Re: routing setup question
Benedikt Eric Heinen wrote:
My first question would be are these valid IP addresses or did you pick
arbitrary addresses for your local systems?
As that question was asked by several people, the 192.168.101.x addresses
are arbritrary addresses for my own subnet. The 193.135.252.47 and
193.135.252.179 were addresses assigned to me by my ISP. Both are routed
from his machine, so if I try a traceroute from icemark to
firefrancs new address without setting the host-route for .179 to my
second machine first, the traceroute packets just 'run in circles' between
icemark and lisa. Still, there's one host at thenet that still needs to be
configured properly (traceroute from the outside currently stops before
reaching lisa, but that will be fixed soon). The problem on my own system
can't currently be solved by thenet, as their linux guy is on a
holiday at the moment...
lisa.thenet.ch icemark.thenet.ch firefranc
ppp0193.135.252.75 193.135.252.47
eth0192.168.101.1 192.168.101.2
[...]
The new setup should look like:
ISP My systems
lisa.thenet.ch icemark.thenet.ch firefranc.thenet.ch
--- ppp0 --- --- eth0 ---
193.135.252.75 193.135.252.47 193.135.252.179
Two people here suggested, that I might route the .179 address along the
192.168.101.0 network, but both couldn't tell me exactly how the icemark
needs to be set up, so that packets leaving firefranc out to the internet
have the proper sender address (193.135.252.179)...
Ok, I'm not sure why Rick wanted to swap the IP addresses for icemark
and firefranc, but here's a setup that should work based upon the
info you provided.
Icemark will use 193.135.252.47 as the IP address for *both* the
ppp interface and the ethernet interface. That is, icemark's
/etc/init.d/network should look like this:
#!/bin/sh
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add -net 127.0.0.0
IPADDR=193.135.252.47
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
NETWORK=193.135.252.0
BROADCAST=193.135.252.255
#GATEWAY=none
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
route add -net ${NETWORK}
#route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1
You won't set the default route at boot time since it doesn't exist.
Instead, make sure that you include the 'defaultroute' option in
your /etc/ppp/options or on the command line for pppd. Now, on
firefranc, you'll have the following for you /etc/init.d/network
#!/bin/sh
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add -net 127.0.0.0
IPADDR=193.135.252.179
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
NETWORK=193.135.252.0
BROADCAST=193.135.252.255
GATEWAY=193.135.252.47
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
route add -net ${NETWORK}
route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1
This should do the trick. Yes, this means that if you do an ifconfig -a
when the ppp link is up on icemark, you'll see that ppp0 and eth0
*both* have 193.135.252.47 as their IP Address. This is ok, as long as
the netmasks are right. The reason you saw looping before when you
tried a traceroute to firefranc from icemark was probably because
you still had the eth0's IP address set to 192.168.101.1. Thus icemark
routed the packet for 193.135.252.179 to it's default route, the only
one it knew. lisa justly sent the packet back to icemark since it is
set up to route 193.135.179 to icemark. This behavior is as expected
from your settings. Now you know why IP packets have a Time-To-Live
field!
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Re: Which pentium: 200, PRO 200, or MMX 200?
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:32:07 -0600 (MDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote: I might have to give my aging P133 to my wife and buy a new PC. :-) I stopped keeping cuurent with these things. Which runs Linux the best: 200, PRO 200, or MMX 200? Pro 200. If you want to save some money, a Pro 166MHz with a 83MHz bus. Except for pure floating point this will give you overall system performance much better then a Pro 200. If you are really cheap (like me) get a Pro 150 and over clock it to 166MHz. I've never come in contact with anyone who could take their Pro 150 to 166. (Mine went to 180 on a Tyan 1668D Dual) -- Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/emc/
Re: bi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Vadim wrote: Vadim Two reasons emacs is slow: 1. Lisp (jed is faster than emacs Vadim because it uses S-Lang (however they spell it)). My beloved Vadik, :) there is nothing objectively fast about slang and nothing slow about lisp. Emacs seems to be alot more complicated then jed that's all. (maybe jed is faster just because it meant to be fast emacs clone?) Always truly yours, borik - --- Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Institute of Computer Science, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hebrew University Jerusalemhome: +972 2 6411880 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] iQCVAwUBM1QMMT9c8eyjXHlhAQF9WwP/fJKGAFNX/bViXFTtZ2iDWIKs8fdNmvNa LQomMP/OLH18VOsED1WkkjS2O4XNvHC/enlT+iBvC8Td9FddoWJhu7HTVBfYZBJZ Bdo8rleqIBlNdAfikAaLCMxe1bjyUiwfiYjrPaqV2xgpoyGT/p5p7gJOvO0Y3d9m /07lim188ks= =BfIP -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: MIT-Scheme 7.4.n
Boris == Boris D Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I planed of packaging mit-scheme too. Please decide whether your are going to pkg it and let me know. Would you do it, please? I'm too new at this; I really don't know if I have the knowledge to make a package yet. Maybe next year I can take one on. -- Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetarena.com/~karlheg Portland, OR USA Debian GNU 1.2 Linux 2.0.29t You tell me and we'll both know.
Re: Will the real vi please stand up?
I learned vi under SysVr3 and SysVr4 and didn't see much difference under Slackware/elvis. Vim does have some annoying differences but I can't remember the specifics. Emacs with viper-mode is pretty faithful too. Emacs emulating vi? The only good thing about emacs is that it's easy to learn. Emacs emulating vi is: 1. SLOW... 2. vi-like interface. 3. As far as i can remember, you must press ESC twice... Emacs will handle many files that exceed limits in vi (line length, file size, binary content, etc.). I don't care for the finger-stretching emacs commands, though, so I run viper-mode. It has several degrees of 'vi-ness' and level 1 is almost identical. Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DEITY TEAM -- A suggestion or request
My needs might be better served if there were an easy way to instruct dpkg to install the binaries on a different filesystem, like a zip disk. There is probably a way to do this easily, but I haven't figured it out. Have to do links by hand? THe config files, and so on, should go in the regulary places. Maybe more experience with system admin will suggest a way to do this. For example, on my tiny machine, any package of a megabyte would put me in a pinch, but I might want to use slrn or yorick intermittently. Alan Davis -- Alan Eugene Davis Marianas High School 15o 8.8'N GMT+10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] AAA 196 Box 10,001145o 42.5'E Saipan, MP 96950 Northern Mariana Islands
Re: Upgrading...
Jeff Greeson wrote: At 07:31 PM 4/15/97 -0500, you wrote: Jeff Greeson wrote: Stacker 133.. it's by Trinity Works.. here in dallas I think... but it's an AMD 5x86/133 CPU that uses the intel 486 chipset. Find some info before I spend the $99 on it. try a post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The Shining One --
Linux in an NT domain
Does anyone know if Debian has packaged the package which allows a Linux box to participate in an NT domain? I read somewhere once that such a package exists, but am very vague as to the details of what it did. NB: it's not samba, it's do with sharing the user-space/passwords etc. Any ideas? 8---8 Richard Shepherd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 8---8
RFC: Stacker 133 compatablilty...
I bet this has been debated before, but how does the Trinity Works' Stacker 133 perform with 2.0.30 of Debian? FYI, the Stacker 133 is a AMD 5x86/133 that fits in a 486 chip socket. Discuss... :) Jeff Greeson http://mk.hotweird.com The Realm of Mortal Kombat
Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS
If possible, it could look, feel and function like a midnight commander. left pane are the .deb files, to the right could be the content, info, dependancies to other files etc. which you could toggle. regards, =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Andre M. Varon Lasaltech, Incorported Technical Head Fax-Tel: (034)433-3520 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] web page: http://www.lasaltech.com/andre.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: debian in a lab
Christoph, ..., I usually install [packages] ... in a directory /usr/local/packages/package_name ... I use a script to move files into the correct directories. The appeal of such an approach is [ability to] use any packages ... without [installing] anything locally except a set of well-defined links[,] and without using up local storage or worrying about updates. ... this is a way of providing software to people without having to be root on their machines and thus without being responsible for their mistakes... I found that this works extremely well with most packages. Is anyone thinking of adding a concept like this to standard Debian as an option? Yes! Ray Ingles and myself are currently defining this concept and would appreciate your help. Please see our prior mail (sent 4/15/97) Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS. Robert Meier FANUC Robotics North America, Inc. Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 1-810-377-7469 Fax: 1-810-377-7363
Re: DEITY TEAM -- A suggestion or request
My needs might be better served if there were an easy way to instruct dpkg to install the binaries on a different filesystem, like a zip disk. There is probably a way to do this easily, but I haven't figured it out. Have to do links by hand? THe config files, and so on, should go in the regulary places. Maybe more experience with system admin will suggest a way to do this. For example, on my tiny machine, any package of a megabyte would put me in a pinch, but I might want to use slrn or yorick intermittently. Better yet, make the install always consult a local 'policies' file for all locations instead of insisting that one standard fits all. If a sensible mechanism could be worked out for this, the source packages could eventually be made aware if it and 'configure' could have a simple option to install unmodified packages in either the local or normal destinations, and sharable components could go on the appropriate shared drives. A reasonable first cut at this might drop the files in user-specified places but throw symlinks in the traditional locations to make existing packages work. Also, it would be nice to merge the concepts of installing and configuring packages. How about working out something with the linuxconf guys to use their user interfaces and to be able to automatically start the appropriate configuration run after installing a package that needs it. Linuxconf isn't perfect but it is probably the best attempt so far especially with interfaces that include web browser forms (and they claim to be working on Java). Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will the real vi please stand up?
