Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:53:43PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: > Call me naive, but I was hoping that somebody would have answers and > would also raise questions. > For instance, one point being, what if the airlines enters US > airspace, doesn't land in US but goes through there to Canada. > Wouldn't those airlines be also affected by this ban ? Do you know of a flight on one of the affected airlines which specifically does this? Your best and most up-to-date information is going to come from your airline. I had started to write an analysis, reverse-engineering the DHS's threat model based on the parameters of the ban; but the truth is that this doesn't matter. Even if that analysis was spot on, the threat model could change between now and DebConf, and the parameters of the ban with it. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 06:36:12AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Hi Steve > On 21/03/2017 20:02, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 09:29:17AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > There has been no indication that this is in any way driven by the Trump > > administration. > http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/21/news/airline-electronics-ban-explainer/index.html?sr=fbCNN032117airline-electronics-ban-explainer0529PMStoryLink=35698638 > "The Trump administration has ordered nine airlines to stop passengers > from bringing most types of electronic devices" > You call that fake news then? :) I call referring to this as "the Trump Administration" instead of as "the Department of Homeland Security" or "the US government", without specific evidence that this was a decision made by political appointees of Donald Trump, misleading. > > This rule has all the hallmarks of a DHS/TSA-driven rule responding to > > information shared between the intelligence agencies of the US and its > > allies. > The DHS/TSA do not operate in a bubble. > > The erosion of civil liberties with respect to air travel is > > frustrating, but please don't conflate targeted - if opaque and > > inexplicable - air safety measures, with political posturing and > > immigration policy. > They go hand in hand. One of these is part of an ongoing pattern across three presidencies in the United States; the other is specific to President Donald J. Trump. To be imprecise about this is to let ourselves be blind to the reality of what's going on and ineffective in how we respond to it. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:34:10PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/21/2017 07:02 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > > The Trump administration has a genuinely racist agenda > Respectfully... > Could we please keep politics out of any Debian list? No. Have a nice day. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 09:29:17AM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > Looking at the laptop ban[1], it appears to target airlines rather than > individuals and it could impact people going to DebConf this year. > Some of the airports on the list (Dubai, Abu Dhabi) are transit points > for many people from Asia going to the US and Canada or from Australia > going to Europe. > In fact, looking at the cheapest flights on Kayak.com from Mumbai to > Montreal, they go via one of the affected airports, Ataturk Airport, > Istanbul, Turkey although not all of the itineraries propose a stop in > the US. > Can anybody make suggestions about how to minimize the impact on DebConf > and DebConf visitors? For example, could there be a computer lab or > other facility where people can work without a laptop, maybe booting > from their USB stick or using remote desktops? How could these things > be facilitated in a security conscious manner? > These security hassles can change from time to time and at short notice > too. I suspect that each time one of Trump's bans is overturned by the > courts he will bring in some new rule like this to ensure he appears to > be "doing" something and to keep attention on his newest antics rather > than the court cases. There has been no indication that this is in any way driven by the Trump administration. The Trump administration has a genuinely racist agenda to keep people from certain parts of the world out of the US; inconveniencing business travelers who have laptops and money is not consistent with that agenda. This rule has all the hallmarks of a DHS/TSA-driven rule responding to information shared between the intelligence agencies of the US and its allies. The erosion of civil liberties with respect to air travel is frustrating, but please don't conflate targeted - if opaque and inexplicable - air safety measures, with political posturing and immigration policy. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Auf Wiedersehen, und danke für den Fisch
I'm now on my way back to the airport from Heidelberg. It's sad that I can't be with you the whole week, but I'm very glad I got to see everyone again, as brief as it was - and to get to know even more new faces in the Debian family! Parting thoughts: - I've been through Mannheim twice now and seen no steamrollers. This is very disappointing. - They're bees, not wasps, so don't worry! - Rakia is still rakia, in Banja Luka, Portland, or Heidelberg - Is the best sauce for a DebConf a g++ ABI transition? Maybe so! Hope to see you all again next year in Cape Town! -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Key Signing at Debconf: Attend the BoF for Checksum reading!
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 08:50:55PM +0200, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: On Sat 2015-08-15 20:00:29 +0200, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On 15/08/2015 5:08 PM, Sven Bartscher sven.bartsc...@weltraumschlangen.de wrote: Unfortunately I arrived after that. Is there any other opportunity, to compare the hash, in sight? Look for dkg or me to compare the hash. Or, come to the live demo lightning talks session Sunday evening at 18:00 in Berlin/London, where Aníbal and i will give a live demo of how to sign keys with people in person. The hash of the file will be displayed during the live demo. This is only a valid proxy if you and the people you're exchanging keys with are present for the *same* display of the checksum and confirm that it matches. Otherwise, it's just another example of that sketchy dkg character trying to compromise the Debian keyring by using different checksums for non-overlapping audiences. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Do not photograph checkbox in registration
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 02:43:51PM -0400, micah anderson wrote: Gaudenz Steinlin gaud...@debian.org writes: And taking the risk to be called an ochlocrat once again, I would also argue against accomodating vegans if the proposed solution would be that everyone has to eat vegan food all the time. If you had a checkbox that said I need to eat meat at every meal and a special meal was taken care of for you, would you be ok with that? As an attendee, I would check the box, while rolling my eyes. As an *organizer*, I think such a box would be pointless and counterproductive, because first, it doesn't map to anyone's stated true preferences (most people are omnivores; I have never heard anyone complain that there was insufficient meat available at conferences), and second, the actual preferences that this is a substitute for - an omnivorous diet - are the common case. So making people tick a box to say they don't want to be vegan for the week is exactly analogous to making people tick a box to say they don't mind being filmed during the conference. And people in this thread should be ashamed of themselves for politicizing the logistical challenges of the conference organizers. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Do not photograph checkbox in registration
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 01:23:29PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: I might be wrong on this, but I expect those that don't mind to be filmed to vastly outnumber those that oppose to it. So to me it seems enough to make it clear that talk rooms are filmed and to have a space for those that don't want to be filmed but still want to attend the talk. The registration data supports this conclusion. Only a handful of people checked the box to say they didn't want their picture taken without permission. The rest either don't have a problem with it, or it wasn't important enough to them to find this information on the registration form (arguably, the same thing). -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Do not photograph checkbox in registration
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:11:35PM +, Clint Adams wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:44:24AM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: So do you think we should no longer record and stream the Debconf talks? I would personally be fine with this but people tell me that the conference video is integral to producing a great free operating system. Or what's your solution to be able to continue to record and stream video from talks and at the same time respect your privacy? I think it's fine to record me if I'm giving a talk and have consented to being on video. If I'm quietly sitting in the audience, though, what possible value is there to film me? If you are seated next to someone who is asking a question, the value is in *not* having to accommodate individual requests to not be videoed, and having these requests disrupt the utility of the videos in capturing the flow of discussion. If you want to not be videoed, in a session where we are recording both the speaker and the audience interactions, you should bear the burden of making sure you're seated in the designated no film area. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Do not photograph checkbox in registration
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:25:35PM +0300, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: Even a blacklist is practically impossible to realize while maintaining even just a good coverage of the event. Whitelisting? Forget about all photo coverage and just have video of just the slides. Anything else will be practically impossible. Respecting people's wishes to not be on film while providing videos of the talks is a solved problem: we designate do not film areas of the audience, and make it clear to people that if they don't want to be caught on the videos they need to sit in these areas. (Due to the particular room configurations and camera angles in place this time, the do not film area was somewhere outside the talk room and watch the talk via the stream. But that's largely beside the point, given the high quality of our realtime streaming and the fact that if you don't want to be on camera you shouldn't be reaching for the microphone either.) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Do not photograph checkbox in registration
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:03:05AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: I'd love to hear from people like Micah who did check the box and who were frustrated this year if they think such a solution would work well. I am in the same position as Micah, especially since I've been raising this issue for many years, and since I generally don't want my photos released in public space. Differently coloured lanyards would work under three conditions: 1. people actually respect them, 2. we find 95%-proof means to blur people with those lanyards, and 3. those people always wear those lanyards when cameras are around. But I think that all three of those fail: 1. In the heat of the moment, you might not see the lanyard; 2. Having done picture analysis for many years, this is neigh impossible. It could be done by a human. Are we ready to expect this from everyone, at the risk of demotivating e.g. Aigars? 3. I do take my lanyard off occasionally, e.g. when playing Frisbee, or at the pub. What now? Any solution that you come up with is going to be at the discretion of the photographers to conform to, because the law is not on the side of the photograph's subject where public spaces are concerned. So the only question is whether we think that there's a reasonably-complete solution that's worth implementing. As someone who doesn't personally share these concerns (there are already plenty of bad photos of me on the Internet, what's a few more?), I don't think my own opinion here matters much wrt worth implementing. I can only apologize as an organizer for not doing a better job of raising the visibility of people's no-photo preference in a way that would matter. I do agree that we should *either* stop asking this question, *or* make use of it in some meaningful way. Perhaps the sensible thing to do here for now is to hide the field in summit, and if someone does come up with a plan for using it in the future, we can reverse that. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Do not photograph checkbox in registration
Hi Paul, On Sun, Sep 07, 2014 at 10:15:16PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: In practice, the attendees I'm thinking of watched talks from outside rooms and didn't participate in discussions. One attendee I spoke to had adverse consequences due to be photographed and identified in a photo. I don't remember the details and wouldn't mention them here anyway. If this is in regards to something that happened at DebConf, the team would certainly appreciate knowing about it: feedb...@debconf.org. Thanks, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-team] [Debconf-announce] First videos are now online
On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 05:27:46PM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Carl Karsten c...@nextdayvideo.com wrote: the good news is the string and summit db key is here: http://veyepar.nextdayvideo.com/main/C/debian/S/debconf14.json slug: HPs_OpenStack_Helion_Debian_all_the_way_down, conf_url: https://summit.debconf.org/debconf14/meeting/134/hps-openstack-helion-debian-all-the-way-down/;, conf_key: 134, state: 3 or above are the videos that have been encoded and I expect to find them in http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2014/debconf14/ As I said on IRC a few times, I still think it would make sense to prefix this ID to all talk names. Though, arguably, the longer this does not happen, the less use it is. From the point of view of what I'm trying to achieve (auto-generate deep links from summit to the correct video files), it would be far preferable for the file name to encode *only* the event ID, and not the name at all. Would it be possible to provide these as compatibility links on the server? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] First videos are now online
