Re: Deselect issues(was R: Is `.deb' still better than `.rpm'?)
Brian K Servis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Christenson writes: On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Mark Carroll wrote: My only complaint is that it autoinstalls updated packages. There have been a number of times that I wanted to grab one new package via ftp install, and came up with 10 megs of updated packages. (Not bad at work, but can be annoying on a 28.8 connection.) Paul Here, here...I second this. I know you can confirm what to get but maybe there should be single question to overide this default behavior or something. My $.02. I am a little confused here - dpkg-ftp prompts you if it should get all the new packages marked for installation or if it should prompt for each one separately. What more do you want? Should the questions be worded better? Andy. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Deselect issues(was R: Is `.deb' still better than `.rpm'?)
On 15 Nov 1996, Andy Guy wrote: Brian K Servis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Christenson writes: On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Mark Carroll wrote: My only complaint is that it autoinstalls updated packages. There have been a number of times that I wanted to grab one new package via ftp install, and came up with 10 megs of updated packages. (Not bad at work, but can be annoying on a 28.8 connection.) Paul Here, here...I second this. I know you can confirm what to get but maybe there should be single question to overide this default behavior or something. My $.02. I am a little confused here - dpkg-ftp prompts you if it should get all the new packages marked for installation or if it should prompt for each one separately. What more do you want? Should the questions be worded better? Andy. They are referring to a packages default status of install after being installed instead of hold. That tells dselect that you want to install this package again (i.e. upgrade it). The only way to turn this off is to do it manually for each package, or to go to a package grouping (like Updated Packages (newer version is available)) and press = or H. This isn't really clear in the on line help though. It seems that you can go to any of these headings and take action on its contents in the same manner. This is the missing feature people want. It seems as though its there, been there, gonna be there, but we didn't know about it. It still doesn't please those who don't want to have to take any action to obtain a hold status for installed packages, but oh well. Thanks Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011-81-3-3437-7967 - Tokyo, Japan -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 bashing
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, CoB SysAdmin wrote: I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface. This is a true problem which last from the fact that X11 is seperated from the stadart toolkit Motif (which is payware) Well, you have to understand that, when MIT started developing X, the intention was to provide, in their words, Mechanism, not policy. Basically, this means that they wanted to provide a GUI environment without imposing any particular GUI conventions on it. It was completely open. There is now the qt based kde (kool desktop environment) project. It tries to handles these problems. Kde is fully OO and free. Have a look at: http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/ettrich/kde.txt or http://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/kde/index.html or http://www.zws.com/kde/ and http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~cooperb/kde/style.html Yours, martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: g77 failure
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, David Gaudine wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Martin Konold wrote: I have now installed: gcc_2.7.2.1-2.deb g77_0.5.18-2.deb gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `f771': No such file or directory As I understand it, f77 wants gcc 2.7.2 and not gcc 2.7.2.1 As a workaround I did now the following: cd /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/ ln -s ../2.7.2/libf2c.a . ln -s ../2.7.2/f771 . I will now have to check wether it still works in all cases. Development team: Please consider if there shouldn't be a dependency between g77 and gcc versions, which shall be resolved by dselect. Yours, -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Big IDE drive on old bios
