[Debconf-discuss] Fwd: [ooni-talk] Report - OONI Partner Gathering 2017

[shirish शिरीष]

Hi all,

I dunno if it's late in the day to be sharing about this or not but
saw this in my inbox recently. It was held recently in Ongario which
if memory serves correctly is nearby to montreal (2-3 hours by train).
If somebody can reach out to the ooni people maybe this might bring
awareness about the the project. I am ccing the
pkd-privacy-maintainers as well as they also have similar goals so
it's possible somebody from that team could reach out and either do a
small eventish or give a talk or two together.

Sorry for the noise and if it's too late in the day.

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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:49:46 +0200
Subject: [ooni-talk] Report - OONI Partner Gathering 2017
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Hi Oonitarians,

Two weeks ago we hosted the*first OONI Partner Gathering*! :)

The event was hosted at the University of Toronto on 10th & 11th July 2017.

The aim of this two-day event was to bring our international partners
together to share skills, knowledge, and research findings. We reflected
on our collaboration over the last year, and we brainstormed on future
goals and priorities to improve our collaboration on the study of
internet censorship.

Today we published a report which provides an overview of the event, its
sessions, partner challenges and needs, future goals and priorities, and
event outcomes.

*Read the report here:
https://ooni.torproject.org/post/ooni-partner-gathering-2017/*

You can also find the event's agenda and all of the session notes here:
https://github.com/OpenObservatory/gatherings/tree/master/partner-gatherings/2017-07-toronto

All the best,

Maria.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] have nerve damage in the brain will be unable to attend Debconf 2017

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On 19/06/2017, Asheesh Laroia  wrote:
> I wish you a speedy recovery and a tolerable time until then. Best wishes
> from San Francisco.

Dear all,

Thank you for the kind words. I did push a small update yesterday
https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2017/06/19/seizures-vigo-and-bi-pedal-motion/
which gives bit more info. about what happened and how things are now.

It's only now (the way the mind works) I realized that I had forgotten
to add/tag #debian in this post as well as the earlier post . I do
hope the two posts get circulated widely and helps somebody .

Till later.




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[Debconf-discuss] have nerve damage in the brain will be unable to attend Debconf 2017

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Dear Friends,

Had spams 2 weeks back, was hospitalized for 2 weeks, doctors have
told me 6 weeks more for full recovery hence regretfully I have to
take back my bursary application. I do hope to follow up on what
happens in Debconf 2017  once I'm fully recovered by videos. Apologies
for any mistakes but guess still picking up pieces one by one. I do
intend to apply for Taiwan 2018 Debconf once I'm fully recovered. Hope
there is successfull Debconf 2017.


Till later.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] have made a start of the meeting summary of 15th May 2017 IRC meeting .

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On 16/05/2017, Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 12:03 PM, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>
>> I thought that was evident in the minutes, the minutes have the link
>> you want or did  you want it in some other place as well ?
>
> The page currently only links to the full log, which does not link
> back to the MeetBot summary:
>
> Full log, linked from the wiki page:
>
> http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2017/debconf-team.2017-05-15-14.02.log.html
>
> Summary, not linked from the wiki page:
>
> http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2017/debconf-team.2017-05-15-14.02.html
>
> The summary makes it easier to see at a glance what was discussed, actions
> etc.
>
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Ok, done as 
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Meetings/2017-05-15#Minute_Summary

My inspiration for the log bit was from the week's before where it
seems that only the full log was there.

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Meetings/2017-05-08

Or the week before that

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Meetings/2017-05-01

Anyways, have done the needful, somebody from the debconf-team just
needs to announce it.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] have made a start of the meeting summary of 15th May 2017 IRC meeting .

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On 16/05/2017, Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> wrote:
> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 4:29 AM, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>
>> See https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Meetings/2017-05-15 .
>> Please fix if something i.e. some content needs fixing. Once fixed,
>> maybe somebody can announce it on debconf-team ML.
>
> I'd suggest adding a link to the MeetBot summary:
>
> http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2017/debconf-team.2017-05-15-14.02.html
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Dear Paul,
I thought that was evident in the minutes, the minutes have the link
you want or did  you want it in some other place as well ?

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[Debconf-discuss] have made a start of the meeting summary of 15th May 2017 IRC meeting .

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Dear all,

See https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Meetings/2017-05-15 .
Please fix if something i.e. some content needs fixing. Once fixed,
maybe somebody can announce it on debconf-team ML.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] McGill RVC and bicycle

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>
> Dear Martin,
>
> While I don't know brouter, I did try osm but couldn't find any routes
> between the two places. I tried all the options, bicycle, foot and car
> , in some it goes into calculating mode and stays there forever
>

Brouter is this - http://brouter.de/brouter/

http://brouter.de/brouter-web/

I did try 
http://www.gpswandern.de/gpxviewer/tvanzeige.shtml?url=http%3A%2F%2Fh2096617.stratoserver.net%2Fcgi-bin%2Fbrouter.sh%3F45.50550_-73.57397_45.55045_-73.55358_trekking_0

but got this german error message -


Ein Fehler ist aufgetreten!

Die angeforderte GPX-Datei ist nicht lesbar oder die URL stimmt nicht.
Unten wird jetzt eine Beispieldatei angezeigt um zu zeigen, wie es
aussehen könnte.

Also Fehler: Datei http://muenchen-surf.de/karger/beispiel.gpx kann
nicht abgerufen werden. Status: 404.

I'll try late evening and see if I can figure out something more.



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Re: [Debconf-discuss] McGill RVC and bicycle

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On 09/05/2017, martin f krafft <madd...@debconf.org> wrote:
> also sprach shirish शिरीष <shirisha...@gmail.com> [2017-05-08 22:50 +0200]:
>> Could somebody share how far that would be and if it would have
>> many turns ?
>
> openstreetmap.org and Brouter are your friends…
>
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Dear Martin,

While I don't know brouter, I did try osm but couldn't find any routes
between the two places. I tried all the options, bicycle, foot and car
, in some it goes into calculating mode and stays there forever

Here are the lat long of both places as shared by osm -

45.55045, -73.55358 - Collège de Maisonneuve, 3800, Rue Sherbrooke
Est, Hochelaga, Montreal, Montreal (06), Quebec, H1X 2A2, Canada

45.50550,-73.57397 - Royal Victoria College, Royal Victoria College,
3425, Rue University, Quartier des Spectacles, Downtown, Ville-Marie,
Montreal, Montreal (06), Quebec, H3A 2A8, Canada

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_bicycle=45.55012%2C-73.55344%3B45.50550%2C-73.57411

If somebody knows something better, please share. I am/was just trying
to have a sense of where the two places are in relation to each other.
I did try both the car and the foot variables in the hope that at
least one will click but for some reason neither of them tell/share
anything. One of them goes into the same/similar calculating mode and
the others error out saying 'Can't find a route between those two
places' .

If anybody knows anything better, please share.

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[Debconf-discuss] McGill RVC and bicycle

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Dear all,

Few months ago, there was talk of bicycles and Montreal being full of
bicycle paths.

While I did see

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=mapzen_bicycle=45.5504%2C-73.5536%3B45.5658%2C-73.5538

Unfortunately, that link is to and fro Hotel Universal to the College,

while I did read the bit about the different options from RVC to
college 
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Accomodation#Directions_to_and_from_the_venue,
does that mean that it is not feasible to use bicycles to commute one
way ? Could somebody share how far that would be and if it would have
many turns ?

Looking forward to know.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] advice while making Debconf proposals

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I have shared the advice and experience at
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Advice-for-newbies

Feel free to add it, correct it or even delete it if it makes no sense.

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[Debconf-discuss] possible to have a bug squashing party during debconf ?

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Dear Antoine,

Read your https://anarc.at/blog/2017-04-09-montreal-bsp-report/ ,
while I know some of the tools, not all, would be interesting if we
could have a similar sprint irrespective of whether stretch is
released or not.

At the very least, dissemination of the knowledge of the tools would
be welcomed by all, including yours truly.

Looking forward to know.

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[Debconf-discuss] advice while making Debconf proposals

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Dear all,

I should have shared this probably 2 weeks ago when proposal window
had just begin but the advice got triggered when a colleague asked as
any guidelines to follow. While I did share some things, I figured
later that bits of it might be relevant to the larger pool of people
who would attend debconf for the first time as well. Mind you this is
from my personal experience so it might vary from one person to the
next -

Dear X,

I would be very very careful about what sort of things you would do in
Debconf. Last year I told 10 things and did not do even half of those.
The thing is Debconf is overwhelming, it's pretty easy to get into
touristy things, attending talks which you hadn't thought of
attending. What I mean to say there is a fair amount of
unpredictability in Debconf and it will be good to be open for that.

For instance, I found for myself socializing was my thing (meeting
people and recoginizing people who were just IRC nicknames) rather
than clunking down on the lappy because that is what I/We do anyhow
all the time.

As shared this is 'personal advice' but am sure lots of the
experienced people could also add their own 2 bits or share what they
think might be relevant.

Maybe we could get few advises and put it as a separate page on the
wiki as well (might be helpful for newbies) What do people think about
it ?


On a slightly different context, I was reminded of meeting a certain
gentleman from South Africa who was fond of high-brow words. For few
minutes/seconds I thought he might be the next 'Naom Chomsky' only to
realize later he just enjoyed using high-brow/power words.

While I found it better/easier to use as many common words as possible
because when people are trying to understand you, they have to
overcome your accent, your speed of talking (I tried to be slow but
still) , so having high-brow/power words might be good but only if you
have the audience who can understand the context. Having a varied
audience like in a debconf it might be preferable to stick to common
words when giving your presentation.

Having said the above, there are two half-formed/half-baked ideas in
my head which people  -

1. Etymology of words - You could just have an etymological analysis
of just 10 words which are being used/being prolific in the last 2-5
years but sadly people use it in the wrong context/wrong construct .

One such word being 'hacker' which 'most' people think means somebody
who breaks into systems rather than somebody who is tinkering/problem
solving around issues plaguing her(is) system. The ideal word for the
former would be 'cracker'. I am sure there are many more like that.

I am sure there are people who have been part of CCC Germany (Chaos
Communication Congress) who could enlighten us quite a bit from some
of the words/terms spoken therein. English is a very funny language as
the word/s get particular context in the way they are laid. It would
be a pretty valuable service if somebody could provide it. I, at the
very least would be interested in attending  such a talk.

