Latex BUG!!!
I have been fighting with trying to install the tex related utilities in the unstable subdir for several days now. Finally I have triumphed. My findings suggest that 'cfg, russian, and swedish' should not be selected when running texconfhyphen of the package texlib. This doesn't affect texlib, but it does not function on my setup when configuring latex. If 'cfg' is selected, my hard drive will fill up because the script that configures latex keeps sending 'y\n' to the stdin of a process which is logging 'type X to exit, Q to quietly quit, etc..' to a log file over and over and over and... If russian or swedish is chosen, I get: Rebuilding `latex' format ... Try /usr/sbin/install-fmt-base --help when configuring latex. Is this a known bug? I'm willing to --purge any files and retry and/or install additional packages if it will get everything to work ok, or to do additional testing. I just hope this is a useful bug report. -- Todd T. Fries .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] dpkg 1.4.0.5 linux 2.1.20 latex 2e-7 texlib 1.0-5 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two basic problems I couldn't find docs for
Terrence M. Brannon wrote: How do you tell dselect/dpkg get me back to where I was before I started adding and removing packages ? cd /; rm -rf * then start over :-) Seriously, whether it be mcc-interim (remember that one?!), (what came before slackware, I've already forgotten?!) slackware, or debian, I think it's sometimes valuable to do a couple of trial runs with a new installation until you start to understand how the whole thing works, if you can afford the time. I guarantee you, things become a lot clearer on the third or fourth install! -- Don Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Math Sciences Voice (405) 581-2396 Cameron University Fax (405) 581-2616 Lawton, OK 73505 http://www.cameron.edu/~morton -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] From miss Received: from mongo.pixar.com (138.72.50.60) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 9 Jan 1997 00:21:26 - Received: (qmail 1934 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1997 19:41:41 - Received: from primer.i-connect.net (HELO master.debian.org) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mongo.pixar.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 1997 19:41:41 - Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:43:05 -0500 From: Ami Ganguli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Ganguli Consulting Inc. X-Sender: Ami Ganguli [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Debian for regular folk (was: A proposal to improve dselect) X-Priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Jvigm3.0.Wz.TY_qo@master.debian.org Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/2881 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Priority: non-urgent Importance: low Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Stutz wrote: I am starting a project now that I've been thinking about for some time: making a custom Debian distribution geared toward writers, artists and other creative types who don't have much knowledge of Linux to start with. I think this is a fantastic idea! But I'm not sure about the particular audience you mention (except maybe for 'Net access). You need to identify user groups that would be well served by what's available (HAM operators?). The idea being that they might not care about Debian/computers/whatever, but might benefit from what's available. I know this is a large undertaking -- in the extreme sense, where a Linux/UNIX total beginner buys one of these machines with Linux installed, they're going to need help with administration. Actually, they're going to need someone _else_ to administer it. So I wonder about the feasability of some volunteer Linux administration network, where the end-user has their machine connected to the net via a dialup line and this volunteer network has an admin account on the machine where they can go in and perform routine tasks that need to get done. Or volunteer members get sponsor users who are geographically near them, and only that volunteer has admin access to the machine. Maybe this could be tied in with all the Linux user groups that are sprouting up everwhere, I don't know -- just some open thoughts for debate. I like the 'sponsor' idea a lot - but the system should be developed to a point where the administration is virtually non-existent (by current standards) or this could be hellish. The role of the sponsor should be limited to answering questions except in extreme cases. Basically what we're talking about is Unix a'la Mac. Simplify what you can and remove what you can't. Regards... ... Ami. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ethernet card problem HELLLLLLLLP!
i have two pc one running linux 1.1.47 and the other running linux 1.2.13 both pc have a SMC WD8013 lan card. when i boot any pc, while boot it tell me that it has a WD8013 card on the correct address and irq, even both machines accept the ifconfig command and everything seem to be ok bu when i try to call the other pc i see when a packet goes out (by the light indicators on the lan card) but never establis comunication. i test the card booting both pc on DOS and using the same address, nestmask and bradcast address and work fine even on linux it seem not no receive the arp address of the orther pc. so please sombody who has an idea please let me know i have many days fighting with this problem thanks === Guillermo Solis Aguilar TI2SAG Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: +506.287.0451 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax : +506.223.0920 Telex: : 3761003 VFCONTROL === -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A proposal to improve dselect
I think that this is a great idea. One of the things that keeps Slackware alive is that fact that it is *so* easy to install (even if it is buggy and a nightmare to maintain). My background is this: Had my computer for a year. Never heard of Linux until Apr'96. Started with a CD that had Slack, and RedHat on it. Used slack until sometime in Sept or Oct.'96, then went to Debian. (Found Red hat too confusing to install at first) So, in hindsight, it was necessary to get my hands dirty, and see how bad upgrading, and maintenance could be before I found Debian. I really did think that buying a CD was the best choice until about a month ago, when I started living off the unstable tree. I just point dselect at the ftp site ~once a week, and I am a happy camper. To me the tools contained within any Unix system are almost bound with functionality to the Internet, and with bug fixes, security fixes, ect. the only way to keep up is via Internet, and dselect does this very well. Now really, how much can a complete novice really do with a new Linux machine. It takes an investment of time, energy, and interest to learn even the simplest of tasks, but once you know them ;-) If there were a way to install debian, easily, so that the beginner could do it then it would be really nice. Just group packages into basic groups and make the dependacy selections for them. If they need something else to run the package they need then just install it for them and don't bother telling them. I think we can all agree that a complete beginner is going to have trouble installing any form of Linux/BSD/and yeah maybe even Win95 if they don't do a little research first. When I started I had no idea what a MTA is much less which one I'd like to use. ;-) but gawd to have such a choice ;-) I think it is more important to help complete novices learn a little about what is possible with their new O/S and let them investigate what _they_ want to. Yeah it may take some time to get a fully functional system, but that is how everyone else here did it, right? Do we need to remind people that even though they bought their CD, the software on it is free, an impressive array of tools at your disposal I'd say. As M$uck what they'd charge for such a package. I think the most important thing that that they can get it up and running with as few headaches and confusing messages as possible. Agreed, but I really think that Linux isn't your Moms operating system, and hope it never really is. Once the system is installed then they can go on to dselect (or dpkg) to fine tune which packages they want, *after* they have it working. Adam. I'm not picking on you Adam, I just don't understand the barrage of attacks on dselect, when this novice, really finds it a joy compared to the alternative. I know, everyone just wants it to be the best it can be, buts lets face it, dselect accomplishes a huge amount of work, in a short time with a huge number of options, and only pukes when it is sick. Couldn't ask any more, considering what we paid for it anyway ;-) Thanks to the Maintainer, and kudos. To the other newbies out there, this mailing list somehow ends up archived as a newsgroup. I've found lots of help by searching problems at http://www.dejanews.com/ Rich M [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using mirror with delete_excl
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Dirk Luetjens wrote: I tried to mirror the debian archive with the mirror command. I like to keep the local tree although in the debian hirarchie, so I included the line delete_excl=(/mnt/debian/local) to the config file. But the files in the local tree are still delete during the mirror process. the config file: package=debian site=ftp.inka.de remote_dir=/debian local_dir=/mnt/debian exclude_patt=((i-connect-fixes|ms-dos|msdos-i386|msdos-m68k|binary-alpha|binary-m68k|binary-sparc|source|project|local)($|/)) delete_excl=(/mnt/debian/local) # local_ignore=(/mnt/debian/local) do_deletes=true Here's my mirror config file, which successfully ignores all of the buzz (Debian 1.1) directories I have laying around: package=debian site=ftp.debian.org remote_dir=/debian/ local_dir=/server/ftp/pub/debian/ mail_to=templin delete_excl=buzz* Since I've now publicly mentioned that I carry buzz, I'll mention that my hostname is templinux.bucknell.edu. Since I'm hoping to work on some network changes, I'm not ready to announce it as a public mirror (sorry Bruce!), but it is usually available 24/7. For those who do explore my site, /home/ftp is a symlink to /server/ftp, so anonymous users will come in at /server/ftp. Hope this helps! --Pete ___ Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help installing Debian on a Thinkpad
I am trying to install Debian (1.2) on my Thinkpad 365XD. I cannot get the rescue disk to boot (I have tries both the 12/8/96 and the 1/4/97 disk sets). The symptoms are as follows. I put the floppy in the (external) drive and power-up the machine (same thing happens on warm reboots). I get through the 'boot:' prompt screens by either typing nothing or 'linux floppy=thinkpad'. In either case, I get 'Loading root.bin' and then 'Loading Linux.' and then nothing happens. I had this trouble before Christmas (and have not solved it since then) and I was forced to try installing Slackware 3.0. For Slackware, the installation works just fine and I could even get a poor looking X going. Now however, if I try to latex anything, I get a kernel OOPS and a segmentation fault. TeX seems to work, but both TeX and LaTeX are symlinks to virtex. I would really appreciate any assistance on this problem. Thank you, Paul Rightley -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Digest list availible and web archive
Is the digest debian-user still availible? How do I subscribe to that? Also, is the web archive for debian-user broken? It seems to be mostly empty. Thanks, Chris. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A proposal to improve dselect
Hello I think the ide of a simpel istall-tool as a compliment to dselect wery-much-as-it-is is a god ide. Making dselect more a mangement tool then an install tool. Dselect is a good managment tool, but less god first install tool for inexperient users. Most of the problems that comes with dselect comes of less sucessfull atempt to be a install tool for a novice. One is the way dselect treats recomend dependece. The intension, as I understand it, is to give more guidance to novice users. To some extent it do help keeping systems sane, but ther MUST (IMHO) still be a way to tell dselect to treat recomends like it treats sugests. A comand line toggel wold do. Also a experient user gain allot from using dselect, so ponting att dpkg as an alternativ is not the answer her. This leaves us with to questions o How to inprove dselect further as an mantain-tool. I find most of the previus posters 'smal' sugestions, like inproved searches, less noice, logging e t c being god and construktive ones. o How a simpel install-tool may look. To open a third question, when debian is first run dselect starts automagicaly, then disapers from the startup equaly automagicaly. IMHO it is better to start some 'debian install/maintain menu' from root bashrc (or what ewer). dselect, the new install tool, the basic docs, posably some of the tools from the install disks (module config, kebordsettup, systemname setupp etc) and a shell is nice fings for that menu. That menu shuld not disaper automagicaly! Anny user not noving how to remove it will not want to remowe it! It's great for a novice to have all the basic stuff handy in place. This new esy-install-tool and smal fixes to dselect will fast make debian better an more atractiv without loosing anny old featurs. In the long run i think dselect should work aganst some library that works both from a terminal and from X and svgalib e t c with the same aplication source. Big changes (if neded) can wait untill this rewrite. I am working on one, but the documentation is poor and even worse (for most of You) only in Swedish. In short, it's intended to be som kind of 'Meta library' or wraparound not implementing much self if its alredy availbly. But giving one programming-interface to allot of userinterface. Also making it 'esy' to add new user interface. Anyway, it not in a usefull state yet. If annyone is intrested, mail me and I mail back when i have some desent documentation on my Webpage. At that time, any help will be welcome! Pleace dont expect rapid reply, I do not have all the time i want :( Sorry for my poor english /Lars -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with 1.2.1
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Richard Jones wrote: ok, I installed Debian for the first time about 3 weeks ago (1.2), I've been running Linux for a few years and have previously installed slackware and two versions of red-hat. All in all I'm very pleased with Debian (and I am especially attracted by debian's general design philosophies), however I'm a little surprised at the state of what are called stable releases. Now, my hard-drive collapsed a few days ago, so I've had the please of doing a fresh install of 1.2.1. Unfortunately I had the ncftp problem another person struck a few days ago, that is I used ncftp to get the distribution and ncftp seems not to like symlinks in its recursive mode, therefore I downloaded all of rex then downloaded rex-updates and moved the updates into the rex tree (along with the packages.gz file from rex-fixed). Its possible that this butchery has been reflected in some (but not all) of the problems listed below. If you are using dselect to do the install you will find many things broken by the method you used. The principle thing that you broke, by integrating new packages in by hand in the Packages files. This file is what dselect uses to resolve dependencies and choose packages. Dpkg (maybe it's in dpkg-dev) provides dpkg-scanpackages for reconstructing Packages files. You will need an override file from the indices directory as well in order to use this. Once you have done this, it would be informative to know what else caused problems. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel 2.0.27
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Fundamental wrote: Okay ive compiled my new kernel, made it bootable from a kickstart disk and tried booting - problem, i get a kernel panic. So i just stuck in my old 2.0.0 kickstart and she booted up fine. Im pretty sure the problem is that the new kernel doesnt know which partition to load at boot time, i *think* its trying to load the wrong one. I know i can fix this by running rdev, but how do i run an rdev on a kernel that wont boot? You run rdev against the kernel image file (vmlinux, zImage, bzimage). When you build a kernel from pristine source you will find the kernel in arch/i386/boot. I build zImage so if you: rdev path-to-sourcetree/arch/i386/boot the reply will tell you what device the kernel thinks it is supposed to boot from. Adding the desired path to the above command will change the kernels mind to match your expectations. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multible search and replace?