Hi Alberto, On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 07:45:51PM +0200, alberto fuentes wrote: On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org wrote: One of the things I wanted to address post-DebConf14 is to make sure the event pages in summit.debconf.org include direct links to the video recordings. Can you tell me if there's a reliable naming scheme for these files? E.g., it appears spaces are replaced by underscores, and several punctuation characters are removed. Is the filename schema available in code form? Please, consider linking the videos via the links to amara.org provided in the subs wiki [0] Notice that amara does not host the files, only the subtitles... but adds both a player that is able to show the subtitles and a some interface to edit such subtitles I know is ugly to link to some external website... frankly, I dont know how else to do it. Amara is free software but is not packaged into debian. Ill try to get some instance up for the next year... but I havent looked into it yet. For now, this will have to do. I'm not willing to link to a non-Debian resource for the videos. In the past, I know we've hosted the subtitles next to the videos on meetings-archive (e.g., http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2013/debconf13/subtitles/). Surely we should do this again? There's probably some work to be done to support better integration and discoverability of the subtitles. I'm not sure if in-browser integration is what we're looking for... I'm also not sure what the state of the art is for downloading subtitles together with video files, since I tend not to be a heavy user of them. If linking to a landing page that wraps the .webm+.srt is the best available option, then I'm ok with that, but: - it needs to be on a Debian host - the page needs to include links to the raw files on meetings-archive - the URLs need to be *deterministic* without the use of external code (i.e., the current amara.org URLs include some kind of hash - hash of what and using what algorithm, I have no idea, but I'm not going to have summit trying to link to them). BTW, this seems to be the first mention of amara on this list. Maybe you want to post a more targeted announcement? I see that you are part of the DebConf Subtitle Team (https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debconfsubs/) so presume this is the legit, agreed-upon workflow and should get more attention. The subtitles will be available outside amara.org once they are finished. But they are not... and will not be unless they are promoted and exposed to the people interested in watching those videos in the first place I like the crowdsourcing aspect, but would still need the above addressed before we could direct viewers through those pages. Thanks, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Code of Conduct violations handling process
On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 12:29:36PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: I think more guidance for the teams involved would be helpful. The Debconf and Debian CoC statements are too difficult to amend. The DC and Debian teams should develop a process document which those responsible would use to guide their actions. That document should: * Give some examples of behaviours with in each case the appropriate response. This will greatly assist the decisionmaking team. Has the decisionmaking team indicated that they have any difficulty making decisions in the absence of such a guide? I think this recommendation is motivated by a disagreement with the outcome of the complaint you raised because they did not side with you, and not out of any genuine sympathy for their supposed plight. * Say who is responsible for dealing with complaints about bad behaviour occurring at (or associated with) Debian conferences and meetings. Complaints can be made to the organizers by contacting the registration desk or emailing antiharassm...@debian.org. All complaints made to event organizers will remain confidential and be taken seriously. The complaint will be treated appropriately and with discretion. This doesn't seem ambiguous to me? In the particular incident prompting this thread, I understand that you sent a mail to antiharassm...@debian.org; and that you subsequently followed up with a member of the antiharassment team in person, who told you that they did not consider the incident at hand a CoC violation and did not intend to take any further action against an individual who was no longer at the conference. It's possible that you were unaware that the person in question was a member of the anti-harassment team, and that you were approaching them in their capacity as a member of the DebConf team? See Anti-harassment on https://www.debian.org/intro/organization#support for reference. It's also possible that, as a matter of course, we should ensure that the antiharassment team responds timely in writing to all complaints, even if there is an out-of-band follow-up. It seems to me that a conference raises different issues to the mostly online interactions in the rest of the project. The nature of violations is likely to be different; the evidential basis is going to be different; and the required timescale for a response is much shorter. ISTM therefore that CoC complaints about behaviour at (or associated with) a Debian event such as a conference should be dealt with by the conference team (or a subteam of the conference team). This is a reasonable requirement. It would certainly need to be a subteam, not the team as a whole; if we want responses to such issues that are both timely and measured, the very last thing you want to do is pile the responsibility on top of the general heap of conference-related duties. However, I'm not sure how this proposal differs from what we already have. The folks behind the antiharassm...@debian.org address are there precisely because they've volunteered to be responsible for handling such matters at conferences (not on the lists... if there are problems on the lists, the listmasters already have the authority to take action). And two of the three members of that team were physically present at the conference and were most certainly part of the on-the-ground conference team this year. * State that decisions on the appropriate response to a violation should be made without involvement of the DPL or the press team, and should be without fear or favour (whether towards complainant or accused). It is obviously incorrect for a CoC violation to be referred to either the DPL or the press team. However, in the case at hand, the antiharassment team *did not agree* that a CoC violation had occurred; and AIUI they referred the matter to the DPL on the grounds that you were requesting a specific remedy that was entirely out of scope for the antiharassment team. Perhaps the point is that the antiharassment team should never make such referrals, but instead leave it to the complainant to determine whether they wish to pursue other remedies via Debian's political channels? That seems a reasonable principle, in keeping with the overall expectation of confidentiality. * Outline our approach to violations by guest speakers, or other parties who attend the conference (or associated events) only briefly, where it is not possible to eject the violator (nor to threaten to, in order to extract an apology and promise of better behaviour). To what end? The stated purpose of the CoC is to ensure that our conference is a safe space for all members of the Debian community. In what way would a change in approach to dealing with a violation after the fact, where the offender is no longer at the conference, further that goal? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] First videos are now online
Hi Richard, On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:10:29PM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: the first videos are now online and ready for your consumption: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2014/debconf14/ One of the things I wanted to address post-DebConf14 is to make sure the event pages in summit.debconf.org include direct links to the video recordings. Can you tell me if there's a reliable naming scheme for these files? E.g., it appears spaces are replaced by underscores, and several punctuation characters are removed. Is the filename schema available in code form? The videos for 2014 are also in webm format, where http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2013/debconf13/ shows a series of different formats. Should we expect other file formats to be coming later? Is there a reason to link to one file format vs. another as a default? Thanks, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Lost yubikey
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 09:10:24PM -0700, Alexander Wirt wrote: if someone found a yubikey (neo) that is looking after me, please tell me. It seems I lost mine. It was in the frontdesk lost and found, and has been returned! -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] check-out hints
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 12:16:51AM -0400, Eric Dorland wrote: * Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org) wrote: As DebConf comes to a close and the masses prepare to depart, some brief notes about leaving. * Check-out time from the PSU dorms is 10am on your scheduled day of departure. If you need to check out after this time, you will need to make arrangements with the PSU front desk in Broadway 210. Does checking out just involve bringing our key to the office on the second floor? Yes. If you're leaving before the office opens in the morning, there is a drop box for the key. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Summit discussion on Thursday, 11:00am (18:00 UTC)
Hi Cate, On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:08:21AM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: On 27.08.2014 00:26, martin f krafft wrote: as you may know, DC14 uses a new conference management system (summit) and we are rather happy with it. But there are obviously aspects that need improvement. We will meet on Thursday at 11 in room 338 to discuss the future of Summit and DebConf. I've few comments. We have some problem on sso, people some are registering with both debian and alioth, which cause some confusion. Could we link debian and alioth accounts? Should we improve the login page? I had a hallway discussion with Enrico Zini about this here; he's interested in streamlining the SSO handling to address exactly this, normalizing so that Debian developers would always log in via Debian SSO and alioth would be used only for non-DDs. Implementing this thing we all agree on is left as an exercise for the relevant system maintainers. Maybe we should start again summit from upstream (and with some discussion with upstream), so to make think more generalized (for all debconf) and cleaner schema. I disagree. I think we should instead leverage django's top-notch schema migration support, to continue forward from our currently working deployment while normalizing for multiple DebConfs, and working with upstream to merge our schema extensions. This lets us carry forward our data intact in a retrievable fashion. [ - On deployment a reference from attendee_id to user_id was lost I'm not sure what you mean here. - bursaries info are in different table need_food are never in the same table as need_accommodation Yes; they're part of the same django class, which means that the table joins are transparent if you're using the ORM. Upstreaming our model extensions would certainly let us make this simpler for those doing SQL queries. (And upstreaming our model extensions would also let us better tailor the code in various places which I've avoided touching because they would require extensive changes to cope with our current subclassing.) Roles are still confusing (and not so much used). We need to improve this, so to delegate more. What other roles are you looking for here? And IMHO we disclose too much information in schedule. Fix in progress :) Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Coffee tomorrow
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 01:27:00PM -0700, Matthew Vernon wrote: Last Sunday, the Ola Latte cart was open by special arrangement, and it was good. Is it going to be open tomorrow, does anyone know? Yes, it is. The hours I've been told they'll be open are 9am to 1:30pm. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf14: Last call for keys for keysigning in Portland, Oregon, USA
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 08:58:14AM +1000, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: https://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc14/ksp-dc14.txt After downloading the files, check the signatures and then the sha256 hashes. The webpage at [0] explains how to do that. [0] https://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc14/ksp-dc14.html The encoding for the .txt files is ISO-8859-1. Next year it will be UTF-8. How was this file produced? caff (from signing-party) has support for reading an annotated gpgparticipants file as input for ease of signing. But the file that was provided for this KSP does not match the format expected by caff (nor the format generated by current versions of gpgparticipants). It's a real shame that year over year we aren't getting any better at using the tools available for running key signing parties efficiently and instead continue to rely on lots of annoying manual verification and transcription of checksums on the part of party participants. It's also a shame that you are publishing supplementary files as part of the ksp prep that have no relevance to the cryptographic protocol in effect (such as the condensed file, which is insufficiently condensed for reasonable printing because it contains information that's superfluous for note taking, and useless for the actual verification protocol because it lacks crucial information *and* is not the file we exchange checksums on). Publishing these supplemental files can only mislead participants into using them in ways that they should not. For next year, please correct this. Publish only the keyring file and the gpgparticipants output - no superfluous detached signatures, checksum files, or extra condensed text files - and ensure that they work with the signing-party suite, so that we're able to leverage the work done on producing small and auditable tools for KSP protocols instead of relying on excessive and unacceptable amounts of manual and error-prone work on the part of KSP participants. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Any papers for sponsorship?
