Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* Anders Lund  [03-14-18 17:08]:
> onsdag den 14. marts 2018 21.24.43 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 15:23]:
> > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.37.49 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 10:31]:
> > > > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.07.00 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 09:21]:
> > > > > > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > > > > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > > > > > > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even
> > > > > > > > > starts in
> > > > > > > > > broken
> > > > > > > > > configueration.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode
> > > > > > > > > > (modules
> > > > > > > > > > hidden),
> > > > > > > > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not
> > > > > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > show
> > > > > > > > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone
> > > > > > > > > > else
> > > > > > > > > > experiencing this?
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Kindly,
> > > > > > > > > > Anders
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org>
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > __
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > where did you get dt?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > build or install from ...?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > archlinux, using pacman
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous
> > > > > > > > build?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that
> > > > > > > > newer?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and
> > > > > > > > config
> > > > > > > > files?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable
> > > > > > > information. I
> > > > > > > believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can
> > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > you don't need to make changes to your system.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir
> > > > > >   /dev/null
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --library :memory:
> > > > > >   darktable --help
> > > > 
> > > > did you try:  darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null
> > > > --library> > 
> > > > :memory:
> > > I can try that, although as said I am not sure how to reproduce the
> > > problem, it comes and goes.
> > 
> > warning, --library :memory: does not save you image setting to the
> > database and does not alter your database.  it does save the image changes
> > into the .xmp files and you can get the changes into your database
> > by importing the images w/o the above commandline parameters.
> > 
> > if you use the above commandline for a while and don't have the problem,
> > you have narrowed the scope of the problem.  to affect a
> > solution/resolution, it is necessary to change your workflow to try to
> > determine where/what the problem is, as no-one has acknowledged that they
> > have this problem.
> > 
> > if you don't want to try different things, we are wasting time trying to
> > help you.
> > 
> > > > > > > I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then
> > > > > > > report
> > > > > > > that so it can be tested.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works,
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > problem I found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > which "config file"?
> > > 
> > > I haven't studied dt's use of config files in detail. But I am sure it
> > > saves configuration, since it normally remembers all my settings,
> > > presets, history and window state just fine - something that I really
> > > appreciates :)> 
> > > > > > doesn't that make you believe you might have a system problem, dt
> > > > > > working
> > > > > > on the system you "moved" to?
> > > > > 
> > > > > It is exactly the same as the one I had. Plain archlinux.
> > > > 
> > > > either you don't understand the question or I fail to understand the
> > > >

Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* Anders Lund  [03-14-18 17:14]:
> onsdag den 14. marts 2018 21.57.48 CET skrev Michael Rasmussen:
> > On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 21:51:49 +0100
> > 
> > Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> 
> > To the DT developers: What we kind off narrowed the Arch problem down
> > to is that whenever Arch makes major upgrades of libc and glib the
> > transition between old and new versions sometimes is not consistent
> > across all libraries resulting in missing runtime references til
> > libraries. ldd is your friend ;-)
> 
> I think that is a plausible thought. I have used arch for many years with 
> very 
> few problems, but libc/glib updates may well be connected to some the few 
> ones 
> I have had.
> 
> My current glibc package is built at jan. 17 2018.

fwiw, mine on openSUSE Tw,
  glibc-2.27-2.1.x86_64
  Wed 07 Mar 2018 07:00:00 AM EST

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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Anders Lund 
onsdag den 14. marts 2018 21.57.48 CET skrev Michael Rasmussen:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 21:51:49 +0100
> 
> Michael Rasmussen  wrote:

> To the DT developers: What we kind off narrowed the Arch problem down
> to is that whenever Arch makes major upgrades of libc and glib the
> transition between old and new versions sometimes is not consistent
> across all libraries resulting in missing runtime references til
> libraries. ldd is your friend ;-)

I think that is a plausible thought. I have used arch for many years with very 
few problems, but libc/glib updates may well be connected to some the few ones 
I have had.

