Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Hi Bernard, I too use the duplicates manager in the DT for the same reason as yourself. I like that you can name the duplicate to give it meaning. I also use snapshots to compare subtle editing options, especially when dealing with sharpening or noise reduction. I hope that in the future we will get the ability to rename the snapshots as I am forced to try to remember what each one is or to make notes on paper. You mention the Velvia module which I previously used to add colorfulness to images very carefully. I now use the color balance RGB module which has a preset called add basic colorfulness. I used this preset as a starting point to learn how the module could be effectively used to control chroma and saturation to produce the colourfulness I want in the images. I then made some presets of my own to suit my needs. It is an essential step in many of my edits now. Regards Terry On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 19:27, Bernhard wrote: > > > Terry Pinfold schrieb am 03.01.22 um 22:27: > > Then later when I get a new version of DT or my skills improve over the > years, I might have another attempt at editing the RAW file in the hope of > getting a better image. > For this I usually create a duplicate in darkroom and reset it's history > to start from scratch. Since the 3.x Versions I frequently do this with > older photos I need for a given purpose today and always find the new > result more appealing, especially the color shades are more subtle and not > like before some kind of sledgehammer Velvia. > And this way I only have a few more kB of storage for another XMP. > > -- > > regards > Bernhard > > https://www.bilddateien.de > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Terry Pinfold schrieb am 03.01.22 um 22:27: Then later when I get a new version of DT or my skills improve over the years, I might have another attempt at editing the RAW file in the hope of getting a better image. For this I usually create a duplicate in darkroom and reset it's history to start from scratch. Since the 3.x Versions I frequently do this with older photos I need for a given purpose today and always find the new result more appealing, especially the color shades are more subtle and not like before some kind of sledgehammer Velvia. And this way I only have a few more kB of storage for another XMP. -- regards Bernhard https://www.bilddateien.de darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
I thought I read that you cannot access photos processed in 3.6 if you upgrade to 3.8. Is this correct, or am I confused again? From: Terry Pinfold Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 3:04 PM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org ; Jean-Luc CECCOLI Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released It is a sad world when we have to worry about top or bottom posting. Just as long as we are posting. Let our web-based clients do as they want. DT 3.8 is a great improvement over 3.6. Filmic works a little nicer, the LMMSE demosiac option is incredible for reducing noise in high ISO images, the denoise profile works so much better, and there are some nice presets in the new diffuse or sharpen module to get you started. I recommend watch Aurelien's video on the module https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4 [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DREdq7guNz4/maxresdefault.jpg]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> [EN] darktable 3.8, new module : diffuse or sharpen - YouTube<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> darktable 3.8 will introduce an advanced module to manage bluriness and sharpness in a physically-accurate way. Let's dive into its features together.Documen... www.youtube.com From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2022 5:31 AM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, Happy new year to all, and many thanks to every dt involved. Sorry for top-posting, maybe time for me to leave Orange web-based client. :-( I got another update today. Maybe some fixes ? Rgrds, J.-Luc envoyé : 26 décembre 2021 à 22:34 de : Jean-Luc CECCOLI à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, I got dt automatically update today to 3.8. Ubuntu 20.04. So you might as well get it. Rgrds, J.-Luc envoyé : 25 décembre 2021 à 14:06 de : Francesco Scaglioni à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hi Oddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am informed that all packages are up to date. Guess I need to wait a while. F darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org This email is confidential, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone outside the intended recipient organisation is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of the University of Tasmania, unless clearly intended otherwise. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
There is a really nice sharpening preset in the diffuse or sharpen module. Worth the upgrade. On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 09:42, RE Blue wrote: > Yes, that has always been my understanding. Unless there's a whole new > change in direction, newer versions of software are backward compatible. > That's good to know, because I have held out moving to 3.8 for fear of > losing all my 3.6 photos. Thanks everyone for your information and > assistance. > > -- > *From:* Bernhard > *Sent:* Monday, January 3, 2022 3:44 PM > *To:* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org < > darktable-user@lists.darktable.org> > *Subject:* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released > > that's correct - and that's how most software works. > (this is logical: new versions know the algorithms of old versions, but > old versions are not clairvoyants who can predict the algorithms of new > versions) > > Jean-Luc CECCOLI schrieb am 03.01.22 um 22:25: > > If I understood correctly, photos edited with 3.8 will not be editable > with 3.6, but 3.8 can handle previous versions. > > > > Rgrds, > > > >> *envoyé :* 3 janvier 2022 à 22:20 > >> *de :* RE Blue > >> *à :* Terry Pinfold , " > darktable-user@lists.darktable.org" , > Jean-Luc CECCOLI > >> *objet :* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released > >> > >> > >> I thought I read that you cannot access photos processed in 3.6 if you > upgrade to 3.8. Is this correct, or am I confused again? > >> > >> > >> > -- > >> *From:* Terry Pinfold > >> *Sent:* Monday, January 3, 2022 3:04 PM > >> *To:* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org < > darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>; Jean-Luc CECCOLI < > jean-luc.cecc...@wanadoo.fr> > >> *Subject:* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released > >> > >> > >> > >> It is a sad world when we have to worry about top or bottom posting. > Just as long as we are posting. Let our web-based clients do as they want. > DT 3.8 is a great improvement over 3.6. Filmic works a little nicer, the > LMMSE demosiac option is incredible for reducing noise in high ISO images, > the denoise profile works so much better, and there are some nice presets > in the new diffuse or sharpen module to get you started. I recommend watch > Aurelien's video on the module > https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4 < > https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> > >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> > >> > >> [EN] darktable 3.8, new module : diffuse or sharpen - YouTube < > https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> > >> darktable 3.8 will introduce an advanced module to manage bluriness and > sharpness in a physically-accurate way. Let's dive into its features > together.Documen... > >> www.youtube.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --------------
