Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
Oh no, I fully understood those arguments and conceeded that in certain scenarios such ethnic groups might experience disproportionate amounts of impact. However, when we start talking about actively putting them up the chimneys, then we've moved into making such ethnic groups targets. Hey...there's nothing saying a smart person can't end up a racist. However, it is to be expected that a smart racist will have particularly clever arguments to justify such racism. In addition, I suspect that some of our more robust inner-city dwellers might actually adapt quite quickly to such scenarios. As for trailer trash, however... -TD From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Word Of the Subgenius... Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:01:04 -0800 At 11:21 AM 12/9/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, May seemed to try to make the case that all of those useles eaters were in large part responsible for the very existence of the state, and that collapse of the state meant the inevitable downfall of huge numbers of minorities (why he focused on them as opposed to white trailer trash I don't know). But he was definitely advocating that racist viewpoints fall naturally out of a crypto-anarchic approach. Tyler: A rational person has to admit that many parasitic folks of all albedos are able to exist because they occupy a govt-funded niche. Without a welfare govt, those people would either 1. subsist on private (ie voluntary) charity, 2. become useful by necessity 3. die of starvation 4. die during attempts to coerce others with violence. Depending on your beliefs about human demographics/nature, you will assign variable percentages to these outcomes. It *is* racist to think that genotypes in each bin will differ *IFF* you *don't* ascribe this outcome to culture associated with genotypes. But culturism is not racism, its recognition of how behavior and evolution work. I subscribe to and will defend culturism. (I speak for myself, not TM (tm), though I may or may not be a duly appointed pope of the church of strong cryptography; though recently I've been trending towards being an Earthquaker, who believes in tectonics, esp. during seismic events. Our vatican is in Parkfield BTW :-)
Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving
- Original Message - From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving At 07:47 PM 12/9/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote: If the Klan doesn't have a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will survive? Well besides the misinterprettaion of the ruling, which I will ignore, what makes you think MixMaster isn't already dead? OK, substitute wardriving email injection when wardriving is otherwise legal for Mixmastering, albeit the former is less secure since the injection lat/long is known. And you need to use a disposable Wifi card or at least one with a mutable MAC. Wardriving is also basically dead. Sure there are a handful of people that do it, but the number is so small as to be irrelevant. Checking the logs for my network (which does run WEP so the number of attacks may be reduced from unprotected) in the last 2 years someone (other than those authorized) has attempted to connect about 1000 times, of those only 4 made repeated attempts, 2 succeeded and hit the outside of the IPSec server (I run WEP as a courtesy to the rest of the connection attempts). That means that in the last 2 years there have been at most 4 attempts at wardriving my network, and I live in a population dense part of San Jose. Wardriving can also be declared dead. Glancing at the wireless networks visible from my computer I currently see 6, all using at least WEP (earlier there were 7, still all encrypted). I regularly drive down through Los Angeles, when I have stopped for gas or food and checked I rarely see an unprotected network. The WEP message has gotten out, and the higher security versions are getting the message out as well. Now all it will take is a small court ruling that whatever comes out of your network you are responsible for, and the available wardriving targets will quickly drop to almost 0. Wardriving is either dead or dying. Or consider a Napster-level popular app which includes mixing or onion routing. Now we're back to the MixMaster argument. Mixmaster was meant to be a Napster-level popular app for emailing, but people just don't care about anonymity. Such an app would need to have a seperate primary purpose. The problem with this is that, as we've seen with Freenet, the extra security layering can actually undermine the usability, leading to a functional collapse. If a proper medium can be struck then such an application can become popular, I don't expect this to happen any time soon. Joe
RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: Those cops you taught...do you think they were stupid enough to assume that, because this was their first time hearing about Stego, that Al Qaeda was only starting to use it right then? Thats an interesting question on several different levels: (1) There is (both within LEAs and the rest of us) a wide range of opinions as to the feasability of stego being used in the field for anything useful. Remember that USA professional spies (who spent over a year learning tradcraft IIRC) had continuous problems with very simple encryptions/decryptions in the real world. (2) The folks in the Al Qaeda is Satan camp generally believe that not only is stego in wide use, but that AlQ has somehow managed to turn it into a high bandwidth channel which is being used every day to Subvert The American Way Of Life and infect Our Precious Bodily Fluids. No amount of education seems to dissuade these people from their misbeliefs. (3) The other camp believes that stego is a lab-only toy, unsuitable for much of anything besides scaring the shit out of the people in the Satan camp. (4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my belief that while stego *may* be in use, if it is, that use is for one way messages of semaphore-class messages only. I really do not understand why this view is poopoo'd by all sides, so I must be pretty dense? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
J.A. Terranson wrote: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: Those cops you taught...do you think they were stupid enough to assume that, because this was their first time hearing about Stego, that Al Qaeda was only starting to use it right then? Thats an interesting question on several different levels: (1) There is (both within LEAs and the rest of us) a wide range of opinions as to the feasability of stego being used in the field for anything useful. Remember that USA professional spies (who spent over a year learning tradcraft IIRC) had continuous problems with very simple encryptions/decryptions in the real world. (2) The folks in the Al Qaeda is Satan camp generally believe that not only is stego in wide use, but that AlQ has somehow managed to turn it into a high bandwidth channel which is being used every day to Subvert The American Way Of Life and infect Our Precious Bodily Fluids. No amount of education seems to dissuade these people from their misbeliefs. (3) The other camp believes that stego is a lab-only toy, unsuitable for much of anything besides scaring the shit out of the people in the Satan camp. (4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my belief that while stego *may* be in use, if it is, that use is for one way messages of semaphore-class messages only. I really do not understand why this view is poopoo'd by all sides, so I must be pretty dense? It only makes sense that transmitted stego payloads be simple codewords or signals. For hand carried chunks of data, simple disguise is sufficient The bulk transport of dangerous data is a threat model that doesnt fit the situation. Perhaps LEA confuse themselves thinking al-q is inciting a cultural revolution?
RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 9, 2004 2:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages .. NSA folks, on the other hand, I would assume have a soft version of a Variola Stego suitcase...able to quickly detect the presence of pretty much any kind of stego and then perform some tests to determine what kind was used. I bet they've been aware of Al Qaeda stego for a long time...that's probably the kind of thing they are very very good at. Maybe, but I think it would be very hard to write a general-purpose stego detector, without knowing the techniques used for encoding the message. And if you know the distribution of your cover channel as well as your attacker, or can generate lots of values from that distribution even if you can'd describe it, you can encode messages in a way that provably can't be detected, down to the quality of your random number generator and the difficulty of guessing your key. I imagine this as something much like a virus scanner. Look for known stego programs, and also for signatures of known stegp programs. Really good programs might be impossible to find without doing, say, a password search. But it's worth noting that AQ has to do key management just like the rest of us, and that's hard when you are communicating with a lot of different people. If your stego is password-protected, some terrorist's laptop is going to have a post-it note on the screen with the password. .. -TD --John Kelsey
tangled contexts
Process and perception This capacity for making high order discriminations about relationships between objects in our world, can be taken as the proper function of our cognitive competency. The attribute of intentionality, to this way of thinking, is best understood as work product of a discrete sub-module of our brain. We infer agency from our observations. What is agency? Well first and foremost, it is that which is recognizable to the competencies in process, that form these judgments. Does this sound circular? Surely it is circular in a crucial sense. All that we know comes to our attention as the work product of process in various competencies. Ultimately the authority of these high order discriminations comes not from a judgment about the correlation between our perceptions and the state of the objective world, but instead from their immediacy. This is to say that we do not perceive and then make judgments, our first awareness of every thing is located in the moment that the competent module forms some thing out of the possibilities. These awareness's are not in the semantic domain. Our knowing of particular attributes precedes the semantic transform that tags and packages up insights, for storage and shipping. We know what we know and we apologize for not being able to convey this knowing more effectively. That we are able to communicate at all, is a testament to the power of trial and error and the phenomenal similarity of our minds. This similarity is not accidental. Even as each person is an absolutely unique instance of humanity, what we are, is the embodiment of a phenomenally complex tangle of historical accomplishments that is fundamentally common to us all. Creativity emerges via the capacity/ability to merge contexts Biological instrumentality: The complex objects of our knowings come to our awareness as circumstances demand, literally selected by their features. Apprehension of the world via a sophisticatedly evolved biological instrumentality is an entropy hack. Life is the opportunistic bloom of a viral exploitation of regularity in the universe. In the beginning there was sequence, and it begat pattern and context space. Within every context space there is a tree of combinatorial consequences some leaves of which are potentially lucky. Blind evolution isn't trial and error testing of mistakes (mutations), it is the random testing of legal combinations So who set up the game, where did the rules come from, and the design language? The dynamic core of our consciousness consists of transient alignments of Feature Value - Action loops that compete for selection in a flicker-dance-sort of associations and sensory stimuli. Perception is a physics hack. Timing is everything. Three dimensionality is accessible to us via a cross mapping within the temporal manifold. Propagation of coherent correlations between map-mapped sheets of neurons act as a massively parallel delay line with multiple taps. Because both spatial and temporal coherence is preserved, the network sorts up the objects of perception and tracks them real time. Reality is best fit. Misperceptions happen, but its better than being blind. Our competency at this is not postulated, it is stipulated that the high order discriminations we perceive as qualia are exactly as amazing as the incredible complexity of the neurological stack that gives us them. Intentionality is an emergent design goal in secondary consciousness. (before getting upset about intentional language, remember that it works because reality fits.) Phenomenal transform is a semantic label for a context shift. If you insist on thinking of it as a happening, what's happening is that we find ourselves switching lexicons when we discuss certain things. Its not a description of a change of state in the object, it is a handle for referring to a pragmatic feature of discourse about it. The important thing to realize is that this sorting out of the features of the objects of our perception usually is done before we are aware of the process, but this does not mean that the process is different for hard discriminations, just that they are taking longer than the ~400ms self context loop, that feeds a product of the net's immediate state back into itself. Think convolving and converging. Discrimination occurs opportunistically, our competencies do not require conscious attention. In the formation of PV Action loops each project become one of the factions in our interior parliament. We have lots of timing to tap. Response times, flicker fusion times, saccades, pulse, peristalsis, menstruation. The royal road to cognitive illumination is the path of chronus. --bob me, I'm just a lawn mower
Re: tempest back doors
At 07:46 PM 12/9/04 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: --- Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I am stupid. I don't know how one would go about modifying application software to include a 'back door' that would presumably enhance its suceptibility to TEMPEST attacks. Isn't tempest all about EM spectrum signal detection and capture? You have your code drive a bus with signal. The bus radiates, you 'TEMPEST' the signal, game over. Back in the 60s folks programmed PDPs to play music on AM radios. Same thing. Dig? Fine. That's great as an example of transmitting data over a covert channel, but so what? As you suggest, people have been doing that with AM radios since the 60's, although the folklore mentions the phenomenon in the context of monitoring the computer's heartbeat, purely as a debugging technique. The poster didn't understand how to backdoor a program using unintentional RF as the channel. I told them. That's so what
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote: snip one of the funniest posts in recent cpunk history (STANDING OVATION) (SOUNDS OF MANY HANDS CLAPPING) Thank you Steve, for that short but entertaining look into the dark recesses of our collective consciousness :-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: Insurrectionist covers
--- R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Thompson wrote: [take back the night] Yep, the state fights to preserve its life while the people suffer their own. The mistake of top down thinking lies in the inability to really model large populations with rules, too much of the action happens at the fine grained level of every day staying alive. Actually, there's a false dichotomy there, but the misconception is so common that nobody notices it. When change comes, it will happen as the cummulative effects of millions of stuborn folk who subvert excessive authourity, 'cause they need to. Perhaps not. It may be that enough people are not too inconvenienced by the way things are today (and tomorrow). Only people on the margins will be affected in that scenario, which is largely insignificant to the perpetuation of the corrupt state. Right? As the state tries to squeeze more gold out of the untaxed ecconomy ordinary people will swarm to new work-arounds And so it goes. --bob cpunks write scripts And code. Can't forget the code. Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: tangled context probe
R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: (curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit bucket, Yawn. Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of getting read. I work through JY because I know there's uranium in that ore. But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RWBE in my procmail file next to TM, choate and proffr. -- Roy M. Silvernail is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and you're not It's just this little chromium switch, here. - TFT SpamAssassin-procmail-/dev/null-bliss http://www.rant-central.com
tangled contexts
Process and perception This capacity for making high order discriminations about relationships between objects in our world, can be taken as the proper function of our cognitive competency. The attribute of intentionality, to this way of thinking, is best understood as work product of a discrete sub-module of our brain. We infer agency from our observations. What is agency? Well first and foremost, it is that which is recognizable to the competencies in process, that form these judgments. Does this sound circular? Surely it is circular in a crucial sense. All that we know comes to our attention as the work product of process in various competencies. Ultimately the authority of these high order discriminations comes not from a judgment about the correlation between our perceptions and the state of the objective world, but instead from their immediacy. This is to say that we do not perceive and then make judgments, our first awareness of every thing is located in the moment that the competent module forms some thing out of the possibilities. These awareness's are not in the semantic domain. Our knowing of particular attributes precedes the semantic transform that tags and packages up insights, for storage and shipping. We know what we know and we apologize for not being able to convey this knowing more effectively. That we are able to communicate at all, is a testament to the power of trial and error and the phenomenal similarity of our minds. This similarity is not accidental. Even as each person is an absolutely unique instance of humanity, what we are, is the embodiment of a phenomenally complex tangle of historical accomplishments that is fundamentally common to us all. Creativity emerges via the capacity/ability to merge contexts Biological instrumentality: The complex objects of our knowings come to our awareness as circumstances demand, literally selected by their features. Apprehension of the world via a sophisticatedly evolved biological instrumentality is an entropy hack. Life is the opportunistic bloom of a viral exploitation of regularity in the universe. In the beginning there was sequence, and it begat pattern and context space. Within every context space there is a tree of combinatorial consequences some leaves of which are potentially lucky. Blind evolution isn't trial and error testing of mistakes (mutations), it is the random testing of legal combinations So who set up the game, where did the rules come from, and the design language? The dynamic core of our consciousness consists of transient alignments of Feature Value - Action loops that compete for selection in a flicker-dance-sort of associations and sensory stimuli. Perception is a physics hack. Timing is everything. Three dimensionality is accessible to us via a cross mapping within the temporal manifold. Propagation of coherent correlations between map-mapped sheets of neurons act as a massively parallel delay line with multiple taps. Because both spatial and temporal coherence is preserved, the network sorts up the objects of perception and tracks them real time. Reality is best fit. Misperceptions happen, but its better than being blind. Our competency at this is not postulated, it is stipulated that the high order discriminations we perceive as qualia are exactly as amazing as the incredible complexity of the neurological stack that gives us them. Intentionality is an emergent design goal in secondary consciousness. (before getting upset about intentional language, remember that it works because reality fits.) Phenomenal transform is a semantic label for a context shift. If you insist on thinking of it as a happening, what's happening is that we find ourselves switching lexicons when we discuss certain things. Its not a description of a change of state in the object, it is a handle for referring to a pragmatic feature of discourse about it. The important thing to realize is that this sorting out of the features of the objects of our perception usually is done before we are aware of the process, but this does not mean that the process is different for hard discriminations, just that they are taking longer than the ~400ms self context loop, that feeds a product of the net's immediate state back into itself. Think convolving and converging. Discrimination occurs opportunistically, our competencies do not require conscious attention. In the formation of PV Action loops each project become one of the factions in our interior parliament. We have lots of timing to tap. Response times, flicker fusion times, saccades, pulse, peristalsis, menstruation. The royal road to cognitive illumination is the path of chronus. --bob me, I'm just a lawn mower
Re: punkly current events
And don't forget...Spam is a good thing as long as it doesn't clog the Mixmaster bandwidth. -TD From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: punkly current events Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:19:26 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. I disagree. Except for the early days, spammers have been little more than a low volume nuisance on Mix. What killed mix was it's complexity - Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it, and new reops have a hell of a time getting a node running (with pingers and other required tools). Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: SEC Probes Firms That Gather Data on Who Owns What Shares
At 6:43 PM -0800 12/9/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Just for the newbies, these are all bearer instruments, in RAHspeak. Now, *that* I wasn't paying attention to, having just seen the omigawd, more financial proctology aspects at the beginning of the article. Thank you. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
TSA groping
At 04:50 PM 12/10/04 -0500, R.A. Hettinga wrote: The change is minor and TSA officials say they have no plans to rescind pat-down procedures that require screeners to touch passengers' chest and groin areas while checking for weapons or explosives. Nevertheless, it represents an attempt by the TSA to improve its image among travelers. I flew monthly for several years after 2001. I was never touched. Should I be surprised to find a goon touching me that way, I would not be able to stop certain reflexes involving ballistic application of elbows and knees. I am surprised this has not happened or perhaps it is not reported.
