Re: making disk bootable

1996-11-23 Thread Ricardo Kleemann
Thanks!

How do I install the mbr package? Is it a normal .deb package? Right now 
my /dev/hda does NOT have an MBR... I need to install it in order to use 
lilo. Will liloconf help me out?

Ricardo

On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:

 Hi,
 
  How do I go about inserting an mbr if my current setup isn't using LILO 
  (and thus hasn't made the hd bootable)?
 
 You should install lilo in the root-fs partition. Then it will be loaded if
 there is a normal MBR and the partition is activated, or you can install the
 debians mbr package into the MBR. Try to boot from disk and use the liloconf
 for this (both).
 
 Greetings
 Bernd
 


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Re: making disk bootable

1996-11-23 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Hello,

 How do I install the mbr package? Is it a normal .deb package? Right now 
 my /dev/hda does NOT have an MBR... I need to install it in order to use 
 lilo. Will liloconf help me out?

Yes. Just install lilo with dselect and the mbr package will be present,
too. Then run liloconfig, and all should be fine. Of course you can read the
Lilo docmentation, too.

Greetings
Bernd


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Re: Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?

1996-11-23 Thread Christoph Lameter
Rick Macdonald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
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: Caldera's web page kind of says maybe.
: 
: I'm tempted to pay the $200 just so I can run Quicken without
: booting up DOS/Windows.
: 
: I haven't checked for awhile, but I assume that WINE is still
: a long ways away. I couldn't tolerate having my Quicken files
: corrupted!

If Caldera uses RPM then install the Debian RPM Package and the debmake package.
Debmake contains software to install RPM Packages which might enable you to run
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Re: ulimit problem

1996-11-23 Thread Philippe Troin

On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:04:22 +0800 Tan Wee Yeh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
) wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to raise the ulimit as an ordinary user.
 I don't seem to be able to raise any limit above some
 ceiling, except when I'm root.

 Anyone knows how I can raise the limits?
 It doesn't seem to be the problem with Hard/Soft
 limits but more like priviledges...

From your example, you were trying to raise a hard limit.
Only root can raise hard limits.
All users and lower and raise soft limits, but constrained by the hard limit.
Try using [u]limit without the -H option, it will take soft limits by default.

Phil.



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Re: ulimit problem

1996-11-23 Thread Philippe Troin

On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:17:22 +0800 Tan Wee Yeh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
) wrote:

  On Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:04:22 +0800 Tan Wee Yeh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ) wrote:
   Anyone knows how I can raise the limits?
   It doesn't seem to be the problem with Hard/Soft
   limits but more like priviledges...
  
  From your example, you were trying to raise a hard limit.
  Only root can raise hard limits.
  All users and lower and raise soft limits, but constrained by the hard 
  limit.
  Try using [u]limit without the -H option, it will take soft limits by 
  default.
  
 The hardlimit part is ok.. I just want to raise the limits
 for the normal user... 

Anyone can lower and raise the soft limits, as long as they remain 
under the hard limit. Can you be more precise with your problem ?

Phil.





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Re: Dselect docs for beginners

1996-11-23 Thread Lindsay Allen


On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Tim Sailer wrote:

 Looks great! We should expand on this (maybe on a web page) to make 
 a more complete documentaion of dselect. People tend to read stuff
 they can print out, but get flustered in an application like
 dselect.
 
 Tim
 
 PS: I'll make the web page and add to it if there is that need.

A web page would be the ideal format, so that the main index is kept
simple and then you have as many levels as you like to demonstrate things.
But we need them to read it _before_ they install all the packages.

Version 4 now on ftp://oak.scotch.wa.edu.au/pub.

The boss says that I need more stuff to explain concepts.  This really
isn't my cup of tea...  But I have learnt a lot more about dselect than I
knew before.

Lindsay



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Re: making disk bootable

1996-11-23 Thread Daniel Stringfield
On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:

 Hi!
 
 How do I go about inserting an mbr if my current setup isn't using LILO 
 (and thus hasn't made the hd bootable)?
 
 Does toggling the bootable flag in fdisk take care of that?
 
 I'd like to install lilo on my system and up to now I haven't used it, so 
 my hd is not bootable.
 
 TIA!
 Ricardo

the MBR is master boot record.  this is the actual software that brings
up the system.  The MBR in this case is initialized when you install LILO.
Its not something you install then add LILO.  It *IS* LILO.

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apache

1996-11-23 Thread Tim Sailer
Has anyone noticed that apache doesn't do proper document parsing
in subdirs off the root dir? I just noticed this as I was putting
up the page for Debian/dselect (http://www.buoy.com/debian),
and I looked at a few of our other pages, and it's the same way!
Check out the page source, and note the last date modified at the end.
I just converted the server over to Apache from Spinner/Roxen, and
didn't catch this! :( I even tried the 'XBitHack', and it makes
no difference. Maybe I should direct this to the apache list.