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Yes, that has always been my understanding. Unless there's a whole new change in direction, newer versions of software are backward compatible. That's good to know, because I have held out moving to 3.8 for fear of losing all my 3.6 photos. Thanks everyone for your information and assistance. From: Bernhard Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 3:44 PM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released that's correct - and that's how most software works. (this is logical: new versions know the algorithms of old versions, but old versions are not clairvoyants who can predict the algorithms of new versions) Jean-Luc CECCOLI schrieb am 03.01.22 um 22:25: > If I understood correctly, photos edited with 3.8 will not be editable with > 3.6, but 3.8 can handle previous versions. > > Rgrds, > >> *envoyé :* 3 janvier 2022 à 22:20 >> *de :* RE Blue >> *à :* Terry Pinfold , >> "darktable-user@lists.darktable.org" , >> Jean-Luc CECCOLI >> *objet :* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released >> >> >> I thought I read that you cannot access photos processed in 3.6 if you >> upgrade to 3.8. Is this correct, or am I confused again? >> >> >> -- >> *From:* Terry Pinfold >> *Sent:* Monday, January 3, 2022 3:04 PM >> *To:* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org >> ; Jean-Luc CECCOLI >> >> *Subject:* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released >> >> >> >> It is a sad world when we have to worry about top or bottom posting. Just as >> long as we are posting. Let our web-based clients do as they want. DT 3.8 is >> a great improvement over 3.6. Filmic works a little nicer, the LMMSE >> demosiac option is incredible for reducing noise in high ISO images, the >> denoise profile works so much better, and there are some nice presets in >> the new diffuse or sharpen module to get you started. I recommend watch >> Aurelien's video on the module >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4 >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> >> >> [EN] darktable 3.8, new module : diffuse or sharpen - YouTube >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> >> darktable 3.8 will introduce an advanced module to manage bluriness and >> sharpness in a physically-accurate way. Let's dive into its features >> together.Documen... >> www.youtube.com<http://www.youtube.com> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- >> *From:* Jean-Luc CECCOLI >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 January 2022 5:31 AM >> *To:* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org >> *Subject:* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released >> >> Hello, &g
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
The database and xmps might be corrupted when reverting to an earlier version. That's why darktable creates a backup of the database with the first start of a new version. You might use this backup when reverting. Terry Pinfold schrieb am 03.01.22 um 22:39: My understanding is images edited in a later version of darktable would normally not be correctly edited in a previous version of DT if someone chose to revert to an earlier version. -- regards Bernhard https://www.bilddateien.de darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
that's correct - and that's how most software works. (this is logical: new versions know the algorithms of old versions, but old versions are not clairvoyants who can predict the algorithms of new versions) Jean-Luc CECCOLI schrieb am 03.01.22 um 22:25: If I understood correctly, photos edited with 3.8 will not be editable with 3.6, but 3.8 can handle previous versions. Rgrds, *envoyé :* 3 janvier 2022 à 22:20 *de :* RE Blue *à :* Terry Pinfold , "darktable-user@lists.darktable.org" , Jean-Luc CECCOLI *objet :* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released I thought I read that you cannot access photos processed in 3.6 if you upgrade to 3.8. Is this correct, or am I confused again? -- *From:* Terry Pinfold *Sent:* Monday, January 3, 2022 3:04 PM *To:* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org ; Jean-Luc CECCOLI *Subject:* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released It is a sad world when we have to worry about top or bottom posting. Just as long as we are posting. Let our web-based clients do as they want. DT 3.8 is a great improvement over 3.6. Filmic works a little nicer, the LMMSE demosiac option is incredible for reducing noise in high ISO images, the denoise profile works so much better, and there are some nice presets in the new diffuse or sharpen module to get you started. I recommend watch Aurelien's video on the module https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> [EN] darktable 3.8, new module : diffuse or sharpen - YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> darktable 3.8 will introduce an advanced module to manage bluriness and sharpness in a physically-accurate way. Let's dive into its features together.Documen... www.youtube.com -- *From:* Jean-Luc CECCOLI *Sent:* Tuesday, 4 January 2022 5:31 AM *To:* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org *Subject:* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, Happy new year to all, and many thanks to every dt involved. Sorry for top-posting, maybe time for me to leave Orange web-based client. :-( I got another update today. Maybe some fixes ? Rgrds, J.-Luc *envoyé :* 26 décembre 2021 à 22:34 *de :* Jean-Luc CECCOLI *à :* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org *objet :* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, I got dt automatically update today to 3.8. Ubuntu 20.04. So you might as well get it. Rgrds, J.-Luc *envoyé :* 25 décembre 2021 à 14:06 *de :* Francesco Scaglioni *à :* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org *objet :* Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hi Oddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am informed that
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Thank you for the clarification. From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 3:25 PM To: Terry Pinfold ; darktable-user@lists.darktable.org ; RE Blue Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released If I understood correctly, photos edited with 3.8 will not be editable with 3.6, but 3.8 can handle previous versions. Rgrds, envoyé : 3 janvier 2022 à 22:20 de : RE Blue à : Terry Pinfold , "darktable-user@lists.darktable.org" , Jean-Luc CECCOLI objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released I thought I read that you cannot access photos processed in 3.6 if you upgrade to 3.8. Is this correct, or am I confused again? From: Terry Pinfold Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 3:04 PM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org ; Jean-Luc CECCOLI Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released It is a sad world when we have to worry about top or bottom posting. Just as long as we are posting. Let our web-based clients do as they want. DT 3.8 is a great improvement over 3.6. Filmic works a little nicer, the LMMSE demosiac option is incredible for reducing noise in high ISO images, the denoise profile works so much better, and there are some nice presets in the new diffuse or sharpen module to get you started. I recommend watch Aurelien's video on the module https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4 [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DREdq7guNz4/maxresdefault.jpg]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> [EN] darktable 3.8, new module : diffuse or sharpen - YouTube<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> darktable 3.8 will introduce an advanced module to manage bluriness and sharpness in a physically-accurate way. Let's dive into its features together.Documen... www.youtube.com From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2022 5:31 AM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, Happy new year to all, and many thanks to every dt involved. Sorry for top-posting, maybe time for me to leave Orange web-based client. :-( I got another update today. Maybe some fixes ? Rgrds, J.-Luc envoyé : 26 décembre 2021 à 22:34 de : Jean-Luc CECCOLI à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, I got dt automatically update today to 3.8. Ubuntu 20.04. So you might as well get it. Rgrds, J.-Luc envoyé : 25 décembre 2021 à 14:06 de : Francesco Scaglioni à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hi Oddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am informed that all packages are up to date. Guess I need to wait a while. F darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org This email is confidential, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone outside the intended recipient organisation is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of the University of Tasmania, unless clearly intended otherwise. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
