Re: Interviews...

1997-01-03 Thread Dale Martin
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have been interested in interviews for debian so I could package up mxv,
> a rather good sound editing program. I've never gotten mxv to compile,
> though, but maybe I'd have more luck if I didn't have to compile the
> interviews stuff on my own too.
> 
> But a.out?! Is this a binary-only package, or something?

The people who produced Interviews quit supporting it a while back (a
few years ago).  It's written in really gnarly C++, and g++-2.6.3 (and
newer) won't compile it.  Someone supposedly ported it to 2.7.0 - I
had no luck when I messed with it, though.  (I wasn't willing to put
much time in it - I already had produced the package I posted about)

Anyways, I took the BINARIES from the Slackware "iv" disks (version
2.0 of Slackware or something like ), wrote a couple of control files,
and made a Debian package which I'm using quite successfully.  If this
would be of value to anyone, I'm willing to give you what I have.
(But not support it full time or anything like that.)

Later,
Dale
 
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back on list (I think)

1997-01-03 Thread Timothy Phan
Hi,

  Thanks for all who replied to my previous mail on the mailing
  list.  I think I'm back on it now. Cross my fingers.

  I do not know whether I should post the following problems with
  my 1.2 debian from i-Connect CD here or should I file bug reports.
  Please let me know if I post these problems here incorrectly.


  1. Texbin installation failed because Kpathsea could not convert
 some Metafont.  There was a bug report on this but I could not
 find the resolution.  This Texbin installation failure also
 caused the latex installation to failed.
  2. Netscape could not be installed.
  3. if gcc and w32gcc (from cygnus) were installed the same time,
 gcc could not find cc1.  I uninstalled both and re-installed
 only gcc and it worked.
  4. After installed the sendmail package, the bootup process took
 a long time (about 2-3 minutes long) at the 'sendmail' before
 the boot(or initialization)it can continue.
  5. The initial installation did not create /dev/scd0, /dev/scd1
 nor setup the symbolic link of the /dev/cdrom to /dev/scd0.
 Nor the /dev/sd[abc..]9 to /dev/sd[abc..]15.  I have to create
 these manually.
  6. the ifconfig in the /etc/rc???/network script were nowhere to
 be found.
  7. All the X related libraries could not be located when running
 and X applications because the /etc/ldconfig.conf (I think
 that was the name of the file) did not include /usr/X11R6/lib.
 I added the entry in and run ldconfig, then the problem went
 away.
  8. there seemed to be some font missing from the 'setfont' package.
 these font used to be in  the slackware (sorry to complain). The
 font that I looked for were: '8x14alt', '8x14thin', '8x15', etc.
 I copy these font from the old slackware distribution.
  9. BTW, is there a java1.0.2-???.deb out there?

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Re: Interviews...

1997-01-03 Thread Joey Hess
> Hello.  When writing papers, I have always used "idraw" to make my
> figures - I like it alot more than "xfig" for various reasons.
> Anyways, Interviews has been largely unsupported for the last year or
> two, so I took one of my trusty old Slackware CDs and made an
> interviews package.  Note that the binaries (and libraries) are a.out
> - they're from an ANCIENT Slackware, as I said.  Also, this package
> doesn't really support the Linux Filesystem standard at all - same
> reason as previously mentioned.
> 
> I have no desire to do anything other than the most minimal support
> for this package, but I was curious if anyone else would be interested
> in it.  If so, I will look into uploading it somewhere.

I have been interested in interviews for debian so I could package up mxv,
a rather good sound editing program. I've never gotten mxv to compile,
though, but maybe I'd have more luck if I didn't have to compile the
interviews stuff on my own too.

But a.out?! Is this a binary-only package, or something?

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Re: sendmail && procmail troubles!

1997-01-03 Thread Mario Olimpio de Menezes

Hi

I did a little mistake typing "using the 'bo' tree". Indeed, I
used the Debian-1.2 tree, and after that, the bo tree. Okay, my system is
hybrid, some 1.2 stuff and some 'pre 1.3'.
Well, my problem persist. Even after downgrading to rex, using
netbase_2.06-1.deb,
netstd_2.08-1.deb,
popclient_3.05-3.deb,
procmail_3.10-4.deb and
sendmail_8.7.6-2.deb,
I can't get procmail filtering my mails anymore.

Any hints?

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System Time Question

1997-01-03 Thread John Roesch

The system time on my Debian PC is 1hour ahead of local time.  That makes   
me think the timezone was not setup properly.

What is the command for setting the time on a running system?

Beyond that, what is the best method for setting up system time?  Should   
I set CMOS time to GMT and use some sort of timezone info (which I don't   
know how to setup)?  Or??

Thanks for the advise,
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x startup error progress

1997-01-03 Thread Michael Harnois
I reinstalled the Debian xbase package. My error returned. I copied over the
xrdb binary from the non-Debian build I made. The error went away.


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Re: wine dor Debian ?

1997-01-03 Thread Brian C. White
> Is there a debian package of wine? Seems like I saw this question a
> month or so ago & I thought I saved the response, but I can't put my
> finger on it at the moment.

Yes.  You can find it under project/experimental.  It isn't really
useful yet and so isn't kept scrictly up-to-date with what is available.
 
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Re: kernel recompile

1997-01-03 Thread Kevin Traas
> From: Jean Pierre LeJacq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Kevin Traas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: kernel recompile
> Date: Friday, January 03, 1997 5:53 AM
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Kevin Traas wrote:
> 
> > >> I just tried to recompile the 2.0.27 and everything seemed to go ok.
 I
> > >> rebooted and got the following errors: 
> > >> 
> > >> Jan  2 14:47:04 timberwolf insmod: tty_register_ldisc: wrong version
or
> > >> undefined
> > >> Jan  2 14:47:05 timberwolf insmod: dev_close: wrong version or
undefined
> > >> Jan  2 14:47:05 timberwolf insmod: dev_alloc_skb: wrong version or
> > >> undefined
> > 
> > > You need to update your modules.  See /usr/src/linux/README.
> > 
> > I'm having the *same* problem and I have followed the "make zImage"
with
> > "make modules" and "make modules_install".
> > 
> > To provide further info:  I only get the above messages if I enable
"auto"
> > in /etc/modules.  If "auto" isn't enabled, then no messages.
> 
> This seems to be a problem with your kernel configuration.  Did you "make
> config" first, select auto loading of modules and define the proper
> drivers as modules?