Chad Zimmerman wrote: Was just wondering if there is a package out that does multiple file search and replaces? I have to go through my main html directory and make a lot of repetive changes. Was wondering if there was a package or a perl script laying arround to do this. Would same me the time of writing one up. Are you an Emacs user? Emacs has dired-do-query-replace, which is on the Operate drop-down mouse menu in dired-mode. You'd have to execute it once for each change to me made, but at least it would do all the files each time. -- ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A proposal to improve dselect
Those are words well spoken... On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Martin Konold wrote: Yes, a very good point. I am offering a host for a mailing list. We should first figure out how it should work and implement it afterwards. There is definetelly a need for a improved dselect. Actually why is the maintainer so silent? Perhaps you would be silent if discussions about your package were turning into some semi-serious bash N trash sessions. I'd like to offer my two cents about Debian and dselect: Most of us are brand new to Linux or are advancing up the UNIX ladder when we install Debian on a machine. Personal computers offer an ability to experiment that the departmental or enterprise server won't give us. With that experimentation comes a few oopses and a few lessons learned. With a true multitasking, multiuser system comes certain hurdles about the boot process and services (daemons). Keep in mind that we are all getting a generally fantastic product for the best price anyone could ask for. I've never been involved in the development of any of the DEC boxes which handle our campus net services, but I believe the standard sequence goes like this: get and compile gcc with the cc that came with the machine. get and compile emacs with gcc. get and compile tcsh, now that you can edit Makefiles with emacs. get and compile perl, now that you've got a shell you're familiar with. get and compile sendmail, so email can actually flow. Heaven forbid one of us gets a compilation error, and wait until it's time to build inn! Take your time with Linux. I openly admit that I had overly high expectations the day my first Pentium arrived. Now that I've finally acquired my second Pentium (http://www.bucknell.edu/~templin/pages/computer if you're curious), I let one run Linux 24/7, and try new packages on the other. Mistakes will happen. Dselect might lead you astray. But accept what the Debian project has given each of us, and send a few thanks to each and every person who has contributed their own time to simplify your life, to make it possible for you to experience UNIX with a minimum of effort on a variety of hardware. The project leader has managed to get a few emails onto the list while cleaning out from a devastating flood. That's what I call dedication. How about we all take a step or two back and peek at what is in front of us? There's a lot there. It may not be the best it can be yet, but it's quite fine in its current form, and a menu-driven is certainly a step up from the command-line origins of UNIX. That said, who is willing to coordinate efforts toward gathering suggestions for dselect, and what is the next step that we need to take? I also have a machine which I am willing to offer up towards mailing lists, disk space, web pages, or whatever. Let me know how I might help. --Pete ___ Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A proposal to improve dselect
So, in hindsight, it was necessary to get my hands dirty, and see how bad upgrading, and maintenance could be before I found Debian. I agree. I started off much the same way (only I started with SunOS, found how yucky upgrading was, found slackware nicer and then found debian a few months ago, we are still in the process of swapping over all of our servers to debian). My point however is that it would be nice if beginners could get their hands dirty *with* debian. It shouldn't be to hard to make a simple front end for dpkg (or a simplified dselect) which the beginner *could* use. Now really, how much can a complete novice really do with a new Linux machine. It takes an investment of time, energy, and interest to learn even the simplest of tasks, but once you know them ;-) Agreed. I've been a sysadmin for 3 years now. It takes a lot of time to get your head around UN*X, especially if you came from a Windows/Mac background and don't have much/any programming experience. The fact that it takes effort is no reason to make it harder. In my mind debian has two things going for it. First, and the reason I changed, is that it makes maintaining multiple systems (new versions, bug fixes etc) *much* easier; second that it provides a good starting point for learning *without* needing to know how to compile programs from scratch. I think we can all agree that a complete beginner is going to have trouble installing any form of Linux/BSD/and yeah maybe even Win95 if they don't do a little research first. When I started I had no idea what a MTA is much less which one I'd like to use. ;-) but gawd to have such a choice ;-) Exactly. Lets make it as easy as possible for them to get something they can use working (which it nearly is already) rather then say that since it's going to be hard there's no point trying to make it easy. I think it is more important to help complete novices learn a little about what is possible with their new O/S and let them investigate what _they_ want to. Yeah it may take some time to get a fully functional system, but that is how everyone else here did it, right? I think the fact that Debian is free is a non-issue. It has nothing to do with the problem. Helping them learn is important, and educating them on what the choices mean is important. But a very good tool to help that education would be a working linux system! Agreed, but I really think that Linux isn't your Moms operating system, and hope it never really is. I don't think it has much to offer the average mom and pop, *but* if they want to use it more power to them. Lets help them. I'm not picking on you Adam, I just don't understand the barrage of attacks on dselect, when this novice, really finds it a joy compared to the alternative. I know, everyone just wants it to be the best it can be, buts lets face it, dselect accomplishes a huge amount of work, in a short time with a huge number of options, and only pukes when it is sick. Couldn't ask any more, considering what we paid for it anyway ;-) I'm not picking on dselect, it's the best tool that I've ever used to maintain any UN*X system. I am commenting on ways to make *starting* with Debian easier. One stubling block for new users is dselect. It is not very intuitive and takes a while to get your head around. Thanks to the Maintainer, and kudos. Agreed :) Adam. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE
Kendrick Myatt wrote: At 07:15 PM 1/5/97 -0600, Guy Maor wrote: No, dselect's ftp method, dpkg-ftp, uses perl's Net::FTP to do ftp (the protocol). It does not require ftp (the client). Use dselect to get netstd and you'll have ftp (the client). # It may have gotten lost when the list went down last week, but I posted about the dselect pseudo-ftp not working either. So since I have no ftp binary, or way to get the netstd package, I am still out of luck. When I run dselect and attempt to connect this is what I get... Using FTP to check directories...(stop with ^C) Connecting to ftp.debian.org... Net::FTP: Bad hostname 'ftp.debian.org' at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 405 FTP ERROR Someone from this list forwarded me this, and it is the EXACT same thing that happens to me. I tried it with that host, other hosts, etc.. no good. It bombs out just like that :( Speaking as a Perl programmer who uses Net::FTP regularly, the only reason for that error is an inablity to resolve that hostname. This has two sources: 1. DNS/NIS/whatever you're using to resolve addresses isn't set up. 2. You're box is behind a firewall. Net::FTP can deal with some firewalls (not sure if it supports SOCKS). If you have a firewall, set FTP_FIREWALL=host from your shell before using Net::FTP (in dselect or wherever) Hope this helps Stephen --- Normality is a statistical illusion. -- me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
consulting
Are there people who serve as Debian consultant on a paid basis? I don't have many questions, but I would prefer fast and accurate response, even if I have to pay. -- terrence brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephones: home: 818-844-6401 360 S. Euclid Ave #124, Pasadena, CA 91101 /o)\fax: 213-740-5687 http://rana.usc.edu:8376/~brannon \(o/ that's right, 56*8*7 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PCMCIA problem on Toshiba Satellite Pro 410 CDT
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Nico De Ranter wrote: Hi, I just tried to install Debian on a Toshiba Satellite Pro 410 CDT with a 3Com Etherlink III PCMCIA network adapter. I wanted to install Debian using NFS but the installation disks do not seem to recognize my PCMCIA-adapter (it doesn't even start thinking about the pcmcia network adapter). Does anybody know how to install Debian on this machine. I really don't feel like putting everything on disks :-) and I do not have a CDROM distribution. Exactly what do you have installed? I installed on a couple of Tecra laptops by putting base on a dos formatted partition I later used for swap. I only needed to have the two floopies and mount the dos partition. I also put the pcmcia-modules and pcmcia-cs packages on the same partition so I only had to do a dpkg -i on those packages and I had networking! I used dselect's ftp method to do the rest of the install, where I grabbed pcmcia-source so I could mess around with custom kernels of various revs and recompile the pcmcia modules. The important thing to tell you about this setup is to _not_ configure the network in the dinstall process. That will only confuse the pcmcia startup. Let the pcmcia package take care of configuring the network. Good luck. Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011-81-3-3437-7967 - Tokyo, Japan -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few questions.
Jon == [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jon I've switched from slackware to debian. I have a few Jon questions that I'd appreciate any help with. [snip -- dunno the answer] Jon 2) I am use to directly building slackware kernals. Will Jon something like make config; make; make zImage; make zlilo; Jon make modules; make modules_install break any dependancy info? Jon I noticed make-kpkg; what options would be comparable to the Jon makes above? I don't use the debian kernel-source package at all. I download Linus's kernels and install them in /usr/src/linux and compile them as per /usr/src/linux/README. I have never had any problems with this, and otherwise have a full Debian system. IMHO the kernel-source package can never give you the fine-tuned kernel you need for your particular machine and your particular tastes. -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xterm color
Herbert == Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Instructions for turning on recognition of the color change escape sequences is in the xterm man page. Herbert Yes indeed. And that means you need this resource line: HerbertXTerm*customization: -color Herbert in your /etc/X11/Xresources file or your user Xresource Herbert file if you don't want it for the world. I noticed after upgrading to 3.2 that xterm was not displaying color. I tried running it with various command-line options, to no avail. However, when I added the contents of the following file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color to my .Xresources file and restarted X, the colors started to work. -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A proposal to improve dselect
Pete == Pete Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pete Keep in mind that we are all getting a generally fantastic Pete product for the best price anyone could ask for. Hear, hear. Pete Dselect might lead you Pete astray. But accept what the Debian project has given each Pete of us, and send a few thanks to each and every person who Pete has contributed their own time to simplify your life, to Pete make it possible for you to experience UNIX with a minimum Pete of effort on a variety of hardware. The project leader has Pete managed to get a few emails onto the list while cleaning out Pete from a devastating flood. That's what I call dedication. Hear, hear. Pete How about we all take a step or two back and peek at what is Pete in front of us? There's a lot there. It may not be the Pete best it can be yet, but it's quite fine in its current form Hear, hear. -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multible search and replace?