2. Epistomological outlook about Debian - Debian is weird in the sense
it has some very passionate people. I myself got inflamed (more
involved) after visiting Debconf and this I guess is the case with
other people as well. I dunno if somebody has taken time to do an
epistomological study about Debian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology - why is it that it drives
people so passionately ? What could be to make it better ? There is
much to be shared here but would leave it at that as the e-mail has
become too long as well, what was supposed to be just two lines of
advice has quickly become 10 paragraphs long.

Look forward to response and till later.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Speeding up the installer (Was: installation report on installation failure and having net install for minimal installations .)

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On 24/04/2017, Wouter Verhelst <wou...@debian.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 03:43:55AM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>> Another query, is the eatmydata-udeb available in net install image ?
>
> That's easy to figure out:
>
> https://cdimage-search.debian.org/
>
> Do switch on the "daily-builds" option (since jessie doesn't seem to have
> an
> eatmydata-udeb package, yet)
>
> (answer: yes, it's on the netinstall)
>

aha, thank you for that pointer.

> [...]
>> What types of network connections are supported during installation?
>
> Good point. You can look at the list of packages on the netinstall
> images (these are available through
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/list-cd/), but it
> requires a certain level of technical expertise. Perhaps this is
> documented in the installation manual, though? Not sure.
>

I just had a look and at least to my untrained eyes, I couldn't find
anything about WLAN on
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s04.html.en#idp71044192
. It does talk about PPPoE but that's about it.

I am guessing this part would be over-hauled a bit once stretch is released.

There is talk of having ESSID and the WEP or WPA/WPA2 keys in chapter
3 but it seems it is in connection with Live DVD's or 'big' iso images
from the content of the same page.

> --
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> rules,
>and pretty much all of them are just lying to themselves too.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Speeding up the installer (Was: installation report on installation failure and having net install for minimal installations .)

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On 24/04/2017, Petter Reinholdtsen <p...@hungry.com> wrote:
> [shirish शिरीष]
>> 3. Net install for minimal installations - Doing full installations is
>> very time-consuming. Here the usb disks as well as ATA/IDE are both
>> bottlenecks and a desktop install takes at least 30-45 minutes.
>
> One way to try to speed up the installation a bit is to install the
> eatmydata-udeb package when using d-i.  I believe booting the installer
> with this kernel argument should do the trick:
>
>   preseed/early_command="anna-install eatmydata-udeb"
>
> How much time you save will depend on how many packages you want to
> install.
>
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Dear Petter,

Interesting. While I see that it both has an upside as well as
downside, has anybody tried any non-scientific runs to see how much
difference does it make in an actual install using that option ?

Another query, is the eatmydata-udeb available in net install image ?
I do see that eatmydata and libeatmydata are both optional utilities.
I do see however that both the binary package as well as the library
are pretty small (less than 100 kb together)  and doesn't have any
dependencies apart from depending on each other as well as libc6 all
of which should be possible to have in net-install image.


On the same/similar topic though, there is a bit of news or
link/clarification that is missing though . For instance in the net
install page it says -

https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

What types of network connections are supported during installation?
The network install assumes that you have a connection to the
Internet. Various different ways are supported for this, like analogue
PPP dial-up, Ethernet, WLAN (with some restrictions)

But it doesn't clear what restrictions are there on WLAN and if they
could be resolved in due course (i.e. during the minimal installation
or later).

Looking forward to know.
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[Debconf-discuss] installation report on installation failure and having net install for minimal installations .

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Hi all,

Sorry, this would be a bit long -

As we are getting near to Debconf there are two workshops I would like
to see and both probably are part of Debian QA .

1. Installation report on installation failure - At times when you are
installing Debian either on too new hardware or too old, obsolete
hardware, at times the installation fails invariably/probably due to a
driver issue.

The device I usually use to do are usb disk/s as I find them to be
more convenient as well as having better shelf-life than most cheap
DVD's. Some good usb disks have lasted even four years and beyond as
well.

When the installation is a success, I know I could just run reportbug
and put 'installation report' as the package and it would tell/share
that the installation was a success.

My query is how to save installation report and send it in the
instance when the installation is a failure. I know that details of
what worked or didn't is in the memory (RAM) but how to save it to usb
disk/usb thumbdrive ?

I had read somewhere that one way to do it is if I have say an 8 or 16
GiB usb disk/hdd I could partition it, put the iso image on one
partition and save the report on another partition . But how to do
that remains a mystery ? There also may be other ways in which the
installation report could be sent but how could that be done I'm
unsure.

2. A related scenario is if some hardware is dead - AFAIK in
debian-installer there aren't any tools to check the health of the
hardware. For instance, we do have smartmontools to check the health
of ATA and SCSI disks but that is an optional tool and nothing
embedded within debian-installer. The end result is it's a binary,
either it's a successful installation or a failure with the system
administrator being none the wiser as to why the installation failed
:(

Maybe, just maybe somebody could share how to do installation reports
when failures happen and and send it to debian and share what error
messages to look for in case hardware/some component is dead.

3. Net install for minimal installations - Doing full installations is
very time-consuming. Here the usb disks as well as ATA/IDE are both
bottlenecks and a desktop install takes at least 30-45 minutes. I
know/have heard of both usb 3.1 and SSD but both are expensive (SSD
much more so) and SSD's still have issues - an example -
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/16/hpe_blames_solid_state_drive_failure_for_australian_tax_office_outage/

There is though Intel's non-volatile memory which I'm hopeful for -

https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/intels-first-optane-memory-modules-available-next-month-2017-03/

So, currently, one way to beat the installation time blues one idea is
perhaps to use debian net-install https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ .

I could just install that and have grub, the kernel image, terminal
interface, console prompt and apt + libapt hooks. If my thinking is
right, I could just do the minimal install and any time I want, just
edit the sources at /etc/apt/sources.list , do the sources, do an
update and have the distribution installed on system/systems over
period of time having the latest X version of software all the time.

Could we do/simulate a net install workshop and have either no net or
patchy net to see how it works or could be made to work in such
scenarios ?

Are there any volunteers who would like to take either of the above ?
I would be very much interested if somebody does make a proposal of
any of the above.

If anybody has any ideas or tips but would not want to take the
workshop but would be interested in attending, maybe share here. If I
get some guidance, I would gladly step up for 1. and 3. in case there
is interest on the above. 2. is actually something that only people in
debian-installer team might be able to take a crack at.

Sorry for the long-winded arguments. Looking forward for suggestions,
thoughts, ideas, anything.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf

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Hi all,

Call me naive, but I was hoping that somebody would have answers and
would also raise questions.

For instance, one point being, what if the airlines enters US
airspace, doesn't land in US but goes through there to Canada.
Wouldn't those airlines be also affected by this ban ?

I did have a look at some of the articles around the world on the topic -

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/03/21/airline-electronics-ban-is-protectionism-not-security.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/lists/what-air-travellers-could-once-change-in-flying-rules-golden-era/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/03/21/trump_s_laptop_ban_is_a_giant_middle_finger_to_business_travelers.html

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/21/technology/laptop-ban-safety/

and here is an indian take on the whole thing :) -

http://livefromalounge.boardingarea.com/2017/03/22/transfer-via-india-indian-airports-jet-airways-air-india-electronicsban/

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] US laptop ban and DebConf

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Dear all,
How are we to know if we are affected by the ban or not ? Most
airlines, at least the low-cost ones I know don't have an e-mail id or
even if they have, they don't reply. I have experienced it . I have
tried the live chat option at some of the sites too and at times have
found that what they say and what the airlines policy are different.
Domestically, this has happened with me twice or thrice.

I do not want myself or anybody else to be in a position where one is
under the belief that the laptop ban does not affect them and while on
the gate or the counter there they come to know that they will need to
put it in checked bag.

Apart from rough handling, the possibility of theft is also there in
checked bags and especially if you have the same airlines with a
layover, I would come to know only when in Montreal.

The only choice would be not to take the flight. I do not see an easy
way out except having a usb drive, have whatever content is needed and
use a desktop/laptop in montreal which has been shared above by
people.

Just my 2 paise.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] buy/rent air mattresses on-site possible ?

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in-line :-

On 08/02/2017, Gunnar Wolf  wrote:
> Jerome Charaoui dijo [Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 03:14:10PM -0500]:
>> This being said, I admit the "sleeping bag requirement" is perhaps not
>> stated correctly on the wiki.
>>
>> If people are comfortable sleeping directly on the cot fabric, or with
>> only minimal cover, then there is no need for a sleeping bag. There is
>> certainly no need for a heavyweight sleeping bag such as those rated for
>> negative-C temperatures, as the indoor environment will be climate
>> controlled to around 20-22C.
>
> ...Which might sound like "freezing" to people coming from weathers
> such as Shirish's ;-)
>

correct :)

> Anyway, I guess a simple blanket can be bought far cheaper in Montreal
> than a sleeping bag. And a blanket is more useful if we donate it to
> the Red Cross or whatever than a sleeping bag...

Absolutely. If we are able to buy blankets for cheap which we would be
able to donate afterwards, would be a good idea.

People who would be buying such blankets should negotiate with options
for a cheaper rate if number of blankets becomes high. This does
become one more thing to do however :(

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] buy/rent air mattresses on-site possible ?

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at bottom :-

On 02/02/2017, Andreas Tille  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 02:14:55PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>> >
>> > Could there be possibility of renting air mattress/sleeping bag as
>> > both cut quite a bit into the baggage allowance ?
>>
>> Over the years, I've learned to travel light. I've been going to the
>> last debconf with only a carry-on (ie: less than 10kg). How come you
>> believe you can't fit a sleeping bag in your 20kg+ luggage + carry-on
>> then?
>
> Well, 17kg of cheese and wine might make the remaining space a bit
> dense. :-P
>
> I think I could manage but since I'd like to travel three weeks after
> DebConf and want to carry some of the luggage of my wife I consider the
> initial question perfectly valid and the thread should not be stopped
> since there exist traveling experts who manage with carry-on only.
>
> Kind regards
>
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Dear all,

Umm... would be a bit long answer, sorry -

To the question of how 20 kgs. gets filled - (total)

11 kgs of carryon - 2 kgs of backpack + 3 kg of laptop + electronic
accessories + single pair of clothes, a pair of socks + toilet
accessories

The rest of 9 kg - another 2/2.5 kgs larger backpack + 4 pair of warm
winter clothes with couple of layers, just to make sure I don't freeze
to death.

And I still would like to leave some space for some trinkets and swag
so it actually becomes over the prescribed limit.

Last year was with Qatar and they gave a generous 30 kgs. but most
airlines give 20 kgs. so it's a tight fit.

