Re: [darktable-user] Raw only?
I have a style for the lens in my RAW shots and have a style to get to a starting point that I apply to both my RAW shots and JPGs shot from my phone. DT works fine for both! Chas G wrote: > In a current thread, someone asked, "If you are more satisfied with the > in-camera jpg, why are you > bothering with dt and why are you shooting raw?" > > I know that a raw file can offer more data, and that darktable is thought of > mainly as a raw converter. My > take is that darktable can - and should - be thought of as an image editor > that happens to be able to > work with raw files. > > The large majority of images I use darktable on are jpgs from a cell phone. I > do have a Nikon DSLR and > and can shoot raw, but I frequently do not have the big camera with me. > > Top line cell phones produce shockingly good images nowadays - at least when > the lack of a short lens or > a long lens is not a problem. The old maxim that the best camera you have for > a particular situation is > the one you happen to have with you is still true. I have the cell phone with > me more than I have a > professional camera. > > If I never shot another raw again in my life, that would not change my view > of darktable as the first > choice in image editors. The speed, power, and fluidity of work via darktable > appear unmatched. > > I'm not picking on the comment or the commenter. Far from it. It just happens > to give me the chance to > address a notion that deserves a wider audience, that darktable, as an > editing tool, is bigger and more > powerful than is generally advertised. Darktable is the best editor out > there. Not just for raw files. > > > darktable user mailing list to > unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > = > > > Alternatives: > > -- Bill Wohler aka http://www.newt.com/wohler/, GnuPG ID:610BD9AD darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with special software
Hi All, I can not comment on specific MAC computers as I claim to be allergic to them, but I teach DT to students and many students have MAC computers and DT works fine on them. I am yet to have a student who could not get DT working on the MAC. On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 01:40, Remco Viëtor wrote: > On mercredi 12 janvier 2022 14:17:47 CET Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote: > (...) > > > > > > > > I didn’t download the latest version yet. Will it work on M1 Macs? The > > installation notes say that Intel is required – can that be it? I can > > hardly believe but I just needed to ask. > > > > Well, better believe it. Darktable is developed by unpaid volunteers, who > work > on what they want to work on *within the possibilities of available > hardware*. > > In order to get dt to work on M1 Macs, a developer has to have access to > one > of those machines, and be willing to make the effort to port dt to it. > Apple > is particularly unpleasant for this, as programs need to be signed and > notarised by Apple, which requires at least one of the developers to > register > for 100$/year. (Strictly speaking, you can get an unsigned application to > work, but it's not fun for the end user...) > > Remco > > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > -- Dr Terry Pinfold Cytometry & Histology Lab Manager Lecturer in Flow Cytometry University of Tasmania 17 Liverpool St, Hobart, 7000 Ph 6226 4846 or 0408 699053 darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Imported images are always way too dark
HI Bertwin, the very benefit and dare I say joy of working a RAW file is that you are in charge of the whole process. One of my first adjustments that that I need to do is to the exposure slider to give the desired starting point. I then go to filmic and set the relative white and black exposure sliders to get the desired effect. BTW, I find the eyedroppers often , but not always, do a great job of setting this for me. Please don't see this step of having to adjust the exposure as a flaw. Rather see it as control. I am surprised that your camera is so far off from the JPG. I process images from many cameras including my nikon D7100 and I don't see this issue. However, one little quirk is that I bracket my exposures most of the time and usually want to process the brightest exposure without clipping of the highlights (to reduce noise and increase shadow detail), but the scene referred processing automatically counteracts my in camera exposure compensation. This makes the three images look nearly identical and forces me to look at the exposure settings to work out which is which. I feel if I used camera compensation, I had a reason for it and want it retained. DT takes some getting used to, because it is not trying to simply be a free version of Lightroom or any other program, but instead is a total paradigm shift in processing images. Also learn how to create styles in DT. By creating a style you can apply any number of corrections to the image to get to the initial starting point for processing. This may include in your case an exposure adjustment, denoising, sharpening, lens correction or whatever you want. You can create different styles for landscapes in sunshine, landscapes with overcast days, portraits, high ISO images or whatever suits your needs. This is similar to picture styles in the camera, but they are your artistic creation. Without having one of your picture files to open in DT, I am unsure why your images are so dark as my Nikon D7100 images and all the other cameras I use do not suffer this. Enjoy learning DT. It is worth the effort. Watch some videos and bookmark the user guide for reference when learning the different