Chad Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : Was just wondering if there is a package out that does multiple file : search and replaces? I have to go through my main html directory and make : a lot of repetive changes. Was wondering if there was a package or a perl : script laying arround to do this. Would same me the time of writing one : up. I think you should be able to do that with sed : sed s/X/Y filename replaces all Xs with Ys in the file 'filename'. I dunno if it takes * as an argument, but if it doesn't you should still be able to do it using xargs. Mat -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A proposal to improve dselect
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Philippe Troin wrote: On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 15:42:27 +0100 Gertjan Klein ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: One of my most serious criticisms is the fact that in spite of the dependencies being known, packages aren't installed in the right order. If package 1 depends on package 2, then package 2 *must* be installed *first*. This isn't done; I consider this a bug, that should be reported. Not a bug. What you describe is pre-dependencies. It's a bit too long to explain here, but you can find all the details in the Debian policy manual. Dpkg does the work right... so far. Phil. I beg to differ, but dpkg has not been doing the work right on my system. Indeed if you read the install reports being posted, you'll see that the fix for many instllation problems is to reinstall the broken package as its depended upon package was probably installed after it. gcc, perl, some parts of the libc stuff (don't remember which or what) gagged on me. In dselect it was too easy to fix to care about it (despite its bad wrap about the interface, dselect really does kick ass), so I don't have any specifics. I think Gertjan is right. Pre-dependencies are only for packages that rely on a fully functional (i.e. unpacked and configured) package in order to install. Dependencies on packages that are required for the package to run (but not required for installation) should not be pre-depended upon. These are just standard depends. Although largely this works out OK, I have seen some problems on my system with it and have certainly seen enough reports here to agree with Gertjan. I think that Dale and someone else (maybe Manoj?) are working on dselect back end type stuff that addresses this ordering issue. That would take the burden off of dpkg to do this when the new back end is in use anyway. Thanks Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011-81-3-3437-7967 - Tokyo, Japan -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with 1.2.1
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Richard Jones wrote: ok, I installed Debian for the first time about 3 weeks ago (1.2), I've been running Linux for a few years and have previously installed slackware and two versions of red-hat. All in all I'm very pleased with Debian (and I am especially attracted by debian's general design philosophies), however I'm a little surprised at the state of what are called stable releases. Now, my hard-drive collapsed a few days ago, so I've had the please of doing a fresh install of 1.2.1. Unfortunately I had the ncftp problem another person struck a few days ago, that is I used ncftp to get the distribution and ncftp seems not to like symlinks in its recursive mode, therefore I downloaded all of rex then downloaded rex-updates and moved the updates into the rex tree (along with the packages.gz file from rex-fixed). Its possible that this butchery has been reflected in some (but not all) of the problems listed below. If you are using dselect to do the install you will find many things broken by the method you used. The principle thing that you broke, by integrating new packages in by hand in the Packages files. This file is what dselect uses to resolve dependencies and choose packages. But if I have correctly moved the packages from rex-updates into their correct places in rex, then moved Packages.* from rex-fixed also into rex then my rex should be the same as rex-fixed shouldn't it? Dpkg (maybe it's in dpkg-dev) provides dpkg-scanpackages for reconstructing Packages files. You will need an override file from the indices directory as well in order to use this. Once you have done this, it would be informative to know what else caused problems. Well a few problems were caused by me not deleting the old packages from the tree when I had moved across new ones. Also a few problems were caused by packages that had been fixed but hadn't reached my mirror at the time I downloaded the whole lot. Unfortunately I don't have time to do another fresh install, so unfortunately due to the non-standard install method (which sounds like it was definately part of the problem), all the data I collected on the install process is pretty useless as far as putting in reliable bug reports goes :(...but maybe someone else doing a fresh install the right way could use some of the notes as a cross-reference for any probs they have. Is it possible that some packages that have had problems that are fixed are only reaching the development release? I noticed that apache (which i'm about to do a reported bug check on) has a very messed up directory structure despite noticing a couple of recent updates to the unstable version of this package. Luck, Thanks. Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libndbm + libdbm
I was wondering where i could get these libraries from? I searched the ftp.debian.org via the web debian package finder and came up with nothing. thanks c'ya hate to be ya michael Ho-Ho A MUSICAL EVENING The geisha's pose is shadowed on the screen Beside a willow sapling, fledged with green. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Timothy Phan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of all this and process of setting up a mirror. High speed here means T1 plus -- it will cost you many thousands of dollars. -- Shields, CrossLink. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maintaining multiple Debian boxes
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arrigo Triulzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have now reached a count of 56 for the number of Debian boxes under my control and keeping them in sync (with rdist and lots of hacking) is beginning to get out of hand. I've been doing multiple-box management for a while and eventually I realized that I really don't want them in perfect sync. I want to be able to do gradual rollouts when new packages appear. That way if something is broken, I break it on just one machine and will notice it before the rollout gets too far. What I do, then, is just to run dselect every now and then and install new packages. I test whatever I've upgraded a bit, and then I let it run. Your situation may be different -- I'm only dealing with about twenty machines, and they are mostly servers rather than workstations. The kernel is not in-place upgradable so you will need to give it some special-case handling. A postinst that does a shutdown -r is a possibility... Also, many postinst scripts are interactive; you will need to think about how to handle that. -- Shields, CrossLink. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using mirror with delete_excl
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dirk Luetjens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to mirror the debian archive with the mirror command. I like to keep the local tree although in the debian hirarchie, so I included the line delete_excl=(/mnt/debian/local) to the config file. But the files in the local tree are still delete during the mirror process. It's a relative path -- use `local_ignore=local'. -- Shields, CrossLink. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
How much disk space is required for a Debian ftp mirror? I am mirroring the rex, rex-updates, buzz-updates, and the non-US as well as a few other misc. programs on 80% or a 500 meg partition. Mark -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multible search and replace?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Chad Zimmerman wrote: Was just wondering if there is a package out that does multiple file search and replaces? I have to go through my main html directory and make a lot of repetive changes. Was wondering if there was a package or a perl script laying arround to do this. Would same me the time of writing one up. Yes, I wrote me such a perl script some time a go. I havent made a debian package of it though, but I'll send you the script. I somebody else is intrested, mail me... - -- Name: Hakan Ardo E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://www.ub2.lu.se/~hakan/sig.html Public Key: Try finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interests: WWW, Programming, 3D graphics Thought for the day: As long as one understands, the spelling does not matter :-) - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMtQ+AN6dx9igIm71AQFlSQP9HAZNDMkZPy1JybjyV9oyM7GI+V2c/tDe AdE17nw9DNqOnmb0/vvpgHH61Sy9KKAhkgkp/owe8VszeHRS9KxaPhi/Ebk02/Ms jw/SBLawyy62Xqhnf0iaqJe8y9QTuYNUEDglGo8yDrm2wsgdTsDdcoR0VgQONne/ 2Mfthkrlf0A= =ylDi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Colour inkjet printers
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Kevin Scott wrote: I am currently considering the purchase of a colour inkjet printer, for text and graphics printing (including images from Photo-CD). I would be interested in experiences people have had in using them with Debian - the models I am currently interested in are the Epson Stylus 500 and Stylus Pro and the HP 820CXi and 870CXi. I presume the main issue is how well Ghostscript manages to drive the printers, and whether all the driver options can be accessed without running under Windows. snip I've got an Epson color stylus 500...works great with Linux. The HP 820CXi is Windoze only...no PCL brain. Just my $.02 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ethernet card problem HELLLLLLLLP!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Guillermo Solis wrote: i have two pc one running linux 1.1.47 and the other running linux 1.2.13 both pc have a SMC WD8013 lan card. when i boot any pc, while boot it tell me that it has a WD8013 card on the correct address and irq, even both machines accept the ifconfig command and everything seem to be ok bu when i try to call the other pc i see when a packet goes out (by the light indicators on the lan card) but never establis comunication. I had a simular problem once. All my packages where counted by the errors: counter of ifconfig. I solved it by booting DOS, and running the ezstart configuration utility I had recieved on the drivers diskette that came with the card. That was a SMC Ultra card, so givie it a try. - -- Name: Hakan Ardo E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://www.ub2.lu.se/~hakan/sig.html Public Key: Try finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interests: WWW, Programming, 3D graphics Thought for the day: As long as one understands, the spelling does not matter :-) - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMtQ//d6dx9igIm71AQHNYQP9GvmWJZ7r0WiXFztixYhm3Tx9u7COL/1j oi0xoY85e+nX+6sD8WGO0SNnndRM3Z+Uni2ygz8xdno8FN7lJx1MXjXkLXvrPuds Fk6ypd/fbuCyAB2+rJKaT1QkAnG+aKz4XZMckdnqANb8c9XUBVrSCSZTqsCniy+D QvfIg9XpA0s= =6N/P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel 2.0.27
On 8 Jan 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: srivasta Hmm, srivasta srivasta /dev/sda1. Well, I wonder if the scsi modules have been srivasta compiled in the new kernel? You may have a problem otherwise. srivasta well, this is odd. The machine im compiling on has two scsi drives, when i do a fresh off the disk install with kernel 2.0.0 it works fine, so i assumed that if i leave the kernel option at defaults, the later version should work identically to the orginal 2.0.0 (ie, it detects the scsi drives and already has the scsi modules built into it). Obviously not, im redoing the config now and loading in the appropriate scdi drivers, i'll see what happens. c'ya hate to be ya michael Ho-Ho A MUSICAL EVENING The geisha's pose is shadowed on the screen Beside a willow sapling, fledged with green. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UPS Support
Is there any Linux / Debian support for the APC UPS PRO series ?? If so, what package/program should I be looking for ? Thanks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A proposal to improve dselect
[Fun. The spamfilter rejected my email. Musta forgot to register my silas account.] : To the other newbies out there, this mailing list somehow ends up : archived as a newsgroup. I've found lots of help by searching : problems at : http://www.dejanews.com/ There's a mail-to-news gateway, I think at yggdrasil(sp?). It's supposed to be moderated, and the moderator's address is - you guessed it - [EMAIL PROTECTED] That way, posts to the newsgroup (should) reach the mailing list, and vice versa. Just FWIW. The newsgroup is linux.debian.user. -- Okay, I've created my \etc directory. What files do I put into it? Lusers. Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you waiting for Bruce to do something?