As far as the other question which was asked as to what to do 'in case
we buy the sleeping bags then what to do after' -

I didn't say 'buy' but 'rent' but for the sake of argument let's say
debian buys some x number of sleeping bags -

a. From where we could buy - I have heard that there is/are something
called Army Salvation Stores where people who are thrifty buy stuff.
From what I have heard/read it usually is high-quality stuff, some of
them may be hand-me-downs. From what I heard even hand-me-downs are
washed thoroughly and could be used for few days. In either case, if
people think that could be a good idea we could do that.

Another idea could be to get some sleeping bag company to sponsor a
few for us. If people could guide me, I could write to various
Canadian manufacturers and sellers and see if we can get them to
sponsor us with their sleeping bags. They could be our Associate
Sponsor or something like that.

b. Now as far as disposal of sleeping bags are concerned, some people
could take with them (provided they have the space with them), we
could give them to Red Cross, the Army Salvation Store, the refugees
any of which groups would put them to good use.

If we are able to rent them, then we just return them just like the
heaters were returned.

Hope the above answers the queries, failing that we could use the bunk
beds just the way they are - just wear couple of more layers of
clothes, might be a bit uncomfortable but it wouldn't be as bad as
sleeping in the open at night.

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[Debconf-discuss] A wiki page for potential attendees to look at, window between registration and confirmation being short.

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Hi all,

Sorry @holger.

Made beginnings of a wiki page
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf17/Pre-Conference_Important_Dates

Maybe the naming could be better .

While pollo has shared that the dates needed would probably be known
next week, made so that it's always available on the wiki.

As a potential attendee, I would probably look for a page like this
instead of  hunting for information in the FAQ.

Maybe after the dates are filled in, some of the first section content
in the FAQ could be taken out ?

As far the gap between registration and confirmation was shared on
today's IRC meet, it was shared as 2 months .

While that probably works great for non-paying public, for sponsored
attendees, that window would probably be cutting it too fine.

I have my own-one-off cases to share, illustrate - (2016) - SA

22 March 2016 - initial registration

11th May 2016 - Bursary granted

14th June 2016 - Visa issued by VFS

(2015 ) - Germany

1 May 2015 - Initial Registration (know I did it late)

11th  July 2015 - Some cancellations - Bursary granted

Had to decline the same day as there was a difference of 200 Euros
from last what I had seen.

Also Debconf 15 was from 14th August 2015 anyways so would have been a
tight squeeze even for the visa bit.

While I understand that granting of bursaries is a sensitive and a
dynamic topic and there are/were probably lot of factors which go into
it.

There were 581 applications for debconf 2015 that probably took a lot
of time and energy for the minimum 3-person team to sift through all
the data, do A > B comparisons and come with results they could
justify to themselves as well as debconf-team.

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Statistics

Similarly SA wouldn't have been an easy walk in the park either, as
282 people attended and from casual conversations it was something
like 20-30 applications declined and some similar number of no-shows,
so probably around 330-340 odd applications, unfortunately debconf16
final report doesn't mention the full number of applications received
- https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/FinalReport

So, at least for sponsored people, have the window around 3 months to
give breathing room both for attendees as well as the bursary team so
they could do the necessary vetting that needs to be done from their
side .

I do have a feel that this year would again have a bumper number of
applications as Canada has been named best place for tourism by CNN
and Lonely Planet. While for a technical conference it shouldn't
affect, from casual conversations, it does make a difference -

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/06/travel/best-places-to-visit-in-2017/index.html
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/best-in-travel

Probably due to Canada celebrating it becoming 150 years this year.

Visa registration (via VFS) will take a month if I apply today and
this is lean period IIUC, so it would only become more as tourist
season starts looming up.

A sponsored attendee would only go for visa only after the bursary has
been granted.

Having enough time would be a plus (+) for both debconf as well a
potential attendees.

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[Debconf-discuss] buy/rent air mattresses on-site possible ?

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Hi all,

While it is pretty early days yet, I was looking at the on-site accommodation.

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Accomodation

I also have put up an initial page about the weather as I kept on
coming back to weather whenever I thought of montreal and forgot to
write about it.

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf17/Weather

Two 'suggestions' have been given therein -

Alternatively, attendees may bring an air mattress.

Attendees will be required to bring a comfortable sleeping bag.

Could there be possibility of renting air mattress/sleeping bag as
both cut quite a bit into the baggage allowance ?

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[Debconf-discuss] Debconf Open Festival 2017 , Questions and feedback

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Dear all,

Been thinking about this for a long long time so please bear.

Last year while I personally enjoyed what was called the Open Day very
much, I couldn't help feeling overwhelmed by activities around there.

Even though when it was told/shared by someone that Open Day has
watered down quite a bit from before.

I couldn't help but wonder that when new people come for Debconf Open
Day now Debconf Open Festival  -

a. How welcoming are we to them ?
b. Do we have any numbers to know how many people came to Open Day ?
c. Is there a way to get/generate feedback ?

The above I have no idea about, maybe somebody could share more.

d. How about a free walking tour ?
d. This I could volunteer to be part of. Every couple hours or maybe
once or twice, we gather whatever new people have come, show them
around the stalls and make it more community-oriented.

From my recent free talking tours in South Africa, have seen and
experienced that most people chose to open up and talk to each other.

If the above makes somewhat sense, then we could try this year. This
wouldn't be much work unless the stalls are spread all over campus or
something. Assuming whatever I experienced in debconf16  to hold true,
it would all be in one space.

e. There is/was talk of having computer games on Debconf Open
Festival. Has anybody made a list of potential games that could be
played ?

Few games which come to my mind are -

For e.g. I know there are mad Xonotians who do tournaments round the year

http://forums.xonotic.org/forumdisplay.php?fid=9

See also http://xonotic.org/posts/2017/2016-by-the-numbers/

Then there is redeclipse http://redeclipse.net/ which we have -

http://tracker.debian.org/redeclipse

The problem and the opportunity with the above games are there are
usually tens or hundreds of maps, mods etc. so the game experience
would be fresh but would need somebody who has got the taste for it.

Flightgear - http://www.flightgear.org/tours/the-saab-viggen/ -
anybody needs a flight simulator -
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/flightgear

simutrans - transportation simulator - https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/simutrans

supertuxkart - 3D cart racing game - https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/supertuxkart

There are many more - see https://wiki.debian.org/Games/Suggested

Some of the ones I like on the list are -

a. Stunt rally - https://stuntrally.tuxfamily.org/
b. Vdrift - https://github.com/VDrift/vdrift/
c. Vulture for nethack - http://www.darkarts.co.za/vulture-for-nethack

Except for the RPG, most of the other games are/would be short games,
at the most an hour or two. While I love RPG's maybe they might not be
suitable for something like Debian Open Festival .

For younger kids we could use gcompris

thoughts ?

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[Debconf-discuss] mail...@lists.debconf.org gives error 550

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Dear all,

I was trying to put up a mail at mail...@lists.debconf.org -

Mail address taken from the lists homepage -
https://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo

Just a minute after sending the mail, got a mailman 550 error saying -

The response from the remote server was:

550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected:
User unknown in virtual alias table

Researching a bit further saw  error 550 is
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-November/054315.html

So it might have been received or not received.

While mine was more of a wishlist item, somebody who may be
experiencing any list problems would be more confused as to what to
make of that.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Could/should we invite Tangent Animation and let them screen 'Run Ozzy Run' if they want to ?

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at bottom :-

On 06/01/2017, Gunnar Wolf <gw...@debian.org> wrote:
> shirish शिरीष dijo [Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 02:13:24PM +0530]:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have been thinking about Open Day in Canada. I saw this sometime
>> back and thought maybe it might be a good fit
>>
>> https://code.blender.org/2016/11/blender-2-8-project-status/
>>
>> Extract from the blog post -
>> (...)
>
> While this movie is not directly related to Free Software or to
> Debian, I think it could be a very good idea. This kind of activities
> (in that case, with the screening of the movie "Sita sings the blues"
> — As an Indian, in case you are not familiar with it, I urge you to
> download it and enjoy. Of course, it is CC-licensed) were very well
> received, memorable and talked about.
>
> IMO, the screening would *not* be part of the "formal" content
> (scheduled talks), but of a wider social activities track. And, yes,
> we have several recurring traditions that would make up this social
> track.
>
> Greetings,
>

Dear Gunnar,
I have seen 'Sita Sings the Blues' quite a few times, the music didn't
jel for me but still liked another viewpoint. Ok, I'll put across a
small mail and CC couple of local debconf organizers, you, Matteo
(blender maintainer) and see what they think of it.

I do feel it could interesting for young people especially with the
101 project that blender envisions to land up with blender 2.8

https://code.blender.org/2016/12/the-blender-101-project-and-you/

As I understand, as you teach, this might be directly beneficial to
you as well.

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[Debconf-discuss] Could/should we invite Tangent Animation and let them screen 'Run Ozzy Run' if they want to ?

[shirish शिरीष]

Hi all,

I have been thinking about Open Day in Canada. I saw this sometime
back and thought maybe it might be a good fit

https://code.blender.org/2016/11/blender-2-8-project-status/

Extract from the blog post -

Tangent Animation, Canada (2+)
This Toronto+Winnipeg based animation studio recently completed their
first 100% Blender made feature film – Run Ozzy Run. They currently
work on their second feature, a scifi story with robots. Tangent hired
own developers to work on Blender and Cycles, and supports 1 year of
two full time developers in Blender Institute to work on Blender
Viewport.

http://www.tangent-animation.ca/

The studio is/would be closer to us. If they agree to screen for us,
it would be fun for young and old. It should also give an opportunity
esp. for the young to know of a career option as well. They could do a
small hour or so workshop which would be beneficial for debconf
attendees as well .

It might also be an opportunity to learn if Debian could in any way
also enhance, make it better for blender workflows.

What do people think ?  Maybe somebody from the debconf local team
could connect with them or if you want, I could send them a small mail
asking if they would be interested to showcase their work in the
conference (on behalf of debconf), lead a workshop and share with
debconf attendees whatever troubles they had and see if Debian as a
whole  can help solve some of them.

I could either CC debian-team or CC specific people for that purpose
just in case they need some help with logistics or something.

[$] dpkg -l blender

Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   Version  Architecture
  Description
+++-==---=
ii  blender2.78.a+dfsg0-4   amd64
  Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer

Please let me know what do people think ?

I have CC'ed the current and one of the past maintainers of the
package, maybe they might have some specific insight which I lack.

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[Debconf-discuss] Adding bits about Visas and evince complains about poppler_action_javascript for IMM5257E.pdf

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HI all,

I added some bits about visa as it seems there is only one generic
visa for people who would need visa to visit Canada which I have
shared at -

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17/Visa#Find_out_which_document_you_need

I shared both the visa application form and the document checklist as
needed by it.