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 04:50:18PM -0700, Hideki Yamane wrote: For sponsorship, probably we need to sign some papers, right? Then, where should I go to do so? http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20140822.080312.3082e0d6.en.html Sorry for the suboptimal email title :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debconf - how to run a packaging workshop
Hi Dominic, On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 06:05:08PM -0700, Dominic Hargreaves wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 01:52:21PM +0100, Matthew Vernon wrote: Dominic Hargreaves d...@earth.li writes: I've agreed to give a one day Debian packaging workshop at $dayjob aimed at sysadmins and developers, and I'd be interested in hearing from those who have already run similar sessions to get advice/tips for how to approach such a thing. Would there be any interest at attending/contributing to such a session at Debconf? I'd attend it. I've created the event in summit and will probably try and schedule it for Friday. https://summit.debconf.org/debconf14/meeting/153/running-a-debian-packaging-workshop/ Just to know, are you familiar with the packaging-tutorial package? Will your talk be in any way related to it? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] early departure and leaving keys
If you have an early morning departure from the dorms, you might want to know that there is an after-hours key drop on the 2nd floor of the Broadway (just outside the main 210 office). -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] lunch for day trip?
Hi Matt, On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 04:55:12PM -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote: Emailing debconf-discuss in case the topic has a broader audience than just me. I am not signed up (not registered) for food from PSU's cafeteria for DC14. I'm assuming that I need to bring my own bag lunch for the day trip. Is that correct? We are bringing enough lunches for everyone attending the day trip. If you have any special dietary needs that are not documented in summit, you may want to bring your own lunch anyway, but you don't have to worry about there not being food. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Cheese Wine Party
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 09:32:45PM -0700, John Wright wrote: Any way to tell if you properly RSVP'd? I'm reasonably sure I checked the box on the registration page, but now I'm worried I missed it (and it doesn't show up on the registration site anymore). Sorry, there wasn't a good way to quickly cut off the sign-ups without also removing the visibility of the field. It's my understanding that the RSVP is meant to be an *approximate* head count, and if you show up you aren't going to be turned away at the door. (This is not an authoritative statement of the CW team, it's only my best guess.) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Let's talk about cheese!
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 01:23:56PM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: OK, time for me to go out of this work-induced lethargy that has kept me away from DebConf stuff. After all, I'm finally here surrounded by beautiful smelly hackers in Portland, and that makes me super happy! We have to put our energy towards the core DebConf activities, those that make Debian a fun project to be a part of. So, lets talk about cheese. There are many things we have yet to make to ensure tomorrow's long-expected Cheese and Wine party is the huge success we are used to (and demand!) So, we will meet *today* just outside the 2nd floor hacklab at the venue (SMSU building), in the space marked as white gallery, at 17:00. We should at least discuss: - Cheese and wine gathering coordination - Extra supplies to buy - Actual logistics of the CW Supplies Trip (cheesetrip) - Preparation expected at Puppet Labs - And many things I'm surely forgetting So, if you are interested in being a CheeseHelper, please join us! I'm not volunteering to be a cheesehelper, but I am interested in knowing who I can pass my cheese and wine to and when for transport to the CW venue. Given that the party is tomorrow already, there's not much time left in which to organize this. Can our cheesemeisters please explain ASAP when and where we should deliver these aromatic foodstuffs into your care? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] caffeine service
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:22:01PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 02:15:18PM -0700, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le samedi, 23 août 2014, 01.56:04 Steve Langasek a écrit : the DebConf team has arranged a package deal for attendees with a local vendor, Olé Latte. Thank you _very_much_ for this arrangement; the coffee is truly awesome and prepared with lots of love. Seconded. The guy doing the coffees was lovely. :-) And the barista who was there yesterday is an erstwhile Linux user... I think I may have convinced him to stop in the conference this week ;) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Conflict in address for Broadway; where should I go?
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:46:21AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: Hi. According to https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf14/Welcome#What_to_bring Broadway is at 1977 SW 6th Avenue, but according to the link to the PSU Broadway page from the wiki (http://www.pdx.edu/housing/broadway ), the address is Address: 625 SW Jackson Street Which is correct? Or is it one corner vs another of the same building? Same building, two different addresses. The 6th Avenue entrance is the administrative office where you check in, the 1977 SW 6th Avenue entrance is residential access only. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Conflict in address for Broadway; where should I go?
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 12:09:09PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: So, I want the 6th avenue address for the taxi? Correct. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-team] About calling SHC if we arrive past 22.00
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 02:54:18AM -0700, Holger Levsen wrote: I suspect the wireless coverage (guess the network name...) is ok on the street too, so if you dont have a (working) phone and dont wanna shout, do what every respectable person would do, and go on IRC and ask for help there ;) Yes, if all else fails, find one of the Starbucks nearby and connect after-hours to their wifi and hop on IRC ;P It's possible that we'll set up some sort of volunteer rotation to help with the folks arriving and needing to get in the building. I don't want to commit to this until we have more of the team on site and we can discuss it. But as far as PSU's procedures for late-night check-in, yes - it is what it is, and they're not going to change it for us on the spot. We'll make this work, I'm sure nobody will have to sleep on the street. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-team] About calling SHC if we arrive past 22.00
(redirecting to debconf-discuss, so other attendees get the benefit of this information) On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 01:07:40PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: Hello. I received the mail below, which in turn quotes an earlier email from me. It is likely, but not sure, that I will have to call such number. Sorry if this is a stupid question: Are there phone booths at the airport? (I ask because using my mobile would be quite expensive). The mail that PSU seems to be sending out to all attendees says: 2. If you are planning to arrive after 10:00pm, you must let us know in advance by responding to this e-mail. We want to make sure we notify staff of your arrival. I believe this should be sufficient, but I will confirm with PSU. I /hope/ that they will be waiting for you with doors open at the time you've said you will arrive, and that there's no need to call. But having their phone number in case you do need to call them is probably a good safety precaution. The only other thing I would say is to make sure your DebConf registration record accurately reflects the time you expect to arrive /at the university/ - probably allowing two hours if Portland is your port of entry to the US (i.e., customs and immigration), otherwise 1.5 hours. But if nothing else, please make sure that you aren't listing 00:00 as your arrival time, as this is impossible for us to distinguish from a default! If you expect to arrive at midnight, please put in 00:05 instead so we can tell you really mean it. As for phone booths at the airport, I'm afraid I have no idea. Phone booths are scarce in the US now, and they are practically invisible to me because I haven't had any use for them for more than a decade. Anyway: I would be surprised to be the only person arriving after 22.00. In past Debconfs we used to have a travel coordination wiki page where we could find people in the same flight. Is there anything like that this year? As you already noticed, this is here: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf14/TravelCoordination/Arrival -- Forwarded message -- From: Summer Housing Conferencing s...@pdx.edu To: Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:12:19 -0700 Subject: Re: SHC: Check-in information If you will be arriving after 10 pm please call 971-246-6028 to check-in. [psu_signature165x35.gif] Summer Housing Conferencing Attn: Mark Brinkmann Portland State University Tel 503.725.4336 Fax 503.725.4383 www.pdx.edu/conferences/shc On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 04:41:55PM -0700, Summer Housing Conferencing wrote: 1. Let us know when you are planning to arrive on campus. Check-in begins at 2:00pm daily. If you room is ready, you can check in earlier. Please call and see if your room will be ready early. Rooms will not be ready prior to June 19. 2. If you are planning to arrive after 10:00pm, you must let us know in advance by responding to this e-mail. We want to make sure we notify staff of your arrival. Ok, my flight arrives at 20:40 from Philadelphia. Maybe I arrive before 22.00, but also maybe not, so just in case I tell you in this email. Thanks a lot. ___ Debconf-team mailing list debconf-t...@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-team] About calling SHC if we arrive past 22.00
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 09:56:22AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: The mail that PSU seems to be sending out to all attendees says: 2. If you are planning to arrive after 10:00pm, you must let us know in advance by responding to this e-mail. We want to make sure we notify staff of your arrival. I believe this should be sufficient, but I will confirm with PSU. I /hope/ that they will be waiting for you with doors open at the time you've said you will arrive, and that there's no need to call. But having their phone number in case you do need to call them is probably a good safety precaution. Also, I just noticed that in your mail exchange with them you said you *may* arrive after 10pm. I think it's better to tell them you *will* arrive after 10pm, to keep it simple on their side. They can always be pleasantly surprised if you turn up earlier. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Santiago Vila sanv...@unex.es wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 04:41:55PM -0700, Summer Housing Conferencing wrote: 1. Let us know when you are planning to arrive on campus. Check-in begins at 2:00pm daily. If you room is ready, you can check in earlier. Please call and see if your room will be ready early. Rooms will not be ready prior to June 19. 2. If you are planning to arrive after 10:00pm, you must let us know in advance by responding to this e-mail. We want to make sure we notify staff of your arrival. Ok, my flight arrives at 20:40 from Philadelphia. Maybe I arrive before 22.00, but also maybe not, so just in case I tell you in this email. Thanks a lot. ___ Debconf-team mailing list debconf-t...@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Bouldering
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:35:42AM -0700, Ryan Tandy wrote: Hi Iain, On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Iain Lane la...@debian.org wrote: Any climbers about? Out of practice, but now that you mention it, that would be a nice way to unwind. I'll pack my shoes! :) I also heard a rumour there might be some kind of climbing facility right on campus... Unfortunately, there's a surprise closure of the PSU Rec Center the very week that we'll be there. (Apparently the closure is usually the first week in September, rather than August.) But if you're arriving before August 25, things will be open through the weekend, and available free of charge to anyone staying in the PSU dorms. http://www.pdx.edu/recreation/ -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-team] About calling SHC if we arrive past 22.00