If you are waiting to get on the developers mailing list or to get a login on the master system, please send me a reminder and prepare to wait a few more days. I've been awfuly busy with the flood in my home and other matters. I've offloaded my boot disk tasks on other programmers, so those should proceed in my absence. I'll be at USELINUX all day Thursday and Friday. Thanks Bruce Perens -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Kendrick Myatt wrote: At 10:25 AM 1/6/97 -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: Well, you are partially correct. There is no ftp client on the base disks. However, dpkg-ftp IS provided on the base system and dselect's ftp method should work. It does not. This is what I get when I try and run dselect with the FTP access method: Connecting to ftp.debian.org... Net::FTP: Bad hostname 'ftp.debian.org' at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 405 FTP ERROR This is a demonstration that dpkg-ftp is working properly. It is reporting that the name specified (which is correct, by the way) either wasn't know to the name server, or you have not designated one correctly (you may have followed instructions and comma seperated a list of name servers) /etc/resolv.conf is where this belongs. Mine looks like: domain polaris.net search polaris.net nameserver 199.44.34.2 If you want more than one (have a list where I have only one) remove any commas. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two basic problems I couldn't find docs for
From: Don Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...I think it's sometimes valuable to do a couple of trial runs with a new installation until you start to understand how the whole thing works, if you can afford the time. I guarantee you, things become a lot clearer on the third or fourth install! That is true, but if an OS has to be installed three or four times, something is seriously wrong. Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie 1.1.1 Install Problem...
Repeated attempts to boot from the debian 1.1.1 boot floppy last night produced the same results each time -- I could get to the boot: prompt ok, but after pressing enter, the screen would fill with numbers in square brackets, scrolling endlessly with 10 second pauses after every few screenfuls. The first three groups of numbers were interspersed with some other multi-line message, but I couldn't figure out any way to stop the scrolling to read it. I have the InfoMagic Linux Developer's Resource 6-CD set. My system is a Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz, with 32megs RAM and a 400 meg disk partition, (just vacated from NT 4.0). I have a PAS16 audio card, an Adaptec 1542 SCSI adapter, which has connected to it a 1.2 Gig SCSI drive (all filled up), a SCSI Zip drive, an HP ScanJet IIC, and a NEC internal SCSI cdrom drive (2X). I also have an internal IDE drive and internal IDE cdrom drive (6X), and that 400 meg partition I want to use for Linux is located on the IDE drive. (Modem btw is a plug-n-play Zoom/ComStar DSVD 28800 internal, which I highly doubt will work with Linux, as it won't work either with NT.) I currently have the SCSI HD partitioned into D: and E:, and the IDE partitioned also into two drives C: and what would be F: although it had NTFS on it, so is not visible to DOS currently. I did notice the boot commands on the help screen which are needed for Adaptec 1542 cards, IDE hd's, and PAS16 sound cards. But how do I enter more than one of these at the boot: prompt? When I type the first one and press enter, it goes ahead with the loading... message, and within seconds I begin to see the scrolling sets of numbers in square brackets, as mentioned above. Sorry this is so lengthy, but I'm trying to include whatever might be helpful info to diagnosing what is going wrong here. I've spent several hours on it last night and today, and am still determined to get Linux up and running here. g Thanks for any help. Jim B. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie 1.1.1 Install Problem...
Repeated attempts to boot from the debian 1.1.1 boot floppy last night produced the same results each time -- I could get to the boot: prompt ok, but after pressing enter, the screen would fill with numbers in square brackets, scrolling endlessly with 10 second pauses after every few screenfuls. The first three groups of numbers were interspersed with some other multi-line message, but I couldn't figure out any way to stop the scrolling to read it. I have the InfoMagic Linux Developer's Resource 6-CD set. My system is a Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz, with 32megs RAM and a 400 meg disk partition, (just vacated from NT 4.0). I have a PAS16 audio card, an Adaptec 1542 SCSI adapter, which has connected to it a 1.2 Gig SCSI drive (all filled up), a SCSI Zip drive, an HP ScanJet IIC, and a NEC internal SCSI cdrom drive (2X). I also have an internal IDE drive and internal IDE cdrom drive (6X), and that 400 meg partition I want to use for Linux is located on the IDE drive. (Modem btw is a plug-n-play Zoom/ComStar DSVD 28800 internal, which I highly doubt will work with Linux, as it won't work either with NT.) I currently have the SCSI HD partitioned into D: and E:, and the IDE partitioned also into two drives C: and what would be F: although it had NTFS on it, so is not visible to DOS currently. I did notice the boot commands on the help screen which are needed for Adaptec 1542 cards, IDE hd's, and PAS16 sound cards. But how do I enter more than one of these at the boot: prompt? When I type the first one and press enter, it goes ahead with the loading... message, and within seconds I begin to see the scrolling sets of numbers in square brackets, as mentioned above. Sorry this is so lengthy, but I'm trying to include whatever might be helpful info to diagnosing what is going wrong here. I've spent several hours on it last night and today, and am still determined to get Linux up and running here. g Thanks for any help. Jim B. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel compile 2.0.27
Okay, now the kernel isnt dying as early on as before, it mounts the correct filesystems and continues to load until it gets to the following; SIOCSIFADDR:No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device SIOCSIFADDR:No such device SIOCADDRT: network unreachable SIOCADDRT: network unreachable [snip] Then hangs on Checking serial devices what have missed this time?:) c'ya hate to be ya michael Ho-Ho A MUSICAL EVENING The geisha's pose is shadowed on the screen Beside a willow sapling, fledged with green. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A proposal to improve dselect
From: Richard Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Now really, how much can a complete novice really do with a new Linux machine. It takes an investment of time, energy, and interest to learn even the simplest of tasks, but once you know them ;-) ^^ ...it still doesn't help because you install a new distribution which requires learning an entirely different set of customizations, which you can't figure out because there never was decent documentation to really learn how things worked with trying every little option yourself! I'm not complaining about Debian, or its being different--I'm complaining about the apparent general Unix philosophy of never really providing decent documentation...well...at least for all the things I happen to run into (where it's weak on critical details and on orientation to how things fit together). (What's my current frustration? I can't edit anything efficently in emacs because I still haven't been able to find sufficient documentation to set up my keyboard under X. This isn't a Debian problem (as far as I know). For example, the X man. page that documents XkbOptions doesn't say what legal values for the option are. So how on earth can one know what option values to use?) I think it is more important to help complete novices learn a little about what is possible with their new O/S and let them investigate what _they_ want to. Yeah it may take some time to get a fully functional system, but that is how everyone else here did it, right? That is no excuse (to avoid trying to do better, for anyone who wants Debian or Linux to be used more widely). Remember, the users might want do something other than Unix system admini- stration. For example, the main reason I just installed Debian was to upgrade my old Slackware 2.1 system to ELF and a modern kernel, and that was to be able to get Java tools and learn it. My goal of upgrading was to be able to do cer- tain other things, not to learn more about Unix/Linux administration. Yes, it was worth the time it took to learn dselect, because I'll keep using that as I download, install, and remove things. And, yes, I have learned a little more about various other things, but the hours I've spend trying to get X and other problems fixed and out of the way are a different story. And I still don't know any Java. Remember, I'm not saying Debian is bad, or free software is bad, just that whoever wants more non-hackers (that is, not-so-experienced or non-so- technical users) to use it better keep user needs in mind. Daniel -- Daniel S. Barclay Compass Design Automation, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite 100, 5457 Twin Knolls Rd. Columbia, MD 21045 USA -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multible search and replace?
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote: Chad Zimmerman wrote: Was just wondering if there is a package out that does multiple file search and replaces? I have to go through my main html directory and make a lot of repetive changes. Was wondering if there was a package or a perl script laying arround to do this. Would same me the time of writing one up. Are you an Emacs user? Emacs has dired-do-query-replace, which is on the Operate drop-down mouse menu in dired-mode. You'd have to execute it once for each change to me made, but at least it would do all the files each time. Wow! For a modeless editer, emacs sure has a lot of modes! In any reasonable vi clone (e.g. nvi, vim, elvis, etc.) you have basically two modes: insert and command. If your in insert, hit the escape key to get into command mode. Then just type a colon : and enter %s/text to replace/text to replace with/g. This is pretty standard syntax for this sort of thing in unix. The % is a short cut for specifying all lines in the file which could be done with 1,$ longhand. The s is swap or switch or something like that. The first slash marks the begginning of the search text. The second slash separates that from the replacement text and the last ends the text spec. The g indicates a global operation for each line specified (in this case all lines). The global specification is needed if you want all incidents of the search text on each line replaced. So, in vi just type: :%s/whatever/whatever else/g Very simple. The text can contain pretty much anything, but some stuff may need to be esaped with a back slash \ or input as is with a ^Vcharacter. Outside of that, I'm sure there must be some handy HTML editors that can do this as well. Thanks Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] 011-81-3-3437-7967 - Tokyo, Japan -- *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multible search and replace?
From: Chad Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Was just wondering if there is a package out that does multiple file search and replaces? I have to go through my main html directory and make a lot of repetive changes. Was wondering if there was a package or a perl script laying arround to do this. Would same me the time of writing one up. Hopefully you'll get a more general answer too, but if you are an Emacs user, you probably want to know about this method: Outside of emacs, run etags, giving it the names of all the files in the subtree. For exapmle: cd wherever etags `find -type f` The in emacs, use the tags-query-replace command. (For this use of etags, the point is just to list all the files. It doesn't matter whether etags and emacs recognize any tags within the files.) Daniel P.S. This probably should go to a general Unix list, since it's not a specific Debian question. P.P.S. And it's probably in somebody's FAQ list somewhere, or should be, since it is asked once in a while. -- Daniel S. Barclay Compass Design Automation, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite 100, 5457 Twin Knolls Rd. Columbia, MD 21045 USA -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xterm color
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997 18:59:28 GMT, Nathan L. Cutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, when I added the contents of the following file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color to my .Xresources file and restarted X, the colors started to work. So is Debian X finding the app-defaults files at all? Michael Harnois ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | It is easier to make a saint out of a No Organization Whatsoever | libertine than out of a prig. -- Santayana -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
You dont't need a high speed link if you are very patiant. :-) The entire
mirror is around 1 Gig, so if you get a good 28.8 connection you should
be able to download about 1 meg every 6 minutes. so 1 gig would be 6000
minutes or 100 hours or about 4-5 days for the initail mirror. After
that you should be able to do it overnight.
Hope this helps,
Shaya
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On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:
Hi,
I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that
I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently
I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know
how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of
all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of
harddrive space 10G in total).
Please advise and be descriptive because I'm quite novice in
this. Many THANKS!
Guy Maor wrote:
:
:Without Incoming and WebPages, 1018149 Kbytes for the whole thing.