Yes.  I actually ran "make menuconfig".   I've since tried removing and
reinstalling the kernel sources, but that hasn't helped either

TIA for any further suggestions,

Kevin Traas
Systems Analyst
Edmondson Roper Chartered Accountants
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Re: developers (was Re: Interviews...)

1997-01-03 Thread Dale Martin
"Brian S. Julin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> There should be a simple way for people to make available halfway 
> complete or "one shot" debian packages.  (You can make developer
> status necessary to get into the normal distribution directories 
> if you are worried about nobody wanting to sign on and just accumulating
> tons of peicemeal packages, but the quick-and-dirty area should exist)

I was under the impression that the "contrib" section was for things
like this.  I was just trying to see if there interest in this
particular package, and if so, see what was necessary to put it there.
 
> P.S. You could also use a note to consult the FAQ about being a developer
> in the Incoming directory's README, and an ssh.README in the net 
> directory.
> --
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> 

Thanks,
Dale
 
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can't load library "libXt.so.6"

1997-01-03 Thread Kevin Traas
I'm trying to install texbin (Debian 1.2 btw) and have run into the
following error message:

mf: can't load library "libXt.so.6"

I've done some poking around and from Contents found that this file is
included in xlib6.  I've both tried reinstalling that package and verifying
that the file is on my system (under /usr/X11R6/lib and
/usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout) but the error stays

I read somewhere that errors relating to this file might be fixed by
installing xcompat.  I've done this and I'm still having the error.

I've since installed X and now I'm running into similar error messages when
trying to run various applications (i.e. xosview: can't load library
"libX11.so.6")

Do you have any ideas on what might be my problem?  

TIA for your help,

Kevin Traas
Systems Analyst
Edmondson Roper Chartered Accountants
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Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?

1997-01-03 Thread Orn E. Hansen
> Um, how am I supposed to connect to the ftp site if I don't have ftp?  Heck,
> I don't have any inet capabilities except for ping!  Maybe I missed
> something in the documentation, but it appears that have a pretty useless
> system installed here.  Is there someplace I can look that will actually
> tell me how to set Debian up?  I swear, this is really annoying.  I have
> installed many complicated OS in my life, but this takes the cake :(  Does
> everyone go through this crap, or did I get defective files or something? 
> *sigh*

  If you got no ftp, that means you don't have the netstd package... which is
in section net.  You need netstd, and netbase... if memory serves.  If you
do have the binaries, and the setup isn't working... try reading the HOWTO
for networking NET2-HOWTO.  The basics are, that after you have the basic
net tools... you need to configure the communications layer the network is
to communicate through... PPP, SLIP for dial up or ethernet, tokenring, 
loopback or whatever communications services your net requires.  To be able to 
see if your network is working, you should be able to use the loopback device 
to telnet or ftp your own machine... to do that, you need to register those 
services within your machine (as a server for those protocols), this is done
in the /etc/inetd.conf file... the lines that do this are:

#:STANDARD: These are standard services.
ftp stream  tcp nowait  root/usr/sbin/in.ftpdftpd
telnet  stream  tcp nowait  root/usr/sbin/in.telnetd telnetd
finger  stream  tcp nowait  root/usr/sbin/in.fingerd fingerd

#:BSD: Shell, login, exec and talk are BSD protocols.
shell   stream  tcp nowait  root/usr/sbin/in.rshdrshd
execstream  tcp nowait  root/usr/sbin/in.rexecd  rexecd
login   stream  tcp nowait  root/usr/sbin/in.rlogind rlogind
ntalk   dgram   udp waitroot/usr/sbin/in.talkd   talkd

  After you got the network working internally (loopback), you can prooceed
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Re: rescue disks for a tecra

1997-01-03 Thread Martin Stromberg

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> At http://www.cck.uni-kl.de/misc/tecra710/, Jens Maurer discusses the
> problem and gives a kernel patch which works around it, a patch which
> Bruce was going to incorporate it into the next set of boot disks.  I
> would try it myself as a service to other Tecra owners if I knew what
> went into the boot disks (possible just the rescue disk).  Can any of
> the developers out there help?

If it's a kernel patch, then all you have to do is recompile the kernel,
mount the rescue floppy on /mnt, copy the resulting vmlinuz to /mnt/linux,
and run /mnt/rdev.sh.

Note: You might have to adjust your path if you are not doing this as
  root, because the /mnt/rdev.sh needs to find rdev.

[Klippa, klapp, kluppit]

> Kirk Hilliard


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this mailing list

1997-01-03 Thread Timothy Phan
Hi,

  Anybody out there?  I've not received any discussion/comment
  on this mailing for almost 1 month now.  Has the list been
  up?

  BTW,  if I'm no longer in this mailing list, how do I get on
  it.  I've tried to subscribe this list again a week ago from
  www.debian.org but received no confirmation mail yet!?

  Thanks!

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developers (was Re: Interviews...)

1997-01-03 Thread Brian S. Julin
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Dale Martin wrote:
> I have no desire to do anything other than the most minimal support
> for this package, but I was curious if anyone else would be interested
> in it.  If so, I will look into uploading it somewhere.

I am in a similar situation with the MCA Debian 1.2 rescue floppies.
There is really no point in maintaining these as a package since
the new 2.1 kernels are including support and most likely the next Debian
won't need them.  All I want is to upload them somewhere on the Debian
site where people that want them can get them.  This won't get done
in the near future if the only way for me to do it is to go through
the whole process of becoming a Debian developer and then orphaning
the MCA rescue disks -- I can't spare the time.

There should be a simple way for people to make available halfway 
complete or "one shot" debian packages.  (You can make developer
status necessary to get into the normal distribution directories 
if you are worried about nobody wanting to sign on and just accumulating
tons of peicemeal packages, but the quick-and-dirty area should exist)

P.S. You could also use a note to consult the FAQ about being a developer
in the Incoming directory's README, and an ssh.README in the net 
directory.

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Re: ping reply without OS (was: Re: Unidentified subject!)

1997-01-03 Thread Dale Scheetz
Most network cards are designed to releave as much load from the local
processor as possible. Thus, by only knowing the local ip address. The
card can forward packets down line, respond to pings, and do other
housekeeping chores without bothering the local machine. So, as long as
the card is not reset, it will continue to perform these tasks even when
the OS has fully gone bye-bye.


