Re: UN invitation for Cypherpunks
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 07:27:19PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:20:34 -0500 > Karl wrote: > > > I typed some but lost my email. Punk, you might have to take it a > > little slower, for me. > > Funny. Yesterday when I was writing my previous reply there was a power > glitch and I lost it. So I had to re-write it today. > > Anyway, you can read my previous message as many times as you want. > Read it slowly, and see what kind of rational comments you can make...if any. Funny that. 2 days ago we had a many-suburbs power glitch, rural and suburban, lasted may be 15 or 20 seconds. The power of the system having glitches. Glitches in the matrix.
the words we use -- Re: UN invitation for Cypherpunks
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 04:20:34PM -0500, Karl wrote: > I typed some but lost my email. Punk, you might have to take it a > little slower, for me. Karl, Punk only responded to things you said. If you want slower, it is up to you to type/say less things, less concepts, in your own emails. Frankly, Punk in this thread has spoken clearly, and plainly. Another trick for "slower" is to be quick to agree with things you do actually agree with (so far, you seem to treat conversations more like a game, where you appear more interested in winning points than in finding/acknowledging actual agreement - some people get tired of those games). Also it appears you use certain foundation words from our language (such as "evil"), in ways different to how the majority of people use those words, at least generally/ colloquially/ normally. It does not surprise me that you lose track, or get overwhelmed (wanting slower). To the extent you use different definitions to most people for common words, you appear to be crazy, or at least "playing crazy", or manipulative, or possibly you are attempting to cope with your own "problems" (whatever you think they are). As said, this game you play might be to you, for you, a useful coping (or survival) tool, but it seems clear that doing that does lead to communication problems, mainly for you (and by your own hand - i.e., you are the one confusing yourself, and losing track). If at some point you wish to reduce your tendency to "lose track" in your conversations, an easy suggestion is as follows: 1) Go back to using the common/normal definitions of words that other people use. 2) Find new/ different/ more accurate words, for the concepts you wish to communicate about, rather than co-opting the normal words that other people use. Doing those two things requires a little trust in others, since you might feel a little less in control since you are injecting less chaos into your conversations (with temporarily secret definitions of normal words that only you know about until you let others know the truth about the words you are using). But trust is necessary if you seek more meaningful relationships and more productive/useful conversations. (If you have difficulty finding a word that properly describes something you wish to communicate, such as your own definition of evil, consider using a combination phrase of 2 or more words.) Good luck,
Re: UN invitation for Cypherpunks
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 08:20:46PM -0300, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > So again, the power of govcorp is maintened by real crimes on a > planetary scale, not by pointing at the division between good and evil in a > mailing list. Another truth bomb for the record. You're on a roll, Punk :) > The only US influence I acknowledge is Spooner. And only to the degree > that 'he agrees with me'. https://www.lysanderspooner.org/works
Re: UN invitation for Cypherpunks
On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 9:37 PM Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 15:06:37 -0500 > Karl wrote: > > > > > > > So quote me saying anything that defends the western > political-economic powers in any shape or form. > > > > here: > > > > > yes and the answer is : I'm not spewing any nazi-jew nonsense. > Or > > > you're spewing conflict, > > Again, provide quotations. > Casting people as evil is an American strategy of ignoring people different from Americans, so you can sell the American way as freedom and luxury without caring whom it hurts. "Nazi", which you just said with accusation, is a common enemy image taught in america. "Jew" is held by a smaller group as an enemy image in america. "Nonsense" is a thought-stopping word used in American media in ways that prevent people from listening to others. These things don't mean you're trying to defend america, of course. They mean you end up doing so. > Whatever conflict there is comes from the fake libertarians/true "Fake" : disregards expressions of others > technocrats/outright agents. I gave pretty "Agents": an enemy image held on this list > concrete examples of the garbage they post, " garbage": an American media term causing people to ignore the expressions of others > you ignored them. > "Ignored" : blaming me, spreads divisiveness > > > > > turning people against each other, which is how my nation keeps the > status quo. > > > So you cannot provide evidence "So, you cannot provide evidence" happens after I quoted you, is an American political strategy of immediately changing the story, relies on the short attention spans of the population to work > showing that I promote evil and now you're Here I see you trying to share honestly with me, but it's kind of over my head because of my short attention span and naive trust =/ I want to connect with you and I don't know how. > just outright lying. The 'conflict' you want to You seem to understand better than me that because behavior is obvious, NOBODY CAN POSSIBLY LIE. > avoid entails calling out the frauds on this list. I guess you want the > frauds to be protected from 'conflict'? > Everybody is doing this. All of us. You need protection the most here, because I tried to pin this murder on you. As to the way your nation keeps the status quo, they do it by > commiting an endless string of all possible crimes from theft to mass > murder to anything inbetween. "Mass murder? You don't murder your family members to make profit! Oh! Well I guess I'll be coming out on top, then." Stop supporting our criminal decadence by helping us compete in our community wargames. And to state the obvious, I'm not doing anything of the sort. Last but not > least, you're comparing me with the US nazi government? What is wrong with > you. > I take such expressions seriously. Gotta get off this list. > > > > > > > > > > FYI, unlike any of the other posters here, I've done my > homework regarding liberal political philosophy and I can defend it. The > other posters however are either outright fascists or fake 'libertarian' > posers. > > > > it's rough to have to say everything backwards. nobody ever understands > you. > > > Hard to know what