Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 10:06:44AM +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:41:40PM -0400, David Bremner wrote: I was talking to my wife, who is the biblatex user in our house, and it seems the dependency on biber is more of a recommendation. Biblatex seems to function OK using bibtex in place of biber. Of course there might be some issues that we don't know about, but at least it generates OK looking documents in her tests. Thanks for checking! It seems biber can be considered a more loose dependency. I'd rather have it in Debian ASAP though, if only to avoid a huge mess of documenting what works and what not. biblatex 1.1 says: , | Starting with this release, we'll leverage the possibilities of Biber | to support features not possible with BibTeX. That's why most major | new features in this release are 'Biber only'. ` Well, biber can be considered a recommendation. So, no problem there. biblatex (as of 0.9b) has another new dependency: logreq which I don't see in Debian yet. I can easily package it, I guess. I'll have a closer look in the next few days. Maybe uploading biblatex 1.2 isn't such a bad idea after all. :) This OTOH is a problem. logreq is a dependency since 0.9b and has itself a dependency on etoolbox 1.9 which is part of texlive and available in version 1.8. Yes, my fault. I shouldn't have put it back into texlive but instead kept it as a single package. Didn't do it, now it's messy. :( Thus, two options: 1) wait for TL2011, 2) package etoolbox again, conflict with tl, upload a new version of tl without etoolbox, package logreq, upload biblatex 1.3. :-/ Hauke -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On Do, 17 Mär 2011, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote:
Thus, two options: 1) wait for TL2011, 2) package etoolbox again,
conflict with tl, upload a new version of tl without etoolbox, package
logreq, upload biblatex 1.3.
Or: package etoolbox and put it into /u/s/temxf, thus there
will be no file conflicts. If it is backward compatible after instaling
it it will be used instead of the one from TL, and all is fine.
Best wishes
Norbert
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Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 12:41:40PM -0400, David Bremner wrote: On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:09:39 +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 05:47:52PM -0400, David Bremner wrote: It seems there are some biblatex styles that require 0.9c or newer, so it would be nice to have a newer biblatex packaged if/when you get time. If only it were that easy... :) Newer versions depend on biber which is not available in Debian yet. I'm still figuring out how to proceed best. I was talking to my wife, who is the biblatex user in our house, and it seems the dependency on biber is more of a recommendation. Biblatex seems to function OK using bibtex in place of biber. Of course there might be some issues that we don't know about, but at least it generates OK looking documents in her tests. Thanks for checking! It seems biber can be considered a more loose dependency. I'd rather have it in Debian ASAP though, if only to avoid a huge mess of documenting what works and what not. biblatex 1.1 says: , | Starting with this release, we'll leverage the possibilities of Biber | to support features not possible with BibTeX. That's why most major | new features in this release are 'Biber only'. ` biblatex (as of 0.9b) has another new dependency: logreq which I don't see in Debian yet. I can easily package it, I guess. I'll have a closer look in the next few days. Maybe uploading biblatex 1.2 isn't such a bad idea after all. :) Thanks, David! Hauke -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 09:30:31AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: On Di, 08 Mär 2011, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: Won't biber be included in TL 2010 ? No, biber was not included in TL 2010 as of the released version. We (TL upstream) are just now in the process of including it. TL 2011 will probably include it. That might be true but we're not exactly close to having it in Debian, are we? Norbert, what do you say? Not at all, I will probably skip 2010 and go for TL 2011 as target for the next Debian release. I figured. Now that biblatex has reached some kind of stability, we should consider adding it back to the texlive packages anyways. Don't know what's the best way to go here. Sorry, I'm a little off lately... It should be packaged independently. Since newer biblatex versions depend on logreq and biber... should we package both for now to keep biblatex working? Once TL2011 is ready to be uploaded, we could remove both and make TL provide the package names. OR we wait with all of it but I suppose TL2011 will take quite some time, right? Hauke -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On Mi, 09 Mär 2011, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote:
OR we wait with all of it but I suppose TL2011 will take quite some
time, right?
Yes. Upstream TL2011 will be released in summer or a bit later,
and packaging, well, if I have time to rewrite everything once again.