It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly. Apparently the people who generated the debian rescue disk don't agree or the recent editor wars wouldn't have happened on this list. The main problem was that any of the vi-clone were too big for our small boot/root disk. That's all of it. This won't be changed I believe. End. Then how about packaging up a utility to build a 'real' rescue disk and making the install procedure suggest that you run it before you exit? Everyone really should have a floppy around with the filesystem tools, fdisk, tar, and (of course) vi so they can recover from any normal problem. I've done this myself with the 'yard' utility (and needed it too...) but it takes too long for everyone to figure out what to do by themselves. Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help with using ISP name for email
Jason Ish writes: I connect to the internet using my school PPP account which gives me a user name not very close to my real name and chose to use my first name to logon to my personal linux box. I would like to send email but have it come from my school email name and not my localhost name. I have already managed (using smail/mailx) to have the @hostname field changed but mail still comes from jason rather than jbi130 (my email username). To fix this I have starting using pine, I start it using sudo as user jbi130 on my home system but these becomes a pain (as far as file permissions) are concerned when add folders and deleting stuff and so on. Is there a better way to go about this. I use fetchmail ro retrieve from my POP3 server but I don't think this has any effect on the sending of the mail. Would a better solution maybe to sart using mh and exmh? I like to send mail from home but want the return address to be valid so need to change the username to the username I have at the ISP (rather than the short username at home) and the host name to be the ISP rather than the home machine. The problem was that I didn't want this used on local mail. (No real reason to send myself mail, but I wanted to be able to do it!!!) I also wanted to be able to change both (differently) if I was sending mail to work. I spend a while delving into sendmail and came up with a kludge with sort of worked as far as local vs remote mail, but wasn't satisfactory. Then I found qmail which very easily allows you to do just these kind of things. Then I found I needn't have bothered at all! Since as I send mail from within Emacs all I have to do is have it automatically add the From line at the top! Richard (locally [EMAIL PROTECTED] remotely [EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS
Regarding the wish list for the dselect replacement: 1 A what if command: Tell me what you would do if I said do it. I found with dselect I'd somehow told it to remove lots of things I hand't meant to, so recently I've been using dpkg directly rather than trying to figure out dselect. 2 A merge in command: Someone mentioned the get_selections and set_selections which is useful. But if I understand correctly set_selections replaces everything. I think it would be nice to have a way of adding it to the current set from something. I doubt if it would be useful for single machine situations, but for an installation of several machines one might have a core set which is on all machines, but a few extra sets of packages which are enabled on other sets of machines. 3 In the less important but nice to have category: Choice of interfaces: e.g a perl/tk interface and an emacs interface. Richard.
modutils
I'm trying to upgrade modules to modutils but dpkg says: Kernel was compiled with module support Modules package cannot be removed Ideas? I'm in the field at the moment. TIA Lindsay -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: modutils
On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote: I'm trying to upgrade modules to modutils but dpkg says: Kernel was compiled with module support Modules package cannot be removed Ideas? I'm in the field at the moment. Yes. This one can be solved by hand with dpkg. You need to ftp the modutils and modules .deb files from bo. They have the same revision numbers. In the following order: dpkg -i modules*.deb /* upgrade modules with dummy modules package */ dpkg -i modutils*.deb modules*.deb/* allows dpkg to see that modutils replaces modules. dpkg will now do the right thing(TM) */ Please everyone, note that this problem has been well-reported and should be fixed prior to the release of 1.3. Thanks. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: modutils
Syrus, Many thanks - you got me out of a bit of a hole, there. dpkg now says that modutils is installed, but I notice that /dev/init.d/boot still refers to modutils. Hope this is OK. Lindsay On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Lindsay Allen wrote: I'm trying to upgrade modules to modutils but dpkg says: Kernel was compiled with module support Modules package cannot be removed Ideas? I'm in the field at the moment. Yes. This one can be solved by hand with dpkg. You need to ftp the modutils and modules .deb files from bo. They have the same revision numbers. In the following order: dpkg -i modules*.deb/* upgrade modules with dummy modules package */ dpkg -i modutils*.deb modules*.deb /* allows dpkg to see that modutils replaces modules. dpkg will now do the right thing(TM) */ Please everyone, note that this problem has been well-reported and should be fixed prior to the release of 1.3. Thanks. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
X related questions
Dear Debian users, I have two questions related to XF86 setup and boot options: - I have Debian 1.2 installed with kernel 2.0.27, when I boot the system, the last thing the system do, before asking me for the user and password, is start the xdm program. Then the system change to the seventh tty and change the apperance from text to graphical. I move to the first console using CTRL+ ALT+F1 and entering to a new user I try to start the XF86 using startx the system answers me: Fatal Server error: Server is already active for display 0 If this server is no loger running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again. Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server giving up xinit: unable to connect to X server. xinit: No such process (error 3): Server error. I suppose that the solution could be change the boot xdm start but I don't know how to do it. Could anybody advice me ? Thanks J.R.Martinez Miro e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Homer has the ppp blues :-(
For many moons now, I have been using a primative method to establish a ppp link, namely: use minicom to login and start ppp at the other end, then exit minicom and run pppd manually. Though labour intensive, this method worked tolerably well. The only problem was that sometimes pppd believed that it had received a modem hangup when in fact the modem was doing just fine. As a result pppd would terminate prematurely. Though I never managed to get to the bottom of this problem, I found a semi-fix: run pppd again and the link would be reestablished, or even better, run pppd with the persist option. Using minicom to establish the connection is very tedious. Yesterday I had a brilliant flash of inspiration: ___ _ .'/,-Y ~-. l.Y ^. /\ _\_ Why don't I use a chat script?! i___/ \ | / \ o ! l ] o !__./ \ _ _\.___./~\ X \/ \___./ ( \ ___. _..--~~ ~`-. ` Z,-- / \ \__. ( / __) \ l /-~~ / Y \ / |x__.^ | \ -Row jY So I decided to bite the bullet where angels fear to tread and create a chat script. It worked beautifully with a one large and one small exception. First for the large exception: As I already explained, pppd has a nasty habit of thinking the link is dead when it isn't really. With the old setup, the persist option simply told pppd to renegotiate handshaking with the ppp process at the other end. With the new setup, pppd first runs the chat script and of course this doesn't work as the modem link is already up, hence it never gets to renegotiate the handshaking. In short, unless I can solve pppd's delusions about non-existent modem hangups, or unless I can find another way around this problem, I'll have to go back to using minicom to establish the connection. Any ideas? As for the small exception, poff doesn't seem to always kill my pppd: # poff No pppd is running # ps -aux | grep ppp root 5764 0.2 3.2 888 480 a1 S 12:07 0:00 /usr/sbin/pppd conn root 5894 0.0 1.9 896 288 p3 S 12:13 0:00 grep ppp - Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] They told me I was gullible ... and I believed them! - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
problem with kernel sound configuration
When I get to configuring my sound card, and get to the SB base I/O field, the default is 220. Whatever I seem to type, it returns sorry, no help is available for this option. I've tried typing 220 and just hitting enter and both of them get me that response. Anyone have an idea before I dig into the shell script/program? I've got bash 2.0 installed. Is this the cause? --- Douglas L Stewart | Currently at Hughes in El Segundo, CA: Pencom Systems Administration | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice: (310) 364-8577 Wherever I go, there _we_ are. | Pager: (800) 759- PIN 801-9269 PSA Collective Intellect (TM) | E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Which pentium: 200, PRO 200, or MMX 200?
On Tue, Apr 15, 1997 at 11:32:07AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pro 200. 200 and 200 MMX will run it the same. MMX has extensions for multi-media, but no more raw processing power. No but MMX 200 has a larger cache (L1) than the non-MMX, which according to the usual benchmarks I saw in a magazine earlier this month, does help things along quite a bit. But Pro would be better, being 32-bit optimised. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust[EMAIL PROTECTED] Student, computer science computer systems engineering.3rd year, RMIT. http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~moffatt (PGP key here) CPOM: [ ] 40% -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Will the real vi please stand up?
It is generally agreed that any Unix user should be able to use vi, regardless of which editor he prefers to use regularly. Apparently vi doesn't exist in Debian - vim, nvi, and elvis (maybe others) all like to have a symlink named vi pointing to them. A year ago when I was running Slackware, I thought I learned enough about vi to use it, but not well. Then I found I was learning elvis, not vi. When I first installed Debian I tried using 'vi' (I don't remember which of the almost clones it really was) and found that some of the commands I was familiar with caused the famous unexpected results, so I gave up. Which of the vi semi-clones on Debian is most like the original vi and most likely to work on a broad range of unices? I think you want nvi. Afaik elvis and vim intend to add features. In the nvi manual page, you can see QUOTE Nex/nvi are intended as bug-for-bug compatible replacements for the original Fourth Berkeley Software Distribution (4BSD) ex and vi programs. For the rest of this manual page, nex/nvi is used only when it's necessary to distinguish it from the historic implementations of ex/vi. UNQUOTE Very few differences are found in the manual page. Further on it also comments under `STANDARDS': QUOTE Nex/nvi is close to IEEE Std1003.2 (``POSIX''). That document differs from historical ex/vi practice in several places; there are changes to be made on both sides. UNQUOTE Altogether it looks as though nvi at least attempts to be a `true' vi as much as possible. Eric Meijer E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bi
On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Vadim wrote: Vadim Two reasons emacs is slow: 1. Lisp (jed is faster than emacs Vadim because it uses S-Lang (however they spell it)). My beloved Vadik, :) there is nothing objectively fast about slang and nothing slow about lisp. Emacs seems to be alot more complicated then jed that's all. (maybe jed is faster just because it meant to be fast emacs clone?) Dearest Borik, you should know that various Lisps (scheme, e-lisp, etc.) are interpreted really really slow, and S-Lang is interpreted faster. As far as I know, jed can do basically the same things emacs can. It's still slower than vi, because vi doesn't make 8 system calls per keystroke (as emacs does). And about jed being faster because it's supposed to be a faster emacs clone -- let's call emacs a faster ed clone and see how it works ;) Always truly yours, borik I love you too, bro. Vadik. -- Vadim Vygonets * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Unix admin If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor, and when was the last time you needed one? -- Tom Cargil, C++ Journal, Fall 1990. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS
On Wed, Apr 16, 1997 at 10:14:30AM +0800, A. M. Varon wrote: If possible, it could look, feel and function like a midnight commander. left pane are the .deb files, to the right could be the content, info, dependancies to other files etc. which you could toggle. Hmmm. But more interesting is the package names (as presented now in dselect), rather than the filenames. I think the above would just be an interface to dpkg, rather than a nice friendly package management tool (which is what dselect and deity aim to be). Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust[EMAIL PROTECTED] Student, computer science computer systems engineering.3rd year, RMIT. http://yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au/~moffatt (PGP key here) CPOM: [ ] 40% -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X related questions
- I have Debian 1.2 installed with kernel 2.0.27, when I boot the system,
the last thing the system do, before asking me for the user and password,
is start the xdm program. Then the system change to the seventh tty and
change the apperance from text to graphical. I move to the first console
using CTRL+ ALT+F1 and entering to a new user I try to start the XF86
using startx the system answers me:
Why don't you just type in the username and passwd in the xdm login
screen? (that's where you're supposed to do it). Apparently you don't
get that screen (on the seventh tty, in your story). What does (eventually)
show up on that seventh tty?