you mean. The frauds on this list understand me > well. > When I was severely coerced I was forced to speak backwards and didn't understand it. Then I was only able to talk about my torture in the language I was forced to learn, which denied it, and I got no help. I don't understand frauds. What you say doesn't make literal sense to me, but you saying that it is the only way to talk was how my torturers talked. > > > > So hopefully the answer to your question shows how fucked this > list is, and > > > > > further shows that the problem has fuck to do with 'coding'. > > > > > > > > Why are we posting here? You and I are posting here as part of a > > > > brainwashing program, targetting the other hackers. > > > > > > > > > You and I are different persons, and are doing different > things. And you obviously don't know what *I* am doing. > > > > With regard to what I'm a part of with you, I can't know. > > > you meant to type "you can* know"? No. Brainwashing teaches you not to know. Regardless, the claim that 'we' are both part of a 'brainwashing program' > is sheer nonsense. If you want to claim that YOU are You're posting obsessively to a technofascist arpanet list, but I suppose you are more deprogramming us than brainwashing us =) Really it's one of things they do to targeted communities. Expose them to intensely different values while suppressing people that " straddle the lines" value-wise, which disrupts the community handling the budding conflict. part of such a program, feel free, but don't speak for me. > Just speaking for the spirit of America that we forced down your throat. > > > > I'd force myself to forget if I did. > > > > > >
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Hi Zenaan. I'm going to try to summarize the things you say, so I understand them better. Feel free to let me know when or how i am wrong. On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:59 PM Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > > > yes and the answer is : I'm not spewing any nazi-jew nonsense. > Or > > you're spewing conflict, turning people against each other, which is > > how my nation keeps the status quo. > > Karl, this quote you pasted of Punk, is not him "defending the western > political-economic powers". > Are you saying that speaking in ways that divide people resisting them, does not do this? > > FYI, unlike any of the other posters here, I've done my > homework regarding liberal political philosophy and I can defend it. The > other posters however are either outright fascists or fake 'libertarian' > posers. > > Karl, this quote you pasted of Punk, is also not him "defending the > western political-economic powers". Maybe you are clarifying what a quote is, here?Or helping me understand something else? I wasn't trying to make your quoted point with that quote. > it's rough to have to say everything backwards. nobody ever understands > you. > > When for you, reality is so painful that you often prefer and role-play > being "insane", you To clarify, I have severe issues that would classify me as "insane" in my insane culture, because I have been through something unimaginably painful. I understand most others have been through something unimaginably painful, too. also sometimes get caught up in that role play game, and lose track (lose > the connections in the conversation, lose memory af what happened, what was > said, and evidently even lose track of the meaning of something you just > now copy and pasted). > I don't understand. It hurts to read what you say, I imagine spending time talking about whether my issues should be blamed on my coping strategies, which doesn't seem like a good investment of time. It might be more comfortable to you to exist in your "role play illusion", > but conversation with you, from an onlooker, starts to look pointless, and > ultimately a waste of our time. > It sounds like you care about me a lot, and want to be able to effectively act on it? It hurts to read what you say. Punk is a hard core existentialist/ rationalist, fwiw, and so if you are > going to try to challenge him as you just tried (and failed), you need to > be on very solid ground if you wish to "succeed" in your challenge. > I think here you are just trying to give punk some more status compared to me? If your criteria for that "success" is some other axis than "correctness" > and "based in fact", then other folks will struggle to Facts are succinct and are open to other facts standing alongside them. understand you, and at some point may well give up attempting to (or > bothering to) communicate with you at all... which of You talk with too much obscure conflict for me to reply to what you mean, Zenaan. I'm not usually even active on this list. course is another criteria of "success"... > > > > > > > So hopefully the answer to your question shows how fucked this > list is, and > > > > > further shows that the problem has fuck to do with 'coding'. > > > > > > > > Why are we posting here? You and I are posting here as part of a > > > > brainwashing program, targetting the other hackers. > > > > > > > > > You and I are different persons, and are doing different > things. And you obviously don't know what *I* am doing. > > > > With regard to what I'm a part of with you, I can't know. I'd force > > myself to forget if I did. > > This position you take (or worse, live) is from the perspective of some > people, a problem leading to (say) my own conclusion that communication > with you may well be useless to any practical ends... > Same to you. But like everyone, my ears forever reopen. They just wait for respectful silence, to do so. How can you have any meaningful relationship with another, if you choose to > forget the facts/reality of your connection with that other person? > It sounds like you are blaming me for my amnesia? You may not want meaningful relationships, that's of course a matter for > you, but succeeding in meaningless relationships is surely a "success" not > worthy of bothering with. > It hurts to read this. So many paragraphs that hurt. NOTHING IS POINTLESS, MOST ESPECIALLY WHAT YOU AND OTHERS SAY. > > > brainwashing program, targetting the other hackers. > > > > > > Maybe you enjoy playing crazy, but you better not confuse your > role playing with reality. > > > > Reality is way worse, and you know it. > > Karl, your words "you know it" are problematic because thay project upon > your Thanks, that was conflict speaking through me. target that they know something, or in this context, agree with you that > "reality is way worse than playing crazy". > Punk talks like he's been shat on by America. Since I'm American, I figured he'd
unpacking the narcissist vs. the patheticist -- UN invitation for Cypherpunks
On a hunch Karl, this might speak to you in some useful way: Dealing with a Narcissist - with JP Sears-ipTlosTt3y8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipTlosTt3y8 ~18mins "How can I deal with a narcissist?"
