Re: DOSEMU mtools

1997-05-28 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Tue, 27 May 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  On Tue, 27 May 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   files in /usr/doc/dosemu and have visited the DOSEMU homepage and have
   seen a couple of references to mtools-3.6 having a utility called setup-
   hdimage.
   
   I've installed mtools_3.6-1 and don't see anything like that.
  
  setup-hdimage comes with dosemu, not mtools.  It is in 0.66.3 and 0.66.4.
  
 ???
 I just checked dosemu_0.66.3-1.deb, setup-hdimage was not there!?
 /usr/sbin/ has the following executables:
 getrom
 hdinfo
 mkfatimage
 mkhdimage
 putrom
 
 /usr/bin has:
 dos
 dosdebug
 xtermdos
 and xdos as sym-link to dos
 
 But I found nothing named setup-hdimage.  What am I missing?
 I'll pull 0.66.4 from one of the mirrors and see what it has...

It's a script in /usr/src/dosemu.

Bob


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dosemu

1997-05-28 Thread Rick Younie
A fellow posted a couple weeks ago about problems making a larger hdimage
for dosemu.  If t hat's you and you're still having problems, I just got
dosemu working properly -- larger hdimage and accessing a linux
subdirectory.  Lotsa fiddly bits.  Be glad to help if you write.

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Re: Problems configuring fetchmail

1997-05-28 Thread Rob Browning
Robert D. Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I experience this and other problems when using dynamic IPs.
  Using '-S localhost' on the commandline solves it for me.

I think I also solved a similar problem by fixing my /etc/hosts file.
I made sure that the first entry was 127.0.0.1 localhost, with no
other aliases.  As I recall that did it for me.

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Re: nfs-booting with a null-modem cable ?

1997-05-28 Thread Rob Browning
Alexandre Lebrun [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'd like to set up my PPro to enable my 486 to boot nfs.
 looking at mknfsroot, this should be possible and perhaps easy with eth 
 cards.

If you're talking about the 486 booting from an nfs mounted root on
your PPro machine, I think you may need an ethernet card with special
boot ROMs.  Though I'm no expert in this area, so I could be wrong.

If you're just talking about having a small hard drive in the 486 and
nfs mounting stuff after it comes up, then that's easy, you can do
that with the modem cable, or with ethernet.  With the modem cable
approach, you'll need ppp, and will be limited to about 10k/s.

You should browse the HOWTO index.  There's a HOWTO on PPP, and one (I
think) on net booting.  You can reach the HOWTO index from any Debian
web site mirror (www.debian.org).

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Re: Weierd afterstep-1.0-3 problem

1997-05-28 Thread Neil A. Rubin
On 23 May, Toens Bueker wrote:
 On May 22, Kevin Hilman wrote
 
 It installs with no complaints, but i can't run it.  
 I can run it if I download and compile the source myself, but I'd like
 to get the .deb working to use on multiple machines.
 What is going on here?  what file is missing here?  
 
 The package seems to require ld-linux.so.2 (try strings
 afterstep). I already reported that one to the maintainer.

I believe that this is all fixed in the just-released afterstep_1.0-4
package currently in Incoming.  Let me know if you have any further
problems.

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Re: couldn't get a free page

1997-05-28 Thread George Bonser


I have seen the same problem with a small system (8MB) when attempting to
mkfs a disk drive.  I wonder if it has anything to do with the disk
controller baing busy when the system attempts to swap.  This is a BusTek
ISA SCSI controller card that seems to want to load the BusLogic Driver.
It is the only disk controller on the system and has three hard drives and
a floppy attached. It probably would not happen with bus-mastering
controllers or and local bus controllers such as VESA or PCI if my
speculation is correct.

What is your disk subsystem configuration.





On Tue, 27 May 1997, David Miles wrote:

 I installed debian on my computer last week.   I left it sitting for the
 weekend.  When I returned, I found the following message updating every so
 often on my screen:  couldn't get a free page
 
 When I hit enter, I get the following statement Out of memory for bash a
 few seconds later Out of memory for init appeared
 
 I am not sure what is going on.  I have 6MB of Ram and at least 16 MB of
 swapping space on my HD for the program.
 
 Please help
 
 dblm
 
 
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Re: couldn't get a free page

1997-05-28 Thread Brandon Mitchell
Kernel 2.0.30 changed the way it handles memory.  It's supposed to be a
stable kernel (by this I'm saying it's a 2.0.x and not a 2.1.x), but
problems like this make me think it shouldn't be used in 1.3.  Could you
try downgrading to 2.0.29 and let me (or the whole list) know if it works?

Thanks for reporting your problem and good luck,
Brandon

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On Tue, 27 May 1997, David Miles wrote:

 I installed debian on my computer last week.   I left it sitting for the
 weekend.  When I returned, I found the following message updating every so
 often on my screen:  couldn't get a free page
 
 When I hit enter, I get the following statement Out of memory for bash a
 few seconds later Out of memory for init appeared
 
 I am not sure what is going on.  I have 6MB of Ram and at least 16 MB of
 swapping space on my HD for the program.
 
 Please help
 
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Re: nfs-booting with a null-modem cable ?

1997-05-28 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 If you're talking about the 486 booting from an nfs mounted root on
 your PPro machine, I think you may need an ethernet card with special
 boot ROMs.

Not nearly so difficult, he can use a floppy drive.
You can load the kernel from floppy and have it mount an NFS root.
SysLinux would be best for this.

On a Debian system:

Put a formatted floppy in the first floppy drive.
Unzip /usr/lib/syslinux/img1440.gz to the raw floppy, /dev/fd0.
Mount the floppy as an MSDOS filesystem, and copy the kernel
 on to it.
Edit SYSLINUX.CFG to add the NFS root parameters to the boot
 command line. See the file /usr/src/linux/Documentation/nfsroot.txt,
 you will have to install the kernel-source package if you have not
 done so.

That should work fine.

Thanks

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Re: powersave

1997-05-28 Thread Mark Plaksin
 MS == Markus Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MS I try to make use of the powersave-ability of my monitor. Typing
MS setterm -powersave on on a textconsole is working properly but how
MS can I set this at boottime for ALL textconsoles? I've put this command
MS into a little script in /etc/rc.boot/ however powersaving then works
MS only at tty0.

Here's what I use:

#!/bin/sh 
# Turn on power-saving on the VC's

test -f /usr/bin/setterm || exit 0

case $1 in
start)  echo -n Turning power-saving on for VC's.
for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6
  do
  setterm -powersave  /dev/tty$i
done 
echo . 
;;
stop)   echo -n Nothing to do to turn power-saving for VC's off.
;;
*)  echo Usage: /etc/init.d/powersave start|stop; exit 1 
;;
esac
exit 0

(I never want to turn this off so stop doesn't do anything useful.)

MS Under X I have not been successful at all. xset s power doesn't seam
MS to have any effect reagardless which argument I specify. From the xset
MS manpage I know: The 'power' flag allows the power saver parameters to
MS be set on servers which have the XFree86-Misc server extension.  So my
MS second question is how to get this server extension for Debian or how
MS else could I get powersaving working under X?

MS My monitor: Samsung SyncMaster 20GLsi, my videocard: Matrox Millenium
MS (2MB).

I put the following in the Device section of my XF86Config:

Option  power_saver

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Re: nfs-booting with a null-modem cable ?

1997-05-28 Thread Rob Browning
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) writes:

 Not nearly so difficult, he can use a floppy drive.  You can load
 the kernel from floppy and have it mount an NFS root.  SysLinux
 would be best for this.

I presume that this will only work if you're using NFS over something
like ethernet (not that nfs would be really tolerable over a 115K PPP
serial port connection anyway).

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Re: 486SX33 -- 486DX2-66

1997-05-28 Thread Brian N. Borg
Cyrix does in fact make (or used to) make a 5 volt 486dx2.  I have 
two of them, 66 and 80 mhz.  As a bonus, they have a bonded heat-
sink and do not require a fan.