modules. On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 01:42, bwh vanBeest wrote: > Thanks for all the reactions to my posting. I initially thought something > was wrong with my camera-DT-combination, but now I learned otherwise. I > have now learned what to do. Still, somehow it is unsatisfactory that a > picture of which you know is exposed correctly is initially displayed in DT > as underexposed. > > Regards > Bertwim > > On 12/01/2022 12:41 PM Remco Viëtor wrote: > > > > > > On mercredi 12 janvier 2022 12:08:08 CET Frank J. wrote: > > > Am 10.01.22 um 22:12 schrieb bwh vanBeest: > > > > Hi, > > > > When I import a series of images straight from the camera (Nikon > > > > D850, Nikon nef format) in Darktable (scene-referred workflow), the > > > > images invariably show up as way too dark, as if they are > > > > underexposed. The histogram shows a big unexposed part on the > > > > highlights. I am pretty sure though that when I took the pictures the > > > > exposure is about right (according to the camera histogram). The > > > > camera-generated jpg is also ok. > > > > What can be the cause of this and what can I do about it? > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Bertwim > > > > > > Same effect here. > > > > > > I use Olympus-cameras, RAW only, correction +/- 0 EV in the Camera. > > > > > > After importing in DT the default in module "exposure" is "+0.5 EV" but > > > this is too dark for nearly all pictures. > > > > > > I need to use a correction between +1.5 and +2.5 EV for the best look. > > > > > > This is not new in DT 3.8 but in 3.6 (or 3.4?) with the change to > > > scene-referred workflow. > > > > > > I never compared with camera JPG. > > > > > > Frank > > You have two effects here: one is the exposure of the middle gray parts > of > > your image (the one that "exposure" works on), the other is the tone > curve > > applied by the camera. That tonecurve can add quite a bit of midtone > contrast, > > limiting the room available for shadows and highlights, and also > increase the > > apparent exposure a bit (to "protect" the shadows). That tone curve is > > replaced by filmic, which tends to be softer/more delicate with the > shadows > > and the highlights. > > > > The correction you need to apply in exposure seems to depend on the > camera > > brand, I find I need to add about 1-1.5 EV for my Sony. > > > > Remco > > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >
Re: [darktable-user] Moving Images
* David Vincent-Jones [01-12-22 15:47]: > Yes, the image is in the parent folder but the version is not ... > > How should I best move the version (.xmp file) ? > > On 2022-01-12 12:31, Bernhard wrote: > > > > > > David Vincent-Jones schrieb am 12.01.22 um 20:03: > > > > > > I have a sub-folder that contains a single 'test' image. At the end > > > of the test period I am trying to move this single image up into the > > > parent-folder. This should of course delete the sub-folder later. > > > > > > The single image fails to move despite all of the confirmations > > > looking OK. > > > > > > Can anybody else see such a problem? > > > > > > dt=3.9.0+89~gd1db50c361/Manjaro/Arch/XFCE > > > > > please check (in file manager) if the image is already in the parent > > folder (by some circumstance). > > If so moving it from the subfolder will fail ... > > use dt to move the image provide the directory/file paths and permissions it is a guessing game when you provide no or little information -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times... darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Moving Images
* David Vincent-Jones [01-12-22 14:07]: > I have a sub-folder that contains a single 'test' image. At the end of the > test period I am trying to move this single image up into the parent-folder. > This should of course delete the sub-folder later. > > The single image fails to move despite all of the confirmations looking OK. > > Can anybody else see such a problem? > > dt=3.9.0+89~gd1db50c361/Manjaro/Arch/XFCE are permissions or owner a problem? ls -la /// ls -la -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times... darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Moving Images
Yes, the image is in the parent folder but the version is not ... How should I best move the version (.xmp file) ? On 2022-01-12 12:31, Bernhard wrote: David Vincent-Jones schrieb am 12.01.22 um 20:03: I have a sub-folder that contains a single 'test' image. At the end of the test period I am trying to move this single image up into the parent-folder. This should of course delete the sub-folder later. The single image fails to move despite all of the confirmations looking OK. Can anybody else see such a problem? dt=3.9.0+89~gd1db50c361/Manjaro/Arch/XFCE please check (in file manager) if the image is already in the parent folder (by some circumstance). If so moving it from the subfolder will fail ... darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Moving Images
David Vincent-Jones schrieb am 12.01.22 um 20:03: I have a sub-folder that contains a single 'test' image. At the end of the test period I am trying to move this single image up into the parent-folder. This should of course delete the sub-folder later. The single image fails to move despite all of the confirmations looking OK. Can anybody else see such a problem? dt=3.9.0+89~gd1db50c361/Manjaro/Arch/XFCE please check (in file manager) if the image is already in the parent folder (by some circumstance). If so moving it from the subfolder will fail ... -- regards Bernhard https://www.bilddateien.de darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] Moving Images