I suppose that the solution could be change the boot xdm start but I
don't know how to do it.
first type runlevel, and see what level you are booting in (runlevel
is in /sbin/runlevel). Then, if runlevel says N 4, you're in level
4, and type
cd /etc/rc4.d
mv S99xdm K99xdm
and you're set.
So, what's your second problem?
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Re: Bo Package List
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Rick wrote: I assume that the unstable dir was removed since bo is no longer conciderred unstable. What's up with the packages file pointing to unstable? There's some problem, apparently. How is it that others are installing bo and not run accross this yet? Yes, others have run accross this. This bug is reported (in section ftp.debian.org). I saw that because I wanted to report it too. The solution I found is using sed -e '/unstable/s//frozen/' Packages.frozen Packages.f; mv Packages.f Packages.frozen just after downloading the package list. (Before dselect reads it !). I used this only at installation time, but it worked perfectly. Hope this helps, Alexandre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Apache web server POSTing.
Hi. I've recently installed thelatest apache web package and found that I cannot POST to it. We seems to be getting the error: Method not implemented POST to /~matt/cgi-bin/Formmail/formmail.pl not supported. I've looked through all the apache documentation without much luck, and there's not much about this on their web site. Does anyone know what options I must enable to allow apache to accect these requests? Regards -- Karl Ferguson, Tower Networking Pty LtdTel: +61-9-456- [EMAIL PROTECTED] t/a STAR Online ServicesFax: +61-9-455-2776 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X related questions
[ snip ] first type runlevel, and see what level you are booting in (runlevel is in /sbin/runlevel). Then, if runlevel says N 4, you're in level 4, and type cd /etc/rc4.d mv S99xdm K99xdm Just some minor nit picking: it should be mv S99xdm K01xdm This might be important when switching from a runlevel runnning xdm to one that doesn't. It means that something that is started as the last item (S99) usually is stopped (Killed) as the first item (K01). Eric Meijer E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape/Lynx long startup time - why?
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Brian C. White wrote: Why does it take so long for Netscape or Lynx to start? It takes forever because they both read the entire file and run every single test condition they encounter. The latest mime-support (2.12) will work much better with lynx since it tries to use tests that lynx can recognize internally without forking an external process. Where is 2.12 available. I can only find 2.11 on my nearest Debian mirror. Lynx takes so terribly long time form me to start that I wonder if I should install a plain ASCII-reader in my Midnight-Commander for html files. Are there possibly other reasons for this behaviour? Andreas. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Copy Debian in CD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Andrea Arcangeli wrote: Is legal if I copy the full DEBIAN distribution in a CD (ftp.debian.org) and I give the CD to my friend? Short answer: Yes, perfectly legal. Most programs in the main Debian distribution are covered by the GPL, which states that if you do not distribute source code, you have to Accompany it with a written offer I say this because it is very likely that the whole Debian distribution did not fit in a single CD. Can I copy the non-free directory too? - From the Debian FAQ: non-free: This directory contains packages whose distribution is restricted in a way which requires that distributors take careful account of the specified copyright requirements. For example, some packages have licenses which prohibit commercial distribution. Others can be redistributed but are in fact shareware and not freeware. The licenses of each of these packages must be studied, and possibly negotiated, before the packages are included in any redistribution (e.g., in a CD-ROM). In short: To be sure: You would have to read all the copyright and copying licenses. Definitely you should do it if you try to sell it to your friend. BTW: If you find any program in the core distribution that you think it should go in non-free, this is a bug that you can report through the bug tracking system. Thanks. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBM1TKYCqK7IlOjMLFAQH0SQP/XUAsQh9mU63zOeRXZ1TGrDr/8s2UNCX6 IfwN9nPSnKo77BxZi9lvraNH9PfndggOJfb6X40pM4Pok1/RlWhjBHih0XQNMvio Yf8RcrAPqR8EgiEzTyzkbSal1zeHJ57oJXHl0hDHglWNThUU+JqW6Iotwg8wHfBu RluS926N4kY= =I/m1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 1.2.4 list of known problems
Nicola Bernardelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm new to Debian. I've been waiting for one month to receive the 1.2.4 CD from Cheap Bytes (sent March 3rd arrived April 4th) and I'm I received my 1.2.4 from them in one week or so. And I am in Brazil. trying with it these days... I would not start waiting for another month NOW to get a more recent release (and the WEB says they're still selling 1.2.4 CDs). I tried installing anything just already marked at first entry in dselect (just had to de-select perl-base), but I read overriding messages during install and afterwards I had complains about configuration of some packages, which I type here by hand: ./base/libc5_5.4.20-1.deb ./dev/perl_5.003.07-6.deb ./editors/ed_0.2-11.deb ./misc/gpm_1.10-2.deb libc5-dev libdb1-dev libg++2.7-dev libgdbm1-dev texbin latex psnfss I didn't see any message at install-time saying that the release may have such problems, so I was thinking that if anybody had tried it before releasing it I should have anything working clean. If I understood right, this is known bug on which order the packages are installed and has being worked. You can solve this by choosing 'install' again in dselect. BTW, put /usr/X11R6/lib in yout /etc/ld.conf and run ldconfig if you have not done it. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS
Dale Scheetz writes: [snip] Isn't this already available with get_selections and set_selections? What about a fresh, from scratch installation? (like a newby would encounter) 8-) -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK - member of ARRL [EMAIL PROTECTED] --... ...-- ... -.. . -.- -.. - -.-. .. -.- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
re: problem with kernel sound configuration
This is a bug in the Configure script of the kernel package that has been brought to the fore by the POSIXness of binutils/bash, as you suspected. The fix is to escape the POSIXly reserved characters in the script that are used in 'expr' commands. The one you are tripping on checks for a valid hex number as input. I will send you my modified script if you like. Doug said: When I get to configuring my sound card, and get to the SB base I/O field, the default is 220. Whatever I seem to type, it returns sorry, no help is available for this option. I've tried typing 220 and just hitting enter and both of them get me that response. Anyone have an idea before I dig into the shell script/program? I've got bash 2.0 installed. Is this the cause? -- Michael Laing, President _|_|_|_| _|_| _| _|_|_| Foster Laing Noonan, Inc. _|_|_|_|_|_| [EMAIL PROTECTED] 207.832.6372_|_|_|_|_| _| _|_| Internet Software Developers _|_|_|_|_|_| _and Consultants__|_|_|_|_| _| _| _|_|_| -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Apache web server POSTing.