The SX to DX upgrade will probably be as simple as plug it in 
and turn it on, only if the existing SX is a pin grid array 
package.  If the SX is surface mounted, or socketed but the 
same kind of PLCC chip that can be surface mounted, forget it.

--Brian Borg


JD Thomlinson wrote:
 
 Currently Intel is the only manufacturer selling 5v 486 chips.
 It *should* be a straight drop-in, no jumper changes required.
 
 A *very* old motherboard *could* have a problem supplying enough
 current for the doubled chip. But I haven't seen that happen yet,
 and I've upgraded a number of machines.
 
 There might be a problem with the motherboard going from SX to DX,
 depending on the chipset on the motherboard. But, again, unlikely.
 For the $40 these chips are going for it's worth trying.
 
 Cyrix and AMD make 486DX2s but they are 3 volt. This would require
 changing motherboard jumpers, if your motherboard supports 3v chips.
 
 Either way, if you're going to max out an old box you might want to
 do it reasonably soon; 486 pinout chips and 30 pin SIMMs will soon
 be history.
 
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Re: couldn't get a free page

1997-05-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe

On Tue, 27 May 1997, George Bonser wrote:

 I have seen the same problem with a small system (8MB) when attempting to
 mkfs a disk drive.  I wonder if it has anything to do with the disk
 controller baing busy when the system attempts to swap.  This is a BusTek
 ISA SCSI controller card that seems to want to load the BusLogic Driver.
 It is the only disk controller on the system and has three hard drives and
 a floppy attached. It probably would not happen with bus-mastering
 controllers or and local bus controllers such as VESA or PCI if my
 speculation is correct.
 
  I installed debian on my computer last week.   I left it sitting for the
  weekend.  When I returned, I found the following message updating every so
  often on my screen:  couldn't get a free page

If my following of one of the kernel threads is correct, this is a serious
kernel bug that occures when you either have a heavily loaded system or a
very low memory system. The trouble is that the kernel has allocated all
your memory to the disk cache (or other things) and desperately requires a
new empty page to continue functioning. It cannot free any in memory pages
for some reason (Dirty?)

I saw a post where someone mentioned that he could reproduce this by
compiling two kernels at once and doing some other operations.. Donno..
What you two are reporting might even be something completely different.

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PASCAL for Linux

1997-05-28 Thread Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro
Sorry for my previous request which apparently was sent to the wrong 
distribution list (many apologies to Pete Templin who kindly pointed it 
out to me).
I've been trying to download a PASCAL compiler for Linux and I've been 
unsuccesful.  Every site I've gone to either has the wrong link on their 
html or I am denied the FTP transfer. I am assuming that this is a 
problem with our WinNT server.  Anyone has ideas of where I could 
download this program?  I've tried linux.org with their software map 
engine which failed, and I also went on sunsite.

Thank you all for your patience and help.
Leandro+
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X screen saver and powerdown (trivial question)

1997-05-28 Thread Rob Browning

This is a trivial matter, but I was trying to figure out a way to have
the screen run xlock after a certain period of inactivity, then the
xset power saver if there was a longer period of inactivity.  It
looks like using xautolock and xlock -nolock with the enablesaver
option, I can get close to what I want, but I think with this approach
xlock would still be active after the monitor shuts off.  Is there
some other approach I'm overlooking?

It would be really nice if the built in X server's saver had a hook
(notification) script it would call when it entered various states:

  xset timeout-script ~/.bin/somescript

to which it passed the states it was leaving and entering as arguments
to the script.

Alternatively, it would be nice to be able to have something like
x-await-wake which would block until the x saver wakes up iff it's
asleep.

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Re: nfs-booting with a null-modem cable ?

1997-05-28 Thread Bruce Perens
Bruce:
 Not nearly so difficult, he can use a floppy drive.  You can load
 the kernel from floppy and have it mount an NFS root.  SysLinux
 would be best for this.

From: Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I presume that this will only work if you're using NFS over something
 like ethernet (not that nfs would be really tolerable over a 115K PPP
 serial port connection anyway).

Oops. Right - he wants to use PPP. Sorry, my answer _was_ specific to
Ethernet.

You'd need to use INITRD. That's a good deal harder, but do-able. You would
have to load a small root filesystem, start up PPPD, mount the new root
filesystem, and then exit the initrd. See
/usr/src/linux/Docuemntation/initrd.txt .

Thanks

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Re: PASCAL for Linux

1997-05-28 Thread Kendall P. Bullen
On Wed, 28 May 1997, Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro wrote:

 I've been trying to download a PASCAL compiler for Linux and I've been 
 unsuccesful.

Um, I'm assuming you're using Debian, since you're asking in
debian-user.  (grin) Did you try the p2c package, which is a
Pascal-to-C translator?  Not exactly a Pascal compiler, however it may
suit your needs.  You don't mention it, so just in case you don't know
about it, here's a pointer. . . .

G'luck,
Kendall


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Re: PASCAL for Linux

1997-05-28 Thread Paul Wade
On Wed, 28 May 1997, Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro wrote:

 Sorry for my previous request which apparently was sent to the wrong 
 distribution list (many apologies to Pete Templin who kindly pointed it 
 out to me).
 I've been trying to download a PASCAL compiler for Linux and I've been 
 unsuccesful.  Every site I've gone to either has the wrong link on their 
 html or I am denied the FTP transfer. I am assuming that this is a 
 problem with our WinNT server.  Anyone has ideas of where I could 
 download this program?  I've tried linux.org with their software map 
 engine which failed, and I also went on sunsite.
 
 Thank you all for your patience and help.

You want gpc and gpc-doc, about 1.5 mb total. If you can't get them by ftp
from ftp.debian.org or a mirror site, tell me what does actually work on a
WinNT server (http?) and I will see what I can do to help. I absolutely
hate pascal, but I'm compassionate :) 

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Re: Source code analyzer/debugger for X

1997-05-28 Thread Martin Brundage
On 27 May 1997 14:43:53 -0700, you wrote:

What kinds of free utils are available for analyzing and trying
to figure out source code?  Preferably with a GUI.

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I've had very good results with ddd and gdb, which should be sufficient
for user-space debugging.  For debugging driver code I have used this
combination with gdbstub (ftp://ftp.gcom.com/pub/linux/src/gdbstub/) and
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Re: kerneld

1997-05-28 Thread Brian N. Borg
I don't know that any low level drivers need to explicitly specified 
in /etc/modules.  My ethernet card, scsi hostadapter, filesystems, 
etc. all load and unload on demand, as long as the right aliases 
are set in /etc/conf.modules.

--Brian Borg


Dale Scheetz wrote:
 
 On Tue, 27 May 1997, Harmon Sequoya Nine wrote:
 
 
  To use all of your modules, do you need only to put auto in your
  /etc/modules file, or do you need to put all of the modules that you
  want loaded on demand as well?
 
 Not at all! If the comment is removed from auto then modules will be
 loaded when needed. Only low level drivers, like for scsi cards, need be
 specified here. If your machine had an Adaptec 1542 scsi interface card
 installed, the line aha1542 in the modules file would be enough to make
 it work.
 Another point to note: Modules specified explicitly (in addition to auto)
 will never be unloaded by kerneld even if they are never used. I used this
 feature to keep the serial module in memory so that its particular
 interupt settings would not be lost by kerneld unloading it.
 
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Re: 486SX33 -- 486DX2-66 why not -- 486DX4-100?

1997-05-28 Thread E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)
[About upgrading a 486SX-33 chip.]

I wonder, did the original poster consider a 486DX4-100?  If you are
going to spend some money, this would definitely be a more noticeable
change.  Intel has (used to have?) 5V 486DX4-100 chips that can without
modification be plugged in any old motherboard that can support a 5V
486DX-33.  You might have to change a jumper if your previous chip was
a 486SX-33.