On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Martin Stromberg wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > > > ping response can be handled by network hardware without OS running.
> > > 
> > > Uhhmmm... hadn't heard of this ever before. To reply to a ping request
> > > the network card has to have an assigned IP address...
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > 
> > > Eloy A. Paris
> > > Information Technology Department
> > > Rockwell Automation de Venezuela
> > > Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323
> > 
> > Yes, but I've seen it quite often. The symptoms are you can't connect with
> > anything, rlogin, telnet or such programs; however the machine gladly 
> > replies
> > to ping.
> > 
> 
>   I experienced such situation when my nameserver was down for a
> warm reboot, so that I couldn't telnet to it, but ping got response from
> the machine during the reboot. I can't explain such situation, but it is
> quite strange to me.
> 
> []s, mario
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Re: ping reply without OS (was: Re: Unidentified subject!)

1997-01-03 Thread Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues
Mario Olimpio de Menezes writes:
 >  I experienced such situation when my nameserver was down for a
 > warm reboot, so that I couldn't telnet to it, but ping got response from
 > the machine during the reboot. I can't explain such situation, but it is
 > quite strange to me.

Nothing strange about it. There's a thing called Address Resolution Protocol
(arp), which maps IPs to MAC (network card) addresses. It makes TCP/IP work
over your ethernet. Try this:

# arp -a

You'll see that you have a table mapping local IPs to MACs (the ethernet
protocol doesn't understand IP addresses, only MAC ones). So, to send a
datagram to your name server, you need its MAC address, which already was in
your arp table.

Now, the OS wasn't fully operational, some services (inetd) weren't available
yet, but the kernel and the tcp layer were there, answering pings (which uses
the ICMP protocol).

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Re: kernel compile fail

1997-01-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,

Do you have the packages libc5-dev, and, if you are on an
 intel box, bin86 as well? The missing stdio.h sounds ominous, though.

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Re: select+paste does not work under X/Debian 1.2

1997-01-03 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Nathan L. Cutler wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Zenon Fortuna wrote:
> 
> > I would like to copy lines across opened xterm windows: to select a few
> > lines with the left-button, then to go the another window and paste the
> > selected text pressing the right button (or the left+right together).
> >
> > Why I cannot do it ? Hints ?
> 
> It isn't the _right_ mouse button that is generally set to "paste", but
> rather the _middle_ button.  So, if you only have a two-button mouse (not
> so good for X in any case), it must be set up to send the code for the
> middle button when both buttons are pressed at once (the so-called "chord
> click").
> 
> I'm not exactly certain how to set this up correctly in your case, since
> I don't know what kind of mouse you have and what its capabilities are.
> 
> ---
> Nathan L. Cutler
> Linux Enthusiast
> http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc

If you have a two-button mouse and pressing the right and left buttons
simultaneously doesn't not paste text for your xterm then you need
X to emulate a 3-button mouse. To do this you must a few lines to your
/etc/X11/XF86Config file in the "Pointer" section as follows:

# Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft mice
# Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds (default is 50ms)

Emulate3Buttons
Emulate3Timeout50

That should do the trick.

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Re: Lilo

1997-01-03 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Franck LE GALL - STAGIAIRE A FT.CNET/LAB/FCI/PIH wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've never heard about Lilo before and it seems to be something 
> useful.
> What is it ? Where is it ?
> 
> Thanks
> Franck
> 

If you have a debian system with the base packages then you have
lilo (unless you opted against it in the install). Lilo is a
boot loader which allows you to load Linux or just about any other
operating systems selectively when your system starts up.

If for some odd reason you don't have lilo it can be found at

ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable/binary-i386/base/lilo_19-1.deb

(or whatever debian mirror is closest to you). First though you should
'dpkg --list lilo' to see whether or not you actually have it.
If you do have it documentation can be found in /usr/doc/lilo.

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Re: Interviews...

1997-01-03 Thread jyan-min fang

Isn't interview being replaced by Fresco? I remember seeing a Fresco
package for linux somewhere.

On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Dale Martin wrote:

> Hello.  When writing papers, I have always used "idraw" to make my
> figures - I like it alot more than "xfig" for various reasons.
> Anyways, Interviews has been largely unsupported for the last year or
> two, so I took one of my trusty old Slackware CDs and made an
> interviews package.  Note that the binaries (and libraries) are a.out
> - they're from an ANCIENT Slackware, as I said.  Also, this package
> doesn't really support the Linux Filesystem standard at all - same
> reason as previously mentioned.
> 
> I have no desire to do anything other than the most minimal support
> for this package, but I was curious if anyone else would be interested
> in it.  If so, I will look into uploading it somewhere.
> 
> Later,
>   Dale
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Re: using fork in cgi & perl

1997-01-03 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm having a hard time getting fork to work correctly in a cgi script.
> 
> Basically I have a time consuming process which I want to be done in the
> background.
> 
> I have something like this:
> 
> unless (fork) {
> 
> # print out result html page
> exit 0;
> }
> 
> else {
> 
> # do time-intensive stuff
> }
> 
> What's happening is that the child process executes (and becomes zombie)
> and the parent process continues to chug along. The cgi result html only
> comes up after the long process finishes...
> 
> I've tried switching the parent & child to see if it makes a difference,
> but it doesn't. In every case, the html output goes into zombie state, and
> the result page is only displayed after the entire process is complete.
> Almost as if the fork isn't working as intended...
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ricardo
> 

Well, the child is a zombie because the process which called fork
did not wait() on the child process. This can be accomplished 
asynchronously by handling the SIGCHLD signal. The following (somewhat
modified to remove unecessary SysV stuff) example comes from the
perlipc manpage:

sub REAPER { 
$waitedpid = wait;
}

$SIG{CHLD} = \&REAPER;
# now do something that forks...

That code will make sure the child doesn't sit there as a zombie.
As for why the result doesn't come up quickly I can't speculate 
since I don't know what you're doing.

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Re: problem with suid perl scripts in Debian 1.2

1997-01-03 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> 
> Christopher E. Stefan writes:
> 
> >After upgrading from 1.1 to 1.2 none of my suid-perl scripts worked
> >anymore.  I ended up having to put C wrappers around all of them.
> 
> I reported this as a bug a while back, don't recall the number.  A bit
> disappointing to see so little reaction.
> 
> --
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> 

Didn't someone already post some sort of dpkg bug in which suidperl
is superceded by the regular perl or something? (Check the bug list.)

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Re: Lilo

1997-01-03 Thread Alexander Gieg
> I've never heard about Lilo before and it seems to
> be something useful. What is it ? Where is it ?

A software that let's you boot many operating systems,
and/or many versions of Linux kernels. It's installed
with the boot disks, or as a standalone package (see it
in .../base directory in your CD or at the FTP site).

Do this:

man lilo
man lilo.conf

Alexander Gieg

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Interviews...