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 08:25:19PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: El 20/08/14 19:36, Steve Langasek escribió: Also, I just noticed that in your mail exchange with them you said you *may* arrive after 10pm. I think it's better to tell them you *will* arrive after 10pm, to keep it simple on their side. They can always be pleasantly surprised if you turn up earlier. Well, in this case that would be like saying that Schrödinger's cat is dead (without opening the box) so that you are pleasantly surprised if it happens not to be the case :-) Anyway, based on your calculations (one hour and a half from the airport, as I land in Philadelphia first), my expected arrival would be 20.40 + 1.30 = 22.10, so I've put 22.00 in the registration form. So I've gotten confirmation back from PSU. Unfortunately, the outer doors of the building are locked to the general public at 10pm, and the housing team does not have any control over this. They will also not post people at the front door, because due to variable flight schedules etc., they would basically be stuck there all night. I'm afraid this means that people arriving after 10pm *do* have to call to get in. And you'll want to call upon arrival /on campus/, not from the airport, so that they can come to the door and let you in. I'm cc:ing the team again, for their information and also to see if people want to come up with a better plan (possibly involving stationing late-night volunteers at the door during known arrival times?) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf14: Last call for keys for keysigning in Portland, Oregon, USA
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 08:58:14AM +1000, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: I used libreoffice with ksp-dc14.condensed.txt as input to create a four pages landscape document with two columns. Maybe you could do something similar with other tools. In case anyone finds it useful, here's a print-ready .odt file derived from condensed.txt which includes only the relevant information: person's name, checkboxes, and blanks to record the sha256 checksum that you have personally calculated for https://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc14/ksp-dc14.txt. It would be great if future KSPs could include a print-ready file for this, or if someone would improve gpgparticipants in the keysigning-party package to let users do this in a standardized way given the main file. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ksp-dc14.condensed.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] yoga classes in the morning at PSU
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 04:33:08PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: On 2014-08-17 05:00, Steve Langasek wrote: Patty and I have arranged for a local certified yoga instructor to come in to PSU on the weekdays during the conference (not counting the day trip day) and run classes in the morning before breakfast. Are newbies welcome to join in or would you expect some experience? Newbies are welcome. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] DebConf event sign-ups: Cheese Wine, Day Trip
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 04:47:12PM -0400, micah wrote: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debconf.org writes: Le dimanche, 17 août 2014, 23.11:11 martin f krafft a écrit : also sprach Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net : The Hike is expected to be an intense hike. It's described by people who hike regularly as moderately difficult, 3 hour, 7.7km hike with a rise of 470m. It is recommended for hikes of this length and intensity to have at least a liter of water with you, so please be sure you're prepared. This hike will also require hiking shoes. Can you please define hiking shoes? What terrain are we dealing with? Unpaved roads? Stones, rocks, mud, glaciers? ;) I earnestly don't think people have been warned about this enough. :) OdyX can carry whoever doesn't make it. I wish I would! I would also happily carry a heavier bag full of food/water/hats if that makes the hike easier for others. But apparently the 56 seats are all taken already. :'( There was some way I needed to sign up for this moderately difficult hike, other than clicking the box for attending the day trip? If so, I managed to somehow miss that. http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20140816.061618.4b064f56.en.html Are you not receiving debconf-announce mail? Your preferences in summit say you should be. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] tai chi
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 04:48:55PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: I am planning my usual 6am tai chi practice for Debconf. If you know Yang Style short form[*] and would like to join me, please drop me an email. I don't yet know where I'll be, but I'll spend a little time on Google maps scoping out some nice locations. :) I would suggest http://www.lansugarden.org/, but they're not open at 6am. :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] DebConf event sign-ups: Cheese Wine, Day Trip
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 04:12:09PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Patty Langasek wrote: I earnestly don't think people have been warned about this enough. :) Thanks for the info. Since it's a loop and has the hardest part apparently right at the beginning, I hope anyone who has over-estimated their ability to do it in the 3 hours available could turn back well before the half-way point, still see the top of the falls and many outstanding waterfalls and make it back to the bus in time. :) The best of the waterfall views are past the halfway point. ;) But there are at least some things to be seen before then, and yes, there is certainly the option to turn back. We are aiming to split the four hiking groups at least roughly by hiking speed, which should help for reaching consensus within the group about such things. By the way, is the Multnomah falls bridge re-opened? Wikipedia has it still closed. Yes, it reopened before the Memorial Day weekend as scheduled. On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 11:11:11PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net [2014-08-17 06:08 +0200]: The Hike is expected to be an intense hike. It's described by people who hike regularly as moderately difficult, 3 hour, 7.7km hike with a rise of 470m. It is recommended for hikes of this length and intensity to have at least a liter of water with you, so please be sure you're prepared. This hike will also require hiking shoes. Can you please define hiking shoes? What terrain are we dealing with? Unpaved roads? Stones, rocks, mud, glaciers? ;) Terrain includes paved paths, gravel trails, and natural stone. It's steep both going up and coming down (note that the entire loop /averages/ a 12% grade), and I would not attempt it without good hiking shoes/boots. If you don't know what good hiking shoes/boots means, then you are welcome to check out REI while you're in Portland - they have a store in downtown just a short MAX ride away from PSU, and there is no sales tax (AKA VAT) in Oregon. ;-) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] DebConf event sign-ups: Cheese Wine, Day Trip
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 05:05:31PM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: For those of us that aren't hiking experts, would this hike [1] be a reasonable alternative considering time available? (My thought is just keep an eye on the time, and head back at the half way mark even if we don't make it to the viewpoint. (We'd plan to take the bus both ways with the extreme hikers.) It starts at the same point, but is about half the distance. (2.6 miles round- trip vs a 4.9 mile loop.) I /expect/ (but am awaiting confirmation) that the stop at Multnomah Falls for those not doing the extreme hike will be long enough to allow people to do this more moderate hike. P.S. - Why are hats required for hike? (As per wiki) Because contrary to the expectations of many, it gets warm and sunny in Portland in the summer[1], and you are likely going to want your head covered so you don't get a sunburn. This is merely a reminder, to help people pack appropriately... I don't believe we will actually turn people away for not wearing hats. (And in fact, most of this hike is fairly well shaded by the trees. But the recommendation stands.) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org [1] The hike is currently 11 days away so it's hard to get anyone to commit to a weather forecast yet for the day trip, but the 10 day weather forecast for Multnomah Falls says the high will be 91°F (33°C) on Tuesday. http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/97010 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] yoga classes in the morning at PSU
Hi all, If you, like me, find that your body doesn't tolerate being shoved into an aerial tin can for a day as well as it used to, this mail might be of interest to you. Patty and I have arranged for a local certified yoga instructor to come in to PSU on the weekdays during the conference (not counting the day trip day) and run classes in the morning before breakfast. Details can be found here: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf14/Yoga It's not the worst thing to do with your time if you're jet lagged and involuntarily waking up at 5am ;) Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debconf day trip
Hi Matthew, On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 03:52:52PM +0100, Matthew Vernon wrote: This is my first Debconf, so please forgive my ignorance :) The schedule has Wednesday for social events: a day trip then the conference dinner. Is there an official day trip that's going to be announced nearer the time, or should I be looking at things to do in Portland myself[0]? Yes, we do have an organized daytrip planned. Sorry for not having this announced yet! The general plan is to take a bus up the Columbia Gorge to the waterfall district and give people options from there. We do need to send out an announcement with more details so that people can decide / plan, I'm hoping we'll get this done in the next couple of days. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Regarding Travel grant for DebConf14 [from AMEY/India]
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 07:35:58AM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote: Thank you for your response, Paul. However, I believe Amey was requesting advice on how to get a grant or assistance in covering traveling costs to attend DebConf. Unfortunatley, the sponsorship window has been closed for a long time at this time, and the funds that were available have already been distributed. ^^^ For the record: committed, not distributed. Just in case anyone reads this and is worried that the sponsorship funds they were promised have been distributed to someone else. ;) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Prices?
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 04:29:14PM +, Solveig wrote: I read https://lkuper.github.io/blog/2014/05/31/your-next-conference-should-have-real-time-captioning/ yesterday, and there is a conference for which I'd be interested: Debconf, in Portland, August 23-31 [1]. It's a conference about Debian, a GNU/Linux operating system. [1] http://debconf14.debconf.org/ So I sent an email to the organizers, Erm, not according to my mailbox you didn't? The organizers are at debconf-team@, not debconf-discuss@ :) and they say it depends on the prices. The only response I saw to your mail to debconf-discuss was p2mate saying yes, if you pay for it, which is not at all the same thing as the DebConf team saying that DebConf will pay for it depending on the price. I have no objection to you looking into this possibility, I just want to be clear that there's nothing in the approved DebConf14 budget for this, and unless it can be done very cheaply, it seems unlikely to me that we would be able to add it in at this late stage of planning. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Possible Two Color Debian Logo White Vinyl Sticker Group Buy
On Tue, May 06, 2014 at 02:18:40PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 06 May 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: What would really be nice would be if someone would make another run of the shaped swirl vinyl stickers. I think I last saw these for sale back in ~2006, and I've gone through enough hardware since then that my current laptop is bare. :( Any chance of someone making some of these, rather than just the square white ones? You mean these ones, right? http://debian.ch/merchandise/ I think these are going to be closer to US$5-10 per for larger ones, but I'm interested in getting a few of them myself. On Tue, May 06, 2014 at 11:20:32PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Dienstag, 6. Mai 2014, Steve Langasek wrote: What would really be nice would be if someone would make another run of the shaped swirl vinyl stickers. I think I last saw these for sale back in ~2006, and I've gone through enough hardware since then that my current laptop is bare. :( Any chance of someone making some of these, rather than just the square white ones? if you mean those foil stickers, I have quite plenty of regular Debian, Debian women and Debian bsd ones, in three different sizes... I guess I'll bring or ship them to the DebConf14... Ah, those are the ones! Didn't know they were still around - I'll definitely by some if they show up at DebConf :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DC14 non-sponsored details
On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 03:56:52PM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote: I'm also unclear on registration for those neither SSO nor Alioth accounts. Should prospective attendees sign up at Alioth? That is the intent; all account login will go through either Debian or Alioth SSO. (Information is also on the registration page linked above.) The general intention is to ensure that people who are interested enough in Debian to attend DebConf have an easy introduction into how to participate in Debian, too. They'll be all lined up and ready to contribute! Well, also to ensure that the DebConf team no longer has to maintain a parallel account database. The fact that the signup also sets DebConf attendees up for contributing to the project is a side benefit... -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebCamp14 before DebConf14?