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote: While we're speaking of pot, I should note that the grass available in this neck of the woods is substandard at best. What with all the illegal suburban grow-ops in Toronto, you'd think one would be able to buy half-decent weed from time to time. But no... It's all crap. You're scroing in the wrong neighborhoods. Try the areas which rely on grass for their day to day needs. A neighborhood heavily populated by Tims eaters would be best ;-) Steve -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: tangled context probe
R.A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:56 AM -0500 12/10/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RWBE in my procmail file What's taking you so long? :-) Cheers, RAH cf: various imprecations against feeding trolls cet... Aww, come on guys i only eat little sheep and i hide from the wolves under cover of a bridge --bob
Re: punkly current events
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 06:53:26AM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Name a place which is not subject to US juridiction? Ok, Iran, N Kr, Most places outside US which are not banana republics. I'm living in one. until we pull a regime change (tm) on them. Yeah, they have a lot of 'net bandwidth, right. And if extradition isn't happening fast enough, we'll send a DEA agent or snatch-und-grab specops to kidnap them. What, all this to shut down a remop? Could as well reprogram one of these aging ICBMs... Hegemony isn't just for breakfast anymore. If you think you're not under Bush's boot, you just haven't pissed him off enough, yet. Which threat model? Individual remop, a country, a bloc? Last time I looked US deficit was well on the way to turn thalers into Soviet-era paper. It is somewhat hard to posture as a world hegemon if everybody knows you're only operating because every significant investor is propping you up, since running danger of losing their entire investment (in for a penny...). If it's going to give, it's going to be a landslide. Of course, then the entire house of cards is going to crash down, which would suck. It could even bring down the tigers/dragons, though they probably have enough own momentum by now. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpu8T86VQjty.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: punkly current events
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. I disagree. Except for the early days, spammers have been little more than a low volume nuisance on Mix. What killed mix was it's complexity - Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it, and new reops have a hell of a time getting a node running (with pingers and other required tools). Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: tempest back doors
--- Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I am stupid. I don't know how one would go about modifying application software to include a 'back door' that would presumably enhance its suceptibility to TEMPEST attacks. Isn't tempest all about EM spectrum signal detection and capture? You have your code drive a bus with signal. The bus radiates, you 'TEMPEST' the signal, game over. Back in the 60s folks programmed PDPs to play music on AM radios. Same thing. Dig? Fine. That's great as an example of transmitting data over a covert channel, but so what? As you suggest, people have been doing that with AM radios since the 60's, although the folklore mentions the phenomenon in the context of monitoring the computer's heartbeat, purely as a debugging technique. What makes this odd is that the Wired article makes no mention of Tempest, only of the possibility of there being a back door, which in the usual vernacular of computer security, usually implies a method for unauthorised access or use of the software system in question. Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Sheep Herding
The secular bible: Our project First let me speak to my Christian brothers and sisters. I mean you no disrespect by using the term bible in an unholy attack on your faith. The project of this secular bible honors the sanctity of holy documents. A secular bible could only be true to itself is it stood for tolerance and cooperation. We all know of the worldwide spread of dissatisfaction and unhappiness. We acknowledge the existence of what we can only call evil in the world. We have less agreement on what we call good or godlike We have not found enough agreement on what to do about evil. There are those among us who hold to the principle no agreement is required. The proper agents in the war against chaos are the free and independent thinkers of the mythical open society. The radical edge of this stance is the notion that cooperation always entails disaster in the form of unintended consequences. There are those among us who are afraid of the unknown. Many of us prefer to keep to the familiar. We find ourselves in circles of friends and relatives and find comfort or at least solace in the company of these others. We become us. There is a subtle danger in this. The formation of community is also the formation of them There are those among us who fear them so much that the very thought of cooperation is scary. To them the idea that there could be a science of cooperation is absurd. They will cite economics and rational self interest to avoid gambling on trust. The run-away paranoia that can ensue will tax their freedom as surely as the state must. The project of the science of understanding, this secular bible giving people an understanding of their part in the universe, and the tools they need to get along with all manner of thinkers. (tbc) Of course this is all meant sarcastically. The Lord knows, nobody wants to just get along.
Re: punkly current events
- Original Message - From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: punkly current events If the Klan doesn't have a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will survive? Well besides the misinterprettaion of the ruling, which I will ignore, what makes you think MixMaster isn't already dead? MixMaster is only being used by a small percentage of individuals. Those individuals like to claim that everyone should send everything anonymously, when in truth communication cannot happen with anonymity, and trust cannot be built anonymously. This leaves MixMaster as only being useful for a small percentage of normal people, and those using it to prevent being identified as they communicate with other known individuals. The result of this is rather the opposite of what MixMaster is supposed to create. A small group to investigate for any actions which are illegal, or deemed worth investigating. In fact it is arguable that for a new face in action it is probably easier to get away with the actions in question to send the information in the clear to their compatriots than it is to use MixMaster, simply because being a part of the group using MixMaster immediately flags them, as potential problems. In short, except for those few people who have some use for MixMaster, MixMaster was stillborn. I'm not arguing whether such a situation should be the correct way things happened, but that is the way things happened. Joe
Re: punkly current events
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: And don't forget...Spam is a good thing as long as it doesn't clog the Mixmaster bandwidth. No, it's not. There are other things that can produce the same cover effects: cron jobs or daemons that fire off random chaff work just as well, without the mess of allowing UCE. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving
At 09:47 PM 12/10/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote: Wardriving is also basically dead. On the contrary. A recent article (zdnet IIRC) described a non-hacker visiting his father, and using a neighbor's connection accidentally. This is very common. My own non-tech father regularly finds other nets in his neighborhood, using default apps (not 'Stumbler, etc). Sure there are a handful of people that do it, but the number is so small as to be irrelevant. That 'wardrive' knowing its called that, yes. That do so accidentally, no. Or consider a Napster-level popular app which includes mixing or onion routing. Now we're back to the MixMaster argument. Mixmaster was meant to be a Napster-level popular app for emailing, but people just don't care about anonymity. Mixmaster is the most godawful complex thing to use, much less administer, around. Even Jack B Nymble is complex. It needs a simple luser interface and something to piggyback servers on.