Re: UN invitation for Cypherpunks
I want to add that I personally strongly respect PR, and recommend that others _not_ strongly respect PR's posts to this list, so that they don't get associated with the word "rat" by the corporate algorithms. I just need to handle my brainwashing better at this time. On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 3:51 PM Karl wrote: > > PR sends a lot of things so I tend to filter them out. Most people > find a way, whether with software or their brain, of reducing their > effort aroundo stuff that is too frequent for them to hold every item > with fair value. > > I'll reply while I read this one. I'm actually trying to do some > blockchain work right now, but I'm reliving a set of traumatic > experiences that make it very hard to do so, too, and here I am here. > > I was replying to \0xD/M, and some of PR's comments are probably about > ours in that thread, but it's hard for me to keep the memories going > (due to changes in the context, kinda), so I'll mostly be replying > anew. > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:41 AM professor rat wrote: > > > > If there was a God called " Truth " it would have to be destroyed. Such is > > the rapid-evolutionary way. Secularism today - secularism tomorrow - > > secularism forever. > > Dang this is from my thread with D/M and it's not on my screen to > remember with. I'm taking a bit of a pause here; since this is a > challenge my experiences might find something else to move me towards. > > "If there was a God called " Truth " it would have to be destroyed. > Such is the rapid-evolutionary way. Secularism today - secularism > tomorrow - secularism forever." > He capitalised God. I mentioned capitalisation in the thread. He put > truth in quotes, which might mean PR is referring to a lie, maybe a > ton of lies. Or it might just be a style thing. > > My experiences are happier now. > > > No Gods - no masters - no bullshit. > > Peace on earth will come soon enough when all crypto-munitions are managed > > by the UN > > ( United Networks ) > > Cryptoanarchism means producer and consumer cooperatives freely federating > > around the world. Religion and the state have been selected for extinction, > > even as best-practice welfare-state measures will survive as UBI from below. > > Power concedes nothing without the demand backed by realistic force. That > > anarchist force is growing as we speak. Let the powers that be hate us so > > long as they fear us. Since they won't listen to reason brute force is > > authorized against every last one of these priests and police. > > Welcome to the globalized Darwinian revolution! > > Long live cryptoanarchy!
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PR sends a lot of things so I tend to filter them out. Most people find a way, whether with software or their brain, of reducing their effort aroundo stuff that is too frequent for them to hold every item with fair value. I'll reply while I read this one. I'm actually trying to do some blockchain work right now, but I'm reliving a set of traumatic experiences that make it very hard to do so, too, and here I am here. I was replying to \0xD/M, and some of PR's comments are probably about ours in that thread, but it's hard for me to keep the memories going (due to changes in the context, kinda), so I'll mostly be replying anew. On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:41 AM professor rat wrote: > > If there was a God called " Truth " it would have to be destroyed. Such is > the rapid-evolutionary way. Secularism today - secularism tomorrow - > secularism forever. Dang this is from my thread with D/M and it's not on my screen to remember with. I'm taking a bit of a pause here; since this is a challenge my experiences might find something else to move me towards. "If there was a God called " Truth " it would have to be destroyed. Such is the rapid-evolutionary way. Secularism today - secularism tomorrow - secularism forever." He capitalised God. I mentioned capitalisation in the thread. He put truth in quotes, which might mean PR is referring to a lie, maybe a ton of lies. Or it might just be a style thing. My experiences are happier now. > No Gods - no masters - no bullshit. > Peace on earth will come soon enough when all crypto-munitions are managed by > the UN > ( United Networks ) > Cryptoanarchism means producer and consumer cooperatives freely federating > around the world. Religion and the state have been selected for extinction, > even as best-practice welfare-state measures will survive as UBI from below. > Power concedes nothing without the demand backed by realistic force. That > anarchist force is growing as we speak. Let the powers that be hate us so > long as they fear us. Since they won't listen to reason brute force is > authorized against every last one of these priests and police. > Welcome to the globalized Darwinian revolution! > Long live cryptoanarchy!