TL;DR - you will need non-free software (read either MS-Windows or/and
Adobe reader from non-free repo. to fill form 5257 E)

While doing that, I tried to run the form in evince and was greeted by

└─[$] evince IMM5257E.pdf


** (evince:1712): WARNING **: Unimplemented action:
POPPLER_ACTION_JAVASCRIPT, please post a bug report in Evince bugzilla
(http://bugzilla.gnome.org) with a testcase.

I remembered that there was some talk of the same thing last year but
there wasn't anything after that.

I tried upstream evince bugzilla and came across a bunch of bugs about
javascript bugs in evince.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=product%3A%22evince%22%20javascript_id=180632

The bugs that took my attention are
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338721 and
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601664

More specifically
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338721#c10 which tells that
the changes need to be in poppler.

Just to see if in okular it is any different, ran through it and it
threw an exception and said it doesn't have support for XFA forms

So next thing I tried is to get some more info. about the pdf file in
question itself -

─[$] pdfinfo IMM5257E.pdf

Title:  APPLICATION FOR TEMPORARY RESIDENT VISA
Subject:CP9/19/14 85930
CP8/13/14 84168
02/09/2012
Creator:Adobe LiveCycle Designer ES 10.0
Producer:   Adobe LiveCycle Designer ES 10.0
CreationDate:   Wed Apr 29 23:42:49 2015 IST
ModDate:Fri Aug 12 22:57:25 2016 IST
Tagged: yes
UserProperties: no
Suspects:   no
Form:   XFA
JavaScript: yes
Pages:  1
Encrypted:  yes (print:yes copy:no change:yes addNotes:yes algorithm:AES)
Page size:  612 x 792 pts (letter)
Page rot:   0
File size:  447957 bytes
Optimized:  no
PDF version:1.7

So don't see anyway out of either using non-free acroread and
following https://wiki.debian.org/PDF to do the same :(

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Have made two pages medical and clothing in logistics

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at bottom :-

On 05/01/2017, shirish शिरीष <shirisha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Just made two pages about Medical and Clothing at
> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17
>
> I didn't knew what to write in either, for clothing have shared that
> it might be bit cold hence have shared about layering but not in
> detail.
>
> About medical services around the venue is a mystery hence that needs
> to be filled by the local team.
>
> Hope people can write/add to it.
>
> Although have to say while browsing on the interwebs came to know
> about Merino wool which apparently is something you find either in
> Canada or/and Australia and is high-priced wool.
>
> http://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/01/21/how-to-travel-around-the-world-with-just-a-20lb-backpack/
>
> Look forward to people adding bits in.
>

Also merged all the ATM info. into a new page called practicalinformation

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf17/Practical_Information

which lists all the different aspects that people can fill in.

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[Debconf-discuss] Have made two pages medical and clothing in logistics

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Hi all,

Just made two pages about Medical and Clothing at
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf17

I didn't knew what to write in either, for clothing have shared that
it might be bit cold hence have shared about layering but not in
detail.

About medical services around the venue is a mystery hence that needs
to be filled by the local team.

Hope people can write/add to it.

Although have to say while browsing on the interwebs came to know
about Merino wool which apparently is something you find either in
Canada or/and Australia and is high-priced wool.

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/01/21/how-to-travel-around-the-world-with-just-a-20lb-backpack/

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] librejs complains about scripts on the lurker page

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at bottom :-

On 24/12/2016, Paul Wise <p...@debian.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 5:54 PM, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>
>> I dunno if this is a bug in lurker or somewhere else but librejs
>> complains -
>
> I doubt the DebConf folks have customised lurker so you should file a
> bug/patch with lurker upstream rather than discussing it here. I
> expect when the lurker JS was written, LibreJS didn't yet exist so it
> isn't surprising that it doesn't have the LibreJS metadata in it.
>
> --
> bye,
> pabs
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

done.

https://sourceforge.net/p/lurker/mailman/message/35568174/

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] personal debian badges to use on our website ?

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Getting qrcode to generate is/was easy -

[$] aptitude show python-qrcode

Package: python-qrcode
Version: 5.3-1
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Priority: optional
Section: python
Maintainer: Debian Python Modules Team

Architecture: all
Uncompressed Size: 120 k
Depends: python-six, python2.7:any, python:any (< 2.8), python:any (>=
2.7.5-5~), python-pil
Description: QR Code image generator library - Python 2.7
 This package provides a pure Python QR Code generator module. It uses
the Python Imaging Library (PIL) to allow for the generation of QR
Codes.
 In contrast to the python-qrencode module this module does not need
an additional C library.

 In addition this package provides a command line tool to generate QR
codes and either write these QR codes to a file or do the output as
ascii
 art at the console.

 This package provides the Python 2.7 module.
Homepage: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/qrcode/

I tried and was a success using it -

[$] qr "1234" > test.png

The only part would be integrating it with a database and have some
sort of interesting code, maybe some sort of GPS challenge/Scavanger
hunt which might need people working in groups, something fun on the
first day or two.

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[Debconf-discuss] have made some bits for the day trip

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Hi all,

Have added some ideas about possible day trips at
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf17/DayTrip

Although early, gives more time for people to sort out things. It
isn't comprehensive/exhaustive at all. In fact, there could be some
interesting rail rides to nearby interesting places which
unfortunately I'm not aware of. Somebody local would be able to share
more.

One thing I have to say, I did like the
http://www.parcjeandrapeau.com/en/ site quite a lot .

What is/was great to see this

http://www.parcjeandrapeau.com/en/planning-development-project-ile-sainte-helene/

They actually tell the budget, have some sort of plan and also made
the technical drawings available on-site for people to study,
criticize and per-use.

Probably not something I have seen my local municipality do :(

Another thing I saw is that most sites and places insist about credit
cards and not debit cards. I like debit cards as they offer much more
control over expenses and have no interest costs whatsoever.

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[Debconf-discuss] librejs complains about scripts on the lurker page

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Hi
 all,

I dunno if this is a bug in lurker or somewhere else but librejs
complains -


List of blocked JavaScript in
https://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20161219.152910.ede30580.en.html


Whitelist

This script is detected as inline, nonfree, defining functions or
methods, and the rest of the page as loading external scripts


Whitelist

This script is detected as inline, nonfree, defining functions or
methods, and the rest of the page as loading external scripts


Whitelist

This script is detected as inline, nonfree, defining functions or
methods, and the rest of the page as loading external scripts


Whitelist

This script is detected as inline, nonfree, defining functions or
methods, and the rest of the page as loading external scripts


Whitelist

This script is detected as inline, nonfree, defining functions or
methods, and the rest of the page as loading external scripts
[{"attribute":"onchange","value":"self.location=value;"}]

Whitelist

This script is detected as inline, nonfree, defining functions or
methods, and the rest of the page as loading external scripts
[{"attribute":"onmouseover","value":"titledate(this,1482140659);"}]

Whitelist

This script is detected as inline, nonfree, defining functions or
methods, and the rest of the page as loading external scripts
[{"attribute":"onmouseover","value":"titledate(this,1482161350);"}]

Whitelist

This script is detected as inline, nonfree, defining functions or
methods, and the rest of the page as loading external scripts
[{"attribute":"onmouseover","value":"titledate(this,1482163088);"}]

Whitelist

This script is detected as inline, nonfree, defining functions or
methods, and the rest of the page as loading external scripts

[{"attribute":"href","value":"trash('https://lists.debconf.org/lurker/zap/20161219.152910.ede30580.en.html');"}]


WhitelistNONTRIVIAL: creates script element dynamically.
https://lists.debconf.org/lurker/ui/common.js

List of accepted JavaScript in
https://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20161219.152910.ede30580.en.html


LibreJS did not allow the execution of any scripts on this page: '
There may be no scripts on this page (check source, C-u)
The inline and on-page JavaScript code may not be free and/or
may not have proper license information and external scripts (if
present) may have been removed by default.
External scripts may not be free and/or may not have proper
licensing and are not part of the whitelist of free JavaScript
libraries.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Discussion about debit card usage and money matters, perhaps part of the questions might be useful in the wiki as well.

[shirish शिरीष]

at bottom :-

On 20/12/2016, Jonathan Carter <jcar...@linux.com> wrote:
> On 19/12/2016 21:54, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>> These are the questions I had asked of Canadians as debconf will be
>> happening there (in the context of demonitization which took place in
>> India)
>>
>> https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/demonetisation-indian-state-and-world/
>
> I can't see how the questions below fit into that question, but I'll
> take a stab at it anyway :)
>

First of all thank you all for all your varied and interesting
responses. There were two competing motives for asking these
questions, sharing below.

a. The media as well as the Government of the day has been bombarding
the public as digital payments and digital economy will wipe out all
evils, i.e. wipe out corruption (as apparently black money only
generates in cash at least according to the Government of the day and
popular media) , Terrorism and other aspects.

While I have used digital payments, I have used it myself pretty
reluctantly as whatever little I have seen leaves much to be desired.

Because of the above, last few days I had been casually looking at
banking and ecommerce sites as to how secure they are, just from the
front page itself.

For instance, out of the 10 biggest banks in India, while almost all
have https, some haven't implemented hsts or forward secrecy or using
just SHA1 instead of SHA2 , weak ciphers and range of other
weaknesses. And this is when I am on a wired interface, And this is
when I have less than fleeting understanding of security.

Shudder to think what weaknesses and attack surfaces a black hat would
have. I also had quite a few interesting conversations with couple of
friends who work and have worked on security but as this conversation
itself has been longish, hence would stop here.

2. The other is media has been painting Sweden, Canada and few more
countries as role models for going cashless. Using the excuse of
debconf I could ask people about the changes with some practical
advise and also ask how and when the change occurred and how was the
transition to a mostly digital economy (this i had forgotten to ask
last time hence asking now). Was it something people did for their own
convenience or something that was pushed by the Government of the day
in any way ? See this notice by CBDT today -
http://www.incometaxindia.gov.in/Lists/Press%20Releases/Attachments/571/Measures-Promoting-Digital-Payments-Creation-of-Less-Cash-Economy-19-12-2016.pdf
. This was shared by our Finance Minister today.

Does the public and Government of Canada believes that using digital
payments  does equate with  less corruption, less terrorism and
channelled into more productive use of the money.

Ummm another thing is it ok with everybody if I use, quote your
statements in a follow-up blog post.



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[Debconf-discuss] Discussion about debit card usage and money matters, perhaps part of the questions might be useful in the wiki as well.