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
If you also consider the fact that I have been variously poisoned in recent years with everything from sedatives to stimulants to hormones to psychoactive compounds to low-level hallucinogens, and as well have been subjected to uncounted appeals to my subconscious in the main through the use of direct and indirect sexually exploitative imagery and encounters, you might get the idea that consistent literary output is simply not in the offing. Sounds like a fuckin' party, if you ask me! Quit bogartin' that J... -TD From: Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Word Of the Subgenius... Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:19:06 -0500 (EST) --- John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [May] Maybe, maybe not. The thing I always find interesting and annoying about Tim May's posts is that he's sometimes making really clearly thought out, intelligent points, and other times spewing out nonsense so crazy you can't believe it's coming from the same person. It's also clear he's often yanking peoples' chains, often by saying the most offensive thing he can think of. But once in awhile, even amidst the crazy rantings about useless eaters and ovens, he'll toss out something that shows some deep, coherent thought about some issue in a new and fascinating direction. That paragraph could easily be modified to make it a commentary on my posting habits, or indeed, on my general presentation from day to day. So, I will comment. On a pseudo-random but cyclic schedule, I am harassed, provoked, or otherwise experience incidents of aggression of one sort or another. This affects my mood and general state of mind to varying degrees. Furthermore, I do not have consistent dietary intake, nor do I live in an environment which allows or provides privacy, security, or consistency save that which I impose with the expenditure of a great deal of effort and patience. If you also consider the fact that I have been variously poisoned in recent years with everything from sedatives to stimulants to hormones to psychoactive compounds to low-level hallucinogens, and as well have been subjected to uncounted appeals to my subconscious in the main through the use of direct and indirect sexually exploitative imagery and encounters, you might get the idea that consistent literary output is simply not in the offing. Before anyone goes to the trouble of suggesting that I discuss matters with the police, I'll save them the bother. The police have entirely failed to allow my allegations the courtesy of a hearing. Not even once. I belive that those who have not merely dirties their own hands in some way, are too chikenshit to recognise some of the more subtle criminality that goes on in this country. Or they may be intimidated by the kind of agency[1] that has invoved itself in the kind of clandestine activity that is at issue. Add in the fact that I've been dealing with _some_ sort of malicious and interfereing bullshit for quite a few years without any sincere assistance of any sort beyond the odd informational giveaway of dubious provenance, and you might well conclude that whatever else is going on, I'm not a happy camper. Perhaps my inconsistent presentation mimics the inconclusive partial criterion for certain classical mental afflictions. This is convenient as such afflictions are conveniently viewed by the layman and professional alike as having an origin that is entirely internal to the individual in question. However, I have quite a bit of evidence of varying grades that support my position rather well. Time will tell, perhaps, the true nature of the matter in a fashion that leaves no doubt in the mind of the uninvolved spectator. But in the interim, that will have to stand as my overbrief outline of the reason why I exhibit inconsistency in writing, speech, and action. I am simply way too busy dealing with what can in one way be viewed as a chronic and personalised denial of service attack. Perhaps Tim May has an entirely different set of factors influencing his online behaviour. You will have to ask him to explain his circumstances, and hope that he consents to it. As for my case, I do not really wish to make it a topic of discussion on the Cypherpunks list. The law enforecement (and perhipheral) personnel who have involvement in my affairs, for whatever reason, are (and should be) fully aware of the external influences on my psychology. They have the investigative tools and authority to make definitive findings of fact, and to take corrective action should they find incidents of criminal liability, but as yet have refused to do so. And *that* is another matter entirely. Regards, Steve [1] general sense of the term. I'm not referring to, say, the CIA specifically in this instance. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: punkly current events
At 01:19 PM 12/10/04 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: I disagree. Except for the early days, spammers have been little more than a low volume nuisance on Mix. What killed mix was it's complexity - Joe Blow can't figure out how to use it, and new reops have a hell of a time getting a node running (with pingers and other required tools). Take away complexity, and Mix *could* flourish - in spite of the fedz. I agree, with the additional constraint that mix functionality piggyback with a more popular feature. Most folks won't install even the most benign, easy to use mixer; but include a mix server in a jazzy IM or next-gen napster program, and you get deployed.
Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving
Joseph Ashwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I regularly drive down through Los Angeles, when I have stopped for gas or food and checked I rarely see an unprotected network. This seems like a peculiarity of your location. Here in Austin almost all of downtown is covered by free wireless. -- Riad S. Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
--- John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [May] Maybe, maybe not. The thing I always find interesting and annoying about Tim May's posts is that he's sometimes making really clearly thought out, intelligent points, and other times spewing out nonsense so crazy you can't believe it's coming from the same person. It's also clear he's often yanking peoples' chains, often by saying the most offensive thing he can think of. But once in awhile, even amidst the crazy rantings about useless eaters and ovens, he'll toss out something that shows some deep, coherent thought about some issue in a new and fascinating direction. That paragraph could easily be modified to make it a commentary on my posting habits, or indeed, on my general presentation from day to day. So, I will comment. On a pseudo-random but cyclic schedule, I am harassed, provoked, or otherwise experience incidents of aggression of one sort or another. This affects my mood and general state of mind to varying degrees. Furthermore, I do not have consistent dietary intake, nor do I live in an environment which allows or provides privacy, security, or consistency save that which I impose with the expenditure of a great deal of effort and patience. If you also consider the fact that I have been variously poisoned in recent years with everything from sedatives to stimulants to hormones to psychoactive compounds to low-level hallucinogens, and as well have been subjected to uncounted appeals to my subconscious in the main through the use of direct and indirect sexually exploitative imagery and encounters, you might get the idea that consistent literary output is simply not in the offing. Before anyone goes to the trouble of suggesting that I discuss matters with the police, I'll save them the bother. The police have entirely failed to allow my allegations the courtesy of a hearing. Not even once. I belive that those who have not merely dirties their own hands in some way, are too chikenshit to recognise some of the more subtle criminality that goes on in this country. Or they may be intimidated by the kind of agency[1] that has invoved itself in the kind of clandestine activity that is at issue. Add in the fact that I've been dealing with _some_ sort of malicious and interfereing bullshit for quite a few years without any sincere assistance of any sort beyond the odd informational giveaway of dubious provenance, and you might well conclude that whatever else is going on, I'm not a happy camper. Perhaps my inconsistent presentation mimics the inconclusive partial criterion for certain classical mental afflictions. This is convenient as such afflictions are conveniently viewed by the layman and professional alike as having an origin that is entirely internal to the individual in question. However, I have quite a bit of evidence of varying grades that support my position rather well. Time will tell, perhaps, the true nature of the matter in a fashion that leaves no doubt in the mind of the uninvolved spectator. But in the interim, that will have to stand as my overbrief outline of the reason why I exhibit inconsistency in writing, speech, and action. I am simply way too busy dealing with what can in one way be viewed as a chronic and personalised denial of service attack. Perhaps Tim May has an entirely different set of factors influencing his online behaviour. You will have to ask him to explain his circumstances, and hope that he consents to it. As for my case, I do not really wish to make it a topic of discussion on the Cypherpunks list. The law enforecement (and perhipheral) personnel who have involvement in my affairs, for whatever reason, are (and should be) fully aware of the external influences on my psychology. They have the investigative tools and authority to make definitive findings of fact, and to take corrective action should they find incidents of criminal liability, but as yet have refused to do so. And *that* is another matter entirely. Regards, Steve [1] general sense of the term. I'm not referring to, say, the CIA specifically in this instance. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
punkly current events
Someone should have commented here, so I will, that some judges (earning hanging) basically said that anonymity is not a right. This in the context of mask-wearing in public. If the Klan doesn't have a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will survive?