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On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 3:40 PM Karl wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 3:35 PM professor rat wrote: > > > > " Replies "!? > > > > Negro please. > > > > " Replies " implies your dishonest skeevy ramblings are deserving of a > > response! JFC! > > > > Whatever your smoking, Karlsboro. > > I understand this last one. It means you either want me to make your sorry! or it means you want to understand! sorry! basically i made a mental model of human behavior to handle my brainwashing, and it's interacting with other people. it's hard to talk about. > brain feel like mine looks like it feels, or you want me to go away. > > I'm rattin' out govcorp, PR! I figured out how to do it, but you need > to put on a "football" helmet first, or you could die.
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On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 3:35 PM professor rat wrote: > > " Replies "!? > > Negro please. > > " Replies " implies your dishonest skeevy ramblings are deserving of a > response! JFC! > > Whatever your smoking, Karlsboro. I understand this last one. It means you either want me to make your brain feel like mine looks like it feels, or you want me to go away. I'm rattin' out govcorp, PR! I figured out how to do it, but you need to put on a "football" helmet first, or you could die.
UN invitation for Cypherpunks
" Replies "!? Negro please. " Replies " implies your dishonest skeevy ramblings are deserving of a response! JFC! Whatever your smoking, Karlsboro.
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\0xD/M, whom I keep replying to, are you aware of blowback and rebellion? On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 3:24 PM \0xDynamite wrote: > > Here's the thing. Sure, there's a danger in presenting a large Truth, > but so what? It's only a danger to those who hold onto smaller truths > or, nay, opinions and beliefs. How will you gather forces for > revolution around your little truths? truth has an order, unfortunately. you don't teach children how to kill things with a sniper rifle before they know how to talk. i think some people seriously worry about that, for some reason. Usually take observing before understanding, understanding before skill. > Secularism has a place, for sure. Don't get me wrong. I love secular > values, but it must be admitted that secular humanism has been a > abject failure for people like the Native Americans, the poor, people > under psychic attacks that medicine doesn't understand (which include > most cancers) -- they've made problems far worse and as bad as ANY > religion. PROVE ME WRONG. The proof is that your words are too specific for the topic. It's easy to prove everything wrong because everything is true. > Marxos ! > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 2:18 PM \0xDynamite wrote: > > > > Karl wrote: This was written by Professor Rat. My words have been removed. It's true, Professor Rat holds some of my spirit, I suppose; we are both human beings, so they must. > > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:41 AM professor rat > > > wrote: > > > > If there was a God called " Truth " it would have to be destroyed. Such > > > > is the rapid-evolutionary way. Secularism today - secularism tomorrow > > > > - secularism forever. > > > > No Gods - no masters - no bullshit. > > > > Peace on earth will come soon enough when all crypto-munitions are > > > > managed by the UN > > > > ( United Networks ) > > > > Cryptoanarchism means producer and consumer cooperatives freely > > > > federating around the world. Religion and the state have been selected > > > > for extinction, even as best-practice welfare-state measures will > > > > survive as UBI from below. > > > > Power concedes nothing without the demand backed by realistic force. > > > > That anarchist force is growing as we speak. Let the powers that be > > > > hate us so long as they fear us. Since they won't listen to reason > > > > brute force is authorized against every last one of these priests and > > > > police. > > > > Welcome to the globalized Darwinian revolution! > > > > Long live cryptoanarchy! > > > > To the new Truth!! > > > > Ahoy! > > Marxos
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Here's the thing. Sure, there's a danger in presenting a large Truth, but so what? It's only a danger to those who hold onto smaller truths or, nay, opinions and beliefs. How will you gather forces for revolution around your little truths? Secularism has a place, for sure. Don't get me wrong. I love secular values, but it must be admitted that secular humanism has been a abject failure for people like the Native Americans, the poor, people under psychic attacks that medicine doesn't understand (which include most cancers) -- they've made problems far worse and as bad as ANY religion. PROVE ME WRONG. Marxos On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 2:18 PM \0xDynamite wrote: > > Karl wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:41 AM professor rat wrote: > > > If there was a God called " Truth " it would have to be destroyed. Such > > > is the rapid-evolutionary way. Secularism today - secularism tomorrow - > > > secularism forever. > > > No Gods - no masters - no bullshit. > > > Peace on earth will come soon enough when all crypto-munitions are > > > managed by the UN > > > ( United Networks ) > > > Cryptoanarchism means producer and consumer cooperatives freely > > > federating around the world. Religion and the state have been selected > > > for extinction, even as best-practice welfare-state measures will survive > > > as UBI from below. > > > Power concedes nothing without the demand backed by realistic force. That > > > anarchist force is growing as we speak. Let the powers that be hate us so > > > long as they fear us. Since they won't listen to reason brute force is > > > authorized against every last one of these priests and police. > > > Welcome to the globalized Darwinian revolution! > > > Long live cryptoanarchy! > > To the new Truth!! > > Ahoy! > Marxos
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Karl wrote: > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:41 AM professor rat wrote: > > If there was a God called " Truth " it would have to be destroyed. Such is > > the rapid-evolutionary way. Secularism today - secularism tomorrow - > > secularism forever. > > No Gods - no masters - no bullshit. > > Peace on earth will come soon enough when all crypto-munitions are managed > > by the UN > > ( United Networks ) > > Cryptoanarchism means producer and consumer cooperatives freely federating > > around the world. Religion and the state have been selected for extinction, > > even as best-practice welfare-state measures will survive as UBI from below. > > Power concedes nothing without the demand backed by realistic force. That > > anarchist force is growing as we speak. Let the powers that be hate us so > > long as they fear us. Since they won't listen to reason brute force is > > authorized against every last one of these priests and police. > > Welcome to the globalized Darwinian revolution! > > Long live cryptoanarchy! To the new Truth!! Ahoy! Marxos