1997-01-03 Thread Dale Martin
Hello.  When writing papers, I have always used "idraw" to make my
figures - I like it alot more than "xfig" for various reasons.
Anyways, Interviews has been largely unsupported for the last year or
two, so I took one of my trusty old Slackware CDs and made an
interviews package.  Note that the binaries (and libraries) are a.out
- they're from an ANCIENT Slackware, as I said.  Also, this package
doesn't really support the Linux Filesystem standard at all - same
reason as previously mentioned.

I have no desire to do anything other than the most minimal support
for this package, but I was curious if anyone else would be interested
in it.  If so, I will look into uploading it somewhere.

Later,
Dale

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Re: ping reply without OS (was: Re: Unidentified subject!)

1997-01-03 Thread Eloy A. Paris
> Yes, but I've seen it quite often. The symptoms are you can't connect with
> anything, rlogin, telnet or such programs; however the machine gladly replies
> to ping.
> 
> I think the situation arises when an OS _has_ been running on the machine 
> and then crashes or hangs; in this state the ethernet card has been assigned
> an IP address, and then it just answers any ping requests that comes its way,
> without any intervention of the OS.

Well, I am not an expert but I think that in these cases where the OS
crashes and one can still get ping responses from the dead box it is
because the part of the kernel that handles ping request is still
alive. I guess it is because this is a very low level task, not as telnet,
rlogin and such programs that are at a very high level.

What you all think?

E.-

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tecra 730

1997-01-03 Thread Ulrich Lauther
I tried to install my first Debian system on a Tecra 730 nootebook and
failed booting from the rescue disk - by now I know this is a known
problem. At the time, being in a hurry to get my new box up and running,
I installed Slackware instead.
Now the real question: Can I install Debian (from CD-ROM) on top of a
Slackware installation (hopefully without destroying personalizations in
initialization files (.xinitrc, XF86Cobfig, fvwmrc, ...) ?
And how would I go about this (as an experienced Linux user, without any
Debian exposure so far)?

Thanks for any hints.
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FTP problem when using dselect (fwd)

1997-01-03 Thread Dale Scheetz
Victor still can't post to the list, and I'm really swamped at the moment.
Could someone give him a hand?

Thanks,

Dwarf

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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 07:28:58 -0500
From: Victor Torrico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FTP problem when using dselect

Hi Dale,

Sorry to bother you but I still can't post to the list. Would you really
be kind and post this to the list for me?

Victor

-

Using dselect and its ftp worked OK for one download. I tried dselect
ftp again and was unable to log on. Has anyone had this problem and been
able to correct it? I have tried purging and reinstalling "dpkg-ftp" and
"libnet". The messages I received follow:


--

You must supply an ftp site, use of passive mode, username, password,
path to the debian directory,list of distributions you are interested
in and place to download the binary package files to (relative to
/var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp).

Eg:  ftp site: ftp.debian.org
  passive: y
 username: anonymous
 password: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ftp dir: /debian
distributions: stable non-free contrib
 download dir: debian

Enter ftp site [ftp.debian.org]: 

Use passive mode [y]: 

Enter username [anonymous]: 

If you're using anonymous ftp to retrieve files, enter your email
address for use as a password.  Otherwise enter "?" and dpkg-ftp will
prompt you each time.

Enter password [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 

Enter debian directory [/debian/Debian-1.2-fixed]: 

Note: order here is important.  Package files are scanned in order so
later distributions will override earlier ones.

So put stable before unstable.

Enter space seperated list of distributions to get
[admin base]: 

Enter directory to download binary package files to
(relative to /var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/)
[debian]: 

Using FTP to check directories...(stop with ^C)

Connecting to ftp.debian.org...
Net::FTP: Bad hostname 'ftp.debian.org' at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm
line 405
FTP ERROR

query/setup script returned error exit status 1.
Press RETURN to continue.



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Re: ping reply without OS (was: Re: Unidentified subject!)

1997-01-03 Thread Mario Olimpio de Menezes

Hi,

On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Martin Stromberg wrote:

> > 
> > > ping response can be handled by network hardware without OS running.
> > 
> > Uhhmmm... hadn't heard of this ever before. To reply to a ping request
> > the network card has to have an assigned IP address...
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Eloy A. Paris
> > Information Technology Department
> > Rockwell Automation de Venezuela
> > Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323
> 
> Yes, but I've seen it quite often. The symptoms are you can't connect with
> anything, rlogin, telnet or such programs; however the machine gladly replies
> to ping.
> 

I experienced such situation when my nameserver was down for a
warm reboot, so that I couldn't telnet to it, but ping got response from
the machine during the reboot. I can't explain such situation, but it is
quite strange to me.

[]s, mario

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Re: Lilo

1997-01-03 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq


On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Franck LE GALL - STAGIAIRE A FT.CNET/LAB/FCI/PIH wrote:

>   I've never heard about Lilo before and it seems to be something useful.
> What is it ? Where is it ?

LILO -  LInux LOader - Loads Linux from the hard disk without a floppy.
 This program will set up your hard disk to boot Linux.

Theres a separate package lilo_.deb under the base
directory.

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sendmail && procmail troubles!

1997-01-03 Thread Mario Olimpio de Menezes
 
 Hi All,
 
   Happy new year to you!
 
   I did an upgrade of my Debian box, from 1.1 to 1.2, using the
'bo' tree. After that upgrade, procmail didn't filter my mails anymore.
I guess that this is because the permissions of /var/spool/mail/$LOGNAME
are 0600, with user and group  "$LOGNAME.mail", resp.
  Ever time sendmail writes a new mail, it changes the permissions
to 0600, so that procmail can't read the file.
  How can I fix this?
 
  I'm using popclient to retrieve mail from my server. It's working
fine, after a reinstall it. I didn't ask to remove it. 
 
  Thanks you!
[]s, mario



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ping reply without OS (was: Re: Unidentified subject!)

1997-01-03 Thread Martin Stromberg
> 
> > ping response can be handled by network hardware without OS running.
> 
> Uhhmmm... hadn't heard of this ever before. To reply to a ping request
> the network card has to have an assigned IP address...
> 
> -- 
> 
> Eloy A. Paris
> Information Technology Department
> Rockwell Automation de Venezuela
> Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323

Yes, but I've seen it quite often. The symptoms are you can't connect with
anything, rlogin, telnet or such programs; however the machine gladly replies
to ping.