I had that when I first installed. Make sure the path callout for your cgi-bin in the .conf files is correst, and once that is done check the ownership of the directory and the access privilages of the cgi-bin directory. Here is how ine is: drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 2048 Mar 17 11:08 cgi-bin Chad Chad D. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/ On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Karl Ferguson wrote: Hi. I've recently installed thelatest apache web package and found that I cannot POST to it. We seems to be getting the error: Method not implemented POST to /~matt/cgi-bin/Formmail/formmail.pl not supported. I've looked through all the apache documentation without much luck, and there's not much about this on their web site. Does anyone know what options I must enable to allow apache to accect these requests? Regards -- Karl Ferguson, Tower Networking Pty LtdTel: +61-9-456- [EMAIL PROTECTED] t/a STAR Online ServicesFax: +61-9-455-2776 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Homer has the ppp blues :-(
Mark Phillips wrote: For many moons now, I have been using a primative method to establish a ppp link, namely: use minicom to login and start ppp at the other end, then exit minicom and run pppd manually. Though labour intensive, this method worked tolerably well. The only problem was that sometimes pppd believed that it had received a modem hangup when in fact the modem was doing just fine. As a result pppd would terminate prematurely. Though I never managed to get to the bottom of this problem, I found a semi-fix: run pppd again and the link would be reestablished, or even better, run pppd with the persist option. Using minicom to establish the connection is very tedious. Yesterday I had a brilliant flash of inspiration: ___ _ .'/,-Y ~-. l.Y ^. /\ _\_ Why don't I use a chat script?! i___/ \ | / \ o ! l ] o !__./ \ _ _\.___./~\ X \/ \___./ ( \ ___. _..--~~ ~`-. ` Z,-- / \ \__. ( / __) \ l /-~~ / Y \ / |x__.^ | \ -Row jY So I decided to bite the bullet where angels fear to tread and create a chat script. It worked beautifully with a one large and one small exception. First for the large exception: As I already explained, pppd has a nasty habit of thinking the link is dead when it isn't really. With the old setup, the persist option simply told pppd to renegotiate handshaking with the ppp process at the other end. With the new setup, pppd first runs the chat script and of course this doesn't work as the modem link is already up, hence it never gets to renegotiate the handshaking. In short, unless I can solve pppd's delusions about non-existent modem hangups, or unless I can find another way around this problem, I'll have to go back to using minicom to establish the connection. Any ideas? As for the small exception, poff doesn't seem to always kill my pppd: # poff No pppd is running # ps -aux | grep ppp root 5764 0.2 3.2 888 480 a1 S 12:07 0:00 /usr/sbin/pppd conn root 5894 0.0 1.9 896 288 p3 S 12:13 0:00 grep ppp Sounds like you'd be quite happy with diald. It will bring up your ppp connection on-demand and take it back down either after a specified idle-time. At any rate, when you say pppd has the nasty habit of thinking the link is dead when it isn't do you mean that pppd determines that the link is down and then exits? And the modem connection stays up? Why don't you turn on debugging for pppd and post the log trace here. We can probably fix this problem. -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
FINALLY! Relay control for smail
According to a posting in comp.mail.smail by Bruse Becker, relay control has been added to smail as of version 3.2.0.93 This is a MOST WELCOME feature and a security asset to any site on the net running smail. Do we have this verison as a package yet? George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: modutils
I'm trying to upgrade modules to modutils but dpkg says: Kernel was compiled with module support Modules package cannot be removed Ideas? I'm in the field at the moment. What I did was to edit the modules.prerm file in /var/lib/dpkg/info and delete the check described above. Then the upgrade proceeded smoothly. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
NFS and debian packaging system
I've to install debian linux in 4 PCs here at the university (now they have an old slackware). My idea was to have one of them to export users and their directories plus a directory with apps not in the debian distribution (a sort of non-local). Up to here no problems arise. But I'd like also to share man pages, info files and documentation across the 4 systems but that will break the packaging handling of Debian (ex. removing a package in one PC will remouve all the documentation and help on the others), is there a work-around? In particular is there a way to inform the debian packaging system of shared files ? Also is there a method to install part of a Debian package in a different directory? (I think the only one is to modify packages by hand). Even if it is complex it would be nice if future versions of Debian would permit such kind of installation or have tools to permit it. Simone Portuesi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: NFS and debian packaging system
On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Portuesi Simone wrote: I've to install debian linux in 4 PCs here at the university (now they have an old slackware). My idea was to have one of them to export users and their directories plus a directory with apps not in the debian distribution (a sort of non-local). Up to here no problems arise. But I'd like also to share man pages, info files and documentation across the 4 systems but that will break the packaging handling of Debian (ex. removing a package in one PC will remouve all the documentation and help on the others), is there a work-around? In particular is there a way to inform the debian packaging system of shared files ? I maintain a Debian system with a workstation as NFS server. That means the /usr tree resides on a drive mounted via NFS (ro) and some parts of var resides also there. I linked /var/texmf and /var/catman on a NFS mounted drive (rw). This works fine for me and I'm intended to use this server from several other Linux PCs (but not tried yet). I have to mention that I had serious trouble while installing and if you have problems don't hesitate to ask me special problems. But once installed (using some tricky workarounds) it works fine (but slightly slower). Also is there a method to install part of a Debian package in a different directory? (I think the only one is to modify packages by hand). That's not necessary in any way. The only thing is to link some files in /etc to a common tree but I think this is not necessary and too much work. Even if it is complex it would be nice if future versions of Debian would permit such kind of installation or have tools to permit it. OK, tell me your problem. I think you will cope with them with the actual version. Andreas. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape/Lynx long startup time - why?
The latest mime-support (2.12) will work much better with lynx since it tries to use tests that lynx can recognize internally without forking an external process. Where is 2.12 available. I can only find 2.11 on my nearest Debian mirror. It was stuck in incoming until this morning. As soon as ftp.debian.org catches up to master, it will be in Bo. Lynx takes so terribly long time form me to start that I wonder if I should install a plain ASCII-reader in my Midnight-Commander for html files. Are there possibly other reasons for this behaviour? Not that I know of. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Links to package's bugs on the package web-page
Hi It would be nice to see links to the Bug Tracking System (BTS) from the web pages the individual packages can be downloaded on www.debian.org. Those interested in upgrading individual packages would so be able to check the reported bugs before starting the process which might break their working systems. By the way, I was just curious about the way NetBSD implements their BTS (they use GNATS). For those interested, have a look at http://www.netbsd.org/Misc/send-pr.html. and http://www.netbsd.org/Misc/query-pr.html for query about known bugs. I think Debian would benefit from something like that Thanks, Lazaro -- Lazaro D. Salem E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RF-Rogaland Research Phone: +47 51 87 50 00 P.O.Box 2503, Ullandhaug Direct: +47 51 87 50 65 N-4004 Stavanger, NORWAY Fax: +47 51 87 52 00 Two questions: 1. What's good about GNU libc? 2. Whose libc is libc5? LIBC5 is GNU libc with substantial patches for Linux. LIBC6 is GNU libc with the Linux support merged back in to the main source thread. GNU calls these LIBC 1 and 2. We call it LIBC6 on Linux because our version numbers didn't follow the GNU ones. All Linux distributions will go to LIBC6. There are no hold-outs that I know of. Bruce Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jean Pierre LeJacq [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: xemacs and emacs Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have both working fine on my system which is based on the unstable branch. Didn't have to do anything special. -- Jean Pierre On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Steve Hsieh wrote: Can someone explain why the xemacs and emacs packages can't coexist on the same Debian system? (What would it take to make them coexist?) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
A question about TmView (dvisvga)
Hello, I installed the tmview_96.05-1.deb package which I got from bo/binary/tex some days ago (it disapeared from there now, like some other TeXrelated packages??). At home it works fine at home (360 DPI fonts) but in the university it produces only a very strange vertical pattern. Behind this pattern I can see the shadow of my DVI just like after a curtain. I use 600 DPI fonts. There aren't any error messages. Does anybody have a clue Andreas. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Emacs keys differences between console and X
Hello, I use Emacs at the console (I have an 486/33 :-() and under X. I've done some key bindings in my .emacs (more detailed in an *.el file called from .emacs but this is not the point): (global-set-key [C-left] 'backward-word) (global-set-key [C-right] 'forward-word) (global-set-key [C-prior] 'beginning-of-buffer) (global-set-key [C-next] 'end-of-buffer) (global-set-key [C-backspace] 'backward-kill-word) (global-set-key [C-delete]'kill-word) (global-set-key [M-backspace] 'backward-kill-sentence) (global-set-key [M-delete]'kill-sentence) Well, this works fine under X :-). But under X the Alt-key refuses to work as Meta. In any case I have to press ESC-... . While working at the console my Alt-key works fina as Meta, but the key bindings mentioned above don't work. C-x or any C-[a-z] works fine but it seems me that the Control key didn't work together with other special keys. A hint for this behaviour is that C-h kCTRL-LeftArrow says that left was pressed (the same when trying C-h kCTRL-F? seems only the F?-key to be pressed). So the question is: How to enable the Alt as Meta under X and how to make a differnce between for instance CTRL-LeftArrow and LeftArrow? Thanks in advance Andreas. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Linux in an NT domain
Yup - I think it's called smb-NT-verify.1.1.tar.gz. I don't remember exactly where I got it, but here's the authors name from the nt-linux.readme file ... Christopher Burke| Unique | Web: http://www.mindware.com.au Mindware | Custom | Info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 9, Richlands | Innovative | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Q. 4077, Australia | Development | Telephone:Australia 0412-696290 Check the website listed above - that has more information. -- From: Richard L Shepherd Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 1997 8:44 PM To: Debian Users Subject:Linux in an NT domain Does anyone know if Debian has packaged the package which allows a Linux box to participate in an NT domain? I read somewhere once that such a package exists, but am very vague as to the details of what it did. NB: it's not samba, it's do with sharing the user-space/passwords etc. Any ideas? 8---8 Richard Shepherd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 8---8 application/ms-tnef
Re: Apache web server POSTing.