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:25:54PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: some people from the videoteam will be in Portland from the 20th on, but dont ask me where we'll be staying or what our exact plans are. Don't ask me now that is :-) DebConf setup != DebCamp. There are rooms allocated for the advanced setup team on campus at PSU, starting from the evening of the 20th. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] Food serving for vegetarians und vegans
Hi Wookey, On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 08:30:51PM +0100, Wookey wrote: +++ Christian PERRIER [2013-08-20 19:25 +0200]: Quoting Daniel Kahn Gillmor (d...@fifthhorseman.net): I missed this year's debconf, but i was disappointed to learn that we had to forbid omnivores from choosing a vegetarian meal. I'd rather an omnivore eat my vegan meal (and leave me to figure something else out -- i will, don't worry) than to require that omnivore to consume animal products that they'd rather not consume. Trying to respect my preference for veganism should not result in *more* animal products being consumed! We had not to forbid omnivores to eat vegetarian or vegan meals. We just had to take care of leaving enough food for vegetarians and vegans, which would have not happened if too many non veg* had been eating that food. Thankfully, in general, the kitchen adapted fairly well to all needs and I think that most will agree that food was well managed this year. It was, but I do think that there is room for a bit more vegetarian food at debconf. IIRC the omnivore food was veggie one meal in 14 (ignoring breakfasts which were entirely veggie). The food was fine, and pleasing everyone is always tricky, and I certainly don't want to come across as complaining, but I'd have preferred to eat more veggie/less meat. (I refrained from the explicitly veggie stuff for fear of depleting the supply for others, as instructed). (I did miss dinner completely one day due to yakking too much and went to the resaurant in Concise, which was very good (thank James :-) Anyway, just a minor bit of feedback for next year. Portland is full of hippies - we could have a mostly-veggie debconf, and get arguments about food instead of accomodation. :-) The organizing team for DebConf14 is largely composed of obligate carnivores; there is no risk of a mostly-veggie debconf here. ;) Anyway, I think it's a good point that (good) vegetarian options appeal to more than just vegetarians, and I've heard this feedback from several other people as well in addition to those in this thread, so I've captured it here: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf14/RequirementsGathering At the end of the day, we still need to make sure that people who have registered as vegetarian/vegan have their food preferences respected, which might still mean waiting until they've eaten before opening things up to the omnivores; but we can still take steps to set the dial a little more towards the vegetable end. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Java Meeting at debconf
Hi Thomas, I'm not subscribed to debian-java, so cc:ing both lists - sorry. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 07:04:15AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: Ioan Eugen Stan scheduled a Java Meeting at debconf,2013-08-15, 17:30 : https://penta.debconf.org/penta/schedule/dc13/event/985.en.html Unfortunately he could not make it to debconf. I think we should still meet and discuss current state and matters of Java in Debian. Is there anybody who would volunteer to collect topics and moderate the session? Could anybody please reply with topic proposols to this mail (on debian-java list only)? I won't be able to attend this BoF, but there is a topic related to java packaging that I would appreciate it if you guys would take up for discussion. In January 2012, I took a stab at porting the maven-debian-helper cdbs rules to dh(1); posted the patch to the pkg-java-maintainers mailing list, and solicited feedback: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-java-maintainers/2012-January/036726.html I got a small amount of feedback initially, but had a hard time getting any further engagement around it at the time. Could the Debian Java folks have a look at this proposal - and the questions I had regarding the necessary interfaces - and discuss how this could be moved forward? In light of the debhelper comaintainers topic earlier in the week, this seems like a good time for us to put our heads together. Thanks, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] x strike force bof?
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 06:21:02PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:23:34 +0200, Michele Cane wrote: I would be interested. For the time just pick one and I will try attend. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 13:52:14 +0200, Eric Anholt wrote: I'd be interested. Cool. Would saturday morning (sometime between 10:30 and lunch) work for you, say in bof room 2? (I don't know how to check if that room's available though) WFM! -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] X Strike Force BoF: main talk room, Aug 16 09:30
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:33:54PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 19:07:04 +0200, Michele Cane wrote: Is it possible tomorrow? I will not be able at all to join on saturday. So we got a slot in the main talk room tomorrow morning at 09:30. Not sure I'll be able to make it at this hour on such short notice, but I'll try. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] sbd want to give a gpg skills-exchange session?
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 11:27:02AM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote: I've had some chatting yesterday about how it's complicate to grasp the inner working of GPG. For example would it be possible to remove an old email address from my GPG key? How? Well, the short answer to this question is that no, it's not possible: like any good distributed database, GPG keys work in append-only mode. You can revoke an email by appending a revocation packet, but you cannot remove the address once it's published. Maybe that explains enough about the structure of GPG that a session isn't needed? :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swiss power connector
On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 10:11:41AM +0200, Elmar Heeb wrote: On 6.Aug.2013, at 22:49 , Geert Stappers stapp...@stappers.nl wrote: Today I learned the hardway that Switserland has it own powerplug standard. My assumption that the Swiss in Europe and that schuko will fit, was wrong. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_power_plugs_and_sockets#Swiss_SEV_1011_.28Swiss_10.C2.A0A.2F250.C2.A0V.29.28Type_J.29 for more information. And to known what to bring to Vaumarcus. This is one point on the general information page of the DebConf13 Wiki: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Welcome#Power_Outlets I would recommend everybody to read the rest of that page too. (Thank you to the organizing team for putting this together) Knowing that an adapter is needed is not much help if you don't know where to purchase one. I have been unable to find any Swiss adapters for sale here in the US - ironically, I did find a Swiss-*branded* set of universal adapters in the store, which covered most of the world but *not* Switzerland. What's the best way to get these adapters? Most DebConf attendees will need them - either individual adapters, or power strips with the right plug type. Would it be possible for someone local to source a number of these - preferably at a better price than we will individually find them at the airport - and either sell them to attendees, or get this approved into the DebConf budget? It doesn't make sense to me to make each attendee spend ~8CHF/person on adapters when the problem can probably be solved centrally for half that. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swiss power connector
On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 01:04:13PM -0400, Isaac Bennetch wrote: Knowing that an adapter is needed is not much help if you don't know where to purchase one. I have been unable to find any Swiss adapters for sale here in the US - ironically, I did find a Swiss-*branded* set of universal adapters in the store, which covered most of the world but *not* Switzerland. I was able to find a set on Amazon[1], 1 - Ceptics Grounded Universal Plug Adapter for Switzerland (Type J) - 3 Pack, although I can't vouch for anything about them. Ah, that's a good price and lets me get them before I leave, so I'm picking up a pack. Would anybody like me to order additional for them? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swiss power connector
On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 10:34:28PM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: On 08/07/2013 10:00 PM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le mercredi, 7 août 2013 21.23:27, Wolodja Wentland a écrit : [0] ok ok, every country is entitled to their own plug, but still ... These plugs are universal. Point. They work in all the 26 cantons of Switzerland. [0] Really the Swiss plugs are so weird: the ISO standard based them for standardization (with small change, but only Brazil will use them). Which puts your plug on an equal footing with Microsoft's OOXML format, then. ;) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Accomodation for families at Le Camp ?
Hi Olivier, On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 03:10:36PM +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com writes: On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Olivier Berger ober...@debian.org wrote: What are your comments / suggestions ? Step 0: read http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/thread/20130416.130230.a3ba8109.en.html OK, done... now, what ? It seems to me that the thread didn't come to any conclusion. And I'd expect to get different responses on -discuss than on -team... Can we expect some kind of decision and response, so that people don't make false assumptions ? I don't want to argue in favor of any option, but just to get a clearer view of what/when. The current wording of the Accomodation/Registration is still too vague, IMHO. If welcoming families is still to hard to organize, then better you don't promote this, then. There will be almost no space available at LeCamp that could be used for family accomodation. It's best for you to assume it will not be possible to bring your family to LeCamp. I don't know what the DC13 team's plans are for communicating this more broadly, but I agree that if this isn't clear, more communication is needed. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] shopping in Managua?
Hi folks, In preparing for my trip, I've reached the conclusion that my wardrobe probably doesn't contain clothing that's particularly appropriate for the Nicaraguan climate, and that finding suitable clothes in Portland will be non-trivial (and probably more expensive). So instead, I thought it might be a good idea to do some clothes shopping after I arrive. Can anyone local to Managua offer a suggestion on where to get some shopping done near the venue / hotel? Tourist compliance is not a prerequisite, I'm perfectly happy negotiating my purchases in Spanish. Though if there are particular shops that are better choices for English-only attendees, I guess there may be others on the mailing list who would be interested in this information too. Thanks, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] shopping in Managua?