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Stephen Fuqua wrote: [snip] Will I be able to get lilo to boot off the 1gig drive when I make a root partition smaller than 1023 cylinders? Can I be pretty sure that I can at least boot the thing with a floppy? I'm pretty sure you can do either and it will work. Even easier: make a small (10Megs, say) partition for /boot, making sure it is below the 1023 cylinder boundary. You then put your kernels there and lilo will be able to find them. Works like a charm for me. Is this 1024 cylinders only an issue if you don't have LBA mode? Today I installed Debian 1.1.14 on a 486 machine with LBA, with a 1.08gb Quantum drive. The root partition is about 600mb, which exceeds the 1024 cylinder limit. I couldn't see any problem with this? hamish -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xv requires libtiff3
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I just upgraded to the most recent release of xv from the non-free section and it is giving me the dependency problem that it requires libtiff3. Yet, I can't find libtiff3. Am I looking in the wrong place or something? Did you have a look at ftp.sgi.com? /sgi/fax/source/tiff-v3.4-tar.gz should work. Yours, -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xrdb under xfree86 3.2
xrdb doesn't seem to work on a 486 which i recently upgraded to xfree86 3.2. when i run it i get this: /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb: cannot run '/lib/cpp -traditional -Dlinux -D__i386__ -D_POS IX_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -DX_LOCALE -DHOST=rosalind -DSERVERHOST=r osalind -DSRVR_rosalind -DDISPLAY_NUM=0 -DCLIENTHOST=rosalind -DCLNT_rosalind -D VERSION=11 -DREVISION=0 -DVENDOR=The XFree86 Project, Inc -DVNDR_The_XFree86_P roject__Inc -DRELEASE=3200 -DNUM_SCREENS=1 -DEXT_XFree86_DGA -DEXT_XFree86_Misc -DEXT_XFree86_VidModeExtension -DEXT_DOUBLE_BUFFER -DEXT_RECORD -DEXT_XC_MISC -D EXT_XKEYBOARD -DEXT_SYNC -DEXT_MIT_SCREEN_SAVER -DEXT_MIT_SUNDRY_NONSTANDARD -DE XT_BIG_REQUESTS -DEXT_XTEST -DEXT_XInputExtension -DEXT_MIT_SHM -DEXT_SHAPE -DSC REEN_NUM=0 -DWIDTH=1280 -DHEIGHT=1024 -DX_RESOLUTION=2956 -DY_RESOLUTION=2951 -D PLANES=8 -DBITS_PER_RGB=6 -DCLASS=PseudoColor -DCLASS_PseudoColor=32 -DCOLOR -DC LASS_PseudoColor_8=32 -DCLASS_DirectColor_8=33 -DCLASS_GrayScale_8=34 -DCLASS_St aticColor_8=35 -DCLASS_TrueColor_8=36 -DCLASS_StaticGray_8=37' the funny thing is that it works fine on five other computers i have (all pentiums) and it fails only on the 486. i copied the old xrdb from 3.1.2 onto the 486 and now the system works fine. anybody else seen this? --alex-- -- | I believe the moment is at hand when, by a paranoiac and active | | advance of the mind, it will be possible (simultaneously with | | automatism and other passive states) to systematize confusion | | and thus to help to discredit completely the world of reality. | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PPP-connection slowing down. Please help!
When I use the Linux box, my ppp-connection is becoming so slow that I have
difficulty in handling a few email messages. I cannot think of ftp or other
internet services.
Ping produces the following results (only while using Linux. On winsock
{windows 3.1} the average is about 232ms with no packet loss):
PING ilink.nis.za (196.6.121.10): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 196.6.121.10: icmp_seq=0 ttl=252 time=246.0 ms
64 bytes from 196.6.121.10: icmp_seq=1 ttl=252 time=562.2 ms
64 bytes from 196.6.121.10: icmp_seq=2 ttl=252 time=378.8 ms
64 bytes from 196.6.121.10: icmp_seq=3 ttl=252 time=240.4 ms
64 bytes from 196.6.121.10: icmp_seq=4 ttl=252 time=1009.5 ms
...
64 bytes from 196.6.121.10: icmp_seq=15 ttl=252 time=5592.6 ms
...
64 bytes from 196.6.121.10: icmp_seq=31 ttl=252 time=11225.2 ms
--- ilink.nis.za ping statistics ---
43 packets transmitted, 32 packets received, 25% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 240.4/5948.1/11441.9 ms
Sometimes the packet loss go up to 60%
I used the same configuration for a few weeks now, but it was only the last
few days this behaviour became a nuisance.
Can it be the telephone line? Why does it work without problems on Windows 3.1?
Any hints?