[shirish शिरीष]

Hi all,

These are the questions I had asked of Canadians as debconf will be
happening there (in the context of demonitization which took place in
India)

https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/demonetisation-indian-state-and-world/

The queries/questions are as under -

1. How much of Canada’s economy is cashless i.e used to Electronic
Money Transfer and other means (but not cash) and how much is cash,
more in day-to-day usage and transactions. I am trying to get people’s
perspective rather than some website which may serve only raw numbers,
although even that would be appreciable.


2. Also what, if any charges/commission are paid to a Canadian bank
for paying via card/electronic money transfer. I ask as India has
reduced charges overall to 1% from 2% for making transactions upto INR
2000 in a day.

I am sure there are and would be forex conversion charges as well as
charges from home bank (whose card you bought) but from my limited
experience in South Africa, there were also differences in
charges/commission used by other bank ATMs in the same precises. Any
idea or possibility of knowing which is good.

3. There has also been recent talk of plastic notes instead of paper
currency. Plastic notes are supposed to be more copy-proof and also
will work for much longer time. They will not soil as paper notes do.

How have countries been looking at Plastic currencies. I do suspect
there would be issues while destroying plastic money vis-a-vis paper
currencies.

Look forward to reading if somebody has some observations to make.

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[Debconf-discuss] 0ad as a possible game in debconf17 ?

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Hi all,

Had seen talks of LAN games. Maybe 0ad could be another one that could
be thought of/setup as a game.

Just saw it recently got IRC op like services

http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/19007

This is in alpha 22 , should be released soonish.

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[Debconf-discuss] Fwd: personal debian badges to use on our website ?

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-- Forwarded message --
From: shirish शिरीष <shirisha...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 17:18:34 +0530
Subject: Re: [Debconf-discuss] personal debian badges to use on our website ?
To: alberto fuentes <paj...@gmail.com>

in-line :-

On 08/12/2016, alberto fuentes <paj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This look like a really good idea. I still havent bought in the digital
> badges idea, but I like it.

Dear Alberto,
Thank you.

> Mozilla has something similar using open badges:
> https://backpack.openbadges.org/backpack/login

Was inspired by that as well :)

> Problem is ideas are many and time limited. Are you stepping forward to
> make it work? :)

I have taken the list out as I'm not sure about the implementation
details. Also I'm not a programmer but am blessed to have few web
programmers as friends who may be able to help.

 I have few questions, the answer to which might lead to creation of
some psuedo/sample code which then could be probably integrated into
the debconf flow .

a. How is the welcome message triggered, is it triggered via mail or
some button as in a yes/no button by the user ? I am asking about the
backend, not what is visible to the user.

The last step when that message gets fired in response should also
fire the badge too and the badge should be attached to the message

We probably wouldn't even need a database as the numbers are small,
less than 1000.

b. Is there a numbering scheme that we could use as a basis, should we
use . One idea is to use something like 'ddmmyyincrementnumber. If
that is good/ok then we would use that as a basis.

c. Should we also use gnu-barcode to change those numbers into barcode
or use qrcodes as those fonts are also available.

If we get the above details, I could discuss and have something on
github soonish

Let me know what you think ?



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[Debconf-discuss] personal debian badges to use on our website ?

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Dear all,

From the last debconf I really like the badges that were made

From debconf16 experience this is how things work/ed for me -

a. Debconf registration opens (this year it was good 4 months in
advance, 19th March 2016)

b. Complete registration

c. Get confirmation email that registration was successful

d. Here it gets a bit murkier -

d1. I had to buy airline tickets for visa (came to know about
refundable deposits) way later, so it was a bit of gamble for me.
Luckily came to know that the airline I booked (Qatar Airways) refunds
money in case of visa refusal.

d2.  Needed a modified visa letter with more details than the standard
one given by Debian

e. Go to the visa people (vfsglobal in my case) pay the visa fees and
simply wait.

e1. Also apply for transit visa (which I didn't need to because Doha
Al Hamad doesn't need a transit visa from Indians) otherwise another
loop here itself.

f. Get visa with some wrong information - probably exception here.

g. Get it fixed by sending a letter to the Embassy clarifying what was wrong.

h. Get the final fixed visa (28th May)

i. Give final registration go-ahead (this tells Debian orga that you
are really coming)

j. Travel and attend debconf .

Now I had been thinking that at I. could we give personalized digital
badges to attendees to use and decorate it on their blog/website, a
sort of official recognition that they are going to Debconf.

I am thinking of https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Artwork going
down to where the badges are -

I tried to edit so that the artwork would generate a TOC, saw that
there is _NOTOC_ and saw in the revision history that Valessio had
generated the page with _NOTOC_ . Probably a valid reason for that
hence left it alone.

Few reasons why it may be a good idea -

a. Such personalized badges are and would be fun and it could be used
to decorate your website/blog with the personal touch. It shows you
had gone or are going.

b. I remember some people asking for certificate of attendance of the
Conference. While some people may still ask for it, most would be
happy with digital badges.

c. People could decorate with number of badges so number of years they
went can be easily seen, this publicizes the user/attendee's
affliation with Debian and vice-versa.

The only downside I see would be -

People who are rejected years down the line due to some bad behaviour
could use the badges to ill-repute Debian.

How it would work -

a. Have a script automatically incrementing the number when the final
go-ahead is received form the attendee.

b. If we wanna be fancy, we could use GNU barcode

[$] aptitude show barcode | grep Description

Description: Utility and library for barcode generation

c. Have the Debconf that year badge as the background for the digital badge.

What do people think of it ?


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] suggestion to add visa details needed in the web-form itself

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On 07/12/2016, Giacomo Catenazzi  wrote:
> Hello Shirish
>

Hello Cate,



>
> I’m not sure it will work.
>
> 1-
>
> visa@ requires some mail exchange to establish the purpose of visa: There
> are many “random” requests from user who have absolutely no idea what it is
> Debian or Free Software. Such users check conference calendars and send
> request of invitation to all of them.

Maybe I'm mis-understanding what you are saying. Are you saying that
"random" people send requests straight to visa@d.o. or are you saying
that people register without knowing or having a stake in how/what
happens to free software .

If you are talking about the latter i.e. "random registrations" , that
is completely understandable and believable as well.

I don't think that part can be automated in any way.

All and any tricky questions could be easily defeated by a good
hacker/slacker who is able to frame good search-engine queries and get
away with it

Deserving people/candidates who might not have the best web skills but
have the passion may be left behind, so current methods seem the only
way.

> Additionally, on past we started the process in the web-interface and
> continued via email (for special needs, etc.), but it has show that it
> doesn’t work and it cause too much extra work on organisation side. People
> tend not to reply to emails, or just ignoring us. So we must let a lot of
> time before to close the “ticket”.

Actually I have been partly at fault (not being able to reply to few
emails) but this was completely due to Google's inability to
distinguish between genuine and spam mails especially after doing
filters. The situation with most free webmail providers is similar
from what I experienced and have had exchanges with other  people.
Many people may not want to disclose/use company affiliated mail
addresses for any number and hence use webmail id's as well.

> I would assume that for @visa it is the same. Attendees who requires special
> consideration (and a lot of work to find the real intent), really needs to
> make the first step manually, to show some minimal interest.
>
> 2-
>
> Privacy. Things set in our conference system is readable by a lot of orga
> people. Visa is choose as a very small group, to handle such personal
> informations (like passport copies).
>

This I had perceived.

> Adding such information will require much more effort to us, to implement
> finer permissions.
>

True.

> Note: now we don’t have anymore the problem: although the visa procedure is
> different every year (because of different country laws), now it will not
> add debconf-specific special fields. (but we were not so good either on
> other fields, unfortunately).

Could you be more specific by what you meant above ?

> ciao
> cate
>

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[Debconf-discuss] suggestion to add visa details needed in the web-form itself

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Dear all,

I am not a programmer, just a user.

I was going through the pain points and suggestions I had given
(either publicly or/and privately) to improve debconf flow, maybe part
of it could be implemented the upcoming year.

While it was too late then to improve the existing process, we
probably have enough time to improve part of the web form for 2017 -

The only details required are -

a. Name of the prospective attendee -
b. Passport Number -
c. Address -

I do not have access to the webform now/atm, IIRC there was some
validation to make sure the form was not incomplete . I guess that bit
would be needed here.

One of the reasons Maybe it was not adopted is need of increased
privacy in sense of passport details being shared with as few people
as possible.

While I have no idea how things happen at the backend, maybe something
similar to

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16130619/sending-parts-of-form-using-jquery-serialize-and-ajax

could be used to send part of the form who are looking at the visa
part while the rest of the team looks at other part of the webform.
While that code is used to cut the form and serialize it for
transmission, probably it could be used to send to different e-mail id
as well.

I can ask couple of my friends to come up with some sample/psuedo code
which could be used/integrated provided we are given some details of
how things work.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Dates for sponsor accomodation

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On 01/12/2016, Jose M Calhariz  wrote:
>
> Hi, I started talks in my job about attending DebCamp and DebConf.
> There are dates about sponsor accomodation?  I think it should be from
> 31 of July until 13 of August, but I hould like a confirmation before
> booking the aeroplane tickets.
>
> Kind regards
> Jose M Calhariz
>
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>

Dear Jose,
Let me see if I understand your question correctly, please correct me
if I'm wrong -

a. You are looking for sponsored accommodation for Debcamp and Debconf both?

b. You are looking for confirmation now.

While I cannot comment on behalf of the debconf-team, from what little
I experienced, I *think* you have jumped the gun a little too early.
I was a participant both in Debcamp and Debconf 16.  I had a brief
look at the archives and registration for the conference opened on
19th March 2016  which was 3 months and couple of days before debcamp
started.

I don't think they would be able to open registrations until and
unless they have talked to all the potential sponsors, have a budget,
talked to caterers with budgets, talked  for rooms around campus and
hotel etc. all of which can be done by the Canadian team only. Only
after doing all that and getting the numbers checked twice, thrice
would they be in a position to know how many people they would be able
to sponsor in various ways.

So I would urge you to hold on to a bit, let them do their thing, they
will announce registration on the mailing list with a link to a
webform which you can fill and apply. And then wait for them to take a
call and get back to you.

Hopefully the above has clarified the process/procedure. Good luck for
your  application.