My current glibc package is built at jan. 17 2018.

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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Anders Lund 
onsdag den 14. marts 2018 21.24.43 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 15:23]:
> > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.37.49 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 10:31]:
> > > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.07.00 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 09:21]:
> > > > > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > > > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > > > > > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even
> > > > > > > > starts in
> > > > > > > > broken
> > > > > > > > configueration.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > > > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode
> > > > > > > > > (modules
> > > > > > > > > hidden),
> > > > > > > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not
> > > > > > > > > able
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > show
> > > > > > > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone
> > > > > > > > > else
> > > > > > > > > experiencing this?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Kindly,
> > > > > > > > > Anders
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org>
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > __
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > __ darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > where did you get dt?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > build or install from ...?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > archlinux, using pacman
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous
> > > > > > > build?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that
> > > > > > > newer?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and
> > > > > > > config
> > > > > > > files?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable
> > > > > > information. I
> > > > > > believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can
> > > > > > happen.
> > > > > 
> > > > > you don't need to make changes to your system.
> > > > > 
> > > > >   darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir
> > > > >   /dev/null
> > > > > 
> > > > > --library :memory:
> > > > >   darktable --help
> > > 
> > > did you try:  darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null
> > > --library> > 
> > > :memory:
> > I can try that, although as said I am not sure how to reproduce the
> > problem, it comes and goes.
> 
> warning, --library :memory: does not save you image setting to the
> database and does not alter your database.  it does save the image changes
> into the .xmp files and you can get the changes into your database
> by importing the images w/o the above commandline parameters.
> 
> if you use the above commandline for a while and don't have the problem,
> you have narrowed the scope of the problem.  to affect a
> solution/resolution, it is necessary to change your workflow to try to
> determine where/what the problem is, as no-one has acknowledged that they
> have this problem.
> 
> if you don't want to try different things, we are wasting time trying to
> help you.
> 
> > > > > > I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then
> > > > > > report
> > > > > > that so it can be tested.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works,
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > problem I found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.
> > > > > 
> > > > > which "config file"?
> > 
> > I haven't studied dt's use of config files in detail. But I am sure it
> > saves configuration, since it normally remembers all my settings,
> > presets, history and window state just fine - something that I really
> > appreciates :)> 
> > > > > doesn't that make you believe you might have a system problem, dt
> > > > > working
> > > > > on the system you "moved" to?
> > > > 
> > > > It is exactly the same as the one I had. Plain archlinux.
> > > 
> > > either you don't understand the question or I fail to understand the
> > > answer.
> > > 
> > > which "config file" did you move and what do you mean "between systems"?
> > > the answer you give does not help with either.
> > 
> > I had a HP Elitebook 2560p, which had an error, so I sent it in for
> > repair.
> > They gave me another one (same model), so I

Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Michael Rasmussen 
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 21:51:49 +0100
Michael Rasmussen  wrote:

> I am core developer of another open source project - Claws Mail, where
> we have also had reports lately of strange errors. The common
> denominator for all the users reporting those strange problems was that
> they were all using Arch Linux.
> 
To the DT developers: What we kind off narrowed the Arch problem down
to is that whenever Arch makes major upgrades of libc and glib the
transition between old and new versions sometimes is not consistent
across all libraries resulting in missing runtime references til
libraries. ldd is your friend ;-)

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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Michael Rasmussen 
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:27:49 +0100
Anders Lund  wrote:

> 
> It is exactly the same as the one I had. Plain archlinux.
> 
I am core developer of another open source project - Claws Mail, where
we have also had reports lately of strange errors. The common
denominator for all the users reporting those strange problems was that
they were all using Arch Linux.