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Prof. Rat, would you like to build an AI with me while I struggle to contribute to a confusing a blockchain? Here's the plan: We'll market machine learning algorithms to law enforcement, and then call up the police and call peaceful people terrorists. On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 2:08 PM Karl wrote: > > PR, so you know, it's hard for me to find replies when they all start > in a new thread. I have trouble navigating the different screens of > my computer. > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:41 AM professor rat wrote: > > > > If there was a God called " Truth " it would have to be destroyed. Such is > > the rapid-evolutionary way. Secularism today - secularism tomorrow - > > secularism forever. > > No Gods - no masters - no bullshit. > > Peace on earth will come soon enough when all crypto-munitions are managed > > by the UN > > ( United Networks ) > > Cryptoanarchism means producer and consumer cooperatives freely federating > > around the world. Religion and the state have been selected for extinction, > > even as best-practice welfare-state measures will survive as UBI from below. > > Power concedes nothing without the demand backed by realistic force. That > > anarchist force is growing as we speak. Let the powers that be hate us so > > long as they fear us. Since they won't listen to reason brute force is > > authorized against every last one of these priests and police. > > Welcome to the globalized Darwinian revolution! > > Long live cryptoanarchy!
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PR, so you know, it's hard for me to find replies when they all start in a new thread. I have trouble navigating the different screens of my computer. On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:41 AM professor rat wrote: > > If there was a God called " Truth " it would have to be destroyed. Such is > the rapid-evolutionary way. Secularism today - secularism tomorrow - > secularism forever. > No Gods - no masters - no bullshit. > Peace on earth will come soon enough when all crypto-munitions are managed by > the UN > ( United Networks ) > Cryptoanarchism means producer and consumer cooperatives freely federating > around the world. Religion and the state have been selected for extinction, > even as best-practice welfare-state measures will survive as UBI from below. > Power concedes nothing without the demand backed by realistic force. That > anarchist force is growing as we speak. Let the powers that be hate us so > long as they fear us. Since they won't listen to reason brute force is > authorized against every last one of these priests and police. > Welcome to the globalized Darwinian revolution! > Long live cryptoanarchy!
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On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 1:28 PM Karl wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 1:27 PM Karl wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 1:18 PM Karl wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 1:18 PM Karl wrote: >>> I'll reply as I read, Marxos, On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 12:51 PM \0xDynamite wrote: > > > I looked this up and it sounds like an oppressive regime is > synonymous > > > with a government, punk. > > > > To speak plainly, I have experienced forceful mind control near > > difficulties with the united states government, and it's hard for me > > to talk and think about this. > > Karl, it sounds like you might be a "mental body" (what some have > called "bots") in the system. A mental body is a human potential > living inside a giant shibboleth -- a machine made and held by a shard > of GOD. They are made by the beliefs of mankind that there are > actually people running the world. You don't >> You mean I'm a logic zombie. Punk knows about this. Logic zombies have >> souls deep underneath but we try to grow them using our machines instead of >> our hearts. >> >> GOD is not a person? The universe is not a foul? >>> >>> Zenaan, this was an attempt to say "soul". >>> >>> need therapy, you just > have to follow one of the stable Institutions that exist. This > Well, in general we need to preserve deprogramming of victims of severe abuse, when the victims desire this. usually means either the State (the law), the Church (believe in > Jesus), Academia (believe in children > I was given academia when this happened, if it matters. > > or science), or the Corporation > (usually already assigned as an employee). Alternatively, you can > believe in me, "Marcos", who got to the top of But obviously I believe in you way more than I believe in science or children, since we are talking. You also sound like you can learn faster than the other options. I believe in all of these, in different ways each. I've been heavily exposed to dislike of corporations, and I have no money, so Corp would make sense for me, but while I'm a vivisected bot I'm likely to forget my spirit more during it. this world with the > crown of Man/Adam for the predicted planetary shift. Don't look to > Topness, Man. therapists to tell you these things, because most of them don't have > sufficient experience in life to be guiding anyone. > Who does? > Cheers! > =) I said many other things, but really wanted to be coding instead of saying them. I hope you are well. > \0xD, aka Marxos. > K >
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> > I looked this up and it sounds like an oppressive regime is synonymous > > with a government, punk. > > To speak plainly, I have experienced forceful mind control near > difficulties with the united states government, and it's hard for me > to talk and think about this. Karl, it sounds like you might be a "mental body" (what some have called "bots") in the system. A mental body is a human potential living inside a giant shibboleth -- a machine made and held by a shard of GOD. They are made by the beliefs of mankind that there are actually people running the world. You don't need therapy, you just have to follow one of the stable Institutions that exist. This usually means either the State (the law), the Church (believe in Jesus), Academia (believe in children or science), or the Corporation (usually already assigned as an employee). Alternatively, you can believe in me, "Marcos", who got to the top of this world with the crown of Man/Adam for the predicted planetary shift. Don't look to therapists to tell you these things, because most of them don't have sufficient experience in life to be guiding anyone. Cheers! \0xD, aka Marxos.