At 08:28 AM 16/04/97 -0600, Chad Zimmerman wrote: I had that when I first installed. Make sure the path callout for your cgi-bin in the .conf files is correst, and once that is done check the ownership of the directory and the access privilages of the cgi-bin directory. Here is how ine is: drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 2048 Mar 17 11:08 cgi-bin H, this has installed it by default like that shouldn't it? The only cgi-bin I've got in the access.conf file is: Directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin AllowOverride None # Options FollowSymlinks Options Indexes FollowSymlinks /Directory and the directory is: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Feb 19 05:48 /usr/lib/cgi-bin I figured there would be some sort of option to enable to make POSTings happen... Also keep in mind I'm not trying to do POST stuff, my users are - so obviously it'd be /~someuser/cgi-bin/wherever/etc.pl or whatever... -- Karl Ferguson Tower Networking Pty Ltd Tel: +61-9-456- [EMAIL PROTECTED] t/a STAR Online Services Fax: +61-9-455-2776 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
DEITY TEAM
How about the ability to search(currenlty using /) all fields not just the package name. It is sometimes helpfull if you are not sure what a package is called to search the discription of the package. Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://widget.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: pppd won't reset (or hang up) the modem
Yes, passive option is used. ppp.log says something like (sorry, my machine is at home so I don't have the exact words). terminating on signal 15 sent TermReq id ... recd TermAck .. Yes, ppp.log says terminating on signal ... Perhaps the key piece of evidence is that everything *used* to work fine until I had to switch to pap-style authorization. Ok. I'm asking because I've got the source tree here and I had to debug a nasty one myself a short while ago. Another question: do you use the passive or silent options? -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bi
On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Vadim wrote: Vadim My beloved Vadik, :) there is nothing objectively fast Vadim about slang and nothing slow about lisp. Emacs seems to Vadim be alot more complicated then jed that's all. (maybe jed is Vadim faster just because it meant to be fast emacs clone?) Vadim Vadim Dearest Borik, you should know that various Lisps (scheme, Vadim e-lisp, etc.) are interpreted really really slow, and S-Lang Vadim is interpreted faster. E-lisp is a very light lisp... Vadim As far as I know, jed can do basically Vadim the same things emacs can. Jed uses alot less system calls, too bad ;-). Vadim It's still slower than vi, because Vadim vi doesn't make 8 system calls per keystroke (as emacs does). Jed is about 3 system calls per keystroke, but it has nothing to do with lisp. Vadim And about jed being faster because it's supposed to be a Vadim faster emacs clone -- let's call emacs a faster ed clone and Vadim see how it works ;) Let's call ed fast but reduced emacs clone. Vadim Always truly yours, borik Vadim Vadim I love you too, bro Vadik. Can't live without you!! :..(.. borik --- Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] System Group[EMAIL PROTECTED] Institute of Computer Science [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hebrew University Jerusalemhome: +972 2 6411880 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Install report, finally
On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Alexander Koch wrote: [...] 3. On the boot discs there were only /dev/sdb1 to /dev/sdb8, both 9 and 10 were missing. Well, it's not difficult to have 10 partitions if you a) only use two primary, one to be an extended partition with the rest being logical ones and b) if you're lucky and have a 4g hd. I had to mknod them and seem to have forgotten to do it on /target/dev/, too, what was further annoying. I reported this problem on 27 Jan when I got stuck trying to install from Debian 1.2. (This was on sda, but sdb was the same.) Strangely, Debian 1.1 had 16 partitions which is why I didn't get hit before. I don't think 1.2 had any ram disk devices either, so I couldn't rdev the root device on my custom boot/root disk at home (1.2) but only at work (originally 1.1). Looking at 1.3 of 4 Apr, it seems to have one ok (/dev/ramdisk0). So please, more SCSI partitions. Disks are getting bigger, and some of us need to run multiple OSes. And please don't say you should have more disks, not partitions; that's a decision made by our purchasing dept, not me. -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Kernel panic
I am getting this message while booting my Linux box: VFS unable to mount root fs on 03:03 Can someone tell me what does it mean? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
WINE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Has wine been pkged for deb? If so where can I find it? Have a good one. - -- Rick Jones E-Mail: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16-Apr-97 Time: 14:34:56 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM1Ub3gi+Ph+i3TgpAQGkRwP9EgRnQToG2IgWo6AR/adl84jIvb7kzH// NdncVFlyBt2onphD5D9TDQ6GEPFjpsDg31KaBgTasdd/jQowQQcraz6LEqzz6/2X LtspLv2IPMvIPAviHlP8LppTPncHG0XmQ9WRXlONU4EXTeRYh+15x3ovYqQT+rJL i96rmXaECXk= =qlBQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Apache web server POSTing.
I've already been baffled by this Sue... Here's what's basically in my access.conf: Directory / AllowOverride None Options None Order deny,allow deny from all /Directory Directory /home/* Options All AllowOverride FileInfo order allow,deny allow from all /Directory Limit GET POST Options All /Limit And of course, the rest of the stuff like /var/www - default things. However the error still persists being: Method not implemented POST to /~matt/cgi-bin/Formmail/formmail.pl not supported. So, how does one _get_ is supported? It's got me baffled! :-) Has anyone got any ideas? :) At 12:35 PM 16/04/97 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the latest version of the apache FAQ http://www.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html read the following: 21.Why do I keep getting access denied for form POST requests? The most common cause of this is a Limit section that only names the GET method. Look in your configuration files for something that resembles the following and would affect the location where the POST-handling script resides: Limit GET : Change that to Limit GET POST and the problem will probably go away. I hope this helps. I don't know why this wouldn't be configured correctly as apache worked fine for me 'out of the box'. -- Karl Ferguson Tower Networking Pty Ltd Tel: +61-9-456- [EMAIL PROTECTED] t/a STAR Online Services Fax: +61-9-455-2776 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Dial-in Config Problem
I've no idea if this is might be documented somewhere. If so, please point me to the right FM to RTFM grin Thanks. I would like to offer both normal terminal and PPP connections on my dial-in modems for my end-users. If possible, I'd like it to be as automated as possible - i.e. No user intervention. Is this possible? If so, any suggestions, etc.? TIA, Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Edmondson Roper CA http://www.eroper.bc.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Dial-in Config Problem
In your email to me, Kevin Traas, you wrote: I've no idea if this is might be documented somewhere. If so, please point me to the right FM to RTFM grin Thanks. I would like to offer both normal terminal and PPP connections on my dial-in modems for my end-users. If possible, I'd like it to be as automated as possible - i.e. No user intervention. Is this possible? If so, any suggestions, etc.? IT's very possible, and also very easy. Take a look at http://www.buoy.com/isp at the mgetty page.. Tim PS: mgetty is a debian package. -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Kernel panic
On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Pilon wrote: I am getting this message while booting my Linux box: VFS unable to mount root fs on 03:03 Can someone tell me what does it mean? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . If you have compiled your own kernel you probably forgot to include support for your hard disk. If you have a IDE hard disk set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE to y. George --- George Kapetanios Churchill College Cambridge, CB3 0DSE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U.K. WWW: http://garfield.chu.cam.ac.uk/~gk205/work_info.html --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Dial-in Config Problem
In your email to me, Kevin Traas, you wrote: I would like to offer both normal terminal and PPP connections on my dial-in modems for my end-users. If possible, I'd like it to be as automated as possible - i.e. No user intervention. Is this possible? If so, any suggestions, etc.? IT's very possible, and also very easy. Take a look at http://www.buoy.com/isp at the mgetty page.. Wow!!! That was a quick response! And to exactly what I was looking for and more! Thanks, Tim! PS: mgetty is a debian package. Yup, seen it, haven't touched it, thought it would be part of the solution, though. Thanks again, Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Edmondson Roper CA http://www.eroper.bc.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape/Lynx long startup time - why?
If you type ping -c 5 www.microsoft.com how long does it take before you see the first line ? This almost sounds like a DNS timeout. --Jeff (just a guess) On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Brian C. White wrote: The latest mime-support (2.12) will work much better with lynx since it tries to use tests that lynx can recognize internally without forking an external process. Where is 2.12 available. I can only find 2.11 on my nearest Debian mirror. It was stuck in incoming until this morning. As soon as ftp.debian.org catches up to master, it will be in Bo. Lynx takes so terribly long time form me to start that I wonder if I should install a plain ASCII-reader in my Midnight-Commander for html files. Are there possibly other reasons for this behaviour? Not that I know of. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS
I like the consept of dselect as it is but som improvments are welcome. The sugestions is sorted in thre cattegorys: 1) Small improvments to dselects interface. 2) Bigger new featurs to dselect. 3) New / improved featurs involving possably changes to the pakage managment system. Lets start with 1) small improvments to dselects interface... 1.1 The enter key When the user press ENTER no strange fings must happen. If its a menu, the higlited item is shosen (as it works now). Some sugestuons for other cases: ENTER in the package list: pop up a screan describing the pakage curent status in verbose text at the top. The rest of the pop-up is a menu wher You can chose wath to do with the pakage. All the pakage status in verbose (instal, purge, hold, unhold etc). Seperated by a line some options not conected to the curent package (abort menu, check dependensis and go to main menu, go to main menu without checking dependensys, abort session whitout saving changes, show pakage deskription full screan (aborted whit enter), show pakage filelist in full screen, change preferenses/view etc). ENTER in the dependesy resuluton list shold be much the same whit som extra opten like: abort dependency screen whitout saving shanges made (inkluding the changes premade by dselect). The view description option above is werry neded here. All this option shuld have an accalrator key asigned. It shold also be presented in an cosistent way in the menus, eg in squar brakets. This will help newbes bekome DEITY-gurus an fly along... 1.2 Change focus If the user press TAB Focus shold be moved. In the package list focus is cycled thru deskripton window (allow scroll of deskription whit cursor keys and space), some menus att the top of scrern (preferenses, help etc) and the man package list window. The option to scroll the deskription window with a accelarator key shold be keept. 1.3 Limited view When presing enter on the header line the first menu shose shuld be to toggel the if that group shold pe precented or not. In the begining all sections shold be closed. This will make it easier to navigate the huge set of debian pakages. 1.4 Posability to treat recomends as recomends Or shold I say as sugests. This shose shold be posably to do from the preferens menu. It's ok (possably best) if the preferenses is reset to some default when the program is restarted. Changes to the default preferenses should be posably thru a config file (dotfile). 2) Bigger improvments 2.1 Searched view A advansed serch screen would be nice. It shuld seartch the pakage names, descriptions, filelists, possably depenndensis in a powerfull manner. You may then go to a package list and chose (like usual) among onle those page maching Your querry. Dependesy resulution most of corse check all pakage. It would be nice to be able to save the querrys as well 2.1 Loging / Supressing of mesages Loging of what dselect have done and any problem wold be nice. Supression of the famus skipping mesage whold be nice. A preeview what dselect is about to do wold be nice (a list of packages to install/deinstall/perge). If the preeview is alreddy sorted in dependency order that wold bbe nice. Dependency sorting is allredy in the DEITY project? else that is a major sugestion! 2.2 Different default for different distrubutions. An exampel. DEITY is ponting both att stable and unstabel. I do have a pakage from stabel in status unhold and want it to be automaticly shosen for uppgrade if ther is a new version in stabel. But I only want it to upgrade to unstable if I tell it to. What i want is some mekanism to tell that I want to know about new stuff from some source and I want to bee able to install it by selecting it but I dont want to automagicly uppgrade to it.. undurstandable? 3.1 Pree Configure If a pakage has a PreeConfigure script that shuld be run from DEITY when the pakage is shosen for install BEFORE the dependensy resolution given the script a change to resolv the dependensys in a more context avare manner. This will add posabilatys to maake great meta pakages. This dose not demand that the config info is stored in the selection database but it be nice to at least hav a pointer to the config info in the database to make it posibly to distrubute it automaticly betwen maskines. Posably adding an uninteraktive option to install making pakages having wrong preeconfiginfo fail insted of go interaktiv on install (makes it even more possably to make automated upgrades of several maskines). 3.2 Meta and slave package Slave pakages is pakages that is normaly not shoved i DEITY selections lists. if thay are neaded they are chosen automagicaly an if the ar not neaded they are removed automagicaly. For smal pakages that take no costom configuration and comes in only one version. It shold be possably thru the preferenses to make DETIY treat slave pakages just like ordanary pakages. Meta pakages is pakages that makes it esier to install other pakages with a higer