I have a sub-folder that contains a single 'test' image. At the end of the test period I am trying to move this single image up into the parent-folder. This should of course delete the sub-folder later. The single image fails to move despite all of the confirmations looking OK. Can anybody else see such a problem? dt=3.9.0+89~gd1db50c361/Manjaro/Arch/XFCE darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Imported images are always way too dark
* bwh vanBeest [01-12-22 09:43]: > Thanks for all the reactions to my posting. I initially thought something was > wrong with my camera-DT-combination, but now I learned otherwise. I have now > learned what to do. Still, somehow it is unsatisfactory that a picture of > which you know is exposed correctly is initially displayed in DT as > underexposed. > > Regards > Bertwim > > On 12/01/2022 12:41 PM Remco Viëtor wrote: > > > > > > On mercredi 12 janvier 2022 12:08:08 CET Frank J. wrote: > > > Am 10.01.22 um 22:12 schrieb bwh vanBeest: > > > > Hi, > > > > When I import a series of images straight from the camera (Nikon > > > > D850, Nikon nef format) in Darktable (scene-referred workflow), the > > > > images invariably show up as way too dark, as if they are > > > > underexposed. The histogram shows a big unexposed part on the > > > > highlights. I am pretty sure though that when I took the pictures the > > > > exposure is about right (according to the camera histogram). The > > > > camera-generated jpg is also ok. > > > > What can be the cause of this and what can I do about it? > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Bertwim > > > > > > Same effect here. > > > > > > I use Olympus-cameras, RAW only, correction +/- 0 EV in the Camera. > > > > > > After importing in DT the default in module "exposure" is "+0.5 EV" but > > > this is too dark for nearly all pictures. > > > > > > I need to use a correction between +1.5 and +2.5 EV for the best look. > > > > > > This is not new in DT 3.8 but in 3.6 (or 3.4?) with the change to > > > scene-referred workflow. > > > > > > I never compared with camera JPG. > > > > > > Frank > > You have two effects here: one is the exposure of the middle gray parts of > > your image (the one that "exposure" works on), the other is the tone curve > > applied by the camera. That tonecurve can add quite a bit of midtone > > contrast, > > limiting the room available for shadows and highlights, and also increase > > the > > apparent exposure a bit (to "protect" the shadows). That tone curve is > > replaced by filmic, which tends to be softer/more delicate with the shadows > > and the highlights. > > > > The correction you need to apply in exposure seems to depend on the camera > > brand, I find I need to add about 1-1.5 EV for my Sony. > > > > Remco > > > > > > > > darktable user mailing list > > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org it is a simple adjustment to make it very close and not to have to worry about it and to find it unpleasant and have to complain about it. set up the automagic adjustment quit worrying about it. and all of live is full of these situations, many which cost you monies that darktable does not. smile and be happy. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times... darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Imported images are always way too dark
Thanks for all the reactions to my posting. I initially thought something was wrong with my camera-DT-combination, but now I learned otherwise. I have now learned what to do. Still, somehow it is unsatisfactory that a picture of which you know is exposed correctly is initially displayed in DT as underexposed. Regards Bertwim > On 12/01/2022 12:41 PM Remco Viëtor wrote: > > > On mercredi 12 janvier 2022 12:08:08 CET Frank J. wrote: > > Am 10.01.22 um 22:12 schrieb bwh vanBeest: > > > Hi, > > > When I import a series of images straight from the camera (Nikon > > > D850, Nikon nef format) in Darktable (scene-referred workflow), the > > > images invariably show up as way too dark, as if they are > > > underexposed. The histogram shows a big unexposed part on the > > > highlights. I am pretty sure though that when I took the pictures the > > > exposure is about right (according to the camera histogram). The > > > camera-generated jpg is also ok. > > > What can be the cause of this and what can I do about it? > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > Bertwim > > > > Same effect here. > > > > I use Olympus-cameras, RAW only, correction +/- 0 EV in the Camera. > > > > After importing in DT the default in module "exposure" is "+0.5 EV" but > > this is too dark for nearly all pictures. > > > > I need to use a correction between +1.5 and +2.5 EV for the best look. > > > > This is not new in DT 3.8 but in 3.6 (or 3.4?) with the change to > > scene-referred workflow. > > > > I never compared with camera JPG. > > > > Frank > You have two effects here: one is the exposure of the middle gray parts of > your image (the one that "exposure" works on), the other is the tone curve > applied by the camera. That tonecurve can add quite a bit of midtone > contrast, > limiting the room available for shadows and highlights, and also increase the > apparent exposure a bit (to "protect" the shadows). That tone curve is > replaced by filmic, which tends to be softer/more delicate with the shadows > and the highlights. > > The correction you need to apply in exposure seems to depend on the camera > brand, I find I need to add about 1-1.5 EV for my Sony. > > Remco > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with special software