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[Debconf-discuss] error storage failure while trying to upload couple of pictures to gallery

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Hi all,

I sat down today and after looking in some detail, was able to create
an album. Now it asks for properties of the album.

https://gallery.debconf.org/main.php?g2_itemId=63196_view=core.ItemAdmin_subView=core.ItemEdit_editPlugin=ItemEditAlbum

I did all the things. I tried to upload couple of pictures to the
album and I got the following -

Processing items

Memory used: 11766304, total: 1024M

Error (ERROR_STORAGE_FAILURE)

Anybody has any idea why it happened like that ?


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[Debconf-discuss] Some news about canada

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Hi all,

I understand it is very early days but still, was online and saw a
couple of news articles which seemed to be interesting.

Although, have to admit I don't know how useful (or not) would it be
for those attending the conference in 2k17.

https://www.lonelyplanet.com/news/2016/11/04/canada-cheap-flights/

 - I dunno how to view this, as being favourited by LP means more
people should be going/coming to Canada but this probably means prices
for everything for a tourist should be a bit more on the higher side
next year.

https://youtu.be/UntbdPd8uu0

Look forward to people's views on the above.
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[Debconf-discuss] unable to make an album in gallery , some authentication issue and tor.

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Hi all,

I was recently granted access to gallery.debconf.org . I have been
trying to make an album but that is fruitless. I get authentication
failure and get -  Your change cannot be completed due to a loss of
session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging
out and logging back in.

I do use tor at times for added privacy, could that be the reason ?

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Bdale Garbee's 'what is Debian' is not recorded in Debconf videos ?

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at bottom :-

On 26/07/2016, Michael Banck <mba...@debian.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 07:01:02PM +, shirish शिरीष wrote:
>> I was looking at the schedule https://debconf16.debconf.org/schedule/
>>
>> and in that I saw Bdale Garbee's talk on 3rd july which was on menzies
>> 9 but I don't see his talk in the videos shared at
>> http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/
>> .
>
> To add to Bernelle's reply, the schedule link above links to
>
> https://debconf16.debconf.org/talks/120/
>
> Which includes a link to the video as well (thanks to superfly who
> mass-added all of them).
>
>
> Michael
>

Dear Michael and others,

thank you all for quick reply and thank you Michael for that
additional hint, that does make it easier to figure out things.

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[Debconf-discuss] Bdale Garbee's 'what is Debian' is not recorded in Debconf videos ?

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Hi all,

I was looking at the schedule https://debconf16.debconf.org/schedule/

and in that I saw Bdale Garbee's talk on 3rd july which was on menzies
9 but I don't see his talk in the videos shared at
http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/
.

Did the talk not happen or some issue with the recording, please share.

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[Debconf-discuss] meetings-archive.debian.net videos moved to gensho.acc.umu.se ?

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Hi all,

I was downloading  a video and saw this -

[$] wget -c 
http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/Developing_plugins_for_FreeRTC.webm

--2016-07-25 00:46:10--
http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/Developing_plugins_for_FreeRTC.webm
Resolving meetings-archive.debian.net (meetings-archive.debian.net)...
130.239.18.173, 130.239.18.165
Connecting to meetings-archive.debian.net
(meetings-archive.debian.net)|130.239.18.173|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: 
http://gensho.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/Developing_plugins_for_FreeRTC.webm
[following]
--2016-07-25 00:46:17--
http://gensho.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/Developing_plugins_for_FreeRTC.webm
Resolving gensho.acc.umu.se (gensho.acc.umu.se)... 130.239.18.176
Connecting to gensho.acc.umu.se
(gensho.acc.umu.se)|130.239.18.176|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 190041067 (181M) [video/webm]
--2016-07-25 00:46:21--
http://gensho.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/Developing_plugins_for_FreeRTC.webm
Reusing existing connection to gensho.acc.umu.se:80.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content
Length: 190041067 (181M), 60816088 (58M) remaining [video/webm]
Saving to: ‘Developing_plugins_for_FreeRTC.webm’

This was not the case before.

So it seems the real link is at gensho.acc.umu.se while
meetings-archive.debian.net is just a symlink/place-holder .

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[Debconf-discuss] Cape Town, Eastern Food Bazaar and Open Access

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Hi all,

Are there any debconf-stragglers who are still residing in Cape Town.
If yes, there is a smallish favor I have to ask of you. If any of you
in the next few days, were to go near/around Longmarket Street there
is a place called Eastern Food Bazaar

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4218894207
https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.9246356,18.422202,21z

If you can, could you please take a snap of the hoarding of the
Eastern Food Bazaar. It is a confluence place as you have Indian,
Lebanese, Halal and couple of other cuisines which make it a cool
joint. Apart from that, they have heavy portions, I was not able to
finish even one of them.

Then, if you are in the vicinity of the Bazaar, the restaurant, just
couple of steps going towards the observatory there is a
grate/manhole/inspection cover by the name of 'Open Access' with logo
of Open Access. I also did see that there is a van with the same name
and access which I'm sharing as well but it didn't come out well :(

This bit is a bit more important as we in India want to have something
similar and has been talked to death in India but no movement has
happened on the ground.

If it's not possible, even if somebody could get me the correct URL
for the open access utility network provider.  I could ask the Open
Access people themselves and they could send me a pictures/photographs
of the same and maybe answer couple of questions as well.

At the very least, it would be an interesting topic to explore
alongside Debconf16 .

Many thanks for the Debconf team for making it a memorable event.
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[Debconf-discuss] where to upload presentation slides for talks given ?

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Hi all,

I gave an on-the-fly presentation in the recent debconf held at
Debconf, Cape Town, South Africa.

I got some feedback stating that for some people (especially
non-native english speakers) it isn't/wasn't easy to piece the story I
am/was sharing at that time.

http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/My_Experience_with_Debian.webm

Hence for better understanding/accessibility have decided to make a
presentation which gets the facts right. In shooting from the hip I
did get little information wrong hence trying to put it right via
uploading the presentation. Can anybody tell/share who's the right
person to connect to for the above.

Looking forward to know.
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[Debconf-discuss] any debian people living in cape-town (CPT) after debconf for 3 days ?

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Hi all,

Are there any people who would be living in cape town after debconf in
cape town (CPT) ? I'm here till the 13th. If there aren't then would
book some $hostel although would prefer debian people :) .

Please let me know off-list one way or the other by 7th July late evening .

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] 5km parkrun: Saturday morning 8:00am

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at bottom :-

On 24/06/2016, Tomasz Buchert  wrote:
> On 24/06/16 14:36, Eugene Zhukov wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Bernelle Verster 
>> wrote:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > Graham (ginggs) and myself (indiebio) and my two dogs are avid
>> > parkrunners. We are going to the Greenpoint parkrun tomorrow, and will
>> > have space for about 4 more people to join by car (we're both taking
>> > cars, for this purpose). We will leave Fuller at around 7:35am.
>> >
>> > We are very slow (about 42 minutes for 5km!), so don't let any
>> > perceptions of fitness or speed put you off. (Conversely, you don't
>> > need to stay with us the whole way either ;) )
>> >
>> > There are several parkrun routes in Cape Town and surrounds:
>> > http://www.parkrun.co.za/events/
>> >
>> > It is always 5km, and it always starts at 8:00 am, and it's always on
>> > Saturdays.
>>
>> Hi Bernelle,
>>
>> Since I'll arrive to Cape Town next Friday, I'd be interested in going
>> next Saturday. Let me know if you are going then.
>>
>> Eugene
>
> Same here!
>
> Tomasz
>

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[Debconf-discuss] trying to figure out vodacom prepaid plans and woolworth's at CPT airport .

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Hi all,

I tried to figure out vodacom prepaid plans ( I didn't register) just
to have an overview of what sort of charges could I expect to pay.

I went to 
http://www.vodacom.co.za/vodacom/shopping/plans/plans?planType=Airtime%20plan=Prepaid

and from details of the voice-only plans it seems the per minute
billing is between R1.50 to R2.00 but couldn't find any deals for
prepaid.

People who are coming through CPT Airport and going to Woolsworth's
could you share your experiences ? What prepaid deals (voice  or/and
data) were being offered by the shopkeeper there ?

Also perhaps people living in SA could also help out by sharing what
basic plans they know or would recommend .

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Food places in CT [Was: Re: [Debconf-team] volunteering for the debconf by non-locals - queries.]

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at bottom :-

On 23/06/2016, Michael Meskes  wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 23.06.2016, 12:55 -0500 schrieb Gunnar Wolf:
>> Bernelle Verster dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 06:38:38PM +0200]:
>> > Hi
>> > (...)
>> > We went to Curry Quest for lunch today, was delicious -
>> > http://www.eatout.co.za/venue/curry-quest/
>> > The irony is that it is in Durban road, but Durban is also the city
>> > in
>> > South Africa with the greatest Indian population globally, outside
>> > of
>> > India.
>> >
>> > It is walking distance from UCT, but I would recommend sharing an
>> > uber/taxi, especially at night, I'm sure you could rustle up a
>> > bunch.
>>
>> Sounds most interesting to me :)
>
> If anyone's willing to go there during DebConf I'm in. And I will have
> a car.
>
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[Debconf-discuss] ways to send money to self if any travel bursary reimbursements at end is done through cash (ZAR) .

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Hi all,

While I do not know how the travel bursary reimbursements will be done
at the end of the conference, either through cash (like last year) and
if I do not want to carry such a large amount as cash, can anybody
tell/share what options there are to send money to self or home
cheaply and legally ?

I am looking at western union but any other option which does direct
money transfer between the two countries ( South Africa and India) are
also welcome.

Banks are also supposed to be one option but there fees are on the
higher side vis-a-vis westerm Union/Paypal  and there also seems to be
conditions as to how much you can send in one go.

Does it make sense to have a westerm union account for such a purpose ?

I do know that like last year, there is possibility for doing online
transfers after some time which is the last option if nothing of the
above works/doesn't make sense.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] "Hepatitis A" vaccination recommendation was Re: Water supply at the venue

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at bottom :-

On 15/06/2016, Bernelle Verster  wrote:



> The joking reply: Shirish, surely nothing in South Africa is as bad as
> a Delhi-belly???

@Bernelle Well, it's not my job to compare infectious maladies ;), but
just to share there was a mad caper black comedy movie of the same
name .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delhi_Belly

On a slightly more serious note, I have not been able to find any
info. about the booster shot as to how much time and space length
there should be between the two. I did find peripheral  info. about IG
(Immune globulin) which seems to be a protein that fights the
infection. This is also supposed to be helpful, dunno.

Look forward to info. from more people.