I think the situation arises when an OS _has_ been running on the machine 
and then crashes or hangs; in this state the ethernet card has been assigned
an IP address, and then it just answers any ping requests that comes its way,
without any intervention of the OS.


ping 127.0.0.1,

MartinS


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Re: Dayly maintenance time (was Re: Innd problem)

1997-01-03 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
According to Pete Templin:
> On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> 
> > According to Eloy A. Paris:
> > > Was the time of the maintenance script changed from 6:42 AM in 1.1 to
> > > 3 AM in 1.2?
> > Yes, it has been changed to 03:08. However that is the setting in the 
> > default
> > crontab. If you upgrade a working installation, the crontab will not be
> > adjusted. You'll have to do that yourself: that's basic system 
> > administration.
> 
> I agree that it's basic system administration.  I also feel that each of
> us has the right to run daily "operations" scripts anytime we please.  But
> could those of us who do regularly upgrade working installations be
> informed of this sort of change, if only in the interest of consistency?

Wait a minute. I got 2 things confused here:

1. Daily maintenance was and is at 6:42 (probably; I don't maintain the
   cron package).
2. Daily maintenance for *news* takes places at 3:08 AM because it
   doesn't run from /etc/cron.daily but has it's own crontab.

So, nothing has changed AFAIK.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: Dayly maintenance time (was Re: Innd problem)

1997-01-03 Thread Pete Templin

On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

> According to Eloy A. Paris:
> > Was the time of the maintenance script changed from 6:42 AM in 1.1 to
> > 3 AM in 1.2?
> Yes, it has been changed to 03:08. However that is the setting in the default
> crontab. If you upgrade a working installation, the crontab will not be
> adjusted. You'll have to do that yourself: that's basic system administration.

I agree that it's basic system administration.  I also feel that each of
us has the right to run daily "operations" scripts anytime we please.  But
could those of us who do regularly upgrade working installations be
informed of this sort of change, if only in the interest of consistency?

  --Pete


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Re: Install questions

1997-01-03 Thread Gertjan Klein
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Terrence M. Brannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 > - install MBR on /dev/hda
 > - how do I uninstall it so I can load DOS again?
 > - how do I allow DOS to be booted from a LILO prompt?

  To re-install an MS-DOS MBR, boot DOS from a floppy and type
'fdisk /mbr'. Lilo can boot any partition you like; check it's man page.
If you don't like the lilo interface, you may want to check the page in
my .sig; Boot Control provides alternative MBRs that give an (IMHO)
nicer user interface.

  Gertjan.

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Re: Dayly maintenance time (was Re: Innd problem)

1997-01-03 Thread Eloy A. Paris
> If the 6:42 AM update time is a problem, just go into /etc/crontab and change 
> the time to whatever you feel is best...

I know, I know. I just wanted to know if the default time was changed from
6:42 AM to 3 AM because I think it is a more reasonable time for
a dayly maintenance (at 6:42 AM I already have users working.)

I know I can change /etc/crontab to suit my needs but maybe the not-so-
knowledgeable user won't.

E.-

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Lilo

1997-01-03 Thread Franck LE GALL - STAGIAIRE A FT.CNET/LAB/FCI/PIH
Hello,

I've never heard about Lilo before and it seems to be something useful.
What is it ? Where is it ?

Thanks
Franck


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Re: select+paste does not work under X/Debian 1.2

1997-01-03 Thread Nathan L. Cutler
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Zenon Fortuna wrote:

> I would like to copy lines across opened xterm windows: to select a few
> lines with the left-button, then to go the another window and paste the
> selected text pressing the right button (or the left+right together).
> 
> Why I cannot do it ? Hints ?

It isn't the _right_ mouse button that is generally set to "paste", but 
rather the _middle_ button.  So, if you only have a two-button mouse (not 
so good for X in any case), it must be set up to send the code for the 
middle button when both buttons are pressed at once (the so-called "chord 
click").

I'm not exactly certain how to set this up correctly in your case, since 
I don't know what kind of mouse you have and what its capabilities are.  

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Re: Dayly maintenance time (was Re: Innd problem)

1997-01-03 Thread Eloy A. Paris
Hi Mike,

> > Was the time of the maintenance script changed from 6:42 AM in 1.1 to
> > 3 AM in 1.2?
> 
> Yes, it has been changed to 03:08. However that is the setting in the default
> crontab. If you upgrade a working installation, the crontab will not be
> adjusted. You'll have to do that yourself: that's basic system administration.

That's right, an upgrade of the cron package won't touch /etc/crontab
unless one explicitly tells dpkg to go ahead and use the maintainer's
version of this configuration file.

In my case, when I upgrade from 1.1 to 1.2, I am going to background the
dpkg process (Z option) and examine carefully the differences between
the old and new configuration files of each package since I do not
want to break things just for keeping the old files.

Bye.

E.-

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Re: rescue disks for a tecra

1997-01-03 Thread Kirk Hilliard
I must admit that only my second thought when I read Bruce's note was
for his family's and his property's safety, my first being, "Oh no!
There goes the new boot disks."

The problem is that on Tecra 710/720/730 laptops (I don't know about
the 500 series) lilo cannot load a bzImage.  With the rescue disk, you
get "Loading root.bin " and "Loading linux ",
and then the laptop reboots and gives the "boot:" prompt again.
Loadlin (version 1.6), however, does not have a problem with bzImages.

It has been reported that the Tecra 710/720 BIOS upgrade (720V580.EXE
of 12-06-96) fixes this.  The Tecra 730 BIOS upgrade (730V530.EXE also
of 12-06-96) does not.  I contacted Toshiba about this, and the
Technical representative that I spoke with was very friendly, but I
have not heard back from them yet.  The BIOS upgrades are available at
http://www.toshiba.com/tais/csd/support/files/.

At http://www.cck.uni-kl.de/misc/tecra710/, Jens Maurer discusses the
problem and gives a kernel patch which works around it, a patch which
Bruce was going to incorporate it into the next set of boot disks.  I
would try it myself as a service to other Tecra owners if I knew what
went into the boot disks (possible just the rescue disk).  Can any of
the developers out there help?

Debian 1.2 was going to be an initial installation on my machine, but
due to the problem, I had to install 1.1 first and then upgrade.  (PHT
Linux Monthly CDs finally had a use!)  I made a minimal installation
from the 1.1 CD, but for the service of those who only have a 1.2 CD,
I could test to see what the absolute minimum of 1.1 is necessary.
Perhaps it is possible to use only the 1.1 floppies, and then use the
1.2 CD when dselect is first run.  I doubt that it would be possible
to use the 1.1 boot and root disks, and then substitute the 1.2 base
disks, but I could try.