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Re: couldn't get a free page

1997-05-28 Thread Joerg Delker
Brandon Mitchell wrote:
 
 Kernel 2.0.30 changed the way it handles memory.  It's supposed to be a
 stable kernel (by this I'm saying it's a 2.0.x and not a 2.1.x), but
 problems like this make me think it shouldn't be used in 1.3.  Could you
 try downgrading to 2.0.29 and let me (or the whole list) know if it works?

Same problem here with 2.0.29, 8MB RAM and plenty of swap.

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Re: rwhod

1997-05-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, May 27, 1997 at 03:55:49PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
 I just discovered rwhod, ruptime, rusers, etc, in the netstd package.
 
 Is there any reason why rwhod is not run in the /etc/init.d/netstd_misc
 script? (I see it's commented out.) Security concerns, etc?

Well, I enabled it and it kept my (diald-controlled) PPP link up
for about seven hours the next night. :-( diald appears to be configured
correctly to ignore rwhod traffic, too. I presume it was rwhod's
fault, because that's all I changed and it hasn't done it again since.


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vfat drives and users

1997-05-28 Thread Brian Skreeg

Hi folks,

I`ve recently installed *yet* another hardrive in a bid for more room.
The drive has been formatted as fat16 for use by Win95 as well. Now I`ve
decided to ask about a problem I`ve ignored until now. Both the new drive
and my present Win95 drive are mounted in fstab using vfat at mountpoints
/DOS and /AMIGA (don`t ask why , it`s too painful to talk about). Currently
only root can write to these drives. I`d like to make it so my usual
account oz can write to these as well. How?

Ozzy,
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Re: Routing Questions

1997-05-28 Thread Nils Rennebarth
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On Tue, 27 May 1997, Walter L. Preuninger II wrote:

Below is a simple drawing of my lan/wan setup.

I want to route traffic from Subnet 0 over to subnet 8, ie from .2 to .254
The micom rts card drops packets not destined for the remote slip
address(.29)
Does it really drop them? Sounds like it is simply impossible to explain
other routes to the box?

I really dont want to buy 
a RLB (Remote Lan Bridge) card for the micom feeder, as they cost $1K.



  ---
aix   |  .1 |
  ---
 |
  ---
linux |  .2 |
  ---
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  ---
sco   |  .3 |
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  --- 9600bps ------
micom |  .4 |=| Micom Feeder|| .29.254 | linux
  --- ------
 |   ^^
  ---   ? Should 224 - 254 numbers
linux | .30 .62 .94 |   ? be routed to here?
  ---   ? I assume yes,  Nils



Can this be done using ipfwadm or ip tunneling? 
I would use ip tunneling here. Warning, I never tried this.

On .2 and .29 load the ipip and tunnel modules.

on .2:
ifconfig tunl x.x.x.2 pointopoint x.x.x.29 netmask 255.255.255.224
route add -net x.x.x.224 netmask 255.255.255.224 dev tunl

on .29:

ifconfig tunl x.x.x.29 pointopoint x.x.x.2
route add default dev tunl

On the internet gateway of the subnet .2 resides on, you now need to 
set
  route add -net x.x.x.224 netmask 255.255.255.224 gw x.x.x.2

Please someone more knowledgeable than me correct me if I am wrong.

Nils

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keymapping, consolefont and mc

1997-05-28 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
Hi,

 I've got a problem regarding the localized keyboard mapping (german)
 and an appropriate console font.

 After I installed bash-2.0 and kbd-0.94 I couldn't access certain
 chars, so I needed to replace default.map by de-latin1.map or
 de-latin1-nodeadkeys.map. Then I used 'setfont iso01.f14' to load
 the font, which has the umlauts that I need.
 Unfortunately, this didn't work with 'mc'. All graphic chars were
 replaced by some other (unneeded) chars, so the output of mc is
 really messed up.

 Is there a possibility to get the correct localized keyboard mapping
 and the graphic chars for mc? It should be possible, because in DOS
 the famous (?) nc works without problems. Maybe I need to recompile
 a patched mc?

 One other question: Where should I place 'setfont' in the startup
 files? I didn't find a pointer or placeholder.

Thank you,


  Ulf

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Re: nfs-booting with a null-modem cable ?

1997-05-28 Thread Nils Rennebarth
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On Tue, 27 May 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
Oops. Right - he wants to use PPP. Sorry, my answer _was_ specific to
Ethernet.

You'd need to use INITRD. That's a good deal harder, but do-able. You would
have to load a small root filesystem, start up PPPD, mount the new root
filesystem, and then exit the initrd. See
/usr/src/linux/Docuemntation/initrd.txt .
Sven Rudolph did an awful good job on the Boot/Root/Rescue Disks.

Starting from the Debian Rescue disk the mentioned task should not take
much work. It is possible to make the ramdisk bigger so that a full libc
can be used, and a lot of stuff that is needed for installation only could
be thrown away to make room for pppd etc. Also a custom kernel with the
serial driver compiled in might save some bytes (with the side effect that
booting probably also will be faster because less devices are probed)

Nils

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Re: vfat drives and users

1997-05-28 Thread Fredrik Ax
On Tue, 27 May 1997, Brian Skreeg wrote:
 
 I`ve recently installed *yet* another hardrive in a bid for more room.
 The drive has been formatted as fat16 for use by Win95 as well. Now I`ve
 decided to ask about a problem I`ve ignored until now. Both the new drive
 and my present Win95 drive are mounted in fstab using vfat at mountpoints
 /DOS and /AMIGA (don`t ask why , it`s too painful to talk about). Currently
 only root can write to these drives. I`d like to make it so my usual
 account oz can write to these as well. How?
 

I have solved this by creating a group for each filesystem that don't
support access permissions. E.g I have a group fat with gid=23 for
fat disks. Then each user that should have write access to the disk
must be a member of that group. That you do be adding the line
fat::23:oz
to your /etc/group (see also manpage for adduser).

Then in your /etc/fstab you should use gid=23 and umask=002, this
means no matter who mounts the filesystem (probably root during boot)
all the files and dirs will have group 23 (fat). The umask option tells
the system to make no restrictions for owner and group (in which oz is
a member), that is all the files and dirs will get access permission
rwx for owner and group and rx for others.

The line in your /etc/fstab would look something like this:
/dev/hdxx /DOS   vfatdefaults,gid=23,umask=022,quiet 1  2

If you don't use the quiet option you will get an error message each
time you try to change the access permissions (done e.g. during moving
with mv)

Hopes this helps, it solved all my problems, and is a solution
that supports that some users have write permissions and others not.
(The ones that are members of fat have)

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Re: rwhod

1997-05-28 Thread joost witteveen
 Martin Schulze:
  I believe there are security concerns.  Via rwho protocol your machine
  distributes information on who is logged in.  So you are able to play
  big brother and generate personal profiles for instance.
[..]
 
 Since broadcast packets shouldn't leave your local network, I don't think
 that anyone in the outside world can listen in on the rwho messages, so I
 _think_ it's safe for use if you trust all the hosts on your subnet.

The only reason I have for not running rwho is that one morning,
back in the 1.1.57 days, when I got to the laboritory, my computer was
swiched of, all cables disconected, panic notices were distributed
around the room, and the sysadmin here were spreading panic messages
like fire. Turned out the computer department had a problem with
their system, and related it with my computer -- so the systemadmin
here went compleately crasy.

The only thing I could find in my syslogs before my computer was swiched
off, were a few rwho messages. That's why I'd be weary to start that
service up again, not because I'm on a 100 computer subnetwork: I don't
really care if others see who's logged on here.

(Yeah, I know you're not intereseted in this tragic story about
computer abuse by systemadmins, but I'm still traumatised, and just needed
to vent this).

BTW, the systemadmin that went out of his mind back then has left, so
maybe I can try starting rwho once more?  I'm sure it wasn't rwho
that was causing it, anyway.

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Re: Source code analyzer/debugger for X

1997-05-28 Thread Alex Yukhimets
 
 On 27 May 1997 14:43:53 -0700, you wrote:
 
 What kinds of free utils are available for analyzing and trying
 to figure out source code?  Preferably with a GUI.
 