Tim

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Error making kernel package

1996-11-23 Thread juan j casero
Hi Folks -

In my never ending saga with Debian Linux and the custom kernel I finally
found thanks to help from others on the net dpkg-dev and installed it.
When I tried to make the custom kernel package I get the following error:

warning, 'debian/tmp-image/DEBIAN/control/' contains user-defined field
'Installed-Size'
dpkg-deb: building package 'kernel-image-2.0.25' in '..'.
dpkg-deb: ignoring 1 warning about control file(s)
dpkg-deb: unable to create '..': Is a directory
make: *** [stamp-image] Error 2

Some one please explain this to me.  I've done everything as it says in
the docs and I can't understand why it is so hard to build a kernel in
Debian Linux.  While the idea of package handling is good I am beginning
to feel a bit frustrated by all this.  I don't understand why it has to be
so difficult to build a custom kernel.  Building a kernel is probably one
of the most important things a person would do with his/her linux box and
while slackware has received much bad PR recently I can say that building
a kernel with it is much easier.


Thanks.
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Re: howto compile kernel in Debian 1.1.2

1996-11-23 Thread juan j casero
On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Alex Romosan wrote:

 you need 'kernel-package' which you can find under unstable in misc.
 unpack your kernel, cd linux, 'make config', and then do 'make-kpkg -r
 x.x.x kernel_image', where x.x.x is the debian version number assigned
 to the kernel (i give them the same number as the linux version). cd
 .., and then dpkg -i kernel-..., you get the idea. btw, i would
 suggest you subscribe to the debian mailing lists (go to the debian
 web page and subscribe from there).
 
 --alex--
 
Hi Alex -

I tried what you said immediately after I got your message but I still
keep getting the same error.  I installed the kernel-package but I believe
it was already installed and still it was a no go.  What version of Debian
are you using? 

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Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)

1996-11-23 Thread William Burrow
On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

 Yes. However, we still might look askance at Qt due to the other licensing
 terms, which are more restrictive than the GPL, especially since V (another
 C++ GUI) is under the GPL.
 
 Please understand I'm not making a technical criticisim. I just wish they
 would GPL the darned thing and leave it at that.

They may be afraid of the situation that some other authors run into with 
freely distributable packages.  For example, Knuth's TeX package had some 
of the fonts changed by someone other than the author.  While the Knuth 
does not care if the fonts are modified, he really cares that the 
modified fonts were of the same name as his fonts.  

The result of the changed fonts were documents that looked different on
different installations of TeX (depending on whether the site got the
original fonts or not).  This is very undesirable from the author's point
of view, as he put considerable effort into ensuring that documents 
produced with TeX look the same regardless of the hardware used (within 
physical limits).  

While the Qt authors may have different concerns than Knuth does over 
TeX, the idea may be the same:  modified versions may reflect badly on 
Troll Tech.


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please use V

1996-11-23 Thread Bruce Perens
From: William Burrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 While the Qt authors may have different concerns than Knuth does over 
 TeX, the idea may be the same:  modified versions may reflect badly on 
 Troll Tech.

I understand their concern, I just don't share it. Debian doesn't place
this sort of restriction on the system. I think I'll encourage people to
use V - it's GPL-ed and arguing about Qt's license just isn't our job.

Thanks

Bruce
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lprng gone?

1996-11-23 Thread Scott Barker
I just got an alert about a linux security hole. The alert recommended using
lprng from ftp.debian.org:/debian/project/experimental

But, lprng is missing. Will it return?

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Re: Getting a list of changes to a package...

1996-11-23 Thread salwen
 Dale == Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Is there a list kept anywhere that details the changes that
 were made to a given Debian package.
 
 I know that a little blurb is sent to debian-changes (or some
 list like that) every time a new version is uploaded, but I was
 wondering if there's some place where I can see a history of
 the revisions.
 
 Most packages place their changelog in
 /usr/doc/package/changelog.Debian.

I think that the question was whether we could get the info before
downloading the package.  That is, is there a change log of some sort
at the ftp or web site?  Actually, I don't know if that was the
question but I would certainly like to know.

Thanks,
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[off topic?] need functionality

1996-11-23 Thread Richard G. Roberto
Hey,

Thi may not be the right place to ask, but I'm looking for a
utility similar to tkined that lets you select and _move_ objects
around to create a nice looking display.  It would be good to be
able to can different views of the same network subnet as well,
but this means objects need to live in different groups at once
under tkined, which isn't allowed.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: How do I use deb-make?

1996-11-23 Thread Paul Seelig
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On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Johann Spies wrote:

 I downloaded it and saw in the documentation that I need rpm to be able
 to use alien to install redhat-packages.  So I downloaded rpm, tried to
 debianize it by trying deb-make, debstat, alien and dpkg --build, but
 without any success. 
 
Better try installing the Debian native rpm_2.2.7-5.deb from the next
Debian mirror site. Works fine here. 
  Regards, P. *8^)
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Re: lprng gone?