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 05:18:20PM -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: I'm from El Salvador, no Nicaragua. If you take a look in Google Maps, there is a Mall near of the UCA, called Metrocentro, where you can buy something. As discussed on IRC... The Metrocentro mall is just a few blocks from UCA. They open from 9am to 9pm. There are plenty of stores, a food court, supermarket and a cinema. The prices are a bit on the high end, at least in Nicaraguan standards. And indeed, this mall is marked on the main map at: http://debconf12.debconf.org/map.xhtml There are plenty of other places where you can buy cheaper clothes, souvenirs, rum, or whatever you want nearby UCA (10-15min by car). So it sounds like there are definitely some options here. Thanks all for the answers. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Nice place to be at: Banj brdo
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 06:30:46PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: Do you see any chance to skip the part inside the city and start running straight in the nature (at foot of the hill). Renting bicycles or so comes to mind. We today walked from bus station to the hotel and passwd the park advertised for running by Luka but I was not that impressed to see trails with hard surface. - after about 1.5 kilometer, a road on the left will lead you to Zeleni most (I suspect this means south bridge but my serbian is.very deficient). At least in Russian most is bridge so chances are good that this part of the translation is correct. But my Serbian is worse than my Italian[1] Green bridge. South is... Jugo, as in the slavia of yesteryear ;) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] SIM cards for DebConf11 attendees
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 03:09:30PM +0200, micah anderson wrote: It seems like my phone is asking for a PIN password when I boot up with this SIM. Entering either the PIN or the PUK on the back of the card does not work. Perhaps this is an indication that the phone is not unlocked? If so, is there no possibility to unlock this? This is typical when inserting an off-net SIM into a locked phone, so if you bought your phone with US cell phone company branding and haven't explicitly unlocked it, that's my guess as to what's going on.. If you can get ahold of your phone company's customer service from there, they may be willing and able to get you the unlock code. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] V Pay cards at ATMs in Bosnia and Croatia
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:53:47AM +0200, Vedran Omeragic wrote: On 07/19/2011 10:06 AM, Torsten Werner wrote: is it true that V Pay cards cannot be used at ATMs in Bosnia and Croatia? Having both Visa and Maestro it is not a problem for me. But other people might have a problem. Yes, Visa and MasterCard, both credit and debit, will work without any problems. _However_ ATMs will _only_ accept cards with chips, but while buying in shops, any regular card will work. There is an ATM near the reception in hotel Bosna, and I tested it myself, as well as some other attendees and it worked; though one of the attendees tried his chipless card and it wouldn't accept it. If you're experiencing problems with your card, you can always go to one of the banks (can be found on the map on our homepage). This news was very worrying to me; as an American I have no cards with chips, and while my card is an ATM card (not a credit or debit card) and it's possible it might work in the ATM (if they support the Cirrus network too, perhaps?), I was not anticipating having to deal with alternate means of acquiring currency. So since I'm flying out today, with no time to acquire travelers checks or foreign currency via my bank, this turned into a 2am run to the ATM to get more USD just in case I have to use the currency exchange instead. Since this has a significant impact on attendees' travel planning (at least when coming from the US), and a lot of that travel is happening shortly, I think it would be helpful if those who have scouted out the ATM options could post the available information on http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Currency. In particular, these kinds of details seem to be relevant: - whether your card is chip-and-pin or magnetic stripe - whether your transaction was credit (i.e., cash advance), VISA debit, or ATM - what logos the ATM advertises - what logos your *card* advertises - whether it worked And I guess I'll be doing my part to contribute to the knowledge base when I get to Banja Luka in about 24 hours. :) On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:28:04AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: The above information was not actually as imprecise as you imply - the specific term Maestro is supposed to mean a debit card with chip/PIN, it's not a generic company name like Visa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maestro_%28debit_card%29 ... Maestro seems perfectly analogous to Visa. Also it's common (at least in my experience) for all ATMs to be networked and allow bank roaming, i.e. you can insert compatible debit cards into any ATM, regardless of whether the banks or issuers don't match, and they only thing that may differ will be the fees. This is implemented by way of a service such as Maestro (or Cirrus, or Visa Electron). It works ubiquitously because there is a fairly small number of networks which all the banks choose to participate in. Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Telephone number
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 07:41:05PM +0200, Vedran Omeragic wrote: On 07/11/2011 06:34 PM, Thomas Lange wrote: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/TravelInfo#Contact says: Attendee emergency contact number will be added few weeks before the beginning of the conference. It would be nice to add this information during the next few days. Numbers will be added as soon as we get there, As DebCamp starts next week and people will already be starting to travel this week, it's fairly important that attendees know who to contact in an emergency when they *begin* their travel - they may not have Internet access to check again while they're en route. Is there some local number that could be put on the wiki page as a *temporary* contact number, in case someone does run into problems while traveling? so no worries. This is precisely the sort of thing the experienced traveler *does* worry about in advance. :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-team] Travel sponsorship BoF: minutes
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:45:37PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: (I totally agree this is about finding new ways / solutions...) On Sonntag, 22. August 2010, Wookey wrote: I'm not sure exactly how this info will/should affect the process. I guess the main thing is that people should at least know they will get the money 3 months in advance. If it's only 2 months then expect the costs to almost double. the problem is, or rather was in previous years, that we never knew 3 months in advance, how much money we would have. This year, IIRC, we didnt know whether we had enough money to run the conference until two weeks in advance or such. We always knew that buying tickets in advance is cheaper and would have liked to give money to sponsored people ASAP, but basically always this simply wasnt possible. So IMO the (first) problem is how to get 50k (to use a random number) 3-4 month in advance. Maybe the solution for this is to deal with two different budgets, one for running the conf and one for sponsorship. This would complicate aquiering sponsors (does your company want to sponsor the conf or developers traveling) but it would ease spending the money on sponsorship: once we have the sponsorship money allocated, we could spend it, whether the conference budget has the funds or not. (I dont think the solution is to have two different budgets.) One thing that I haven't seen much broad recognition of in discussions around travel sponsorship is that, if we agree that spending money on last-minute tickets is not an efficient use of the sponsorship money, *maybe we should just not do that*. Hold the money for the next conference, instead of spending it in suboptimal ways! If that means fewer people are sponsored in the short term because the money wasn't available in time for them to commit to reasonably-priced plane tickets, that's a regrettable outcome for those individuals who are unable to attend /this/ year, particularly as their plans may not align with DebConf again in the next year or two; but being able to hold this money in reserve so that it's available early for the *next* conference would give us the slack needed to make better use of sponsoring resources over the long term. This doesn't require anything so elaborate as two different budgets, but it does require some discipline to not look at the leftover money from the travel sponsorship allocation and try to claim it for other things - and also to not short-change travel sponsorship in the budget for the next year merely because money is left. (In fact, this is something I think DebConf has failed at in the past. When I was involved in travel sponsorship a few years ago, there was a year when there was enough money to sponsor everyone who had applied for it that the team believed it was appropriate to sponsor, with money left over. Instead of saving the money for the next conference, the remainder was spent in much lower-priority areas.) There's a lot of work to be done to flesh out such a plan, obviously. If there's support for this in principle, I would be willing to put some effort in to help turn this into something viable. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] takeover frontdesk
On Sat, Aug 07, 2010 at 02:49:17PM -0400, Gabriella Coleman wrote: I think we should close it down for the closing ceremony. I would volunteer to close shop but I had an emergency 2 hour airport visit and am only now getting back and need to prep some stuff for the final talk. Patty has taken care of closing up the frontdesk. BTW, if anyone sees Vagrant, please send him in Patty's direction, I believe he still wants us to courier a laptop back to Portland and we're leaving at 5pm sharp today. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] List of attendees?