Re: bi
Vadim Vygonets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 15 Apr 1997, Alair Pereira do Lago wrote: I do not know vi well but I do not see how it could be simpler than ctr-alt-s in emacs. There, while you are filling the regular expression you can see the text that the incomplete regular expression is matching. If you put one letter more and the matching you had does not match anymore, it goes to next ocurrence of that regular expression you have in the text. Here, I was not saying anything about fastness or slowness of any editor, but about a powerful use of emacs. Two reasons emacs is slow: 1. Lisp (jed is faster than emacs because it uses S-Lang (however they spell it)). I like [x]jed too. Indeed I use jed for small editions. Besides, my .emacs, site-start.el and default.el load many many things and takes some seconds to start. 2. It does too much things on your every keystroke (like that one above). Probably. I recall that emacs in a console or xterm is faster than in X. If you are using features like font-lock-mode (which put colors on your text according to the syntax), then things can be slower. Anycase, the time between two of my keystrokes are much more large. You didn't type it in emacs, did you? Emacs auto-fill mode breaks at 70th character, and you typed about 79 per line. I will answer you in a simple way: Take an Emacs and start the Gnus news reader. Then select my message in the summary and hit 't'. In this way you will see all the headers of my message. There you will see the X-Mailer field which was: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 In your reply to my message I see the message ID was Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I guess you have used pine to send your message. See Vadik, I do not want to say that vi is bad. I was just trying to expose a feature of emacs that I like a lot: incremental search for strings or regular expressions. I do not use vi for some editions just because I do know how to use it well. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
DEITY TEAM -- one comment
Hi, When I first installed debian I selected more packages than would fit on the disk, and so I ended up with tons of broken packages and had to install again. dselect recovered nicely (something other distributions don't do) but since each package has a predictable size it seems dselect could have predicted the problem, which would have been even nicer. Also, when disk space gets low it would be nice to be able to sort packages by size (can I do this already?) so I could see what's eating up disk space and whether I really need it. In general, it would be nice to have the program more aware of package size for those of us with limited space. Just a thought. Havoc PS me too! on the idea of suppressing all those skipping... messages. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
start-stop-daemon unwell?
Running a machine with the frozen version of debian: etc/init.d/xdm: Command not found. host:/etc/init.d# /etc/init.d/xdm stop no /usr/bin/X11/xdm found; none killed. host:/etc/init.d# start-stop-daemon --stop --exec /usr/bin/X11/xdm no /usr/bin/X11/xdm found; none killed. host:/etc/init.d# ps -aux | grep xdm root 162 0.0 2.3 2008 720 ? SApr 1 0:00 /usr/bin/X11/xdm root 7866 0.0 0.9 900 296 p0 S 13:04 0:00 grep xdm the xdm init script has start-stop-daemon use the pid-file to set the target. Mine has the proper process number in it. Is this a bug or am I missing something? -- -Mike Horansky, Leland Consultant (http://consult.stanford.edu/) [EMAIL PROTECTED] OPINIONS EXPRESSED BY ME ARE NOT NECESSARILY SHARED BY MY EMPLOYERS. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bi
On 16 Apr 1997, Alair Pereira do Lago wrote: Here, I was not saying anything about fastness or slowness of any editor, but about a powerful use of emacs. Emacs is powerful, but in vi the work is faster not only because the editor is faster, but also because you don't have to move your fingers off the letters. I like [x]jed too. Indeed I use jedfor small editions. Besides, my .emacs, site-start.el and default.el load many many things and takes some seconds to start. Mine too. cc-mode, font-lock, etc... You didn't type it in emacs, did you? Emacs auto-fill mode breaks at 70th character, and you typed about 79 per line. I will answer you in a simple way: Take an Emacs and start the Gnus news reader. Then select my message in the summary and hit 't'. In this way you will see all the headers of my message. There you will see the X-Mailer field which was: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 In your reply to my message I see the message ID was Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I guess you have used pine to send your message. So? I use pine, and emacs as the alternative editor. See Vadik, I do not want to say that vi is bad. I was just trying to expose a feature of emacs that I like a lot: incremental search for strings or regular expressions. I do not use vi for some editions just because I do know how to use it well. Well, I use emacs for mail and programming, and vi for configs and patches. Sometimes I use ed. Well, both vi and emacs have its own purposes. I don't like incremental search because it's slow. On my good ol' 486 I used emacs only when I needed something really big. Now I have a Pentium 133, but I'm too used to vi to forget it :) Vadik. -- Vadim Vygonets * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Unix admin If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor, and when was the last time you needed one? -- Tom Cargil, C++ Journal, Fall 1990. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
DEITY TEAM: Ideas (Long)
Ok guys, ready for my comments on dselect? There are some doozies in here, and some not-so-doozies. Also, there may be many points that can't work simply because of the way packages are set up. The ideas are in no particular order. 1) Allow quick install from floppies It'd be really nice to have a system for having a single package installed on a floppy, or set of floppies in a way where a user can stick the disk in, and dselect would read and install whatever is on it. The main reason for this is for the user's ease. If the package being installed has dependancies, they should be listed with some sort of You need XXX to install this, where can I find it? message. 2) Simple install When trying to install debian, I am simply overwhelmed by the number of packages I have to deal with, and I consider myself to have above average knowledge of UNIX programs! When first installing Debian, a simple walkthrough of Q/A would solve most of these problems. EXAMPLE: (inaccurate, but you get the point) Are you going to access the WWW from this system?[Yes] What is your prefered Reader?[NETSCAPE] Are you going to read email on this system? [Yes] What is your prefered Reader?[ELM] Do you want X installed on this system? [Yes] Will you be writing programs for X? [Yes] If all questions are displayed at once, some questions can grey out, or options become unavailable as each question is answered. 3) Insist on better package descriptions When digging through packages, I'd frequently come across a package I don't recognize. I can't even tell if it would be something I'd want, because there's no description! 4) Graphical Install It is possible to make a GUI work in text, but often you'll end up in a situation where too much information is displayed in a manner that the user just can't comprehend because of all the text on the screen. I also understand that X may not be an option. Mid-way, you can use text with IBM-ASCII symbols to make nice borders around everything to seperate them out evenly. 5) Better keystroke selections I dont' know how many times I got upset when I selected a package with return only to exit the selection process. d to read more of the description? + -? Here's an idea of what I'm thinking of: (done in non-ibm ascii, because I'm not on an IBM.. and done without any planning, so I can do better :) __ ___ _ / Location \/ Selection \/ Install \ ---/ \ || | - Base X11 *Communication* math development games design - | || | PACKAGE Description Status| | - | | Elm A mail reader Installed | |-Netscape A WWW Browser SELECTED | | tin A News reader | | ppp A communication protocol Unconfigured | | slip A communication protocol FAILED| | dip Manager for SLIP DE-SELECTED | || || | Press space on any item to select or de-select it. Press Return on any | | Item to get more detailed information on it. | -- In this particular design, you use tab to rotate through the tabs, left and right arrows to select the groups of packages you are dealing with, up and down to scroll through the possible selections, and space to select. Return gives the description of the package, as well as a reason for its status. In the case of slip above, it would search the package and say something like: file /usr/bin/slip is missing. Solution: Re-install. Colors would bring this sort of UI one step farther, coloring the packages and their statuses diffrently depending on their status. Allowing a simple filter that filters out packages with a particular status would be fantastic, allowing people to ignore already installed or uninstalled packages if they need to. Similarly, we could have: __ ___ _ / Location
Re: FINALLY! Relay control for smail
George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to a posting in comp.mail.smail by Bruse Becker, relay control has been added to smail as of version 3.2.0.93 This is a MOST WELCOME feature and a security asset to any site on the net running smail. Do we have this verison as a package yet? You might want to investigate Exim, which has more security facilities than you can shake a stick at, and is just as easy to configure as smail. Tony. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bi (Please stop it)
Folks, what does it matter if one editor is faster than another? Or if one is more powerful than any other? Nothing! The particular user has to be familiar with at least one editor in that way that _he_ can use it for his purposes. It doesn't make any sense discussing wether one particular editor is better than another. This is a problem which is not decidable - speaking as a computer scientist. So please stop this now. If there is still one person who hasn't found his favourite editor, please consult either ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/bo/binary/editors/ or ftp://sunsiste.unc.edu/pub/Linux/apps/editors/ Regards, Joey -- / Martin Schulze * Debian GNU/Linux Developer * [EMAIL PROTECTED] / / http://www.debian.org/ http://home.pages.de/~joey/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
debian-user-digest Digest V97 #117
Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:54:41 + debian-user-digest Digest Volume 97 : Issue 117 Today's Topics: Re: Install report, finally Kernel panic WINE Re: Apache web server POSTing. Dial-in Config Problem Re: Dial-in Config Problem Re: Kernel panic Re: Dial-in Config Problem Re: Netscape/Lynx long startup time - why? Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS Re: bi DEITY TEAM -- one comment start-stop-daemon unwell? Re: bi Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:33:32 +0100 (bst) From: David Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alexander Koch [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Install report, finally Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Alexander Koch wrote: [...] 3. On the boot discs there were only /dev/sdb1 to /dev/sdb8, both 9 and 10 were missing. Well, it's not difficult to have 10 partitions if you a) only use two primary, one to be an extended partition with the rest being logical ones and b) if you're lucky and have a 4g hd. I had to mknod them and seem to have forgotten to do it on /target/dev/, too, what was further annoying. I reported this problem on 27 Jan when I got stuck trying to install from Debian 1.2. (This was on sda, but sdb was the same.) Strangely, Debian 1.1 had 16 partitions which is why I didn't get hit before. I don't think 1.2 had any ram disk devices either, so I couldn't rdev the root device on my custom boot/root disk at home (1.2) but only at work (originally 1.1). Looking at 1.3 of 4 Apr, it seems to have one ok (/dev/ramdisk0). So please, more SCSI partitions. Disks are getting bigger, and some of us need to run multiple OSes. And please don't say you should have more disks, not partitions; that's a decision made by our purchasing dept, not me. -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:13:52 + From: Pilon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Kernel panic Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am getting this message while booting my Linux box: VFS unable to mount root fs on 03:03 Can someone tell me what does it mean? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:33:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: WINE Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Has wine been pkged for deb? If so where can I find it? Have a good one. - -- Rick Jones E-Mail: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16-Apr-97 Time: 14:34:56 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM1Ub3gi+Ph+i3TgpAQGkRwP9EgRnQToG2IgWo6AR/adl84jIvb7kzH// NdncVFlyBt2onphD5D9TDQ6GEPFjpsDg31KaBgTasdd/jQowQQcraz6LEqzz6/2X LtspLv2IPMvIPAviHlP8LppTPncHG0XmQ9WRXlONU4EXTeRYh+15x3ovYqQT+rJL i96rmXaECXk= =qlBQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:35:44 +0800 From: Karl Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Apache web server POSTing. Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've already been baffled by this Sue... Here's what's basically in my access.conf: Directory / AllowOverride None Options None Order deny,allow deny from all /Directory Directory /home/* Options All AllowOverride FileInfo order allow,deny allow from all /Directory Limit GET POST Options All /Limit And of course, the rest of the stuff like /var/www - default things. However the error still persists being: Method not implemented POST to /~matt/cgi-bin/Formmail/formmail.pl not supported. So, how does one _get_ is supported? It's got me baffled! :-) Has anyone got any ideas? :) At 12:35 PM 16/04/97 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the latest version of the apache FAQ http://www.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html read the following: 21.Why do I keep getting access denied for form POST requests? The most common cause of this is a Limit section that only names the GET method.