:
:
:Guy
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Re: Linuxconf
Actually we were discussing this on debian-devel a few weeks ago. The problem with it right now is that we need a utility written to make linuxconf really debian complient (so that when ever you install a package linuxconf will now about it). However, it's not just a utility that is needed, we would also need to change the way the packages are constructed in a tiny way (or include a special database file) so that the dropin can be generated and removed on the fly when you install or remove a package. Some people are against using linuxconf, personally I'm for it, but I don't have enough time to try to build the tools neccesart for it b/c this is my senior year in high school and I am studying for about 4-7 AP exams and trying to do my Eagle project for Boy Scouts and still remain active in the the Debian community. I am however willing to protoype the method with which this can be done on debian-devel. Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: Will Linuxconf be integrated into Debian Linux? I just got a copy, and am going to see what it is this week. -- __ _Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ http://www.inetarena.com/~karlheg / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Portland, OR, USA / /__| | | | | |_| | Proudly running Linux 2.0.27 transname \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ and Debian GNU public software! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE
I've finally had it. Not to knock Kendrick. His post just pushed me over the edge. Nothing personal. I'm in the same boat as him, generally. So many questions on this list --- and practically no one knows how to TROUBLE SHOOT! (Including me!) Am I wrong about that?? How can we get to the point of standing on our own two feet with this linux system? -- Maybe I shouldn't send this -- sounds like I'm angry at someone -- maybe I am: with myself. Used to be able to set breakpoints, single step, etc. What is this linux stuff all coming to if we can't get to the bottom of a problem by ourselves? What do we have to *do* to be able to solve a problem on this system by using our own methods ? I really do appreciate the help that incompetents like me can get from more expert individuals -- but how do we get to be able to fix stuff for ourselves ??? On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Kendrick Myatt wrote: At 07:15 PM 1/5/97 -0600, Guy Maor wrote: No, dselect's ftp method, dpkg-ftp, uses perl's Net::FTP to do ftp (the protocol). It does not require ftp (the client). Use dselect to get netstd and you'll have ftp (the client). # It may have gotten lost when the list went down last week, but I posted about the dselect pseudo-ftp not working either. So since I have no ftp binary, or way to get the netstd package, I am still out of luck. When I run dselect and attempt to connect this is what I get... Using FTP to check directories...(stop with ^C) Connecting to ftp.debian.org... Net::FTP: Bad hostname 'ftp.debian.org' at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 405 FTP ERROR Someone from this list forwarded me this, and it is the EXACT same thing that happens to me. I tried it with that host, other hosts, etc.. no good. It bombs out just like that :( So, until I can find some 1.1 disks, or this gets fixed my server is still down... Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xterm color
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Nathan L. Cutler wrote: I noticed after upgrading to 3.2 that xterm was not displaying color. I tried running it with various command-line options, to no avail. However, when I added the contents of the following file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color to my .Xresources file and restarted X, the colors started to work. Hiya, I think it's great how many solutions folks have come up with for xterm color problems. Here's what I did, although it's not quite as elegant as the others. I didn't have any Xresource files around and I didn't want to make a global one so I went to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults, took the contents of XTerm-color and pasted it onto the end of XTerm. That seemed to work ok too Jesse Goldman -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thinking of switching to Debian
If I install the base system (just the four floppies), will I be able to dial in to my ISP and, using TIA or SLiRP, use the dselect ftp method to get the packages I need? If not, what further must I download? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian for regular folk (was: A proposal to improve dselect)
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Ami Ganguli wrote: Michael Stutz wrote: I am starting a project now that I've been thinking about for some time: making a custom Debian distribution geared toward writers, artists and other creative types who don't have much knowledge of Linux to start with. I think this is a fantastic idea! But I'm not sure about the particular audience you mention (except maybe for 'Net access). You need to identify user groups that would be well served by what's available (HAM operators?). Yes, that's mentioned in 15.3 in the FAQ. As for writers, I believe that anything on the market for wintel cannot compare to the tools I have available with Debian/GNU Linux (emacs, TeX, rcs, ispell, bash, perl, etc). Not only can I do serious text editing, but I can produce _typeset_ copy. Yes, there is TeX for windows but it's the combination of tools I have that's so powerful. Graphics is the same, with The GIMP, pbmplus, ghostview, xpaint, etc. And of course net access. And even all the tools a small business or art/craft venture needs (sc, bc, xcalc, xfig, etc). So I would think that a custom distribution and the appropriate manuals could be excellent for others with these interests, except it would be minus the initial work of pulling it all together, getting everything to work, figuring out best practices, etc. I like the 'sponsor' idea a lot - but the system should be developed to a point where the administration is virtually non-existent (by current standards) or this could be hellish. The role of the sponsor should be limited to answering questions except in extreme cases. Yeah, this is definitely 'idea stage' material here. But I do believe that we're at that point (with Linux) that if we can concieve of something, we can make it happen. m Michael Stutz | DESIGN SCIENCE LABS http://dsl.org/m | Hypermedia, Internet, Linux/GNU bumper stickers,indie rock,rants | Linux: http://dsl.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:38:13 CST Timothy Phan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of harddrive space 10G in total). Not at all. I have a debian mirror through a 28.8/33.6 modem. It will take ages (ages=around 2 weeks) to mirror the stuff initially, and then refreshes are quite fast. If you want to look at high-speed connections, look for ISDNs. But this is much more expensive than standard modems. Phil. Depending on where you live, your costs can range from reasonable, to ridiculous. I believe the original poster lives in Texas, which if I am correct is a pretty competitive area, as far a Telco costs, and ISP costs will go. O'Reilly and Associates has a great book called, Gettting Connected- The Internet at 56K and Up. Really goes into the equipment, the Telco crap, the guts of big pipes if you will. http://www.ora.com/ will lead you to the truth. Have fun. Rich M [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DEBIAN 1.2 Install Problem
Hi All, I am trying to Install Debian 1.2 and it seems to be getting killed by my CD-ROM. Any ideas on how to fix this? My CD is a 'clone' Thanks for the help. | Darren Klein | Internet Service Providers | (718) 962-1725 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| (718) 962-1708 fax | | New World Data |http://www.nwdc.com | Telnet: nwdc.com | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: consulting
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Terrence M. Brannon wrote: Are there people who serve as Debian consultant on a paid basis? I don't have many questions, but I would prefer fast and accurate response, even if I have to pay. Several of us have been discussing just how to do this. What method would you find most useful: 1. 900 number charges for time on the phone. 2. Pre-paid subscription for services. 3. Credit card payment on a call by call basis. 4. Some other method (please describe). Please also concider the question: What would you be willing to pay for such a service? Please send all replies to me via private e-mail. Please don't flood the list with discussion. I will certainly post a synopsis of opinions and suggestions back to the list. Thank you all in advance, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Ham Radio operators at Uselinux
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Newbie 1.1.1 Install Problem...
Repeated attempts to boot from the debian 1.1.1 boot floppy last night produced the same results each time -- I could get to the boot: prompt ok, but after pressing enter, the screen would fill with numbers in square brackets, scrolling endlessly with 10 second pauses after every few screenfuls. The first three groups of numbers were interspersed with some other multi-line message, but I couldn't figure out any way to stop the scrolling to read it. I have the InfoMagic Linux Developer's Resource 6-CD set. My system is a Cyrix 5x86 100Mhz, with 32megs RAM and a 400 meg disk partition, (just vacated from NT 4.0). I have a PAS16 audio card, an Adaptec 1542 SCSI adapter, which has connected to it a 1.2 Gig SCSI drive (all filled up), a SCSI Zip drive, an HP ScanJet IIC, and a NEC internal SCSI cdrom drive (2X). I also have an internal IDE drive and internal IDE cdrom drive (6X), and that 400 meg partition I want to use for Linux is located on the IDE drive. (Modem btw is a plug-n-play Zoom/ComStar DSVD 28800 internal, which I highly doubt will work with Linux, as it won't work either with NT.) I currently have the SCSI HD partitioned into D: and E:, and the IDE partitioned also into two drives C: and what would be F: although it had NTFS on it, so is not visible to DOS currently. I did notice the boot commands on the help screen which are needed for Adaptec 1542 cards, IDE hd's, and PAS16 sound cards. But how do I enter more than one of these at the boot: prompt? When I type the first one and press enter, it goes ahead with the loading... message, and within seconds I begin to see the scrolling sets of numbers in square brackets, as mentioned above. Sorry this is so lengthy, but I'm trying to include whatever might be helpful info to diagnosing what is going wrong here. I've spent several hours on it last night and today, and am still determined to get Linux up and running here. g Thanks for any help. Jim B. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A proposal to improve dselect
Hamish == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hamish We should certainly not force a particular editor down Hamish anyone's throat, especially emacs :-) I think it is pretty safe to assume that many Linux people use BASH. From the bash manpage [...] READLINE This is the library that handles reading input when using an interactive shell, unless the -nolineediting option is given. By default, the line editing commands are similar to those of emacs. A vi-style line editing interface is also available. [...] I don't remember seeing complains saying bash should certainly not force emacs-bindings down someone's throat. IMHO, having some consistencies across applications that involve editing is good. Having said that, are key bindings of an editor appropriate for dselect is another question. regards, -- Billy C.-M. Chow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Systems Engineering The Chinese University of Hong Kong -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multible search and replace?
Was just wondering if there is a package out that does multiple file
search and replaces? I have to go through my main html directory and make
a lot of repetive changes. Was wondering if there was a package or a perl
script laying arround to do this. Would same me the time of writing one
up.
Well, this is so easy to do in perl that I just write little programs to
do it on the fly most of the time. Here's a little program that may do
what you want:
#!/usr/bin/perl -i.bak
$find=shift; $replace=shift;
while () { s/$find/$replace/g; print }
Name it replace and call it like so:
replace from to file [file ...]
It can operate on multiple files, 'from' is the string you want to find,
and it is replaced globally with 'to' in all the files. Backups are saved
with a .bak extention.
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$/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$kSK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 # Joey Hess
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Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:38:13 CST Timothy Phan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of harddrive space 10G in total). Not at all. I have a debian mirror through a 28.8/33.6 modem. It will take ages (ages=around 2 weeks) to mirror the stuff initially, and then refreshes are quite fast. If you want to look at high-speed connections, look for ISDNs. But this is much more expensive than standard modems. Phil. Depending on where you live, your costs can range from reasonable, to ridiculous. I believe the original poster lives in Texas, which if I am correct is a pretty competitive area, as far a Telco costs, and ISP costs will go. O'Reilly and Associates has a great book called, Gettting Connected- The Internet at 56K and Up. Really goes into the equipment, the Telco crap, the guts of big pipes if you will. http://www.ora.com/ will lead you to the truth. Have fun. Rich M [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ttyS0 timeout errors....
Thanks for your response! From: Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin Traas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: ttyS0 timeout errors Date: Wednesday, January 08, 1997 7:30 AM Kevin Traas wrote: I'm in the process of configuring a box here in my home in preparation for a drop-in replacement of another box (running RedHat...grin) at a remote location. The RedHat box is simply acting as a router between an ethernet LAN and a dedicated (no modems) CSLIP connection to an ISP. Anyway, the problem I've run into is that I've pretty much got the new Debian (1.2) box configured; however, I'm getting the following error message on the console after booting the system: sl0: transmit timed out, bad line quality? There is nothing attached to the serial port; however, I am starting up slattach and running ifconfig in order to configure the interface. Everything seems to come up fine Umm, I'm lost here. There's nothing attached to the serial port but you're using slattach and ifconfig to configure the interface? What interface? What's the slip running over if not the serial port. That's right. I've got the adapter coming off the IO card to a DB25 on the back of the box; however, nothing is attached to the DB25 (yet). But slattach and ifconfig shouldn't care about that should it? You're right in that slip isn't actually running yet - that won't happen until I bring the box out to the remote site and drop it in place of the existing RedHat box. But I've got the software configured now even though no traffic is possible. I've done this on the existing box and it hasn't complained at all. This is a first for me. The error messages start after ifconfig. Starting slattach by itself doesn't result in any error messages. If I run ifconfig sl0 down, the messages go away. Yes, this will certainly get rid of messages concerning the interface sl0, and it will also make it so no packets are sent to this interface as well. Right. I knew that. I was just clarifying that I had determined that the messages were coming as a result of the interface being up and not due to slattach. However, when the interface is up, running ifconfig shows no packets sent or received (obviously, since there's nothing on the other end) - yet I'm getting those errors. BTW, setserial finds the ports without any problems during bootup Any ideas as to why I might be getting this message and how I might fix it would be greatly appreciated. Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Edmondson Roper Chilliwack, BC, Canada http://users.uniserve.com/~erca System Administrator ValleyNet (a CN operated by the Fraser Valley Community Information Society) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to finish Install?