Johann Spies
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Re: X11 bashing
Martin Konold writes: -!! There is a solution up and coming !! - - Have look at the kde project. [ Stuff snipped ] I strongly doubt that KDE has the momentum to succeed. It's based on Qt, which is a proprietary standard. Granted the implementation is delivered 'free for noncommercial use', but I don't see that as a significant difference. It's still a proprietary toolkit, which will keep the GNU crowd disinterested, as well as making it inappropriate for Debian proper. So, you replace an 'open', well known API with a proprietary implementation (and the rapidly developing lesstif) with a proprietary, unknown API with an open distribution model. Not a significant win in my eyes. Perhaps a more well-guided effort would be to assist the lesstif project, and build a free CDE workalike based on lesstif. The advantage here is that you get to keep the more well-known, standard Motif API, which will breed developer familiarity (as well as being able to build on already avaliable free Motif software), and end up with a truly free, unencumbered desktop. KDE is a nice effort, granted. I'm sure the people involved have put a good amount of work into it. However, due to the restrictions on Qt, the basis for KDE, I have serious doubts about any momentum KDE will gain, and don't think it's appropriate as part of Debian proper. Just my $.02 -Larry -- Larry Daffner| Linux: Unleash the workstation in your PC! [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://web2.airmail.net/vizzie/ C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. -- Bjarne Stroustrup on C++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 bashing
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Larry 'Daffy' Daffner wrote: - Have look at the kde project. [ Stuff snipped ] I strongly doubt that KDE has the momentum to succeed. It's based on Qt, which is a proprietary standard. Granted the implementation is delivered 'free for noncommercial use', but I don't see that as a significant difference. It's still a proprietary toolkit, which will keep the GNU crowd disinterested, as well as making it inappropriate for Debian proper. In contrast to motif Qt is fully C++ OO. Qt comes with source. Any gpled sw can be distributed with soure or binary of Qt. Just building proprietary sw without source.. cost money. So it is really free and can be well used for gpled sw. So, you replace an 'open', well known API with a proprietary implementation (and the rapidly developing lesstif) with a proprietary, unknown API with an open distribution model. Not a significant win in my eyes. Motif is outdated and broken in my eyes. Lesstiff suffers a lot from beeing forced to implement all these crippled c stuff. Qt if fully C++ Just my $0.02 Yours, -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Big IDE drive on old bios
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Paul Christenson wrote: On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Stephen Fuqua wrote: However, the way I recommend is NOT to use lilo, but loadlin. Create a small (a few meg) DOS partition as the first partition, and have the AUTOEXEC.BAT simply run loadlin. Hmm, just try 'linear and compact' in /etc/lilo.conf loadlin in a linux only is a waste of space and gives B.G an other $ he does not deserve. If you really need loadlin (I doubt) then use a simple freedos solution. Just have a look at the well implemented Debian boot floppies. Yours, -- martin P.S. Will the upcoming Debian 1.2 support the SCSI NC810 for booting? // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Big IDE drive on old bios
On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Is this 1024 cylinders only an issue if you don't have LBA mode? Yes it is. It is a problem on old PC BIOSes which did not support more than 1024 Cyl. It is also a problem of DOS Yours, -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ldconfig warning : inconsistent soname??
On 14 Nov 1996 00:36:38 CST Guy Maor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Lawrence Chim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1b1 has inconsistent soname (libtix.so.4.1), skipping That's a bug in whatever package provides /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1.b1. File a bug report. It's been fixed in tix41-4.1b1-4, and is uploaded to master. Available soon in rex and bo at your closest debian mirror. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 bashing
I strongly doubt that KDE has the momentum to succeed. It's based on Qt, which is a proprietary standard. Granted the implementation is delivered 'free for noncommercial use', but I don't see that as a significant difference. It's still a proprietary toolkit, which will keep the GNU crowd disinterested, as well as making it inappropriate for Debian proper. In contrast to motif Qt is fully C++ OO. Qt comes with source. Any gpled sw can be distributed with soure or binary of Qt. Just building proprietary sw without source.. cost money. So it is really free and can be well used for gpled sw. My personal goals include developing GPL'd freeware as well as commercial software. So I don't think that I will be using KDE or Qt (even though they might be very nice). Cheers, - Jim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Strange behavior of lpr+lpd
Hello to all users, I have a problem with debian1.1.4 lpd+lpr. I had previously debian0.93 and a 9pin dot matrix printer. I write my printcap, used ghostscript in a filter and used lpr to print files. Then I sold my 9pin printer and I bought an epson stylus color pro. I also upgraded 0.93 to 1.1.4. I wrote a new filter and nothing come out of the printer. So I invoked the filter manually with the output redirected to /dev/lp1 and all worked fine. I also tried apsfilter and magicfilter but they did not function. So, I think the problem is in lpr+lpd. Please help me!! Thank You in advance for your replies. --- Mario Giammarco | Tel/FAX +39-545-22965 Via Calamandrei,5 |[EMAIL PROTECTED] 48022 Lugo (RA) -- ITALY | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Corrupt kernel-source package?
Guy Maor's message dated: 14 Nov 1996 00:56:11 CST Lamar Folsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I downloaded kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb today and found that dselect/dpkg wa s unable to install it. I tried to extract the copy on the master site, and it's fine. Maybe your download got corrupted? md5sum is: fee75e4ed7841c6b4b18d1e13d97859b kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb Guy I had the same problem and the md5sum checks so it must be something else. Here is the result of my attempt: bash# dpkg -i kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb (Reading database ... 27768 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking kernel-source-2.0.23 (from kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb) ... dpkg: error processing kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb (--install): corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb Any ideas? --Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