Once you have a working system, you can make it bootable with the new
bzImage via loadlin, but make sure that you use loadlin version 1.6
which is in the Debian 1.2 loadlin package, not loadlin version 1.5
which is in the /tools directory and can't handle bzImages at all
(nothing to do with Tecras).  (I have notified the loadlin maintainer
about this, but he was not sure who maintained /tools, so he past the
note on to Bruce.  I notice that ftp.debian.org still has loadlin
version 1.5.)  The alternative to using loadlin, of course, is
building a kernel with the patch.

Richard G. Roberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The new kernel doesn't boot and the old kernel has been overwritten.
> This was a 1.1 upgraded, so I don't even have an older working set
> of 1.2 floppies.

Richard,

If you have a 710/720, I recommend the BIOS upgrade.  If you have a
730, you need to boot your system somehow.  If you could get a copy of
the 1.1 boot and root disks, you could mount your system and then grab
your new kernel for use with loadlin.  Unfortunately, buzz seems to
have disappeared from ftp.debian.org.  Alternatively, I could send you
a vmlinuz and loadlin.exe (657183 and 32208 bytes).  Can you uudecode?
If not, what other options are there for email binary transfer?  I
could try to get a minimal web site up tonight as an alternative.  I
don't have access to outgoing ftp, but a link to a binary should be
downloadable over the web.

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Re: Dayly maintenance time (was Re: Innd problem)

1997-01-03 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
According to Eloy A. Paris:
> > It means exactly what it says. Every day (by default at 3:00 AM) the
> > maintenance script "news.daily" has to run. This probably hasn't happened
> > for some reason or the other since a couple of days.
> > 
> > If you fix that, the system will stop sending you mail about it..
> 
> I am waiting for my I-Connect Debian 1.2 CD ROM that was already shipped so
> probably I'll know the answer when I upgrade from 1.1... but in the meanwhile:
> 
> Was the time of the maintenance script changed from 6:42 AM in 1.1 to
> 3 AM in 1.2?
> 
> If this was the case I am glad because 3 AM is a more reasonable time for
> a dayly maintenance script that 6:42 AM.

Yes, it has been changed to 03:08. However that is the setting in the default
crontab. If you upgrade a working installation, the crontab will not be
adjusted. You'll have to do that yourself: that's basic system administration.

Mike.
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select+paste does not work under X/Debian 1.2

1997-01-03 Thread Zenon Fortuna

Maybe it is a question specific more to "X" in general, but I believe
it has something to do with a *default* configuration obtained during
the Debian 1.2 installation:

I would like to copy lines across opened xterm windows: to select a few
lines with the left-button, then to go the another window and paste the
selected text pressing the right button (or the left+right together).

Why I cannot do it ? Hints ?

TIA,
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Re: kernel make deb fails

1997-01-03 Thread J.H.M.Dassen
[moved to debian-user@lists.debian.org; you were using debian-changes!]

Fundamental writes:
> I have installed the kernel source, and when i get to teh stage where i
> should make deb ; make clean  i get the following error,
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [/usr/src/linux]: make deb
> make: *** No rule to make target `deb'.  Stop.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [/usr/src/linux]: 
> 
> what have i missed?

It should say 'make dep' (for dependencies), not 'make deb'.

HTH,
Ray
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rescue disks for a tecra

1997-01-03 Thread Richard G. Roberto
Does anybody know where I can get these?  Bruce mentioned a bug
in the exisisting set, but didn't mention what the bug was.  He's
off line for a while, so if anyone else could point me in the
direction of a working set of boot disks for a tecra for 1.2, I'd
appreciate it.  I used make-kpkg to install a new custom
kernel-image, but it was the same upstream version, so it blew
away the previous working kernel (i.e. they were both 2.0.24, but
had different package versions a la 2.0.24-1.1 and 1.2).  The new
kernel doesn't boot and the old kernel has been overwritten.
This was a 1.1 upgraded, so I don't even have an older working
set of 1.2 floppies.

Any help would be appreciated as I'm quite hosed at the moment :-)

Thanks in advance.

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KBackup

1997-01-03 Thread George Bonser
I mentioned to someone a while back that KBackup was a very nice program
that I used to use when the system was using Slackware but a Debian
package of it did not seem to be available. After doing some looking
around, I see that it is Shareware and that might account for its
absence from Debian.

After looking at Karsten's home page, however, I noted that he is
willing to put it under GPL if he can find a good maintainer for the
program. (see http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Karsten.Ballueder/news )

I do not have the resources to maintain this program but I would like to
mention it here so that possibly someone that does will have a look at
it and possibly "debianize" the thing. It is a VERY nice backup program
(requires expect as I recall). Does seem to have a small problem with
multi-volume zip drive backups but it always worked fine with me with
floppies. It also supports tape devices. What I like about it is that
unlike tar.gz, an error does not cause you to loose the whole archive. A
patch is in the works for the zip drive problem.


The user interface was very nice, as I recall, and easy to operate.

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Re: kernel compile fail

1997-01-03 Thread Fundamental
On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Prashanth Mundkur wrote:

this is it exactly, thanks

mundkur >You need to install the libc5dev package, which has the requisite 
header
mundkur >files.
mundkur >
mundkur >--prashanth
mundkur > 
mundkur >
mundkur >
mundkur >


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Re: where is base deb?

1997-01-03 Thread Lawrence Chim
> If you are doing an upgrade from 1.1 to 1.2, don't force-remove the
> base package even it is marked obsolete.  The package still own files
> that the system need.  Does Debian offer a systematic way to get ride
> of obsolete packages?

I have force removed the base and install the base-file and
base-password,
though.


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Warning on non-existant virtual console

1997-01-03 Thread Pete Templin

Hello all.

I now run both of my Linux boxes in runlevel 4 by default, so that I don't
use up excess getty's on the virtual consoles (runlevel 4 only provides
one console).  I just took a look at Alt-F2 and saw this message:

Warning: dev (04:c2) tty->count(1) != #fd's(2) in do_tty_hangup

There's no login prompt there, which is correct.  I don't think I have
reason to worry about this, but perhaps it indicates a problem somewhere.

  --Pete
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Re: kernel compile fail

1997-01-03 Thread Prashanth Mundkur
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Fundamental wrote:

> 
> Opps, your quite right:)  but, when i did a make dep i get the folowing
> 
> make dep
> gcc -I/usr/src/linux/include -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -o scripts/mkdep
> scripts/m
> kdep.c
> scripts/mkdep.c:1: stdio.h: No such file or directory
> [..]


You need to install the libc5dev package, which has the requisite header
files.