1996-11-23 Thread Lawrence Chim
Scott Barker wrote:
 
 I just got an alert about a linux security hole. The alert recommended using
 lprng from ftp.debian.org:/debian/project/experimental
 
 But, lprng is missing. Will it return?
 

What is it?

lawrence,


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list of changes buzz - re ?

1996-11-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
Once rex is released, could a list of updated
packages be posted? Until I get a CD-ROM of it from somewhere,
I'd like to download the packages and install them
individually. I'm running dpkg-ftp right now, but my ISP
is extremely slow and downloading approximately
21mb is going to take hours. I have a much faster shell
account elsewhere, though. A list of things that
have changed would help. Thanks!

(Or perhaps a dpkg-shell-ftp kludge? :-) ftp+sz ...)



hamish


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libc-5.4.13

1996-11-23 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom

 Will Debian 1.2 have libc-5.4.13?  It's on sunsite; says it's a bugfix.

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Re: CD-ROM IRQ Timeout

1996-11-23 Thread Paul Seelig
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On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Christian Hudon wrote:

   'hdb irq timeout : status = 0x58
   hdb ATAPI reset complete'
  I have a Goldstar 8-speed CD-ROM drive giving me the same messages but i
  don't know how to handle/evaluate/change this. Any hints someone?
 
 Try giving hdb=cdrom as an argument to the kernel. Maybe that will help.
 
No, this doesn't make any difference. This parameter only is necessary to
tell the kernel that /dev/hdb is a CD-ROM drive instead of a harddisk. The
effect is the same as described by the original poster. Any other ideas?

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permissions wrong in new base-files ?

1996-11-23 Thread Hamish Moffatt
I installed the new base-files, mainly because I needed
to install base again to once again restore my /tmp directory,
which keeps losing world-write permissions.
As far as I can tell, /tmp created by base-files has
the wrong permissions too.. I extracted it with
dpkg-deb -x also with the same result.

thanks,
Hamish


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Re: Oleo - Any docs?

1996-11-23 Thread Kevin Dalley
Yes, there is additional oleo documentation.  Steve Fisk has written
nice info pages.  Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to integrate
it into the oleo release yet.  Oleo development has been ignored for a
couple of years now.  I'm trying to update some of the configuration.
I expect to have the oleo documentation available in the next month or
so.

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Re: SCCS for Linux

1996-11-23 Thread J.H.M.Dassen
 Is there SCCS for Linux?  I have been able to find it.

True SCCS is commercial.

Try a dejanews (www.dejanews.com) search on SCCS Linux; it
results in 50+ hits, including a references to the following URL:

ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/sources/usr.bin/MySC-linux.tar.gz

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Re: libc-5.4.13

1996-11-23 Thread Lawrence Chim
Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
 
  Will Debian 1.2 have libc-5.4.13?  It's on sunsite; says it's a bugfix.

It should be the last libc5 release and the next one should be libc6.

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Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)

1996-11-23 Thread Martin Konold
On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:
 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Martin Konold wrote:
  On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Heiko Schlittermann wrote:
 
 Then they can't be GPL'd.  You should read the license.  It
 prohibits modification restrictions (which QT has).

Of course the apps CAN be gpled! Even if they have to be linked against
some commercial libs.
There are hundreds of gpled Motif based pieces of software out there.
You are not allowed to distribute changed version of the library but you
are welcome to change the gpled application as you like.

  Soon LyX will also be Qt based.
  
 
 That's too bad, I kind of like lyx.

Obviously, you unfortunately do not know hwat you are talking about,
sorry.

The very first versions of LyX have been Motif 1.2 based.
This had the BIG disadvantage that the co developers did not want to buy
the commercial Motif stuff.

Matthias then switched to Xforms. They most recent stable beta is based on
Xform 0.81. Xforms is free of charge for non commercial use.
The developers do NOT provide their source code. Xforms is limited
due to time constraints of the two developers.

LyX will in the near future switch to Qt. Qt is in contrast to Xforms
available free of charge to the freeware community and much more important
it is WITH source code!
It has also advantages from the programmers point of view. (C++...)

So even for the GNU purists it must be evident, that Qt is LESS
restricting than the Xforms license.

How does it come that you are talking about stuff you do not understand.

I personally would appreciate something like alladins license for
ghostscript beeing applied for Qt.

But Qt is still a very new, but promising project.

 You never got back to me on the kterm issue.  It seems to me that
 the KDE kterm is _not_ the same as the long standing JE version
 of xterm of the same name.  This is poor netiquette at best and
 micro$oft like behavior at worst.  What's the deal?  This QT/KDE
 mentality is rubbing the wrong way already.

kterm is neither directly based on the JE version of xterm nor on xterm
but on rxvt(which is not gpl, but free).