Re: tangled context probe
Tyler Durden wrote: Well, when you put it that way, that changes everything. All is now clear. Please continue downloading the syntactic mappings of random neural firing...I'm using your output to seed a random number generator. Oh, and don't forget to cc Choate. -TD You could do worse, my entropy is real. Whatever your take on memes I predict that certain messages play better than others. Analysis of the opposition's frame of minds are key. The immediate tool is that of insinuation. You dismiss some things as chaff or fluff put you cannot avoid the priming effect that well crafted misdirection employs. We protect our selves from disruptive knowledge We artistically wield our ignorance like a shield Our creativity hides our blind spots. Security through certainty is surely vunerable --bob
Obligatory Comprehension
Say what you mean, mean what you say Speaking in metaphor is anti-social If I cant understand you, I cannot trust you. Encrypted, encoded, or implied Secrets are a threat to the homeland
Insurrectionist covers
Steve Thompson wrote: --- R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Thompson wrote: [assholes] You tell them, Steve I believe I just did. Insanity is a great cover for an insurectionist! I suppose it could be, although I am give to belive that residents of the White Room Hotel may only carry out insurection in the program room, and even then only while under direct adult supervision. I have been told that this makes the task somewhat more difficult, what with the sometimes necessity of colouring outside the lines on the page (so to speak). Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Yes, you have a point there.I guess a better cover would be as local coordinator of Neighborhood Watch --bob
Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, Riad S. Wahby wrote: Joseph Ashwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I regularly drive down through Los Angeles, when I have stopped for gas or food and checked I rarely see an unprotected network. This seems like a peculiarity of your location. Here in Austin almost all of downtown is covered by free wireless. Looking out of my fifth floor window I can connect to ~20 802.x nets *without* directional antennas or high powered cards. With extra gear, I can hit almost 50, and in both cases, roughly a third are completely open, another third are trivially protected, and the remaining third have done the best they can under the circumstances :-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
In my family there's a famous story told of a particular musician who was busted on marijuana possession. His defense: But your honor...it was only lemonade. -TD From: Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Word Of the Subgenius... Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:31:34 -0500 (EST) --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Sounds like a fuckin' party, if you ask me! Quit bogartin' that J... Oh, sure. It wasn't all bad. Just ask the chick who is known in certain circles as Nefertiti. (That's her code-name). We had an excellent time together; or at least we did until the wheels fell off... But that's a story for another day. While we're speaking of pot, I should note that the grass available in this neck of the woods is substandard at best. What with all the illegal suburban grow-ops in Toronto, you'd think one would be able to buy half-decent weed from time to time. But no... It's all crap. Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Insurrectionist covers
--- Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2004-12-10T15:50:22-0500, Steve Thompson wrote: [snip] state's personality, the state has the right, nay, obligation to preserve its identity unchanged. (Isn't this pretty much polysci 101 material?) Not typically. The idea that the state has its own identity is obvious, because it has a name -- the state. It is clearly an atomic entity, in the same sense as a beehive or ant colony (to borrow unapologetically from R. Dawkins). However, discussion of the state as an singular entity that acts to preserve itself is typically delayed until study of Leviathan. Then it's expanded when studying Kant's theory of International Relations. This is what happens when one picks up ideas from people who present them second-hand (or at even greater distances from their origin) and who do not make proper footnotes. Those are typically 2nd-year courses, at a minimum. IR is typically 3rd or 4th year, but Leviathan is discussed in any number of classes, just not polysci 101. My bad. Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Timing Paranoia
At 10:16 PM -0500 12/9/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur operates from geostationary orbit. ..And here I thought VALIS was all in his head... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: punkly current events
On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 06:33:09PM -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Someone should have commented here, so I will, that some judges (earning hanging) basically said that anonymity is not a right. This in the context of mask-wearing in public. If the Klan doesn't have a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will survive? Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction? If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpyFCnk2cDda.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: punkly current events
At 11:13 AM 12/10/04 +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction? Name a place which is not subject to US juridiction? Ok, Iran, N Kr, until we pull a regime change (tm) on them. Yeah, they have a lot of 'net bandwidth, right. Some of the ex-soviets perhaps, only because the rubles / threats from the mafia exceed the rubles from the USG. Otherwise our advisors will help you Round Up your local cash crops, you how to shoot down missionaries, teach you how to gore an election. Even the chinese want trade enough to pander and are not unwilling to enforce a police state. Meanwhile all your Pakis are belong to u$ (except for those that don't, but hide the fact and um Sheik Yerbouti). And if extradition isn't happening fast enough, we'll send a DEA agent or snatch-und-grab specops to kidnap them. Hegemony isn't just for breakfast anymore. If you think you're not under Bush's boot, you just haven't pissed him off enough, yet.
RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Trei, Peter wrote: J.A. Terranson wrote: (4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my belief that while stego *may* be in use, if it is, that use is for one way messages of semaphore-class messages only. I really do not understand why this view is poopoo'd by all sides, so I must be pretty dense? For semaphores and codewords, stego isn't needed. Simply agree on a signal - if a post appears in alt.anonymous.messages with the subject To JAT, the intended recipient has got all the info he needs. Assuming you are willing to use your semaphores over overt channels. Rudimentary stego is useful when you want those same low-bandwidth messages delivered covertly. Stego is needed only when the message is too complex to have a codeword. Yet at the same time, stego is such a low bandwidth medium as to argue strongly against it's use for truly complex messaging systems. Even without software, 'numbers station' type transmissions can be sent anonymously through the net. We're not necessarily talking about an IP transport for these messages. My belief is that any unicast IP transport is inherently dangerous for critical *must-be-truly-anonymous* messaging. To put it another way, I would not (if I was AlQ, which I'm not. At least not this week...) use the internet for critical messaging. Just like I wouldn't use a satellite phone ;-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
Maybe, but I think it would be very hard to write a general-purpose stego detector, without knowing the techniques used for encoding the message. And if you know the distribution of your cover channel as well as your attacker, or can generate lots of values from that distribution even if you can'd describe it, you can encode messages in a way that provably can't be detected, down to the quality of your random number generator and the difficulty of guessing your key. Well, the first thing to remember is that Arabic more or less has a built-in method for distributing covert information...kind of like Hebrew, an Arabic word can be viewed in terms of a subset of consonants...for specific groupings there are lots of well-known associated words with the same letters. I'd bet a careful examination of bin Laden communiques will reveal the existence of pointers to such special words...the initated will know how to pull out those words and use them as passwords, etc... As for the sophistication of Al Qaeda software, remember we're probably not talking about a very centrally-organized group. Their members are scattered in all sorts of socio-eco-bandwidth environments so that off-the-shelf (where shelf=internet) stuff is going to be common. Remember too that broad categories of Stego can apparently be detected by FFT (someone here posted a link to a paper describing that). Put that and all sorts of other routines looking for specific Stego signatures inot a Variola suitcase and I bet they (NSA, though not police) can pull out practically anything they want to. BUT...that probably doesn't do them a ton of good...the plaintext will be in Arabic, it will speak symbolically, and maybe use some even more clever techniques for info obfscuration. As for the 'semaphore' theory I consider that likely...lots of info will be sent out-of-band (ie, verbally) and Stego'd info will perhaps be triggers or possibly meeting coordinates. Maybe an account number every now and then (VERY easy to hide using Arabic letter-numerals). -TD I imagine this as something much like a virus scanner. Look for known stego programs, and also for signatures of known stegp programs. Really good programs might be impossible to find without doing, say, a password search. But it's worth noting that AQ has to do key management just like the rest of us, and that's hard when you are communicating with a lot of different people. If your stego is password-protected, some terrorist's laptop is going to have a post-it note on the screen with the password. ... -TD --John Kelsey
Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: Perhaps LEA confuse themselves thinking al-q is inciting a cultural revolution? In all seriousness, there is some of that fear within the LE community. I'm sure it's about the same as when the weathermen were running around the pentagon's bathrooms (i.e., a very small subset of only the dumbest LEAs belive it), but that is certainly in the background noise. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: tangled context probe
Roy M. Silvernail wrote: R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: (curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit bucket, Yawn. Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of getting read. I work through JY because I know there's uranium in that ore. But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RWBE in my procmail file next to TM, choate and proffr. Is there a term for messages that are indistinguishable from those generated by Dissociated Press or one of its superior modern cousins? A kind of inverse Turing Test? W
Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
Steve Thompson wrote: --- R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lions and Tigers and Steganography, Nell... For those of you without a program, here is the new, official, Horsemen of the Infocalypse Scorecard: At 3:14 PM -0400 10/3/04, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Horseman Color Character Nickname 1 TerrorismRedShadow Blinky 2 NarcoticsPink Speedy Pinky 3 Money Laundering Aqua Bashful Inky 4 Paedophilia Yellow Pokey Clyde Cheers, RAH --- http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/12/08/pf-773871.html December 8, 2004 RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages By JIM BRONSKILL snort The RCMP couldn't find a hidden terrorist message even if someone shoved half of it up the ass of Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli, and the other half up the ass of Deputy Commissioner Paul Gauvin, and then sent them a map with clear directions written on it leading directly to the location of both assholes. No, I don't like them at all. Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca You tell them, Steve Insanity is a great cover for an insurectionist!