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Re: limiting email size

1997-01-03 Thread Fundamental
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Karl Ferguson wrote:

karl >Sure does - here's what happened while in the bounce while I was 
experimenting:
karl >
karl >   - Transcript of session follows -
karl >... while talking to mail.tower.net.au.:
karl  MAIL From:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=2925297
karl ><<< 552 message too large
karl >554 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Service unavailable
karl >
karl >I guess this is a good-a indication as any.
karl >
karl >Regards,
karl >

Thanks - thats a big file you sent:)



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kernel compile fail

1997-01-03 Thread Fundamental

On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Ngo Bach Long wrote:

dragon >>what have i missed?
dragon >>
dragon >
dragon >I think it's supposed to be "make dep" (as in "dependencies"),
dragon >not "make deb".

Opps, your quite right:)  but, when i did a make dep i get the folowing

make dep
gcc -I/usr/src/linux/include -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -o scripts/mkdep
scripts/m
kdep.c
scripts/mkdep.c:1: stdio.h: No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:2: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:4: string.h: No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:5: sys/types.h: No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:6: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:7: unistd.h: No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:8: sys/fcntl.h: No such file or directory
scripts/mkdep.c:9: sys/mman.h: No such file or directory
make: *** [scripts/mkdep] Error 1

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Re: Building a.out binaries

1997-01-03 Thread Stephen Darragh
> Do you have /usr/i486-linuxaout/bin in your path before /usr/bin?

Yes.

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Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?

1997-01-03 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Kendrick Myatt wrote:

> Um, how am I supposed to connect to the ftp site if I don't have ftp?  Heck,
> I don't have any inet capabilities except for ping!  Maybe I missed
> something in the documentation, but it appears that have a pretty useless
> system installed here.  Is there someplace I can look that will actually
> tell me how to set Debian up?  I swear, this is really annoying.  I have
> installed many complicated OS in my life, but this takes the cake :(  Does
> everyone go through this crap, or did I get defective files or something? 
> *sigh*

If you did not get the ftp binary, then you did not get a complete base 
system.  It's included.  Is your path okay?  I think ftp should be in 
/usr/bin.

Syrus.

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Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?

1997-01-03 Thread Eloy A. Paris
> Um, how am I supposed to connect to the ftp site if I don't have ftp?  Heck,
> I don't have any inet capabilities except for ping!  Maybe I missed
> something in the documentation, but it appears that have a pretty useless
> system installed here.  Is there someplace I can look that will actually
> tell me how to set Debian up?  I swear, this is really annoying.  I have
> installed many complicated OS in my life, but this takes the cake :(  Does
> everyone go through this crap, or did I get defective files or something? 
> *sigh*

What do you mean? If you can ping any host in the Internet then you have
anything you want (FTP, Telnet, News, WWW, etc.) - unless you are
behind a firewall or something.

Any way, what's the specific problem?

E.-

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Re: where is base deb?

1997-01-03 Thread Chow Chi-Ming
> "Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Dale> On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Lawrence Chim wrote:
>> Curiously, the base.deb is missing in the binary-i386/base dir.
>> Where is it?  It's used to be in binary-i386/base dir.  Does it
>> moved to a new place.
>> 
Dale> The base package has been replaced by base-files and
Dale> base-passwd.

If you are doing an upgrade from 1.1 to 1.2, don't force-remove the
base package even it is marked obsolete.  The package still own files
that the system need.  Does Debian offer a systematic way to get ride
of obsolete packages?

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Re: Building a.out binaries

1997-01-03 Thread Tim Sailer
Do you have /usr/i486-linuxaout/bin in your path before /usr/bin?

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Re: problem with suid perl scripts in Debian 1.2

1997-01-03 Thread Richard Kettlewell
Christopher E. Stefan writes:

>After upgrading from 1.1 to 1.2 none of my suid-perl scripts worked
>anymore.  I ended up having to put C wrappers around all of them.

I reported this as a bug a while back, don't recall the number.  A bit
disappointing to see so little reaction.

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Re: where is base deb?

1997-01-03 Thread Lawrence Chim
Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Lawrence Chim wrote:
> 
> > Curiously, the base.deb is missing in the binary-i386/base dir.
> > Where is it?  It's used to be in binary-i386/base dir.
> > Does it moved to a new place.
> >
> The base package has been replaced by base-files and base-passwd.
> 

So, how to remove the base from my system.  I can't remove it as
it is a required package.


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No ftp? Have I missed something?

1997-01-03 Thread Kendrick Myatt
Um, how am I supposed to connect to the ftp site if I don't have ftp?  Heck,
I don't have any inet capabilities except for ping!  Maybe I missed
something in the documentation, but it appears that have a pretty useless
system installed here.  Is there someplace I can look that will actually
tell me how to set Debian up?  I swear, this is really annoying.  I have
installed many complicated OS in my life, but this takes the cake :(  Does
everyone go through this crap, or did I get defective files or something? *sigh*


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Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys

1997-01-03 Thread Orn E. Hansen
> > > What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left
> > > Control keys under X windows?  
> > 
> > It's right in the man page for xmodmap:
> 

Absolutely correct... 

remove lock = Caps_Lock
remove control = Control_L
keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L
keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock
add lock = Caps_Lock
add control = Control_L

  Put those lines into a file, and then run 'xmodmap [file]' and the
Control_Left and Caps_Lock keys change places.  With or without the
extension.


> In X Windows 3.1.2 this will work fine, but in 3.2
> you will need to disable the new XKBD extensions and
> use the old xmodmap method.
> 
Doesn't mean that xmodmap doesn't work...

> The XKBD has only one problem: its very, very, *very*
> more complex than xmodmap. There isn't any HOWTO
> (yet, I hope), so I'm reading the full documentation
> ( > 300 pages!).
> 
> I think there is an easy solution to these problems.
> Why simple things like writing are so complicated?
> 

  The extension has been around, for some time... the SGI has a "setxkeyboard" 
command to load a '.xkm' file, as an example.  But this is an extension
and doesn't replace the older methods of mapping the keyboard...

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Re: Newbie X-WIndows Installation questions

1997-01-03 Thread Nathan L. Cutler
> "Miller" == Eamiller  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Miller> I am brand new to the Linux operating system, and have
Miller> been trying to install XFree86 on my system.  My first
Miller> question is, should I get 3.2 from Xfree86.org, or is
Miller> there a specific Debian package that I can use?  Next, do
Miller> I download the aout files, or the elf files?  I have tried
Miller> both with no success.  When I undo all of the required
Miller> files I get various errors when I try to run XF86Setup.
Miller> Anything from missing library files to a missing card
Miller> file.  I really need more detailed info then XFree86 gives
Miller> me.  Do I untar the files in the root directory, or the
Miller> /usr/X11R6 directory that I create myself.  Right now I am
Miller> totally lost, and desperately seeking help.