RE: Dial-in Config Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- This is from the NET-2-HOWTO. You can find more in the ppp-HOWTO and I believe the serial howto. Configuring a PPP server is similar to establishing a SLIP server. You can create a special `ppp' account, which uses an executable script as its login shell. The /etc/passwd entry might look like: ppp:EncPasswd:102:50:PPP client login:/tmp:/etc/ppp/ppplogin and the /etc/ppp/ppplogin script might look like: #!/bin/sh exec /usr/sbin/pppd passive :192.1.2.23 The address that you provide will be the address that the calling machine will be assigned. Naturally, if you want multiple users to have simultaneous access you would have to create a number of startup scripts and individual accounts for each to use, as you can only put one ip address in each script. On 16-Apr-97 Kevin Traas wrote: I've no idea if this is might be documented somewhere. If so, please point me to the right FM to RTFM grin Thanks. I would like to offer both normal terminal and PPP connections on my dial-in modems for my end-users. If possible, I'd like it to be as automated as possible - i.e. No user intervention. Is this possible? If so, any suggestions, etc.? TIA, Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Edmondson Roper CA http://www.eroper.bc.ca -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Have a good one. - -- Rick Jones E-Mail: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16-Apr-97 Time: 17:01:36 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM1U+Owi+Ph+i3TgpAQGnxwP/e2pACHHHfWwXHVPepuWwNoxEHIMdpsSF p9lC1Bjo+luHXU/2nMYLYIBZEEhaEQmX1FubPAV0NJymqdCviVxrzhDa4ooZL4o0 pG0PeqxjhCNCqrzGJIygsx324ryIVx+Tdofu01lSgjSDL+4O6T+fH/mx6Tn52rhs QpMpzG4S0IA= =9h/N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Linux in an NT domain
On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Carpenter, Dean (MS Mail) wrote: Yup - I think it's called smb-NT-verify.1.1.tar.gz. I don't remember exactly where I got it, but here's the authors name from the nt-linux.readme file ... Christopher Burke| Unique | Web: http://www.mindware.com.au Mindware | Custom | Info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 9, Richlands | Innovative | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Q. 4077, Australia | Development | Telephone:Australia 0412-696290 Check the website listed above - that has more information. Thanx, I found it, it's at: http://www.mindware.com.au/ftp/smb-NT-verify.1.1.tar.gz Cheers, 8---8 Richard Shepherd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 8---8 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bi (Please stop it)
what does it matter if one editor is faster than another? Or if one is more powerful than any other? Nothing! The particular user has to be familiar with at least one editor in that way that _he_ can use it for his purposes. The issue relevant to this group is: what editor should someone expect to find on a system's boot/rescue disk? That someone presumably being a person with enough unix experience to recover from the usual problems that can make your machine fail to boot. The last thing you need at that point (especially if this is a server for many people) is a surprise from the editor or to have to learn a new one. Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
FXircom gives in...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Another battle won for Linux. I'm sending this to the driver developer as soon as I find his email. In case they don't know yet. Anybody know the email offhand? (Ethernet cards) - -FW: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Ricky Tracking # 322629 There are no drivers currently. There has been a great request for this type of driver. After many letters, the marketing team has created a way for freeware users to gain access to the information needed to create their own drivers. If you are interested in creating you own driver fax your request for information to John DiGiovanni at (805)376-9311. Should you have any further questions, Please don't hesitate to contact us again. Please send all correspondences to [EMAIL PROTECTED], all others will be forwarded resulting in a longer reply time! Regards, Xircom Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: rickya @ siservices.net at internet on 04/15/97 11:39 PM Subject: webmail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Text Item: Text Item The information below was submitted from the Technical Support area on the Xircom website using the following form: Request for Technical Support Name: Rick Jones Company: Address: City: State: Country: Zip: Phone: Fax: E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Product Model: PEII Serial Number: Computer Make: Pentium 100 Triton PCI Card and Socket Services: ppx: no infrared port: no sound support: no docking station: no Number of PCMCIA Slots: 1 Operating System/Version: Linux 2.0.29 kernel Network Operating System: Linux 2.0.29 kernel Other PCMCIA Adapters: Firmware Revision: Driver Revision: Dongle Part Number: Questions/Configuation: I have a PEII adapter that I want to use on my linux box. Are there any drivers available for this OS? If not, is the PEII compatable with any other card drivers? - -End of forwarding message- Have a good one. - -- Rick Jones E-Mail: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16-Apr-97 Time: 17:15:54 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM1VBigi+Ph+i3TgpAQFl+QP/cBMIuUXOiBj6O6oozcYH4hJC8Jiui+LH Lgg/RvRGB0Qu1U2nFkqyOZ1hOEO04WVNb+Xhv2eIRyMSiZPz8nsa0B7MMcKIJKbc HD9uV713dMA+GfUzmMvjqhiyeo1BKWT0ExsH0XLsQrpyPljRCEImLyclqzIuhseh KmvLUL10dQU= =9zKI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Errors upgrading 1.2.x - frozen
Hi, In trying to upgrade a 1.2.x system to 'frozen' (to see if this would fix my I can't receive smtp email from a M$ Exchange-based site problem). I recieve a bunch of these errors when telling dselect to install: --- getting: unstable/binary-i386/x11/xcolors_1.5-4.deb (10724) unstable/binary-i386/x11/xcolors_1.5-4.deb: No such file OR directory. getting: unstable/binary-i386/x11/xfnt75_3.2-3.deb (1355524) unstable/binary-i386/x11/xfnt75_3.2-3.deb: No such file OR directory. getting: unstable/binary-i386/x11/xscreensaver_1.27-2.deb (223118) unstable/binary-i386/x11/xscreensaver_1.27-2.deb: No such file OR directory. getting: unstable/binary-i386/utils/cpio_2.4.2-10.deb (59950) unstable/binary-i386/utils/cpio_2.4.2-10.deb: No such file OR directory. --- I didn't tell it to look in unstable, I told it to look in stable frozen non-free contrib. This is from ftp.debian.org, in /debian. So what's up? TIA, -- Pete Harlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: WINE
Has wine been pkged for deb? If so where can I find it? Have a good one. You can find a really old version of wine in project/experimental. I have a newer version compiled on my machine and will be uploading a new package before the release of 1.3. Since Wine isn't really useful as a tool, yet, I haven't been keeping the debian package up to date with the latest source. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Debian GNU/Linux! Search it at http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: WINE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Are you involved in the development or just pkging for Debian? I really only want wine for a few programs. ICQ in particular so I'll know when friends and family logon and to send msgs etc... www.mirabilis.com if you want to check it out. I really don't see why there hasn't been a Linux version of this type of utility. It's really usefull. It would be awesome for developing groups. On 16-Apr-97 Brian C. White wrote: Has wine been pkged for deb? If so where can I find it? Have a good one. You can find a really old version of wine in project/experimental. I have a newer version compiled on my machine and will be uploading a new package before the release of 1.3. Since Wine isn't really useful as a tool, yet, I haven't been keeping the debian package up to date with the latest source. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) - - -- Debian GNU/Linux! Search it at http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Have a good one. - -- Rick Jones E-Mail: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16-Apr-97 Time: 17:37:04 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM1VGgAi+Ph+i3TgpAQENFQQAjYkdMpObAxSJx6BLmZ3Uarfli5L9VYCG MJpGXqeIjILMlKKWSjN9PpnQvT0lxSV+FlyxliiTZ7Ogf164pTU/bWLGIQ8u5wd0 xJIPMGtCYWlccqIVhI9Anb8N5/zhSBtCgRpOOKsUh7tSi06hQzr5xPsPL5QmmLFo Axi3xlyAlt4= =/T3V -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Errors upgrading 1.2.x - frozen