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 I've had very good results with ddd and gdb, which should be sufficient
 for user-space debugging.  For debugging driver code I have used this
 combination with gdbstub (ftp://ftp.gcom.com/pub/linux/src/gdbstub/) and
 an old 486 as a remote debugger.
 
 Marty

By the way, where are ddd-dmotif and ddd-smotif packages? 
The package ddd (compiled with lesstif) leaves core dumps all over the
place itself.

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Re: rwhod

1997-05-28 Thread Martin Schulze
Hamish Moffatt writes:
 On Tue, May 27, 1997 at 03:55:49PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
  I just discovered rwhod, ruptime, rusers, etc, in the netstd package.
  
  Is there any reason why rwhod is not run in the /etc/init.d/netstd_misc
  script? (I see it's commented out.) Security concerns, etc?
 
 Well, I enabled it and it kept my (diald-controlled) PPP link up
 for about seven hours the next night. :-( diald appears to be configured
 correctly to ignore rwhod traffic, too. I presume it was rwhod's
 fault, because that's all I changed and it hasn't done it again since.

rwhod distributes it's information on _every_ interface which is
broadcastable.  This includes loopback and eth0, and also sl0 and I
suppose ppp0, too.  So if you run rwhod you should start it before
your link is up and before it notices that there are some more
broadcastable interfaces

Regards

Joey

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lilo

1997-05-28 Thread tomk
Just wanted to let all the helpers on the list that your past messages about
LILO helped me get it working in just a few passes. (DOS-Linux boot) Thanks!

- lilo.conf 
## Use MBR 
boot=/dev/hda
## Faster boot up .
compact
## Video display to default to 
vga=normal
## What to place in the MBR ...
install=/boot/boot.b
## Linux map to use ...
map=/boot/map
## No ramdisk please ..
ramdisk=0
## Offer a prompt for the user to select by ...
prompt
## Wait 10 seconds for user input .
timeout=100
## ordinary text message letting us know what to do
message=/boot/startup.message  
## At the end of timeout, who do we default to? ...
# default=DOS
default=Linux
## Linux info .
## Boot image to use ..
image=/vmlinuz
## Where to find the Linux image ..
## This must match your LINUX root partition!! 
root=/dev/hda3
## How to mount it 
read-only
## Label to use at the prompt for selection ...
label=Linux
## DOS info ...
## We have an alternative boot 
other=/dev/hda1
table=/dev/hda
label=DOS

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Re: kerneld

1997-05-28 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 28 May 1997, Brian N. Borg wrote:

 I don't know that any low level drivers need to explicitly specified 
 in /etc/modules.  My ethernet card, scsi hostadapter, filesystems, 
 etc. all load and unload on demand, as long as the right aliases 
 are set in /etc/conf.modules.
 
You are correct. /etc/conf.modules is the alternative location for such
configuration information. For the drivers that are specific to a hardware
controler either an entry in /etc/modules or an entry in /etc/conf.modules
is required to inform the system of the correct driver to install. The
advantage of /etc/conf.modules is that you can also specify parameters to
pass to the drivers in question, like irq settings and such.

Luck,

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Re: couldn't get a free page

1997-05-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
Does this by chance happen when updatedb is run from the cron script?  I
had this problem a while ago ... I had to add a 32 MB temporary swap
file to solve the problem.  Nowadays we run on a PPro with lots of RAM,
so I haven't seen these problems ... even the home machine has 32 MB.

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On Wed, 28 May 1997, Joerg Delker wrote:

:Brandon Mitchell wrote:
: 
: Kernel 2.0.30 changed the way it handles memory.  It's supposed to be a
: stable kernel (by this I'm saying it's a 2.0.x and not a 2.1.x), but
: problems like this make me think it shouldn't be used in 1.3.  Could you
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:Same problem here with 2.0.29, 8MB RAM and plenty of swap.
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Re: PASCAL for Linux

1997-05-28 Thread Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro
You want gpc and gpc-doc, about 1.5 mb total. If you can't get them by ftp
from ftp.debian.org or a mirror site, tell me what does actually work on a
WinNT server (http?) and I will see what I can do to help. I absolutely
hate pascal, but I'm compassionate :) 

Thank you for your quick and kind answer =)
I'll try again today FTPing them.  Even our mail server (NTMail) yesterday
was having rather unusual (yet common) problems.   We have several Dual
Pentium Pros with 128 megs of RAM and they can barely run the applications
we tell them to.  One P166 is running everything by itself and has lots of
processing time left. It is embarassing.  I want to convert myself from a
Win95 to a Linux user.
As for Pascal, I would like to learn some programming for myself, but I am
not ready to go into C or C++ yet.. so I'll start from little =)

Leandro+
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Re: couldn't get a free page

1997-05-28 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, 27 May 1997, Brandon Mitchell wrote:

 Kernel 2.0.30 changed the way it handles memory.  It's supposed to be a
 stable kernel (by this I'm saying it's a 2.0.x and not a 2.1.x), but
 problems like this make me think it shouldn't be used in 1.3.  Could you
 try downgrading to 2.0.29 and let me (or the whole list) know if it
 works? 

This isn't the same situation, but...

I've got an spare machine here, where I've been installing and
reinstalling Debian 1.3, using the lastest available disks. Every time I
make the file system, I get a couldn't get a free page message. Just
once, when 25% of the partition has been formatted (currently it's a 400
MB partition). Everything seems to work, and I have no problems after
that, but it's kind of annoying. I didn't think it was something
important, but then again... 

Cheers,


Marcelo Magallon


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mgetty ppp

1997-05-28 Thread A.D.Y. Cheng
Hello all,

I have a problem with mgetty. I have put an entry in /etc/inittab to start
mgetty. However, when I start the ppp process, it complains that kernel
lacks PPP support which is wrong. I look at the log messages and it saids
the device is busy.
However, if I start mgetty by hand, I can start ppp without any problems.
Can someone help me on this, please?

Anthony 


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Re: keymapping, consolefont and mc

1997-05-28 Thread Markus Schneider
Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote:

  I've got a problem regarding the localized keyboard mapping
 (german)
  and an appropriate console font.

  After I installed bash-2.0 and kbd-0.94 I couldn't access certain
  chars, so I needed to replace default.map by de-latin1.map or
  de-latin1-nodeadkeys.map. Then I used 'setfont iso01.f14' to load
  the font, which has the umlauts that I need.
  Unfortunately, this didn't work with 'mc'. All graphic chars were
  replaced by some other (unneeded) chars, so the output of mc is
  really messed up.

  Is there a possibility to get the correct localized keyboard
 mapping
  and the graphic chars for mc? It should be possible, because in DOS

  the famous (?) nc works without problems. Maybe I need to recompile

  a patched mc?

I am also using bash-2.0, kbd-0.94 and de-latin1.map. I didn't set a
special font. The only thing I had to do for mc to display german
umlauts was to selecet Full 8 bits in the options menu under Display
bits If this doesn't do what You want perhaphs selecting ISO
8859-1 under the same menu will be.

Hope this is useful,

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Re: couldn't get a free page

1997-05-28 Thread Leslie Mikesell
  Kernel 2.0.30 changed the way it handles memory.  It's supposed to be a
  stable kernel (by this I'm saying it's a 2.0.x and not a 2.1.x), but
  problems like this make me think it shouldn't be used in 1.3.  Could you
  try downgrading to 2.0.29 and let me (or the whole list) know if it
  works? 
 
 This isn't the same situation, but...
 
 I've got an spare machine here, where I've been installing and
 reinstalling Debian 1.3, using the lastest available disks. Every time I
 make the file system, I get a couldn't get a free page message. Just
 once, when 25% of the partition has been formatted (currently it's a 400
 MB partition). Everything seems to work, and I have no problems after
 that, but it's kind of annoying. I didn't think it was something
 important, but then again... 