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[Debconf-discuss] "Hepatitis A" vaccination recommendation was Re: Water supply at the venue

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at bottom :-

On 14/06/2016, Julian Andres Klode  wrote:

> Just to add: A "Hepatitis A" vaccination is recommended for South
> African cities (at least in Germany it's recommended). It has a
> tendency to spread with water.
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Dear Julian,
This whole thread was crucial. The South African DHA-84 Form 11 which
I filled recommended to get "Hepatitis A" vaccination done only if you
are going to stay in South Africa for more than 3 months.

With your insight/knowledge I did take the vaccine today as its better
to take it rather than give opportunity to get sick while traveling
due to water, something as severe as  "Hepatitis A" which spreads with
water. although will be sticking with bottled water or filtered water
as much as possible.

I would suggest to put out a mass e-mail as this in the other
attendees interest to get vaccinated.

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[Debconf-discuss] status of the showmebox initiative ?

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Hi all,

Just wanted to know the what is the status quo of the showmebox
initiative that Bernelle had. Has there been any participation either
locally or internationally for the showmebox initiative or has this
been deferred ?

I ask as I saw https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay and
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware and neither
of the two mention the showmebox initiative anywhere.

If there is or has been participation, please let me know and put it
up on either of the two wikis which will also inspire/goad me into
getting touch with the open data folks and trying to get them to
contribute some small/big visualization for the initiative.

Looking forward to know.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Last call for keys for keysigning in Cape Town, South Africa

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Hi all,

I have a query -

While I understand the web of trust which is one of the major parts of
keysigning and the process is detailed at
https://www.debian.org/events/keysigning . Where it fails me is that
WoT has little or no value to a person who doesn't want or have any
uploading rights to the debian archive.

The only argument given for WoT for non-technical peopel is the case
where you need to prove your electronic identity to another entity
who's also unknown but you need to prove your identity as Jacob
Appelbaum is shown doing in citizenfour but such instances are pretty
rare.

Is there any other compelling reason for non-technical, contributors
having no upload rights to use WoT , apart from being part of an
awesome developer's key  ?

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[Debconf-discuss] chip-and-pin ATM cards at South Africa ATMS

[shirish शिरीष]

Hi all,

Few weeks back, I had applied for international debit card. Soon I got
one. Reading the literature which came with the card, came to know
that the card works on magnetic strip technology when used
domestically and uses chip-and-pin or Online Debit System as shared in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debit_card

Now I don't know about South Africa, but in India there are still a
majority of ATM's who only use the magnetic strip for authentication
purposes and haven't moved on to the more supposedly secure system of
chip-and-pin/Online Debit System as is supposedly the case in Europe
and States.

Can somebody share if they know what the situation in South Africa
about the above ?

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] clothes, dress code for debconf

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Hi all,



All of the above was pretty useful so I just dumped it at
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Clothing_and_Dress_code . For
the record, the only time I'll be nude will be at a nudist camp ;)
otherwise the clothes remain :)

While it is some days out, I needed to  know if I would need to shop
for clothes or something, hence the inputs are and will be valuable in
the choice of clothes I pack. I do hope to pack few FOSS t-shirts that
I have from over the years :)

I hope the wiki entry becomes useful to people as this discussion has
been to me :)

Thank you all for your suggestions and improvements.

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[Debconf-discuss] clothes, dress code for debconf

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Hi all,

I have made a link for clothing in debconf in logistics. I tried to
figure out if there was something in either the debconf-discuss or
debconf-team archives but was only able to dig out past threads,
nothing about the current event. And I don't want to blindly re-use
the instructions which were there in some other event as local culture
and people who are hosting us would probably be better to guide us.

Can somebody share some guidelines for debconf. I know it is and can
be a touchy subject as clothes are pretty much a combination of
personal styles and the culture where we come from. But if there any
guidelines, would be good to know and share. For Indians, for example
I can share that it probably would be a good idea to have either thick
cotton t-shirts just to make sure that you don't get cold. Have no
idea about t-shirts, three-fourths, shorts, tank tops, trousers and
all the different clothes which make a person unique.

Looking for guidance, will also help in making correct choices, both
for the conference as well as going out into the city.
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[Debconf-discuss] what is the work of the participant assistance team ?

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Hi all,

I saw https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/ParticipantAssistance
but it's empty. Can somebody fill in as to what roles are there in
being part of the team here ?

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[Debconf-discuss] cape town weather for debconf 16 vis-a-vis indian weather - seems would be winterish.

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Hi all,
While people should explore as many weather online resources, here's
one I found which gives averages about countries and cities with some
statistics. weatherbase.com

For instance, here's from my city vis-a-vis Cape Town, South Africa -

Pune, India - 
http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php3?s=36034=Pune--Agriculture-College-

Cape Town, South Africa -
http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php3?s=61886=Cape-Town-South-Africa

and a bit more precise -

http://www.weatherbase.com/weather/weather.php3?s=605011=Rondebosch-Western-Cape

At least from my perspective , it would be wintrish.

Have added a page to the wiki showcasing the above, feel free to
delete/revert/add some info. or some points at
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf16/Weather
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] FYI: Terror warning for Cape Town

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On 05/06/2016, shirish शिरीष <shirisha...@gmail.com> wrote:



> see
> http://www.statista.com/statistics/193533/growth-of-global-air-traffic-passenger-demand/
>

a bit more "ammunition"

http://www.iata.org/pressroom/pr/Pages/2016-02-04-01.aspx

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] FYI: Terror warning for Cape Town

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add at bottom :-

On 04/06/2016, Steven Chamberlain  wrote:
> Steven Chamberlain wrote:
>> Michael Prokop wrote:
>> > "The U.S. Diplomatic Mission to South Africa informs U.S. citizens
>> > that the U.S. government has received information that terrorists[...]
>>
>> *sigh* a similar notice was posted for UK citizens:
>> https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/south-africa.atom
>
> Oh, and bear that in mind too if travelling to Germany!
> Or to France, or Spain...
>
> https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/germany/terrorism
> "There is a high threat from terrorism. Attacks could be indiscriminate"
>
> The UK's homeland threat level is "severe", so I actually may be safer
> by travelling than not...
>
> Regards,
> --
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> ste...@pyro.eu.org
>

You could add india to that list -

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/india/terrorism

In fact there should be one more high-profile attack that should have
been included in that list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Pathankot_attack

While people are free to make their own minds, I would argue giving
into irrational fear would let them (the terrorists) win even without
firing a single shot.

Incidentally, since the terrorist attacks have happened over a decade
and more, air travel has only gone up,

see 
http://www.statista.com/statistics/193533/growth-of-global-air-traffic-passenger-demand/

which means that apart from economic situations like the 2008-2009,
people are traveling more for business or leisure, not less and unless
some sort of real situation develops, we just have to  trust
ourselves, the systems that are in-place and just hope that things
happen for the best. AFAIK there is no system or country that is
fail-safe and nobody can give any such guarantees anymore, so yes, be
aware of things around you but don't give into irrational fears.

My 2 paise.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

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at bottom :-

On 02/06/2016, Bernelle Verster  wrote:
> hi
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Keerthana Krishnan
>  wrote:
>> Wow, that sounds like a great idea if done! It showcases the versatility
>> of
>> Debian beautifully, but is it possible to pull it together?
>
> I would like to try. :) I know nothing of any of this though (I'm a
> Debian and IT noob), so the first step would be to create a list of
> requirements, flesh out what exactly you're thinking (this would
> include support stuff, screens, plugpoints, extention cords, etc etc
> as well as the 'Debian stuff' - hardware, bandwidth etc etc etc). I
> can then take that to the local organisations and see what we can pull
> together (wrt equipment and volunteers). I would need something great
> to show them by ... this weekend? (Not final, but something that would
> sell the idea well)
>
> Perhaps, in the interest of time, the requirements need to be
> prioritised into 'have to have, this won't happen without it', and
> nice-to-haves. Shirish, could I ask you to make a start at it on a
> wiki page, that you link to from the Debian Day wiki please?
> Maybe https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware ?
>

Dear Bernelle,

The expert in this area would obviously be Jonas as he has been
working with embedded and is in know of much, much more and he would
be probably more aware of which devices can have debian in a jiffy and
which would require lot more work.

Having said that, have made a crude page at
https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay_Hardware

Most of the contestants are from https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn

Apart form the wired and wireless routers, there have been these
smartwatches and all which probably also could be made to work. There
is also the short-lived debian-mobile mailing list
https://lists.debian.org/debian-mobile/ after which I think
a decision was made to put more efforts on getting android bits in
Debian main, probably because most upstream may not be active.


Even if we can have a showcase of Android variants like Replicant and
f-droid and conversations around them, that might get some interest
going and I'm sure most DD's would have one or the other device which
has them. The same would be of most GNU/Linux groups as well. If we
are able to get some tablets hands-on even those will be good.

Incidentally, I'm planning to buy a new phone (around $100 - $125)
budget, so any recommendations to look at which is/could be ported to
Debian would be good to know. @Jonas - recommendations ?



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[Debconf-discuss] hardware which runs Debian or a blend or a sub-set, debian blends, gaming on open day/week-end.

[shirish शिरीष]

Hi all,

Warning - Would be slightly longish mail. Apologies for noise.

Maybe it's too late in the day but for quite sometime I had been
thinking/dreaming if we could have/show-cased Debian running on
various hardware doing different things, unusual things . While Debian
on the desktop, workstation and server and Debian on ARM is somewhat
known there are and would probably be some unusual devices where
Debian or a sub-set/blend is used.

For instance, Debian-Edu would be a good candidate to share and
showcase as well as Debian Med and other such blends which run/use
specific hardware which ties in debian, for instance the galileo
package which just entered Debian archive just today which works with
'fitbit' devices (have no idea what they are.).

There would also be quite some equipment which probably is integrated
or in process of being integrated/reverse-engineered which people
would love to see.

IIRC, even HP one of the main sponsors of debconf, is/was bringing out
'The Machine'  although later we don't know what is happening to it,
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/207897-hp-kills-the-machine-repurposes-design-around-conventional-technologies

One of the DD's was working with HP 'The Machine' project. I also
remember that some VR packages were made for Debian (and are the
archive I *think*) , it would be good/nice if are able to try out HP's
backpack for VR
http://www.in.techradar.com/news/gaming/HP-and-MSIs-backpacks-put-a-new-spin-on-VR/articleshow/52467485.cms
and see what can be worked within the Debian universe.

Similarly as there would be kids (as well as big kids/adults) who
might like to blow off steam once in a while, we could have few
systems where we have games like 0ad or/and vdrift, supertuxkart among
others who could get some potential new users while having good PR for
Debian too.