Please Help! I installed Debian. Now, I am up to dselect. Should I use FTP or NFS? What is the address of either? Thanks. | Darren Klein | Internet Service Providers | (718) 962-1725 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| (718) 962-1708 fax | | New World Data |http://www.nwdc.com | Telnet: nwdc.com | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there a Diald Guru in the House?
Thanks for your response! From: Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kevin Traas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Is there a Diald Guru in the House? Date: Wednesday, January 08, 1997 7:18 AM Kevin Traas wrote: I'm trying to get Diald cofigured on my Linux 1.2.1 box and am running into some problems I'm hoping you can help me with. Here's what I'm experiencing: I've got debugging turned on and from /var/log/messages I'm finding the following: (I'm happy with the first two lines; however, I think the following two are a problem local IP address a.b.c.y remote IP address a.b.c.z ppp not replacing existing default route to sl0[a.b.c.z] As the others who posted responses to this have said: the documentation that indicates a number of options you should not use in your ppp options file. Diald passes these options itself. Here's an excerpt from the diald(8) man page: When diald is being used in PPP mode extra options can b passed on to pppd by specifying them after a -- on the command line. This should not normally be necessary as default options can be placed into the /etc/ppp/options file. But, if you need to run multiple instances of pppd with different options then you will have to make use of this ability. Note that some pppd options should not be specified, not even in the /etc/ppp/options file, because they will interfere with the proper operation of diald. In particular you should not specify the tty device, the baud rate, nor any of the options crtscts, xonxoff, -crtscts, defaultroute, lock, netmask, -detach, modem, local, mtu and proxyarp. Use the equivalent diald options to control these pppd settings. Okay. Thanks for the info. I've checked things out and I don't have any of these options specified in the /etc/ppp/options file. Yet things still aren't working. Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP Are you using proxy-arp? If you don't have an ethernet connection on your machine you don't need this. I was trying to; however, whenever it is enabled, I get the above error message in /var/log/messages. And, yes, I do have an ethernet connection. This box is acting as a router between my ISP and my LAN. I've got ppp configured as per the ppp-HOWTO. Everything is working well there, so I'm pretty sure all of my problems are related to Diald configuration. On the diald front, everything pretty much follows the default settings (except for local, remote, and connect in /etc/diald/diald.options). The connect string is set to run /etc/ppp/scripts/ppp-up which is the same script I've successfully used to establish a ppp connection. If you want to see my various scripts and conf/option files, please e-mail me directly and I'll send them to you. TIA for your help or any tips you can give me, Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Edmondson Roper Chilliwack, BC, Canada http://users.uniserve.com/~erca System Administrator ValleyNet (a CN operated by the Fraser Valley Community Information Society) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now What?
Hi, I just installed Debian 1.2 Should I now install 1.2-fixed, 1.2-updates or 1.2.1 Thanks. | Darren Klein | Internet Service Providers | (718) 962-1725 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| (718) 962-1708 fax | | New World Data |http://www.nwdc.com | Telnet: nwdc.com | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libndbm + libdbm
Fundamental writes: I was wondering where i could get these libraries from? I searched the ftp.debian.org via the web debian package finder and came up with nothing. Get the libgdbm* packages from the base and devel sections; they provide them. HTH, Ray -- J.H.M. Dassen | RUMOUR Believe all you hear. Your world may [EMAIL PROTECTED] | not be a better one than the one the blocks | live in but it'll be a sight more vivid. | - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel compile 2.0.27
Fundamental wrote: :Okay, now the kernel isnt dying as early on as before, it mounts the :correct filesystems and continues to load until it gets to the following; : :SIOCSIFADDR: No such device [...] :what have missed this time?:) There's no network driver present - either you have compiled in support for the wrong card, or you have compiled your network card driver as a module and forgotten to enable it using modconf. Or you forgot to enable kerneld in the loadable module support section of the kernel configuration. Ciao, -- Thomas Baetzler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.fh-karlsruhe.de/~bath0011/Visit my Homepage!/A The cowards never came, and the weaklings died on the way - R.A.H. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disk partitioning - recommended sizes
Dear Debian Users, I will be getting a new 4.0 Gb drive this Friday, which finally allows me to migrate my home system from a.out to ELF. This disk will be entirely devoted to Linux partitions. I want to reserve about 2.0 Gb for 'user' data. This leaves about 2.0 Gb for the /, /usr, /var/spool and swap partitions. I have another 2.0 Gb disk and I am contemplating to put the swap partition on there (for load balancing). The disk will be installed on a Pentium 90 system, with 48 Mb RAM and an Adaptec 2940 controller. I estimate a need for about 250 Mb spool. Any suggestions for the partitioning of this disk ? I am leaning towards a partitioning scheme with different partitions for /, /usr/bin, /usr/lib, /user, and /var. -- Ronald van Loon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I am waiting as fast as I can! I want patience, and I want it *NOW*! - Bethany J. Parkhurst -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help: problem with booting from HD
Thank you for the suggestion. this is what I got so far. I repartitioned
the disk with a 500mb primary partition for DOS (06) (some of my pc
friends insisted I put DOS as the first one :-), forllowed with
two 300mb primary linux partitions, and a 64mb logical linux swap, and
3 or 4 logical partitions. i installed Win95 first. ( after all the time
wasted, I finally figured out Win95 install chews up the MBR), and then
installed BC (bc /i 3), which worked great. I could select different
boot partition without problem.
Then I installed Linux from 6 floppies into the 2nd partition, and make
the hard disk bootable (I suppose that made LILO installed onto the 2nd
partiton) but didn't touch the MBR. When I restart, first I got to see
the BC, and select the Debian (2nd) partition, and saw LILO Loading Linux
Uncompressing Linux...
crc error
System halted
and it just died there.
btw, can someone explain to me this error. I am really a newbie.
I could boot from the custom boot floopy without problem.
here is the /etc/lilo.conf I can't think of a way to attach the file, so
I am typing it in.
--
boot=/dev/hda2
root=/dev/hda2
compact
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
delay=20
image=/vmlinuz
label=Linux
read-only
--
/vmlinuz points at /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.27, which is there.
Also I was trying to use dselect to do the install from Yggdrasil Winter 97
CD collection's Debian 1.1 i386 distribution. dselect asked me to enter
the block device name what I suppose to enter.
also, I read some where that i can mount the CD with command like
mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/sonycd_31a /mnt
but sonycd_31a is not there. Is there any other device I can use?
I will probably have a lot more questions to come :-)
please also cc the reply to me. thank you.
--
Ray Zhang ~{UESjLo~} [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cnd.org/HYPLAN/ray/
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Re: xdm cannot read Xresources via /lib/cpp
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Steffen Neumann wrote: What goes wrong: xdm can't read its Xresources (which is too bad, since I want to do more than just colors with them, but whereas at home everything works, here I have started with a plain installation and not even begun editing the Xresource files) I see the same problem. At the office, I upgraded from 1.1 to 1.2.1 and Xdm cant read its Xresources, complains about the cpp and starts xconsole in non-iconic mode; at home, I did a fresh installation of 1.2.1 and there is the same problem (even worse: xdm doesn't start xconsole at all). I have no idea how to fix this. Help greatly appreciated. Thanks Rolf -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A few questions.
Nathan == Nathan L Cutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nathan I don't use the debian kernel-source package at all. I Nathan download Linus's kernels and install them in /usr/src/linux Nathan and compile them as per /usr/src/linux/README. I have never Nathan had any problems with this, and otherwise have a full Debian Nathan system. Wouldn't it be nice if you let dpkg manage your kernel stuff as well? Nathan IMHO the kernel-source package can never give you the Nathan fine-tuned kernel you need for your particular machine and Nathan your particular tastes. Why can't you do the same configurations with the kernel-source package? It is just the verbatim kernel source plus some debian specfic files which do not deprive you of all the configurability. -- Billy C.-M. Chow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Systems Engineering The Chinese University of Hong Kong -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disk partitioning - recommended sizes
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Ronald van Loon wrote: This leaves about 2.0 Gb for the /, /usr, /var/spool and swap partitions. I have another 2.0 Gb disk and I am contemplating to put the swap partition on there (for load balancing). I estimate a need for about 250 Mb spool. Partitioning is kind of fun. Maybe it's just me, but I can almost imagine a cut scene in Batman III where Jim Carrey says, Riddle me this, Batman! If I've got a two gig hard drive, how large should /usr be? You might want something like the following: 50MB / 100MB /var 250MB /var/spool 250MB /tmp 500MB /usr 750MB /usr/local 100MB swap You can then mount / and /usr as read-only. I assume you meant /home by user data. I've never seen any performance gain by putting my swap partition anywhere, actually. I've put it in a variety of places, but lots of people swear you'll get a 0.1% perfomance gain by putting one swap partition on the last partition of the first hard drive on the second controller and putting another swap partition on the first partition of the second hard drive on the first controller, unles you have /usr on the first partition of the first hard drive on the first controller, whereas you should then put a swap partition on and so on. If you find yourself that worked up over swap partitions, I'd just like to say that counseling really does help. Oh, and 250MB is rather small for /var/spool, but if you're not getting alt.binaries.* or alt.sex.*, then it might work. For a day or two... Shrinking /usr/local and increasing /var/spool might be a good idea. Oh, I wouldn't make /usr any less than 300MB unless you're a masochist. I remember when 200MB worked fine for a full slackware installation, but those days are long gone. The kernel source itself takes up almost 40MB now. Add emacs, X, and some libraries... nasty. I like having /tmp large enough to ftp and/or compile several large packages. I like using /tmp as a testbed for stuff before I let it trash my /usr partition. Just in case anyone doesn't know, you can remount a filesystem as read-only by mount -o remount,ro /usr (assuming /usr is in your fstab). That way, you increase your security and stability. Then, when you need to write to /usr, mount it writeable with mount -o remount,rw /usr. However, some programs insist on writing to /usr, when they should really be using /var (var, for variable, meaning frequently changing). Stuff on /usr shouldn't really ever change. Nethack, for instance, wants to install to /usr/lib/games, but it creates a lock file in the current directory. So, I moved nethack over to /var/games and it never noticed. Just make sure you're not using silly programs that have configuration options compiled in. I guess I should mention that I've run Slackware for years, but I'm a relative newbie at Debian, so someone else might have better suggestions for partitioning. Sorry the message is so big... my web pages are too long, too. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disk partitioning - recommended sizes
|You might want something like the following: | | 50MB / Is 50 Mb enough ? | 100MB /var | 250MB /var/spool | 250MB /tmp | 500MB /usr | 750MB /usr/local | 100MB swap | |You can then mount / and /usr as read-only. I assume you meant /home by |user data. Yes, that's correct. I occasionally `abuse' /home by storing backups etc. there. |If you find yourself that worked up over swap partitions, I'd just like to |say that counseling really does help. But it's guarantueed to break the ice at parties. |Oh, and 250MB is rather small for /var/spool, but if you're not getting |alt.binaries.* or alt.sex.*, then it might work. For a day or two... I forgot to mention that this is my personal machine, which will get its (small) newsfeed by UUCP and is only occasionally connected to the Internet by means of PPP. My current spool is 50 Mb, which is just about enough for a weeks worth of data. |Shrinking /usr/local and increasing /var/spool might be a good idea. Oh, |I wouldn't make /usr any less than 300MB unless you're a masochist. I |remember when 200MB worked fine for a full slackware installation, but |those days are long gone. The kernel source itself takes up almost 40MB |now. Add emacs, X, and some libraries... nasty. Adding emacs is indeed nasty. For Debian at work, I made a nice partitioning scheme (or so I thought) of 250 Mb /, and 250 Mb /usr. I ended up by making additional directories in / to hold spillover stuff from /usr. This wreaks havocs on quite a number of symbolic links. - Ronald van Loon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I am waiting as fast as I can! I want patience, and I want it *NOW*! - Bethany J. Parkhurst -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disk partitioning - recommended sizes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ronald van Loon) writes: |You might want something like the following: | | 50MB / Is 50 Mb enough ? My / is 16 megs and currently half empty even with four different kernels in /boot. If /usr, /var, /tmp, and /home are elsewhere, / is kept small and low-access. Makes for high reliability. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disk partitioning - recommended sizes
Matt Kracht wrote: :Partitioning is kind of fun. Maybe it's just me, but I can almost :imagine a cut scene in Batman III where Jim Carrey says, Riddle me this, :Batman! If I've got a two gig hard drive, how large should /usr be? :-) If there's one thing I can recommend it's making sure the swap partition is the first partition on the drive - the outer cylinders on a drive usually have the highest data density and thus yield the highest transfer rate. If you system's going to swap now and then that extra 1 MB/s gained by moving swap from the last to the first partition is sure worth it. Ciao, -- Thomas Baetzler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.fh-karlsruhe.de/~bath0011/Visit my Homepage!/A The cowards never came, and the weaklings died on the way - R.A.H. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to copy Debian?