Yours,
-- martin

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Re: making disk bootable

1996-11-23 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Hello,

 the MBR is master boot record.  this is the actual software that brings
 up the system.  The MBR in this case is initialized when you install LILO.
 Its not something you install then add LILO.  It *IS* LILO.

lilo can be installed as the MBR, but in debian it isnt. Debian has a
package called mbr. Lilo depends on it. This little Program will be
installed into the master boot record of the system by liloconfig. The
PAckage mbr enables you to select the partition to boot from. This is a
small subset of the functionality lilo offers, but it is easier for
beginners. Read /usr/doc/mbr/README.

Greetings
Bernd


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Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)

1996-11-23 Thread Jonas Bofjall
On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, William Burrow wrote:

 While the Qt authors may have different concerns than Knuth does over 
 TeX, the idea may be the same:  modified versions may reflect badly on 
 Troll Tech.

This is not the whole story, since it is only their X version that is free
for non-commercial use. Porting your free app to, say, MSwin just isn't
possible, and porting is the whole point of using GUI libraries.

V is free under the GPL (that is, not only for non-commercial use!) for
all its platforms and should be preferred.

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debian via ftp

1996-11-23 Thread Alexander N. Benner
Hi  -  let's use this tool as well :)
After reading some of the readmefiles I still have some Q.

I have Linux 2.0.0 from the German distributor S.u.S.E., after installing
some packages directly from sunsite, other from debian I must have confused
my system a bit :} this and other problems made me want to reinstall the
system.
I also increase my hdspace from 1 to 2.2 GB which gives me more space to
spead my files :) [and the possibility to make a backup partition :]

I wan't to install debian now via etherlink.
Which programs do I need for that ? [ dselect , dk??-ftp , ... ]
And were are they ?

can you give me suggestions in partitoning 1.5 GB ?
can I just overwrite my running system or should I first get rid of some
parts ?
( i don't wan't the system to crash while I install :)

thanx and God bless you
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Re: lprng gone?

1996-11-23 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Scott Barker wrote:

 I just got an alert about a linux security hole. The alert recommended using
 lprng from ftp.debian.org:/debian/project/experimental
 
 But, lprng is missing. Will it return?

It's in .../net/...

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Managing a network of Debian machines?

1996-11-23 Thread Nelson Minar
I've been a user of RedHat for the last year and a half. RedHat in
general is a nice distribution, but the only reason I really use it is
for RPM, the package manager. One thing that RPM cannot really help
with is managing a whole network of workstations. Say I have ten Linux
machines with a package manager I want all ten to stay synchronized,
to have the same version of all packages. How do I do this?

In a traditional Unix installation one way to do this is to only
install the vendor's default Unix on each hard drive. Since commercial
Unices don't update frequently, this means that you have to sync each
machine every year or so. Then all the packages you *really* care
about (say, emacs or perl) get installed in an NFS mounted /usr/local.
NFS takes care of the synchronization, since there's only one copy.

But that doesn't work for RedHat, and I imagine doesn't work for
Debian. If I upgrade emacs, for instance, it's going to upgrade in
/usr/bin, a directory traditionally not NFS mounted. I would have to
run the package upgrade command on every machine.

One solution would be to automate the package updates, run a cron job
on all machines that keep them in sync with some master list of
package versions. This isn't very efficient, but would be acceptable.
Does someone have such a script for Debian?

The other solution, one I sort of like, is to NFS mount as much as
possible on all the machines but one. Clients NFS mount /usr (maybe
even the whole root disk) from a central server that is maintained by
hand. This duplicates the /usr/local NFS setup of typical machines,
but entails quite a big network cost.

What's the right solution? Assume disk is cheap, bandwidth is fairly
cheap, but sysadmin time is really expensive. If Debian could provide
some solution, it would be a big help to Linux administrators.

PS: the web archive of these mailing lists on www.debian.org isn't
working right. Messages aren't being split correctly.


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Re: list of changes buzz - re ?

1996-11-23 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
 individually. I'm running dpkg-ftp right now, but my ISP
 is extremely slow and downloading approximately
 21mb is going to take hours. I have a much faster shell
 account elsewhere, though. A list of things that
 have changed would help. Thanks!
 
 (Or perhaps a dpkg-shell-ftp kludge? :-) ftp+sz ...)
I think dftp can handel this, since you can run it on your shell account
with a list of Files to fetch.

See dftp --help for instructions.

Greetings
Bernd


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Re: making disk bootable

1996-11-23 Thread Bill Roman
Daniel Stringfield wrote:
 
 On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
  
  How do I go about inserting an mbr if my current setup isn't using LILO 
  (and thus hasn't made the hd bootable)?
 
 the MBR is master boot record.  this is the actual software that brings
 up the system.  The MBR in this case is initialized when you install LILO.
 Its not something you install then add LILO.  It *IS* LILO.

A minor clarification: booting from hard disk is a two-stage process.
First the system BIOS reads the MBR and begins executing it.  The usual
DOS MBR code reads the partition table (also contained in the MBR)
and finds the primary partition which is flagged as bootable, reads the
first sector of that partition (the partition's boot block) and begins
executing it.  This code is responsible for loading and starting the
operating system in a system-dependent way.