On mercredi 12 janvier 2022 14:17:47 CET Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote: (...) > > > > I didn’t download the latest version yet. Will it work on M1 Macs? The > installation notes say that Intel is required – can that be it? I can > hardly believe but I just needed to ask. > Well, better believe it. Darktable is developed by unpaid volunteers, who work on what they want to work on *within the possibilities of available hardware*. In order to get dt to work on M1 Macs, a developer has to have access to one of those machines, and be willing to make the effort to port dt to it. Apple is particularly unpleasant for this, as programs need to be signed and notarised by Apple, which requires at least one of the developers to register for 100$/year. (Strictly speaking, you can get an unsigned application to work, but it's not fun for the end user...) Remco darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with special software
DT (official binary distribution) runs perfectly on Apple M1. On mine, since over a year now. Regards Andreas Herold > Am 12.01.2022 um 14:47 schrieb Michael Rasmussen : > > On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:17:47 +0100 > Hieke van Hoogdalem wrote: > >> >> I didn’t download the latest version yet. Will it work on M1 Macs? >> The installation notes say that Intel is required – can that be it? I >> can hardly believe but I just needed to ask. >> > You cannot run DT on M1 since M1 is an ARM based CPU. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M1 > > > -- > Hilsen/Regards > Michael Rasmussen > > Get my public GnuPG keys: > michael rasmussen cc > https://pgp.key-server.io/pks/lookup?search=0xD3C9A00E > mir datanom net > https://pgp.key-server.io/pks/lookup?search=0xE501F51C > mir miras org > https://pgp.key-server.io/pks/lookup?search=0xE3E80917 > -- > /usr/games/fortune -es says: > Practically perfect people never permit sentiment to muddle their > thinking. -- Mary Poppins darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] DT can't access files on external hdd with special software
Hi there, A few weeks ago we had a conversation about darktable on my Macbook Air (M1) not being able to see (let alone import) photos from my external HDD that I had created on my Windows laptop. The tip was: format it. The HDD is ntfs formatted so I bought and downloaded this license for ease of use and quickness: https://shop.paragon-software.com/277/?scope=checkout=226074=false=paragon2018. The installation seems to be done correctly (I got this on screen message saying something like ‘All you have to do now is restart your laptop and enjoy your ntfs files’). What else can I do to make this work? I didn’t download the latest version yet. Will it work on M1 Macs? The installation notes say that Intel is required – can that be it? I can hardly believe but I just needed to ask. Kind regards, Hieke van Hoogdalem darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Imported images are always way too dark
On mercredi 12 janvier 2022 12:08:08 CET Frank J. wrote: > Am 10.01.22 um 22:12 schrieb bwh vanBeest: > > Hi, > > When I import a series of images straight from the camera (Nikon > > D850, Nikon nef format) in Darktable (scene-referred workflow), the > > images invariably show up as way too dark, as if they are > > underexposed. The histogram shows a big unexposed part on the > > highlights. I am pretty sure though that when I took the pictures the > > exposure is about right (according to the camera histogram). The > > camera-generated jpg is also ok. > > What can be the cause of this and what can I do about it? > > > > Kind Regards, > > Bertwim > > Same effect here. > > I use Olympus-cameras, RAW only, correction +/- 0 EV in the Camera. > > After importing in DT the default in module "exposure" is "+0.5 EV" but > this is too dark for nearly all pictures. > > I need to use a correction between +1.5 and +2.5 EV for the best look. > > This is not new in DT 3.8 but in 3.6 (or 3.4?) with the change to > scene-referred workflow. > > I never compared with camera JPG. > > Frank You have two effects here: one is the exposure of the middle gray parts of your image (the one that "exposure" works on), the other is the tone curve applied by the camera. That tonecurve can add quite a bit of midtone contrast, limiting the room available for shadows and highlights, and also increase the apparent exposure a bit (to "protect" the shadows). That tone curve is replaced by filmic, which tends to be softer/more delicate with the shadows and the highlights. The correction you need to apply in exposure seems to depend on the camera brand, I find I need to add about 1-1.5 EV for my Sony. Remco darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Imported images are always way too dark
Am 10.01.22 um 22:12 schrieb bwh vanBeest: Hi, When I import a series of images straight from the camera (Nikon D850, Nikon nef format) in Darktable (scene-referred workflow), the images invariably show up as way too dark, as if they are underexposed. The histogram shows a big unexposed part on the highlights. I am pretty sure though that when I took the pictures the exposure is about right (according to the camera histogram). The camera-generated jpg is also ok. What can be the cause of this and what can I do about it? Kind Regards, Bertwim Same effect here. I use Olympus-cameras, RAW only, correction +/- 0 EV in the Camera. After importing in DT the default in module "exposure" is "+0.5 EV" but this is too dark for nearly all pictures. I need to use a correction between +1.5 and +2.5 EV for the best look. This is not new in DT 3.8 but in 3.6 (or 3.4?) with the change to scene-referred workflow. I never compared with camera JPG. Frank darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