My understanding is images edited in a later version of darktable would normally not be correctly edited in a previous version of DT if someone chose to revert to an earlier version. That would often be the case with any program, not just Darktable. It would be unusual to want to revert DT to a previous version. I did have one Chinese student who had Windows setup in Chinese and V3.6 would not function correctly on her computer, so we reverted her to 3.4 and all was working again. I informed the developers and I believe this issue has now been resolved in 3.8. From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2022 8:25 AM To: Terry Pinfold ; darktable-user@lists.darktable.org ; RE Blue Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released If I understood correctly, photos edited with 3.8 will not be editable with 3.6, but 3.8 can handle previous versions. Rgrds, envoyé : 3 janvier 2022 à 22:20 de : RE Blue à : Terry Pinfold , "darktable-user@lists.darktable.org" , Jean-Luc CECCOLI objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released I thought I read that you cannot access photos processed in 3.6 if you upgrade to 3.8. Is this correct, or am I confused again? From: Terry Pinfold Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 3:04 PM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org ; Jean-Luc CECCOLI Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released It is a sad world when we have to worry about top or bottom posting. Just as long as we are posting. Let our web-based clients do as they want. DT 3.8 is a great improvement over 3.6. Filmic works a little nicer, the LMMSE demosiac option is incredible for reducing noise in high ISO images, the denoise profile works so much better, and there are some nice presets in the new diffuse or sharpen module to get you started. I recommend watch Aurelien's video on the module https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DREdq7guNz4/maxresdefault.jpg]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> [EN] darktable 3.8, new module : diffuse or sharpen - YouTube<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> darktable 3.8 will introduce an advanced module to manage bluriness and sharpness in a physically-accurate way. Let's dive into its features together.Documen... www.youtube.com<http://www.youtube.com> From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2022 5:31 AM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, Happy new year to all, and many thanks to every dt involved. Sorry for top-posting, maybe time for me to leave Orange web-based client. :-( I got another update today. Maybe some fixes ? Rgrds, J.-Luc envoyé : 26 décembre 2021 à 22:34 de : Jean-Luc CECCOLI à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, I got dt automatically update today to 3.8. Ubuntu 20.04. So you might as well get it. Rgrds, J.-Luc envoyé : 25 décembre 2021 à 14:06 de : Francesco Scaglioni à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hi Oddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am informed that all packages are up to date. Guess I need to wait a while. F darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org This email is confidential, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone outside the intended recipient organisation is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of the University of Tasmania, unless clearly intended otherwise. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable use
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
My edits from 3.6 have been faithfully carried over to 3.8. Maybe someone else has had a different experience. BTW, when I do an edit, I always export the image as a 16-bit to produce a new image file with the look I want. Then later when I get a new version of DT or my skills improve over the years, I might have another attempt at editing the RAW file in the hope of getting a better image. I don't depend on my edits being saved between versions of DT, but that is just my personal preference. From: RE Blue Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2022 8:20 AM To: Terry Pinfold ; darktable-user@lists.darktable.org ; Jean-Luc CECCOLI Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released I thought I read that you cannot access photos processed in 3.6 if you upgrade to 3.8. Is this correct, or am I confused again? From: Terry Pinfold Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 3:04 PM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org ; Jean-Luc CECCOLI Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released It is a sad world when we have to worry about top or bottom posting. Just as long as we are posting. Let our web-based clients do as they want. DT 3.8 is a great improvement over 3.6. Filmic works a little nicer, the LMMSE demosiac option is incredible for reducing noise in high ISO images, the denoise profile works so much better, and there are some nice presets in the new diffuse or sharpen module to get you started. I recommend watch Aurelien's video on the module https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DREdq7guNz4/maxresdefault.jpg]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> [EN] darktable 3.8, new module : diffuse or sharpen - YouTube<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> darktable 3.8 will introduce an advanced module to manage bluriness and sharpness in a physically-accurate way. Let's dive into its features together.Documen... www.youtube.com<http://www.youtube.com> From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2022 5:31 AM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, Happy new year to all, and many thanks to every dt involved. Sorry for top-posting, maybe time for me to leave Orange web-based client. :-( I got another update today. Maybe some fixes ? Rgrds, J.-Luc envoyé : 26 décembre 2021 à 22:34 de : Jean-Luc CECCOLI à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, I got dt automatically update today to 3.8. Ubuntu 20.04. So you might as well get it. Rgrds, J.-Luc envoyé : 25 décembre 2021 à 14:06 de : Francesco Scaglioni à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hi Oddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am informed that all packages are up to date. Guess I need to wait a while. F darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org This email is confidential, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone outside the intended recipient organisation is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of the University of Tasmania, unless clearly intended otherwise. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
If I understood correctly, photos edited with 3.8 will not be editable with 3.6, but 3.8 can handle previous versions.Rgrds,envoyé : 3 janvier 2022 à 22:20de : RE Blue à : Terry Pinfold , "darktable-user@lists.darktable.org" , Jean-Luc CECCOLI objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 releasedI thought I read that you cannot access photos processed in 3.6 if you upgrade to 3.8. Is this correct, or am I confused again? From: Terry Pinfold Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 3:04 PM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org ; Jean-Luc CECCOLI Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released It is a sad world when we have to worry about top or bottom posting. Just as long as we are posting. Let our web-based clients do as they want. DT 3.8 is a great improvement over 3.6. Filmic works a little nicer, the LMMSE demosiac option is incredible for reducing noise in high ISO images, the denoise profile works so much better, and there are some nice presets in the new diffuse or sharpen module to get you started. I recommend watch Aurelien's video on the module https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4[EN] darktable 3.8, new module : diffuse or sharpen - YouTubedarktable 3.8 will introduce an advanced module to manage bluriness and sharpness in a physically-accurate way. Let's dive into its features together.Documen...www.youtube.com From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2022 5:31 AM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello,Happy new year to all, and many thanks to every dt involved.Sorry for top-posting, maybe time for me to leave Orange web-based client. :-(I got another update today. Maybe some fixes ?Rgrds,J.-Lucenvoyé : 26 décembre 2021 à 22:34 de : Jean-Luc CECCOLI à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 releasedHello,I got dt automatically update today to 3.8. Ubuntu 20.04. So you might as well get it.Rgrds,J.-Lucenvoyé : 25 décembre 2021 à 14:06 de : Francesco Scaglioni à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 releasedHiOddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am informed that all packages are up to date.Guess I need to wait a while.F darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org This email is confidential, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone outside the intended recipient organisation is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of the University of Tasmania, unless clearly intended otherwise. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