LILO's boot loader code can be installed either on the MBR or on a Linux
partition's boot sector.  In the former case, Daniel Stringfield is
exactly correct -- LILO is completely sufficient.  In the latter, the MBR
must be initialized with the some code which can behave like the DOS MBR;
the Linux partition must be flagged as bootable if LILO is to be loaded.

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Re: lprng gone?

1996-11-23 Thread Scott Barker
Lawrence Chim said:
 What is it?

A replacement for the bsd lpr. The bsd lpr suffers from a buffer overrun
security hole right now.


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Re: Error making kernel package

1996-11-23 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,

The warning
'debian/tmp-image/DEBIAN/control/' contains user-defined field
'Installed-Size' 
indicates that you are using the new version of
 kernel-package, which creates a new style package, with the stable
 version of dpkg, which does not yet understand it.  That is also the
 problem later when it refuses to build the package with the error
dpkg-deb: unable to create '..': Is a directory

I think you should upgrade to the latest version of dpkg from
 frozen (that is rex, I believe), and hopefully your problems will go
 away. 

If not, feel free to send me mail.

manoj

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web-based mail archiver for debian? Mhonarc!

1996-11-23 Thread fabrizio carraro
  Is there a version of Hypermail (the web-based mail archiver) for Debian?
 
 No.
 Having used Hypermail, I recommend mhonarc (hypermail dumped core when used
 on large archives on FreeBSD), which is packaged:

Following your suggestion I've installed mhonarc on a linux debian
machine, and it is great.
Only a problem that I cannot solve because I'm not good enough. I
set-up mhonarc in a way it is started by .forward every time an
email arrives, using the webnewmail perl example. It works fine,
but it creates the new messages with this protections and owner:
 
-rw-r--r--   1 fabrizio fabrizio  366 Nov 22 11:02 index.html
-rw---   1 nobody   nogroup 23136 Nov 22 11:08 .mhonarc.db
-rw---   1 nobody   nogroup  9917 Nov 22 11:08 maillist.html
-rw---   1 nobody   nogroup  1303 Nov 21 21:31 msg0.html
 
etc. (the last three lines are generated by mhonarc)
 
The Apache server accesses the pages correctly. But when I want to delete
a message, or scan the database, using mhonarc -scan, mhonarc cannot
access it because of the wrong ownership of the files (when I start it
manually it runs with 'fabrizio:fabrizio' ownership) 
 
I can I solve this problem? The installation program (dpkg) did all
automatically, so I don't know what should be changed.
 
thanks a lot!


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mirror

1996-11-23 Thread Daniel Stringfield

I'm trying to mirror the entire debian tree.  
When I do a:
mirror -d -gmaster.debian.org:/pub/Linux/Debian/*  It works. But...
When I do a:
mirror -d -RDebian /etc/mirror/packages/master.debian.org  I get:
package=Debian master.debian.org:/pub/Linux/Debian - /debian
Scanning local directory /debian
Scanning remote directory /pub/Linux/Debian
Cannot change to remote directory (/pub/Linux/Debian/Incoming/DONE)
because: 550 /pub/Linux/Debian/Incoming/DONE: Permission denied.
Cannot get remote directory details (/pub/Linux/Debian)
disconnecting from master.debian.org

All done, Exiting


Any clues?
TIA

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Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)

1996-11-23 Thread Buddha Buck
 On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:
  On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Martin Konold wrote:
   On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, Heiko Schlittermann wrote:
  
  Then they can't be GPL'd.  You should read the license.  It
  prohibits modification restrictions (which QT has).
 
 Of course the apps CAN be gpled! Even if they have to be linked against
 some commercial libs.

Not by my reading of the GPL.

 There are hundreds of gpled Motif based pieces of software out there.

Name 5.By your assertion, I could modify GNU Emacs to use Motif 
widgets, and distribute the modified version freely, under the GPL.  I 
am certain that if I were to do  that, one of the first people I would 
hear complaints from would be RMS himself.

The FSF has consistantly held that the GPL covers not the source 
implementation of the program alone, but specifically covers the 
executable form -- the source simply being the preferred way to 
distribute the executable.  The GPL requires that the entire program be 
available in source form in a way easily modifiable and be 
distributable in that form.  This includes any libraries that must be 
linked into the final executable -- with the special exception of 
system libraries normally distributed with the system itself, like 
libc, etc.  This precludes commercial or proprietary library packages.

As a concrete example of this, the FSF argued that a program that was 
designed to link against the RSAREF library couldn't be GPLed, because 
of the restrictive nature of the license on RSAREF.  The situation was 
with regard to a program that was designed to link against both RSAREF 
and the GNU GMP math libraries (which is GPLed).  The FSF argued that 
since the program linked against GNU GMP, it -must- be GPLed, but since 
it linked against RSAREF, it -couldn't- be GPLed.

The FSF dropped their objection when someone wrote and released a 
non-GPLed math library compatable with GMP, thus making the original 
program not dependant on GMP (there were other libraries it could 
choose from).