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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* Anders Lund  [03-14-18 15:23]:
> onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.37.49 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 10:31]:
> > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.07.00 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 09:21]:
> > > > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > > > > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in
> > > > > > > broken
> > > > > > > configueration.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode
> > > > > > > > (modules
> > > > > > > > hidden),
> > > > > > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > show
> > > > > > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone
> > > > > > > > else
> > > > > > > > experiencing this?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Kindly,
> > > > > > > > Anders
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org>
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > __
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > __ darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > where did you get dt?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > build or install from ...?
> > > > > 
> > > > > archlinux, using pacman
> > > > > 
> > > > > > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that
> > > > > > newer?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config
> > > > > > files?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable
> > > > > information. I
> > > > > believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can happen.
> > > > 
> > > > you don't need to make changes to your system.
> > > > 
> > > >   darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir
> > > >   /dev/null
> > > > 
> > > > --library :memory:
> > > >   darktable --help
> > 
> > did you try:  darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --library
> > :memory:
> 
> I can try that, although as said I am not sure how to reproduce the problem, 
> it comes and goes.


warning, --library :memory: does not save you image setting to the
database and does not alter your database.  it does save the image changes
into the .xmp files and you can get the changes into your database
by importing the images w/o the above commandline parameters.

if you use the above commandline for a while and don't have the problem,
you have narrowed the scope of the problem.  to affect a
solution/resolution, it is necessary to change your workflow to try to
determine where/what the problem is, as no-one has acknowledged that they
have this problem.

if you don't want to try different things, we are wasting time trying to
help you.
 
> > > > > I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then
> > > > > report
> > > > > that so it can be tested.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works, only
> > > > > problem I found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.
> > > > 
> > > > which "config file"?
> 
> I haven't studied dt's use of config files in detail. But I am sure it saves 
> configuration, since it normally remembers all my settings, presets, history 
> and window state just fine - something that I really appreciates :)
> 
> > > > 
> > > > doesn't that make you believe you might have a system problem, dt
> > > > working
> > > > on the system you "moved" to?
> > > 
> > > It is exactly the same as the one I had. Plain archlinux.
> > 
> > either you don't understand the question or I fail to understand the
> > answer.
> > 
> > which "config file" did you move and what do you mean "between systems"?
> > the answer you give does not help with either.
> 
> I had a HP Elitebook 2560p, which had an error, so I sent it in for repair. 
> They gave me another one (same model), so I installed archlinux on it, and 
> restored my homedir from a backup. In general, all my software works as 
> before, including dt, which remembers my collection history, presets etc.

I didn't know what you referred when you said system, you didn't tell
those facts, and my crystal ball is in repair.
 
> My DE is Plasma, but why/how would that affect dt, and why would it'saffect 
> suddenly change? I have run

Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Anders Lund 
onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.37.49 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 10:31]:
> > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.07.00 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 09:21]:
> > > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > > > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in
> > > > > > broken
> > > > > > configueration.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode
> > > > > > > (modules
> > > > > > > hidden),
> > > > > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > show
> > > > > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone
> > > > > > > else
> > > > > > > experiencing this?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Kindly,
> > > > > > > Anders
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > __
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > __ darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > > > > 
> > > > > where did you get dt?
> > > > > 
> > > > > build or install from ...?
> > > > 
> > > > archlinux, using pacman
> > > > 
> > > > > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?
> > > > > 
> > > > > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that
> > > > > newer?
> > > > > 
> > > > > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config
> > > > > files?
> > > > 
> > > > Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable
> > > > information. I
> > > > believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can happen.
> > > 
> > > you don't need to make changes to your system.
> > > 
> > >   darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir
> > >   /dev/null
> > > 
> > > --library :memory:
> > >   darktable --help
> 
> did you try:  darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --library
> :memory:

I can try that, although as said I am not sure how to reproduce the problem, 
it comes and goes.

> > > > I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then
> > > > report
> > > > that so it can be tested.
> > > > 
> > > > I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works, only
> > > > problem I found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.
> > > 
> > > which "config file"?