I would recommend getting a full Debian distribution (1.2 is the current
stable one).  Then, run 'dselect' to choose which packages you want on
your system.  If 'dselect' has found the distribution correctly, it
will offer you a rich variety of packages to choose from.  There's a
whole section for X11.  As a minimum, you'll need xbase, xfntbase, and
an X server or two (xserver-vga16 and one for your particular video
card).  That should allow you to get X running, then you can install
more X packages as you see fit.

If you're a newbie, don't worry too much about which version of X
you're getting.  Get whichever version comes with the particular
distribution you are installing.  Most likely it will be 3.1.2 -- so
be it.  It's a tried and true X system and you're much less likely to
have problems with it than if you get the newest version at any cost.
Also, many many more people can help you with 3.1.2 than with 3.2,
since 3.2 is extremely new.  Let the experts get used to it first, and
then do what they do.

Hope this helps.  If it doesn't, feel free to send me a personal mail.

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Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys

1997-01-03 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Alexander Gieg wrote:

> > > What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left
> > > Control keys under X windows?  
> > 
> > It's right in the man page for xmodmap:
> 
> In X Windows 3.1.2 this will work fine, but in 3.2
> you will need to disable the new XKBD extensions and
> use the old xmodmap method.

I'm running 3.2, and xmodmap works for me.
I guess I'm not using XKBD.

...RickM...


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Re: Corrupted superblock on msdog partition

1997-01-03 Thread Nathan L. Cutler
> "Tom" ==   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Tom> Nathan L. Cutler writes:
>> By accident, I rebooted my box with an msdog partition mounted
>> manually (i.e. it is not in /etc/fstab).  Now, msdog can't
>> access the partition, and linux says the superblock is corrupt
>> when I try to mount it with mount -t msdos.

Tom> I don't know what happened, but I do this sort of thing all
Tom> the time (i.e.  reboot system with manually mounted
Tom> partitions). I've yet to run into this sort of problem. What
Tom> release are you running?

I'm running a modified 1.1 system.  The whole question is moot now,
because I've moved the disk that contains the damaged partition to
another box.  I think one of two things happened:  (1) the msdog
partition was not synced when I rebooted and the reboot left it in an
unstable state, or (2) DOSEMU (which I was running on the partition as
well) left the partition in an unstable state when I exited.

Today I realized a long-time dream of mine -- I built myself a second
box for msdog and NT.  Hopefully, I'll never have to run two operating
systems on one machine again!  I have both boxes connected to the same
monitor, keyboard and mouse through a mechanical A/B switch (a local
firm custom makes them).  If there's anybody out there who is fed up
with continually rebooting their machine because they are forced to
run Windows software against their better judgment, I highly recommend
this solution.

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Re: Install questions

1997-01-03 Thread Nathan L. Cutler
> "Terrence" == Terrence M Brannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Terrence> - how do I allow DOS to be booted
Terrence> from a LILO prompt?

I had this same question and remember having to do more than the
normal amount of manual reading to figure it out.  Since the solution
is extremely simple, this should not have been the case.  Hopefully,
this will save you from having to go through what I did.

Edit /etc/lilo.conf and add the following clause to it:

# DOS bootable partition config begins
other = /dev/hda1
  label = msdog
  table = /dev/hda
# loader = /boot/any_d.b
# DOS bootable partition config ends

Change '/dev/hda1' to the right device for your system (i.e. the
partition on which you have msdog installed).  If it doesn't work like
that, try uncommenting the load = /boot/any_d.b line.

If you have any trouble, feel free to contact me directly.

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Re: LI???

1997-01-03 Thread Guy Maor
Kendrick Myatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Just curious... I also just noticed there is "1.2 fixed" at the Debian site,
> so I am about to re-install with those images...

The boot disks are the same though (for now).  You can upgrade to
1.2.1 by just installing everything in 1.2-updates or by pointing
dselect at 1.2-fixed.  The READMEs strewn about explain everything.


Guy


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using fork in cgi & perl

1997-01-03 Thread Ricardo Kleemann
Hi,

I'm having a hard time getting fork to work correctly in a cgi script.

Basically I have a time consuming process which I want to be done in the
background.

I have something like this:

unless (fork) {

# print out result html page
exit 0;
}

else {

# do time-intensive stuff
}

What's happening is that the child process executes (and becomes zombie)
and the parent process continues to chug along. The cgi result html only
comes up after the long process finishes...

I've tried switching the parent & child to see if it makes a difference,
but it doesn't. In every case, the html output goes into zombie state, and
the result page is only displayed after the entire process is complete.
Almost as if the fork isn't working as intended...

Any ideas?

Thanks, 
Ricardo


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Re: Has anyone installed on a Toshiba T2115CS?

1997-01-03 Thread Frank Swasey
On Wed, 1 Jan 1997, Alex Lobkovsky wrote:

> Did you turn off power managment in the BIOS?

Yes, I've turned off the three items that TSETUP lets me get to.  I have
found that I can run with an external display without any problem. 

Last night, I was running DOS on the thing and the back of the display
(what I would call the top) got quite hot and there was kind of an ozone
smell when it shutdown.  I plugged in the external display and disabled
the internal, the machine kept running and the lap-top cooled down.

This was a rebuild machine, I am getting very suspicious of a hardware
problem at this point.  However, I'm going to re-install the Windows95 
that it came with as a last resort before I spend lots of money to get it
fixed.

Thanks,
 Frank


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Bruce off-line due to flood

1997-01-03 Thread Bruce Perens
Our house was damaged by flood water - so far not very badly, but it
could get worse. I currently have no operating computers at home and
am busy cleaning up. I've asked the other Debian developers to fill in
for me. I'm speaking at USELINUX on the 9th, and I don't know how useful
I will be to the project before then. The developers have my phone number
if someone needs to reach me in the next few days.

Thanks

Bruce Perens
Debian Project Leader
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Re: Useing $HOME in .fvwmrc file ?

1997-01-03 Thread Kai Grossjohann
> Stan Brown writes:

  Stan> Can I do this? If so how? I need to set up a pixmap
  Stan> path that will point to a place relative to the users home
  Stan> directory.

(1) Use ~/foo to refer to a directory in your home directory.

(2) Use m4 or cpp to preprocess your .fvwmrc file and use their way of
referring to environment variables.

I'm not sure if (1) works but (2) works.

kai
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