Based on this event, I would say that any attempt to link a GPLed 
program with a non-free package (like Qt) would run into similar 
problems -- unless there was a interface compatable free replacement 
for Qt, in which case, we would suggest that people use that.  Much 
like we are going to suggest that people use Lesstif instead of Motif 
when it is stable and complete enough.

 You are not allowed to distribute changed version of the library but you
 are welcome to change the gpled application as you like.
 
   Soon LyX will also be Qt based.
   
  
  That's too bad, I kind of like lyx.
 
 Obviously, you unfortunately do not know hwat you are talking about,
 sorry.
 
 The very first versions of LyX have been Motif 1.2 based.
 This had the BIG disadvantage that the co developers did not want to buy
 the commercial Motif stuff.
 
 Matthias then switched to Xforms. They most recent stable beta is based on
 Xform 0.81. Xforms is free of charge for non commercial use.
 The developers do NOT provide their source code. Xforms is limited
 due to time constraints of the two developers.
 
 LyX will in the near future switch to Qt. Qt is in contrast to Xforms
 available free of charge to the freeware community and much more important
 it is WITH source code!
 It has also advantages from the programmers point of view. (C++...)

Try taking a look at V.  It is GPLed, available in source form, and 
also a C++, object oriented approach to a GUI.

 
 So even for the GNU purists it must be evident, that Qt is LESS
 restricting than the Xforms license.

But it is still MORE restricting in key ways than the Xforms licence.  

What do you do if LyX breaks because of a bug in Qt?  The standard Free 
Software method would be to fix the bug, send a patch back to the 
authors, and continue using the modified library, distributing it if 
necessary until the authors fix the bug in the upstream version.  This 
doesn't work with the Qt license, since you can't distribute modified 
versions of Qt.

What do you do if a new feature needs to be added?  In the standard GPL 
model, you add the feature, tell the authors what and how you did it, 
so that it may be incorporated into future upstreams versions, and 
distribute, if needed, the version with new features. This is how 
Objective C got added to gcc by NeXT, how Lucid Emacs, MULE, and Nemacs 
split from GNU Emacs, and so it.  This can't happen with the Qt 
license, since you can't distribute modified versions of Qt.

What do you do if you need to port LyX to a new platform with slightly 
different requirements for it's low-level graphics handling (like, for 
instance, NeXTStep, which uses Display-Postscript for it's underlying 
graphics engine)?  Not a problem with the GPL, since you can modify 
GPLed programs at your will.  On the otherhand, since the Windows Qt 
libraries are proprietary without source, this seems to be evidence 
that the authors of Qt do -not- want you to be able to port 

Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)

1996-11-23 Thread Martin Konold
On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Buddha Buck wrote:

  Of course the apps CAN be gpled! Even if they have to be linked against
  some commercial libs.
 Not by my reading of the GPL.
  There are hundreds of gpled Motif based pieces of software out there.
 
 Name 5.By your assertion, I could modify GNU Emacs to use Motif 
 widgets, and distribute the modified version freely, under the GPL.  I 
 am certain that if I were to do  that, one of the first people I would 
 hear complaints from would be RMS himself.

There is actually a Motif Version of Emacs called Motif Xemacs (used to be
called Lucid Emacs)
I just ckecked the copyright statement on the moste recent version (19.14)
It definetlely is GPL!

Soon LyX will also be Qt based.
   That's too bad, I kind of like lyx.
  Obviously, you unfortunately do not know hwat you are talking about,
  sorry.
 Try taking a look at V.  It is GPLed, available in source form, and 
 also a C++, object oriented approach to a GUI.
  So even for the GNU purists it must be evident, that Qt is LESS
  restricting than the Xforms license.
 But it is still MORE restricting in key ways than the Xforms licence.  

You did not tell in which respect the Xforms license  is less restricting 
than the Qt license!
Please do so.

Yours,
-- martin

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Re: Strange behavior of lpr+lpd

1996-11-23 Thread David Frey
On Thu, 21 Nov 96 14:48:07 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Which version of gs dou you use?
Version 3.33 it is not a debian package, I installed it manually.
(well, there is one in non-free)

 If I invoke the filter with /etc/filter.ps filetoprint.ps
 /dev/lp1 the printer prints.
 Ok. So for so good.
 If I do lpr filetoprint.ps nothing appear. If I do lpq it says
 lp is ready and is printing but it is not true.
 This doesn't say anything. But you do see any pending jobs in the
 queue? A la: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ~$lpq stylus is ready and printing Rank
 Owner Job Files Total Size active david 312 demo.c 180 bytes

There is the pending job. Lpc says queuing is enabled printing is
enabled 1 entry in spool area etc
Fine.

 PS: What was your success with magicfilter?
No success with magicfilter no with apsfilter
Bad.

PPS: Have you read the
 Printing-HOWTO?
Obviously.
Sorry. Just wanted to be sure.