I got this recently when running in single-user mode doing mke2fs on
a 9 gig drive, but I think my swap space wasn't activated.  Has the
install package activated swap at this point?

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Re: keymapping, consolefont and mc

1997-05-28 Thread Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler
Markus Schneider wrote:

 I am also using bash-2.0, kbd-0.94 and de-latin1.map. I didn't set a
 special font. The only thing I had to do for mc to display german
 umlauts was to selecet Full 8 bits in the options menu under Display
 bits If this doesn't do what You want perhaphs selecting ISO
 8859-1 under the same menu will be.

Thank you for this tip. This may solve my problems with mc. I'll try this
asap. But are you able to type umlauts at the console's command prompt?

  Ulf

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Re: couldn't get a free page

1997-05-28 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Wed, 28 May 1997, Leslie Mikesell wrote:

 I got this recently when running in single-user mode doing mke2fs on
 a 9 gig drive, but I think my swap space wasn't activated.  Has the
 install package activated swap at this point?

Yes, basically this occurs following the prompts when installing Debian.
I mean, I configured the keyboard, I activated the swap partition, and
then I make the file system.

I pressed send a bit too soon last time, sorry. The machine is a P120, 8
MB RAM, 32 MB swap, 400 MB ext2 partition, the rest (about 1 GB) is FAT.
The controller is IDE, and it's integrated onto the motherboard. It's PCI,
and at boot up, the system says it's using PIO Mode 4. What else am I
forgetting now... :-) 

I hope this is useful,


Marcelo


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Re: rwhod

1997-05-28 Thread Joey Hess
Martin Schulze:
 rwhod distributes it's information on _every_ interface which is
 broadcastable.  This includes loopback and eth0, and also sl0 and I
 suppose ppp0, too.  So if you run rwhod you should start it before
 your link is up and before it notices that there are some more
 broadcastable interfaces

Oh. That changes everything. I do _not_ want rwhod sending info to my isp
over my ppp link, which is up all the time anyway. Darn.

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How to configure dhcpcd -- not yet solved

1997-05-28 Thread Harmon Sequoya Nine

Thanks very much for the information on this problem I'm having.  Trying now
to root around and see what's wrong (can't get dhcpcd to use my ethernet card).

I notice on boot that the following messages come up:
daemon.log.0:May 25 04:06:41 tao modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-4
daemon.log.0:May 25 04:06:43 tao modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-5

Does anyone know what package net-pf-4 and net-pf-5 are contained in?
or what this error is caused by?

If I this net-pf problem and it doesn't solve the problem, I'm going to 
borrow a card
from a friend (an NE2000) to see if I can get dhcpcd to work with it.  My 
current card
is an eepro100, for which I have an alpha-release driver...

TIA

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Re: EMACS screen weirdness

1997-05-28 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
Kendall P. Bullen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curiously, rebooting (which I did for other reasons ;) appears to have
fixed the problem with EMACS displaying things incorrectly (though it
always appeared to know where things really were ;).  At least, one of
the more reproducible weirdnesses hasn't come back to haunt me, and I
haven't noticed any of the other strange stuff happening, so hopefully
it's gone for good.  It makes me nervous, though -- I wish I knew why
it'd started in the first place.

This sounds like a problem I've had occasionally, usually after
accidentally sending binary data direct to a tty.  I think you probably
had your tab-settings wrong.  I'm not sure if 'reset' fixes this on the
Linux console.  (In fact, I'm usually on an xterm, so I just close it
and open a new one if this happens...)

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Re: mgetty ppp

1997-05-28 Thread Kevin Traas
 I have a problem with mgetty. I have put an entry in /etc/inittab to
start
 mgetty. However, when I start the ppp process, it complains that kernel
 lacks PPP support which is wrong. I look at the log messages and it saids
 the device is busy.
 However, if I start mgetty by hand, I can start ppp without any problems.

I'm not sure what you are doing here.  Are you trying to enable incoming
PPP connections using mgetty?  Are you trying to enable mgetty for incoming
connections and then use PPP for outgoing to ISP?  (i.e. use same port for
incoming and outgoing comms.)

How were you starting mgetty by hand?  Same for ppp.

Later,

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Systems Analyst
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Re: keymapping, consolefont and mc

1997-05-28 Thread Markus Schneider
Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler wrote:

 Markus Schneider wrote:

  I am also using bash-2.0, kbd-0.94 and de-latin1.map. I didn't set
 a
  special font. The only thing I had to do for mc to display
 german
  umlauts was to selecet Full 8 bits in the options menu under
 Display
  bits If this doesn't do what You want perhaphs selecting
 ISO
  8859-1 under the same menu will be.

 Thank you for this tip. This may solve my problems with mc. I'll try
 this
 asap. But are you able to type umlauts at the console's command
 prompt?

try putting the following into your ~/.inputrc file (this file is read
when bash is started)

   set meta-flag on
   set convert-meta off
   set output-meta on

moreover I find it useful to have

\e[1~: beginning-of-line
#\e[2~: (einfg-Taste)
\e[3~: delete-char
\e[4~: end-of-line
#\e[5~: (bild-up-Taste)
#\e[6~: (bild-down-Taste)
\e[A: previous-history
\e[B: next-history
\e[D: backward-char
\e[C: forward-char
\: self-insert

in the .inputrc file. Then for example You can use the Pos1 and Ende
keys on a german keyboard to go to the beginning/end of the line you are
editing.

In order to make use of this in an xterm put in $(HOME)/.Xresources

   *VT100.Translations: #override KeyBackSpace: string(0x7F)\n\
  KeyDelete:string(0x1b) string([3~)\n\
  KeyHome:  string(0x1b) string([1~)\n\
  KeyEnd:   string(0x1b) string([4~)\n\
  CtrlKeyPrior: string(0x1b) string([40~)\n\
  CtrlKeyNext:  string(0x1b) string([41~)

Look at
/usr/doc/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.gz
and
/usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/Key-Setup.gz

In general /usr/doc/HOWTO/German-HOWTO.gz is useful for dealing with
german umlauts.

Markus.


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Re: Source code analyzer/debugger for X

1997-05-28 Thread J.H.M.Dassen
On May 28, Alex Yukhimets wrote
 By the way, where are ddd-dmotif and ddd-smotif packages? 

They are no more; they were quite out of date (1.4). I don't have motif, and
thus cannot build them.

 The package ddd (compiled with lesstif) leaves core dumps all over the
 place itself.

That should change with 2.1-3 (uploaded today), which includes
lesstif-specific patches by one of DDD's authors.

Also, it is in general advisable to _report_ problems with packages through
the bugtracking system, rather than complain about them on debian-user.

Greetings,
Ray - DDD package maintainer
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Tin the accents

1997-05-28 Thread Etienne Bernard
Is there a way to have the ISO-8859-1 charset with tin ?
I use tin 97.04.24-3, and before, I was able to have them with a simple

  export LANG=fr_FR

I don't have the accents and the other ISO-8859-1 characters anymore.

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Had to reset, now in deep kimshee....

1997-05-28 Thread Curt Howland

Hi. 

This morning, while poking around, I executed the comand on 
the console of X, seeing if Xwindows would start up without
having read much of the docs...  :^

In order to get my console back, since I didn't think of logging
in accross the network and killing the process, mea maxima culpa,
was to power off the machine.

The modules now do not load. modconf sees that the modules are
selected, but cannot remove them, Module Not Found.

/usr/ is loaded into the second partition on my hard disk. The
fsck for the second partition is occurring after all the module
failures, so it seems perhapps that the book sequence has gotten
messed up somehow, if the modules are loaded from /usr

If I go back to the rescue floppy, how much damage can I do to
the software already loaded? All I intend to do is to select and
load modules

Is there a fix that I am not aware of? Some way to reorder the
fsck of /hda2 to occur before the module loads are tried?

ObNice: The software distribution via FTP with load and config,
etc, is WONDERFUL! Thanks to Deb  Ian!