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Sounds like a fuckin' party, if you ask me! Quit bogartin' that J... Oh, sure. It wasn't all bad. Just ask the chick who is known in certain circles as Nefertiti. (That's her code-name). We had an excellent time together; or at least we did until the wheels fell off... But that's a story for another day. While we're speaking of pot, I should note that the grass available in this neck of the woods is substandard at best. What with all the illegal suburban grow-ops in Toronto, you'd think one would be able to buy half-decent weed from time to time. But no... It's all crap. Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: Timing Paranoia
Steve Thompson wrote: --- R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine a paranoia involving mysterious e-mail delays and the length of time it takes to catagorize Imagine hordes of otherwise unemployable psychologists and cognitive psychologists deployed on mailing lists and Usenet, harassing the fuck out of `persons of interest'. Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur operates from geostationary orbit. R. W. may be annoying, but at least he's derivative. -- Roy M. Silvernail is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and you're not It's just this little chromium switch, here. - TFT SpamAssassin-procmail-/dev/null-bliss http://www.rant-central.com
Re: Timing Paranoia
--- Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Thompson wrote: [imagine] Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur operates from geostationary orbit. That would be a neat trick considering the variety of likely signal path lengths to be found in the terrestial telephone network or the terrestial Internet. All in all, there are so many varibles in such conjecture as to make the hypothesis largely indeterminate. But it is amusing to consider the potential existence of the CIA Orbital Alien Mind Control Laser Cannon(tm). R. W. may be annoying, but at least he's derivative. Derivative of what, exactly? Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Cypherpunks archives online
There were some talk about archives here recently. I found two here: http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php?hunt=cypherpunks And this does indeed seem to be an active archive of the list: http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks%40minder.net/
Re: tangled contexts
--- R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Process and perception [snip] We have lots of timing to tap. Response times, flicker fusion times, saccades, pulse, peristalsis, menstruation. The royal road to cognitive illumination is the path of chronus. If you go about tapping the peristaltic functions of the general public, you will definately get in shit. Why, you might even get your hands dirty. Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: tangled context probe
At 10:56 AM -0500 12/10/04, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RWBE in my procmail file What's taking you so long? :-) Cheers, RAH cf: various imprecations against feeding trolls cet... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
RE: punkly current events
Eugen Leitl You could claim your machine was infected with mixmaster malware, or something. Now that would be an interesting worm - one which, instead of installing a spamalator, installed a remailer and posted public keys and contact info to usenet. (Disclaimer: No, I don't do things like that). Peter
Re: tangled context probe
Well, when you put it that way, that changes everything. All is now clear. Please continue downloading the syntactic mappings of random neural firing...I'm using your output to seed a random number generator. Oh, and don't forget to cc Choate. -TD From: R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tangled context probe Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:27:08 -0500 Tyler Durden wrote: As to the crypto relevance: context Arranged signals can be anything at all. If you don't share the context of the communicators, you have no idea what they convey in their conversation about the whether. That's a stretch. Soon you'll say that Post-modernist literary theory is Cypherpunkish content because it deals with 'context'. I suggest you take up your theories with Mr Choate and the Dallas Cypherpunk(s). In that 'context' your posts will appear lucid. -TD No, all that european bs is only relevent because it adds to the piling evidence of irrationality. Whats the connect between irrationality an C-punks? Well aside from colorful characters its also key to any understanding of the minimum mass mind. There are policy implications inherent in innate incomplitence and compliance. There are also important ecconomic understandings that hinge upon understanding irrational choices c.f hyperbolic discounting, aka matching theory. There are also techie implications: The human semantic competency is hackable --bob
Re: Insurrectionist covers
On 2004-12-10T15:50:22-0500, Steve Thompson wrote: --- R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Thompson wrote: --- R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Colouring outside the lines] Yes, you have a point there.I guess a better cover would be as local coordinator of Neighborhood Watch c.f. Take back the night, et. cetera. (And put it where?) Anyhow, isn't insurrection illegal or something? ISTR reading about the natural right of the corrupt state to exist unconditionally, and it's obligation to crush any question of change for any reason. The structure of the state in fact defines its identity as a 'person'; and since changeing the state structure could be viewed as the murder of the state's personality, the state has the right, nay, obligation to preserve its identity unchanged. (Isn't this pretty much polysci 101 material?) Not typically. The idea that the state has its own identity is obvious, because it has a name -- the state. It is clearly an atomic entity, in the same sense as a beehive or ant colony (to borrow unapologetically from R. Dawkins). However, discussion of the state as an singular entity that acts to preserve itself is typically delayed until study of Leviathan. Then it's expanded when studying Kant's theory of International Relations. Those are typically 2nd-year courses, at a minimum. IR is typically 3rd or 4th year, but Leviathan is discussed in any number of classes, just not polysci 101.
re: tangled context probe
(curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit bucket, I know its raw verbiage, but is it so incoherent it self-destructs? -bob) Process and perception This capacity for making high order discriminations about relationships between objects in our world, can be taken as the proper function of our cognitive competency. The attribute of intentionality, to this way of thinking, is best understood as work product of a discrete sub-module of our brain. We infer agency from our observations. What is agency? Well first and foremost, it is that which is recognizable to the competencies in process, that form these judgments. Does this sound circular? Surely it is circular in a crucial sense. All that we know comes to our attention as the work product of process in various competencies. Ultimately the authority of these high order discriminations comes not from a judgment about the correlation between our perceptions and the state of the objective world, but instead from their immediacy. This is to say that we do not perceive and then make judgments, our first awareness of every thing is located in the moment that the competent module forms some thing out of the possibilities. These awareness's are not in the semantic domain. Our knowing of particular attributes precedes the semantic transform that tags and packages up insights, for storage and shipping. We know what we know and we apologize for not being able to convey this knowing more effectively. That we are able to communicate at all, is a testament to the power of trial and error and the phenomenal similarity of our minds. This similarity is not accidental. Even as each person is an absolutely unique instance of humanity, what we are, is the embodiment of a phenomenally complex tangle of historical accomplishments that is fundamentally common to us all. Creativity emerges via the capacity/ability to merge contexts Biological instrumentality: The complex objects of our knowings come to our awareness as circumstances demand, literally selected by their features. Apprehension of the world via a sophisticatedly evolved biological instrumentality is an entropy hack. Life is the opportunistic bloom of a viral exploitation of regularity in the universe. In the beginning there was sequence, and it begat pattern and context space. Within every context space there is a tree of combinatorial consequences some leaves of which are potentially lucky. Blind evolution isn't trial and error testing of mistakes (mutations), it is the random testing of legal combinations So who set up the game, where did the rules come from, and the design language? The dynamic core of our consciousness consists of transient alignments of Feature Value - Action loops that compete for selection in a flicker-dance-sort of associations and sensory stimuli. Perception is a physics hack. Timing is everything. Three dimensionality is accessible to us via a cross mapping within the temporal manifold. Propagation of coherent correlations between map-mapped sheets of neurons act as a massively parallel delay line with multiple taps. Because both spatial and temporal coherence is preserved, the network sorts up the objects of perception and tracks them real time. Reality is best fit. Misperceptions happen, but its better than being blind. Our competency at this is not postulated, it is stipulated that the high order discriminations we perceive as qualia are exactly as amazing as the incredible complexity of the neurological stack that gives us them. Intentionality is an emergent design goal in secondary consciousness. (before getting upset about intentional language, remember that it works because reality fits.) Phenomenal transform is a semantic label for a context shift. If you insist on thinking of it as a happening, what's happening is that we find ourselves switching lexicons when we discuss certain things. Its not a description of a change of state in the object, it is a handle for referring to a pragmatic feature of discourse about it. The important thing to realize is that this sorting out of the features of the objects of our perception usually is done before we are aware of the process, but this does not mean that the process is different for hard discriminations, just that they are taking longer than the ~400ms self context loop, that feeds a product of the net's immediate state back into itself. Think convolving and converging. Discrimination occurs opportunistically, our competencies do not require conscious attention. In the formation of PV Action loops each project become one of the factions in our interior parliament. We have lots of timing to tap. Response times, flicker fusion times, saccades, pulse, peristalsis, menstruation. The royal road to cognitive illumination is the path of chronus. --bob me, I'm just a lawn mower
Nul Context
Communication is about context Sometimes the context is so obvious that the frame is nearly invisible, sometimes the context is so subtle that indications of obvious significance can only be detected after much study. Language and meaning involve sharing of contexts. This is obvious, what is less obvious is the way that communication implicates a context one might call, A Theory of Mind What does this mean? Well a lot of it is hidden in what we call common sense, or folk psychology. You know what I mean because I'm behaving conventionally in my choice of words, and saying stuff that makes sense. When we use language conventionally, we talk about things that are happening and what people are thinking. When we talk about things that matter we wonder what others think. We think about what other people are thinking, all the time. Its a common enough usage of language, and quite comprehensible. Which makes it all the more peculiar that for a long time science had a weird rule that said that unempirical terms like intention and purpose, not to mention perception and comprehension were metaphysical nonsense. Science has come a long way since the logical positivists held sway. Its not that they were wrong, the problem was they couldnt be right. The original proof that they were wrong was at hand for most of the 20th century, in the interference pattern between the works of Wittgenstein and Gdel, As recently as the middle of the last century, back when Chomsky was doing his seminal work in deep structures, psychology was firmly stuck with Pavlovian Reflexes and Skinner Boxes and vigorously opposed adopting any working theory of mind. Stimulus Response Theory just cant handle task of explaining what an artist does. Into this context, Modern Linguistics was born.