Hello! Situation: Next week, I have to install a few pc's with Debian. Since I do not have the CD with 1.2.1 (and my pc's do not contain a cd-rom player), I would like to do it via ftp. However, to off-load the site, I would like to copy it once to a local Windows machine with will act as a ftp-server. Question: How can I copy the site without copying on a file-per-file basis. I tried Windows-ftp and CuteFTP, but a mget *.* does not work, the source ftp server does not respond (because of softlinks?)! Any help is appreciated! Leander Antwerp, Belgium -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good cheap source of hardware?
Alan Eugene Davis writes: I hope this is not too far off topic for this list. I have seen a number of discussions for hardware issues, so maybe it's ok. Off topic? Not really, having good hardware is important to having a stable Debian system. 8-) I am considering upgrading from my 486SX33 notebook to a desktop system. I note in Computer Shopper and elsewhere, that for less than a thousand US dollars there are available systems that---while not up to date---would walk circles around mine. I am a bit confused and intimidated, and not up to date. I would very much appreciate advice as to good, reliable sources for cheap clones. I am looking at a Pentium 100MHz basic system. Real basic is ok. But I want 32 MB of RAM and I want a graphics card to run X. And I don't want to be spending money to mail it back to the dealer. ON SHOPPING: There are several ways to look at this situation. You could try mail order from a reputable mail order vendor (as you suggested above). Are there any computer stores local to you? My preferred method for shopping is to use the local computer stores. Why? If something goes wrong, I can take it back to the folks who sold it and talk face to face and get it fixed (or replaced). I pay more for my stuff than through Computer Shopper. It's a trade-off. Also, a good store also is a good place for advise and possible demos of equipment. ON CONFUSION: Ask questions. Intimidated or not, assuming anything about systems, mother boards, memory, is not good. When I get ready to advance from this 486 system to a Pentium/686 type system, I'll be asking questions - like What is the difference between 'Triton 2, Triton3, Triton VX, or Triton HX' chip sets? or What will I gain going to EDO RAM? etc., etc. I am also considering building my own. I would appreciate advice on (1) sources of information on the web about how to go about it, pitfalls, etc.; (2) sources of parts; and (2) advice on the numerous existing motherboards. If you have a clear idea of what you want in your system, building your own is ok. When you get on the web, do a search on the following: price NEAR computer NEAR component (or price NEAR monitor) That should pull up the price comparison web sites. I found 3 on line sites where you can price compare components for a build your own situation. I don't have the addresses handy. -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
Michael Shields wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Timothy Phan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of all this and process of setting up a mirror. High speed here means T1 plus -- it will cost you many thousands of dollars. -- Shields, CrossLink. Couldn't an ISDN handle it? It's only a 1gig. -- Greg. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to copy Debian?
Leander Berwers wrote: Situation: Next week, I have to install a few pc's with Debian. Since I do not have the CD with 1.2.1 (and my pc's do not contain a cd-rom player), I would like to do it via ftp. However, to off-load the site, I would like to copy it once to a local Windows machine with will act as a ftp-server. Question: How can I copy the site without copying on a file-per-file basis. I tried Windows-ftp and CuteFTP, but a mget *.* does not work, the source ftp server does not respond (because of softlinks?)! You could try WFTPD (Winsock FTP Daemon) by Texas Imperial Software. I don't know whether it resolves links properly, but it's small and easy to set up. A fully-functional shareware version (about 256kb) is available from: ftp://ftp.iquest.com/pub/windows/papa/daemons/FTPD/wftpd233.zip Alternatively, why not install one Debian machine and ftp from that? Good luck, Casper Boden-Cummins. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking for volunteer to maintain DNEWS package
Situation: DNEWS is a news server, like cnews and inn. However, DNEWS uses an interesting and optimized memory and cpu-time model. Since the news feed grows every day, more and more computers cannot handle the feed anymore. DNEWS should be able to do so. Also, instead of a feed, the sucking method also works. This means, that if a client asks for a non-local newsgroup, one message is in that group (generated by DNEWS) telling the person that from now on that newsgroup will be downloaded and kept downloaded. Question: Is there anybody out there who would like to maintain a Debian package for DNEWS? TIA Leander Berwers Antwerp, Belgium -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to copy Debian?
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Casper BodenCummins wrote: You could try WFTPD (Winsock FTP Daemon) by Texas Imperial Software. I don't know whether it resolves links properly, but it's small and easy to set up. A fully-functional shareware version (about 256kb) is available from: ftp://ftp.iquest.com/pub/windows/papa/daemons/FTPD/wftpd233.zip Alternatively, why not install one Debian machine and ftp from that? Good luck, Casper Boden-Cummins. Hi Casper, Doy uo know of a WORKING nfs site for a Debian installation. I have been trying to find one.. but getting connection refused. Thanks. | Darren Klein | Internet Service Providers | (718) 962-1725 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| (718) 962-1708 fax | | New World Data |http://www.nwdc.com | Telnet: nwdc.com | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WHY does xemacs CONFLICT with emacs?
xemacs uses 6MB (on some other machine), emacs 2MB (on linux). So my question: why may xemacs and emacs not be used alternately under linux, as they play on e.g. IRIX? Thank you, Andreas. -- Uni Wuppertal, FB Elektrotechnik, Tel/Fax: (0202) 439 - 3009 Dr. Andreas Wehler; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Modprobe. Two of a kind ?
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Ioannis Tambouras wrote: Is it possible to load two ne.o modules with different io=address options ? This computer is multihomed to two ethernets. I like to be able to configure the interfaces like this: eth0 with ne.o io=0x240 , interupt 15 and eth1 with ne.o io=0x280 , interupt 12 Already know how to do it with lilo when the code is an intergral part of /vmlinuz, but does not work when everyting is modularized. That is not covered in Becker's mini-HOWTO. I played with the modprobe(8) options and aliases, but nothing looks promissing. here's three solutions for you... 1. try something like: modprobe ne io=0x240,0x280 irq=15,12 2. put the following in /etc/modules: ne io=0x240,0x280 irq=15,12 3. edit /etc/conf.modules and put in essentially the same information: alias eth0 ne alias eth1 ne options ne io=0x240,0x280 irq=15,12 I've used methods 1 2 on different machines and they work. I've never actually used method 3 but it should work just as well as the other 2 methods. craig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linuxconf
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Shaya Potter wrote: Some people are against using linuxconf, personally I'm for it, but I don't have enough time to try to build the tools neccesart for it b/c the biggest problem with linuxconf is that it replaces sysvinit. Linuxconf has some really nice features and seems like a comprehensive configuration system BUT even if it was 10 times as good it still wouldnt be worth losing sysvinit. craig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to copy Debian?
Darren Klein wrote: Doy uo know of a WORKING nfs site for a Debian installation. I have been trying to find one.. but getting connection refused. Thanks. | Darren Klein | Internet Service Providers | (718) 962-1725 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| (718) 962-1708 fax | | New World Data |http://www.nwdc.com | Telnet: nwdc.com | Sorry, Darren, it isn't something I've ever needed to look into. Does anyone on the list have a list of reliable NFS-mountable sites? Casper Boden-Cummins. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multible search and replace?
On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Chad Zimmerman wrote: Was just wondering if there is a package out that does multiple file search and replaces? I have to go through my main html directory and make a lot of repetive changes. Was wondering if there was a package or a perl script laying arround to do this. Would same me the time of writing one up. sounds like a job for an ed script embedded within a sh script :-) something like: --cut here- #! /bin/sh for i in *.html ; do cat __EOF__ | ed -s $i s/SEARCH/REPLACE/g (and/or any other ed commands you might need here. just about anything you can do in vi you can do here) wq __EOF__ done --cut here- does pretty much the same job as sed but without the need for messing about with temporary files. note, the wq as the last line of the ed script is important. that's the familiar vi/ed write quit command :-) craig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to copy Debian?
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Casper BodenCummins wrote: Darren Klein wrote: Doy uo know of a WORKING nfs site for a Debian installation. I have been trying to find one.. but getting connection refused. Sorry, Darren, it isn't something I've ever needed to look into. Does anyone on the list have a list of reliable NFS-mountable sites? Casper Boden-Cummins. How do you then upgrade your Debian packages, if it's not NFS? FTP? | Darren Klein | Internet Service Providers | (718) 962-1725 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| (718) 962-1708 fax | | New World Data |http://www.nwdc.com | Telnet: nwdc.com | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to copy Debian?
|Sorry, Darren, it isn't something I've ever needed to look into. |Does anyone on the list have a list of reliable NFS-mountable sites? I only know of one, in the Netherlands: ftp.leidenuniv.nl, /var/spool/ftp/pub/linux, /debian -- Ronald van Loon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I am waiting as fast as I can! I want patience, and I want it *NOW*! - Bethany J. Parkhurst -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE
Joseph L. Hartmann writes: So many questions on this list --- and practically no one knows how to TROUBLE SHOOT! (Including me!) Am I wrong about that?? ... What is this linux stuff all coming to if we can't get to the bottom of a problem by ourselves? ... I really do appreciate the help that incompetents like me can get from more expert individuals -- but how do we get to be able to fix stuff for ourselves ??? My first Linux installation was Slackware 2.3. I did it with no access to the net and no outside help. I installed Debian 1.1 on this machine with no help (I tried to get help, but my questions to this list vanished without a trace). However, just because I can do it doesn't mean I want to. I have better things to do with my time then puzzle out configuration problems by trial and error. What is wrong with asking for help and thereby saving a great deal of time? Or, better yet, providing good documentation? All my problems with both Slackware and Debian were due to poor documentation. John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to copy Debian?