* Terry Pinfold [01-03-22 16:06]: > > > It is a sad world when we have to worry about top or bottom posting. Just as > long as we are posting. Let our web-based clients do as they want. DT 3.8 is > a great improvement over 3.6. Filmic works a little nicer, the LMMSE demosiac > option is incredible for reducing noise in high ISO images, the denoise > profile works so much better, and there are some nice presets in the new > diffuse or sharpen module to get you started. I recommend watch Aurelien's > video on the module https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4 it is just being polite and considerate. the "sad world" is when one is not! > [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DREdq7guNz4/maxresdefault.jpg]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> > [EN] darktable 3.8, new module : diffuse or sharpen - > YouTube<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> > darktable 3.8 will introduce an advanced module to manage bluriness and > sharpness in a physically-accurate way. Let's dive into its features > together.Documen... > www.youtube.com > > > > From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI > Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2022 5:31 AM > To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org > Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released > > > Hello, > > Happy new year to all, and many thanks to every dt involved. > > Sorry for top-posting, maybe time for me to leave Orange web-based client. :-( > > I got another update today. Maybe some fixes ? > > Rgrds, > > J.-Luc > > envoyé : 26 décembre 2021 à 22:34 > de : Jean-Luc CECCOLI > à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org > objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released > > > Hello, > > I got dt automatically update today to 3.8. Ubuntu 20.04. So you might as > well get it. > > Rgrds, > > J.-Luc > > envoyé : 25 décembre 2021 à 14:06 > de : Francesco Scaglioni > à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org > objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released > > > Hi > > Oddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt > informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install > the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be > removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am > informed that all packages are up to date. > > Guess I need to wait a while. > > F > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > > This email is confidential, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, > disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone outside > the intended recipient organisation is prohibited and may be a criminal > offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the > sender. The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of > the University of Tasmania, unless clearly intended otherwise. > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc What sort of day was it? A day like all days, filled with those events that alter and illuminate our times... darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
It is a sad world when we have to worry about top or bottom posting. Just as long as we are posting. Let our web-based clients do as they want. DT 3.8 is a great improvement over 3.6. Filmic works a little nicer, the LMMSE demosiac option is incredible for reducing noise in high ISO images, the denoise profile works so much better, and there are some nice presets in the new diffuse or sharpen module to get you started. I recommend watch Aurelien's video on the module https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4 [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DREdq7guNz4/maxresdefault.jpg]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> [EN] darktable 3.8, new module : diffuse or sharpen - YouTube<https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop=DREdq7guNz4> darktable 3.8 will introduce an advanced module to manage bluriness and sharpness in a physically-accurate way. Let's dive into its features together.Documen... www.youtube.com From: Jean-Luc CECCOLI Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2022 5:31 AM To: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Subject: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, Happy new year to all, and many thanks to every dt involved. Sorry for top-posting, maybe time for me to leave Orange web-based client. :-( I got another update today. Maybe some fixes ? Rgrds, J.-Luc envoyé : 26 décembre 2021 à 22:34 de : Jean-Luc CECCOLI à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hello, I got dt automatically update today to 3.8. Ubuntu 20.04. So you might as well get it. Rgrds, J.-Luc envoyé : 25 décembre 2021 à 14:06 de : Francesco Scaglioni à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org objet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hi Oddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am informed that all packages are up to date. Guess I need to wait a while. F darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org This email is confidential, and is for the intended recipient only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on any of it by anyone outside the intended recipient organisation is prohibited and may be a criminal offence. Please delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender. The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of the University of Tasmania, unless clearly intended otherwise. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Hello,Happy new year to all, and many thanks to every dt involved.Sorry for top-posting, maybe time for me to leave Orange web-based client. :-(I got another update today. Maybe some fixes ?Rgrds,J.-Lucenvoyé : 26 décembre 2021 à 22:34de : Jean-Luc CECCOLI à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.orgobjet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 releasedHello,I got dt automatically update today to 3.8. Ubuntu 20.04. So you might as well get it.Rgrds,J.-Lucenvoyé : 25 décembre 2021 à 14:06de : Francesco Scaglioni à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.orgobjet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 releasedHiOddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am informed that all packages are up to date.Guess I need to wait a while.F darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Am Freitag, dem 31.12.2021 um 17:05 + schrieb darkta...@911networks.com: > 1. I only have bullseye, not bookworm > 2. I didn't even look, it installed. I only had the .3 and it > installed and it works. I used it yesterday. > 3. Now you've prompted me to install .5 which also available from the > same place: > > https://software.opensuse.org/ and search for what you are missing. > Same issue here. I tried to install 3.8 on Debian Next, but the packages for Debian Next and Debian 11 both require libexiv2-27 >= 0.27.5-1.1 which is not available in Debian Next or 11. Looks like the 3.8 packages can't be installed on a regular Debian system: dpkg: Abhängigkeitsprobleme verhindern Konfiguration von darktable: darktable hängt ab von libexiv2-27 (>= 0.27.5-1.1); aber: Version von libexiv2-27:amd64 auf dem System ist 0.27.3-3.1. I did not try installing further SuSE packages, I prefer not mixing up my system too much. Cheers Michael darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 18:33:30 -0800 ey9zzhy...@liamekaens.com wrote: > > I have debian bullseye with the 11.2 updates. I downloaded the > > debian > 11 package from: > > > https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable > > > and it works on my machine > What version of libexiv2-27 do you have? According to 1. I only have bullseye, not bookworm 2. I didn't even look, it installed. I only had the .3 and it installed and it works. I used it yesterday. 3. Now you've prompted me to install .5 which also available from the same place: https://software.opensuse.org/ and search for what you are missing. -- sknahT vyS darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
On 2021-12-30 10:08, darktable-at-911networks.com |darktable-user| wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 22:40:26 -0800 ey9zzhy...@liamekaens.com wrote: Where is the appropriate place to report a problem with the OBS packages for the latest release described at https://www.darktable.org/install/ and downloaded from https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable? Both the Debian 11 and Debian Next OBS packages depend on libexiv2-27 (>= 0.27.5-1.1), but Debian 11 (the stable distribution) only has version 0.27.3-3+deb11u1 and the Debian testing, and unstable distributions both only have version 0.27.3-3.1. As a result, the Debian 11 and Debian Next OBS packages won't install on Debian due to dependency problems. I have debian bullseye with the 11.2 updates. I downloaded the debian 11 package from: https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable and it works on my machine What version of libexiv2-27 do you have? According to https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libexiv2-27=names=1=all=all no debian distribution has a version newer than 0.27.3, which doesn't satisfy the requirements of the darktable package. I downloaded the Debian 11 package from that URL into /tmp and running "dpkg-deb --info /tmp/darktable_3.8.0-1.1_amd64.deb" produced the following output: new Debian package, version 2.0. size 5563112 bytes: control archive=11632 bytes. 