I haven't studied dt's use of config files in detail. But I am sure it saves 
configuration, since it normally remembers all my settings, presets, history 
and window state just fine - something that I really appreciates :)

> > > 
> > > doesn't that make you believe you might have a system problem, dt
> > > working
> > > on the system you "moved" to?
> > 
> > It is exactly the same as the one I had. Plain archlinux.
> 
> either you don't understand the question or I fail to understand the
> answer.
> 
> which "config file" did you move and what do you mean "between systems"?
> the answer you give does not help with either.

I had a HP Elitebook 2560p, which had an error, so I sent it in for repair. 
They gave me another one (same model), so I installed archlinux on it, and 
restored my homedir from a backup. In general, all my software works as 
before, including dt, which remembers my collection history, presets etc.

My DE is Plasma, but why/how would that affect dt, and why would it'saffect 
suddenly change? I have run dt for years.

I do not think the problem comes from the system change. 

Kindly,
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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* Anders Lund  [03-14-18 10:31]:
> onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.07.00 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 09:21]:
> > > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in
> > > > > broken
> > > > > configueration.
> > > > > 
> > > > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules
> > > > > > hidden),
> > > > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to
> > > > > > show
> > > > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> > > > > > experiencing this?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Kindly,
> > > > > > Anders
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
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> > > > > 
> > > > > __
> > > > > 
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> > > > 
> > > > where did you get dt?
> > > > 
> > > > build or install from ...?
> > > 
> > > archlinux, using pacman
> > > 
> > > > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?
> > > > 
> > > > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that newer?
> > > > 
> > > > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config files?
> > > 
> > > Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable information. I
> > > believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can happen.
> > 
> > you don't need to make changes to your system.
> >   darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir /dev/null 
> > --library :memory:
> > 
> >   darktable --help



did you try:  darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --library 
:memory:



> > > I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then report
> > > that so it can be tested.
> > > 
> > > I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works, only
> > > problem I found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.
> > 
> > which "config file"?
> > 
> > doesn't that make you believe you might have a system problem, dt working
> > on the system you "moved" to?
> 
> It is exactly the same as the one I had. Plain archlinux.



either you don't understand the question or I fail to understand the
answer.

which "config file" did you move and what do you mean "between systems"?  
the answer you give does not help with either.



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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Pascal Obry 
Le mercredi 14 mars 2018 à 15:27 +0100, Anders Lund a écrit :
> It is exactly the same as the one I had. Plain archlinux.

What is your DE?

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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Anders Lund 
onsdag den 14. marts 2018 15.07.00 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 09:21]:
> > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in
> > > > broken
> > > > configueration.
> > > > 
> > > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > 
> > > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules
> > > > > hidden),
> > > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to
> > > > > show
> > > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> > > > > experiencing this?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kindly,
> > > > > Anders
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org>
> > > > 
> > > > __
> > > > 
> > > > __ darktable user mailing list
> > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > > 
> > > where did you get dt?
> > > 
> > > build or install from ...?
> > 
> > archlinux, using pacman
> > 
> > > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?
> > > 
> > > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that newer?
> > > 
> > > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config files?
> > 
> > Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable information. I
> > believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can happen.
> 
> you don't need to make changes to your system.
>   darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir /dev/null 
> --library :memory:
> 
>   darktable --help
> 
> > I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then report
> > that so it can be tested.
> > 
> > I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works, only
> > problem I found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.
> 
> which "config file"?
> 
> doesn't that make you believe you might have a system problem, dt working
> on the system you "moved" to?

It is exactly the same as the one I had. Plain archlinux.