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 07:43:33PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 02:04:45PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: Is there a public (or protected) list of attendees for DC10, and if so where can it be found? It would be really nice to know who I should expect/seek to meet. I don't know if this message got lost in the traffic but I haven't had any replies - can someone enlighten me please? Although the pentabarf conference management system employed has the capability, which we've made use of in years past, to expose people's travel information on an opt-in basis, this has not been made available this year for reasons that are absolutely opaque to me as an attendee. If you want people to know you're here, you can opt in to listing yourself on http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/TravelCoordination/Arrivals; to find other people who have already arrived, you can query the 'DCschedule' bot on the #debconf IRC channel on OFTC; for people who have not yet arrived (which represents a rapidly diminishing proportion as the week wears on), or to see a whole list of attendees, you're SOL. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] it is chilly in the hack lab
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:04:18PM -0400, Gabriella Coleman wrote: The front desk has the CU Facilities 24-hour desk number posted, and they would be one of the first places to call for these kinds of requests. We will call but just fyi: Jonah B. one of our local volunteers is a PhD student and employee of Columbia and has noted that temperature control where he works is absurdly hard to manage and get right. I have found the same at NYU. We can try and we will but just in case we don't not succeed, do bring a sweater, long pants, socks, and whatever it takes to keep you warm. It is not horribly freezing but perhaps more chilly than expected. I'm planning to bring my oven of a laptop and 100 of my closest friends to help keep the hacklab warm. :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Going to buy typical Extremaduran products at 17:00
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:06:04PM +0200, Miguel Telleria de Esteban wrote: Dear all, Despite the heat I intend to go this afternoon at 17:00 to buy typical Extremeños products (cheese, lomo and/or ham) in the same store that I found out for the Cheese and Wine party. La despensa extremeña José Cantero Valle Calle Roso de Luna 3 (next to Iglesia San Juan) It is in the same area that Gunnar said in a previous email but I think (judging from the bag types) that it is not the same one that they were referring to. Warning: Prices are somehow high, but everything is high quality and even hand-made by the owner. Those wishing to go could join me at the exit of MT at 17:00. Since you've been there, do you happen to know if they sell high-quality olive oil? That's one of my must-have's for this trip to Spain. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] (Mobile) IP Connectivity in Spain
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 01:11:59PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Andrew McMillan wrote: FWIW I bought a YOIGO SIM in Barcelona which included 20 Euros prepay for 20 Euros. I'm actually interested in tracking one of these down today; does anyone know of a store around which would have them (and would someone with more spanish knowledge than me be interested in helping me get one?) Thanks to Anibal, we were able to track down a retailer of Yoigo sim cards: The Phone House Spain, SLU C/ Pintores 1 10004 Cáceres 927 090 106 927 227 752 www.phonehouse.es For those traveling via Madrid Atocha station, there's a The Phone House there as well on the upper level. The yoigo is working beautifully (or we'll assume this is the case if you receive this email at some point before Friday ;), thanks for the recommendation. :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Registration for DebConf9 opened
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:38:27AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: On Samstag, 14. März 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: I would be very happy if there were some way to make DebConf itself more DebCamp-y. what would more DebCamp-y be? No talks? Half the the people? Anything else? No, more explicit focus on collaborative hacking. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Registration for DebConf9 opened
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:39:14PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: I would personally add that, given the current economic circumstances, it might be reasonable to consider forgoing the day trip as a formal event within DebConf. I gather that sponsorship has already been tight as of the previous DebConf owing to sponsors tightening their belts, and it might be wise for us to consider doing the same. Well, we could do it like in previous year(s?), where the participants payed. I think having a social, non hacking activity in the big room is a very good thing. I agree that the social aspects of DebConf are important. But I also wonder if dedicating a full day of the conference to a day trip doesn't appear frivolous to would-be sponsors, especially in these times: if the sponsors don't have the same perspective wrt the social factor, they could see this as getting less for their investment, even if it's the case that attendees pay their own way for the day trip. Attendees that register late (after April 15th) will need to pay at least the Professional fee (EUR 300). May I ask why this is? Late planners are already hit with the double penalty of higher plane ticket prices and ineligibility for sponsorship; is there some inherent reason that it's less possible to permit free attendance for those who plan later? We've done the same at Debconf8 (and btw we reserve the right to lower the price ;-) It is done, so we can calculate our budget and people can still attend after we fixed it. ineligibility for sponsorship is exactly that. If you register late, you dont get sponsorship. No travel sponsorship, but also no food or accomodation sponsorhip. It's not as if registering early is hard. (Or that we have a penalty for people registering and then canceling, like a month before. (But we will penalty people canceling late or not at all. Probably just by taking a note to decrease their chances for travel sponsoring the next year, but still.)) Can you please clarify whether the 300€ registration fee *includes* food and accomodations? My impression from what I read was that it does not, which is why it seems unreasonable to me that late registrants would have to pay such a sum for registration in addition to paying their own room and board, when AFAICS the venue costs are largely fixed. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Registration for DebConf9 opened
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:49:33PM +0100, Ana Guerrero wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 03:02:09PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Consider how few two-week conferences are there (for extra points, conferences where work does not stop because it is weekend or whatnot), and you will probably realize one less productive day still leaves you with huge amounts of working time. Conference is just one week for about a 80% of the attendees. I'm surprised to hear that attendance at DebCamp is that high. Honestly, I've always found the DebCamp/DebConf split disappointing, because DebCamp sounds like something I would enjoy a lot but I find it difficult to justify taking two weeks off for both and I give priority to DebConf due to the greater attendance. I would be very happy if there were some way to make DebConf itself more DebCamp-y. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Registration for DebConf9 opened
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:57:27PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: Registration for DebConf9 opened After you logged in --- After you successfully logged in, please fill in at least the 'General', 'Contact' and 'Travel' tabs reachable through the 'Registration details' button on the bar on the left of the page. Please pay special attention to the 'DebConf' and 'DebCamp' boxes on the 'General' tab. You need to select at least the I want to attend this conference checkbox or your registration won't be valid. The General tab includes a Daytrip question, but no information has been provided about the daytrip. I've accepted the default on my page for now, but I don't think you'll have meaningful results for this question without first providing some more information (in particular: what will the day trip be, how much is it going to cost attendees out of pocket, how much is it going to cost the conference org). Is there an intent to provide such information at a later date, and to reset people's answers in penta to 'no'? I would personally add that, given the current economic circumstances, it might be reasonable to consider forgoing the day trip as a formal event within DebConf. I gather that sponsorship has already been tight as of the previous DebConf owing to sponsors tightening their belts, and it might be wise for us to consider doing the same. OTOH, I also say this as someone who has already seen much more of Spain than would fit in a week of day trips, so feel free to take my comments with a grain of salt. :-) Attendees that register late (after April 15th) will need to pay at least the Professional fee (EUR 300). May I ask why this is? Late planners are already hit with the double penalty of higher plane ticket prices and ineligibility for sponsorship; is there some inherent reason that it's less possible to permit free attendance for those who plan later? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 01:14:14PM -0500, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote: In the US, you'd generally pay sales tax, and that's much lower than European VAT. It also applies only to the final sale to the consumer and not at every stage in the production process, which helps make prices lower overall. In NYC the sales tax is 8.375%, and that's considered high by US standards. It's indicated explicitly on the receipt, so if Europe subtracts foreign consumption taxes against European VAT, you'll have the numbers and proof to do that. I don't know if that applies, but that's European and not US policy. Furthermore, sales tax is levied on a per-state (and per-county, and per-municipality) basis - they don't make exceptions for visitors from other states, and they don't make exceptions for visitors from other countries either. (Hmm, will have to make sure to mention in the Portland DC12 bid that Oregon has no sales tax) though certain convenience/food stores include the tax in the price for efficiency's sake. Heh, must be a New York thing. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] DebConf10 to take place in New York City, USA
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 10:49:13AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: You can also avoid sales tax by having items shipped, though you're supposed to pay the sales tax in the locality you have them shipped to. [And it's probably not terribly useful to have them shipped out of the US.] Well, no, that's use tax, and I think foreigners who receive the laptop and carry it out of the country immediately might be exempt. :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] hyphenation
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:10:07AM +0600, Ivan Petrov wrote: I've noticed, that the automatic hyphenation doesn't work at my openoffice 2.4.1 on Debian Lenny (KDE if it is important). In service - parameters - language options automatic hyphenation is switched on. There are modules for hyphenation in /usr/share/myspell This is written in /etc/openoffice/and/usr/share/myspell lays dictionary.lst: DICT el GR el_GR DICT el GR el_GR DICT en GB en_GB DICT en US en_US HYPH en US hyph_en_US HYPH ru RU hyph_ru_RU HYPH el GR hyph_el_GR HYPH en GB hyph_en_GB THES en US th_en_US_v2 THES en GB th_en_US_v2 THES ru RU th_ru_RU_v2 THES el GR th_el_GR_v2 DICT ru RU ru_RU The forced soft hyphenation placing also doesn't work. What's the matter? I think you've sent this to the wrong mailing list. debconf-discuss is a mailing list for discussions surrounding the annual DebConf conference - it has nothing to do with package bugs. For a list of user support mailing lists in Debian, please see http://lists.debian.org/users.html. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] ThinkPad links
Hi Henrique, On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 09:56:33AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: Some links for ThinkPad users: 1. ThinkWiki, THE master source of ThinkPad knowledge for Linux users: http://thinkwiki.org/ 2. The Linux-ThinkPad ML http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-thinkpad 3. The Forums (where you can find some stuff not on the Linux-thinkpad ML, as it is not Linux-only): http://forum.thinkpads.com/ Some drivers you should look at: Tp_smapi: Advanced battery control (something all Windows users *have* by default, you really should be using it): http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi thinkpad-acpi backports (newer versions than what is in Linux mainline): http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=117042 These are some great links (especially the last two; I knew about the hdaps capabilities of my ThinkPad hardware, but this is the first time I'd seen anything about the advanced battery capabilities! Are there any end-user tools available yet to make use of the smapi battery interface? (Or should I watch your talk to get the answer to this? :) Also, would it be worth posting this info to a wider audience on debian-devel, rather than just on debconf-discuss? Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] CheeseWine project progress report
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 03:18:41PM -0300, Christian Perrier wrote: Anyone wanting to complete the set of material can easily go to the supermarket which, IIRC, lies in the 1st or 2nd street you cross when exiting left to the hotel, about 2 blocks away. They have a fairly good set of Argentinian (and some chilean) wines, as well as a good assortment of liquors. If this is the same supermarket that we visited: turn left out of the hotel, turn left again at the first street (Rivadavia), and walk down about one block, you'll find the supermarket on your left. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Bus from EZE to MDQ