I begin to suspect there is a cable problem, with windows95 and
directly with postscript I can print, but when lpq says that lp is
ready and printing I notice that the data led on my printer lights,
and sometimes the printer loads a sheet of paper. I will try
another printer cable. But the question is, what handshake the
lpd do with the printer? I mean, what return value/signal lpd would
receive from the printer before send another data?

lpd itself doesn't handshake. It only spools the data and sends it to
/dev/lp? (the one you gave in /etc/printcap). If you can print directly
via 'cat filetoprint.txt  /dev/lp?' (as root) lpd should also work (modulo
permissions). You could report back the permissions of /dev/lp?, /usr/sbin/lpd
and your filters.
If you can't print directly there is something wrong with the driver (I,
for example, had to put the driver into polling mode, using IRQ 7 didn't work
with my Epson Stylus !?)

Later, 
  David



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Gnus as a mailer

1996-11-23 Thread ME?
I've been using mh for a while now, and even though it's super functional,
I'd like to try something else. S I look at the headers on this list
and lots of people seem to be using Gnus as a mailer. Is there a page
detailing how to do this? There is breif mention in the info pages, but not
enough to get me going.

Thanks

-lars louder


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Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)

1996-11-23 Thread Buddha M Buck
 
 On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Buddha Buck wrote:
 
   Of course the apps CAN be gpled! Even if they have to be linked against
   some commercial libs.
  Not by my reading of the GPL.
   There are hundreds of gpled Motif based pieces of software out there.
  
  Name 5.By your assertion, I could modify GNU Emacs to use Motif 
  widgets, and distribute the modified version freely, under the GPL.  I 
  am certain that if I were to do  that, one of the first people I would 
  hear complaints from would be RMS himself.
 
 There is actually a Motif Version of Emacs called Motif Xemacs (used to be
 called Lucid Emacs)
 I just ckecked the copyright statement on the moste recent version (19.14)
 It definetlely is GPL!

Interesting.  I wasn't aware that a Motif version of Xemacs existed.
I use Xemacs on both my Linux system at home and at school (on
Solaris), and neither version uses Motif.

Checking the Xemacs docs (I don't have the full source) seems to imply
that it can be build using Motif, but definately doesn't require it.
It also implies that in some respects (like scroll bar performance),
Motif-less Xemacs is better anyway (the scroll bars are the only place
I was able to find mention of Motif in the equivilant of
/usr/lib/xemacs/etc on my system at school, I'm not able to check what
I'm using at home.

In any event, Motif is -not- required for Xemacs in the same way that
Qt would be required for LyX.

   So even for the GNU purists it must be evident, that Qt is LESS
   restricting than the Xforms license.
  But it is still MORE restricting in key ways than the Xforms licence.  
 
 You did not tell in which respect the Xforms license  is less restricting 
 than the Qt license!
 Please do so.

Sure...  I mistyped. I meant to type ...GPL. instead of ...Xforms
license.  The rest of the discussion I had described what you could
do naturally under GPL but not with Qt with its licensing the way it
is now, thus demonstrating that the Qt license was more restrictive
than GPL.  


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Re: Error making kernel package

1996-11-23 Thread Fabien Ninoles
On Fri, 22 Nov 1996, juan j casero wrote:

 Hi Folks -
 
 In my never ending saga with Debian Linux and the custom kernel I finally
 found thanks to help from others on the net dpkg-dev and installed it.
 When I tried to make the custom kernel package I get the following error:
 
 warning, 'debian/tmp-image/DEBIAN/control/' contains user-defined field
 'Installed-Size'
 dpkg-deb: building package 'kernel-image-2.0.25' in '..'.
 dpkg-deb: ignoring 1 warning about control file(s)
 dpkg-deb: unable to create '..': Is a directory
 make: *** [stamp-image] Error 2
 
 Some one please explain this to me.  I've done everything as it says in
 the docs and I can't understand why it is so hard to build a kernel in
 Debian Linux.  While the idea of package handling is good I am beginning
 to feel a bit frustrated by all this.  I don't understand why it has to be
 so difficult to build a custom kernel.  Building a kernel is probably one
 of the most important things a person would do with his/her linux box and
 while slackware has received much bad PR recently I can say that building
 a kernel with it is much easier.
 
 
 Thanks.
 Juan
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

They're some useful package in Debian Linux that can really ease things. 
To make a custom kernel, I simply run the config script in the
kernel-source package (by typing make xconfig, make menuconfig, or make
config) and then run the ./DEBIAN.rules in the same dir (may be I mistype
the name, my source aren't installed).

To make a custom-kernel-[source or image or headers] package, download
the kernel-package in the misc section. Work pretty well.




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Re: Linux books.

1996-11-23 Thread Fabien Ninoles
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On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, The Mighty Jorge wrote:

 Hi.  I am just beginning to learn how to use and install Linux, and I was
 wondering if anyone had any book recommendations.  I'm looking for
 something in the beginner to intermediate range, covering installation,
 system administration, configuration, and the like.  Thanks.
 