The 'file names' are wrong in Package.frozen. A work around : - You tell deselect to Update the package list. - Just after it has downloaded the list, you switch to another console (or xterm) and, in the appropriate directory, (/var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/) type : sed -e '/unstable/s//frozen/' Packages.frozen Packages.f; mv Packages.f Packages.frozen it replaces every occurence of 'unstable' by 'frozen' So your package list is updated. You can go back to dselect and tell it to continue. You should be fine. That's how I installed bo. (frozen). Alexandre On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Pete Harlan wrote: Hi, In trying to upgrade a 1.2.x system to 'frozen' (to see if this would fix my I can't receive smtp email from a M$ Exchange-based site problem). I recieve a bunch of these errors when telling dselect to install: --- getting: unstable/binary-i386/x11/xcolors_1.5-4.deb (10724) unstable/binary-i386/x11/xcolors_1.5-4.deb: No such file OR directory. getting: unstable/binary-i386/x11/xfnt75_3.2-3.deb (1355524) unstable/binary-i386/x11/xfnt75_3.2-3.deb: No such file OR directory. getting: unstable/binary-i386/x11/xscreensaver_1.27-2.deb (223118) unstable/binary-i386/x11/xscreensaver_1.27-2.deb: No such file OR directory. getting: unstable/binary-i386/utils/cpio_2.4.2-10.deb (59950) unstable/binary-i386/utils/cpio_2.4.2-10.deb: No such file OR directory. --- I didn't tell it to look in unstable, I told it to look in stable frozen non-free contrib. This is from ftp.debian.org, in /debian. So what's up? TIA, -- Pete Harlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Errors upgrading 1.2.x - frozen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I don't know why this is. They could fix it by creating a symlink unstable - - bo. I just used master.debian.org instead. It works fine. On 16-Apr-97 Pete Harlan wrote: Hi, In trying to upgrade a 1.2.x system to 'frozen' (to see if this would fix my I can't receive smtp email from a M$ Exchange-based site problem). I recieve a bunch of these errors when telling dselect to install: --- getting: unstable/binary-i386/x11/xcolors_1.5-4.deb (10724) unstable/binary-i386/x11/xcolors_1.5-4.deb: No such file OR directory. getting: unstable/binary-i386/x11/xfnt75_3.2-3.deb (1355524) unstable/binary-i386/x11/xfnt75_3.2-3.deb: No such file OR directory. getting: unstable/binary-i386/x11/xscreensaver_1.27-2.deb (223118) unstable/binary-i386/x11/xscreensaver_1.27-2.deb: No such file OR directory. getting: unstable/binary-i386/utils/cpio_2.4.2-10.deb (59950) unstable/binary-i386/utils/cpio_2.4.2-10.deb: No such file OR directory. --- I didn't tell it to look in unstable, I told it to look in stable frozen non-free contrib. This is from ftp.debian.org, in /debian. So what's up? TIA, -- Pete Harlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Have a good one. - -- Rick Jones E-Mail: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16-Apr-97 Time: 17:41:48 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM1VHnAi+Ph+i3TgpAQFL0gP/dKC1y8ktqvB4tiJPqzdBVAxnWWc89cCL nD2cdIe5d9KCLr9LDTJCy1Vw3oTMoJ/SjOvfMFmpPOrjQKWiTGw3AAe46rSw9CcM 1At0IgF1neoGBrOd+Qkiyl9q8c+4b86mLqEzBcSNAwzbsLwX4XFDFqPqCZIZv/WN jY/cSazak3Y= =/720 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Errors upgrading 1.2.x - frozen
Alexandre writes: The 'file names' are wrong in Package.frozen. A work around : Thanks! That fixed it! -- Pete Harlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
recording CD's
I am getting questions from possible future Linux users. I'll post them to this list to tap into the extensive experience. Maybe we'll get more converts. Question of the day: Those of you who burn CD's from Linux - what software do you use? Is it dependable and straightforward to use? Oops, that's two questions. Hoping for response, Richard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: recording CD's
On Apr 16, Richard Sevenich wrote I am getting questions from possible future Linux users. I'll post them to this list to tap into the extensive experience. Maybe we'll get more converts. Question of the day: Those of you who burn CD's from Linux - what software do you use? Is it dependable and straightforward to use? There are two, actually. a) cdwrite which is part of Debian GNU/Linux b) cdrecord which is actually not part of Debian GNU/Linux (might be in the future) Regards, Joey -- / Martin Schulze * Debian GNU/Linux Developer * [EMAIL PROTECTED] / / http://www.debian.org/ http://home.pages.de/~joey/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: recording CD's
On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:29:58 -0700, Richard Sevenich wrote: I am getting questions from possible future Linux users. I'll post them to this list to tap into the extensive experience. Maybe we'll get more converts. Question of the day: Those of you who burn CD's from Linux - what software do you use? I started off with Xcdroast, which is a slick GUI frontend for the only CDR software I know of for linux, cdwrite 2.0. I now just use dd and cdwrite at the command line and in scripts.quicker and much more powerful. I can even do a straight IDE CD to CDR dupe.very cool. Is it dependable and straightforward to use? Once you figure out how to use it, sure. ; If you are looking to do images you would use mkisofs. I've never used it but I assume it is pretty sraight forward. If you are using a partition for the image I assume you can just format it ISO and mount it rw to do work. BTW I'm using a Phillips CDD2000. It is a very good drive, except the face plate does not seal, thus is can get dust inside. It looks like REV B of the CDD2006 finally fixed this problem, and if they have I highly recommand the drive. I have yet to ever burn a bad CD Dave 'Kill a Cop' Cinege (aka Psychopath #3) --- Super Genius at Large Shelter me from the powder in the finger..Cover me from the thought that pulled the trigger... Neil Young http://www.psychosis.com/ Libertarian Party 1-800-682-1776http://www.lp.org/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DEITY TEAM -- one comment
robert havoc pennington wrote: When I first installed debian I selected more packages than would fit on the disk, and so I ended up with tons of broken packages and had to install again. dselect recovered nicely (something other distributions don't do) but since each package has a predictable size it seems dselect could have predicted the problem, which would have been even nicer. [...] Unfortunately in some cases it is not so simple to check for space availability as /var may be on one partition, /usr on another and /lib yet somewhere else. Yet for most newbie installations it should be no problem (just one partition anyway), those that made up many partitions probably already know what the space requirements will be. Otherwise how did they decide on the partition sizes ! Other suggestions: *** 1 Yes for more size aware pakage management program *** 2 Sorry, this one probably resemebles much other propositions. I will only give it my own flavour. Yes for a hierachical package display. You definitely need to be able to collapse whole parts of them. The grouping packages would have 4 states: - None of its packages are selected - The default set of packages is selected. This is for newbies who want to do C but who don't want to choose between the libc (with many different versions) and the glibc, make and pmake... The grouping package should contain *sensible* defaults. This last point is probably the most difficult part particularly from a diplomatic point of vue. - Some packages selected but not the default set. Probably the user decided that he wanted a slightly different set of packages. - All packages selected. This would probably be very rare since some packages are incompatible (e.g. emacs and xemacs) The hierarchy need not be limited to two levels. Of course the user *must* have the option to open the grouping package and individually select the packages he wants. In practice we could have something like: D C - Default package selection . Objective C - Not selected X G++ - Selected X libg++ . Tex - No tex package selected (and it is collapsed) C Network - Custom selection of network packages D Emacs - All the packages X emacs . xemacs Open problem: how to affect the default package selection depending on the packages that are available. I.e. probably all the Tex packages should be grouped in the Tex grouping package. This may include X packages that you cannot install if you did not install X. We would probably need inter-grouping package recommends relations. Actual dependency problems are better left at the individual package level. Then if the user installs X, the program should report to the user (same way as for dependencies see below) that some packages that were in the default state could now be installed (thus the four states listed above would also apply to individual packages). *** 3 The dependency conflicts also need to be enhanced. Perhaps instead of asking the user each time the dependency conflicts should be logged and the user whould choose when to handle them. Either at the end (seems necessary) or before via some command. But the dependency mode should not jump on screen like a jack in the box. *** 4 I do not like the required, optional... organisation of the packages in dselect. I find it confusing. This should be a package attribute (made clear) but it should not influence the packages ordering on screen. Maybe it could be a filter: show only required packages, optional packages. *** 5 I would also like to be able to know which packages depend on the current package. Because sometimes I would like to uninstall a package but do not like the idea of going throught all the dependency recovery mechanism. -- Francois Gouget [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Beta testing 1.3 installation
I am gonna install frozen from scratch in a machine and I would like to keep all the messages printed in the installation. What can I do to log all the messages? Is there a way to use script for this purpose? Is script in the base? Is there another program I should know about? It is my intention to report the problems I find. Where should I report them? Debian-user? Thanks in advance. -- Alair Pereira do Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ime.usp.br/~alair Computer Science Department -- Universidade de S~ao Paulo -- Brazil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