2662 bytes, 29 lines control 36193 bytes, 409 lines md5sums Package: darktable Version: 3.8.0-1.1 Architecture: amd64 Maintainer: Debian PhotoTools Maintainers Installed-Size: 26923 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.29), libcairo2 (>= 1.14.0), libcolord-gtk1 (>= 0.1.20), libcolord2 (>= 1.4.3), libcups2 (>= 1.7.0), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.56.1), libexiv2-27 (>= 0.27.5-1.1), libgcc-s1 (>= 3.0), libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.55.1), libgmic1, libgomp1 (>= 6), libgphoto2-6 (>= 2.5.10), libgphoto2-port12 (>= 2.5.10), libgraphicsmagick-q16-3 (>= 1.3.5), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.22), libheif1 (>= 1.8.0), libicu67 (>= 67.1-1~), libilmbase25 (>= 2.5.4), libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1.3.1), libjson-glib-1.0-0 (>= 1.5.2), liblcms2-2 (>= 2.8), liblensfun1 (>= 0.3.2), liblua5.4-0 (>= 5.4.2), libopenexr25 (>= 2.5.4), libopenjp2-7 (>= 2.2.0), libosmgpsmap-1.0-1 (>= 1.1.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.37.2), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1), libportmidi0, libpugixml1v5 (>= 1.6), librsvg2-2 (>= 2.14.4), libsdl2-2.0-0 (>= 2.0.12), libsecret-1-0 (>= 0.7), libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.47.4), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.7.10), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libtiff5 (>= 4.0.3), libwebp6 (>= 0.5.1), libx11-6, libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.99.3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0), libjs-prototype, libjs-scriptaculous, fonts-roboto, iso-codes Breaks: darktable-plugins-experimental (<< 1.0~), darktable-plugins-legacy (<< 0.9) Replaces: darktable-plugins-experimental (<< 1.0~), darktable-plugins-legacy (<< 0.9) Section: graphics Priority: optional Homepage: http://www.darktable.org/ Description: virtual lighttable and darkroom for photographers Darktable manages your digital negatives in a database and lets you view them through a zoomable lighttable. it also enables you to develop raw images and enhance them. . It tries to fill the gap between the many excellent existing free raw converters and image management tools (such as ufraw or f-spot). The user interface is built around efficient caching of image metadata and mipmaps, all stored in a database. the user will always be able to interact, even if the full resolution image is not yet loaded. . All editing is fully non-destructive and only operates on cached image buffers for display. the full image is only converted during export. The frontend is written in gtk+/cairo, the database uses sqlite3, raw image loading is done using rawspeed, high-dynamic range, and standard image formats such as jpeg are also supported. The core operates completely on floating point values, so darktable can not only be used for photography but also for scientifically acquired images or output of renderers (high dynamic range). Notice that the Depend: section says: libexiv2-27 (>= 0.27.5-1.1). FWIW, The system I'm trying to install on has Debian testing (bookworm), but both the Debian Next and Debian 11 darktable packages failed to install with the same dependency error. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
> > I saw nothing else that pertained to the job I need to accomplish. What job are you trying to accomplish? Import a single file? Import a whole folder? Both these are trivial in 3.8. If you are a bit clearer what you are trying to achieve, then you might receive some more helpful advice. On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 05:01, Willy Williams wrote: > Pascal, > > I've read through The Fine Manual several times looking for a means to > duplicate the importing process I had used through v3.4. To be more > specific, I read section 1.4.2, import & review, section 2 in its entirety, > and section 9.4 lighttable. In reading through the Table of Contents, I > saw nothing else that pertained to the job I need to accomplish. If I've > missed something or misunderstood it, please feel free to enlighten me by > referring me to a specific section. My copy of The Fine Manual is loaded > with yellow stickies that mark sections that I have found helpful, so > adding a few more will not hurt my feelings. Thanks. > > Willy Williams > > ** > On 12/30/2021 at 10:07, Pascal Obry wrote: > > Willy, > > > As much as I have been thinking that the module gods have been > messing with me with the release of darktable 3.8, I did manage to > figure it out (eventually) and we're good now. That experience has > led to to make a request of the module gods, now that they've had > their giggle. In releases of darktable as recently as v3.4, one had > the option available in the lighttable view of importing images > individually or from a folder (see this screen grab). > > Since v3.6, we've lost that ability and have been shoved kicking and > screaming into this new paradigm. > > You really want to read the manual. > > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 22:40:26 -0800 ey9zzhy...@liamekaens.com wrote: > Where is the appropriate place to report a problem with the OBS > packages for the latest release described at > https://www.darktable.org/install/ and downloaded from > https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable? > > Both the Debian 11 and Debian Next OBS packages depend on > libexiv2-27 (>= 0.27.5-1.1), but Debian 11 (the stable > distribution) only has version 0.27.3-3+deb11u1 and the Debian > testing, and unstable distributions both only have version > 0.27.3-3.1. As a result, the Debian 11 and Debian Next OBS > packages won't install on Debian due to dependency problems. > I have debian bullseye with the 11.2 updates. I downloaded the debian 11 package from: https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable and it works on my machine -- sknahT vyS darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Pascal, I've read through The Fine Manual several times looking for a means to duplicate the importing process I had used through v3.4. To be more specific, I read section 1.4.2, import & review, section 2 in its entirety, and section 9.4 lighttable. In reading through the Table of Contents, I saw nothing else that pertained to the job I need to accomplish. If I've missed something or misunderstood it, please feel free to enlighten me by referring me to a specific section. My copy of The Fine Manual is loaded with yellow stickies that mark sections that I have found helpful, so adding a few more will not hurt my feelings. Thanks. Willy Williams ** On 12/30/2021 at 10:07, Pascal Obry wrote: Willy, As much as I have been thinking that the module gods have been messing with me with the release of darktable 3.8, I did manage to figure it out (eventually) and we're good now. That experience has led to to make a request of the module gods, now that they've had their giggle. In releases of darktable as recently as v3.4, one had the option available in the lighttable view of importing images individually or from a folder (see this screen grab). Since v3.6, we've lost that ability and have been shoved kicking and screaming into this new paradigm. You really want to read the manual. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Hello,Well, maybe did I not understand correctly, if so please accept my apologies.However, I imported photos after dt upgraded to 3.8, and I could do this for 2 folders - one at a time.Rgrds,J.-Lucenvoyé : 30 décembre 2021 à 13:53de : Willy Williams à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.orgobjet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 releasedAs much as I have been thinking that the module gods have been messing with me with the release of darktable 3.8, I did manage to figure it out (eventually) and we're good now. That experience has led to to make a request of the module gods, now that they've had their giggle. In releases of darktable as recently as v3.4, one had the option available in the lighttable view of importing images individually or from a folder (see this screen grab). Since v3.6, we've lost that ability and have been shoved kicking and screaming into this new paradigm. Sadly, the new paradigm is a huge failure in my workflow, not to mention being a general PITA. That said, I'd like to request that there be an option in preferences - lighttable to choose the import methodology desired. Options could be called "file, folder" and "add to library, copy & import". This has a precedent under preferences - processing in which we can choose to auto-apply pixel workflow defaults, with "scene-referred", "display-referred" and "none" being the available choices. Thanks for considering this as an option for the next release of darktable. Willy Williams darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Willy, > As much as I have been thinking that the module gods have been > messing with me with the release of darktable 3.8, I did manage to > figure it out (eventually) and we're good now. That experience has > led to to make a request of the module gods, now that they've had > their giggle. In releases of darktable as recently as v3.4, one had > the option available in the lighttable view of importing images > individually or from a folder (see this screen grab). > > Since v3.6, we've lost that ability and have been shoved kicking and > screaming into this new paradigm. You really want to read the manual. -- Pascal Obry / Magny Les Hameaux (78) The best way to travel is by means of imagination http://www.obry.net gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key F949BD3B darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