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Re: Had to reset, now in deep kimshee....]

1997-05-28 Thread joost witteveen
 /usr/ is loaded into the second partition on my hard disk. The
 fsck for the second partition is occurring after all the module
 failures, so it seems perhapps that the book sequence has gotten
 messed up somehow, if the modules are loaded from /usr

No, in /etc/init.d/boot I read that modules are supposed to be loaded
before the fsck. This is probably because some of the filesystems may
need those modules.

However, the modules aren't supposed to be loaded from /usr: they
are supposed to live in /lib/modules, and the insmod executable
is in /sbin, so there _should_ be no problem. Did you messabout
with your system?

 If I go back to the rescue floppy, how much damage can I do to
 the software already loaded? All I intend to do is to select and
 load modules

Well, you _can_ do a lot of damage, but if you're carefull
and don't do things like rm -rf /, then you probably will not
do too much damage. (But _DO_ unmount all filesystems before
the next reboot -- or if this fails atleast type sync).

 Is there a fix that I am not aware of? Some way to reorder the
 fsck of /hda2 to occur before the module loads are tried?

See above -- should not be needed.

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Debian install on multiple machines

1997-05-28 Thread John Goerzen
Hello,

What is the easiest way to install an identical set of packages on multiple
machines?  That is, at install time, I want it to select the same packages
to install, rather than manually having to select packages on each machine.

Thanks,
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TCP/IP Routing with Class B

1997-05-28 Thread John Roesch

I've got a new project and I need a refresher on TCP/IP to get it done.   
 Can anybody help me with where I might find answers/documentation/sample   
solutions, etc. on the following:

I have a company that wants to move to TCP/IP only.  They need to connect   
to 3 locations and the Internet (4 routers).  The Internet link has a   
firewall with Network Address Translation so we can use any addressing we   
want internally.

We'd like to use a private class B address like 172.16.x.x internally for   
the entire operation, but working with Class B's makes me go fuzzy on my   
TCP/IP fundamentals.

Networks in each location would be 172.16.1.0,  172.16.2.0, 172.16.3.0,   
and the Internet.  My questions are:

 - What subnet mask(s) do we apply to the networks to get the routing to   
work?

 - With 4 routes to different subnets and the Internet, what routing   
entries do we need to enter in the routers and the workstations?  Does a   
routing protocol come into the picture?

Any information to start me down the right path is appreciated.

John Roesch
IS Manager
Sensormatic Video Products Division
San Diego, CA  USA



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sendmail 8.8.5 and mailertable

1997-05-28 Thread Remco van de Meent
Hey

We (Hakan Ardo, [EMAIL PROTECTED],  and myself) just tried to setup a
machine in Sweden, which should forward EVERY single mail from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the Netherlands).

a.domain.org is a machine in Sweden.
b.domain.org is the same machine in Sweden. Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] should
NOT be forwarded to c.otherdomain.org.

So, we created a new sendmail.mc file, with FEATURE(mailertable)dnl
included, and rebuild sendmail.cf. b.domain.org isn't in the Cw list of the
machine in Sweden.
We created a hashtable using makemap (mailertable.db), with just one entry:

a.domain.orgsmtp:c.otherdomain.org


But somewho, when you send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the mail bounces when
'user' doesn't exist on that machine. It is not forwarded.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Remco and Hakan.



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Re: TCP/IP Routing with Class B

1997-05-28 Thread Thomas Baetzler
John Roesch wrote:
:I have a company that wants to move to TCP/IP only.  They need to connect   
:to 3 locations and the Internet (4 routers).  The Internet link has a   
:firewall with Network Address Translation so we can use any addressing we   
:want internally.
:
:Networks in each location would be 172.16.1.0,  172.16.2.0, 172.16.3.0,   
:and the Internet.  My questions are:
:
: - What subnet mask(s) do we apply to the networks to get the routing to   
:work?

Well, you want to extend the network part of the IP address to cover
three octets leaving 253 addresses (excluding 0 and 255) in each
network - that'll give you a MASK 255.255.255.0

: - With 4 routes to different subnets and the Internet, what routing   
:entries do we need to enter in the routers and the workstations?  Does a   
:routing protocol come into the picture?

Static routes will do just fine, I'd say.

You don't specify how the lans are connected to each other, but since
you say you end up with 4 routers, I suspect that you want to do it
like this:

  Internet/ISP
 ^
 |
 V
LAN A-- Company LAN -- LAN B
(172.16.1.0) ^ (172.16.2.0)
 |
 V
   LAN C
   (172.16.3.0)

In the LANs A, B, C you just need to set the default route to the respective
router of the LAN - it'll take care of the rest. 

In the Company LAN, each Workstation and Router has to have static routes
to LAN A, B, C via the respective Router. If you don't care about traffic,
you don't even need the LAN routes on the Workstation as long as the default
router knows where to send packets destined for the separate LANs.

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Re: Had to reset, now in deep kimshee....]

1997-05-28 Thread Curt Howland

However, the modules aren't supposed to be loaded from /usr: they are supposed 
to
live in /lib/modules, and the insmod executable is in /sbin, so there _should_ 
be
no problem. Did you messabout with your system?

Nope. I didn't touch the modules, path, boot files
or records. Just hit the reset switch. Something got
scrambled, it seems.

Warning to anyone with write-back cache on their
hard disk: DO NOT HIT THE RESET SWITCH IN A MULTI-
TASKING ENVIRONMENT!

I was suprised that running X, with no window 
manager, hung the Alt-F1, Alt-F2... console login
switch as well, since that was the first thing I 
tried in order to log in and kill the process.

 If I go back to the rescue floppy, how much damage can I do to
 the software already loaded? All I intend to do is to select and
 load modules

Well, you _can_ do a lot of damage, but if you're carefull and don't do things
like rm -rf /, then you probably will not do too much damage. (But _DO_ 
unmount
all filesystems before the next reboot -- or if this fails atleast type 
sync). 

I will print this message out and take it home with
me. Unfortunately, the machine is not local, nor 
can I log into it, what with the network module 
non existant.

 Is there a fix that I am not aware of? Some way to reorder the
 fsck of /hda2 to occur before the module loads are tried?

See above -- should not be needed.

I will not try that then. Many thanks!

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Re: Had to reset, now in deep kimshee....]

1997-05-28 Thread joost witteveen
 
 However, the modules aren't supposed to be loaded from /usr: they are 
 supposed to
 live in /lib/modules, and the insmod executable is in /sbin, so there 
 _should_ be
 no problem. Did you messabout with your system?
 
 Nope. I didn't touch the modules, path, boot files
 or records. 

Then your modules got loaded properly, or they were bad before too.
No /usr stuff is needed for the loading of the modules, as you suggest
above.

 I was suprised that running X, with no window 
 manager, hung the Alt-F1, Alt-F2... console login
 switch as well, since that was the first thing I 
 tried in order to log in and kill the process.

Under X, you need to type Control_Alt_F1 etc.


bascially, there are several ways to proceed. 
If you boot via LILO, then the best thing to do is to type at the
lilo prompt:

  linux emergency

(replacing linux for your kernel image, press TAB).
Then none of the startup scripts are executed, and you can try to go
through the bootup manually, and checking what went wrong.



If the above doesn't work (your' not using lilo, for example), just
boot from a floppy, and try to mount your root filesystem on /mnt,
cd to it and examine what may have gone wrong, possibly correcting
it.


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Re: Had to reset, now in deep kimshee....]

1997-05-28 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, 28 May 1997, Curt Howland wrote:

:
:However, the modules aren't supposed to be loaded from /usr: they are 
supposed to
:live in /lib/modules, and the insmod executable is in /sbin, so there 
_should_ be
:no problem. Did you messabout with your system?
:
:Nope. I didn't touch the modules, path, boot files
:or records. Just hit the reset switch. Something got
:scrambled, it seems.
:
:Warning to anyone with write-back cache on their
:hard disk: DO NOT HIT THE RESET SWITCH IN A MULTI-
:TASKING ENVIRONMENT!
:
:I was suprised that running X, with no window 
:manager, hung the Alt-F1, Alt-F2... console login
:switch as well, since that was the first thing I 
:tried in order to log in and kill the process.