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 09:43:26AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: I'm currently pondering options but could very likely decide to finally fly from Buenos Aires to Mal del Plata, whatever the cost might be (assuming it remains in decent prices)just to avoid me spending an entire day waiting in Buenos Aires with all my stuff (and stinking cheese if I manage to get it through the customs). The options are: 1) Take a bus to AEP and take a plane from there to MDQ. There are buses to Aeroparque every hour. The trip lasts about 1 hour, and cost ARS 45. There's a flight at 19:55, that arrives at MDQ at 20:50. At least on the 10th, there doesn't appear to be; it's been moved to a 22:20 departure, arriving at 23:15. So if you arrive in BBAA in the morning and want to get to MDQ before night, the bus is the better choice if you can secure a place. Be aware, however, that this flight is provided by Aerolíneas Argentinas, which is currently in a big mess of being re-bought by the government after the previous owner emptied it, so their flights aren't a big certainty (Wouter just told me that his got cancelled). So yes, I can confirm that flights are actively being moved around... -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] please upload your debconf7 photos
On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 10:55:32PM +1000, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: Hello All, Please upload your debconf7 photos to: https://gallery.debconf.org/debconf7 Is there any hope of removing this retarded use of SSL from the site? I have no desire to be associated with a URL that diminishes what little security the SSL CA heirarchy does provide by inducing users to ignore certificate errors. (Hm, or maybe it's an under-the-table deal with AMD64 to make the web unusable on older hardware... :) If you don't want to upload them there, please add the pointer to your photos to: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf7/Photos Done. Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:57:55PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: If I were to crack a key signing party, using Bubba's travel documents, I too would swear up and down the street that he indeed correctly and diligently verified all kinds of _other_ government ID's when practising his art. How is it cracking to use Bubba's documents? People who do not know and trust Bubba should not accept the ID, period. Heh, I think you missed the subtext of Manoj's hypothetical, which is that Bubba sells fake IDs to underage students. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] KSP post-mortem: why I won't be able to sign some keys
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 03:04:53PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: while I agree that flaws in the actual protocol being used are problematic and worth pointing out, I wonder much more why people aren't more worried about how people use their computers: (double booting windows and) not using encrypted partitions, leaving there computers unlocked while being away, using binary only (non-free) software, running experimental packages from various sources (assuming that sid, testing and stable are safe..), etc. This potentially exposes the integrity of the private key, not only the integrity of signatures - which later can be revoked anyway. Difference of degree, difference in what we think we can prevent. If someone manages their key poorly, but we really do know *who* that person is, then a) if the key is compromised by an attacker and used for ill there's a chance the real owner will notice this and the damage will be mitigated, b) we can hold the owner of the key responsible for any damage done with it. If, OTOH, the *true* owner of the key is not who they've claimed to be, and this person proceeds to use his access to compromise Debian or $insert_evil_thing_here, they pretty much get away with it with only the cost of a throw-away identity. As always, this comes down to doing what we reasonably can to raise barriers to attackers to make attacks cost-prohibitive, without spending more time/money/effort on it than is justified by the returns. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys
. But if the KSP size and/or protocol is encouraging poor keysigning practices on the part of others, then I think we should abolish such KSPs from future Debian events, instead of criticizing people who've shown up their flawed nature. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] Follow-up: additional checks you can do [was: KSP post-mortem: why I won't be able to sign some keys]
At Manoj's request, I've compiled a list of those KSP participants who, per my notes, I saw using photocopies that included the pre-filled checksum; this list is attached, for each of you to use (or not, as you wish) as input into your own keysigning decisions. You'll have to decide for yourself whether this is an attack vector you care about, or if I myself am just a no-good troublemaker trying to keep certain people out of the web of trust for my own evil reasons. ;) I cannot assert that this list is comprehensive. There were a number of KSP participants whose keys I'd previously signed, so I have no notes for them; there are others that I exchanged fingerprints with directly so haven't necessarily noted that they were using the photocopy; and there was at least one person for whom I botched the notes on my sheet such that I *think* he was using a photocopy but I'm not certain. (I won't be signing his key because of my own doubts, but I'm not going to spread further questionable information to others.) Also, whether or not you were using one of the photocopied sets, if you did *not* personally check the checksum of the file you received against the checksum announced at the KSP, it is still advisable that you verify the checksum now in order to protect your own identity and help us detect any manipulations of the KSP. Checking this will not get you a signature from me because I have no way to even trust your *email* address without an in-person exchange of fingerprints, but at least if there *is* a problem you can let people know about it to prevent your on-line identity from being stolen. If you do not have the original copy of ksp-dc6.txt that was emailed to you, you should be able to download it from http://debconf6.debconf.org/ksp/ksp-dc6.txt. This file should contain a correct fingerprint for your GPG key, and should have the following checksums: MD5 Checksum: 9C BB 4D 52 76 CD C1 C5 AF 65 F0 7F 53 89 C5 77 SHA1 Checksum: 6D1F 65C8 6C04 D12A 9B3F B81D B953 212E D5C5 31DE This md5sum is the same one that was read aloud at the KSP and is the same one that was pre-filled on the photocopies that were distributed. If your fingerprint in ksp-dc6.txt is incorrect, or if the checksum of this file does not match the checksum listed above and on your photocopy, please let us know. Thanks, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The following people were present at the DC6 keysigning party and used photocopies provided to them by a third party with the md5 checksum pre-filled for them. This leaves doubt to the validity of their assertion that the checksum of the file they received containing their proper fingerprint matches the checksum read off publically at the keysigning party. 036a [ ] Fingerprint OK[ ] ID OK pub 1024D/C97E7015 2005-08-15 Key fingerprint = 66CB 6BF4 7C7C EC0E DA60 06C8 87E8 9061 C97E 7015 uid Ernesto Nadir Crespo Avila (seraph) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uid Ernesto Crespo (seraph1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uid Ernesto Nadir Crespo Avila (seraph1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uid Ernesto Nadir Crespo Avila (seraph1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uid Ernesto Nadir Crespo Avila (seraph1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uid Ernesto Nadir Crespo Avila (seraph1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 040a [ ] Fingerprint OK[ ] ID OK pub 1024D/BD76E77F 2005-08-12 [expires: 2007-08-12] Key fingerprint = F899 5A87 C648 3F38 5107 79F1 B97B 7C4D BD76 E77F uid Ralph Amissah [EMAIL PROTECTED] uid Ralph Amissah [EMAIL PROTECTED] 041a [ ] Fingerprint OK[ ] ID OK pub 1024D/D626ABB6 2004-08-02 [expires: 2007-08-02] Key fingerprint = D02D 8C0C ADBB A69B BF0F 6EAD B2B0 5F45 D626 ABB6 uid Marcela Tiznado [EMAIL PROTECTED] 045a [ ] Fingerprint OK[ ] ID OK pub 1024D/6A372DF6 2005-03-01 Key fingerprint = DB71 A7A1 3DB2 9A5A 3A40 63DF 75DC A23C 6A37 2DF6 uid V�ctor P�rez Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] 046a [ ] Fingerprint OK[ ] ID OK pub 1024D/5FA99A33 2004-04-11 Key fingerprint = 368E E49F E9F7 F7B8 94C6 BD9E 724F BDA3 5FA9 9A33 uid Orlando Fiol [EMAIL PROTECTED] uid Orlando Fiol (overflow) [EMAIL PROTECTED] uid Orlando Fiol [EMAIL PROTECTED] 047a [ ] Fingerprint OK[ ] ID OK pub 1024D/0E60DFAD 2005-11-11 Key fingerprint = D26B B5F1 2531 23B2 2846 65B5 5A66 27B6 0E60 DFAD uid Manuel Garcia Fernandez (mannyto) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 074a [ ] Fingerprint OK[ ] ID OK pub 1024D/3F382AFA 2006-03-31 Key fingerprint = 997A 416F 8229 8DB2 6BFC C1D6 A65F D7AF 3F38 2AFA uid
Re: [Debconf-discuss] KSP post-mortem: why I won't be able to sign some keys
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 10:28:06PM +0200, Amaya wrote: David Moreno Garza wrote: Another dissappointing fact is that some of the people who were at the KSP, also signed some of them who weren't. The recipients of the signature were lame enough not to RTeMail they got. Those sigs were from Helsinki, perfectly valid. Ask the people involved, they will confirm this point. Neat, let's add further layers of obfuscation: There are definitely other people who were signed up for the KSP, were absent, and received signatures after the KSP from people who were not present at DC5. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] KSP post-mortem: why I won't be able to sign some keys
Hi folks, Now that I'm no longer in the middle of the act of *exchanging* fingerprints, nor am I scurrying around trying to arrange cooking space for dinner, I think I owe some people a more detailed explanation of why there are some keys I won't be signing. :) The normal keysigning protocol for this kind of party works like this: 1. everyone is mailed a copy of the sheet for the keysigning. 2. each person verifies that the fingerprint shown for their own key is correct in this file. 3. each person takes the checksum of the file they received in email, records it, and brings it with them to the KSP. 4. the correct checksum of the file is read aloud in front of the group by one of the participants. 5. participants pair off, exchanging IDs and verbally confirming to each other that the file they received in the mail contained the correct fingerprint for their key and that the checksum matched the one read out in front of the group. What actually happened to a number of people in this KSP was: 3. the person brings with them to the KSP a copy of the email, printed for them by someone else, with the checksum *filled in by someone else*. The problem with this is that I, as a potential keysigner, can see that the checksum on the paper they are holding was *not* written by them, therefore I do *not* know that the person I am exchanging with has properly verified before coming to the KSP that the checksum of the file they received in email is the same as the checksum that was read off in the group. It is *possible* that they have done this, but there is a very high probability that many of those using photocopies did not do so. This opens up the following attack vector: 1. the KSP organizer knows in advance the identities of a number of people who don't have printers and will be accepting copies of the paper from him. 2. the KSP organizer emails a file containing correct fingerprints to those participants. 3. the KSP organizer emails a file containing fingerprints for *substituted* keys to everyone else. 4. the KSP organizer prints out the file containing the correct fingerprints, and writes down on it the checksum of the file containing the incorrect fingerprints. 5. the victim claims to have verified a checksum that they did not. 6. the fraudulent key is signed, allowing the KSP organizer to impersonate the victim to the community. Now, some people may have done this check correctly in spite of using a printed copy, but in a large KSP with many novices I am simply not willing to trust that this is the case. Heck, *I* got the rationale wrong for this check when arguing with people at the time (sorry, Bdale and Andreas :), and I think I'm pretty darn smart, so if I got it wrong, I'm not going to trust blindly that other people got it right. ;) For this reason, I told people that I saw had such photocopies that I would not be signing their key based on this checksum. If I had thought it through more clearly, I might have asked them whether they had checked the file's checksum directly on their own computers and used this as confirmation. As it was, I instead requested that anyone with these photocopies that wanted me to sign their key exchange fingerprints with me later, because the 50 seconds allowed per person by the KSP schedule was not enough time to exchange full fingerprints with each person by hand in the line. Of course, since I left DebConf that night, few people were able to exchange fingerprints with me. I'm sorry that this will leave some of you without signatures from me; but even though the probability of Anibal trying to compromise the web of trust in this fashion is quite small, my signatures would not add positive value to the web of trust if I signed your keys based on the trustworthiness of any third party. Other people should be free to decide for themselves whether they trust Anibal's signatures, instead of having to implicitly trust Anibal by trusting my signatures. So if you don't get a signature from me this year, come to DebConf again next year and this time don't let Anibal fill out the checksum for you. :) -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