As much as I have been thinking that the module gods have been messing with me with the release of darktable 3.8, I did manage to figure it out (eventually) and we're good now. That experience has led to to make a request of the module gods, now that they've had their giggle. In releases of darktable as recently as v3.4, one had the option available in the lighttable view of importing images individually or from a folder (see this screen grab). Since v3.6, we've lost that ability and have been shoved kicking and screaming into this new paradigm. Sadly, the new paradigm is a huge failure in my workflow, not to mention being a general PITA. That said, I'd like to request that there be an option in preferences - lighttable to choose the import methodology desired. Options could be called "file, folder" and "add to library, copy & import". This has a precedent under preferences - processing in which we can choose to auto-apply pixel workflow defaults, with "scene-referred", "display-referred" and "none" being the available choices. Thanks for considering this as an option for the next release of darktable. Willy Williams darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Based on the release notes and the new documentation, this looks fantastic. Thanks to everyone that contributed. I'm looking forward to trying it out. Where is the appropriate place to report a problem with the OBS packages for the latest release described at https://www.darktable.org/install/ and downloaded from https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable? Both the Debian 11 and Debian Next OBS packages depend on libexiv2-27 (>= 0.27.5-1.1), but Debian 11 (the stable distribution) only has version 0.27.3-3+deb11u1 and the Debian testing, and unstable distributions both only have version 0.27.3-3.1. As a result, the Debian 11 and Debian Next OBS packages won't install on Debian due to dependency problems. thanks, Peter Canning On 2021-12-24 02:02, Pascal Obry pascal-at-obry.net |darktable-user| wrote: We're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 3.8.0! The github release is here: [https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.8.0](https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.8.0). As always, please don't use the autogenerated tarball provided by github, but only our tar.xz file. the checksums are: ``` $ sha256sum darktable-3.8.0.tar.xz 2e65c7c78d074ad218e3ef7a8c3051a8ea78f4a0406386667859645e5e4bf705 darktable-3.8.0.tar.xz $ sha256sum darktable-3.8.0.dmg fe1f1100bf3ca1acc11f69e2ffc6dbb58d11449ed85c086e0ecc52d5acb78e24 darktable-3.8.0.dmg $ sha256sum darktable-3.8.0-win64.exe c74d76f9feefc5648c41938bf430b261d3a3308df0ef87085be590b5a5d1110d darktable-3.8.0-win64.exe ``` When updating from the currently stable 3.6.x series, please bear in mind that your edits will be preserved during this process, but the new library and configuration will not be usable with 3.6.x anymore. You are strongly advised to take a backup first. Important note: to make sure that darktable can keep on supporting the raw file format for your camera, *please* read [this post](https://discuss.pixls.us/t/raw-samples-wanted/5420?u=lebedevri) on how/what raw samples you can contribute to ensure that we have the *full* raw sample set for your camera under CC0 license! - Almost 3915 commits to darktable+rawspeed since 3.6 - 571 pull requests handled - 265 issues closed ## The Big Ones - The keyboard shortcut system has been entirely reworked and extended to allow you to control darktable with other devices, for example, MIDI devices and game controllers. Standard keyboard/mouse shortcuts can now make use of mouse movements (horizontal, vertical, diagonal) as well as multiple button/key presses and short or long presses/clicks. Please note that any shortcuts you have previously created are not transferred to the new functionality and will need to be redefined in darktable 3.8. - New diffuse or sharpen module, allowing you to simulate or to revert diffusion processes to reconstruct images from lens blur, hazing, sensor low-pass filter, or noise. It can also be used to simulate watercolor smudges, increase local contrast, simulate blooming or apply surface blur. Special rules can be defined to specifically diffuse across or along edges, as well as to avoid sharpening or blurring them. - New scene-referred blurs module, to synthesize motion and lens blurs in a parametric and physically-accurate way. This module allows you to define the motion path or the lens diaphragm and then generates the corresponding blur. - Perspective correction module has been renamed to rotate and perspective and now allows you to manually define correction settings by drawing lines or rectangles on the image (replicating keystone correction functionality from the deprecated crop and rotate module) - Added support for multiple images in the print view. The page can be filled with multiple areas, each of which can be moved around and placed on the page with the ability to snap to a grid for precision. - A new LMMSE demosaic algorithm has been introduced. This algorithm is particularly suited to high ISO and/or noisy images. - The composition guides from the crop module are now available globally and no longer require the crop module to be activated. - The Canon raw CR3 format is now supported (see list of supported cameras in the section below). This support is provided by LibRaw and requires at least exiv2 version 0.27.4 with BMFF support activated. - The color checker profiling tool, introduced in darktable 3.4 as part of the color calibration module, is now normalized patch-wise in exposure to discard the effect of uneven lighting and fall-off when shooting color checkers hand-held and on-location. This robustly decreases the residual average dE after calibration and noticeably helps to recover natural dark blues while preventing yellow shifts in highlights. ## Other New Features And Changes - The denoise (profiled) module
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Most certainly. Done is done. That said, I still think the module order gods have been messing with me... Willy Williams On 12/27/2021 at 9:10, Pascal Obry wrote: Le lundi 27 décembre 2021 à 07:28 -0500, Willy Williams a écrit : I'm beginning to think that the module order gods have been punking me since darktable 3.8 was released. Yesterday I got the Ubuntu 20.04 release on my third machine and set about synchronizing the preferences. Once again the module order came up in the display- referred mode despite me having set it to scene-referred in preferences - processing. This time I had all my preferences set identically, but doing the exit - restart routine did not achieve the desired result of having the modules in the scene-referred order. Then I noticed that the module order in darkroom was set to "legacy". Once that was reset to "v3.0 for RAW input", the modules regained their proper order. So to all those devious module order gods, I'm onto you now, you sneaky rascals! Just to be sure... You understand that the selected module order will be used only for new edits and that darktable will never ever change the module order of already edited images as it would change the final rendering. Right? darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Le lundi 27 décembre 2021 à 07:28 -0500, Willy Williams a écrit : > I'm beginning to think that the module order gods have been punking > me since darktable 3.8 was released. Yesterday I got the Ubuntu > 20.04 release on my third machine and set about synchronizing the > preferences. Once again the module order came up in the display- > referred mode despite me having set it to scene-referred in > preferences - processing. This time I had all my preferences set > identically, but doing the exit - restart routine did not achieve the > desired result of having the modules in the scene-referred order. > Then I noticed that the module order in darkroom was set to > "legacy". Once that was reset to "v3.0 for RAW input", the modules > regained their proper order. So to all those devious module order > gods, I'm onto you now, you sneaky rascals! Just to be sure... You understand that the selected module order will be used only for new edits and that darktable will never ever change the module order of already edited images as it would change the final rendering. Right? -- Pascal Obry / Magny Les Hameaux (78) The best way to travel is by means of imagination http://www.obry.net gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key F949BD3B darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