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> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:25 AM \0xDynamite > wrote: > > Fe occupy. You know what that "visceral feeling" is? That you're > > doing something for this world besides being a dumbass consumer. What > > they got wrong is that the issue of GOD couldn't just be swept under > > the rug. 100% of queer politics was gaytheist, so went compeltely in > > opposition to that other pov, which to millions has more proof than > > monkeys. Unfortunately, that pov also made the powers that hold I think I understand a little better, on rereading. You're saying that occupy didn't address religious power enough? > > things above in the all-seeing-eye, so nothing got accomplished, I still don't understand what you mean here. Maybe it would be more clear to me if I were more familiar with the topic. > > practically. Lesson learned, hopefully: that without Truth, > > everything loses power, to the forces of evolution, you might say. I'm still not sure of your point here. It sounds like you're speaking for both sides together, who both learned. But earlier you spoke divisively about this. > > Marcos > > Your name is Marcos. Mine is Karl. But I'd prefer to be called by > You will too.
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> > is fixed by fixing your voting model (allowing yes and no votes) and The people who live in oppressive regimes also want aid, I believe.
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> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:25 AM \0xDynamite > wrote: > > fix things. For example, gasoline and other natural resources should > > Here you're introducing a personal preference strategy. This reduces > how many people agree with you, because other people may have other > preference strategies. > What seems most relevant to me here is that taxation choices are not > honoring people's needs, and that it is easy to solve the natural > resources problems. > > > be taxed at every level of government so that the value of it goes > > back to the people. There's about $85/gal or more of value > > ($1/octane/gal) in each gallon. Go measure it and compare it to what Rereading, I'm more clearheaded and able to understand what you're saying better. That's a briliiant idea that would help things. The fuel lobbyists would fight it. We should add it to a list of good ideas and ram them all through all at once. It's easy to make new laws if it's valuable to do. > > a healthy, able-bodied person would consider that work to be worth if > > used on something that advanced mankind. A kilowatt-hour is also > > worth about $50/kwh. Since people are presumed to make value out of > > The word "worth" here is supporting the economic system. Something's Oh no, I was trained to argue with people. I am saddened. You can totally talk about worth!
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I'll reply as I read. On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 11:25 AM \0xDynamite wrote: > > > In Occupy we finally collaborated for a few months. We welcomed the > > powerholders to collaborate too, but instead of joining us, they > > seemed to send people to spy on us and use what they learned to > > further harm such efforts. > > The truth is that there's really no boogey-men up there. It's a It's true that nobody is an evil monster. But we have many real human leaders, officers, etc who seemed scared of Occupy instead of welcomed by our willingness to stop any decision if anybody needed it stopped. It's well documented that the camps were infiltrated and harmed. > Wizard of Oz scenario, chaps. Nothing more. It talks big and carries > a big stick though, so you have to watch for that. Talking is a stick, too. [trigger from my brainwashing:] I'll try not to learn that you seem to be helping rebels. Did you see my thread regarding my therapist? I just want to make sure we're connected. > > Nowadays, there are a number of for example economic policies, that > > not only aid these wealthy people in controlling the planet, but also > > trend towards continuing the situation, even if they die, by replacing > > them with other people who emerge with similar values. > > This seems to be a result of apathy amidst the intelligensia. If they Nah, groups study how to keep things this way. The education system guides people towards ignorance of real issues, and groups together and identifies people who aren't. Everyone has a different part. > had more Truth rather than opinions, they'd have plenty of power to capitalizing T here triggers my exposure to brainwashing resistance. it may be a value people gather around, when forced to lie. You can recognise this anywhere, to find other people trying to escape with this value. > fix things. For example, gasoline and other natural resources should Here you're introducing a personal preference strategy. This reduces how many people agree with you, because other people may have other preference strategies. What seems most relevant to me here is that taxation choices are not honoring people's needs, and that it is easy to solve the natural resources problems. > be taxed at every level of government so that the value of it goes > back to the people. There's about $85/gal or more of value > ($1/octane/gal) in each gallon. Go measure it and compare it to what > a healthy, able-bodied person would consider that work to be worth if > used on something that advanced mankind. A kilowatt-hour is also > worth about $50/kwh. Since people are presumed to make value out of The word "worth" here is supporting the economic system. Something's dollar worth is set by the people who plan our economies. They studied how to do this in college, and care a lot about us, but do not know us at all. > the consumption of either, you can halve these figures for retail > price. This one issue alone saves 50% of your problems. Another 40% We need to come to agreement with many people on what issue to resolve. I value this issue more, now that I understand that you are passionate about including it. > is fixed by fixing your voting model (allowing yes and no votes) and In my country we have ranked-choice / condorset / last-runoff voting in 2% of the area now, and some others are moving towards adopting it. Talking productively across boundaries? Relates truth. > having smaller terms for lower-level governments so that the average > person feels empowered to be a leader of their government. See the average person feeling empowered to be a leader sounds sooo wonderful =) i guess smaller terms means that there are more people reaching