Did you try ctrl-alt-{f1,f2,...} ?  I believe that is how to get back to
a VC from within X.  Somebody slap me if I'm wrong.  Also,
ctrl-alt-bkspc is supposed to kill the X-server, though I've been told
you shouldn't do that.  Seems like it'd be less harmful than the power
switch.

:
: If I go back to the rescue floppy, how much damage can I do to
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where is xload

1997-05-28 Thread Jörg Delker
Hi!

I upgraded to (pre-)debian-1.3 and lost my xload!

Grepping Contents tells me that it should be contained in Package
xcontrib, but there is no xload in the xcontrib-package.

Where is it gone?

Maybe any alternatives?

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again dump errors

1997-05-28 Thread Jörg Delker
Hi!

Is there there a problem with dump again?

I get this dump errors:

  DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Wed May 28 18:42:02 1997
  DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
  DUMP: Dumping /dev/hdb1 (/var) to wofaserv.var.dump
  DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
  DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
  DUMP: estimated 1034706 tape blocks on 0.52 tape(s).
  DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories]
  DUMP: read error from /dev/hdb1: Bad address: [block 8515]:
count=8729600
  DUMP: SIGSEGV: ABORTING!
  DUMP: SIGSEGV: ABORTING!
Segmentation fault
  DUMP: SIGSEGV: ABORTING!
  DUMP: SIGSEGV: ABORTING!
  DUMP: SIGSEGV: ABORTING!

I've checked the ext2-partition /dev/hdb1 mit e2fsck -f -c /dev/hdb1
without any errors.
Other partitions can be dumped without errors.

Can somebody help?


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Internal ISDN TA ??

1997-05-28 Thread Kevin Traas

I've been analyzing options for ISDN on my Debian GNU/Linux box and have
found the following:

1.  Many external TA's emulate standard analog modems (i.e. AT command set)
and connect via serial port.
2.  To maximize performance I must run the serial port at 460K - i.e. not
even 16550A's will work right?  (I want to be able to run MP - both
channels.)
3.  The easiest way to get Linux support is to get a TA that operates via
the AT command set.

To get around this problem of having to install a high-speed serial board
(Hayes ESP, etc.), I'd like to install an internal ISDN TA such as the USR
Sportster ISDN or Motorola Bitsurfer Pro Internal.

My questions are:

Do you know of any internal ISDN TA's that operate via the AT command set? 
Do either of the two internal examples above work this way?

TIA for your help,

Kevin Traas
Systems Analyst
Edmondson Roper CA
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Re: where is xload

1997-05-28 Thread joost witteveen
[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
 Hi!
 
 I upgraded to (pre-)debian-1.3 and lost my xload!
 
 Grepping Contents tells me that it should be contained in Package
 xcontrib, but there is no xload in the xcontrib-package.
 
 Where is it gone?


$ dpkg -S xload
[..]
xproc: /usr/X11R6/bin/xload
[..]

It was moved away from xcontrib to xproc. 


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Re: where is xload

1997-05-28 Thread Heikki Vatiainen
Hi,

It looks like xload has moved from xcontrib to xproc. When I did 'dpkg 
--search xload' this happened:

% dpkg --search xload
xloadimage: /usr/X11R6/bin/xloadimage
diversion by xproc from: /usr/X11R6/bin/xload
diversion by xproc to: /usr/X11R6/bin/xload.xcontrib
xloadimage: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/xloadimage.1x
diversion by xproc from: /usr/X11R6/bin/xload
diversion by xproc to: /usr/X11R6/bin/xload.xcontrib
xproc: /usr/X11R6/bin/xload
xproc: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/xload.1x.gz
xloadimage: /usr/doc/copyright/xloadimage

Hope this helps,

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Re: Internal ISDN TA ??

1997-05-28 Thread Rick Macdonald
Kevin Traas wrote:
 
 I've been analyzing options for ISDN on my Debian GNU/Linux box and have
 found the following:

Another option which probably costs more (but I got for free :-) is to
have
an external router/bridge ISDN box, such as the Ascend Pipeline series.
Then
you just connect from an ethernet card and your Linux box knows or cares
nothing about ISDN.

This may or may not give you the features that you want.

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Re: Debian install on multiple machines

1997-05-28 Thread Martin Schulze
On May 28, John Goerzen wrote
 Hello,
 
 What is the easiest way to install an identical set of packages on multiple
 machines?  That is, at install time, I want it to select the same packages
 to install, rather than manually having to select packages on each machine.

I believe the easiest way is to modify dpkg's database via --set-selections
and generate a new set of bootdisks.  At least this is a point on which
I plan to spent some time in the near future.

Regards... Joey

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Re: Internal ISDN TA ??

1997-05-28 Thread Kevin Traas
  I've been analyzing options for ISDN on my Debian GNU/Linux box and
  have found the following:
 
 Another option which probably costs more (but I got for free :-) is to 
 have an external router/bridge ISDN box, such as the Ascend Pipeline 
 series. Then you just connect from an ethernet card and your Linux box 
 knows or cares nothing about ISDN.

Free?!  That's a good price!  

Unfortunately, in the solution I'm trying to put together, this won't
do  I need the ISDN card on the Linux box.

Thanks for the reply.

Later,

Kevin Traas
Systems Analyst
Edmondson Roper CA
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Re: NEED info concerning US Robotics modem

1997-05-28 Thread Nelson Posse Lago

On Tue, 13 May 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

 On Mon, May 12, 1997 at 01:27:32PM -0300, Nelson Posse Lago wrote:
  The Sportster Si (I think only 14400 versions exist) is a RPI model, and
  therefore doesn't work under linux as well.
 
 I doubt USR would be making RPI (Rockwell Protocol Interface) modems.
 Probably it is a form of WinModem. Same effect though.

Sorry for the delay, I've been away from my mail these days...

I'm pretty sure about it, the Sportster Si 14400 is RPI. I think it's the
only RPI modem they make, their other crap models are Winmodems. It came
out before they invented the winmodem, when they needed some low-end
model to compete with the glue'n'go manufacturers that were selling a
lot of RPI modems, thanks to lack of customer information. The price
difference from a Sportster to a Zoltrix was somewhat big (at least here
in Brazil), and people had a hard time to follow my advice of not buying
the RPI's... Thank god, RPI seems to be forgotten nowadays, only the
winmodem is still here.

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Re: Internal ISDN TA ??

1997-05-28 Thread stick
I've not yet worked with one - though I plan on it RSN - but how about
one of the PCMCIA ISDN Cards?  There are a couple of companies that
offer ISA adapters: one company has three products 1) ISA card that supports
1 PC Card accessible from the rear of the computer,  2) ISA card that
supports 2 PC Cards accessible from the rear, and 3) ISA card that
supports 2 PC Cards - 1 accessible from the rear and 1 accessible from
a device that mounts in a drive bay.

Of course, you'd need to double check that Linux supports it via the
Hardware-HOWTO...but it's an idea.

 
   I've been analyzing options for ISDN on my Debian GNU/Linux box and
   have found the following:
  
  Another option which probably costs more (but I got for free :-) is to 
  have an external router/bridge ISDN box, such as the Ascend Pipeline 
  series. Then you just connect from an ethernet card and your Linux box 
  knows or cares nothing about ISDN.
 
 Free?!  That's a good price!  
 
 Unfortunately, in the solution I'm trying to put together, this won't
 do  I need the ISDN card on the Linux box.
 
 Thanks for the reply.
 
 Later,
 
 Kevin Traas
 Systems Analyst
 Edmondson Roper CA
 http://www.eroper.bc.ca
 
 
Chuck

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Re: where is xload

1997-05-28 Thread Jim Pick

 Hi!
 