I'm beginning to think that the module order gods have been punking me since darktable 3.8 was released. Yesterday I got the Ubuntu 20.04 release on my third machine and set about synchronizing the preferences. Once again the module order came up in the display-referred mode despite me having set it to scene-referred in preferences - processing. This time I had all my preferences set identically, but doing the exit - restart routine did not achieve the desired result of having the modules in the scene-referred order. Then I noticed that the module order in darkroom was set to "legacy". Once that was reset to "v3.0 for RAW input", the modules regained their proper order. So to all those devious module order gods, I'm onto you now, you sneaky rascals! Willy Williams On 12/24/2021 at 15:09, Willy Williams wrote: And in a rare stroke of brilliance, I decided to switch the "A" machine to display-referred, exit darktable, restart darktable, switch processing back to scene-referred, and /VOILA!/, the module order on the "A" machine is now in the preferred order. Now I must display my penance to the module order gods by consuming a moderate quantity of Claret. Merry Christmas, all! Willy Williams On 12/24/2021 at 14:54, Willy Williams wrote: And after reading p. 285 in The Fine Manual, I find that the "A" machine is using the display-referred module order, but have yet to find where that can be rectified to the scene-referred module order. Ideas are most welcome. Willy Williams On 12/24/2021 at 10:35, Willy Williams wrote: First off, Merry Christmas to all, and thanks aplenty to the developers of darktable for yet another release. Now to a point of confusion for me. I have two basically identical Win 10 machines on which darktable is installed. In checking my configurations after loading v3.8 this morning I find that both machines are set to scene-referred (preferences - processing). All other options are identical on both machines. Yet when I open a photo in darkroom on the "B" machine, the module order precisely follows the scene-referred module order specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual as follows: watermark framing monochrome lowlight vision velvia color correction shadows and highlights contrast brightness saturation color balance rgb sharpen astrophoto denoise censorize crop exposure retouch rotate and perspective haze removal lens correction denoise (profiled) white balance On the "A" machine, the modules selected are the same, yet the order is mostly different as follows: watermark framing velvia sharpen color correction contrast brightness saturation monochrome lowlight vision shadows and highlights astrophoto denoise color balance rgb censorize haze removal crop rotate and perspective lens correction retouch exposure denoise (profiled) white balance Those modules in red are NOT in the sequence specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual, and as yet, I've not found a means of correcting the module order to be in sync with the specified order in The Fine Manual. Can anyone point me in the right direction to correct the module order on the "A" machine? We certainly do not wish to upset the module order gods on Christmas Eve. Thanks for any insights. Willy Williams ** darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Thanks to all the developers! This is a truly marvellous piece of software and has helped me avoid Windows and OS X for many years now! On 2021-12-24 5:02 a.m., Pascal Obry wrote: We're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 3.8.0! The github release is here: [https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.8.0](https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.8.0). darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Hello,I got dt automatically update today to 3.8. Ubuntu 20.04. So you might as well get it.Rgrds,J.-Lucenvoyé : 25 décembre 2021 à 14:06de : Francesco Scaglioni à : darktable-user@lists.darktable.orgobjet : Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 releasedHiOddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am informed that all packages are up to date.Guess I need to wait a while.F darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Hi Oddly when I download DT 3.8 for ubuntu 20.04 from the open build service apt informs me that my current DT 3.6.1 will be downgraded. If I try and install the downloaded deb via the gui installer I am informed that DT will be removed ?? When I add the open repository to sources and apt update I am informed that all packages are up to date. Guess I need to wait a while. F darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
First off, Merry Christmas to all, and thanks aplenty to the developers of darktable for yet another release. Now to a point of confusion for me. I have two basically identical Win 10 machines on which darktable is installed. In checking my configurations after loading v3.8 this morning I find that both machines are set to scene-referred (preferences - processing). All other options are identical on both machines. Yet when I open a photo in darkroom on the "B" machine, the module order precisely follows the scene-referred module order specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual as follows: watermark framing monochrome lowlight vision velvia color correction shadows and highlights contrast brightness saturation color balance rgb sharpen astrophoto denoise censorize crop exposure retouch rotate and perspective haze removal lens correction denoise (profiled) white balance On the "A" machine, the modules selected are the same, yet the order is mostly different as follows: watermark framing velvia sharpen color correction contrast brightness saturation monochrome lowlight vision shadows and highlights astrophoto denoise color balance rgb censorize haze removal crop rotate and perspective lens correction retouch exposure denoise (profiled) white balance Those modules in red are NOT in the sequence specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual, and as yet, I've not found a means of correcting the module order to be in sync with the specified order in The Fine Manual. Can anyone point me in the right direction to correct the module order on the "A" machine? We certainly do not wish to upset the module order gods on Christmas Eve. Thanks for any insights. Willy Williams ** darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
On 24/12/2021 20:09, Willy Williams wrote: And in a rare stroke of brilliance, I decided to switch the "A" machine to display-referred, exit darktable, restart darktable, switch processing back to scene-referred, and /VOILA!/, the module order on the "A" machine is now in the preferred order. Now I must display my penance to the module order gods by consuming a moderate quantity of Claret. :) :) Nuff said darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
And in a rare stroke of brilliance, I decided to switch the "A" machine to display-referred, exit darktable, restart darktable, switch processing back to scene-referred, and /VOILA!/, the module order on the "A" machine is now in the preferred order. Now I must display my penance to the module order gods by consuming a moderate quantity of Claret. Merry Christmas, all! Willy Williams On 12/24/2021 at 14:54, Willy Williams wrote: And after reading p. 285 in The Fine Manual, I find that the "A" machine is using the display-referred module order, but have yet to find where that can be rectified to the scene-referred module order. Ideas are most welcome. Willy Williams On 12/24/2021 at 10:35, Willy Williams wrote: First off, Merry Christmas to all, and thanks aplenty to the developers of darktable for yet another release. Now to a point of confusion for me. I have two basically identical Win 10 machines on which darktable is installed. In checking my configurations after loading v3.8 this morning I find that both machines are set to scene-referred (preferences - processing). All other options are identical on both machines. Yet when I open a photo in darkroom on the "B" machine, the module order precisely follows the scene-referred module order specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual as follows: watermark framing monochrome lowlight vision velvia color correction shadows and highlights contrast brightness saturation color balance rgb sharpen astrophoto denoise censorize crop exposure retouch rotate and perspective haze removal lens correction denoise (profiled) white balance On the "A" machine, the modules selected are the same, yet the order is mostly different as follows: watermark framing velvia sharpen color correction contrast brightness saturation monochrome lowlight vision shadows and highlights astrophoto denoise color balance rgb censorize haze removal crop rotate and perspective lens correction retouch exposure denoise (profiled) white balance Those modules in red are NOT in the sequence specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual, and as yet, I've not found a means of correcting the module order to be in sync with the specified order in The Fine Manual. Can anyone point me in the right direction to correct the module order on the "A" machine? We certainly do not wish to upset the module order gods on Christmas Eve. Thanks for any insights. Willy Williams ** darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