Re: tangled context probe
Tyler Durden wrote: As to the crypto relevance: context Arranged signals can be anything at all. If you don't share the context of the communicators, you have no idea what they convey in their conversation about the whether. That's a stretch. Soon you'll say that Post-modernist literary theory is Cypherpunkish content because it deals with 'context'. I suggest you take up your theories with Mr Choate and the Dallas Cypherpunk(s). In that 'context' your posts will appear lucid. -TD No, all that european bs is only relevent because it adds to the piling evidence of irrationality. Whats the connect between irrationality an C-punks? Well aside from colorful characters its also key to any understanding of the minimum mass mind. There are policy implications inherent in innate incomplitence and compliance. There are also important ecconomic understandings that hinge upon understanding irrational choices c.f hyperbolic discounting, aka matching theory. There are also techie implications: The human semantic competency is hackable --bob
Re: punkly current events
On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 06:01:25AM -0500, Gabriel Rocha wrote: The latter statement my well be true, I don't use the network, nor know the ratios of good/bad traffic. But I am very curious to find out what I don't have data either. I'm guessing the bad traffic part is 95-98%. (I'm extrapolating from absence, as the only responses to the abuse address were people harassed by idiots). would be considered geographically safe jurisdictions in this sense. Not just today, but given the general trend, where would you see such a jurisdition being found in a year or five or ten? While there is a distinct trend in NA, EU and elsewhere to try to snoop, and to control, it's not obvious the development is permanent, and irreversible. P2P traffic in general is increasing, and trivial remixing and encryption is becoming more and more widespread (arrr!). Spam and malware traffic also increases the noise level. You could claim your machine was infected with mixmaster malware, or something. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpi8stvkmwpi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: punkly current events
At 6:33 PM -0800 12/9/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: If the Klan doesn't have a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will survive? Which was me point, mutters Killick, under his breath... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Timing Paranoia
Roy M. Silvernail wrote: Steve Thompson wrote: --- R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine a paranoia involving mysterious e-mail delays and the length of time it takes to catagorize Imagine hordes of otherwise unemployable psychologists and cognitive psychologists deployed on mailing lists and Usenet, harassing the fuck out of `persons of interest'. Imagine using observed timing to conclude that your agent provocateur operates from geostationary orbit. R. W. may be annoying, but at least he's derivative. Total novelty is a fiction. If its not familiar, you wouldnt recognize it We all work with the same handicaps but some of us have agenda's and others have excuses. I am a collection of projects, mine is the semantic path, if anything of significance is missed, I'll send back reports from the other side --bob maker of absurtities no tangle too complex to fit through the I of my needle
Re: Timing Paranoia
--- R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the tools currently being used in the cognitive sciences is the measurement of reaction time to stimulus. What's this? The cognitive equivalent to wacking someone on the knee with a rubber hammer to measure the mentak kick reflex of the subject? It turns out that the length of time it takes to given situations is a credible proxy for how difficult the discrimination is to make. For the individual subject. I would imagine that such testing would (among other things) allow some measurement of the thoughtfullness put into a response. Careful construction of the tests to control for various factors might then allow inferences to be made about the relative sophistication to be found in the cognitive structures involved in the test-response on a subject-by-subject basis. Imagine a paranoia involving mysterious e-mail delays and the length of time it takes to catagorize Imagine hordes of otherwise unemployable psychologists and cognitive psychologists deployed on mailing lists and Usenet, harassing the fuck out of `persons of interest'. Civil rights, for the majority of the civilian population, are entirely non-existent for all intents and purposes. I imagine that a great many self-styled scientists are happily engaged in the cultivation and acquisition of psycho-social data and knowledge, in public fora, without too much thought about the morality of their intrusive meddling in the commons. All in the name of science, of course. Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: tangled context probe
As to the crypto relevance: context Arranged signals can be anything at all. If you don't share the context of the communicators, you have no idea what they convey in their conversation about the whether. That's a stretch. Soon you'll say that Post-modernist literary theory is Cypherpunkish content because it deals with 'context'. I suggest you take up your theories with Mr Choate and the Dallas Cypherpunk(s). In that 'context' your posts will appear lucid. -TD From: R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roy M. Silvernail [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: tangled context probe Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:29:21 -0500 Roy M. Silvernail wrote: R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: (curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit bucket, Yawn. Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of getting read. I work through JY because I know there's uranium in that ore. But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RWBE in my procmail file next to TM, choate and proffr. OK, it was just an unknown context for me.. My sincere apologies for subjecting you to a decrease in signal to noise. I know that I have to work on my presentation. Without sufficient introduction anything new is indistinguishable from cracked pottery. The synthetic perspective I am toying with is built upon some premises from cogsci In my opinion there are real strategic implications in the modern scientific perception of the individual as a tangle of competing interests. Self interest is one of given principles. In so far as the self is a personal mythology, and the irrationality of sheep hood is built in, I think three could be policy implications. As to the crypto relevance: context Arranged signals can be anything at all. If you don't share the context of the communicators, you have no idea what they convey in their conversation about the whether. Once again, I plead stupidity for the duplicates I will do penance --bob
RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
J.A. Terranson wrote: (4) I have yet to meet a full dozen people who share my belief that while stego *may* be in use, if it is, that use is for one way messages of semaphore-class messages only. I really do not understand why this view is poopoo'd by all sides, so I must be pretty dense? For semaphores and codewords, stego isn't needed. Simply agree on a signal - if a post appears in alt.anonymous.messages with the subject To JAT, the intended recipient has got all the info he needs. Stego is needed only when the message is too complex to have a codeword. Even without software, 'numbers station' type transmissions can be sent anonymously through the net.
[p2p-hackers] Re: Memory and reputation calculation
From: MULLER Guillaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:33:39 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Right, I would have cited Dellarocas' papers also because he is the only=20 one I know that worked on this subject. However, IMHO, his claim that size of history doesn't matter is false.=20 He took this conclusion in very a specific domain that is eBay-like=20 market-places with very specific assumption (cf. cited paper). My idea is that size of history DOES matter. Let's imagine a system=20 (even eBay-like) where every agent *knows* that the history is a list of=20 the X last encounters experiences. Then it is easy to see that cheating=20 1/X times is a strategy that pays off (particularly in systems where=20 ratings might be noisy). IMHO, the key point with respect to the history is that others should=20 not be able guess its size. If it has a fixed size, I believe it doesn't=20 matter if (and only if) other can guess its size (and therefore cannot=20 use strategy as described above). However, I'm sorry I didn't have time to make any experimentations, but=20 I'd like to hear if anybody has. (1) You'll never eliminate cheating. (2) Making the size of the history file a secret is probably unworkable. Better to make deletion from the history non-deterministic, so the longer a record has been been in the list the more likely it is to get dropped. A potential cheater would never be certain when the incriminating evidence would be gone. If which records were disreputable was known then their lifetime could be extended. cheers, Tim
Re: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
--- R.W. (Bob) Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Thompson wrote: [assholes] You tell them, Steve I believe I just did. Insanity is a great cover for an insurectionist! I suppose it could be, although I am give to belive that residents of the White Room Hotel may only carry out insurection in the program room, and even then only while under direct adult supervision. I have been told that this makes the task somewhat more difficult, what with the sometimes necessity of colouring outside the lines on the page (so to speak). Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: punkly current events
On Dec 10 2004, Eugen Leitl wrote: | | Because nodes are not geographically constrained to US jurisdiction? | | If mixter won't survive, it's due to spammers, and malware spreaders. The latter statement my well be true, I don't use the network, nor know the ratios of good/bad traffic. But I am very curious to find out what would be considered geographically safe jurisdictions in this sense. Not just today, but given the general trend, where would you see such a jurisdition being found in a year or five or ten?