office, but I think there are more productive ways to produce that empowerment. Did you see my link to spokescouncil? > "fractional voting" on the wiki at hackerspaces.org. You may have to That page shows as deleted to me. It is obvious that the community has been fragmented. > look under "everything" on the search page because queer poliltics has > co-opted the movement for a creative economy through hackerspaces and for Truth over here, in my culture that is a baldfaced lie. over here, queer people tend to support creative, inclusive things like hackerspaces. The hackerspace movement and the LGBTQ movement share many interests. Having community resources helps people who have fewer than others in the conventional systems. > buried it. It sounds like it's helpful for you to describe some living things as totally dead. Sounds like this has been needed for survival. [i do it myself; i believe it even] Maybe the future is happening too soon, to preserve hackerspaces without more relation. What's obvious is that hackerspaces should have been a welcoming, global movement that thrived. Something changed that severely. > > People who used to participate in Occupy have been through a lot in > > the aftermath, and have trouble
UN invitation for Cypherpunks
If there was a God called " Truth " it would have to be destroyed. Such is the rapid-evolutionary way. Secularism today - secularism tomorrow - secularism forever. No Gods - no masters - no bullshit. Peace on earth will come soon enough when all crypto-munitions are managed by the UN ( United Networks ) Cryptoanarchism means producer and consumer cooperatives freely federating around the world. Religion and the state have been selected for extinction, even as best-practice welfare-state measures will survive as UBI from below. Power concedes nothing without the demand backed by realistic force. That anarchist force is growing as we speak. Let the powers that be hate us so long as they fear us. Since they won't listen to reason brute force is authorized against every last one of these priests and police. Welcome to the globalized Darwinian revolution! Long live cryptoanarchy!
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> In Occupy we finally collaborated for a few months. We welcomed the > powerholders to collaborate too, but instead of joining us, they > seemed to send people to spy on us and use what they learned to > further harm such efforts. The truth is that there's really no boogey-men up there. It's a Wizard of Oz scenario, chaps. Nothing more. It talks big and carries a big stick though, so you have to watch for that. > Nowadays, there are a number of for example economic policies, that > not only aid these wealthy people in controlling the planet, but also > trend towards continuing the situation, even if they die, by replacing > them with other people who emerge with similar values. This seems to be a result of apathy amidst the intelligensia. If they had more Truth rather than opinions, they'd have plenty of power to fix things. For example, gasoline and other natural resources should be taxed at every level of government so that the value of it goes back to the people. There's about $85/gal or more of value ($1/octane/gal) in each gallon. Go measure it and compare it to what a healthy, able-bodied person would consider that work to be worth if used on something that advanced mankind. A kilowatt-hour is also worth about $50/kwh. Since people are presumed to make value out of the consumption of either, you can halve these figures for retail price. This one issue alone saves 50% of your problems. Another 40% is fixed by fixing your voting model (allowing yes and no votes) and having smaller terms for lower-level governments so that the average person feels empowered to be a leader of their government. See "fractional voting" on the wiki at hackerspaces.org. You may have to look under "everything" on the search page because queer poliltics has co-opted the movement for a creative economy through hackerspaces and buried it. > People who used to participate in Occupy have been through a lot in > the aftermath, and have trouble reconnecting with their original > effort, and might be scared to do so. But we also hold in our minds > how wonderful it was, and yearn to have these discussions again. > People who identify as activists, especially the jaded ones, have all > experienced these things. There are thousands and thousands of us, > and we all have some different part of the visceral experience of the > global corruption and deafness. I know what you're talking about. I participated in NYC and in Santa Fe occupy. You know what that "visceral feeling" is? That you're doing something for this world besides being a dumbass consumer. What they got wrong is that the issue of GOD couldn't just be swept under the rug. 100% of queer politics was gaytheist, so went compeltely in opposition to that other pov, which to millions has more proof than monkeys. Unfortunately, that pov also made the powers that hold things above in the all-seeing-eye, so nothing got accomplished, practically. Lesson learned, hopefully: that without Truth, everything loses power, to the forces of evolution, you might say. Anyway, still here in the ashes with the Phoenix. Marcos
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[extra][extra] > On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 5:03 AM Karl wrote: > > I liked a decision making way called spokescouncil, which has many > > different variants. Here's a link from google: > > https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/spokescouncil . These approaches > > Reviewing with what I know now, it's pretty obvious the situation > would focus on the spokes and disrupt their communication channels. > You could counter that by providing an avenue for _anybody_ at _any > time_ to veto a past decision. You'd want to provide the avenue at > places likely to be impacted by the decision. A more conventional situation would be to make sure spokes were people who had extensive experience in honestly representing others. This means that when they do so, all the members of theirs groups honestly appreciate the representation. The jaded scared activist community is full of people with such experience. They rough-hewn, knowledgeable, friendly, passionate and often older people who are hard to find. We also train people at this in universities, but I don't know if that training includes handling extreme coercion. > This is in case people weren't included in a forthright manner, which > often happens when group members don't know each other well.