And after reading p. 285 in The Fine Manual, I find that the "A" machine is using the display-referred module order, but have yet to find where that can be rectified to the scene-referred module order. Ideas are most welcome. Willy Williams On 12/24/2021 at 10:35, Willy Williams wrote: First off, Merry Christmas to all, and thanks aplenty to the developers of darktable for yet another release. Now to a point of confusion for me. I have two basically identical Win 10 machines on which darktable is installed. In checking my configurations after loading v3.8 this morning I find that both machines are set to scene-referred (preferences - processing). All other options are identical on both machines. Yet when I open a photo in darkroom on the "B" machine, the module order precisely follows the scene-referred module order specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual as follows: watermark framing monochrome lowlight vision velvia color correction shadows and highlights contrast brightness saturation color balance rgb sharpen astrophoto denoise censorize crop exposure retouch rotate and perspective haze removal lens correction denoise (profiled) white balance On the "A" machine, the modules selected are the same, yet the order is mostly different as follows: watermark framing velvia sharpen color correction contrast brightness saturation monochrome lowlight vision shadows and highlights astrophoto denoise color balance rgb censorize haze removal crop rotate and perspective lens correction retouch exposure denoise (profiled) white balance Those modules in red are NOT in the sequence specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual, and as yet, I've not found a means of correcting the module order to be in sync with the specified order in The Fine Manual. Can anyone point me in the right direction to correct the module order on the "A" machine? We certainly do not wish to upset the module order gods on Christmas Eve. Thanks for any insights. Willy Williams ** darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Jut on time to fill the bag of the red man (who, BTW, used to be green some times ago IIRC).Merry Christmas to everyone.Rgrds,J.-Lucenvoyé : 24 décembre 2021 à 11:02de : Pascal Obry à : darktable-user , darktable-dev objet : [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 releasedWe're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 3.8.0!The github release is here: [https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.8.0](https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.8.0).As always, please don't use the autogenerated tarball provided bygithub, but only our tar.xz file. the checksums are:```$ sha256sum darktable-3.8.0.tar.xz2e65c7c78d074ad218e3ef7a8c3051a8ea78f4a0406386667859645e5e4bf705 darktable-3.8.0.tar.xz$ sha256sum darktable-3.8.0.dmgfe1f1100bf3ca1acc11f69e2ffc6dbb58d11449ed85c086e0ecc52d5acb78e24 darktable-3.8.0.dmg$ sha256sum darktable-3.8.0-win64.exec74d76f9feefc5648c41938bf430b261d3a3308df0ef87085be590b5a5d1110d darktable-3.8.0-win64.exe```When updating from the currently stable 3.6.x series, please bear inmind that your edits will be preserved during this process, but the newlibrary and configuration will not be usable with 3.6.x anymore.You are strongly advised to take a backup first. Important note: to make sure that darktable can keep on supporting the raw file format for your camera, *please* read [this post](https://discuss.pixls.us/t/raw-samples-wanted/5420?u=lebedevri) on how/what raw samples you can contribute to ensure that we have the *full* raw sample set for your camera under CC0 license!- Almost 3915 commits to darktable+rawspeed since 3.6- 571 pull requests handled- 265 issues closed## The Big Ones- The keyboard shortcut system has been entirely reworked and extended to allow you to control darktable with other devices, for example, MIDI devices and game controllers. Standard keyboard/mouse shortcuts can now make use of mouse movements (horizontal, vertical, diagonal) as well as multiple button/key presses and short or long presses/clicks. Please note that any shortcuts you have previously created are not transferred to the new functionality and will need to be redefined in darktable 3.8.- New diffuse or sharpen module, allowing you to simulate or to revert diffusion processes to reconstruct images from lens blur, hazing, sensor low-pass filter, or noise. It can also be used to simulate watercolor smudges, increase local contrast, simulate blooming or apply surface blur. Special rules can be defined to specifically diffuse across or along edges, as well as to avoid sharpening or blurring them.- New scene-referred blurs module, to synthesize motion and lens blurs in a parametric and physically-accurate way. This module allows you to define the motion path or the lens diaphragm and then generates the corresponding blur.- Perspective correction module has been renamed to rotate and perspective and now allows you to manually define correction settings by drawing lines or rectangles on the image (replicating keystone correction functionality from the deprecated crop and rotate module)- Added support for multiple images in the print view. The page can be filled with multiple areas, each of which can be moved around and placed on the page with the ability to snap to a grid for precision.- A new LMMSE demosaic algorithm has been introduced. This algorithm is particularly suited to high ISO and/or noisy images.- The composition guides from the crop module are now available globally and no longer require the crop module to be activated.- The Canon raw CR3 format is now supported (see list of supported cameras in the section below). This support is provided by LibRaw and requires at least exiv2 version 0.27.4 with BMFF support activated.- The color checker profiling tool, introduced in darktable 3.4 as part of the color calibration module, is now normalized patch-wise in exposure to discard the effect of uneven lighting and fall-off when shooting color checkers hand-held and on-location. This robustly decreases the residual average dE after calibration and noticeably helps to recover natural dark blues while preventing yellow shifts in highlights.## Other New Features And Changes- The denoise (profiled) module now uses wavelets mode by default and its default settings in Y0U0V0 mode have been improved.- Flip buttons have been added to the orientation module (functionality moved from crop and rotate).- Background jobs handling has been removed from preferences.- Much of the SSE-specific code has been removed, since compiler-generated code is usually faster.- The darktable-generate-cache script now displays filenames and image IDs.- File name matches in the collections module are now faster.- Mask handling is faster.- Processing module order can now be automatically applied based on image properties.- Folder status is properly refreshed when a mount is changed.- An area color picker is selectable by using a Right-Click in addition to the existing Ctrl+click
RE: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Amen to that! Best wishes and happy healthy 2022 y’all! Kind regards, Hieke van Hoogdalem Van: Francesco Scaglioni Verzonden: vrijdag 24 december 2021 12:51 Aan: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released Hi, On 24/12/2021 10:02, Pascal Obry wrote: We're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 3.8.0! Thank you so much to all who have worked so hard to make DT available to us. We are forever in your debt. Best Wishes to you all Cheers Francesco darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Hi, On 24/12/2021 10:02, Pascal Obry wrote: We're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 3.8.0! Thank you so much to all who have worked so hard to make DT available to us. We are forever in your debt. Best Wishes to you all Cheers Francesco darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
