we will
find out what happened behind the scenes - and whether the FBI
director's strange behavior had anything to do with it.

Before election day chop wood, carry water, smash the State.
After election day chop wood, carry water, smash the State.

:o)


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Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[jim bell]

 From: Georgi Guninski On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 
07:58:01AM +, jim bell wrote:>> What a relief!!!Thank heavens for leaks!!!
>>         Jim Bell
>I am not feeling for the bitch at all. But votes based on hatred (i.e.
>choose the more delicious shit) are just social engineering trick, from
>which the organizers profit.
>IMHO the sheeple who voted for either shit are quite guilty for the
>current situation too.
Well, I've been a libertarian all my life, and have known that since 1975.  
I've voted Libertarian for president in every election I could have since 1976. 
 So, this year I voted for Gary Johnson, Libertarian candidate.  And if that 
reason didn't exist, yet another reason was that the state in which I live, 
Washington, ended up voting for Hillary Clinton 56% versus 38% Trump:  Nobody 
here could have realistically believed that their vote, one way or another, 
would have changed things.  This would have been an excellent reason for 
libertarian-leaning voters, BOTH R and D, to have voted for Johnson this year.  
Very few people, including most Republicans, probably believe that Trump won 
because of some inherent desireability as a candidate.  Trump won because he 
went up against a very corrupt candidate, albeit one where the thumbs of most 
of the news media were pushing on the scales for Hillary.  
I would have preferred to see Ted Cruz as the Republican nominee, although I 
would still have voted for Gary Johnson.  (of course).  Blame for the fact that 
Cruz wasn't chosen should go to certain types of Republicans, let's call them 
"RINOs", among whom I classify John Boehner and Mitch McConnell, the  two of 
which were so ineffective at parrying their Democrat counterparts that they 
angered their Republican base tremendously.  Cruz, too, would have been trashed 
by the biased media, but they would have found much less to capitalize on:  
Trump is inherently outspoken, while Cruz is a politician, who is used to 
guarding his words.  
I feel that certainly in hindsight, and to a great extent in foresight as well, 
the election was tipped finally because of the revelations of corruption and 
misconduct revealed by the leaks and disclosures of the DNC emails, as well as 
those by Hillary's staff including John Podesta.  Such a cesspool of cynical, 
evil behavior.   I think that Hillary's own emails will eventually be revealed 
to the public; too bad that hasn't happened so far.  If these leaks hadn't 
occurred she would almost certainly have won the election.
NOW would be an excellent time for the Republican party to adopt libertarian 
principles and positions.  That too would apply even more correctly to the 
Democrats, but the latter are still too busy sucking up to what they currently 
see as their natural constitutencies.           Jim Bell


   

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Razer]

I look at the bright side:

Under that criminal scumbucket Nixon we ended up with: Clean Air/Clean
Water Act, Women's "Right to choose", The US got OUT of Vietnam, the EPA.

Know why?

Because it PUT PEOPLE IN THE STREET IN A MURDEROUS RAGE INSTEAD OF BACK
TO SLEEP LIKE ELECTING a Teflon Warmonger OREO DID. The REAL FIGHT is
going to be IN THE STREET to maintain what laughably few rights we
really have. Or have ever had.

Gil Scott-Heron was right. It's a B-Movie with the good ol days and the
good ol boys. That's what 'Merica wants! They're really looking for John
Wayne, but he was no longer available so they settled for ... The
closest thing they could get to John Wayne. #DonaldTrump

And he doesn't wear a pantsuit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78tTKTkz778=youtu.be=3869

Rr

Ps. Any of you who think there's a speck of a difference between the
CRIMINALS the elite's pwned media offered up as a choice, or their
actualizable policies within the US political system or it's society are
... literally ... ignorant. Nothing more than cheerleaders for the
colors red or blue.

"We find two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take
possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt ends --
the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians
who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate and plunder
it." -Friedrich Engels

[Image]
"We find two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take
possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt ends --
the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians
who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate and plunder
it." - Engels


On 11/09/2016 03:59 AM, Cannon wrote:
> On 11/09/2016 09:27 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> > (All politicians are monsters, with different degrees of internal and
> > external corruption, not only her and him, not only in USA.)
>
> While yes true that most politicians suck. Why all the hate for Trump?
> He is pro American, pro constitution, pro 2nd amendment, pro border
> security. Will protect the USA from the invasion Europe is facing, we
> Americans dont want to go the route of Europe such as France and
> germany where their society is infected with jihadists that are
> attacking people, raping women, trashing the cities, defacating in the
> streets and shooting/blowing people up. France and Germany is a hell
> hole with defenseless population.
>
> All complaints I have seen people say about Trump are that he is
> racists or against gays. Such claims are utter lies.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cecilia Tanaka]

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/flashback-watch-the-simpsons-predict-president-trump-in-2000-20160317

Trump will break your country.  Hope Lisa Simpson can save it in an
alternative reality, in a paralel world.  :P

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Georgi Guninski]

On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 07:58:01AM +, jim bell wrote:
> What a relief!!!Thank heavens for leaks!!!
>         Jim Bell

I am not feeling for the bitch at all. But votes based on hatred (i.e.
choose the more delicious shit) are just social engineering trick, from
which the organizers profit.

IMHO the sheeple who voted for either shit are quite guilty for the
current situation too.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Nov 9, 2016 8:59 AM, "Cannon"  wrote:
>
> On 11/09/2016 09:27 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> > (All politicians are monsters, with different degrees of internal and
external corruption, not only her and him, not only in USA.)
>
> While yes true that most politicians suck. Why all the hate for Trump? He
is pro American, pro constitution, pro 2nd amendment, pro border security.
Will protect the USA from the invasion Europe is facing, we Americans dont
want to go the route of Europe such as France and germany where their
society is infected with jihadists that are attacking people, raping women,
trashing the cities, defacating in the streets and shooting/blowing people
up. France and Germany is a hell hole with defenseless population.
>
> All complaints I have seen people say about Trump are that he is racists
or against gays. Such claims are utter lies.