Best wishes
Norbert
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Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 04:30:40PM +0200, أحمد المحمودي wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 03:09:39PM +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: If only it were that easy... :) Newer versions depend on biber which is not available in Debian yet. I'm still figuring out how to proceed best. ---end quoted text--- Won't biber be included in TL 2010 ? That might be true but we're not exactly close to having it in Debian, are we? Norbert, what do you say? Now that biblatex has reached some kind of stability, we should consider adding it back to the texlive packages anyways. Don't know what's the best way to go here. Sorry, I'm a little off lately... Hauke -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
I have been packaging some of the Perl dependencies for Biber. I have created an unstable Debian package for Biber, but it has some conflicts with current Debian packages. My self-imposed deadline to get Biber in Debian/unstable is by the end of March. HTH -- Danai SAE-HAN On 7-mrt.-2011, at 15:09, Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 05:47:52PM -0400, David Bremner wrote: It seems there are some biblatex styles that require 0.9c or newer, so it would be nice to have a newer biblatex packaged if/when you get time. If only it were that easy... :) Newer versions depend on biber which is not available in Debian yet. I'm still figuring out how to proceed best. All the best, David Thanks, David! Hauke -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On 08.03.11 Danai SAE-HAN (danai.sae...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, I have created an unstable Debian package for Biber, but it has some conflicts with current Debian packages. Which packages? texlive-* ? H. -- sigmentation fault -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
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No, libbtparse*. I contacted the maintainer, but haven't received any reply yet. Anyway, when I overcome the difficulties of packaging C libraries in Debian, I will just superseed the old libbtparse packages. BR -- Danai SAE-HAN On 8-mrt.-2011, at 12:27, Hilmar Preusse hill...@web.de wrote: On 08.03.11 Danai SAE-HAN (danai.sae...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, I have created an unstable Debian package for Biber, but it has some conflicts with current Debian packages. Which packages? texlive-* ? H. -- sigmentation fault -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On 08.03.11 Danai SAE-HAN (danai.sae...@gmail.com) wrote: No, libbtparse*. I contacted the maintainer, but haven't received any reply yet. Well, two changelog entries in the last 6 years, don't suggest that the package is actively maintainde. ;-) H. -- sigmentation fault -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:09:39 +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 05:47:52PM -0400, David Bremner wrote: It seems there are some biblatex styles that require 0.9c or newer, so it would be nice to have a newer biblatex packaged if/when you get time. If only it were that easy... :) Newer versions depend on biber which is not available in Debian yet. I'm still figuring out how to proceed best. I was talking to my wife, who is the biblatex user in our house, and it seems the dependency on biber is more of a recommendation. Biblatex seems to function OK using bibtex in place of biber. Of course there might be some issues that we don't know about, but at least it generates OK looking documents in her tests. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On Di, 08 Mär 2011, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote:
Won't biber be included in TL 2010 ?
No, biber was not included in TL 2010 as of the released version.
We (TL upstream) are just now in the process of including it.
TL 2011 will probably include it.
That might be true but we're not exactly close to having it in Debian,
are we? Norbert, what do you say?
Not at all, I will probably skip 2010 and go for TL 2011 as target for
the next Debian release.
Now that biblatex has reached some kind of stability, we should consider
adding it back to the texlive packages anyways. Don't know what's the
best way to go here. Sorry, I'm a little off lately...
It should be packaged independently.
Best wishes
Norbert
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Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 05:47:52PM -0400, David Bremner wrote: It seems there are some biblatex styles that require 0.9c or newer, so it would be nice to have a newer biblatex packaged if/when you get time. If only it were that easy... :) Newer versions depend on biber which is not available in Debian yet. I'm still figuring out how to proceed best. All the best, David Thanks, David! Hauke -- .''`. Jan Hauke Rahm j...@debian.org www.jhr-online.de : :' : Debian Developer www.debian.org `. `'` Member of the Linux Foundationwww.linux.com `- Fellow of the Free Software Foundation Europe www.fsfe.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 03:09:39PM +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: If only it were that easy... :) Newer versions depend on biber which is not available in Debian yet. I'm still figuring out how to proceed best. ---end quoted text--- Won't biber be included in TL 2010 ? -- أحمد المحمودي (Ahmed El-Mahmoudy) Digital design engineer GPG KeyID: 0xEDDDA1B7 GPG Fingerprint: 8206 A196 2084 7E6D 0DF8 B176 BC19 6A94 EDDD A1B7 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#616596: biblatex: Please package newer upstream release
Package: biblatex Version: 0.9a-1 Severity: wishlist It seems there are some biblatex styles that require 0.9c or newer, so it would be nice to have a newer biblatex packaged if/when you get time. All the best, David -- System Information: Debian Release: 6.0 Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 (SMP w/8 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_CA.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_CA.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