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
--- J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Steve Thompson wrote: snip one of the funniest posts in recent cpunk history (STANDING OVATION) (SOUNDS OF MANY HANDS CLAPPING) Thank you Steve, for that short but entertaining look into the dark recesses of our collective consciousness :-) That's what I'm here for. Now, perhaps we can get back to discussing issues with more direct relevance to cypherpunks? Regards, Steve __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: tangled context probe
Roy M. Silvernail wrote: R.W. (Bob) Erickson wrote: (curious thing about this spew, it keeps disappearing into the bit bucket, Yawn. Roboposting this babble doesn't really increase its chances of getting read. I work through JY because I know there's uranium in that ore. But I'm about 2 posts away from ensconcing RWBE in my procmail file next to TM, choate and proffr. OK, it was just an unknown context for me.. My sincere apologies for subjecting you to a decrease in signal to noise. I know that I have to work on my presentation. Without sufficient introduction anything new is indistinguishable from cracked pottery. The synthetic perspective I am toying with is built upon some premises from cogsci In my opinion there are real strategic implications in the modern scientific perception of the individual as a tangle of competing interests. Self interest is one of given principles. In so far as the self is a personal mythology, and the irrationality of sheep hood is built in, I think three could be policy implications. As to the crypto relevance: context Arranged signals can be anything at all. If you don't share the context of the communicators, you have no idea what they convey in their conversation about the whether. Once again, I plead stupidity for the duplicates I will do penance --bob
Re: Word Of the Subgenius...
At 11:21 AM 12/9/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, May seemed to try to make the case that all of those useles eaters were in large part responsible for the very existence of the state, and that collapse of the state meant the inevitable downfall of huge numbers of minorities (why he focused on them as opposed to white trailer trash I don't know). But he was definitely advocating that racist viewpoints fall naturally out of a crypto-anarchic approach. Tyler: A rational person has to admit that many parasitic folks of all albedos are able to exist because they occupy a govt-funded niche. Without a welfare govt, those people would either 1. subsist on private (ie voluntary) charity, 2. become useful by necessity 3. die of starvation 4. die during attempts to coerce others with violence. Depending on your beliefs about human demographics/nature, you will assign variable percentages to these outcomes. It *is* racist to think that genotypes in each bin will differ *IFF* you *don't* ascribe this outcome to culture associated with genotypes. But culturism is not racism, its recognition of how behavior and evolution work. I subscribe to and will defend culturism. (I speak for myself, not TM (tm), though I may or may not be a duly appointed pope of the church of strong cryptography; though recently I've been trending towards being an Earthquaker, who believes in tectonics, esp. during seismic events. Our vatican is in Parkfield BTW :-)
Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving
At 07:47 PM 12/9/04 -0800, Joseph Ashwood wrote: If the Klan doesn't have a right to wear pillowcases what makes you think mixmaster will survive? Well besides the misinterprettaion of the ruling, which I will ignore, what makes you think MixMaster isn't already dead? OK, substitute wardriving email injection when wardriving is otherwise legal for Mixmastering, albeit the former is less secure since the injection lat/long is known. And you need to use a disposable Wifi card or at least one with a mutable MAC. Or consider a Napster-level popular app which includes mixing or onion routing.
CodeCon CFP deadline nearing
CodeCon 4.0 February 11-13, 2005 San Francisco CA, USA www.codecon.org Call For Papers CodeCon is the premier showcase of cutting edge software development. It is an excellent opportunity for programmers to demonstrate their work and keep abreast of what's going on in their community. All presentations must include working demonstrations, ideally accompanied by source code. Presenters must be done by one of the active developers of the code in question. We emphasize that demonstrations be of *working* code. We hereby solicit papers and demonstrations. * Papers and proposals due: December 15, 2004 * Authors notified: January 1, 2005 Possible topics include, but are by no means restricted to: * community-based web sites - forums, weblogs, personals * development tools - languages, debuggers, version control * file sharing systems - swarming distribution, distributed search * security products - mail encryption, intrusion detection, firewalls Presentations will be a 45 minutes long, with 15 minutes allocated for QA. Overruns will be truncated. Submission details: Submissions are being accepted immediately. Acceptance dates are November 15, and December 15. After the first acceptance date, submissions will be either accepted, rejected, or deferred to the second acceptance date. The conference language is English. Ideally, demonstrations should be usable by attendees with 802.11b connected devices either via a web interface, or locally on Windows, UNIX-like, or MacOS platforms. Cross-platform applications are most desirable. Our venue will be 21+. To submit, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] including the following information: * Project name * url of project home page * tagline - one sentence or less summing up what the project does * names of presenter(s) and urls of their home pages, if they have any * one-paragraph bios of presenters, optional, under 100 words each * project history, under 150 words * what will be done in the project demo, under 200 words * slides to be shown during the presentation, if applicable * future plans General Chairs: Jonathan Moore, Len Sassaman Program Chair: Bram Cohen Program Committee: * Jeremy Bornstein, AtomShockwave Corp., USA * Bram Cohen, BitTorrent, USA * Jered Floyd, Permabit, USA * Ian Goldberg, Zero-Knowledge Systems, CA * Dan Kaminsky, Avaya, USA * Klaus Kursawe, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, BE * Ben Laurie, A.L. Digital Ltd., UK * David Molnar, University of California, Berkeley, USA * Jonathan Moore, Mosuki, USA * Len Sassaman, Nomen Abditum Services, USA Sponsorship: If your organization is interested in sponsoring CodeCon, we would love to hear from you. In particular, we are looking for sponsors for social meals and parties on any of the three days of the conference, as well as sponsors of the conference as a whole and donors of door prizes. If you might be interested in sponsoring any of these aspects, please contact the conference organizers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press policy: CodeCon provides a limited number of passes to bona fide press. Complimentary press passes will be evaluated on request. Everyone is welcome to pay the low registration fee to attend without an official press credential. Questions: If you have questions about CodeCon, or would like to contact the organizers, please mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note this address is only for questions and administrative requests, and not for workshop presentation submissions.
RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages
From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Dec 9, 2004 1:19 PM To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages . As recently as two years ago, I had a classroom full of cops (mostly fedz from various well-known alphabets) who knew *nothing* about stego. And I mean *NOTHING*. They got a pretty shallow intro: here's a picture, and here's the secret message inside it, followed by an hour of theory and how-to's using the simplest of tools - every single one of them was just blown away. Actually, that's not true - the Postal Inspectors were bored, but everyone _else_ was floored. But the real thing they needed to know was there can be hidden information in files that look innocent and what they need to do to find that hidden information. I expect the answer to that will involve either shipping it off to some expert at the FBI (who will have to do some serious flow control, or he'll be receiving copies of all the video games on every small-time drug dealer's computer), or running some tools to look for the hidden data. It's not like you're going to expect a random detective to learn how to cryptanalyze stego schemes, anymore than you're going to expect him to learn how to check for DNA matches in a lab. He'll need to have some notion of how the technology works, and some rules of thumb for how to handle the evidence to keep from tainting it, and that's about it. J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF --John From jeff Sat Dec 11 15:47:34 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Sat Dec 11 07:47:34 2004 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:47:34 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx95.postini.com ([64.18.0.83] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cd9T4-0007Tv-00 for archive@jab.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:47:34 -0800 Received: from source ([205.217.113.11]) by exprod5mx95.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:50:06 PST Received: from m18.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.81] by mail.bestware.biz (SMTPD32-8.01) id A78E6410100; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:51:42 -0600 Received: from m18.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m18.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABA5YFY8AKW4ZCJ for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sender [EMAIL PROTECTED]); Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:48:46 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: az9YdFY2ee3SNysnJfolq2KJwZepwCZSitJgWH7+UviVe4JGcGTL7Q== Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by m18.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KEK35MH9; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 07:48:33 PST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:43:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_3805.778b.2e05 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 7-6,7,9-61,63-71,73-78,79-32767 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-ContentStamp: 15:7:4214601920 Precedence: bulk Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.9/99.9 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:92.8780 C:99.7951 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.64 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. __JNP_000_3805.778b.2e05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:19:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 12/10/2004 11:31:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Sorry about that. I'm very frustrated right now. It's not you... || ..Not a good time of the year for heartache. John -- Well, today has been a sad ol' lonesome day Yeah, today has been a sad ol' lonesome day I'm just sittin' here thinking With my mind a million miles away Well, they're doing the double shuffle, throwin' sand on the floor They're doing the double shuffle, they're throwin' sand on the floor When I left my long-time darlin' She was standing in the door Well, my pa he died and left me, my brother got killed in the war Well, my pa he died and left me, my brother got killed in the war My sister, she ran off and got married Never was heard of any more Samantha Brown lived in my house for about four or five months Samantha Brown lived in my house for about four or five months Don't know how it looked to other people I never slept with her even once Well, the road's washed out - weather not fit for man or beast Yeah the road's washed out - weather not fit for man or beast Funny, how the things you have the hardest time parting