Lies?  Please, it'll be better to watch his discourses again, boy.  ;)

Ah, read my message AGAIN too, please.  "All the hate for Trump" _AND ALL
THE OTHERS_ has good reasons.  And it's much more 'repulse' than 'hate',
for being sincere.

You're pretty fair, baby.  Jihadists cannot do these bad things, but Trump
can because he's a proud North American citizen.  So, your President can
attack women and being intolerant with all the people.  OK, it is not much
intelligent or smart, it's terribly evil, but it's your sincere opinion.
You aren't hypocrite, at least.

Good luck is what I wish for you, your country and the rest of the world.
Take care.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cannon]

> | The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are
> | beginning to fail. 

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The problem with globalism is that such a goal generally leads to 
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centralization and consolidation of power.
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[Mirimir]

On 11/09/2016 05:11 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Nov 9, 2016 8:29 AM, "John Newman"  wrote:
>>
>> Fuck the USA =)
> 
> John, please, more compassion.  "Fu¢k the USA" is too much, dear.  :(
> 
> Unhappily, they are already fu¢ked.  The rest of the world too.  It's the
> end of the globalization era and the world will change a lot.  Not for a
> better stage, probably.  :(
> 
> This corrupt guy really will create new jobs.  He wants workers building
> "The Great Wall of USA", more cops, more army, uff...  Good luck, USA!  :(

Current top comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12907201 is
insightful, I think. Albeit defensive ;) Trump is basically an
isolationist, I think.

| It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend.
| Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend.
|
| The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are
| beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own
| trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all
| criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has
| been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is for
| economic reasons or just plain bigotry is something for the
| sociologists to study and not something I can pontificate on.
|
| Also people seem to care a LOT about immigration and preserving
| their culture. Instead of patronising these people it's time we
| tried to understand their concerns and try to assuage them.
|
| There is no genuine leftist alternative. It's a choice between
| center-right "left" that's sold out to the establishment and the
| far right. Economists need to stop acting like priests in the
| medieval ages who justified the existing order . The rural voter
| who lost his job doesn't care about the theory of comparitive
| advantage.
|
| If this trend holds this will soon take hold in France and other
| European nations. This is a return to the world of the 1920s. Not
| gloom and doom but a much more unstable global order with every
| country for itself. Not what we need when we face planet scale
| threats like global warming. Get out of your bubble.

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Nov 9, 2016 8:29 AM, "John Newman"  wrote:
>
> Fuck the USA =)

John, please, more compassion.  "Fu¢k the USA" is too much, dear.  :(

Unhappily, they are already fu¢ked.  The rest of the world too.  It's the
end of the globalization era and the world will change a lot.  Not for a
better stage, probably.  :(

This corrupt guy really will create new jobs.  He wants workers building
"The Great Wall of USA", more cops, more army, uff...  Good luck, USA!  :(

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cannon]

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On 11/09/2016 09:27 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: 
> (All politicians are monsters, with different degrees of internal and
> external corruption, not only her and him, not only in USA.)

While yes true that most politicians suck. Why all the hate for Trump? He is 
pro American, pro constitution, pro 2nd amendment, pro border security. Will 
protect the USA from the invasion Europe is facing, we Americans dont want to 
go the route of Europe such as France and germany where their society is 
infected with jihadists that are attacking people, raping women, trashing the 
cities, defacating in the streets and shooting/blowing people up. France and 
Germany is a hell hole with defenseless population.

All complaints I have seen people say about Trump are that he is racists or 
against gays. Such claims are utter lies.
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[Cannon]

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On 11/09/2016 09:27 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: 
> (All politicians are monsters, with different degrees of internal and
> external corruption, not only her and him, not only in USA.)

While yes true that most politicians suck. Why all the hate for Trump? He is 
pro American, pro constitution, pro 2nd amendment, pro border security. Will 
protect the USA from the invasion Europe is facing, we Americans dont want to 
go the route of Europe such as France and germany where their society is 
infected with jihadists that are attacking people, raping women, trashing the 
cities, defacating in the streets and shooting/blowing people up. France and 
Germany is a hell hole with defenseless population.

All complaints I have seen people say about Trump are that he is racists or 
against gays. Such claims are utter lies.
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Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[John Newman]

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 3:19 AM, Cannon  wrote:
> 
>> On 11/09/2016 07:58 AM, jim bell wrote:
>> What a relief!!!Thank heavens for leaks!!!
>>Jim Bell
> 
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> Yay! The anti-freedom, anti-constitution, anti 2nd amendment, corrupt, 
> elitist Clinton has been defeated.
> Wikileaks and hackers seeking truth played a good part in revealling intel on 
> some of her corruption.
> Thank you whistleblowers for releasing intel. Thank you wikileaks for giving 
> truth a voice.
> God bless the USA!

Fuck the USA =)

John

Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!

[Cannon]

On 11/09/2016 07:58 AM, jim bell wrote:
> What a relief!!!Thank heavens for leaks!!!
> Jim Bell
> 

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Hash: SHA512

Yay! The anti-freedom, anti-constitution, anti 2nd amendment, corrupt, elitist 
Clinton has been defeated.
Wikileaks and hackers seeking truth played a good part in revealling intel on 
some of her corruption.
Thank you whistleblowers for releasing intel. Thank you wikileaks for giving 
truth a voice.
God bless the USA!

On 11/09/2016 07:58 AM, jim bell wrote:
> What a relief!!!Thank heavens for leaks!!!
> Jim Bell
> 


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