 I upgraded to (pre-)debian-1.3 and lost my xload!
 
 Grepping Contents tells me that it should be contained in Package
 xcontrib, but there is no xload in the xcontrib-package.

It's in a new package xproc.

This is explained in the description for the xcontrib package.

But don't feel bad, I didn't read it either...  :-)

Cheers,

 - Jim



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joke of the day (fwd)

1997-05-28 Thread Dale Scheetz
The following joke struck me as funny even though I knew the answer before
I got to the punch line. While trying to figure out who to send it to, it
came to me that this is something to keep in mind when answering quetions
on this list. Think about it next time you have the answer.

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:53:28 -0400
From: xx
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: joke of the day

A helicopter was flying above Seattle when an electrical malfunction
disabled all of the aircraft's electronic navigation and
communications equipment.  Due to the clouds and haze, the pilot could
not determine the helicopter's position and course to steer to the
airport. The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, drew
a handwritten sign, and held it in the helicopter's window.  The
pilot's sign said, WHERE AM I? in large letters. People in the tall
building quickly responded to the aircraft, drew a large sign, and
held it in a building window.  Their sign said, YOU ARE IN A
HELICOPTER. The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map, determined
the course to steer to SEATAC airport, and landed safely. After they
were on the ground, the copilot asked the pilot how the YOU ARE IN A
HELICOPTER sign helped determine their position. The pilot responded,
I knew that had to be the MICROSOFT building  because they gave me a
technically correct, but completely useless answer.


Luck,

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ftape problems

1997-05-28 Thread Igor Grobman
I recently got myself a Seagate Tapestor3200 TR3/QIC 3020 tape drive.  It works
fine under DOS, however when I try to backup anything in Linux, I get the
following errors:

May 28 19:43:36 whoever kernel: [047]ftape-write.c (ftape_write_segment) -
write error, retry 1 (399).
May 28 19:43:46 whoever kernel: [048]ftape-write.c (ftape_write_segment) -
write error, retry 1 (415).
May 28 19:44:42 whoever kernel: [049]ftape-write.c (ftape_write_segment) -
write error, retry 1 (615).

I get tons of messages like this in my /var/adm/messages, and I hear the tape
start and stop moving all the time, instead of moving continuously as it does
under DOS.  I tried using it with both zftape and ftape devices, but I still
get the same errors.  I am using ftape-3.03 from sunsite.  Is this a known
ftape-driver bug? HOWTO seems to imply that all drives conforming to QIC TR*
standards should work, and AFAIK, my model is pretty standard.

Thanks in advance for the help.

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Re: EMACS screen weirdness

1997-05-28 Thread Andy Mortimer
On May 28, Kendall P. Bullen wrote
 On Mon, 26 May 1997, Andy Mortimer wrote:
 
  This is probably not the case, but I thought I'd mention it; you aren't
  by any chance using XEmacs rather than FSF Emacs, are you? ISTR getting
  this problem with 19.14; although it has been fixed in 19.15 (in Hamm),
  this version has it's own problems.
 
 Hmm, `man emacs' tells me it is the GNU project Emacs and was
 written by Richard Stallman and FSF.  I'm not sure if this is quite
 what you're asking, but I'm not sure how else to answer your question.
 /usr/doc has no directory for emacs.  The man page is incorrect -- it
 refers to /user/local/ directories, such as /usr/local/share/emacs/ .

That's the original emacs, then. Xemacs (formerly Lucid Emacs) is a
spinoff from FSF emacs, which is mostly compatible but has some (IMHO)
rather nice features, such as highlighting on the console, which is the
major user-visible change. That and the fact that it seems significantly
slower, of course. :(

You can tell them apart in lots of ways; it sounds like yours is the
original emacs. The easiest way, though, is whether you type `emacs' or
`xemacs' to start it! They also have different Debian package names
(compare `dpkg -s emacs' with `dpkg -s xemacs'.)

E

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3com driver (v0.40 in 2.0.30)

1997-05-28 Thread Mario Olimpio de Menezes

Hello ALL,

As Debian-1.3 is comming soon, I would like to know if there
is some problem with the 3com (vortex 3c59x) driver in debian?
I have seen a lot of problems been reported in linux-vortex
list and I'm afraid of upgrading my kernel to 2.0.30 as 1.3 is released.
Will v0.40 be released with 1.3? Could I use my old version
if sthg goes wrong? Some ideas/experiences?

thanks

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DNS/IP-Masq combination

1997-05-28 Thread Mario Olimpio de Menezes

Hi,

I have set a debian machine as a IP-Masq for 2 subnets:

subnet 1 (most win3.x/95 mach)  
   |
Gateway-IP-MASQ
nameserver |
subnet 2-(win3.x/95 and Linux(my))

I would like to know:
1. should I set the IP-MASQ machine as nameserver for my 2
subnets?
2. should I put 3 entries in hosts file (one for real IP, one for
subnet1 and other for subnet2)? 
3. I'm using SSL, and when I try to connect from my Linux machine
(reserved IP) to the IP-MASQ server, the connect takes a endless time to
be established (30sec). What should I verify to correct this?

thanks, 

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Re: ftape problems

1997-05-28 Thread Christian Meder
On May 28, Igor Grobman wrote
 I recently got myself a Seagate Tapestor3200 TR3/QIC 3020 tape drive.  It 
 works
 fine under DOS, however when I try to backup anything in Linux, I get the
 following errors:
 
 May 28 19:43:36 whoever kernel: [047]ftape-write.c (ftape_write_segment) -
 write error, retry 1 (399).
 May 28 19:43:46 whoever kernel: [048]ftape-write.c (ftape_write_segment) -
 write error, retry 1 (415).
 May 28 19:44:42 whoever kernel: [049]ftape-write.c (ftape_write_segment) -
 write error, retry 1 (615).
 
 I get tons of messages like this in my /var/adm/messages, and I hear the tape
 start and stop moving all the time, instead of moving continuously as it does
 under DOS.  I tried using it with both zftape and ftape devices, but I still
 get the same errors.  I am using ftape-3.03 from sunsite.  Is this a known
 ftape-driver bug? HOWTO seems to imply that all drives conforming to QIC TR*
 standards should work, and AFAIK, my model is pretty standard.
 
 Thanks in advance for the help.

Hi,

I uploaded a ftape-2.0.30_3.03 debian package to unstable on master a
couple of weeks ago. So if you are running 2.0.30 you don't have to
compile yourself ;-)

In 1 or 2 days I will upload the bugfix 3.03a ftape for
2.0.30. Perhaps you should try the bugfix release.

I can't really comment on your specific problem as ftape is working
fine for my Iomega Ditto 800. I think the messages indicate that there
were write errors on different segments of your tape but the retries
succeded. You could try to format your tape with the new ftape-3.03
but it takes approx. 4 hours. 

Otherwise send me an email with the messages and we can try to figure
it out (I can forward it to dev.linux.tape)

Greetings,

Christian  

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Re: mgetty ppp

1997-05-28 Thread A.D.Y. Cheng


On Wed, 28 May 1997, Kevin Traas wrote:

  I have a problem with mgetty. I have put an entry in /etc/inittab to
 start
  mgetty. However, when I start the ppp process, it complains that kernel
  lacks PPP support which is wrong. I look at the log messages and it saids
  the device is busy.
  However, if I start mgetty by hand, I can start ppp without any problems.
 
 I'm not sure what you are doing here.  Are you trying to enable incoming
 PPP connections using mgetty?  Are you trying to enable mgetty for incoming
 connections and then use PPP for outgoing to ISP?  (i.e. use same port for
 incoming and outgoing comms.)
 
 How were you starting mgetty by hand?  Same for ppp.
 
What I am saying is that after I start mgetty for /dev/ttyS1, I cannot
access /dev/ttyS1 (like dailing to my isp using chat) anymore which is not
what the manual of mgetty suggests. 

Anthony



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