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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* Patrick Shanahan  [03-14-18 10:09]:
> * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 09:21]:
> > onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in 
> > > > broken
> > > > configueration.
> > > > 
> > > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > > Hi list,
> > > > > 
> > > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules
> > > > > hidden),
> > > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to 
> > > > > show
> > > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> > > > > experiencing this?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kindly,
> > > > > Anders
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> 
> > > > __
> > > > __ darktable user mailing list
> > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > > where did you get dt?
> > > 
> > > build or install from ...?
> > 
> > archlinux, using pacman
> > 
> > > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?
> > > 
> > > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that newer?
> > > 
> > > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config files?
> > 
> > Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable information. I 
> > believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can happen.
> 
> you don't need to make changes to your system.
>   darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir /dev/null  
> --library :memory:


remove "--datadir /dev/null" from above line.

 
>   darktable --help
> 
>  
> > I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then report 
> > that so 
> > it can be tested.
> > 
> > I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works, only 
> > problem I 
> > found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.
> 
> which "config file"?
> 
> doesn't that make you believe you might have a system problem, dt working
> on the system you "moved" to?
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* Anders Lund  [03-14-18 09:21]:
> onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> > * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in broken
> > > configueration.
> > > 
> > > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > > Hi list,
> > > > 
> > > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules
> > > > hidden),
> > > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to show
> > > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> > > > experiencing this?
> > > > 
> > > > Kindly,
> > > > Anders
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> 
> > > __
> > > __ darktable user mailing list
> > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > where did you get dt?
> > 
> > build or install from ...?
> 
> archlinux, using pacman
> 
> > if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?
> > 
> > if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that newer?
> > 
> > have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config files?
> 
> Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable information. I 
> believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can happen.

you don't need to make changes to your system.
  darktable --cachedir /dev/null --configdir /dev/null --datadir /dev/null  
--library :memory:

  darktable --help

 
> I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then report that 
> so 
> it can be tested.
> 
> I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works, only problem 
> I 
> found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.

which "config file"?

doesn't that make you believe you might have a system problem, dt working
on the system you "moved" to?

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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Anders Lund 
onsdag den 14. marts 2018 14.11.24 CET skrev Patrick Shanahan:
> * Anders Lund  [03-14-18 08:37]:
> > This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in broken
> > configueration.
> > 
> > mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > > Hi list,
> > > 
> > > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules
> > > hidden),
> > > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to show
> > > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> > > experiencing this?
> > > 
> > > Kindly,
> > > Anders
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  darktable user mailing list
> > > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> 
> > __
> > __ darktable user mailing list
> > to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> where did you get dt?
> 
> build or install from ...?

archlinux, using pacman

> if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?
> 
> if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that newer?
> 
> have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config files?

Well, I can back up. But my configuration contains valuable information. I 
believe that there is some misbehavior in dt, since this can happen.

I could try to find a way to make this happen reliably, and then report that so 
it can be tested.

I did move my config file between systems, and it mostly works, only problem I 
found is that some watermark files seems to be missing.

Kindly,
Anders



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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan 
* Anders Lund  [03-14-18 08:37]:
> This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in broken 
> configueration.
> 
> mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> > Hi list,
> > 
> > When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules hidden),
> > lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to show
> > modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> > experiencing this?
> > 
> > Kindly,
> > Anders
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > darktable user mailing list
> > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> darktable user mailing list
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where did you get dt?

build or install from ...?

if you built it, did you clear/clean completely your previous build?

if you used Bruno Pagani's build, he updated 10 March.  is that newer?

have you considered starting dt w/o your current cache and config files?


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Re: [darktable-user] Lighttable problem

2018-03-14 Thread Anders Lund 
This is becoming a serious problem. Today darktable even starts in broken 
configueration.

mandag den 12. marts 2018 22.18.11 CET skrev Anders Lund:
> Hi list,
> 
> When switching to lighttable from darkroom in tabbed mode (modules hidden),
> lighttable sometimes appears in tabbed mode too, but is not able to show
> modules by pressing tab. This is really inconvenient. Anyone else
> experiencing this?
> 
> Kindly,
> Anders
> 
> 
> 
> darktable user mailing list
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