 Jorge
 

For references, I suggest you Unix in a NutShell. Its for systemV but so
useful.
In good general books, I think that Running Linux from ORA are good.
Same thing for Linux System Administration at the same editor.
Almost, the Linux Bible can be a good suggestion for a hardcopy of the
Howto, although it was a little out of date.

Welcome  Good Luck! You can learn a lot from Linux.


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Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)

1996-11-23 Thread Raja R Harinath
Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[snip]
  There are hundreds of gpled Motif based pieces of software out there.
 
 Name 5.By your assertion, I could modify GNU Emacs to use Motif 
 widgets, and distribute the modified version freely, under the GPL.  I 
 am certain that if I were to do  that, one of the first people I would 
 hear complaints from would be RMS himself.

There is a file in the GNU Emacs distribution for Motif support (yes in
`emacs-19.34b.tar.gz' from any of your friendly neighbourhood GNU
mirror) It's called `lwlib-Xm.c' and here's the top comment from it:

  /* The lwlib interface to Motif widgets.
 Copyright (C) 1992 Lucid, Inc.

  This file is part of the Lucid Widget Library.

  The Lucid Widget Library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or 
  modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
  the Free Software Foundation; either version 1, or (at your option)
  any later version.

  The Lucid Widget Library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
  but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of 
  MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
  GNU General Public License for more details.

  You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
  along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to
  the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330,
  Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.  */

You don't _have_ to modify GNU Emacs for Motif widgets, it _already_
supports them.

And if you are not yet convinced, here's an excerpt from the output of
`configure --help' in a Emacs source directory:

 Usage: configure [options] [host]
 Options: [defaults in brackets after descriptions]
 Configuration:
   --cache-file=FILE   cache test results in FILE
   --help  print this message
[snip]
 --enable and --with options recognized:
   --with-gcc  use GCC to compile Emacs
   --with-pop  support POP for mail retrieval
   --with-kerberos support Kerberos-authenticated POP
   --with-hesiod   support Hesiod to get the POP server host
   --with-x-toolkit=KITuse an X toolkit (KIT = yes/lucid/athena/motif/no)
   --with-xuse the X Window System ^^^

- Hari

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Fdisk errors

1996-11-23 Thread Igor
I have recently created a small (16MB) ext2 partition on the same hard
drive where I have my root Linux partition.  Today, I tried to delete it
if with fdisk, since I don't need it anymore, but after I exit the fdisk
with the w option, and it is done syncing disks, I get the following
error: Reread table failed with Error 16: device or resource busy.  As
a result, the partition stays there, even after reboot.  Also I tried
running partinfo.exe--a DOS utility that prints the partition table
(comes with Partition Magic).  It gives me a more interesting error: 
logical drive chain extends toward start of drive.  This is
incompatible with DOS fdisk. Linux fdisk is one source of this
problem.  How do I go about getting rid of the problem?  It is not as
much the space that I need, but now I can't use Partition Magic to
manipulate my DOS partitions, which is very useful.  BTW, the partition
is the last logical drive--/dev/hda8.  Could this have something to do
with the problem?  I appreciate any help you could give me.  Please let
me know if there is a better mailing list for this kind of problem.

Thanks,
__
Proudly running Debian Linux! Linux vs. Windows is a no-Win
situation
Igor Grobman [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Strange behavior of lpr+lpd resolved

1996-11-23 Thread mgiammarco
Incredible, I have changed the printer cable, and now the Epson  
Stylus prints!
I have also had to use the tunelp program, but with the old cable  
it had no effect, with the new
I cannot understand why a cable let some program print and other no.

I thank You for your interest, expecially David
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upgrading base-passwd

1996-11-23 Thread Joey Hess
What's the proper way to upgrade debian's base-passwd package? I
use unstable, and I've installed a new base-passwd a couple of times now,
but since /etc/passwd and /etc/group are conffiles, and I don't want to
mess up my exisiting password files (and I use shadow passwords), I have
help my old versions of these files. So upgrading base-passwd hasn't
really accomplished much for me. I have to diff the files and go in and
make the alterations manually, it seems.

Could base-passwd be set up to handle upgrades better, maybe modifying the
files in the postinst? And what about shadow passwords?

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I'll try Debian 1.2 some other time

1996-11-23 Thread juan j casero
Hi Guys and Gals -

Thanks to everyone who tried to help me with building a custom kernel in
Debian 1.1.  Unfortunately I got quite frustrated near by mid-afternoon
today (Eastern US time) and I decided to reinstall my Slackware 3.0 from
tape.  It is unfortunate that I was not able to smoothly make the
transition to Debian but I have been using slackware for a while now and I
am familiar with how it works.  It is true that maintaining slackware can
be troublesome at times but with it I feel more in control of my Linux
box.

When Debian Linux 1.2 comes out I will download it again and give it
another try.  Hopefully then it will work out ok.  Thanks again for all
your help.


Cheers..
---
Juan Casero
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Redeemed by Linux


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