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[extra] On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 5:03 AM Karl wrote: > I liked a decision making way called spokescouncil, which has many > different variants. Here's a link from google: > https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/spokescouncil . These approaches Reviewing with what I know now, it's pretty obvious the situation would focus on the spokes and disrupt their communication channels. You could counter that by providing an avenue for _anybody_ at _any time_ to veto a past decision. You'd want to provide the avenue at places likely to be impacted by the decision. This is in case people weren't included in a forthright manner, which often happens when group members don't know each other well. > are continuously evolving to handle the various issues they can > encounter when used in more tense situations. People familiar with > such things, in different areas, will know more. Since then I've > discovered Convergent Facilitation: > http://nvctraining.com/media/_2018/MK/convergent-facilitation/index.html > . Convergent Facilitation looks very effective but has an obvious Here's the actual website: https://convergentfacilitation.org/ . During Covid the training group I bumped into put out a free helpline for facilitators to call in for advice with any issues they were having in their meetings. > issue where it puts only a handful of people in charge of directing > the meeting. The fact that it has this attribute is strange. In Occupy we repeatedly saw discussion facilitators suffer from problems and have to leave. I infer that in other situations that isn't as common. Another big one that's been flying around is sociocracy. Don't know much about that myself, looks promising. And of course the community and indigenous folk of the various areas solved all these problems very long ago, with their own parts of the communication issues.
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On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 4:49 AM Karl wrote: > > We need communication channels that include all the people affected by > decisions. This is very easy to do, and we have studied how for > decades. In Occupy people had all kinds of political affiliations. They weren't just from the left or the right. I learned about anarchism, but Occupy was more about democracy than anarchism or politics. I liked a decision making way called spokescouncil, which has many different variants. Here's a link from google: https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/spokescouncil . These approaches are continuously evolving to handle the various issues they can encounter when used in more tense situations. People familiar with such things, in different areas, will know more. Since then I've discovered Convergent Facilitation: http://nvctraining.com/media/_2018/MK/convergent-facilitation/index.html . Convergent Facilitation looks very effective but has an obvious issue where it puts only a handful of people in charge of directing the meeting.
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On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 4:49 AM Karl wrote: > > We need communication channels that include all the people affected by > decisions. This is very easy to do, and we have studied how for > decades. What also came out, is that we have many many solutions to pretty much any problem. If there is a hard problem, there is almost certainly somebody who knows a quick solution to it, and somebody else who knows a lot about many things that underly it. We are incredibly resourceful and smart. We just need to be able to communicate.
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We need communication channels that include all the people affected by decisions. This is very easy to do, and we have studied how for decades.
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During Occupy Wall Street, On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 2:08 PM Debian Community News Team wrote: > Please come... > https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Business/Forum/Pages/2020ForumBHR.aspx > and please share We didn't really share to the people we needed to, back then. We shared to the people we _could_. Leaders were probably frustrated. News channels would say we weren't about anything, which was totally false. It seems the basic issue was that there were very very wealthy people, who had legitimised many complex things that were causing great harm for a wide variety of communities, including forcing these communities to never collaborate together. In Occupy we finally collaborated for a few months. We welcomed the powerholders to collaborate too, but instead of joining us, they seemed to send people to spy on us and use what they learned to further harm such efforts. Nowadays, there are a number of for example economic policies, that not only aid these wealthy people in controlling the planet, but also trend towards continuing the situation, even if they die, by replacing them with other people who emerge with similar values. People who used to participate in Occupy have been through a lot in the aftermath, and have trouble reconnecting with their original effort, and might be scared to do so. But we also hold in our minds how wonderful it was, and yearn to have these discussions again. People who identify as activists, especially the jaded ones, have all experienced these things. There are thousands and thousands of us, and we all have some different part of the visceral experience of the global corruption and deafness.
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Please come... https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Business/Forum/Pages/2020ForumBHR.aspx and please share