Dear Capser (and others) I mean how can I copy from a mirror site to my Windows machine. I do have a ftp server on Windows. Thanx Leander -- From: Casper BodenCummins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' Subject: RE: How to copy Debian? Date: Thursday, January 09, 1997 13:32 Leander Berwers wrote: Situation: Next week, I have to install a few pc's with Debian. Since I do not have the CD with 1.2.1 (and my pc's do not contain a cd-rom player), I would like to do it via ftp. However, to off-load the site, I would like to copy it once to a local Windows machine with will act as a ftp-server. Question: How can I copy the site without copying on a file-per-file basis. I tried Windows-ftp and CuteFTP, but a mget *.* does not work, the source ftp server does not respond (because of softlinks?)! You could try WFTPD (Winsock FTP Daemon) by Texas Imperial Software. I don't know whether it resolves links properly, but it's small and easy to set up. A fully-functional shareware version (about 256kb) is available from: ftp://ftp.iquest.com/pub/windows/papa/daemons/FTPD/wftpd233.zip Alternatively, why not install one Debian machine and ftp from that? Good luck, Casper Boden-Cummins. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: xdm woes
Walter == Walter L Preuninger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Walter -- Forwarded message -- I just finished a Walter fresh install of 1.2, and things seem to be fine for me Walter except that xdm says it starts up, xdm does appear in a ps Walter display, but it never opens up a display. startx and xinit Walter both fire up the xserver. Walter Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. I had the same thing happen when I upgraded my computer and needed to install a different Xserver for my new video card. I'd dpkg --purge'd the other one, and it removed the X server commmandline from /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers. The last line should read: 8-8 :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -bpp 16 8-8 ... you may leave off the '-bpp 16' and it will default to 8 bit (256) color, rather than 16bit (65535) color mode. -- __ _Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /(_)_ __ _ ___ __ http://www.inetarena.com/~karlheg / / | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / Portland, OR, USA / /__| | | | | |_| | Proudly running Linux 2.0.27 transname \/_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ and Debian GNU public software! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WHY does xemacs CONFLICT with emacs?
On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Dr. Andreas Wehler wrote: xemacs uses 6MB (on some other machine), emacs 2MB (on linux). So my question: why may xemacs and emacs not be used alternately under linux, as they play on e.g. IRIX? Thank you, The conflict merely come with 5 files: ctags, etags, emacclient, b2m and some other one I don't remember. Incredibly, although they have the same functionality, this 5 files aren't the same. The mainteners of emac, xemacs and elvis (elvis too as ctags and etags) try to convince of a way to done everything but emacs and xemacs are big and unreliable source code. This can take some time before it be done. I install emacs (after xemacs) with dpkg --force-conflict and don't have problem for the moment. I continue to experiment but I could say I didn't install anything else. I have to do this cause I'm the new auctex maintainer and I want to put both an emacs and an xemacs version of the package... I think I will put my hands too in emacs and xemacs if I could find some place in my HD. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache -- Regarding File Privileges
Apache came configured to try to run cgi scripts out of /usr/lib/httpd/cgi-bin. Apache was unable to run any cgi scripts because it couldn't find them despite the fact that apache's configuration file pointed right to them. To make a long story short, it turns out /usr/lib/httpd was owned by root and had privileges of rwxr_x___ . So, I changed this directory's privileges to rwxr_xr_x which let apache read further down the directory tree, and all is now o.k. I worry though about my novice hand changing the privileges on something so sensitive as the cgi directories. I was wondering if someone could post the proper file privileges for and who is supposed to own the files from /usr/lib/httpd on down. Thanks Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
improvements
(2 cents worth) 8-) I perceive 2 separate issues going on this list pertaining to improving Debian. Issue 1 - Easier installation; Issue 2 - friendlier dselect. On installation issue, I'd like to see a return to the installation of release 0.93 - A custom mode for the experienced Debian user and a newby mode (with uncluttered DOS-like screens) for the raw newcomer to Debian. On the dselect issue, a lot of information is crammed into the presentation making the upgrade process more difficult than it needs to be. I refer to dselect as an upgrade process because at the point that dselect is called, the base OS is already in place/installed. You are then upgrading the base into a fuller, more usable system. I would like to see a dselect organized by applications rather than the current packages/sub-catagory presentation. Example: I start this new program and have a screen oriented by application: (these are merely suggestions and are not set in concrete) communications non-networking communications documentation all documentation development as is currently games all games graphicsanything which creates, massages, transforms graphics misccatch all- math, electronics, hamradio, misc, etc. networking any networking functions- mail, news, utilities, etc. printinganything dealing with printing- TEX, lout, etc. system admin, base, shells, X windows, etc. I need communications; I move the cursor to the communications folder and open it. Now I see a new screen with efax, minicom, and uucp (applications!) Now I move the cursor to minicom and select it. At this point, dselect would select minicom _and_ all other package(s) needed by minicom. If a conflict exist, then a popup box would appear stating that there was a conflict and offer to either take care of it immediately, or wait until later. I suggest a new dselect called aselect. (keep the current dselect!) aselect would be for the newby or applications oriented person to upgrade his base installed Debian. When the installation is finished and the person reboots, does the admin stuff, they have the opportunity to either use the applications oriented dselect or the packages oriented dselect with the default going to applications. - Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-wm question.
Hi to all, how can it be managed, that ONLY the programms available and installed would appear in the X-windowmanager's menues?? Someone told me that an other distribution, not Debian!!, would perform all entries in the .xwmrc during the installation. I'd like to know, whether this is possible in debian too?? If not, I would propose to implement a procedure like this. Currently all entries have to be performed by hand, right?? Greetings Jacek
RE: How to copy Debian?
Leander Berwers wrote: I mean how can I copy from a mirror site to my Windows machine. I do have a ftp server on Windows. Have a look at the mirror package (optional, in the net category). From the Packages file: Description: Perl program for keeping ftp archives up-to-date. Mirror uses the ftp protocol to duplicate a directory hierarchy between the machine it is run on and a remote host. It avoids copying files unnecessarily by comparing the file time-stamps and sizes before transferring. Amongst other things, it can optionally gzip and split files. It was written for use by archive maintainers but can be used by anyone wanting to transfer a lot of files via ftp. HTH, Casper Boden-Cummins. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disk partitioning - recommended sizes
I've been aching to ask this for about a week but thought no, its off subject. I still havent mailed in my Partition Magic receipts. 1- I resized my dos partition and now have [dos] [free space][linux swap][linux ext] as my partitions. How can I add the free space to linux ext? Please excuse the off-subject post. And I hope this isn't considered commercial. -- terrence brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephones: home: 818-844-6401 360 S. Euclid Ave #124, Pasadena, CA 91101 /o)\fax: 213-740-5687 http://rana.usc.edu:8376/~brannon \(o/ that's right, 56*8*7 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PEX? XIE?
Hello, what are these PEX and XIE extensions that startx doesn't load? Which packages are they in? Thanks, Ulf -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to copy Debian?
Leander, I said: Have a look at the mirror package (optional, in the net category). From the Packages file: Sorry: forgot to add that I have no idea how you can do this purely from Windows. I can only suggest getting a minial Debian machine with networking running, and controlling your operations from there. Casper. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DEBIAN 1.2 DISKETTE PROBLEMS UPDATE
At 07:15 PM 1/5/97 -0600, Guy Maor wrote: No, dselect's ftp method, dpkg-ftp, uses perl's Net::FTP to do ftp (the protocol). It does not require ftp (the client). Use dselect to get netstd and you'll have ftp (the client). # It may have gotten lost when the list went down last week, but I posted about the dselect pseudo-ftp not working either. So since I have no ftp binary, or way to get the netstd package, I am still out of luck. When I run dselect and attempt to connect this is what I get... Using FTP to check directories...(stop with ^C) Connecting to ftp.debian.org... Net::FTP: Bad hostname 'ftp.debian.org' at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 405 FTP ERROR Someone from this list forwarded me this, and it is the EXACT same thing that happens to me. I tried it with that host, other hosts, etc.. no good. It bombs out just like that :( So, until I can find some 1.1 disks, or this gets fixed my server is still down... Regards, Kendrick This sounds a lot like a DNS problem. My roommate did a fresh install over Xmas break (while I was away) and apparently had this same sort of problem. He copied /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf from my (working) machine and the problem was (apparently) fixed. Maybe the initial installation disks should provide access to ftp.debian.org by IP rather than name? -- Lamar Folsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~fols9488 Life is wasted on the living. - The Master -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dselect
Hi, I've got some (newbie) questions about dselect. 1) Is it merely a frontend for dpkg or is it used for other tasks as well? 2) Do I've to use '=' (Hold) for all packages at the beginning of the installation (and may be everytime I use dselect) in order to use dselect without hazzle? I've got several brokenly installed packages after removing and adding some programs without doing this. 3) Everytime I want to add another package deselect seems to check ALL packages and writes something like 'skipping deselected package ...'. Is there a way of installing just the desired package? 4) Now onto the last one ;) Does dselect check if there's enough space left on the hd prior to installation? Thanks in advance, Ulf -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
shadow-suite?
Hi, is there a shadow-suite package available for Debian? I couldn't find it in my distribution. Thanks, Ulf -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPS Support
Is there any Linux / Debian support for the APC UPS PRO series ?? If so, what package/program should I be looking for ? I just uploaded genpower into unstable in December. I've been using it on my APC Backups-Pro 420 for several months. It works great! Included in the docs is a specification for a cable that will detect power-fail (of course), battery low, and a disconnected cable. It will also turn off the UPS's inverter after the system halts. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
Hi,
Many thanks to all the nice people who have replied to my question.
Regarding high speed connection, I've called my telco (GTE) about
getting an ISDN line into my home and the response was not available.
The GTE sale rep/operator said that ISDN is only available to business
establishments only.
Secondly, how much faster can I see between the 28.8 modem, ISDN,
T1, T2 , etc. I'd also want to know what should I need from the
ISP in order to setup the connection between my Debian/Linux box
to the ISP. All the ISPs seem to support only WFW3.11/95/Mac/NT
and not Linux.
Also, how much faster if the the connection is PPP vs. SLIP or CSLIP?
Again, Thank you very much to all in Debian-user group. I know
that I get help from this group a lot faster and more accurate than
from the PAID software houses I've dealt with. :)
Richard Morin wrote:
:
: On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 09:38:13 CST Timothy Phan ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
: wrote:
:
:I was once want to mirror the debian as well but I was told that
:I need to have a very high speed connection to the ISP. Currently
:I can have upto 28.8 via modem from my house. I'd like to know
:how do I go about getting a high speed connection, the cost of
:all this and process of setting up a mirror. (I have plenty of
:harddrive space 10G in total).
:
: Not at all. I have a debian mirror through a 28.8/33.6 modem. It will take
ages (ages=around 2 weeks) to mirror the stuff initially, and then refreshes
are quite fast.
:
: If you want to look at high-speed connections, look for ISDNs. But this is
much more expensive than standard modems.
:
: Phil.
:
:Depending on where you live, your costs can range from reasonable, to
:ridiculous. I believe the original poster lives in Texas, which if I
:am correct is a pretty competitive area, as far a Telco costs, and
:ISP costs will go.
:O'Reilly and Associates has a great book called, Gettting Connected-
:The Internet at 56K and Up.
:Really goes into the equipment, the Telco crap, the guts of big
:pipes if you will.
:http://www.ora.com/
:will lead you to the truth.
:Have fun.
:Rich M
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