The only downside I see here is that we would need slightly large
number of volunteers than some of the other choices that indiebio has
outlined. https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDay

What do people think/make of above ?
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[Debconf-discuss] suggestions for getting extension to visa - e-mail address of south africa consulate, mumbai.

[shirish शिरीष]

Dear all,

A bit longish mail, sorry about that.

After lot of legwork, finally got a visa but not of the dates that I
wanted. As can be seen from my arrival and departure dates, I'll be in
Cape Town for almost 17 days but the visa I got is only of 10 days.

For last couple of days, I have been trying to get across to the South
African Consulate but without any success.  The number - + 91 22 2351
3725 exists but nobody attends it. At the most I'm able to get to the
switchboard but it doesn't get connected to the visa personnel inside
the consulate. The time for enquiry is only one hour from 1400 to 1500
hrs IST where nobody picks up the phone, at least that's my
observation after trying for 2 days.

There is no e-mail address for the South African Consulate in Mumbai,
the e-mail address  sacgmum...@saconsulate.in is useless/dead. Doing a
simple whois on the domain shows it's no longer there (not found). I
am non-plussed how to approach the consulate.

The South African consulate in Mumbai, India seems to have out-sourced
all its work to vfsglobal

http://www.vfsglobal.com/southafrica/india/

Now how do I approach the consulate as there doesn't seem to be a way
out. I tried connecting the Delhi Consular Office with the same
results. Even there the e-mail addresses are either dormant or not
working and anyways Mumbai is far nearer than Delhi.

One option is that I send a registered post asking for the e-mail
address of the Mumbai consular office.

Another option is to go to mumbai and try to see if I can somehow
force their hand to share their contact details or/and have some sort
of appointment where I can show all my documents although what I heard
from the third-party (vfs) they are not approachable unless you
contact them one way or the other before making the trip. They refused
to co-operate/give the e-mail address or any Consular officer's number
so I could approach them directly.

The whole thing is opaque.

I am in a bit of quagmire also on the flight . I have no idea if Qatar
Airways (the airlines I'm flying with) will make an exception and just
change the file tickets of coming back. Mostly I may have to cancel my
tickets and buy new tickets which would be horrendously expensive
(also both tickets are non-refundable in nature) to do both the
things.

Could people suggest a way out ?

I did see few cover letters for the same -
http://www.careerride.com/view.aspx?Id=11416

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[Debconf-discuss] Is travel sponsorship equated to remuneration for visa purposes - in South Africa ?

[shirish शिरीष]

Dear all,

I'll be traveling to South Africa for an open-source conference
(debconf) for which I'll get my flight-tickets reimbursed at the end
of the conference. Could/Would this reimbursement be in anyway equated
to remuneration ?

http://www.vfsglobal.com/southafrica/india/conference_visaapplication.html

Common-sense/logic says that should not be so, as remuneration is for
doing some $work but in this case I would just be an attendee. I will
be doing some volunteering but that is not tied in anyways with the
travel sponsorship that I'll receive at the end of the conference.

I had put it up at
http://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/68668/is-travel-sponsorship-equated-to-remuneration-for-visa-purposes
( know it's not a free platform) but haven't got any satisfactory
answers. Maybe somebody more experienced in these matters could share
their experience and opinion.

I could keep quiet about it, i.e. there but I would like to keep
things above board as much as possible.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] This year's Cheese & Wine party

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Hi all,

As a potential attendee, I had talked with Gunnar (off-list) on the
possibility of Indian cooking. I had also involved Bernelle as I
thought s/he would probably know about sourcing Indian spices but as
most Indians live in Durban it seems it would be difficult to source
those spices. Cape town to Durban is 1646 km which is quite a bit.

Thankful to Nicholas for sharing list of what could be imported into
South Africa

http://www.nda.agric.za/vetweb/ImportExport/Application%20forms/Application%20to%20import%20dairy%20products.doc

But that doesn't tell if airlines allow spices to be carried in
(probably not for security purposes, at least logic dictates/tells
that but could somebody clarify it ? )

Basic spices and ingredients that are part/soul of most vegetarian food :-

rai or mustard seeds, zeera or cumin seeds. spices such as black
pepper, turmeric, red chilli powder (kashmiri chilli) - sharing a
brand below
http://www.bigbasket.com/pd/269285/everest-powder-kashmirilal-ground-chilly-100-gm-carton/
, iodized salt and lastly garam masala which is combination of many
spices but is separate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garam_masala

My queries are the following :-

1. Are spices prohibited/can airlines confiscate them ( most are in
powder form) ?
2. Most of the cooking I have done is on kadai which are quite common here :-

http://www.bigbasket.com/pd/40041655/meet-hard-anodized-kadai-with-lid-black-hdkl-14-1-pc/

Is something similar available in SA ?

3. Perhaps the most important of all - how big are these wine and
cheese parties, I have cooked for 4-5 people at the most, there were
couple of times where I did cooking for 100 odd people but I had
amazing help and they were able to get the scale of spices from 4-5
people to 100 (not my forte)

4. Lastly, most of the cooking I have done is on gas which I don't
know would be available or not.

Look forward to know about above.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Open Weekend: 2 - 3 July 2016, Cape Town

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in-line :-

On 06/05/2016, Bdale Garbee  wrote:
> Bernelle Verster  writes:
>
>> Please add your thoughts, ideas, suggestions to the wiki page, or on
>> this thread, regardless of if you plan to attend or not.
>
> If you'd like me to reprise the 'Understanding Debian' talk I've given
> before at Debconf open days in various forms, let me know.  Wouldn't be
> hard for me to pull a fresh copy together, but I'm not excited about
> doing the work unless it's actually wanted.

Hi all,
This probably would be more pertinent as Debian boobs/newbies are
expected to show up for that day.  Like me, there probably would be
lot of people interested in what happens in debian-project, how is the
roadmap decided and how different priories and conflicts are resolved.

> Another thought might be some sort of panel discussion with some of us
> crazy-long-timer Debian folks answering questions?  Some of my favorite
> Debconf memories are such Q sessions, like the one we had in Brazil
> that Amaya and others reminded me of in the wake of Ian's passing.

This probably would be more fun and engaging in the main debconf IMHO.

> Bdale
>

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[Debconf-discuss] Money matters and air travel queries - 1 -2 stops and being in South Africa morning or afternoon.

[shirish शिरीष]

Hi all,

I made a page with my conversations with Bernelle (sometime ago) which
clears the air somewhat for a prospective traveler coming to South
Africa to not just be for the conference but also have a bit of
holiday with/on her/im and expenses s/he can expect .

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Money

This probably needs to be linked to somewhere in Logistics but
probably needs to be cleaned and any duplication or moving around may
be needed. Feel free to do the same.

Now for flights I recently saw  " The Truth About Cheap Flights:
Channel 4 Dispatches "

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/the-truth-about-cheap-flights-channel-4-dispatches

While this is more about UK and a specific company in UK, I *think* it
is similar everywhere and especially in India. I know same/similar
practices which are in vogue in the Railways, esp. in Second Class
reservation (the cheapest way and yet decent way for most people to
move around to large distances > 500 km. for sure), so would try to
also shop around for the cheapest and yet comfortable air travel.

Now I have budgeted at $837 which is around around one and a half
times the cheapest ticket available $587 .

Here's a link to the on-line listing -

http://cheapfaresindia.makemytrip.com/international/raw/index.html?l=exIndia=RT=PNQ-CPT-D-29Jun2016_CPT-PNQ-D-11Jul2016=A-1=E=MA=80411462463532449#/listing

https://www.ixigo.com/search/result/flight/BOM/CPT/29062016/11072016/1/0/0/e
- far better listing especially for information on layovers (which is
critical) is much more easily known.

Have attached some of the flights which look good/promising but as
there are so many bewildering choices and have no idea which air route
is ideal, hence asking air travelers if they have any tips or ideas
for the same.

My idea is to land in South Africa on 30th morning or evening,
decompress and just be on 1st of July and be available to be part of
debian for noobs.

The cheapest flight on makemy trip is at $629 doesn't work because
both while going as well as coming, there are stops where connection
between flights is around half an hour, so if the flight is late for
some reason or some other issue, it is very easy to miss the
connection.

I have been trying multiple options on both the sites but either the
layovers are too short (between 30 mins to 2 hours) or too long (15
-24 hours)

There are couple of Airports I want/am looking for information on :-

a. I was looking at Johannesburg International Airport as a potential
layover stop but after reading
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._R._Tambo_International_Airport
decided to give it a miss as it seems to be a pretty busy airport and
the layovers I was getting were between 1 - 2 hours which isn't enough
in a busy and big airport. I would be having check-in baggage along
with hand-baggage (lappy :) ) . So this doesn't seem to be a right
fit.

b. The other most common layover is Addis Ababa Bole International
Airport of Ethopia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addis_Ababa_Bole_International_Airport

This airport also seems to have grown a bit as per the wiki article .

It is really nuts as there are so many combinations and flights, it
makes my head spin, can anyone help ? Have checked around 140 odd
flights, direct would have been lot better and simpler to understand.

Ideally, I would like just 1 stop between the two countries and have a
layover of around 4 hours just in case of delay either at takeoff, bad
weather, landing, baggage collection etc.

Think 4 hours should be the sweet spot, if people think there should
be more of a gap, please chime here.

It would be nicer if one of the cheaper flights makes the cut so
somebody else or it could be used to make debconf more awesome.

In case of a long layover, for budget/economy travelers are there any
budget choices for storage lockers and having bit of sleep, food and
freshening up before the next leg of the journey.

Look forward to learn.
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https://www.ixigo.com/search/result/flight/BOM/CPT/29062016/11072016/1/0/0/e

1. Ethiopian Airlines ET611
29 Jun, Wed economy

05:15 Mumbai Chatrapati Shivaji International Airport 5h 5m

07:50 Addis Ababa Bole

Layover 24h 25m Addis Ababa

Ethiopian Airlines ET847

30 Jun, Thu economy

08:15 Addis Ababa Bole 6h 40m

13:55 Cape Town - Cape Town Intl

CPT - BOM

Ethiopian Airlines ET846

11 Jul, Mon economy

20:45 Cape Town - Cape Town Intl 8h 15m

06:00 Addis Ababa Bole

Layover 15h Addis Ababa

Ethiopian Airlines ET610
12 Jul, Tue economy

21:00 Addis Ababa Bole 4h 50m

04:20 Mumbai Chatrapati Shivaji International Airport

USD 682 or INR 44707


2.  Ethiopian Airlines ET641

29 Jun, Wed economy

11:15 Mumbai Chatrapati Shivaji International Airport 5h 20m 

14:05 Addis Ababa Bole